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Session #2: Introduction to Balance + Replay Analysis

Dec 16th, 2017
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  1. [03:40:49] #CKW: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-675144338
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  3. [03:42:05] PKMNRocker: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-675144338
  4. [03:42:07] #CKW: Alright so what was ur initial thoughts / game plan in Team Preview
  5. [03:42:25] PKMNRocker: get rocks up
  6. [03:42:43] PKMNRocker: xern and groudon win on their own
  7. [03:42:51] PKMNRocker: then he screened up and i was like what
  8. [03:43:08] #CKW: yeh thats a set too but very rare
  9. [03:43:33] #CKW: so u lead correctly
  10. [03:43:49] #CKW: ve his deos
  11. [03:43:59] PKMNRocker: yeah i dont normally lead that mon but i thought it was a good lead here
  12. [03:44:05] PKMNRocker: /s
  13. [03:45:07] PKMNRocker: i guess i misplayed too by eq'ing the second time
  14. [03:45:09] #CKW: well u should almost always lead with drill if u know u can beat the opposing lead mon o
  15. [03:45:18] PKMNRocker: if i got up rocks i couldve toxic the yveltal
  16. [03:45:25] PKMNRocker: yeah I do
  17. [03:45:31] PKMNRocker: almost always lead it
  18. [03:45:39] #CKW: first few turns were ok
  19. [03:46:16] PKMNRocker: prec blades miss really sucked
  20. [03:46:33] #CKW: u see that was scarf yveltal, u could have just killed sth with luc if u got that in
  21. [03:46:51] PKMNRocker: yeah it was scarfed but i didnt realize luc did that XD
  22. [03:47:01] #CKW: u missed that big opporunity
  23. [03:47:07] PKMNRocker: I have this bad habit of never using my main mon until the end
  24. [03:47:16] PKMNRocker: whatever i deem the star of my team
  25. [03:47:23] PKMNRocker: so i usually do end up missing opportunites
  26. [03:47:31] PKMNRocker: i also didnt realize it was good there
  27. [03:48:00] #CKW: he would have either lost a threat or his deos. Either way u stopped sr / reflect or took out a threat roight there\
  28. [03:48:27] PKMNRocker: with CC?
  29. [03:48:45] #CKW: CC + BP or Maash
  30. [03:49:11] PKMNRocker: mash?
  31. [03:49:18] PKMNRocker: also yeah i realize my main fuck up
  32. [03:49:20] #CKW: |Meeteor mash
  33. [03:49:24] PKMNRocker: shouldve just hp iced
  34. [03:49:29] #CKW: yep
  35. [03:49:35] #CKW: glad u noticed that
  36. [03:49:39] PKMNRocker: couldve revenged with luc
  37. [03:49:44] #CKW: yeh
  38. [03:49:45] PKMNRocker: and i'd easily be able to win
  39. [03:50:00] PKMNRocker: OH MY GOD LUC LEARNS METEOR MASH
  40. [03:50:08] PKMNRocker: I was using Iron Tail
  41. [03:50:13] PKMNRocker: this changes everything
  42. [03:50:19] #CKW: this game it does :D
  43. [03:51:27] #CKW: once u lost 3 mons to ray, the rest just toppled over
  44. [03:51:29] PKMNRocker: yeah from there it was over
  45. [03:51:52] #CKW: also in the end u should have
  46. [03:52:12] #CKW: Spectral Theif instead of going to pdon
  47. [03:52:25] #CKW: That didnt make any sense :p
  48. [03:52:58] PKMNRocker: he could have been scarf
  49. [03:53:02] PKMNRocker: but i guess then xern 2hko
  50. [03:53:04] PKMNRocker: yeah
  51. [03:53:10] #CKW: then u losst anyways :P
  52. [03:53:18] PKMNRocker: XD
  53. [03:53:29] #CKW: Anyways, be careful next time\
  54. [03:53:38] PKMNRocker: doing this makes any loss worthwhile :D
  55. [03:54:19] #CKW: ofc u get good by playing more and more but u need to find out where things went wrong in a loss!
  56. [03:54:32] #CKW: Alright so did that tour end?
