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  1. [10:34:54 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:06:49 pm] <~Lain|slp> i'll have a talk with john about this
  2. [10:34:54 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:06:53 p
  3. [10:35:08 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:10 pm] <~Lain|slp> >_>
  4. [10:35:18 pm] <~Apocalypse> Oh hell
  5. [10:35:19 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:06:49 pm] <~Lain|slp> i'll have a talk with john about this
  6. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:06:53 pm] <+Apocalypse> That's what valathar said.
  7. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:06:55 pm] <+Apocalypse> Lain
  8. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:01 pm] <+Apocalypse> This Valathar got rid of Absol
  9. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:10 pm] <~Lain|slp> >_>
  10. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:13 pm] <+Apocalypse> Got rid of Syntax with the "hacking the shell" thing
  11. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:18 pm] <+Apocalypse> Since Syntax was done
  12. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:24 pm] <+Apocalypse> He tried to get me too
  13. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:31 pm] <+Apocalypse> But I stayed and basically missed the whole event
  14. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:33 pm] <+Apocalypse> Now
  15. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:35 pm] <+Apocalypse> This ddos
  16. [10:35:20 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:07:42 pm] <~Lain|slp> ok so this Valth user is now my enemy
  17. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:25 pm] <~Lain|work> i'll have a nice long chat with john tommorow
  18. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:30 pm] <+Apocalypse> Thanks
  19. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:31 pm] <~Lain|work> please post logs via PM to me
  20. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:35 pm] <+Apocalypse> All?
  21. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:40 pm] <+Apocalypse> Hmm
  22. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:43 pm] <~Lain|work> any and all related to this guy
  23. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:48 pm] <+Apocalypse> Or the ones pertaining to the DDOS
  24. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:50 pm] <+Apocalypse> k
  25. [10:35:35 pm] <~Apocalypse> [08/13/08] [09:08:58 pm] <~Lain|work> i'll read them when i get back
  26. [10:35:41 pm] <~Apocalypse> It seems Lain is annoyed
  27. [10:35:45 pm] <~Apocalypse> I told him of Absol
  28. [10:35:47 pm] <~Apocalypse> And you
  29. [10:35:48 pm] <~Apocalypse> and now me
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  36. [09:49:04 pm] * Now talking in #Admin
  37. [09:49:04 pm] * Topic is ' Welcome To #Admin, Please state your needs and an Op will assist you as soon as one is available'
  38. [09:49:04 pm] * Set by BabyAngel on Sun Jan 06 22:59:40
  39. [09:49:04 pm] * BabyAngel sets mode: +v Syntax
  40. [09:49:24 pm] * Syntax is now known as demon18730
  41. [09:49:40 pm] * demon18730 is now known as Mirror
  42. [09:49:53 pm] <+Mirror> <BabyAngel> not to be rude or hateful in any way but i frankly never saw any of his opers do anything but abuse and agrovate ppl
  43. [09:50:48 pm] <+Mirror> BabyAngel, explanation please
  44. [09:51:52 pm] * Joins: Valathar (dont@netadmin.angels-dream.com)
  45. [09:51:52 pm] <&Bruno> [Valathar] I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me.
  46. [09:51:52 pm] * Bruno sets mode: +ao Valathar Valathar
  47. [09:51:53 pm] * BabyAngel sets mode: +v Valathar
  48. [09:52:13 pm] <&Valathar> do we have an issue syntax
  49. [09:52:22 pm] <+Mirror> Yes we do
  50. [09:52:24 pm] <+Mirror> <BabyAngel> not to be rude or hateful in any way but i frankly never saw any of his opers do anything but abuse and agrovate ppl
  51. [09:53:07 pm] <&Valathar> yes we do have a issue apparently becouse one of said opers ddosed the servers today
  52. [09:54:39 pm] <+Mirror> I know you're referring to Apoc. How exactly did he ddos the server?
  53. [09:55:38 pm] <&Valathar> the how i do not know the only thing i do know is after he was banned there was a ddos aimed at every server linked here including the one on my home ip
  54. [09:55:48 pm] <&Valathar> and im not fucking happy
  55. [09:56:13 pm] <+Mirror> and I'm obviously overjoyed.
  56. [09:56:24 pm] <~BabyAngel> my statement was purposly without names and simply ment that i've never even seen so much as a rehash when ther servers split come from Johns server, it wasn't aimed at you or John
  57. [09:57:09 pm] <&Valathar> the noop is a temporary measure until i speak with john over the incident the reason for the measure is so the edited server ips cannot be gained via an oper
  58. [09:57:10 pm] <~BabyAngel> if i had an issue with you or John i would speak to you about it
  59. [09:57:17 pm] <&Valathar> its not becouse or aimed at you
  60. [09:57:31 pm] <&Valathar> frankly i dont know you and see you very rarely
  61. [09:57:52 pm] <+Mirror> oh, I haven't even tried to oper up. Good to know the serv is nooped though
  62. [09:58:19 pm] <~BabyAngel> but we have gotten many complants about Apocalypse
  63. [09:58:42 pm] <&Valathar> yes its in noop mode to mask some edited server ips which dont have a dns pointed and mask my changed home ip as well from abusive attempts
  64. [10:00:40 pm] <~BabyAngel> from what i've seen you catch as much hell as anybody else from some of the lets say more boisterous chatters
  65. [10:01:04 pm] <+Mirror> BabyAngel, what complaints on Apoc
  66. [10:01:14 pm] <&Valathar> if you want to consider this a personal attack then i honestly at this point could care less it wasnt targeted at you but w/e u wish to think becouse the only thing keeping me from issuing a jupiter now is respect enough to talk with john first
  67. [10:01:55 pm] <&Valathar> as far as complaints concerning other opers thats between pachy us and the oper in question and will be addressed as such
  68. [10:02:02 pm] <+Mirror> It's good to know you care so much about what an oper that *hasn't* abused power yet thinks
  69. [10:03:00 pm] <&Valathar> but tbh the timing of the ddos was too convenient after he clearly stated in his exact words "if i get banned its world war 3 i will own this network"
  70. [10:03:54 pm] <&Valathar> if it was cooincidental then he hung himself with that statement yesterday
  71. [10:04:03 pm] <&Valathar> or was it yesterday
  72. [10:04:08 pm] <&Valathar> meh my days run together
  73. [10:04:45 pm] <&Valathar> but anyways i came to clear up that there were no accusations against you really most users dont even know your there
  74. [10:05:42 pm] <+Mirror> Possibly because I don't abuse sajoin people to places or abuse on other colorful ways
  75. [10:05:48 pm] <+Mirror> *in
  76. [10:06:03 pm] <+Mirror> which I've witnessed firsthand most opers doing
  77. [10:07:28 pm] <&Valathar> the usage of sajoin was a consentual act between oper and user and if you have an issue with my conduct then keep having it becouse well frankly idk
  78. [10:07:44 pm] <&Valathar> -k +c
  79. [10:07:58 pm] <+Mirror> Once again saying you don't care what I think.
  80. [10:08:00 pm] <+Mirror> Nice.
  81. [10:08:39 pm] <&Valathar> ya know what
  82. [10:08:48 pm] <&Valathar> much better
  83. [10:09:12 pm] <+Mirror> <+Apocalypse> So, you did not want him to sajoin you like that?
  84. [10:09:12 pm] <+Mirror> <@LightRai> no, it was really lagging up mIRC and I couldn't do much for the next moment
  85. [10:09:12 pm] <+Mirror> <+Apocalypse> Did he give you any warning?
  86. [10:09:12 pm] <+Mirror> <@LightRai> nope
  87. [10:09:53 pm] <&Valathar> and i can provide logs otherwise but frankly
  88. [10:10:12 pm] <&Valathar> it is none of your concern this is between me pachy and apoc
  89. [10:10:47 pm] <+Mirror> then perhaps you should un-gzline at least temporarily so you two can discuss it
  90. [10:10:58 pm] <+Mirror> Since it's obvious you don't care what I say/do/think
  91. [10:12:12 pm] * Mirror is now known as Syntax
  92. [10:12:27 pm] <&Valathar> tbh the original ban was merely to stop the flood as i had one of the network servers running on this machine the second one which will stick till john is online was becouse as a oper he should have the respect not to evade bans
  93. [10:12:38 pm] <&Valathar> which he didnt so its sticking till johns online
  94. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <LightRai> but in terms of screwing around with people without them knowing
  95. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <LightRai> lol
  96. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <LightRai> here I'll do it cause I'm bored
  97. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <Sanosuke> Oh.
  98. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <Sanosuke> There it is.
  99. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <Felly> I'd rather not. ;_;
  100. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <LightRai> as long as you reverse damage later
  101. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] <LightRai> lol
  102. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:44] * Felly hides under the couch.
  103. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Valathar> wanna see another good one LightRai?
  104. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] * LightRai doesn't just touch the shun stick, he slaps it
  105. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] * Sanosuke takes the couch with him to watch Star Wars.
  106. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Sanosuke> >_>
  107. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <LightRai> sure
  108. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Sanosuke> bbl
  109. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Felly> =o
  110. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] * Aurora (Roxas101@Angels-Dream-C35B581.dsl.comporium.net) Quit ( will you marry me Felly?)
  111. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] -irc.angels-dream.com- *** Notice -- Client exiting at dreamlight.zapto.org: Aurora!Roxas101@67-197-40-175.dsl.comporium.net ( will you marry me Felly?)
  112. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] -irc.angels-dream.com- *** Global -- from OperServ: Valathar used RAW command for svskill
  113. [10:14:50 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] -irc.angels-dream.com- *** Notice -- Client connecting at dreamlight.zapto.org: Aurora (Roxas101@67-197-40-175.dsl.comporium.net)
  114. [10:14:51 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] * Aurora (Roxas101@Angels-Dream-C35B581.dsl.comporium.net) has joined #teamblaze
  115. [10:14:51 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <LightRai> Val, FYI, I'm your guinea pig
  116. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <LightRai> lol
  117. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <LightRai> nice
  118. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Valathar> lol
  119. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Felly> Ew.
