Lasse
Use Latios as a hit and run wallbreaker that spams Draco Meteor and pressures the opponent with its presence.
this feels inaccurate
cuz thatll rarely happen
as in hit and run

Excal
I think that could definitely be elaborated on, if not completely rehashed, yeah

Lasse
i dont think psycho shift should be slashed on scarf
in that 1. its better on specs
and 2. its not that good to begin with

Excal
I agree with that as well

Lasse
i think dragon pulse should be slashed w draco on calm mind
and not w roost
and if ur going 3 atk cm
lum should at least be mentioned
3atk cm is inferior imo regardless
A Dragon Dance set with Ground Gem, Earthquake, and Ice Beam can be used as a lure to dent Latios’ counters in Jirachi and Tyranitar while also outspeeding all common Choice Scarf users in the tier when boosted. This set should only be used on Hyper Offense teams utilizing Magnezone, however.
i dont agree that it needs to be on ho
u can play a balance ish team w that set
although you would be using dragonite in most cases
theres also this
Tyranitar: Specially defensive Tyranitar is the best counter in the metagame because it can take two hits and trap Latios with Pursuit. Choice Scarf Tyranitar can take one hit and trap Latios easily while outspeeding it so it doesn’t have to take two hits. Both variants dislike taking entry hazards damage, however, which can reduce their ability to take a hit from Latios and the specially defensive variant must be sure to not take Choice Specs-boosted Surf on the switch or a +1 Dragon Gem-boosted Draco Meteor.
scarftar is a better latios answer than spdef
its just a worse pokemon overall

Excal
is SpD ttar just inferior?
haven't rly seen that much at all

Lasse
spdef tar is good
scarf is mediocre

Excal
ahhhh I see

Lasse
but technically a better lati buffer

Excal
scarftar is a better latios answer than spdef
its just a worse pokemon overall
analysis wise this should be clarified
for sure

Lasse
if full layers then spdef has issues taking two
while scarftar dies ofc but
but after a kill then scarftars obv better
and without hazards scarftars better
less chances to crit etc
and noone sends spdef tar into lati w max layers anyway
u sack somoething then get the pursuit chip
spdef does deter draco spam though
scarf kinda doesnt

Excal
anything else u see that's wrong with it?

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
[SET]
set name: Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Draco Meteor
move 3: Surf
move 4: Roost / Dragon Pulse / Hidden Power Fire
item: Dragon Gem
ability: Levitate
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid
I think Dpulse
Should be removed

Lasse
i think trick flame orb is an absolute waste
and is better done by latias
or like
starmie
lol

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Trick flame orb is fine, I used it with decent success, you lead with it 100% of the time tho
Dm surf trick roost

Lasse
yea or u can draco and practically accomplish the same

Excal

these 2 amcheckers discussed it
personally I think it's better done by latias
even if it can work with tios it's prolly a waste

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
It's essentially a lure set
And Tias is almost only subcm and scarf

Excal
FO in oo
is fine

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Yh
In OO ofc
Not a main set
At all

Lasse
i also think
dd is unique enough

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
I feel like

Lasse
and good enough at the role it has
to be a set

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
DD is a worse Dgem cm

Excal
also finch said psycho shift for scarftias

Lasse
if shift is on scarf its also on specs

Excal
ok then that's worth noting for sure

Lasse
but its not that good to begin with
and you can slash better moves

Excal
@Lasse would you be willing to make a quick little post about this stuff for a QC? Alternatively if u can't I can just send this stuff to ophion provided that u'd consider it a 2nd QC check if he fixes this stuff

Lasse
just tag him so he sees it
Steel-types: Ferrothorn and Jirachi can take multiple hits and get up entry hazards or cripple Latios with paralysis. Offensive Heatran and Excadrill can take multiple Draco Meteors but must watch out for Surf.
spdef tran should be mentioned at least somewhere in checks
you can probably just
swap offensive with defensive there
i think dont offensive tran should be taking dracos
nor can it really well

Excal
no way can either take multiple meteors tbh

Lasse
spdef drill eats relatively easily

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Chansey
Is still the best answer

Lasse
chansey is mentioned

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Didnt see mb

Lasse
fwiw
bronzong should probably be mentioned as well
since it can play a tar like role on zone squads

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Is Milotic mentionned ?

Lasse
no?


Lasse
and youre losing that in the long run regardless
well
if thats a check then
u can also mention like
amoonguss
which often has to buffer earlygame

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Amoonguss doesn't recover
In one turn
From the DM
Sadly

Lasse
it stil works
at worst it trades
which obviously opens up keld and shit but
its a realistic enough scenario

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Also I assume Vap in Rain is an answer
But it's too rare
Tenta can take a dm too but ... Yeah
Maybe we should not mention that

Excal
Anything else that should be noted about the analysis?
I'll get to sending Ophion all this stuff
he doesn't have access to this channel

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Yes
Add
" Latios is broken and should be spammed in every fucking battle "

Lasse
This Latios variant only really fits on DragMag teams that appreciate Tyranitar being lured and removed from the game. being nuked,
@ cm
this is entirely wrong
cm is the best on rain

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Yh this is an oversight
Of what I told him

Lasse
in fact id say that
cm should ONLY be used on rain
its a waste on dragmag

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
I think
Dgem Hp fire
Is fine on some dragmag
Mine features SubRoost Dnite
So I like to reset weather
And kill the sr setter early
And it saves my Magnezone
By luring stuff like Ferro Zor etc
So i like it
Also not being lock'd is cool
But it's v good in rain
Obviously

Lasse
imo its rain only

Mannat
CM Gem is best on either rain HO w/torn or dragmag w pressure pushing
That appreciates tar gone
It’s legit bad on sand tho

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
SubRoostDnite ScarfDrill CustapRachi BalloonZone CmTios Band KB
This is the team i use

Mannat
That team seems like it needs an otr reuni

Lasse
i dont see the merit whatsoever for hp fire there

Mannat
Or wants one at least
And yeah hp fire is nonsensical on that

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Hp fire means you do not need to switch vs Ferro and co
And your opponent will give it to you
Thinking he can take advantage of zone
After he gets trapped
And he just get nuked
Anyway it's not like you need another move

Lasse
iif theres a zone
chances are hes doubling if anything

Excal
hi @Mannat

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
Suee
But if he doubles

Excal
can u just confirm real quick that ophion successfully implemented all ur changes

⚜ Zokuru ⚜
I still have
A +1 tios
On the board
Ready to lauch stuff at their face
Launch*
Also not letting the opponent use EH moves
Means drill doesn't need to be locked on spin

Excal
@Lasse anything else or that's all?
ty for going over this btw

Mannat
hey excal
and yeah
he did

Excal
alr great ty

Lasse
This Latios only works well on offensive rain teams so Politoed is an essential teammate.
@ scarf
i dont agree w this either
scarf is fine on sand
worse but fine
same w zone teams
probably an inferior scarfer but still an option
scarf lati solos opposing dragmag if that should ever come up lol
instead of having to chomp tie