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  26. <strong>from the <b>smoking-guns-pollute-less-than-diesels</b> dept.</strong>
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  30. <div class="intro"><p class="byline"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/OriginalOwner">-- OriginalOwner_</a> writes:</p><p><i>Hackaday</i> <a href="https://hackaday.com/2017/02/27/ethics-in-engineering-audi-engineer-exposes-cheat-order/#content">reports</a>:</p><blockquote><div><p>In an interesting turn of events last week in a German court, evidence has materialized that engineers were ordered to cheat emissions testing when developing automotive parts.</p><p>[February 21], Ulrich Weiß brought forward <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/02/22/audi-engineer-had-smoking-dieselgate-gun-in-his-safe-pulls-it-in-court/">a document</a>[1] that alleges Audi Board of Director members were involved in ordering a cheat for diesel emissions. Weiß was the head of engine development for Audi, suspended in November of 2015 but continued to draw more than half a million dollars in salary before being fired <del>after</del> prior to last week's court testimony.</p><p>Volkswagen Group is the parent company of Audi and this all seems to have happened while the VW diesel emissions testing scandal we've <a href="https://hackaday.com/2015/09/23/ethics-in-engineering-volkswagens-diesel-fiasco/#content">covered</a> since 2015 was beginning to come to light. Weiß testified that he was asked to design a method of getting around strict emissions standards in Hong Kong even though Audi knew their diesel engines weren't capable of doing so legitimately.</p><p>According to Weiß, he asked for a signed order. When he received that order he instructed his team to resist following it. We have not seen a copy of the letter, but the German tabloid newspaper <a href="http://www.bild.de/geld/wirtschaft/audi/bosse-sollen-diesel-betrug-angeordnet-haben-50538524.bild.html#jsm_4">Bild reports</a> [Deutsch] that the letter claims approval by four Audi board members and was signed by the head of powertrain development at the company.</p></div></blockquote><p>[1] Forbes has all content behind scripts and is AdBlocker-phobic. <a href="http://archive.li/4PNn2#selection-1687.1-1705.0">archive.li's copy</a></p><hr></p><p><small><a href="//soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=18827">Original Submission</a></small></p></div>
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  141. <span id="comment_score_473145" class="score">(Score: 2)</span>
  142. <span class="by"> by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~DECbot/">DECbot (832)</a>
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  147. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473145"> on Wednesday March 01, @12:36AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473145#commentwrap">#473145</a>)<small>
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  152. <div id="comment_body_473145"><p>Don't fire employees right before they testify to authorities when they have a signed letter directing them to break the law.</p></div>
  153. <div id="comment_sig_473145" class="sig">--<br>cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base</div>
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  170. <span class="by"> by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~bob_super/">bob_super (1357)</a>
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  175. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473158"> on Wednesday March 01, @01:12AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473158#commentwrap">#473158</a>)<small>
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  180. <div id="comment_body_473158"><p>&gt; Don't give signed orders to cheat, only clear hints that tests need to pass for the company to retain enough profit for everyone.<br>FTFY</p></div>
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  196. <span class="by"> by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~driverless/">driverless (4770)</a>
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  199. <div class="details">by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~driverless/">driverless (4770)</a>
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  201. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473162"> on Wednesday March 01, @01:25AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473162#commentwrap">#473162</a>)<small>
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  206. <div id="comment_body_473162"><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't give signed orders to cheat, only clear hints</p></div><p>Like <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY" title="youtube.com">this</a youtube.com>. "This emissions testing thing has an irritating talent for disrupting our arrangements... perhaps it would be better if it were... taken out of the picture".</p></div>
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  222. <span class="by"> by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~edIII/">edIII (791)</a>
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  225. <div class="details">by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~edIII/">edIII (791)</a> <span class="zooicon"><a href="//soylentnews.org/subscribe.pl"><img src="//soylentnews.org/images/star.png" alt="Subscriber Badge" title="Subscriber Badge" width="15" height="15"></a></span>
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  227. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473160"> on Wednesday March 01, @01:22AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473160#commentwrap">#473160</a>)<small>
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  232. <div id="comment_body_473160"><p>With a smoking gun like that, I hope these are the first executives to actually feel justice. As in, they actually lose something tangible. Like freedom, or the the vast majorities of their wealth. Personally, I like throwing their asses in Chinese prison for 3-5 years.</p><p>But it was only an executive explicitly stating that an employee should break the law. We may not have enough to obtain justice.......</p></div>
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  248. <span class="by"> by Anonymous Coward
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  253. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473182"> on Wednesday March 01, @02:28AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473182#commentwrap">#473182</a>)<small>
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  258. <div id="comment_body_473182"><p>This isn't the first story I've heard of similar circumstances - key person who knows where the bodies are buried gets mistreated by management who know they are vulnerable to the guy and are then taken down by the revelation of the bodies. Its like the people who are at the top have a distorted view of their own ability to influence others. Maybe they have gotten away with being utter shits for so long that they forget that it was leverage that let them get away with being utter shits rather than some sort of god-like ability. So they figure that even without leverage people will still just bend to their wills. The audacity of dopes...</p></div>
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  274. <h4 id="473161">Yet another leak engineered...
  275. <span id="comment_score_473161" class="score">(Score: -1, Flamebait)</span>
  276. <span class="by"> by Anonymous Coward
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  281. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473161"> on Wednesday March 01, @01:22AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473161#commentwrap">#473161</a>)<small>
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  286. <div id="comment_body_473161"><p>...by Barack Obama and his people. They all took an oath.</p></div>
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  301. <span class="by"> by Anonymous Coward
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  306. <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_473164"> on Wednesday March 01, @01:29AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18234&commentsort=&mode=&threshold=&highlightthresh=&page=1&cid=473164#commentwrap">#473164</a>)<small>
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  311. <div id="comment_body_473164"><p>wat</p></div>
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  341. <div id="comment_body_473168"><p>Trump is gonna take your weed. Courtesy of Sessions. States' rights!</p></div>
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