  120. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <Felly> No.
  121. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <BabyAngel> :O
  122. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <LightRai> if you wanna mess around, pull it on me
  123. [10:15:16 pm] <~BabyAngel> [17:45] <LightRai> it's fun
  124. [10:15:56 pm] <&Valathar> thus consenting act between oper and user
  125. [10:24:54 pm] <+Syntax> I'm on the phone with Pachy
  126. [10:25:07 pm] <+Syntax> he says he wants DL un-nooped
  127. [10:25:43 pm] <&Valathar> then tell him to come speak with me until then its in noop
  128. [10:25:46 pm] <+Syntax> and he's giving me instructions on what to do about apocalypse
  129. [10:26:31 pm] <+Syntax> ok, he's driving home and will be on shortly
  130. [10:26:54 pm] <&Valathar> very well and he is free to call me if he wishes
  131. [10:26:58 pm] <&Valathar> he should have my #
  132. [10:27:27 pm] <+Syntax> he says he doesn't
  133. [10:27:47 pm] <&Valathar> 501 358 4350
  134. [10:30:50 pm] <+Syntax> woohoo for raining
  135. [10:30:56 pm] <+Syntax> anyhoo, Pachy just got home
  136. [10:31:30 pm] <~BabyAngel> i take it you've not had much rain either
  137. [10:31:47 pm] <+Syntax> actually we've had plenty, just wasn't expecting it this late
  138. [10:31:54 pm] <+Syntax> it's usually afternoon showers
  139. [10:31:54 pm] <~BabyAngel> ahhh ok
  140. [10:32:11 pm] <~BabyAngel> those tend to make things hotter tho
  141. [10:32:19 pm] <+Syntax> ooooh ya
  142. [10:32:54 pm] <~BabyAngel> that's no good but nice evening rains are good and cooling
  143. [10:33:14 pm] <+Syntax> I would stand outside if hell wasn't about to break loose in a few minutes
  144. [10:34:33 pm] <~BabyAngel> yeah them flames get hot
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  153. [10:45:15 pm] -dreamlight.zapto.org- *** Notice -- This server is no longer in NOOP mode
  154. [10:45:55 pm] -dreamlight.zapto.org- *** You were forced to join #dia
  155. [10:45:55 pm] * Now talking in #DIA
  156. [10:45:55 pm] * Topic is 'John When you Return one of your Opers Ddos'ed my home connection we need to talk'
  157. [10:45:55 pm] * Set by Valathar on Wed Aug 13 20:48:12
  158. [10:45:55 pm] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao Syntax Syntax
  159. [10:45:55 pm] <~Pachy> .��WB (Syntax) WB��. - ( %Syntax ) My week is sleep, sleep, work, eat, work, walk, sleep, IRC, IRC, sleep, work, work, hire hookers, play pranks on little schoolgirls, and prank call Apoc repeatedly
  160. [10:46:25 pm] <~Pachy> Yes, Syntax is a good oper in that regard, He rarely ever flexes his power
  161. [10:46:45 pm] <~Pachy> He's one of the best opers I've had thus far.
  162. [10:47:03 pm] <~Pachy> As for apoc, he's alright but he is a bit over eager and impulsive
  163. [10:47:05 pm] <BabyAngel> i've never even seen him argue with Adam and that says alot for him
  164. [10:47:11 pm] <~Pachy> Indeed
  165. [10:47:21 pm] <~Pachy> Adam even gets on my nerves XD
  166. [10:47:35 pm] <BabyAngel> cuz we all know nobody works a nerve like Adam does
  167. [10:47:40 pm] * ~Pachy nods
  168. [10:47:42 pm] <&Valathar> and Syntax i know you took offense to my i dont care statement but ill reitterate i was in the middle of dealing with a Ddos
  169. [10:47:46 pm] <&Valathar> i did not care
  170. [10:48:06 pm] <&Valathar> it wasnt just you it was everyone who distracted me from my work
  171. [10:48:59 pm] <BabyAngel> and so that you have a little more background i'm terminally ill and right now stressed well beyond my limits frankly typing tires me out at this point
  172. [10:50:26 pm] <~Pachy> [09:48:41] ( Apocalypse ) Sending a ddos
  173. [10:50:26 pm] <~Pachy> [09:48:51] ( Pachy ) I've cleared your name on the DDoS
  174. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:48:59] ( Apocalypse ) According to BabyAngel I abuse regularly.
  175. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:05] ( Apocalypse ) And aggitate people
  176. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:12] ( Pachy ) Just do it so your name can be properly cleared >_>
  177. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:19] ( Apocalypse ) Why?
  178. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:26] ( Pachy ) I intend to clear up all these accusations
  179. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:26] ( Apocalypse ) So I can have my modem killed again?
  180. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:31] ( Pachy ) oh?
  181. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:38] ( Pachy ) You go ddosed too?
  182. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:43] ( Apocalypse ) I disconnected after 5 sajoins.
  183. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:50] ( Apocalypse ) Something else was about.
  184. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:53] ( Pachy ) ouch
  185. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:56] ( Pachy ) ok
  186. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:56] ( Apocalypse ) Earlier
  187. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:58] ( Pachy ) one sec
  188. [10:50:27 pm] <~Pachy> [09:49:59] ( Apocalypse ) My modem restarted
  189. [10:50:28 pm] <~Pachy> [09:50:02] ( Apocalypse ) Without warning.
  190. [10:50:49 pm] <~Pachy> According to him, He was struck too by the DDoS
  191. [10:50:54 pm] <~Pachy> So..
  192. [10:50:57 pm] <~Pachy> Apparently
  193. [10:50:59 pm] <BabyAngel> interesting
  194. [10:51:02 pm] <~Pachy> yes
  195. [10:51:14 pm] <~Pachy> He wouldnt have been affected if he was doing it.
  196. [10:51:28 pm] <~Pachy> [09:50:39] ( Apocalypse ) That was earlier
  197. [10:51:28 pm] <~Pachy> [09:50:43] ( Apocalypse ) It was today though
  198. [10:51:28 pm] <~Pachy> [09:50:46] ( Apocalypse ) Hmm
  199. [10:51:28 pm] <~Pachy> [09:50:50] ( Apocalypse ) Before this however.
  200. [10:51:28 pm] <~Pachy> [09:50:54] ( Apocalypse ) 3-4ish
  201. [10:52:10 pm] <~Pachy> So something WAS affot.
  202. [10:52:13 pm] <~Pachy> *affot
  203. [10:52:17 pm] <~Pachy> *afoot
  204. [10:52:17 pm] <~Pachy> XD
  205. [10:52:20 pm] <~Pachy> damn I cant spell
  206. [10:52:28 pm] <BabyAngel> hmmmmmm well i can only think of one other option and that would be somebody here watching and reporting to a third party
  207. [10:53:02 pm] <~Pachy> I bet subki has something to do with this >_>
  208. [10:53:07 pm] <BabyAngel> but it would be real hard to get all the IP's at once good gawd apok has like 150 listed
  209. [10:53:24 pm] <~Pachy> Dunno
  210. [10:53:37 pm] <&Valathar> eh not too hard rly
  211. [10:53:46 pm] <~Pachy> True
  212. [10:53:56 pm] <&Valathar> ip record changes on wireless
  213. [10:54:00 pm] <&Valathar> are very common
  214. [10:54:03 pm] <BabyAngel> ok question
  215. [10:54:15 pm] <~Pachy> We should implement the os notinchanlist module so we can fight off idlebots
  216. [10:54:20 pm] <&Valathar> but theres a possibility the ddos issues was simply vconvenient timing
  217. [10:54:22 pm] <BabyAngel> would that account for connections from PS?
  218. [10:54:28 pm] <~Pachy> ?
  219. [10:54:31 pm] <~Pachy> Hm?
  220. [10:54:32 pm] <&Valathar> as we have had alot of purplesurge traffic recently
  221. [10:54:35 pm] <~Pachy> Those?
  222. [10:54:57 pm] <~Pachy> Ah I invited a few friends to DREAMLIGHT server
  223. [10:55:06 pm] <~Pachy> but I didnt disclose the other servers
  224. [10:55:08 pm] <&Valathar> some of which i dismiss some that have come to start shit
  225. [10:55:16 pm] <BabyAngel> we've had connections from the purplesurge server it's self
  226. [10:55:22 pm] <~Pachy> O_O
  227. [10:55:26 pm] <~Pachy> seriously?
  228. [10:55:32 pm] <~Pachy> that's wierd......
  229. [10:55:44 pm] <BabyAngel> Uh Huh
  230. [10:55:49 pm] <&Valathar> and its not uncommon knowledge someone in particular who frequent theyre and ircunion has a haedon for attacking me and those attached to me
  231. [10:55:52 pm] <~Pachy> Which IPs and server names?
  232. [10:56:15 pm] <~Pachy> I will be speaking to Legend
  233. [10:56:23 pm] <&Valathar> dont make us loghunt weve had a srsly long day :S
  234. [10:56:31 pm] <~Pachy> WE should get him involved.
  235. [10:56:53 pm] <&Valathar> its not PS staff involved to my knowledge
  236. [10:56:57 pm] <BabyAngel> i only remember because they struck me as strange
  237. [10:57:25 pm] <~Pachy> I hate to ask you yo loghunt but can you please when you feel like it? Not now but when you feel better, tomorrow maybe, bad idea to rush an investigation anyhow
  238. [10:57:27 pm] <&Valathar> and frankly alot of the attacks have come from a single user who evades bans alot under different nicks to come here
  239. [10:57:32 pm] <~Pachy> oh?
  240. [10:57:37 pm] <~Pachy> Who?
