ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:11 AM
best i can think of money is you guys give me shittons of cash and try to keep it for long then trying to sell, it might last years
sure could sell bot but maybe it dies after 1-2 leagues because ggg finds out about it and who knows maybe people start doing chargeback then it's shit :]
even if you gave 1/3 and i'm happy i think you would earn more then with goldmine today
ExoToday at 3:19 AM
bti tired gonna go off soon shoudlt alk about thsi with everyone but this isn't the way to go if you ask me
should be still some sort of key system or whatever per bot
if i were to give a third of what I make to goldmine, a bot makes what 10 ex + per day or something
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:20 AM
why, just fuck all auth shit then
ExoToday at 3:20 AM
noI mean it doesnt have to be auth based or whatever
but based on te amount of bots i use you can see how many I run or whatever
and pay a per bot fee just like a key
a third is way too much, we need to settle on how much you wanna get per month if u ever make a bot
and settle on a per bot cost
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:21 AM
thrid of profits
ExoToday at 3:21 AM
something like that
you cant tell what my profits are and a third seems very high, ive botted with a lot of bots and the price of a bot has been 10-20$ per month
you understand what I mean its like
I could spend that on something that maybe is basically full auto
its way too much , a third is like
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:23 AM
those were public :p
ExoToday at 3:23 AM
but it doesnt matter
bans never came because they were public
but becuase of other things
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:23 AM
if you say $20
then i need to do double the work of bot
get a nice extra 3-4k?
ExoToday at 3:24 AM
if a bot makes 10-15 ex a day, I would have to pay the equivalent of 150 ex or so per bot
no I believe that there are ways to get to this amount of money with a combination of us + few other people if that were the case
it doesnt have to be a lot of people and we can handpick them
you just have to figure out how much you want per month
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:25 AM
that's so not worth it, why would i sell keys for few 1k
when i could just find a drone
earn x10
ExoToday at 3:25 AM
zak Im no telling you what to do
I am just syaing that for me it is absurd to pay 1/3 of what a bot makes unless its basically full auto
and I just have to sell currency
maybe the others will want to , I dont know but I dont think so
I am saying that you should decide on what you want per month and we can see how we can get to achieving that
and we're not talking about giving it to 100 people or something
just get what you want for doing the work
but first there has to be a bot and it has to work decently well, and that's nowhere close to happening
in the end it will be ur bot u decide who u sell to, if u dont want to sell to us don't sell to us and sell to someone else but I dont think the money will be the issue as long as we know what you want to get for it, we will make that happen
but we should talk about this to everyone
see what they want and how everyone stands before doing anything at all
tomorrow
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:30 AM
miss on league because of goldmine shutdown and you lose way more then paying that
ExoToday at 3:30 AM
I will do something else
I can sing and make 3-4k per month easily and get out of this fucking apartment
I am not bound to this shit
there is a reason I've been doing this for a long time, one of which was I had to be around to help my family and the situation with my grandmother
I couldn't go fuck off wherever but now she's gone
I've actually considered ending this shit sooner or later
been doing it for far too long, if profits don't go up a lot I don't really wna tto do it much longer really
and botting seems to have hit bumps I dont wnana gt bogged down too much
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:32 AM
kk
ExoToday at 3:33 AM
we all need to talk about this
but I can tell you now, asking a third of total is not somethign reasonable
from us at least
if you want to get a certain amount of money we will see how to make that happen
and that will be up to us
and you will get what you ask
and if goldmine isn't getting banned the way it is now, a few extra people won't get it banned either I tell you that much
when it comes to a bot you'd make
you think of what you want per month
and we'll see how best to make it possible
tomorrow when we're all on we can talk about it, there's not much we can talk abotu without the others I have no idea where they stand
but I think that the way I said it would make everyone happy, you get what you want from just doing dev work and not botting
although idk why you wouldnt bot yourself if you make something that's almost auto
that's another thing to consider
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:37 AM
10k+ month with 3 month in advance
ExoToday at 3:38 AM
what do you mean 3 month in advance as in how
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:38 AM
if gets rekt or whatever, you don't want anymore
i still get 30k
you know like a real job
need to kick
you're out in 3 months
ExoToday at 3:39 AM
I think you need to get yourself a real job
and not do this
if you ask me :stuck_out_tongue:
nobody has this kind of money or would be giving it out like this for bots
I really don't see this happening anywhere, you should do coding for some company if you want this kind of money
they make this kind of money the good coders
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:40 AM
that's what i can get after working some year, why sit and dev bot for less pay?
