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  1. 2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
  2. [08:37:35]  <tomathyst> zebras
  3. [08:37:50]  <deRuyter>  zebras are like giraffes on the savanne
  4. [08:38:14]  <tomathyst> yep, but they are horse-oids
  5. [08:38:22]  <tomathyst> whatever the name is
  6. [08:38:39]  <tomathyst> equus
  7. [08:38:48]  <deRuyter>  and ofc horses arent endemic either in Arabia
  8. [08:39:14]  <tomathyst> where are they from?
  9. [08:39:14]  <deRuyter>  thats another reason why horse is an animal signifying human elite groups
  10. [08:39:24]  <guerro>    I used to take care of 3 horses once
  11. [08:39:31]  <tomathyst> central asia?
  12. [08:39:33]  <guerro>    2 stallions and 1 native american colt
  13. [08:39:39]  <deRuyter>  <- is rethinking why Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey
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  16. [08:39:58]  <tomathyst> he couldn't afford a horse
  17. [08:40:27]  <deRuyter>  the common idea is that Jesus took a donkey to show His humility, but now I do think that even the donkey was an elite animal for hebrews, fit for a king
  18. [08:40:41]  <guerro>    the horse is a special animal, even among other farm animals
  19. [08:41:09]  <tomathyst> i have never interacted with a horse, unfortunately
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  23. [08:41:55]  <joey-> Nah deRuyter ...  Jesus rode into Jersalem on a camel!  :P
  24. [08:42:02] joey-    ducks
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  26. [08:42:07]  <lobefux>   no it was a dromedare!
  27. [08:42:12]  <joey-> LOL
  28. [08:42:22]  <deRuyter>  a horse needs so much food (grass), hence so much land that the majority of small farmers cant afford one
  29. [08:42:24]  <lobefux>   a rabbit i mean!
  30. [08:42:29]  <joey-> imagine Jesus riding a komodo dragon
  31. [08:42:34]  <lobefux>   erh
  32. [08:42:35]  <lobefux>   nope.
  33. [08:42:39]  <joey-> man ...  that's a big rabbit
  34. [08:42:46]  <tomathyst> alpacas and guanocos and llamas are camelids
  35. [08:43:02]  <joey-> correct,  tomathyst
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  37. [08:44:17]  <tomathyst> rabbit-like animals are lagomorphs
  38. [08:44:28] joey-    remembers susie (camel)
  39. [08:44:38]  <joey-> like kangaroos?
  40. [08:45:13]  <tomathyst> i recall these words from my paleontologist friend
  41. [08:45:35]  <tomathyst> no, not including kangaroos; they are way too distant
  42. [08:49:56]  <joey-> I think,  if memory serves me correctly,  kangaroos are marsupial
  43. [08:50:03]  <joey-> but not rabbits?
  44. [08:50:09]  <tomathyst> correct
  45. [08:50:13]  <joey-> YAYYYYY
  46. [08:50:18]  <joey-> I guessed it
  47. [08:50:34]  <tomathyst> an educated guess!
  48. [08:50:39]  <joey-> YES
  49. [08:51:03]  <joey-> a scientific statement
  50. [08:51:24]  <joey-> uh oh ...  better watch out for our distinguished theologian
  51. [08:51:37]  <ColoradoFred>  IrishKing is a slagomorph
  52. [08:51:53]  <tomathyst> *gasp*
  53. [08:51:53]  <joey-> lol
  54. [08:52:34]  <ColoradoFred>  we all know tom isn't choking on surprise
  55. [08:53:52]  <tomathyst> no surprise
  56. [08:54:54] joey-    is organizing odds and ends ... plastic food containers
  57. [08:55:31]  <tomathyst> 4 ops +2 others are in the 'we all hate irishking' clique, and all the rest of us are not.
  58. [08:55:54]  <ColoradoFred>  feels like you're on the losing side
  59. [08:55:58] joey-    hates IrishKing?
  60. [08:56:06]  <ColoradoFred>  even if you win, you win a bigot
  61. [08:56:08]  <ColoradoFred>  hooray
  62. [08:56:11]  <joey-> am I supposed to hate IrishKing,  tomathyst?
  63. [08:56:14]  <tomathyst> no, i'm in the vast majority, fred
  64. [08:56:23]  <ColoradoFred>  you may be fatter
  65. [08:56:26]  <ColoradoFred>  but that's about it
  66. [08:56:42] joey-    wonders why he unbans IrishKing whenever he trips the bot
  67. [08:56:44]  <tomathyst> fattery will get you nowhere
  68. [08:56:51]  <ColoradoFred>  tomathyst, the ER
  69. [08:56:58]  <joey-> LOL  ...  the ER
  70. [08:56:58]  <ColoradoFred>  but you probably need a ride
  71. [08:57:30]  <joey-> Mebbe we should turn pete- into a shark. <G>
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  76. [09:18:16]  <ColoradoFred>  can you temp ban KIKA?