  241. [10:57:40 pm] <&Valathar> whom is primarily a issue from ircunion
  242. [10:57:44 pm] <~Pachy> I see
  243. [10:57:51 pm] <~Pachy> Spanky?
  244. [10:57:52 pm] <&Valathar> in which he is staff and the other staff doesnt care
  245. [10:57:58 pm] <&Valathar> no i like spanky
  246. [10:58:01 pm] <~Pachy> ah
  247. [10:58:02 pm] <&Valathar> spankys cool
  248. [10:58:06 pm] <~Pachy> yeah
  249. [10:58:15 pm] <&Valathar> undercover or whatever his name is
  250. [10:58:38 pm] <~Pachy> Subki.
  251. [10:58:39 pm] <&Valathar> the sri lanka fucker that comes here to start trouble
  252. [10:58:43 pm] <~Pachy> Yeah...
  253. [10:58:47 pm] <~Pachy> that mofo
  254. [10:58:59 pm] * BabyAngel jusr swts back and takes notes because frankly she feels more dead than alive
  255. [10:59:00 pm] <~Pachy> I g:line him when I see him
  256. [10:59:30 pm] <~Pachy> One thing I want to bring up Val
  257. [10:59:38 pm] <~Pachy> I am told by apoc and syntax both
  258. [10:59:50 pm] <~Pachy> you were excessively SAjoining users
  259. [11:00:00 pm] <&Valathar> a single user who agreed beforehand
  260. [11:00:11 pm] <~Pachy> Now I'm not one to question things but....I had to ask about it
  261. [11:00:22 pm] <&Valathar> moment
  262. [11:00:22 pm] <~Pachy> Lightrai?
  263. [11:00:30 pm] * Joins: LightRai (kingsky99@the.ultimate.darkforce.incontrovertible.ownage.affinity.reaper)
  264. [11:00:35 pm] <&Valathar> LightRai
  265. [11:00:40 pm] <LightRai> yessir
  266. [11:00:43 pm] <&Valathar> i needs a witness and your it
  267. [11:00:48 pm] <LightRai> affirmative
  268. [11:00:56 pm] <&Valathar> did u not give me permission to fuck with you
  269. [11:01:02 pm] <LightRai> yes I did
  270. [11:01:04 pm] <~Pachy> kk
  271. [11:01:08 pm] <~Pachy> That's cleared.
  272. [11:01:09 pm] <LightRai> but I forgot to mention something
  273. [11:01:10 pm] <LightRai> lol
  274. [11:01:23 pm] <~Pachy> LightRai can you calm Presea down?
  275. [11:01:28 pm] <LightRai> but I mean, everything is fine now....sure
  276. [11:01:29 pm] <&Valathar> and the lag factor i didnt know would hiyt him that hard typically it takes 500+ to lag and he was hit with 100
  277. [11:01:46 pm] <LightRai> the 150 I was hit with lagged me up pretty bad
  278. [11:01:51 pm] <&Valathar> 100
  279. [11:01:53 pm] <LightRai> 100
  280. [11:01:55 pm] <LightRai> :P
  281. [11:02:01 pm] <~Pachy> PRobably because we got DDoSed at that moment
  282. [11:02:04 pm] <&Valathar> i know it felt like more
  283. [11:02:10 pm] <~Pachy> I've noticed we've been slow lately
  284. [11:02:44 pm] <~Pachy> I've been lagging more than I usually do and my modem's signal is fine because I'm getting my full 1.5mbps speed according to my last speedtest
  285. [11:02:54 pm] <&Valathar> but LightRai can attest to the fact the log that BabyAngel showed Syntax concerning the incident was genuine
  286. [11:03:02 pm] <&Valathar> same one i paste u in pm LightRai
  287. [11:03:10 pm] <LightRai> yeah i's genuine
  288. [11:03:27 pm] <~Pachy> kk
  289. [11:03:28 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:43] ( Apocalypse ) I am on Dreamlight.
  290. [11:03:28 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:11] ( Apocalypse ) I have verified it was not my anti-sajoin flood script that triggered.
  291. [11:03:28 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:14] ( Apocalypse ) As it was commented out.
  292. [11:03:28 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:29] ( Apocalypse ) It is peculiar that I disconnect so earlier.
  293. [11:03:28 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:31] ( Apocalypse ) hmm
  294. [11:03:28 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:38] ( Pachy ) hmm
  295. [11:03:29 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:41] ( Apocalypse ) I believe the DDOS started before I did anything.
  296. [11:03:29 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:44] ( Pachy ) yeah
  297. [11:03:29 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:45] ( Apocalypse ) With the sajoin that is.
  298. [11:03:33 pm] <&Valathar> ty i will now remove you from the stand if nobody objects?
  299. [11:03:39 pm] * Joins: Apocalypse (Apocalypse@The.End.of.the.Universe)
  300. [11:03:39 pm] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao Apocalypse Apocalypse
  301. [11:03:46 pm] <~Pachy> no objection here
  302. [11:03:48 pm] <LightRai> Nice of you to come back Apoc
  303. [11:03:49 pm] <LightRai> :P
  304. [11:03:49 pm] <~Pachy> carry on
  305. [11:03:54 pm] <&Apocalypse> With what?
  306. [11:04:03 pm] <~Pachy> was talking to LightRai
  307. [11:04:05 pm] <~Pachy> XD
  308. [11:04:07 pm] <&Valathar> okay the witness will now be removed
  309. [11:04:08 pm] <&Apocalypse> oh
  310. [11:04:12 pm] * Parts: LightRai (kingsky99@the.ultimate.darkforce.incontrovertible.ownage.affinity.reaper)
  311. [11:04:21 pm] <~Pachy> Apoc lets hear your side of the story as you told me
  312. [11:04:39 pm] <&Apocalypse> Lightrai was being sajoined to $ticks
  313. [11:05:00 pm] <&Apocalypse> Quite excessively that is.
  314. [11:05:09 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:18] ( &Valathar ) LightRai
  315. [11:05:09 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:23] ( LightRai ) yessir
  316. [11:05:09 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:26] ( &Valathar ) i needs a witness and your it
  317. [11:05:09 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:31] ( LightRai ) affirmative
  318. [11:05:10 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:39] ( &Valathar ) did u not give me permission to fuck with you
  319. [11:05:10 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:45] ( LightRai ) yes I did
  320. [11:05:10 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:46] ( ~Pachy ) kk
  321. [11:05:10 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:51] ( ~Pachy ) That's cleared.
  322. [11:05:19 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:52] ( LightRai ) but I forgot to mention something
  323. [11:05:19 pm] <~Pachy> [10:00:53] ( LightRai ) lol
  324. [11:05:21 pm] <&Apocalypse> He told me otherwise.
  325. [11:05:33 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:28] ( LightRai ) the 150 I was hit with lagged me up pretty bad
  326. [11:05:33 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:33] ( &Valathar ) 100
  327. [11:05:33 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:36] ( LightRai ) 100
  328. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:37] ( LightRai ) :P
  329. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:44] ( ~Pachy ) PRobably because we got DDoSed at that moment
  330. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:47] ( &Valathar ) i know it felt like more
  331. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:01:53] ( ~Pachy ) I've noticed we've been slow lately
  332. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:27] ( ~Pachy ) I've been lagging more than I usually do and my modem's signal is fine because I'm getting my full 1.5mbps speed according to my last speedtest
  333. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:37] ( &Valathar ) but LightRai can attest to the fact the log that BabyAngel showed Syntax concerning the incident was genuine
  334. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:45] ( &Valathar ) same one i paste u in pm LightRai
  335. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:02:53] ( LightRai ) yeah i's genuine
  336. [11:05:34 pm] <~Pachy> [10:03:10] ( ~Pachy ) kk
  337. [11:05:56 pm] <&Valathar> i can provide the log or you can scroll back your tb log if you wish to dispute the permission factor?
  338. [11:05:59 pm] <~Pachy> Well at the time the DDoS was underway Am I correct?
  339. [11:06:05 pm] <&Apocalypse> I was hit with 5 sajoins
  340. [11:06:10 pm] <&Apocalypse> I disconnected after the 5th.
  341. [11:06:17 pm] <&Apocalypse> Verified it wasn't my script.
  342. [11:06:24 pm] <&Apocalypse> Got pissed cause of that.
  343. [11:06:28 pm] <&Valathar> well no ddos is logged on the routers till about ten minutes after apoc was removed
  344. [11:06:40 pm] <&Apocalypse> You said something after I reconnected that made me use my sajoin script.
  345. [11:06:47 pm] <&Apocalypse> Set it to 200, got to 146.
  346. [11:06:51 pm] <&Apocalypse> So says my notice.
  347. [11:07:23 pm] <&Apocalypse> [08/13/08][06:15 pm] -Apocalypse- Valathar survived 146
  348. [11:07:33 pm] <&Apocalypse> Notices how many they went through.
  349. [11:07:41 pm] <&Apocalypse> I disconnected at 146, due the the gzline.
  350. [11:07:46 pm] <~Pachy> Is it possible that the routers might have clicked off before or didnt log a DDoS until after because it was between waves?
  351. [11:07:55 pm] <~Pachy> Yeah
  352. [11:08:04 pm] <&Apocalypse> Would explain the computer almost dying.
  353. [11:08:08 pm] <&Apocalypse> Since ya..
  354. [11:08:09 pm] <~Pachy> True that
  355. [11:08:13 pm] <&Apocalypse> Sajoins normally don't kill
  356. [11:08:22 pm] <&Apocalypse> Mine is powerful as it makes you part as you join.
  357. [11:08:34 pm] <&Apocalypse> Due to some 89 channel limit I encountered awhile back.
  358. [11:08:41 pm] <&Apocalypse> 80 something.
  359. [11:08:52 pm] <~Pachy> Val, Why did you sajoin attack Apocalypse?
  360. [11:09:06 pm] <&Apocalypse> I said I had a better script.