  57. [03:55:04] PKMNRocker: dunno, im out anyway lol
  58. [03:55:12] PKMNRocker: looks like its still going
  59. [03:55:22] #CKW: id host one after its done
  60. [03:55:24] #CKW: oh well
  61. [03:55:32] #CKW: one more thing
  62. [03:55:37] PKMNRocker: mm?
  63. [03:55:56] #CKW: we will commentate the finals of that tour here
  64. [03:56:22] PKMNRocker: ooh
  65. [03:56:28] PKMNRocker: that sounds like fun
  66. [03:56:45] PKMNRocker: looks like the other semis is still long to go
  67. [03:57:07] PKMNRocker: btw is there any way to see my tour points?
  68. [03:57:32] #CKW: Well once u do well enough
  69. [03:57:45] #CKW: u will see ur name in the points leader board
  70. [03:57:45] PKMNRocker: yeah top 50
  71. [03:57:50] #CKW: that appears after every game
  72. [03:57:52] #CKW: tour*
  73. [03:58:13] PKMNRocker: oh yeah I read your Hooh entry
  74. [03:58:15] PKMNRocker: was a good read
  75. [03:58:22] #CKW: Thanks
  76. [03:58:29] #CKW: There is an updated version on the way
  77. [03:58:34] PKMNRocker: nice
  78. [03:58:43] #CKW: that has Curse in the main set 8)
  79. [03:58:54] PKMNRocker: OH LORD THAT SOUNDS AWESOME
  80. [03:59:10] PKMNRocker: this man is dc'ing 300 times
  81. [03:59:11] #CKW: Yeah
  82. [03:59:15] PKMNRocker: gonna get a quick game
  83. [03:59:40] #CKW: Actually
  84. [03:59:46] #CKW: Lemme talk about Terracotta's team
  85. [03:59:57] PKMNRocker: sure
  86. [03:59:58] #CKW: nvm ur in a game
  87. [04:00:07] PKMNRocker: thats fine
  88. [04:00:21] #CKW: nah we are only doing one thing at a time
  89. [04:00:37] PKMNRocker: thats actually a wise decision
  90. [04:01:06] #CKW: ok s
  91. [04:01:08] #CKW: so*
  92. [04:01:17] #CKW: scarf yveltal is pretty annoying for u
  93. [04:01:18] #CKW: damn
  94. [04:02:22] #CKW: good lord
  95. [04:02:35] PKMNRocker: ?
  96. [04:03:22] #CKW: The more I see your team, the more I feel like Marshadow over mblaze feels better hehe
  97. [04:04:03] #CKW: Anyways, dw there's still a good shot at winning here
  98. [04:05:35] #CKW: UM
  99. [04:05:38] PKMNRocker: sigh
  100. [04:05:46] #CKW: U either SDed or RPed
  101. [04:05:48] #CKW: there
  102. [04:05:57] PKMNRocker: i didnt know which to do
  103. [04:06:01] PKMNRocker: so i just attacked lmao
  104. [04:06:25] PKMNRocker: yeah i lose now
  105. [04:06:29] #CKW: u cant switch out all the time like u do with balance man
  106. [04:06:50] #CKW: and this is one weird gira-o set
  107. [04:07:11] PKMNRocker: yeah i guess youre right
  108. [04:07:16] PKMNRocker: i switch too much
  109. [04:07:29] #CKW: Alright so turn one
  110. [04:07:34] PKMNRocker: we can talk about terracottas team now
  111. [04:07:37] #CKW: u got the 50-50 right
  112. [04:07:44] #CKW: and managed to get spikes up
  113. [04:07:56] #CKW: Now u dont have much to pressure yveltal and that sucked
  114. [04:08:06] #CKW: so u lost ur hazards
  115. [04:08:13] PKMNRocker: yeah I cant do without scarf xern lmao
  116. [04:08:22] #CKW: now mega blaze
  117. [04:08:32] #CKW: could have gotten a massive chunk off of ekiller
  118. [04:08:37] #CKW: but u tried to switch out
  119. [04:08:45] PKMNRocker: if he had chople though
  120. [04:08:50] #CKW: that's not going to work, HO doesn't have switchouts for half of the time
  121. [04:08:58] #CKW: it doesn't matter u needed to get damage off!