  77. [09:23:10] joey-    waves a magic wand .... pete- ... ban KIKA
  78. [09:23:21]  <joey-> nothing happened
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  80. [09:24:02] pete- sets mode -b *!*@*.dhcp.lnbh.ca.charter.com
  81. [09:24:11]  <ColoradoFred>  that worked
  82. [09:24:13]  <ColoradoFred>  thanks
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  84. [09:24:20]  <ColoradoFred>  uDICK!
  85. [09:24:21]  <ColoradoFred>  lol
  86. [09:30:07]  <deRuyter>  joey- if you click you get a free book: https://kampungpadi.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/wolfgang-rindler-introduction-to-special-relativity.pdf
  87. [09:30:26]  <deRuyter>  maybe its illegal, but you can just click on it
  88. [09:31:03]  <deRuyter>  you can look at the pictures and then delete it and then do a virus scan
  89. [09:33:26]  <joey-> hahaha ColoradoFred
  90. [09:33:37]  <joey-> sorry ol chap ...  my ops not high enough
  91. [09:33:51]  <joey-> deRuyter:  my .pdf not working
  92. [09:33:52]  <joey-> sorry
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  97. [09:35:09]  <deRuyter>  thats a bit like saying when there is $10 bill on the street: "sorry, my wallet isnt working"
  98. [09:35:24]  <The_M> ah analogies!
  99. [09:35:38]  <The_M> why dont you use a car analogy deRuyter
  100. [09:36:06]  <deRuyter>  the convincing part with analogies is that you dont need axiomatic (arbitrary rule-based) science/logic for that
  101. [09:36:26]  <The_M> LOL
  102. [09:36:35]  <deRuyter>  so instead of referring to a system what most people dont accept you refer to a SIMILAR iamge
  103. [09:36:40]  <The_M> is that why I dont find the bible parables very believable?
  104. [09:36:44]  <deRuyter>  a much more natural way of arguing
  105. [09:36:58]  <The_M> natural?
  106. [09:37:13]  <deRuyter>  maybe you have problems with similarities
  107. [09:37:31]  <deRuyter>  that you only understand literal equalities
  108. [09:37:33]  <joey-> it's true,  deRuyter ...  my adobe reader doesn't work.
  109. [09:37:37]  <deRuyter>  you should work on that
  110. [09:37:59]  <deRuyter>  the simile or analogy is the most convincing way of argument
  111. [09:38:17]  <deRuyter>  not dependent on arbitrary rule-based systems
  112. [09:38:30]  <The_M> hmmm
  113. [09:38:38]  <The_M> thats not the case though
  114. [09:38:48]  <deRuyter>  everybody knows that a crane is like a flamingo
  115. [09:38:53]  <The_M> because without logic any analogy falls flat
  116. [09:39:01]  <deRuyter>  it obviates tiresome 'scientific' descriptions
  117. [09:39:30]  <deRuyter>  your dependence on 'logic' is lie an invalid on her crutches
  118. [09:39:47]  <The_M> yeah
  119. [09:39:53]  <The_M> so she can walk better
  120. [09:40:08]  <deRuyter>  you prefer to some weird rules while the analogy refers to the imagination of the recipient
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  122. [09:40:15]  <The_M> logic and science are crutches for our feeble minds, to help us make sense of the world
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  124. [09:40:26]  <deRuyter>  speak for yourself
  125. [09:40:27]  <The_M> I like that analogy
  126. [09:40:37]  <The_M> oh I am
  127. [09:40:39]  <deRuyter>  nerds are nerds and will never get chicks
  128. [09:41:00]  <The_M> said the religionist to the rationalist
  129. [09:41:52]  <deRuyter>  the scope of the spiritual person is sooooo much wider than the narrowness of the rule-governed mind
  130. [09:42:08]  <The_M> well sure
  131. [09:42:36]  <The_M> of course, what made you think I claimed otherwise
  132. [09:42:43]  <deRuyter>  if 10,000 people agree on a miracle are you gonna say that you 'think' different?
  133. [09:42:46]  <deRuyter>  if yes, why?
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  136. [09:43:03]  <The_M> you should not have to guess deRuyter
  137. [09:43:07]  <The_M> it depends on the evidence
  138. [09:43:13]  <deRuyter>  because you BELIEVE in the validity of some rules?