  361. [11:09:11 pm] <~Pachy> That's what I'm curious about. Did Apoc give permission to you?
  362. [11:09:11 pm] <&Apocalypse> Then started to join them
  363. [11:09:13 pm] <&Apocalypse> Lagged
  364. [11:09:17 pm] <&Valathar> As i stated prior and ill repeat a 6th time
  365. [11:09:17 pm] <&Apocalypse> Disconnected.
  366. [11:09:46 pm] <~Pachy> ?
  367. [11:10:02 pm] <&Apocalypse> mIRC froze
  368. [11:10:09 pm] <&Apocalypse> Was odd that I died at only 5 though.
  369. [11:10:15 pm] <~Pachy> indeed.
  370. [11:10:34 pm] <&Apocalypse> Killed my connection
  371. [11:10:36 pm] <&Valathar> the original saspin aimed at him was becouse he commented on how his script was better and was dont to compare and the original gzline which i did from babys pc was simply to stop the flood becouse the server on my home pc was close to splitting becouse admittedly his sajoin flood script effective
  372. [11:10:36 pm] <~Pachy> Even my connection can handle 5 no problem at minimum signal
  373. [11:10:55 pm] <&Apocalypse> The sajoin script was to stop at 200.
  374. [11:11:07 pm] <&Apocalypse> If I remember right, LR hit around 150
  375. [11:11:08 pm] <~Pachy> Hmm,
  376. [11:11:15 pm] <&Apocalypse> Mine stopped right at 146
  377. [11:11:24 pm] <&Apocalypse> I was going to set it at 25
  378. [11:11:25 pm] <&Valathar> well the partalls added made it hurt a bit more concidering this pc's stats
  379. [11:11:26 pm] <&Apocalypse> But
  380. [11:11:29 pm] <&Apocalypse> hmm
  381. [11:11:32 pm] <&Valathar> 12,01System [14Phrack12]
  382. [11:11:32 pm] <&Valathar> 12,01RAM Usage:14 187/255MB (73.33%)�[|||||||---]
  383. [11:11:46 pm] <~Pachy> We have to remember that your server was splitting because of a DDoS Val
  384. [11:11:49 pm] <&Valathar> understandable yet?
  385. [11:11:57 pm] <&Apocalypse> And my laptop wasn't?
  386. [11:12:00 pm] <~Pachy> So the extra stress yes would make a split
  387. [11:12:02 pm] <&Valathar> Pachy no it wasnt
  388. [11:12:13 pm] <&Apocalypse> According to LR
  389. [11:12:17 pm] <&Apocalypse> The servers did not split.
  390. [11:12:24 pm] <&Apocalypse> I was not here, so I did not know.
  391. [11:12:25 pm] <~Pachy> Ah.
  392. [11:12:28 pm] <&Valathar> my home servers routing log doesnt show any traffic rise until 10 minutes after that ended
  393. [11:12:33 pm] <~Pachy> hmm.
  394. [11:12:40 pm] <&Valathar> which ill chalk up to just awkward timing
  395. [11:12:45 pm] <~Pachy> indeed.
  396. [11:12:50 pm] <&Apocalypse> Oh yes
  397. [11:12:59 pm] <&Valathar> but Apocalypse let me state this
  398. [11:13:00 pm] <&Apocalypse> I have multiple ddos tools stored on me
  399. [11:13:02 pm] <&Apocalypse> I am evil
  400. [11:13:03 pm] <&Apocalypse> Oh yes
  401. [11:13:19 pm] <&Valathar> the other day you said quote: it would be world war 3 if you ever ban me
  402. [11:13:28 pm] <~Pachy> Yes.
  403. [11:13:31 pm] <&Valathar> today your banned and immediatly after were ddosed
  404. [11:13:31 pm] <&Apocalypse> I said if anyone but Pachy does.
  405. [11:13:34 pm] <&Valathar> i dont know you
  406. [11:13:37 pm] <&Valathar> in my place
  407. [11:13:41 pm] <&Valathar> what would you thing
  408. [11:13:42 pm] <~Pachy> Apoc, remember what I told you?
  409. [11:13:45 pm] <&Valathar> *think
  410. [11:13:48 pm] <&Apocalypse> Yes.
  411. [11:14:02 pm] <&Apocalypse> You see, from what I've seen thus far
  412. [11:14:07 pm] <&Apocalypse> You're pushing Pachy's opers out.
  413. [11:14:13 pm] <&Apocalypse> Absol got removed for bullshit.
  414. [11:14:20 pm] <&Apocalypse> We got blamed instantle for hacking a shell.
  415. [11:14:26 pm] <&Apocalypse> Which made Syntax leave.
  416. [11:14:37 pm] <&Apocalypse> Now, magically a ddos attack occurs.
  417. [11:14:37 pm] <&Valathar> now hold the fuck up
  418. [11:14:41 pm] <~Pachy> Apoc...That was me doing standard investigation.
  419. [11:14:43 pm] <&Valathar> nobody was blamed
  420. [11:14:47 pm] <~Pachy> Exactly
  421. [11:14:49 pm] <&Valathar> everyone was investigated
  422. [11:14:52 pm] <&Apocalypse> Yes.
  423. [11:14:57 pm] <&Apocalypse> But did you remove your own opers?
  424. [11:15:00 pm] <~Pachy> Syntax did take it too personally however
  425. [11:15:01 pm] <&Valathar> you guys just took personal offense to being investigated
  426. [11:15:05 pm] <&Apocalypse> Hm
  427. [11:15:09 pm] <&Apocalypse> You did not remove your own opers.
  428. [11:15:12 pm] <&Apocalypse> You removed us.
  429. [11:15:19 pm] <~Pachy> No. I removed you two
  430. 11:15:27 pm] <&Valathar> and yes since the link i have deleted opers ive added for stepping out of line
  431. [11:15:29 pm] <~Pachy> I headed the investigation
  432. [11:15:35 pm] <&Apocalypse> Hmm
  433. [11:15:39 pm] <&Apocalypse> As for more shit.
  434. [11:15:45 pm] <&Apocalypse> Getting killed for joining a channel.
  435. [11:15:54 pm] <&Apocalypse> Having my bot killed twice.
  436. [11:15:57 pm] <&Apocalypse> One without warning.
  437. [11:16:04 pm] <&Apocalypse> There is such a thing as a kick.
  438. [11:16:08 pm] <~Pachy> That I reprimanded Val for myself.
  439. [11:16:12 pm] <&Apocalypse> And yes, you had access.
  440. [11:16:23 pm] <~Pachy> politely yes but I did get onto his case abnout that apoc
  441. [11:16:26 pm] <~Pachy> *About
  442. [11:16:32 pm] <&Apocalypse> You se
  443. [11:16:33 pm] <&Apocalypse> *see
  444. [11:16:36 pm] <&Valathar> it was mentioned in meeting you failed to attend the meeting for whatever reasons personal or otherwise is not my problem
  445. [11:16:43 pm] <~Pachy> Indeed.
  446. [11:16:48 pm] <&Apocalypse> The rule was not added for me to see.
  447. [11:16:54 pm] <&Apocalypse> No one informed me later.
  448. [11:16:59 pm] <&Valathar> as ive CLEARLY stated to everyone ignorance of the rules is not a valid excuse for breaking them
  449. [11:17:13 pm] <&Apocalypse> It was not ignorance.
  450. [11:17:17 pm] <&Apocalypse> How can I obey rules that are not there?
  451. [11:17:36 pm] <&Valathar> but future reference theyre are rules in place against joining a bot to a channel without the channel owners permission
  452. [11:17:42 pm] <&Apocalypse> Yes
  453. [11:17:46 pm] <&Apocalypse> But that kill was annoying.
  454. [11:17:55 pm] <&Apocalypse> It removed my bot from more than just those channels.
  455. [11:17:58 pm] <~Pachy> Apoc, I told you it was my fault for not telling you. I had full intention of briefing you and Syntax on the new rules that day but the incident occured before I could do so
  456. [11:18:00 pm] <&Apocalypse> That's abuse.
  457. [11:18:24 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse. I will decide what is abuse
  458. [11:18:28 pm] <~Pachy> The issues you are bringing up have already been addressed.
  459. [11:18:37 pm] <&Apocalypse> They have been blown off.
  460. [11:18:39 pm] <~Pachy> I ask you not to reopen those casefiles.
  461. [11:18:43 pm] <~Pachy> No they have not.
  462. [11:18:46 pm] <&Apocalypse> I'm gotten my ass busted multiple times for abuse.
  463. [11:18:55 pm] <~Pachy> I have taken appropriate measures.
  464. [11:18:56 pm] <&Apocalypse> Valathar has been flexing his powers daily.
  465. [11:19:02 pm] <&Apocalypse> You see
  466. [11:19:07 pm] <~Pachy> And I've busted some heads for picking at you
  467. [11:19:07 pm] <&Valathar> and i concider it abuse to join unknown bots to other peoples rooms without the owners express permission im sorry but the rule was added for a reason
  468. [11:19:07 pm] <&Apocalypse> Since Syntax left
  469. [11:19:15 pm] <&Apocalypse> I was the only SA on the network.
  470. [11:19:34 pm] <&Apocalypse> Valathar
  471. [11:19:37 pm] <&Apocalypse> You need to realize
  472. [11:19:38 pm] <~Pachy> Syntax hasnt really left. he merely went idle
  473. [11:19:43 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse.
  474. [11:19:45 pm] <&Apocalypse> Channel issues =/= network issues.
  475. [11:19:46 pm] <~Pachy> Stop.
  476. [11:19:55 pm] <&Apocalypse> Your worship TB
  477. [11:20:03 pm] <&Apocalypse> If they don't like someone
  478. [11:20:05 pm] <&Apocalypse> You line them.
  479. [11:20:09 pm] <~Pachy> Wrong.