  122. [04:09:15] PKMNRocker: I see
  123. [04:09:16] #CKW: Once u did that
  124. [04:09:23] #CKW: Yveltal was alive in ur team
  125. [04:09:29] #CKW: and ur op would have had no ekiller
  126. [04:09:43] #CKW: so u could have avoided that sclaw on dusk mane as well
  127. [04:09:49] PKMNRocker: but +2 espeed killed me anyway
  128. [04:10:02] PKMNRocker: so I'd hit him with low kick
  129. [04:10:07] PKMNRocker: did like 20%
  130. [04:10:14] PKMNRocker: then?
  131. [04:10:26] PKMNRocker: omfg
  132. [04:10:26] #CKW: u stay in on ekiller
  133. [04:10:29] #CKW: go for low kick
  134. [04:10:34] PKMNRocker: i had light screen and reflect still on
  135. [04:10:40] PKMNRocker: no wonder it said 20%
  136. [04:10:46] #CKW: do what ever damage it had then revenged with foul play
  137. [04:10:48] #CKW: yeah lol
  138. [04:10:52] #CKW: Also at that stage
  139. [04:11:00] #CKW: yveltal was set at winning in a away
  140. [04:11:10] #CKW: 2hkoed everything at least
  141. [04:11:24] #CKW: anyways
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  143. [04:11:44] PKMNRocker: misclick
  144. [04:11:48] PKMNRocker: the finals are ready btw
  145. [04:11:49] #CKW: ah ok
  146. [04:12:02] #CKW: so yeah u could have avoided a lot
  147. [04:12:05] PKMNRocker: yeah i played it terribly
  148. [04:12:18] PKMNRocker: I blame the calc :P
  149. [04:12:22] #CKW: if u just played appropriately. You wouldn't even have to predict anything :p
  150. [04:12:24] #CKW: Nah its k
  151. [04:12:29] #CKW: Dont make the same mistake again
  152. [04:12:32] #CKW: Also its night
  153. [04:12:34] PKMNRocker: nah I actually blame myself lol
  154. [04:12:37] #CKW: so i cant force much at u
  155. [04:12:38] PKMNRocker: nah thats no excuse
  156. [04:12:49] #CKW: I play like a jelly during these hours
  157. [04:12:56] PKMNRocker: XD
  158. [04:12:56] #CKW: alright so
  159. [04:13:14] #CKW: Try to predict goodgame1324's sets
  160. [04:13:24] PKMNRocker: ..
  161. [04:13:31] PKMNRocker: ok
  162. [04:13:40] PKMNRocker: blissey is probably wish pass
  163. [04:13:54] PKMNRocker: uh maybe with rocks
  164. [04:14:05] PKMNRocker: zygarde c just standard stuff
  165. [04:14:10] #CKW: It's kind of forced to have SR on that team
  166. [04:14:19] PKMNRocker: hooh looks banded
  167. [04:14:26] #CKW: most prolly yeah
  168. [04:14:38] PKMNRocker: arceus is uh just the standard special set, maybe calm mind
  169. [04:14:42] #CKW: The fact that SR completely destroys him
  170. [04:14:44] PKMNRocker: gengar probably hex trapper
  171. [04:15:00] #CKW: Should convince me that arceus-ground is defog
  172. [04:15:02] PKMNRocker: yeah arceus prolly has defog
  173. [04:15:08] #CKW: it has to be
  174. [04:15:12] PKMNRocker: and i dont know what lugia does
  175. [04:15:18] #CKW: or else its a meme with lugia and ho-oh
  176. [04:15:19] #CKW: Oh
  177. [04:15:31] #CKW: Have u never faced a lugia before?
