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- However you wanna express
- yourself, gay or lesbian,
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- or transgender, or gender queer,
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- you are beautiful.
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- ♪ Heaven help me keep falling ♪
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- ♪ It's not easy
- Finding your place ♪
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- This could be our opportunity
- to take control of our lives.
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- ♪ But if it's not love
- It'll just break ♪
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- ♪ It'll surround you ♪
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- You can't stop fighting
- for the ones you love.
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- ♪ You can be strong
- Standing in place ♪
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- ♪ Knowing
- you'll break through... ♪
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- Please understand,
- I'm not fighting about bathrooms.
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- I'm fighting about her life.
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- Well I ask you,
- can you see me now?
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- ♪ But if it's love
- It will find you ♪
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- ♪ Give you more to hold onto ♪
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- ♪ It will carry the weight ♪
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- I like the idea
- that the world is changing
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- and I get to be whoever I want.
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- When it comes to war, I fight.
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- When it comes to love,
- I don't choose sides.
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- This is just basic equality.
- That's all it is.
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- There's no way to
- get an accurate count of.
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- LGBT suicides in
- the Mormon community,
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- but we do know that
- youth suicide rates in Utah,
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- where a majority of
- the populous is Mormon,
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- have skyrocketed
- over the past decade.
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- I grew up gay,
- and Mormon, and in Utah.
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- In my morning prayers,
- I would ask that God
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- would do something drastic, like
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- cause me to die
- in a car accident
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- or for me to get cancer
- or something awful like that.
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- When the God
- that you believe in,
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- and the family that raised you
- and loves you,
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- when they reject you,
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- you don't have a lot
- left to live for.
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- You see the church between
- kind of a rock and a hard place
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- when it comes to gay issues.
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- We've taken this topic
- on a number of occasions.
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- It's not going away.
- Where do we stand on this?
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- We regard same-sex marriage
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- as a significant,
- serious kind of sin.
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- Simply being attracted
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- to someone of the same gender
- is not a sin.
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- It is when we act on
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- the inclination
- or the attraction.
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- The church finally said there's
- nothing wrong with being gay.
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- Yay!
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- As long as you
- don't do gay stuff!
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- So, if you're a gay Mormon,
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- and you're in a relationship
- with a man, you're fine,
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- as long as you don't
- hug him or kiss him
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- or hold hands with him
- or have sex with him
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- or marry him or live with him or
- be in a relationship with him.
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- And today, I'm talking with
- Las Vegas resident Dan Reynolds,
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- who is the lead singer
- of Imagine Dragons.
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- Reynolds is on a mission
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- quite apart from his
- musical career.
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- He's putting together
- a documentary examining
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- policies in the Mormon Church
- regarding the LGBTQ community.
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- Dan Reynolds,
- it's great to have you back.
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- ♪ First things first ♪
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- ♪ I'ma say all the words
- inside my head ♪
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- ♪ I'm fired up and tired of
- the way that things have been ♪
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- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
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- There are far too many Mormons
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- in Utah that are
- taking their lives.
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- And so, this is,
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- this is an issue that
- needs to be discussed now.
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- Uh, the families need
- to be having this,
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- this discussion
- in their homes now.
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- ♪ I'm the master of my sea ♪
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- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, the master of my sea ♪
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- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
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- You grew up Mormon.
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- You don't have to be
- a member of the church.
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- A lot of people will say,
- you know what,
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- if you don't don't agree,
- just get out.
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- I don't feel a need
- to denounce Mormonism.
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- I do feel a need, as a Mormon,
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- to speak out against things
- that I think are hurting people.
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- ♪ Pain ♪
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- ♪ You made me a,
- you made me a believer ♪
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- ♪ Believer ♪
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- ♪ Pain ♪
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- Dan, do you feel
- like, in some ways,
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- you, yourself, might be
- leading people astray?
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- People have reached
- out and said, hey,
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- you know, you've lost your way,
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- and God believes that
- being gay is a sin,
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- and you, you know,
- you're dragging down, you know...
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- you are spreading a message of,
- uh, against God's will.