  480. [11:20:10 pm] <&Valathar> no Apocalypse you need to realize these are in the network rules when theyre broken its a network issue
  481. [11:20:18 pm] <&Apocalypse> Valathar
  482. [11:20:18 pm] <~Pachy> Exactly
  483. [11:20:21 pm] <&Apocalypse> I checked the rules.
  484. [11:20:22 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  485. [11:20:23 pm] <&Apocalypse> Nothing.
  486. [11:20:27 pm] <&Apocalypse> I was told after about it.
  487. [11:20:31 pm] <~Pachy> They're not updated.
  488. [11:20:39 pm] <&Apocalypse> Yes
  489. [11:20:42 pm] <&Apocalypse> Then they are not there.
  490. [11:20:48 pm] * Pachy sets mode: +m
  491. [11:21:05 pm] * Pachy sets mode: -ao Apocalypse Apocalypse
  492. [11:21:11 pm] <~Pachy> Listen
  493. [11:21:27 pm] <~Pachy> The issues you are speaking of
  494. [11:21:33 pm] <~Pachy> have been addressed.
  495. [11:22:13 pm] * Pachy sets mode: -m
  496. [11:22:15 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  497. [11:22:20 pm] <Apocalypse> Hm?
  498. [11:22:24 pm] <~Pachy> You have been a bit overeager lately
  499. [11:22:35 pm] <Apocalypse> I'm tired of these links
  500. [11:22:37 pm] <Apocalypse> You are a coward.
  501. [11:22:40 pm] <Apocalypse> You back down
  502. [11:22:43 pm] <~Pachy> that's why Val has been a bit triggerhappy on you.
  503. [11:22:49 pm] <Apocalypse> Let the other servers rule your server.
  504. [11:22:54 pm] <~Pachy> I have not backed down from anything
  505. [11:22:57 pm] <~Pachy> Valathar
  506. [11:22:58 pm] <Apocalypse> You didn't stand up for Absol.
  507. [11:23:17 pm] <Apocalypse> And yet Blazaking can go around and abuse all he wants.
  508. [11:23:21 pm] <Apocalypse> He was not stopped.
  509. [11:23:26 pm] <Apocalypse> No one payed attention.
  510. [11:23:27 pm] <~Pachy> He was stopped
  511. [11:23:31 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes
  512. [11:23:35 pm] <Apocalypse> A long time after
  513. [11:23:44 pm] <~Pachy> His short reign of chaos was ended
  514. [11:23:49 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes
  515. [11:23:55 pm] <Apocalypse> Absol broke one so called rule.
  516. [11:23:58 pm] <Apocalypse> And got hit hard.
  517. [11:24:08 pm] <~Pachy> Valathar, How many times have I stood up for my opers?
  518. [11:24:11 pm] <Apocalypse> You didn't make Blazaking write 1000 times "I will not abuse"
  519. [11:24:15 pm] <~Pachy> Tell me how often I do it
  520. [11:24:20 pm] <~Pachy> *tell him
  521. [11:24:30 pm] <Apocalypse> You screwed over Absol.
  522. [11:24:33 pm] <&Valathar> a few times but there hasnt been alot of need to do it often
  523. [11:24:45 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  524. [11:24:50 pm] <Apocalypse> Listen
  525. [11:24:55 pm] <&Valathar> its not like i go to you everyday saying we have a problem with your opers
  526. [11:24:56 pm] <Apocalypse> How can you expect us to behave
  527. [11:25:00 pm] <&Valathar> its a rare occurance
  528. [11:25:02 pm] <~Pachy> Exactly
  529. [11:25:04 pm] <Apocalypse> When the NetAdmins do whatever the hell they want?
  530. [11:25:09 pm] <Apocalypse> Oh?
  531. [11:25:16 pm] <~Pachy> We dont merely do as we please.
  532. [11:25:20 pm] <Apocalypse> I remember BabyAngel stating that there are complaints daily
  533. [11:25:24 pm] <&Valathar> some opers Syntax for example most of the network forgets they exist due to thier long silences
  534. [11:25:27 pm] <Apocalypse> About me being abusive
  535. [11:25:32 pm] <Apocalypse> and aggitative
  536. [11:25:35 pm] <Apocalypse> I never talk
  537. [11:25:39 pm] <Apocalypse> How can I do anything?
  538. [11:25:43 pm] <&Syntax> I don't get involved in channel matters unless I have to
  539. [11:25:45 pm] <~Pachy> I was curious about that.....
  540. [11:26:01 pm] <Apocalypse> I idle in the oper channels and my own
  541. [11:26:06 pm] <Apocalypse> Rarely joining TB
  542. [11:26:07 pm] <Apocalypse> If I do
  543. [11:26:10 pm] <&Syntax> I deal with network and server stuff when I'm connected and can actually do something within my given power
  544. [11:26:16 pm] <~Pachy> BabyAngel? Care to share the complaints?
  545. [11:26:17 pm] <&Valathar> yes lets aknowledge this
  546. [11:26:25 pm] <Apocalypse> It's because their spamming up the log channel with /bs say
  547. [11:26:33 pm] <&Valathar> for one the word daily was never mentioned nor was your name
  548. [11:26:49 pm] <~Pachy> ??
  549. [11:26:50 pm] <Apocalypse> Then who was it intended for?
  550. [11:27:00 pm] <&Valathar> but to the point we have had complaints but they were namely pushed aside
  551. [11:27:07 pm] <~Pachy> ah
  552. [11:27:08 pm] <~Pachy> ok
  553. [11:27:24 pm] <&Valathar> but by no means daily
  554. [11:27:29 pm] <Apocalypse> <~BabyAngel> but we have gotten many complants about Apocalypse
  555. [11:27:32 pm] <Apocalypse> What about that?
  556. [11:27:34 pm] <BabyAngel> ummm correction i did not say that there were complaints daily i said there were complaints i put no time to it
  557. [11:27:34 pm] <Apocalypse> Answer that.
  558. [11:27:41 pm] <Apocalypse> hmm
  559. [11:27:43 pm] <Apocalypse> many
  560. [11:27:46 pm] <Apocalypse> Seems like a lot.
  561. [11:27:48 pm] <Apocalypse> -.-
  562. [11:27:48 pm] <&Syntax> as for users not knowing I'm here, it's because I firmly believe in letting channel operators do whatever they want on their channel unless it breaks network rules
  563. [11:27:55 pm] <Apocalypse> ya..
  564. [11:28:03 pm] <Apocalypse> And IRCops should not get involved
  565. [11:28:10 pm] <Apocalypse> Nor use IRCop commands to solve channel issues.
  566. [11:28:20 pm] <&Syntax> and I do pop in on TB on occasion to make sure everything is in check
  567. [11:28:25 pm] <Apocalypse> Unless they go beyond kick/bans.
  568. [11:28:31 pm] <~Pachy> However, Me, Valathar and BabyAngel are channel operators in #teamblaze
  569. [11:28:39 pm] <Apocalypse> [09:58:19 pm] <~BabyAngel> but we have gotten many complants about Apocalypse
  570. [11:28:43 pm] <Apocalypse> Syntax told me that.
  571. [11:28:45 pm] <Apocalypse> Explain.
  572. [11:29:12 pm] * Quits: &Valathar (dont@netadmin.angels-dream.com) (Connection reset by peer)
  573. [11:29:14 pm] <&Syntax> and being such Pachy, that entitles you to channel operator priveleges to solve matters, not IRCop powers (no I'm not accusing, merely stating my position on the matter)
  574. [11:29:35 pm] <BabyAngel> Apocalypse you are a bit on the abrasuve side you tend to intimadate ppl
  575. [11:30:06 pm] * Joins: Valathar (dont@netadmin.angels-dream.com)
  576. [11:30:06 pm] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao Valathar Valathar
  577. [11:30:28 pm] <&Valathar> speaking of ddos
  578. [11:30:28 pm] <~Pachy> Agreed. I often only flex oper powers when a network rule is violated
  579. [11:30:28 pm] <BabyAngel> ummm i don't have op status there that i know of
  580. [11:30:33 pm] <~Pachy> BabyAngel you have halfop
  581. [11:30:34 pm] <&Valathar> now imma get out what i have to say
  582. [11:31:11 pm] <BabyAngel> i tend to want the channel ops to deal with things
  583. [11:31:15 pm] <&Valathar> <Valathar> Apocalypse you seem to have a problem with just about everything and if you want to get your piss hot at me fine i feel no need to bow before your rule yopu seem to think i want to single you out
  584. [11:31:20 pm] <&Valathar> so lets say this
  585. [11:31:38 pm] <&Valathar> i know alot of you have been against johns links to other networks
  586. [11:31:44 pm] <BabyAngel> i will say when they all get screaming i do threaten them all with shuns
  587. [11:31:44 pm] <~Pachy> yes
  588. [11:31:47 pm] <&Valathar> i offer a free easy out no hard feelings
  589. [11:32:11 pm] <&Valathar> take it if you wanted i will not bow before another opers rule here
  590. [11:32:44 pm] <&Valathar> Pachy is of equal rank i respect him not becouse of that but becouse of friendship
  591. [11:32:49 pm] <BabyAngel> i take it i missed stuff while dinner was burning?