  139. [09:43:25]  <The_M> haha
  140. [09:43:27]  <deRuyter>  you didnt even validate your arbitrary rule-set
  141. [09:43:40]  <The_M> trying to change the meaning of the word 'believe'
  142. [09:43:45]  <deRuyter>  you just adopted them, without realizing what they really are
  143. [09:44:00]  <deRuyter>  its like think Yahtzee (with its rules) is 'real' life
  144. [09:44:02]  <The_M> suddenly trusting on the rules of logic is equivalent to a faith in things unseen
  145. [09:44:27]  <The_M> but it is real life deRuyter
  146. [09:44:30]  <deRuyter>  apart that your 'rules' are horribly restrictive
  147. [09:44:43]  <deRuyter>  they exclude beauty and humor
  148. [09:44:49]  <deRuyter>  thats a bit your world
  149. [09:44:52]  <The_M> and these rules are validated, each day, every day, all day
  150. [09:45:05]  <The_M> not really
  151. [09:45:06]  <deRuyter>  for you maybe
  152. [09:45:11]  <deRuyter>  not for the rest of us
  153. [09:45:36]  <deRuyter>  unless your a govnmnt paid professional who has to profess 'belief' in those rules
  154. [09:46:13]  <deRuyter>  no miracles, no salvation - life must be boring for you
  155. [09:47:19]  <joey-> salvation is no more a miracle than the creation of our universe
  156. [09:47:21]  <deRuyter>  if you see a cow as just a herbivore instead of as a gift of Nurture from God, you"ll never appreciate true Beauty
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  158. [09:48:34]  <deRuyter>  ?kjv Job 21 10
  159. [09:48:35]  <@pete->    Job21:10 Their bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf. (KJV)
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  162. [09:51:52]  <deRuyter>  ?kjv exo 22 30
  163. [09:51:53]  <@pete->    Exo22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me. (KJV)
  164. [09:55:18]  <deRuyter>  ?kjv Num 19 2  4
  165. [09:55:19]  <@pete->    Num19:2 This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke: (KJV)
  166. [09:55:19]  <@pete->    Num19:3 And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face: (KJV)
  167. [09:55:19]  <@pete->    Num19:4 And Eleazar the priest shall take of her blood with his finger, and sprinkle of her blood directly before the tabernacle of the congregation seven times: (KJV)
  168. [09:55:49]  <The_M> exactly deRuyter, no miracles, no salvation
  169. [09:55:57]  <deRuyter>  :(
  170. [09:56:14]  <The_M> and when I die, thats the end
  171. [09:56:24]  <joey-> finished
  172. [09:56:40]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  why do you need to believe in God to see the beauty and wonder of the universe/
  173. [09:56:44]  <joey-> The_M:  Don't tell mime. :P
  174. [09:56:49]  <joey-> jeje
  175. [09:56:51]  <joey-> hehe
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  177. [09:57:05]  <joey-> wb ^Pilgrim^
  178. [09:57:06]  <gadfly>    I am in eternal awe of the universe
  179. [09:57:12]  <The_M> me too gadfly
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  181. [09:57:17]  <deRuyter>  'the wonder of the universe' == God
  182. [09:57:23]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  no
  183. [09:57:23]  <The_M> I am in awe of my wife
  184. [09:57:27] joey-    is in awe of warp drive
  185. [09:57:31]  <gadfly>    the wonderof the universe is the universe
  186. [09:57:40]  <The_M> exactly
  187. [09:57:43]  <^Pilgrim^> hey
  188. [09:57:48]  <deRuyter>  its wonder certainly indicates God
  189. [09:57:49]  <The_M> you can call it god, but thats just arbitrary
  190. [09:57:52]  <The_M> no
  191. [09:57:57]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  perhaps for you
  192. [09:58:02]  <The_M> you have been led to believe lies
  193. [09:58:05]  <deRuyter>  and Scripture
  194. [09:58:06]  <gadfly>    I dont need gods to be in awe of it
  195. [09:58:24] deRuyter and Scripture against the atheists
  196. [09:58:32]  <The_M> hehe
  197. [09:58:36]  <deRuyter>  guess who wins?
  198. [09:58:36]  <The_M> no contest
  199. [09:58:43]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  wins what?
  200. [09:58:49]  <The_M> well it depends on the state of things
  201. [09:59:06]  <The_M> when civilisation crumbles I'm sure christianity will thrive
  202. [09:59:18]  <joey-> [00:58] * deRuyter and Scripture against the atheists>>  You can't be serious
  203. [09:59:19] deRuyter puts in the Sistine Chapel
  204. [09:59:22]  <The_M> but when we keep on progressing, indeed, no contest
  205. [09:59:29]  <deRuyter>  what did you guys bring?
  206. [09:59:35]  <deRuyter>  a british twit?
  207. [09:59:38]  <The_M> no
  208. [09:59:40]  <joey-> a headache
  209. [09:59:47]  <The_M> we bring the formulas for making paint
  210. [09:59:56]  <deRuyter>  hehe
  211. [10:00:09]  <deRuyter>  da Vinci wasnt a chemist
  212. [10:00:17]  <The_M> the calculations to build the chapel such that the ceiling stays up
  213. [10:00:18]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  you dont even need a cow to be amazed
  214. [10:00:23]  <gadfly>    just a single cell is amazing
  215. [10:00:37]  <joey-> agreed gadfly
  216. [10:00:41]  <joey-> it sure is
  217. [10:00:52]  <joey-> cell wall vs cell membramne
  218. [10:00:53]  <The_M> and we can measure eyes diluting when humans look at it
  219. [10:00:55]  <joey-> membrane
  220. [10:01:03]  <The_M> dogs and cats not so much deRuyter
  221. [10:01:11]  <gadfly>    the telescope and microscope were two of the most important inventions of mankind
  222. [10:01:27]  <gadfly>    created within a decade or 2 of each other
  223. [10:01:39]  <gadfly>    with them we were able to see beyond our natural senses
  224. [10:01:51] The_M    notices that deRuyter never acknowledges defeat in any debate, he just goes quiet
  225. [10:01:58]  <gadfly>    to discover the world was not just what we observed with our senses
  226. [10:01:58]  <joey-> actually,  the sail is prolly one of the most inventions of mankind, gadfly
  227. [10:02:08]  <The_M> fire, steel
  228. [10:02:15]  <The_M> logic, science
  229. [10:02:17]  <joey-> it allowed us to cross vast distances
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  231. [10:02:19]  <The_M> psychology
  232. [10:02:22]  <The_M> genetics
  233. [10:02:25]  <gadfly>    joey-,  well the singlemost important invention of mankind was IMHO Language
  234. [10:02:27]  <The_M> in that order haha
  235. [10:02:35]  <The_M> language! yes
  236. [10:02:38]  <joey-> that is true,  gadfly ...  