ExoToday at 3:40 AM
that's why I told you
if you want this kind of money, go get jobs in companies that pay this sort of stuff
Im saying it objectively, this is where you will find that kind of pay
this kind of thing is for people who want more time for themselves, not have a schedule and such, it's the main reason I did it
I can get a job at amber as project manager for 2-3 k month without even doing coding
I have the experience and I know all the bosses there, they've aksed me to work there but I passed becuase I didn't want the scheduled job
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:42 AM
with a bot and 1/3 i think maybe 20k+ a month
just max
first month of a league
30-40k you can make
ExoToday at 3:44 AM
as I said if its basically full auto or something like that and I just have to sell currency and pay power + maintain pcs I would consider something like that but ifIhave to stay here and care about bots too much to scale and stuff idk
it also depends if there's other bots that are working
right now there's goldmine, tomorrow could be another
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:44 AM
and maybe a league without nothing and just bans
ExoToday at 3:44 AM
I can't justify to myself paying more for no reason reason
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:44 AM
then you not only lose time
but lose $800
ExoToday at 3:44 AM
I do other things, I dont have to stay here if there's no bots
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:44 AM
no
much more
ExoToday at 3:45 AM
Im not a nerd I never was in the sense that all these fucking ppl on the internet are, its different for me
if shit becomes retarded here I won't want to be here basically
if you have a bot that entails mostly just selling currency and can do more or less the other stuff then that is something I would consider
but paying 150ex equivalent or so per month per bot feels too much
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:46 AM
takes lots of time
but if i were to bot myself
it would be never
ExoToday at 3:47 AM
in my opinion if you're looking for this sort of money + the 3 month thing, you need towork for a multi million dolalr company that can afford doing this
its just not happening in botting
the 10k month thing I think cna be achieved but the 3 month in advance is out of the question, as long as business works (basically as the bot isnt hard detected in this case) you will get the money
but if everyone gets banned you wont be getting 3 month extra because it just doesn't happen in botting stuff
unless maybe we botted for 5 years +
I'm telling you the honest truth, we can talk to the others but a monthly sallary we can probably agree on and we'll see how we meet that
but 3 months after everyone gets banned is overkill
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:50 AM
hah
ExoToday at 3:50 AM
for that money
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:50 AM
work for 10k / month and you make 20k++ with just 100% botting :]
getting no experience
why not get job
junior job
like 6k
ExoToday at 3:50 AM
that's why I told you what I told you
if you really want this kind of money
go do something like that, this is not for you
I'm telling you as a friend
this has nothing to do with bot
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:51 AM
man for 10k i could just keep it for myself
find two russians
earn 2x
ExoToday at 3:51 AM
do what you feel is right
if you feel you have absolutely no reason to help the people in the channel
is up to you
I told you how to not get banned, and the others
and by doing that I was doing an investment in people
when we were testing bans and TC and trying to mod it and stuff you were nowhere to be found, for the last month you were barely around anywhere
and we actually did get the results we were looking for we saw how the bans worked and they are doing diffrent kind of bans
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:53 AM
sick
ExoToday at 3:53 AM
not "sick"
but we were all pitching in while you just more or less disappeared
why not help out instead?
when I aksed you that day when we firs tgot a few TC keys and we were trying to change profiles for it and turn it into something different than the public stuff you said you didn't know lua
as if we did?
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:55 AM
you don't know how annoying that shit was
anyway
ExoToday at 3:55 AM
which shit do you mean?