  178. [04:15:46] PKMNRocker: i have but its almost always just like useless
  179. [04:15:54] PKMNRocker: i think some run cm
  180. [04:16:01] #CKW: Bad in the hands of the wrong users
  181. [04:16:05] #CKW: yeah cm is garbo
  182. [04:16:08] PKMNRocker: some run toxic recover whirlwind i think
  183. [04:16:11] #CKW: I wont even be nice with that set
  184. [04:16:13] PKMNRocker: some have aeroblast
  185. [04:16:19] PKMNRocker: idrk
  186. [04:16:23] #CKW: If you want to run Lugia
  187. [04:16:28] #CKW: U must run
  188. [04:16:36] PKMNRocker: calc says its a wall
  189. [04:16:43] #CKW: Roost Toxic Whilrwind Ice Beam / Substitute
  190. [04:16:44] PKMNRocker: toxic roost whirlwing sub
  191. [04:16:50] PKMNRocker: whirlwing tfw
  192. [04:16:54] #CKW: Sometimes u can opt for psychic to screw mega gengar
  193. [04:17:00] PKMNRocker: yeah, now ive seen aeroblast so lol
  194. [04:17:15] PKMNRocker: yeah definitely banded hooh
  195. [04:17:17] #CKW: Aeroblast have 0 purpose yet people run it
  196. [04:17:18] #CKW: Yeah
  197. [04:17:23] #CKW: Fun fact about banded ho-oh
  198. [04:17:28] #CKW: it can actually 2hKO ur zygarde
  199. [04:17:29] PKMNRocker: its stronk
  200. [04:17:33] PKMNRocker: whaat
  201. [04:17:45] PKMNRocker: before it fathers that is?
  202. [04:18:01] #CKW: because u drop it to 45 percent, then leftovers makes it go to 51%. Still in range of brave bird so it dies
  203. [04:18:02] #CKW: Yeah
  204. [04:18:14] PKMNRocker: but then it gets father
  205. [04:18:22] #CKW: I usually use Zygarde-C when I wanna talk about father
  206. [04:18:24] #CKW: No it cant
  207. [04:18:32] PKMNRocker: why not?
  208. [04:18:34] #CKW: because leftovers makes it 51%
  209. [04:18:35] PKMNRocker: ohhh
  210. [04:18:36] PKMNRocker: yeah
  211. [04:18:38] PKMNRocker: im dumb
  212. [04:18:39] PKMNRocker: lmao
  213. [04:18:42] #CKW: and u cant go to that form anyone
  214. [04:18:45] PKMNRocker: yeah yeah
  215. [04:18:47] #CKW: There was a glitch on ps
  216. [04:18:51] #CKW: at the start of SM
  217. [04:19:14] #CKW: where zygarde entered full forme the very moment it drops below 50
  218. [04:19:42] PKMNRocker: where did father come from btw
  219. [04:19:47] PKMNRocker: and that sounds ugh
  220. [04:19:50] #CKW: even before taking leftovers recovery it went to father forme if it was 49%
  221. [04:19:52] PKMNRocker: this thing is such a beast
  222. [04:19:58] #CKW: Idk ubers
  223. [04:20:00] #CKW: generally calls its
  224. [04:20:02] #CKW: it8
  225. [04:20:04] #CKW: Big Boss
  226. [04:20:16] PKMNRocker: Father sounds really awesome
  227. [04:20:23] PKMNRocker: reminds me of FMA:B
  228. [04:20:28] #CKW: Heh
  229. [04:20:38] #CKW: Anyways
  230. [04:20:44] #CKW: Lugia isn't as good anymore
  231. [04:20:49] PKMNRocker: (not sure if you watched that)
  232. [04:20:58] PKMNRocker: yeah I saw it a lot more in ORAS
  233. [04:21:00] #CKW: I'm at episode 8 i think
  234. [04:21:09] PKMNRocker: you should finish it
  235. [04:21:12] #CKW: Trappers completely neutralize lugia
  236. [04:21:16] PKMNRocker: anyyway
  237. [04:21:32] #CKW: I wanted to talk about terra's tea
  238. [04:21:33] PKMNRocker: which trappers besides gengar exist? i see ttar mentioned but have never faced it
  239. [04:21:34] #CKW: team*
  240. [04:21:57] #CKW: because it's one of the prominent parts of SM ubers (the previous meta)
  241. [04:22:03] #CKW: Goth + Marshadow
  242. [04:22:10] #CKW: Gothitelle is a trapper
  243. [04:22:23] PKMNRocker: ah ok
  244. [04:22:32] PKMNRocker: completely missed this part of the game so...