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- ♪ My life, my love, my drive,
- it came from ♪
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- ♪ Pain ♪
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- ♪ You made me a,
- you made me a believer ♪
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- ♪ Believer ♪
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- Like a lot of rich people,
- you could just ignore all this,
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- go on with the rest
- of your life.
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- Why are you doing this? Why are
- you putting yourself out there?
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- The community I was
- raised with is Mormonism,
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- and I was always taught
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- that if you want to make
- a difference in the world,
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- you start with your community.
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- That's a question
- I had as well, Dan. I mean,
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- do you actually think you're
- gonna change the church?
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- ♪ My life, my love, my drive ♪
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- ♪ Pain ♪
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- ♪ You made me a,
- you made me a believer ♪
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- ♪ Believer ♪
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- ♪ Young gun
- with a quick fuse ♪
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- ♪ I was uptight
- wanna let loose ♪
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- ♪ I was dreaming
- of bigger things and ♪
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- ♪ Wanna leave
- my old life behind ♪
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- ♪ Not a yes-sir,
- not a follower ♪
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- ♪ Fit the box, fit the mold ♪
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- ♪ Have a seat in the foyer ♪
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- ♪ Take a number ♪
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- ♪ I was light... ♪
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- ♪ I was lightning
- before the thunder ♪
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- This song, I think, is
- probably gonna be our next single.
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- It's been... a little bit
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- of the bane of my existence
- for the last couple months,
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- 'cause I just haven't
- felt like it was
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- totally right yet.
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- I woke up at, like,
- 3:00 AM this morning,
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- with like a counter-melody idea
- in my head for this end part.
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- This song is...
- it's called "Thunder,"
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- but it's like, you know,
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- this, you know,
- this time in my life was
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- lightning before the thunder.
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- It was like, you know,
- when I was young,
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- feeling a little misplaced,
- feeling never quite...
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- like I settled in a pocket.
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- Go and get Dan.
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- I am the seventh
- son of nine kids.
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- Hey, Danny.
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- I was raised
- Mormon, Latter-day Saint,
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- as Mormons say IDS.
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- It was really
- all I knew growing up,
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- 'cause when you
- grow up, you just,
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- you think everybody's Mormon,
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- or at least most of
- the world's Mormon.
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- So, in the Mormon Church,
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- you're supposed
- to go on a mission
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- when you turn 19 years old.
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- A mission is two years
- away from your family.
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- You knock doors all day.
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- We're missionaries from the Church of
- Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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- Okay, we have our
- own religion. Thank you.
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- Okay, that's okay.
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- When you start as a missionary,
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- you get into one
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- like out of every
- hundred doors you knock.
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- What carries you on is
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- your complete, resolute
- belief in what you're doing.
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- You are resilient about it,
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- and so you knock
- those hundred doors.
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- If there's anything
- I can leave with y'all tonight,
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- it would just be that
- my testimony of this gospel
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- is that I know it's real,
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- and it does bring
- true happiness.
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- When I came home
- from my mission,
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- and I allowed my brain
- to really think about life
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- and what I wanted out of it,
- and who I wanted to be...
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- Everybody, you know,
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- in the Mormon community
- who knew my family was, like,
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- the smart Reynolds, the doctors,
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- the lawyers, the good kids.
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- You want your daughter to
- date a Reynolds boy, you know?
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- They're good kids.
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- You know, my brothers all
- went to BYU. They all married,
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- you know, great Mormon girls,
- had great Mormon families,
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- and I didn't want to be
- the one to break that cycle.
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- And so it just,
- you know, it seemed like,
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- "the easy route,"
- like, you follow the line.
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- Okay, can you
- give that to Daddy?
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- Daddy?
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- Yep?
- Get her dressed.
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- Okey-dokey.
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- Dad, both of the babies
- look like little aliens.
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- When their eyes are open,
- they look like little aliens.
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- Yeah? They do look
- like little aliens.
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- That's kinda what they are.
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- Hi, my little alien.
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- Can I kiss her, Dad?
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- Oh!
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- It's not on you.
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- I know, but we just cleaned...
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- Well, it's okay. Just leave it
- for a sec. I'll deal with it.
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- Let me just look and see. Oh!