  237. [10:03:19] joey-    struggles to stay awake
  238. [10:03:32]  <deRuyter>  Antonie van Leeuwenhoek's religion was Calvinist. He often referred with reverence to the wonders God designed in making creatures great and small. He believed that his amazing discoveries were merely further proof of the great wonder of God's creation.
  239. [10:03:36] gadfly   is boring joey ;(
  240. [10:03:36] joey-    looks @ deRuyter
  241. [10:03:42]  <joey-> nah,  gadfly
  242. [10:03:45]  <joey-> have a look at this
  243. [10:03:48]  <The_M> he was wrong deRuyter
  244. [10:03:50]  <The_M> misguided
  245. [10:04:00]  <The_M> led to believe a lie
  246. [10:04:02]  <The_M> sad
  247. [10:04:04]  <deRuyter>  He did invent the microscope, you didnt
  248. [10:04:10]  <joey-> [joey- TIME reply]: Tue Oct 17 01:03:59 2017
  249. [10:04:14]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  so what?
  250. [10:04:14]  <The_M> hahahah
  251. [10:04:15]  <gadfly>    heh
  252. [10:04:17]  <joey-> there ya go,  gadfly
  253. [10:04:22]  <The_M> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/10/daniel-everett-amazon
  254. [10:04:30]  <gadfly>    joey-,  I know its the same time here +- a few microseconds
  255. [10:04:42]  <gadfly>    I should be sleeping too
  256. [10:04:49]  <joey-> oh man ...  how do you do it??
  257. [10:05:00]  <gadfly>    I woke up with a headache
  258. [10:05:01]  <joey-> I know for The_M and deRuyter ...  it is morning
  259. [10:05:08]  <gadfly>    I was already asleep
  260. [10:05:09]  <The_M> yeah
  261. [10:05:15]  <joey-> gadfly:  you too, eh?
  262. [10:05:17]  <gadfly>    just waiting for the excederin to kick in
  263. [10:05:18]  <The_M> big mug of covfefe
  264. [10:05:25]  <joey->  The_M:  hehe
  265. [10:05:43]  <joey-> just what I need
  266. [10:05:51]  <joey-> covfefe
  267. [10:05:58]  <The_M> so because I did not invent the microscope and van leeuwenhoek did, his belief in god is justified, and my atheism is not
  268. [10:06:15]  <joey-> The_M: oh jee ...  
  269. [10:06:17]  <gadfly>    The_M,  that doesnt follow logic
  270. [10:06:17]  <The_M> thats certainly a novel way of evaluating what is true and what is not
  271. [10:06:32]  <The_M> quite
  272. [10:06:54]  <joey-> hey deRuyter ... I still can't get my wallet to work.  The zipper is broken.  :P
  273. [10:06:58]  <joey-> LOL
  274. [10:07:21]  <The_M> its a train of thought by deRuyter, the resident dutch religious flake
  275. [10:07:25]  <deRuyter>  you think van Leeuwenhoek was wrong?
  276. [10:07:32]  <deRuyter>  you think you know better?
  277. [10:07:33]  <The_M> yes deRuyter
  278. [10:07:35]  <The_M> yes!
  279. [10:07:37]  <deRuyter>  what hubris!
  280. [10:07:43]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  im sure he was wrong about a great many things
  281. [10:07:47]  <gadfly>    just like any man
  282. [10:07:54]  <joey-> yup,  gadfly
  283. [10:07:55]  <joey-> true
  284. [10:07:57]  <The_M> he was a child of his time
  285. [10:08:10]  <The_M> a poor misguided christian
  286. [10:08:10]  <deRuyter>  at least he PROVED he was right, by inventing usefull instruments
  287. [10:08:18]  <The_M> hmm no
  288. [10:08:33]  <The_M> that does not prove him correct on the god question
  289. [10:08:40]  <deRuyter>  same with Isaac Newton
  290. [10:08:41]  <The_M> his instruments did not reveal god
  291. [10:08:44]  <The_M> exactly
  292. [10:08:45]  <gadfly>    look at newton, prob the greatest mind in science/physics for his time. But he believed in all kinds of nutty things like turning base metals into gold, and eternal elixers
  293. [10:08:55]  <deRuyter>  you atheists never invented something usefull
  294. [10:09:01]  <The_M> and god gadfly
  295. [10:09:07]  <The_M> LOL
  296. [10:09:14]  <joey-> the computer isn't useful,  deRuyter?