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:56 AM
this doesn't matter, i wouldn't do it to sell some shitty keys for 15a pop
sit several months ++ to get something working
ExoToday at 3:56 AM
what was annoying ?
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:56 AM
then get some crap payment so you can swim in profit
the sickness
ExoToday at 3:57 AM
oh I thought you meant smth else
we won't swim in profit and if we do its while you get the money you want becuase that would be up tous to make it happen
but the 30k after bans is something I couldnt do
but monthly we would make it happen
also I think you learn a lot of things by doing this that you can then apply to mostly any other game
you think I cared that you would make profit when I told everyone here how to avoid the bans?
I made this channel as an investment in people, not in some material thing
to establish something long term with people who have experience here, who helped each other so all could profit anyway
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 3:59 AM
1/3 i would earn little more then you guys do
overall
why should i do several months of work
for less
ExoToday at 4:00 AM
I'm not saying you should do anything, need to talk to everyone, see where they stand, but my feeling is that paying you what you want per month should be enough
and if you want more than that I think that you should pursue a career where you can get this kind of money
why do you complicate yourself with this if you want that kind of money
if it's that kind of money that only matters
I thought you cared some about the people here as well
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:01 AM
so i should work cheap because of that?
ExoToday at 4:01 AM
that helped you in their own ways, even the bot you have now is cuz of bly, even NB is from him as long as you worked
dude listen to me
its not about cheap or not
first of all life isnt only about money, if you think that then I don't know you at all - and secondly, even if it were,it's not about squeezing it from the people here, but we'd find a way to get you the money
did I ask you for profit from the money u made avoiding bans  or something
or any of the people here?
do you think this is what it comes down to for me, squeezing people in this channel of money for something
anything really
if you made a bot and got what you wanted monthly
I would ba happy personally if I were you
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:04 AM
no need to go on about this, there isn't even a bot but if i would have one i see two options
1: get 1/3 and focus on making it better
2: just announce and sell that shit like crazy, take crypto or whatever and just trying to max selling as many as possible for fast $ and get rekt quick
like nb
ExoToday at 4:04 AM
if ur only looking for money
then go for option 2 or get a job where you can make this irl
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:04 AM
ye
why would i make this and earn 30k on league
ExoToday at 4:05 AM
this is what makes sense if your focus is only max money
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:05 AM
when you earn 50k?
ExoToday at 4:05 AM
if you dont really do much of anything
then you can bot as well
and make whatever you want
once you make the bot and its doing what its doing
there is no reason to not bot yourself and get as many as you want
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:06 AM
always things to do with it, espeically since it's my first project of the kind
so 8h making bots then 8h dev
each day
ExoToday at 4:06 AM
I can tell you
that if you want to sell this bot to a lot of people, I dont really see anyone here having a real rpoblem with that
not really
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:07 AM
would last 1-2 league
i would announce that shit everywhere to max
ExoToday at 4:07 AM
sure that's whatever the decision u made
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:08 AM
eitherway
for that money
i won't make it
ExoToday at 4:08 AM
which money, this would be a lot of money
selling to a lot of people
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:09 AM
would probably earn more just getting job in the end
ExoToday at 4:09 AM
seems to me like you first need to figure out what you want to do
we'll talk to the others tomorrow and see where they stand, I still think the best way to do it would be to get you the money you want per month, and maybe after a little while we can renegotiate if it goes good
if we can expand it and make it more auto and such
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:12 AM
from my pov
if i had this offer
i would give 50%
ExoToday at 4:12 AM
it depends on the quality of the bot and how auto it will be
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:13 AM
buddy clone
ExoToday at 4:13 AM
and we have to all agree on it
this part
I still think the best way to do it would be to get you the money you want per month, and maybe after a little while we can renegotiate if it goes good
if it goes good for 4-5 months and I've made some money we can switch to something like that I would not be against it tbh
ミンナデシンデ、カミニナルToday at 4:14 AM
what's bad about it, you get some security too
if ban
pay 0
otherwise you still gotta do something
buy another 2 ryzens and expand for 2 weeks
pay 0