  245. [04:22:36] #CKW: And Gothitelle
  246. [04:22:53] #CKW: Is one of the last mons you want to face when ur running a bulkier team
  247. [04:22:58] #CKW: For example
  248. [04:23:03] #CKW: Goodgame's tea
  249. [04:23:04] #CKW: team*
  250. [04:23:16] #CKW: loses 2/6 of his mons to gothitella
  251. [04:23:20] #CKW: gothielle*
  252. [04:23:42] #CKW: If u played OU back in ORAS u can understand how goth works
  253. [04:23:48] PKMNRocker: yeah
  254. [04:23:55] #CKW: But just to give u an idea of how busted it is vs balance
  255. [04:23:59] #CKW: lemme show u a replay
  256. [04:24:00] PKMNRocker: although does it run the same set?
  257. [04:24:03] PKMNRocker: in ubers
  258. [04:24:04] PKMNRocker: alright
  259. [04:26:04] #CKW: It runs
  260. [04:26:18] #CKW: Taunt Charm Rest Confide
  261. [04:26:27] #CKW: Completely PP stalls support arceus formes
  262. [04:26:35] #CKW: ferrothorn, celesteela
  263. [04:26:37] #CKW: lugia
  264. [04:26:47] PKMNRocker: thats disgusting
  265. [04:26:48] #CKW: defensive dusk mane / hooh
  266. [04:26:52] #CKW: if u dont get lucked
  267. [04:26:55] PKMNRocker: fucking hate those mons
  268. [04:26:56] #CKW: i.e
  269. [04:27:05] #CKW: Yeah but i hate goth even more ;_;
  270. [04:27:22] #CKW: It's like getting handicapped when u face it with ur balance
  271. [04:27:22] PKMNRocker: no i mean i hate mons like goth lmao
  272. [04:27:27] #CKW: Oh lol
  273. [04:27:31] PKMNRocker: its so dumb
  274. [04:27:36] PKMNRocker: waste of fucking time
  275. [04:28:06] PKMNRocker: stall in general
  276. [04:28:26] PKMNRocker: how do you deal with it then?
  277. [04:29:16] #CKW: U dont run anything that loses to it
  278. [04:29:27] PKMNRocker: :)
  279. [04:29:29] #CKW: I have seen people use Defog Roar support arceus forme
  280. [04:29:49] #CKW: which cant beat goth but ofc phaze it out once in a while
  281. [04:30:14] PKMNRocker: i have a better idea
  282. [04:30:21] PKMNRocker: click x everytime i see a goth
  283. [04:32:13] #CKW: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-616116568
  284. [04:32:21] #CKW: This is an example of goth
  285. [04:32:27] #CKW: Byron runs cm here instead
  286. [04:32:43] #CKW: CM over confide but it does the same thing practically
  287. [04:34:18] #CKW: um lemme see if I have any replays of my own
  288. [04:34:32] #CKW: I will have to reveal what this username stands for (cringe)
  289. [04:37:58] PKMNRocker: what a disgusting game
  290. [04:38:11] #CKW: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-661497638
  291. [04:38:16] #CKW: This is another example
  292. [04:38:27] #CKW: this is kind of why I stopped playing SM in the end
  293. [04:38:33] #CKW: most competitive teams
  294. [04:38:36] #CKW: looked like that
  295. [04:38:55] #CKW: or was made in a way that goth can't touch it
  296. [04:38:58] PKMNRocker: hey wheres your game
  297. [04:39:13] #CKW: I dont have a good one where I showcase gothitelle
  298. [04:39:20] #CKW: I'm always getting lucked when i use it
  299. [04:39:23] #CKW: deserved imo
  300. [04:40:29] #CKW: Anyways one of the best ways to run balance
  301. [04:40:34] #CKW: but not lose to gothitelle
  302. [04:40:46] #CKW: is that u can opt to run stuff that doesn't lose to it
  303. [04:40:54] PKMNRocker: huh
  304. [04:41:03] #CKW: like Ho-Oh teams had to use sth like Defog mega Salamence / Giratina-O as their defogger
  305. [04:41:11] #CKW: or else goth teams would lose to it
  306. [04:41:20] PKMNRocker: why does that not lose to it?
  307. [04:41:33] #CKW: because once u setup sr ho-oh gets screwed
  308. [04:41:42] PKMNRocker: right
  309. [04:41:43] #CKW: oh because u cant trap mega mence or gira-o
  310. [04:41:47] #CKW: with goth
  311. [04:42:04] PKMNRocker: how come?