  297. [10:09:19]  <joey-> oh my!
  298. [10:09:26]  <deRuyter>  atheist = grumpy nay-sayer
  299. [10:09:27]  <gadfly>    deRuyter,  turn off your computer, get off the internet
  300. [10:09:38]  <gadfly>    forgo anything to do with dna
  301. [10:09:39]  <gadfly>    heh
  302. [10:09:40]  <joey-> hear hear,  gadfly
  303. [10:09:45]  <The_M> hehe
  304. [10:09:48]  <deRuyter>  Alan Turing was a deeply spiritual person
  305. [10:09:48]  <The_M> oh and logic
  306. [10:09:49]  <joey-> yup ... turn off the computer
  307. [10:09:53]  <The_M> spiritual
  308. [10:10:08]  <gadfly>    turing committed suicide due to homophobes
  309. [10:10:12] deRuyter and Alan Turing fight off slacking atheists
  310. [10:10:17]  <The_M> see what he is doing
  311. [10:10:33]  <The_M> someone being spiritual makes them believe in the hebrew deity
  312. [10:10:39]  <deRuyter>  you still havent brought anything of value
  313. [10:10:44]  <The_M> you are such a bad debater deRuyter
  314. [10:10:49]  <deRuyter>  nay-saying brngs nothing
  315. [10:10:49]  <The_M> value?
  316. [10:10:53]  <gadfly>    The_M,  homophobes like deRuyter  drove turing to kill himself
  317. [10:11:03]  <The_M> is he a homophobe??
  318. [10:11:08]  <The_M> a dutch homophobe?
  319. [10:11:12]  <The_M> those are very rare
  320. [10:11:15]  <gadfly>    a great mind lost due to bigotry
  321. [10:11:22]  <The_M> so he is christian and a homophobe
  322. [10:11:25]  <The_M> and dutch
  323. [10:11:28]  <The_M> wow
  324. [10:11:29]  <joey-> The_M:   Isn't the word flikker a bad word?
  325. [10:11:35]  <The_M> he should be in a museum
  326. [10:11:39]  <The_M> hmm
  327. [10:11:39]  <joey-> haha
  328. [10:11:50]  <joey-> or flikka
  329. [10:12:09]  <The_M> well...its not just used to describe gays, its meaning has changed a bit
  330. [10:12:17]  <gadfly>    The_M,  look at Geert Wilders
  331. [10:12:18]  <joey-> ok
  332. [10:12:22]  <The_M> it can also mean a nasty person more in general
  333. [10:12:30]  <gadfly>    there are bigots in the netherlands
  334. [10:12:31]  <The_M> geert is no homophobe
  335. [10:12:38]  <joey-> oh wow,  The_M
  336. [10:12:46]  <The_M> no absolutely not
  337. [10:12:51]  <joey-> there are bigots everywhere,  gadfly
  338. [10:13:05]  <The_M> he stands up for the rights of gays, no question about it
  339. [10:13:14]  <joey-> good for him,  The_M
  340. [10:13:30]  <The_M> hehe
  341. [10:13:40]  <joey-> The_M:  _o/\o_
  342. [10:13:44]  <The_M> he is less outspoken about it then about his hate for islam though
  343. [10:13:55] joey-    nods
  344. [10:14:06]  <The_M> his voters might be a bit more homophobic than the average dutchy
  345. [10:14:11]  <The_M> not so sure
  346. [10:14:14]  <gadfly>    The_M, I said he was a bigot
  347. [10:14:20]  <gadfly>    not that he was a homophobe
  348. [10:14:20]  <The_M> yes he is
  349. [10:14:27]  <joey-> oh well ...   one step at a time
  350. [10:14:28]  <The_M> he is a bigot, without a plan
  351. [10:14:36]  <joey-> bbl :)
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  353. [10:14:53]  <gadfly>    well its after 1am
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  355. [10:14:58]  <gadfly>    need to get some zzzzzzzzs
  356. [10:15:04]  <gadfly>    nice talking with ya
  357. [10:15:07]  <gadfly>    but got to sleep
  358. [10:15:10]  <gadfly>    nite
  359. [10:16:27]  <The_M> hehee
  360. [10:16:48]  <The_M> When they heard the word of God, his evangelic mission believed, they would be converted. Everett translated the Book of Luke, read it to the Pirahã and they were utterly unmoved. By 1985, he had privately lost his faith.
  361. [10:17:29]  <The_M> So then I find myself with the Pirahã. They have all these qualities that I am trying to tell them they could have. They are the ones who are living life the way I'm saying it ought to be lived, they just don't fear heaven and hell."