  592. [11:33:16 pm] * Quits: Apocalypse (Apocalypse@The.End.of.the.Universe) (NickServ (GHOST command used by Apocalypse2))
  593. [11:33:27 pm] <&Syntax> hmm
  594. [11:33:31 pm] <BabyAngel> how very odd
  595. [11:33:32 pm] * Joins: Apocalypse (Apocalypse@The.End.of.the.Universe)
  596. [11:33:32 pm] <&Syntax> he needs sajoined
  597. [11:33:36 pm] <&Syntax> ya, there we go
  598. [11:33:39 pm] <&Valathar> damnit do i have to paste all that
  599. [11:33:42 pm] <Apocalypse> blasted ddos
  600. [11:33:43 pm] <Apocalypse> lol
  601. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:31:15 pm] <&Valathar> <Valathar> Apocalypse you seem to have a problem with just about everything and if you want to get your piss hot at me fine i feel no need to bow before your rule yopu seem to think i want to single you out
  602. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:31:20 pm] <&Valathar> so lets say this
  603. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:31:38 pm] <&Valathar> i know alot of you have been against johns links to other networks
  604. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:31:44 pm] <BabyAngel> i will say when they all get screaming i do threaten them all with shuns
  605. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:31:44 pm] <~Pachy> yes
  606. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:31:47 pm] <&Valathar> i offer a free easy out no hard feelings
  607. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:32:11 pm] <&Valathar> take it if you wanted i will not bow before another opers rule here
  608. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:32:44 pm] <&Valathar> Pachy is of equal rank i respect him not becouse of that but becouse of friendship
  609. [11:33:49 pm] <&Syntax> [11:32:49 pm] <BabyAngel> i take it i missed stuff while dinner was burning?
  610. [11:33:54 pm] <&Syntax> there, you don't have to Val
  611. [11:34:15 pm] <BabyAngel> Val got Dc too
  612. [11:34:30 pm] <BabyAngel> so wth is going on?
  613. [11:34:34 pm] <Apocalypse> The reason why I have hated the other links
  614. [11:34:35 pm] <Apocalypse> Is that
  615. [11:34:44 pm] <Apocalypse> They seem to screw up the network
  616. [11:34:46 pm] <Apocalypse> well
  617. [11:34:49 pm] <Apocalypse> John's server.
  618. [11:34:54 pm] <~Pachy> IRCUnion was the only other link
  619. [11:35:00 pm] <Apocalypse> n2
  620. [11:35:02 pm] <Apocalypse> Rau
  621. [11:35:02 pm] <&Valathar> frankly we invited you guys to link here becouse of the problems with the other network i dont go in johns channels or other channels when not asked to merely becouse even though were linked were still seperate
  622. [11:35:04 pm] <Apocalypse> That fun
  623. [11:35:05 pm] <Apocalypse> -.-
  624. [11:35:17 pm] <&Valathar> the only dl channel i do join was becouse i was invited
  625. [11:35:29 pm] <~Pachy> indeed.
  626. [11:35:39 pm] <Apocalypse> I've seen a lot of abuse.
  627. [11:35:42 pm] <&Syntax> I want to point out I wasn't informed of the linking until after the fact, since I refused oper on IRCunion
  628. [11:35:43 pm] <Apocalypse> The 30 day shuns.
  629. [11:35:46 pm] <Apocalypse> kills
  630. [11:35:50 pm] <Apocalypse> Bugged me
  631. [11:35:54 pm] <Apocalypse> That last sajoin
  632. [11:35:57 pm] <Apocalypse> On a user
  633. [11:36:05 pm] <~Pachy> WHo consented to it.
  634. [11:36:06 pm] <Apocalypse> Well, after the fact
  635. [11:36:12 pm] <Apocalypse> He was not warned.
  636. [11:36:23 pm] <Apocalypse> Nor did he consent to excessive sajoins
  637. [11:36:35 pm] <~Pachy> But...lag caused a far greater effect than expected.
  638. [11:36:42 pm] <Apocalypse> He said it was alright after the 1st 10
  639. [11:36:47 pm] <Apocalypse> But he said it kept on going
  640. [11:36:54 pm] <Apocalypse> And said it started to be abusive.
  641. [11:37:12 pm] <&Valathar> the shuns and kills all had valid reason and were typically removed within a few hours and what you call abuse i call enjoying myself as the chats supposed to be fun if a user objects to me playing with them i dont and nothing extreme is done without the users permission
  642. [11:37:16 pm] <Apocalypse> Then I got sajoined.
  643. [11:37:19 pm] <&Valathar> and how is that abusibve
  644. [11:37:33 pm] <Apocalypse> You're taking channel issues to a network level.
  645. [11:37:41 pm] <~Pachy> No he isnt.
  646. [11:37:45 pm] <Apocalypse> A ban would've sufficed from the channel.
  647. [11:38:10 pm] <Apocalypse> I saw a recent kill for Lord-Harlot.
  648. [11:38:11 pm] <&Valathar> no it IS network policy \to enforce on harrassment and prejudices
  649. [11:38:19 pm] <~Pachy> it is
  650. [11:38:20 pm] <&Valathar> whether it occured in a channelk or not
  651. [11:38:23 pm] <&Valathar> its a networkj issue
  652. [11:38:31 pm] <Apocalypse> What about Lord-Harlot?
  653. [11:38:35 pm] <Apocalypse> I saw a kill.
  654. [11:38:35 pm] <~Pachy> I will decline the offer to delink...Apocalypse, Syntax... I know that you guys were frustrated that I did not consult you two more when making decisions to link but you guys have been less than active and present anyways due to the fact that you guys were mad at the linking but I think Syntax and Apocalypse must both learn to trust you Valathar.
  655. [11:38:37 pm] <&Valathar> yes he was killed
  656. [11:38:40 pm] <&Valathar> for his nick
  657. [11:38:42 pm] <BabyAngel> ok stop this is going no where fast
  658. [11:38:45 pm] <Apocalypse> Did you warn him?
  659. [11:38:55 pm] <&Valathar> Z is a nick used on several networks for a services clients
  660. [11:39:02 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes
  661. [11:39:05 pm] <Apocalypse> He did not know that.
  662. [11:39:08 pm] <Apocalypse> He uses it elsewhere.
  663. [11:39:16 pm] <~Pachy> Purplesurge
  664. [11:39:18 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes.
  665. [11:39:20 pm] <Apocalypse> My server.
  666. [11:39:23 pm] <~Pachy> and I was going to report that myself
  667. [11:39:24 pm] <Apocalypse> Systemnet.
  668. [11:39:25 pm] <&Valathar> well its not my problem if he didnt know that
  669. [11:39:27 pm] <~Pachy> On PS
  670. [11:39:37 pm] <Apocalypse> Ask questions first.
  671. [11:39:46 pm] <Apocalypse> Prevents unwanted conflict.
  672. [11:39:49 pm] <~Pachy> As far as q:lined nicks that's not bad
  673. [11:39:53 pm] <&Valathar> Apocalypse
  674. [11:39:56 pm] <~Pachy> He was only killed not banned
  675. [11:39:58 pm] <&Valathar> this is not your server
  676. [11:40:03 pm] <&Valathar> lets get that straight now
  677. [11:40:04 pm] <Apocalypse> I know this.
  678. [11:40:06 pm] <Apocalypse> But
  679. [11:40:11 pm] <Apocalypse> I am a part of DreamLight.
  680. [11:40:15 pm] <~Pachy> However
  681. [11:40:19 pm] <&Valathar> we actively enforce policys and ignorance is not a excuse
  682. [11:40:25 pm] <Apocalypse> I will not let people kill users excessively.
  683. [11:40:33 pm] <Apocalypse> I don't care if I'm just a SA.
  684. [11:40:42 pm] <~Pachy> You have no right to question his authority because I back Valathar's actions as appropriate
  685. [11:40:47 pm] <Apocalypse> This is worse than fucking Dejatoons.
  686. [11:40:54 pm] <Apocalypse> None of you give a damn
  687. [11:41:00 pm] <Apocalypse> And kill without giving a reason.
  688. [11:41:05 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  689. [11:41:15 pm] <~Pachy> if you'd be so kind to read the listed rules
  690. [11:41:32 pm] <~Pachy> it clearly states that we dont tolerate harassment here
  691. [11:41:33 pm] <Apocalypse> Which ones?
  692. [11:41:39 pm] <Apocalypse> Alright.
  693. [11:41:47 pm] <&Valathar> /rules destiny.*
  694. [11:41:56 pm] <~Pachy> - We will not condone the harassment of any individual or persons,
  695. [11:41:57 pm] <~Pachy> - nor will we tolerate prejudice. Including but not limited to
  696. [11:41:57 pm] <~Pachy> - racial or sexist remarks towards a staff member or user.
  697. [11:41:59 pm] <Apocalypse> That is not displayed as I connect here.
  698. [11:42:06 pm] <Apocalypse> Hmm
  699. [11:42:13 pm] <~Pachy> it is in the motd
  700. [11:42:13 pm] <&Valathar> the rules file is not displayed on connect
  701. [11:42:14 pm] <~Pachy> but
  702. [11:42:18 pm] <Apocalypse> TB is a channel full of racists and those who say nast remarks.
  703. [11:42:23 pm] <Apocalypse> Shall I chankill them now?
  704. [11:42:24 pm] <&Valathar> otherwise there wouldnt be a /rules command
  705. [11:42:25 pm] <~Pachy> it's in my motd val
  706. [11:42:34 pm] <BabyAngel> now if i chose to could take offence at many of those statements assuming that i was being pointed at when i know what i do, i chose not to because frankly we are supposed to be acting like adults
  707. [11:42:43 pm] <&Valathar> rules belong in the rules file a mention or /rules is in the motd
  708. [11:42:44 pm] <Apocalypse> I'm 17.
  709. [11:42:47 pm] <Apocalypse> Not an adult.
  710. [11:43:04 pm] <Apocalypse> Nor is Absol.
  711. [11:43:06 pm] <Apocalypse> Syntax is close.
  712. [11:43:08 pm] <Apocalypse> 19?
  713. [11:43:10 pm] <~Pachy> As an oper you are expected to be mature
  714. [11:43:11 pm] <&Syntax> Syntax is 18
  715. [11:43:12 pm] <BabyAngel> close enough to be tried in court as one
  716. [11:43:24 pm] <&Valathar> 18 is legally an adult here
  717. [11:43:27 pm] <&Valathar> >.>
  718. [11:43:28 pm] <&Syntax> here too
  719. [11:43:37 pm] <Apocalypse> lol
  720. [11:43:41 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes.