  312. [04:42:22] #CKW: Goth gets destroyed by mence and gira-o too
  313. [04:42:35] #CKW: but gira-o can switch out cause ghost type x_x
  314. [04:42:55] PKMNRocker: aah
  315. [04:43:00] #CKW: mmence 2hkoes if not OHKo with double edge lol
  316. [04:43:05] PKMNRocker: right
  317. [04:43:09] #CKW: So Defog mega Mence got really popular at the end of SM
  318. [04:43:13] PKMNRocker: i see
  319. [04:43:21] PKMNRocker: thank god i wasnt here for that crpa
  320. [04:43:32] PKMNRocker: why is goth not so oversaturized now?
  321. [04:43:42] #CKW: Well that's because
  322. [04:43:46] #CKW: at the start of usm
  323. [04:43:51] #CKW: everyone was running offensive teams
  324. [04:43:53] #CKW: were*
  325. [04:44:09] PKMNRocker: and now?
  326. [04:44:13] #CKW: and gothitelle teams were basically playing 5 v 6 vs them
  327. [04:44:26] #CKW: since goth can't do crap vs ho
  328. [04:44:30] PKMNRocker: right
  329. [04:44:42] #CKW: this cause the trend to stray away for abi
  330. [04:44:44] #CKW: bit*
  331. [04:45:17] #CKW: though now the meta is settling, balance will comeback and goth is come along with it too
  332. [04:45:36] PKMNRocker: :(
  333. [04:45:54] PKMNRocker: i hate things that force you to run a counter just for it
  334. [04:46:04] #CKW: well xerneas x
  335. [04:46:10] #CKW: Either way
  336. [04:46:14] #CKW: Back in late Sm
  337. [04:46:50] #CKW: I think I used Magerna + Pdon + Gira-O + Pogre + MDiancie + CM Arceus-Flying
  338. [04:47:10] PKMNRocker: ive been intrigued by this arceus flying
  339. [04:47:10] #CKW: it's a balance that cant be touched by goth :D
  340. [04:47:12] PKMNRocker: what does it do
  341. [04:47:17] #CKW: Ah lemme talk about it
  342. [04:47:22] #CKW: Arceus-Flyig
  343. [04:47:38] #CKW: became a thing when Marshadow was released
  344. [04:47:57] #CKW: it was another good check, an option if u dont want to run Arceus-Fairy
  345. [04:48:29] #CKW: Flying stab has good neutral coverage so its good offensively as well
  346. [04:49:16] PKMNRocker: right
  347. [04:49:23] PKMNRocker: and its just like regular defog stuff?
  348. [04:49:24] #CKW: Anyways, I just wanted to cover gothitelle with u before we enter the balance part
  349. [04:49:30] PKMNRocker: yeah
  350. [04:49:30] #CKW: Oh u dont run defog on it
  351. [04:49:33] #CKW: almost always cm
  352. [04:49:42] PKMNRocker: oh yeah you have a g o
  353. [04:49:44] PKMNRocker: gira o
  354. [04:49:52] #CKW: cm refresh is great on it
  355. [04:49:52] #CKW: yeah
  356. [04:49:56] #CKW: and diancie helps
  357. [04:49:58] #CKW: I'd say
  358. [04:50:02] PKMNRocker: yep
  359. [04:50:08] #CKW: this balance is one of the best ways to break stall
  360. [04:50:34] #CKW: but it can struggle a lot vs HO
  361. [04:50:51] #CKW: The good thing about balance is tha
  362. [04:50:52] #CKW: that*
  363. [04:51:09] #CKW: Just because you are running balance doesn't mean your team loses to X playstyle
  364. [04:51:17] PKMNRocker: which means?