  362. [10:17:29]  <@pete->    The_M, u appear to be flooding the channel with pasted text, if you have something to say, please say it w/o flooding
  363. [10:17:37]  <The_M> bullocks pete
  364. [10:17:41]  <The_M> hairy bullocks
  365. [10:18:22]  <The_M> pff thats quite some story
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  370. [11:27:03]  <MrWonderful>   Good morning team!!
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  374. [11:33:02]  <MrWonderful>    FredNorris photo shopped my picture and put it inside a woman's labia.  now theres a guy who's a mentally ill stalker
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  376. [11:34:09]  <MrWonderful>   he sent it to me as a pm
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  381. [11:35:29]  <MrWonderful>   I must be the focus of a sorry assed troll's empty life
  382. [11:37:37]  <The_M> and do you know why?
  383. [11:38:35]  <MrWonderful>   no
  384. [11:38:52]  <MrWonderful>    do you?
  385. [11:42:12]  <The_M> well usually there needs to have been some sort of interaction
  386. [11:44:00]  <MrWonderful>    I banned that troll from 2 channels I op
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  392. [12:04:01]  <MrWonderful>   Team, Fred has now stolen Yossarian's nick
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  397. [12:29:58]  <MrWonderful>   Thank u petey
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  399. [12:51:04]  <MrWonderful>   I was in bed after falling asleep during the Colts-Titans game
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  406. [13:10:05]  <MrWonderful>   Welp, it's chilly here
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  408. [13:10:12]  <MrWonderful>   YAY
  409. [13:10:17]  <Daren_>    Morning IK
  410. [13:10:23]  <MrWonderful>    Hello Daren
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  412. [13:10:54]  <MrWonderful>    I see Fred stole yer nick
  413. [13:11:01]  <Daren_>    did he?
  414. [13:11:13]  <MrWonderful>   yeah
  415. [13:11:16]  <Daren_>    Ah
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  417. [13:11:56] Daren_   shrugs
  418. [13:12:03]  <Daren_>    oh well
  419. [13:12:07]  <mime>  Fred sent me the picture on PM.
  420. [13:12:25]  Daren_ is now known as Fred_Norris
  421. [13:12:37]  <MrWonderful>   hee hee
  422. [13:12:55]  <Fred_Norris>   3 day week
  423. [13:13:04]  <MrWonderful>   good
  424. [13:13:13]  <Fred_Norris>   Although, we have parent teacher conferences tonight until 7.
  425. [13:13:15]  <MrWonderful>    work today
  426. [13:13:38]  <Fred_Norris>   Yeah, Thursday Friday off.
  427. [13:13:50]  <MrWonderful>   excellent
  428. [13:14:02]  <Fred_Norris>   We're going to Kansas City.
  429. [13:14:13]  <MrWonderful>    yeah?
  430. [13:14:23]  <MrWonderful>    whats there?
  431. [13:14:49]  <Fred_Norris>   We like visiting the Country Club plaza.
  432. [13:14:57]  <Fred_Norris>   Its a shopping district.
  433. [13:15:10]  <MrWonderful>   whats that?
  434. [13:15:22]  <mime>  I find that it weird that The_M can claim much smarter people than himself is "misguided" in a question of science which The_M arguably knows very little about.
  435. [13:15:44]  <MrWonderful>   mime shut the F up
  436. [13:15:51]  <mime>  MrWonderful Go back to bed.
  437. [13:15:53]  <Fred_Norris>   https://visitkcfiles.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/styles/carousel/s3/Neptune-Fountain-3150.jpg?itok=h8YjCniY
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  440. [13:16:57]  <MrWonderful>   Yozzie, looks nice
  441. [13:17:14]  <Fred_Norris>   Yeah, it's pretty cool.
  442. [13:17:35]  <mime>  https://i.imgur.com/r4d5haK.jpg <--- I recieved this in PM.
  443. [13:17:54]  <mime>  I might pursue and push this as the next Meme.
  444. [13:17:56]  <The_M> haha mime
  445. [13:18:01]  <Fred_Norris>   We go eat BBQ at Oklahoma Joe's.
  446. [13:18:07]  <Fred_Norris>   mmmm
  447. [13:18:19]  <Fred_Norris>   I think it's just called Joe's now
  448. [13:18:48]  <The_M> arguably I know a lot about the existence of god
  449. [13:18:53]  <mime>  hehe
  450. [13:19:16]  <Fred_Norris>   The_M, I think it's safe to say you know as much as anyone ever has about the Lord.
  451. [13:19:16]  <The_M> yeah
  452. [13:19:22]  <mime>  Thats the best example of how to use the word "arguably" wrong I have seen in a long time.
  453. [13:19:35]  <The_M> I've talked to a lot of christians Fred
  454. [13:19:55]  <Fred_Norris>   lol... we have less than two weeks before we start to move.
  455. [13:20:00]  <Fred_Norris>   We aren't ready.
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  459. [13:20:09]  <Fred_Norris>   morning Teukka
  460. [13:21:21]  <The_M> hehe mime talking about the correct use of words
  461. [13:21:24]  <The_M> chutpah
  462. [13:21:28]  <The_M> chutZpah
  463. [13:21:29]  <The_M> grin
  464. [13:21:54]  <mime>  The_M You can relax, I have won the argument already.