  721. [11:43:47 pm] <Apocalypse> But dealing with people in their 30s
  722. [11:43:50 pm] <Apocalypse> And teens
  723. [11:43:51 pm] <~Pachy> As for #teamblaze we punish people daily for breaking network rules. specifically the one I just pasted!
  724. [11:43:53 pm] <Apocalypse> It's different.
  725. [11:43:58 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes Pachy
  726. [11:44:03 pm] <Apocalypse> But If I were to kill one of them
  727. [11:44:11 pm] <~Pachy> you would not be in trouble
  728. [11:44:14 pm] <Apocalypse> I sure as hell would get removed for some form of random ass abuse.
  729. [11:44:22 pm] <~Pachy> incorrect.
  730. [11:44:24 pm] <&Valathar> if you were to kill for breaking the rules nothing would be said
  731. [11:44:30 pm] <~Pachy> Exactly
  732. [11:44:55 pm] <BabyAngel> oh no i can think of a chatter that gives us all hell all the time and is abusive to all the other chatters
  733. [11:44:57 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse, do not accuse us of abusing. we've been enforcing the rules.
  734. [11:45:04 pm] <~Pachy> Blazaking
  735. [11:45:09 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes.
  736. [11:45:10 pm] <BabyAngel> bingo
  737. [11:45:13 pm] <~Pachy> I have to pwn him daily
  738. [11:45:15 pm] <Apocalypse> You did not stop Blazaking.
  739. [11:45:21 pm] <&Valathar> excuse me?
  740. [11:45:21 pm] <BabyAngel> we all do
  741. [11:45:23 pm] <Apocalypse> You let him do whatever.
  742. [11:45:25 pm] <~Pachy> We do stop him
  743. [11:45:28 pm] <Apocalypse> Till finally you did.
  744. [11:45:39 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  745. [11:45:43 pm] <Apocalypse> Hm?
  746. [11:45:45 pm] <&Valathar> bla has had his power stripped for abuse and recieves daily shuns for not knowing when to stfu
  747. [11:45:48 pm] <~Pachy> We took care of him ages ago
  748. [11:45:49 pm] <~Pachy> XD
  749. [11:45:53 pm] <~Pachy> Exactly
  750. [11:45:53 pm] <&Valathar> how have we been indifferent there?
  751. [11:46:00 pm] <Apocalypse> Absol.
  752. [11:46:01 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes
  753. [11:46:03 pm] <Apocalypse> It bugs me.
  754. [11:46:07 pm] <Apocalypse> You treat him as nothing.
  755. [11:46:12 pm] <Apocalypse> Even when he was an Oper.
  756. [11:46:20 pm] <&Valathar> if anything were harsher on him becouse he was a oper and is supposed to know the rules better then the rest
  757. [11:46:29 pm] <Apocalypse> What rule did he break?
  758. [11:46:47 pm] <&Valathar> Apocalypse weve been over this and over this
  759. [11:46:55 pm] <Apocalypse> Explain it to me
  760. [11:46:58 pm] <Apocalypse> As I have not heard it.
  761. [11:47:04 pm] <&Valathar> were having a meetup over CURRENT issues
  762. [11:47:21 pm] <Apocalypse> That is still current.
  763. [11:47:27 pm] <Apocalypse> As it affected my decisions today.
  764. [11:47:42 pm] <&Valathar> Kitsunes oline was temp suspended over him talking abusively to innocent users who after saying enough did not stop
  765. [11:47:47 pm] <~Pachy> He was removed because he would not do as instructed. I also removed Absol under suspicions that he would soon go renegade because he was not content with the fact I had been steadily rejecting him when he wanted to link with DL
  766. [11:48:03 pm] <&Valathar> it became nontemporary by Pachys ruling after he threw a temper tantrum
  767. [11:48:16 pm] <~Pachy> It was actually extended Val
  768. [11:48:17 pm] <Apocalypse> Yet you punish him that much?
  769. [11:48:18 pm] <&Valathar> and camne back and pitched a cursing fdit in a public channel
  770. [11:48:32 pm] <~Pachy> Yes.
  771. [11:48:33 pm] <Apocalypse> Hmm
  772. [11:48:34 pm] <Apocalypse> Valathar
  773. [11:48:45 pm] <Apocalypse> Did it ever occur to you that was the only channel he could access?
  774. [11:48:52 pm] <Apocalypse> One where you were on it?
  775. [11:48:53 pm] <&Valathar> but the enforcement and choice of punishments was Pachys doing
  776. [11:49:00 pm] <&Valathar> yet were singling you out?
  777. [11:49:13 pm] <~Pachy> Kitsune may be reinstated soon if he continues his good behavior
  778. [11:49:15 pm] <Apocalypse> What was this "writing something 1000 times" shit?
  779. [11:49:33 pm] <Apocalypse> After he refused, didn't you threaten him?
  780. [11:49:40 pm] <&Valathar> that was a punishment for one of my own opers
  781. [11:49:44 pm] <~Pachy> it was a punishment set by Valathar. One far more merciful than I have ever seen him issue before
  782. [11:49:50 pm] <Apocalypse> Pachy
  783. [11:49:52 pm] <&Valathar> that Pachy chose to enforce on Kitsune as well
  784. [11:49:56 pm] <&Valathar> for the same offense
  785. [11:49:58 pm] <Apocalypse> That punishment is demoralizing.
  786. [11:50:01 pm] <Apocalypse> Seriously.
  787. [11:50:07 pm] <BabyAngel> he used his oper to invade my pvt channels repetedly after being told to stop as well as break into pvt meetings
  788. [11:50:08 pm] <Apocalypse> Would you type that 1000 times?
  789. [11:50:09 pm] <~Pachy> That's the idea.
  790. [11:50:10 pm] <Apocalypse> No script?
  791. [11:50:16 pm] <Apocalypse> BabyAngel
  792. [11:50:18 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  793. [11:50:23 pm] <&Valathar> it was a punishment set for blazaking it was meant to be demoralizing
  794. [11:50:24 pm] <~Pachy> that's not the point
  795. [11:50:30 pm] <Apocalypse> Maybe you should've used modes to prevent him from accessing.
  796. [11:50:40 pm] <~Pachy> He overrode those modes apoc
  797. [11:50:41 pm] <Apocalypse> Else, it's your own fault.
  798. [11:50:43 pm] <&Valathar> it was meant to make him not want to break the rule again
  799. [11:50:43 pm] <Apocalypse> hmm
  800. [11:50:45 pm] <~Pachy> you didnt
  801. [11:50:49 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes.
  802. [11:50:50 pm] <~Pachy> in your case
  803. [11:50:54 pm] <Apocalypse> But I was punished as I did.
  804. [11:50:57 pm] <~Pachy> you didnt override any modes
  805. [11:51:00 pm] <&Valathar> and trust me he remembered that rule he just broke every other rule
  806. [11:51:02 pm] <Apocalypse> And I never got any apology
  807. [11:51:13 pm] <Apocalypse> Which is why I will not tolerate shit from any of them.
  808. [11:51:15 pm] <~Pachy> and I swiftly reprimanded val for it.
  809. [11:51:19 pm] <Apocalypse> So?
  810. [11:51:22 pm] <Apocalypse> Why would he care?
  811. [11:51:28 pm] <Apocalypse> He'd just do something else again
  812. [11:51:36 pm] <&Valathar> actually
  813. [11:51:40 pm] <&Valathar> let me say this
  814. [11:51:45 pm] <Apocalypse> He's always looking for a way to remove me.
  815. [11:51:50 pm] <Apocalypse> Saying I evaded.
  816. [11:51:52 pm] <&Valathar> the issue with the channel invasion
  817. [11:51:55 pm] <Apocalypse> Saying I ddos'd.
  818. [11:51:59 pm] <&Valathar> was Pachys fault mostly
  819. [11:52:04 pm] <~Pachy> ?
  820. [11:52:06 pm] <BabyAngel> oh so let me get this right because services kept being restarted and my channels wer not only losing set mode but dropping registration it's my fault?
  821. [11:52:07 pm] <&Valathar> becouse he has this bad habit
  822. [11:52:23 pm] <&Valathar> of restarting services and modes and topics warning against were lost
  823. [11:52:26 pm] <~Pachy> Ah when I was restarting services.
  824. [11:52:33 pm] <Apocalypse> Then how can you blame him?
  825. [11:52:46 pm] <~Pachy> ah yes, at the time I had no idea that was causing issues
  826. [11:52:52 pm] <&Valathar> becouse he was restarting services for no reason?
  827. [11:52:57 pm] <~Pachy> so. no fault can be placed.
  828. [11:53:13 pm] <Apocalypse> You shoot first, ask questions later.
  829. [11:53:15 pm] <~Pachy> No, I restarted services due to duplicate entries in /os userlist
  830. [11:53:16 pm] <BabyAngel> if i tell you point blank to keep your ass out of channels and name them you gonna invade them just because modes change?
  831. [11:53:18 pm] <Apocalypse> And it later bites you in the ass.
  832. [11:53:33 pm] <Apocalypse> And gets people pissed for nothing.
  833. [11:53:42 pm] <&Valathar> as per policy here a kill is a warning if things escalate after that then things get more severe
  834. [11:53:43 pm] <~Pachy> I had thought we were running a default anope config
  835. [11:53:53 pm] <~Pachy> and was indeed restarting
  836. [11:54:08 pm] <Apocalypse> Valathar
  837. [11:54:08 pm] <~Pachy> because I thought a module was causing the error
  838. [11:54:17 pm] <Apocalypse> How can I warn you that you are abusing yourself?
  839. [11:54:24 pm] <Apocalypse> I get killed all the time to stop.
  840. [11:54:32 pm] <Apocalypse> That sajoin was to show you "Ya, it sucks"
  841. [11:54:52 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse Even so, you just dont do that to an oper above you.
  842. [11:54:55 pm] <Apocalypse> The ddos came at the wrong time.