  365. [04:51:45] #CKW: For example, this team will face a rough time vs the usual ekiller hyper offense team
  366. [04:52:00] #CKW: and this team is also considered balance
  367. [04:52:37] PKMNRocker: right
  368. [04:52:46] #CKW: However, if I wanna beat HO, I can just go make a few changes like put scarf xerneas over something on the team. Tweak a bit here and there and now I can take care of HO if I will
  369. [04:52:47] #CKW: want*
  370. [04:53:14] #CKW: This is pretty much why balance is so good in the tier
  371. [04:53:29] PKMNRocker: ok i get it
  372. [04:53:36] PKMNRocker: its versatile
  373. [04:53:55] #CKW: Anyone who plays balance properly won't end up in the same matchup disadvantage a stall / offense player will encounter
  374. [04:54:07] PKMNRocker: right
  375. [04:54:41] #CKW: Anyways, I think we can call it a nigh here
  376. [04:55:02] #CKW: As a summary of what I covered (Imma have to get used to this x_x):
  377. [04:56:21] #CKW: We went through a couple of replays where you lost and tried to figure out where things had gone wrong, and how you can avoid that
  378. [04:56:59] #CKW: This was pretty much me closing the curtains for offense but you can always ask me questions randomly regarding the playstyle anytime
  379. [04:57:27] PKMNRocker: will do
  380. [04:57:31] #CKW: After that we went through sth like a preview to balance / bo?
  381. [04:57:42] PKMNRocker: although I think once we do Balance I'll be using less of HO :P
  382. [04:57:53] PKMNRocker: yeah you could say that
  383. [04:57:58] #CKW: Talked about Gothitelle and how big of a grip it has over a metagame
  384. [04:58:01] PKMNRocker: just talked mostly about goth
  385. [04:58:03] PKMNRocker: yeah
  386. [04:58:28] PKMNRocker: We also mentioned a cringy name somewhere in there
  387. [04:58:48] #CKW: lol yeah
  388. [04:59:14] #CKW: Alright this was about 1.5 / 2hrs?
  389. [04:59:22] PKMNRocker: damn that long
  390. [04:59:27] PKMNRocker: yeah something around there
  391. [04:59:37] PKMNRocker: btw how many hours do these things usually go for?
  392. [04:59:49] #CKW: oh well, we prolly covered the minimum requirement of 6 by now
  393. [05:00:06] #CKW: Well as long as I'm satisfied and you are satisfied
  394. [05:00:28] PKMNRocker: lemme rephrase
  395. [05:00:36] PKMNRocker: whats the maximum these things can go for?
  396. [05:00:46] #CKW: but I don't plan on doing this for more than 3 weeks. You are competent enough to be done by 2 weeks
  397. [05:00:47] PKMNRocker: Because thats what I want
  398. [05:00:50] #CKW: Oh
  399. [05:00:59] #CKW: Well that's
  400. [05:01:04] #CKW: damn might have to look it up
  401. [05:01:13] #CKW: I have seen users do it for more than 3 months
  402. [05:01:19] #CKW: but that's way too lon
  403. [05:01:21] #CKW: long*
  404. [05:01:23] PKMNRocker: yeah
  405. [05:01:26] PKMNRocker: agreed
  406. [05:01:32] PKMNRocker: but
  407. [05:01:49] PKMNRocker: I'd like to still like be able to ask questions or something even afterwards
  408. [05:01:57] #CKW: Well ofcourse man
  409. [05:02:08] #CKW: Usually its up to the tutor to answer them
  410. [05:02:18] #CKW: And I'm opened for that anytime
  411. [05:02:20] PKMNRocker: I actually really want a circle to join because i realize me quitting before was prolly cause I just was alone
  412. [05:02:25] PKMNRocker: thats awesome
  413. [05:02:28] #CKW: Ah I see
  414. [05:02:34] #CKW: well you should join ubers discord
  415. [05:02:52] PKMNRocker: Guess I can do that
  416. [05:03:21] PKMNRocker: Anywho, I guess we can call it quits here
  417. [05:03:22] #CKW: ask questions there too when im not available
  418. [05:03:24] #CKW: Yeah
  419. [05:03:26] PKMNRocker: gonna copy the chat
  420. [05:03:37] PKMNRocker: sure thing, thanks for everything
  421. [05:03:42] #CKW: np np n-N
  422. [05:03:47] PKMNRocker: :)
  423. [05:03:49] PKMNRocker: night
  424. [05:04:28] PKMNRocker: oh god
  425. [05:04:34] PKMNRocker: could you copy from the beginning
  426. [05:04:41] PKMNRocker: I cant scroll up because i left
  427. [05:04:52] PKMNRocker: if it isnt too much trouble
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