  465. [13:22:04]  <mime>  Any further statement will just make you appear young.
  466. [13:22:29]  <The_M> young?
  467. [13:22:31]  <The_M> wow
  468. [13:22:36]  <The_M> where do I sign up
  469. [13:22:41]  <mime>  Take it as a compliment.
  470. [13:23:30]  <The_M> ?
  471. [13:23:35]  <The_M> oh well
  472. [13:23:43]  <mime>  This way you arent old and dumb, The_M.
  473. [13:23:46]  <mime>  Just young.
  474. [13:24:18]  <MrWonderful>   mime, keep that up and you will be banned
  475. [13:24:47]  <Fred_Norris>   Is he praising Hitler's holy name again?
  476. [13:24:57]  <mime>  MrWonderful Keep it up and you are soon on /pol.
  477. [13:25:16]  <Fred_Norris>   He'll goose step his way into a perma-ban
  478. [13:25:25]  <mime>  Fred made a beautiful meme.
  479. [13:25:32]  <mime>  I am contemplating the point as we speak.
  480. [13:25:35]  <MrWonderful>    3 people died in yesterday's rare Hurricane that struck Ireland
  481. [13:26:22]  <The_M> nah Fred, he is trying to insult me, calling me names and such
  482. [13:26:37]  <Fred_Norris>   IK, yeah... I chatted with Mora, my token Dublin friend, last night on facebook. She said it was pretty wild.
  483. [13:27:00]  <Fred_Norris>   The_M, that is why I keep it on ignore.
  484. [13:27:33]  <mime>  I find that it weird that The_M can claim much smarter people than himself is "misguided" in a question of science which The_M arguably knows very little about
  485. [13:28:15]  <The_M> whats that question mime?
  486. [13:28:17]  <Fred_Norris>   He's irrelevant.
  487. [13:28:25]  <mime>  Yeah...
  488. [13:29:11]  <mime>  The more times I state this, the more apparent it become that everyone finds it weird that The_M can claim much smarter people than himself is "misguided" in a question of science which he himself arguably knows very little about.
  489. [13:29:35]  <Fred_Norris>   If everyone else in real life has ostracized him to chatting online 18 hours a day, there is no reason why I should give him an audience.
  490. [13:29:55]  <The_M> thats a fair analysis
  491. [13:30:25]  <MrWonderful>    Yozzie, It was Ireland's first hurricane in a half century
  492. [13:30:30]  <Fred_Norris>   Yup
  493. [13:31:02]  <The_M> you can just imagine him, shying away from any contact, for fear of being called an ideeot to his face
  494. [13:31:10]  <Fred_Norris>   Speaking of real life. I have to go get ready for work.
  495. [13:31:14]  <The_M> so he comes in here to be called that on IRC
  496. [13:31:15]  <mime>  I think its good and fair to give The_M the benefit of doubt.
  497. [13:31:20]  <The_M> have fun Fred
  498. [13:31:24]  <mime>  Thus we must assume he speaks out of ignorance, and not of conviction.
  499. [13:31:26]  <MrWonderful>   have a great day
  500. [13:32:02]  <Fred_Norris>   Work, it's that place normal people go who aren't such annoying ass-holes that they pay you to be there mime.
  501. [13:32:14]  <mime>  It is, after all, not very smart to claim much smarter people than ourself is misguided in topics which we know very little about.
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  503. [13:32:58]  <MrWonderful>   mime, you're like a broken record
  504. [13:33:15]  <mime>  I think its important to make this valid point clear and open.
  505. [13:33:18]  <The_M> well its all ad hominem
  506. [13:33:22]  <mime>  Not at all.
  507. [13:33:27]  <mime>  It apply to everyone, as demonstrated.
  508. [13:33:28]  <The_M> there is never any substance to it
  509. [13:33:48]  <The_M> its strawmanning, ad hominems, and then he declares victory
  510. [13:33:54]  <mime>  Absolutely not an ad hominem, nor a strawman.
  511. [13:33:57]  <MrWonderful>   please ban mime for incessant douchebaggery
  512. [13:34:10]  <mime>  The_M addressed the opinions of much smarter people than himself, and called it erroneous.
  513. [13:34:20]  <mime>  Therefor my point is neither an ad hom, nor a strawman.
  514. [13:34:47]  <MrWonderful>   mime you're sickening
  515. [13:34:54]  <The_M> hmmm
  516. [13:35:02]  <The_M> well
  517. [13:35:04]  <mime>  I am sorry, but no one is sickening for merely proving a valid point.
  518. [13:35:09]  <mime>  Then you have some personal issues.
  519. [13:35:10]  <The_M> I have the facts on my side though
  520. [13:35:14]  <mime>  Not interested in those...
  521. [13:35:23]  <The_M> ah, that explains a lot
  522. [13:35:32]  <MrWonderful>   no one gives a rat's ass what you think
  523. [13:35:44]  <mime>  I know that you think you are justified in your beliefs, The_M. But I am not speaking about the validity of your atheism.