  843. [11:54:56 pm] <Apocalypse> Pachy
  844. [11:55:02 pm] <~Pachy> you should have reported it to me Apocalypse
  845. [11:55:07 pm] <~Pachy> I'm serious
  846. [11:55:10 pm] <Apocalypse> You were fricking gone
  847. [11:55:18 pm] <Apocalypse> You're always gone when shit happens.
  848. [11:55:18 pm] <~Pachy> THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
  849. [11:55:21 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes it does.
  850. [11:55:27 pm] <~Pachy> You're supposed to wait
  851. [11:55:33 pm] <Apocalypse> I see no point.
  852. [11:55:38 pm] <Apocalypse> Abuse has yet to stop.
  853. [11:55:40 pm] <&Valathar> ya know what im done with this meeting its going in fucking circles nomatter what i say Apocalypse is going to think that were out to get him
  854. [11:55:44 pm] <Apocalypse> Accusations still occur.
  855. [11:55:46 pm] <~Pachy> I would have dicussed it with him when I had returned.
  856. [11:55:52 pm] <Apocalypse> Yes
  857. [11:55:54 pm] <Apocalypse> Discussed.
  858. [11:55:55 pm] <&Valathar> this network has ran for years on these policys
  859. [11:55:58 pm] <BabyAngel> if you wait and let things drop for the moment ppl normally calm down
  860. [11:56:03 pm] <&Valathar> theyre not going to change
  861. [11:56:09 pm] <&Valathar> im done
  862. [11:56:12 pm] <Apocalypse> While I was gz:lined
  863. [11:56:19 pm] * Pachy sets mode: +o BabyAngel
  864. [11:56:21 pm] <Apocalypse> I saw all the accusations being placed upon me.
  865. [11:56:25 pm] <Apocalypse> Evading
  866. [11:56:26 pm] * Pachy sets mode: +m
  867. [11:56:31 pm] <~Pachy> Enough
  868. [11:56:36 pm] <&Valathar> thats been explained yet still your pulling this meeting in fucking circles
  869. [11:56:38 pm] <~Pachy> Apocalypse.
  870. [11:56:50 pm] <~Pachy> We have explained everything to you
  871. [11:56:50 pm] <&Valathar> if theres nothing that hasnt been addressed
  872. [11:56:52 pm] <&Valathar> im done
  873. [11:57:31 pm] <@BabyAngel> look we all have faults
  874. [11:57:43 pm] <@BabyAngel> we all have issues
  875. [11:59:10 pm] <@BabyAngel> i'll be honest i like the kids and i like you John and i've earned a new respect for Syntax today and well Apocalypse i find you abrasive but i really don't think you mean any hard you just come across that way sometimes
  876. [11:59:20 pm] <&Valathar> my final statement is this and Pachy knows me and can attest to it i am a equal oppurtunity asshole i do admit i am harsher when enforcing some rules on opers then i am to users but this is becouse as a oper your supposed to lead by example when it comes to those rules
  877. [11:59:25 pm] <@BabyAngel> and yes i'm at times sweet enough to make ppl puke
  878. [12:00:03 am] <~Pachy> Exactly my sentiments Valathar
  879. [12:00:38 am] <@BabyAngel> the bottom line is my health can't take this and you guys are gonna do whatever you want to do in the end anyway
  880. [12:00:53 am] <@BabyAngel> so just let me know what you deside
  881. [12:01:11 am] <&Syntax> <@BabyAngel> i'll be honest i like the kids and i like you John and i've earned a new respect for Syntax today <--what did I do to earn respect o.o
  882. [12:01:29 am] <~Pachy> lol
  883. [12:01:59 am] <@BabyAngel> alot of the time that i thought you weren't around i learned you were and you didn't kill Adam
  884. [12:02:03 am] <&Valathar> and i know as Apocalypse and Kitsune when he was an oper pointed out your not my staff your johns staff well i hate to inform you but your not dreamlight staff and my and BabyAngels staff isnt angels dream staff your NETWORK staff which means if one of my opers were to step out of line with me not here i expect john to knock him down a peg
  885. [12:02:07 am] * Pachy sets mode: -m
  886. [12:02:10 am] <&Syntax> btw, topic = unecessary
  887. [12:02:25 am] <~Pachy> Exactly
  888. [12:02:30 am] <&Valathar> your so quick to point out you guys are DL staff but your network staff
  889. [12:02:35 am] <Apocalypse> That's what bugged me as I entered.
  890. [12:02:37 am] <Apocalypse> None of you trust me.
  891. [12:02:37 am] * BabyAngel changes topic to ''
  892. [12:02:44 am] <~Pachy> Well
  893. [12:02:45 am] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  894. [12:02:47 am] <Apocalypse> Before this
  895. [12:02:48 am] <Apocalypse> You did not.
  896. [12:02:54 am] <&Valathar> Apocalypse i dont trust ANYONE
  897. [12:02:55 am] <~Pachy> Trust is a 2 way street
  898. [12:03:00 am] <Apocalypse> Yes.
  899. [12:03:03 am] <&Valathar> i wont let Pachy touch my shells
  900. [12:03:03 am] <Apocalypse> I did trust them.
  901. [12:03:17 am] <Apocalypse> Until I started getting killed for changing things on the network.
  902. [12:03:20 am] <~Pachy> Valathar why would I need to touch your shells anyways?
  903. [12:03:21 am] <Apocalypse> IE with that Bot.
  904. [12:03:22 am] <~Pachy> XD
  905. [12:03:23 am] <&Valathar> and i was damn offended that BabyAngel wanted me to give blaza's oline power to /kill
  906. [12:03:26 am] <Apocalypse> I was told to remove it.
  907. [12:03:29 am] <Apocalypse> I got killed.
  908. [12:03:31 am] <Apocalypse> And what
  909. [12:03:33 am] <Apocalypse> For nothing.
  910. [12:03:40 am] <Apocalypse> That's where my trust for all of you died.
  911. [12:03:47 am] <~Pachy> Apocalypse
  912. [12:03:57 am] <~Pachy> Drop it
  913. [12:04:03 am] <Apocalypse> It just bugs me.
  914. [12:04:08 am] <Apocalypse> I feel like anything I do
  915. [12:04:09 am] <&Valathar> Apocalypse look from this point of view you were killed as a warning
  916. [12:04:14 am] <~Pachy> before I stuff a shun up your ass like I do with blazaking
  917. [12:04:17 am] <Apocalypse> Is just going to end up in me getting killed.
  918. [12:04:22 am] <Apocalypse> Or yelled at.
  919. [12:04:26 am] <&Valathar> you came back bot rejoined all rooms sat for ten minute so i kiilled it again
  920. [12:04:38 am] <Apocalypse> Oh ten minutes?
  921. [12:04:38 am] <&Valathar> thats not prejudice thats repeat offender
  922. [12:04:40 am] <Apocalypse> Nope.
  923. [12:04:47 am] <Apocalypse> It reconnected
  924. [12:04:51 am] <Apocalypse> Still had channels open
  925. [12:05:06 am] <@BabyAngel> Apocalypse he has no concept of time
  926. [12:05:19 am] <Apocalypse> Hmm
  927. [12:05:23 am] <Apocalypse> Not even 10 seconds
  928. [12:05:43 am] <&Valathar> and when you told me after the second kill that you were unaware it still had the channel windows open
  929. [12:05:48 am] <&Valathar> what did i say
  930. [12:05:50 am] <@BabyAngel> honey 2 seconds and 8 hours can become the same to him when he's busy
  931. [12:05:57 am] <&Valathar> i said "alright i can understand that"
  932. [12:06:05 am] <&Valathar> did i fucking not
  933. [12:06:15 am] <&Valathar> or do i need to pull the god damned log
  934. [12:06:29 am] <@BabyAngel> please stop
  935. [12:06:42 am] <~Pachy> enough val
  936. [12:06:42 am] <&Valathar> sorry he is agravating me
  937. [12:06:49 am] <&Valathar> imma go afk and play my game
  938. [12:08:08 am] <~Pachy> He's shunned until 11:10
  939. [12:08:24 am] * @BabyAngel sighs
  940. [12:08:27 am] <~Pachy> Apocalypse you need to cool your heels
  941. [12:08:42 am] <@BabyAngel> somedays a bullet to the head would be kinder
  942. [12:10:01 am] <~Pachy> I'm sorry you had to sit through this racket, Trust me I was just as exasperated when Syntax called me up and told me what was going on.
  943. [12:10:47 am] <@BabyAngel> it appears that things are just really stressful for everybody right now
  944. [12:12:08 am] <@BabyAngel> and to be honest Val is a little quicker to anger lately but he's worried and i had just told him i think i need to go to the hospital when all this started
  945. [12:12:29 am] <&Valathar> Apocalypse i know you cant respond but ill say this your good at pushing my buttons normally i would not snap like that from it but you have no idea
  946. [12:13:09 am] <&Valathar> to put it bluntly i was told i had 2 weeks to find a place for me and BabyAngel to move with no money
  947. [12:13:30 am] <&Valathar> so forgive me if im not in a fucking nurture your feelings mood
  948. [12:13:45 am] <&Valathar> im under alot of stress
  949. [12:14:06 am] <Apocalypse> I have no money.
  950. [12:14:12 am] <Apocalypse> Parents have money issues.
  951. [12:14:16 am] <Apocalypse> Laptop sucks
  952. [12:14:20 am] <Apocalypse> Pisses me off to no end.
  953. [12:15:07 am] <&Valathar> but you dont have to face the fact that chances are your going to be homeless in 2 weeks and lose everything unless a miracle happens and you pull almost 800 dollars out your ass
  954. [12:15:24 am] <Apocalypse> I goto school on Tuesday.
  955. [12:15:33 am] <@BabyAngel> then you should understand how frustrating it is for him not to be able to come up with $20 for the one medication that keeps me alive
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