  524. [13:36:00]  <mime>  I am speaking of the validity of your justification in this specific regard for your (and general) atheism.
  525. [13:36:00]  <The_M> oh, well, its very valid
  526. [13:36:11]  <mime>  I am aware, The_M - I am making the points.
  527. [13:36:15]  <mime>  My points are always valid...
  528. [13:36:19]  <mime>  And very sophisticated...
  529. [13:36:21]  <The_M> a specific regard?
  530. [13:36:25]  <The_M> LOL
  531. [13:36:36]  <mime>  The_M Read what I said one more time.
  532. [13:37:04]  <MrWonderful>   mime you suffer from Grandiloquia
  533. [13:37:18]  <mime>  <The_M>    he was a child of his time
  534. [13:37:19]  <The_M> just because someone is smart, does not mean they cant make mistakes, there are lots of smart people that believe in gods
  535. [13:37:22]  <mime>  (he =løvehjertet).
  536. [13:37:23]  <The_M> yes mime
  537. [13:37:27]  <The_M> a child of his time
  538. [13:37:29]  <mime>  <The_M>    a poor misguided christian
  539. [13:37:48]  <The_M> in the past most scientists were christians, thats no longer the case
  540. [13:37:51]  <mime>  The_M Yes, exactly my point.
  541. [13:38:26]  <The_M> thats not because we are now smarter, we are just better informed, and religion has less worldly power
  542. [13:38:31]  <mime>  Just because someone is smart, do not mean they cant make mistakes.
  543. [13:38:36]  <mime>  That is why The_M is making an invalid argument.
  544. [13:38:42]  <The_M> you can profess to be an atheist, without being burned at the stake
  545. [13:38:58]  <mime>  The_M is saying that to be a Christian, is dumb.
  546. [13:39:08]  <mime>  The_M Hopefully that will change.
  547. [13:39:49]  <The_M> strawman
  548. [13:39:56]  <mime>  We cant have amoral atheists in society, you know.
  549. [13:39:57]  <The_M> thats not what I said, and not what I meant
  550. [13:40:04]  <mime>  Look at what they do; free abortion, sin and sodomy.
  551. [13:40:17]  <The_M> whats wrong with sodomy?
  552. [13:40:18]  <bumps> and i thought joey was disingenuous.
  553. [13:40:29]  <The_M> oh you havent met mime?
  554. [13:40:45]  <mime>  The_M You dont know whats wrong with sodomy?
  555. [13:41:02]  <The_M> bumps, allow me to introduce mime, the resident nazi of #scripture
  556. [13:41:04]  <bumps> circular, obtuse, annoying
  557. [13:41:09]  <The_M> no mime, I dont
  558. [13:41:18]  <bumps> yeah, i smelled that on him too
  559. [13:41:24]  <mime>  The_M Then why has it been looked upon as it has through the ages?
  560. [13:41:29]  <bumps> krishna and joey biproduct
  561. [13:41:34]  <mime>  The_M Certainly not everyone look at it from a religious view.
  562. [13:41:37]  <mime>  Like doctors.
  563. [13:41:44]  <@pete->    The_M, could you please stop uncalled for name calling and insults? :/
  564. [13:41:55]  <The_M> bullocks pete
  565. [13:41:57]  <The_M> hairy bullocks
  566. [13:42:01]  <bumps> what an unholy mutant
  567. [13:42:23]  <mime>  My point is of course the clear winner of this "conversation".
  568. [13:42:24]  <The_M> oh I forgot to mention bumps, he is under the protection of the powers that be
  569. [13:42:26]  <The_M> LOL
  570. [13:42:26]  <mime>  (=instruction).
  571. [13:42:52]  <The_M> he can insult all day, but dont dare to say anything about him
  572. [13:42:57]  <The_M> pffffffff
  573. [13:43:08]  <mime>  Are we whining again?
  574. [13:43:23]  <mime>  I simply point out that its not smart to claim smart people are misguided in topics we know very little about.
  575. [13:43:41]  <mime>  And now The_M is whining his heart out to bumps and everyone which might give him a second of attention.
  576. [13:44:08]  <The_M> but we do know a lot mime
  577. [13:44:12]  <mime>  I cant do more than declare my Victory.
  578. [13:44:22]  <The_M> correct
  579. [13:44:26]  <mime>  The_M No, we know every little about everything.
  580. [13:44:34]  <The_M> you cant do more than that
  581. [13:44:43] pete- sets mode +b *!*oskar@194.88.143.*
  582. [13:44:43]  <@pete->    mime, I asked you to stop the antagonistic comments too many times, sorry 30 minutes :/
  583. [13:44:48]  <The_M> oh wow
  584. [13:45:07]  <The_M> lunch
  585. [13:45:24]  The_M is now known as The_M-afk
  586. [13:46:31]  ^-TheSaint-^ (~JamesBrow@adsl-98-93-224-178.owb.bellsouth.net) joined the channel
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