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- Yeah, honey, just don't...
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- Honey, it's, like, massive.
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- I know.
- I'll deal with it.
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- My family, so,
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- I have a four-year-old
- daughter, Arrow,
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- she was born right when
- our first album came out.
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- Let's just say, I am the boss.
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- And now I have two more
- little girls, twins, fraternal.
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- She is so cute, honey.
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- I know.
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- It's killing me.
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- My wife, who is the greatest
- human being ever...
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- Stop picking on her. I'm not.
- I'm just trying to get...
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- You're like, "She has a furry
- head and boogers in her eyes."
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- Well, no, I just want to get
- the boogers out of her eyes
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- 'cause that would
- drive me crazy, too.
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- When I met him,
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- he was just a part
- of this, kind of,
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- I don't want to say closed
- community, but it was like
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- there wasn't really
- a lot of outside...
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- It's like a very
- Mormon community, you know?
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- And, um, I was definitely...
- an alien to that.
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- We had this, like, connection,
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- but there were conversations early on
- that were, like, you know, we can't date.
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- If I was Mormon, we could
- entertain the idea, but we can't.
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- ♪ Don't be afraid
- of me I'm just a sweet... ♪
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- We did try to be friends a lot.
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- We kept being, like,
- okay, look, we're just...
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- I can't have you,
- like, out of my life.
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- So, we had to,
- we have to try to figure out
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- how to be friends,
- but then it would just...
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- we would hang out,
- or see each other or whatever,
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- and it was just,
- like, too much energy
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- 00:11:19,291 --> 00:11:21,749
- between us to, and it couldn't go
- anywhere... She couldn't handle it.
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- 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:23,749
- She couldn't handle the energy.
- There was just,
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- 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,332
- so much, just, mojo in the air.
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- 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:28,749
- I would always be
- like, I can't do this.
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- 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:29,958
- I can't talk to you anymore.
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- 00:11:29,959 --> 00:11:33,124
- If we can't be together,
- I cannot see you,
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- 00:11:33,125 --> 00:11:34,374
- like, I can't talk to you.
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- 'Cause I was
- so in love with him,
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- 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:38,916
- and, um, it just hurt.
- 234
- 00:11:40,208 --> 00:11:42,708
- Dan had sent a song
- that he had written,
- 235
- 00:11:42,709 --> 00:11:45,207
- and he had only written
- part of the song.
- 236
- 00:11:45,208 --> 00:11:46,749
- And I was like, oh, well,
- 237
- 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:48,499
- I'll just write a verse
- and send it back.
- 238
- 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,791
- ♪ Try one, try two,
- and then you're messing it up ♪
- 239
- 00:11:50,792 --> 00:11:52,874
- ♪ If you ever wanna have it,
- then you're giving it up... ♪
- 240
- 00:11:52,875 --> 00:11:55,499
- It was, like,
- written to me, you know?
- 241
- 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:58,040
- And so, I would, like,
- write a response...
- 242
- 00:11:58,041 --> 00:11:59,958
- in the song, and it was like
- 243
- 00:11:59,959 --> 00:12:02,374
- the stuff we couldn't
- say in real life.
- 244
- 00:12:02,375 --> 00:12:06,583
- ♪ 'Cause I'm
- so in love with you ♪
- 245
- 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:10,457
- But it was, like,
- still very much, like,
- 246
- 00:12:10,458 --> 00:12:12,374
- you have to be Mormon
- if we're gonna date.
- 247
- 00:12:12,375 --> 00:12:13,416
- ♪ Well, I'm tired ♪
- 248
- 00:12:13,417 --> 00:12:15,082
- ♪ You're tired of acting crazy ♪
- 249
- 00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:17,541
- ♪ Don't make big plans
- if you're bein' lazy ♪
- 250
- 00:12:17,542 --> 00:12:18,666
- ♪ Don't make big plans ♪
- 251
- 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:19,833
- ♪ If you won't follow through ♪
- 252
- 00:12:19,834 --> 00:12:20,958
- ♪ You big baby ♪
- 253
- 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:22,624
- ♪ Let's speak nothing
- but the truth ♪
- 254
- 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:25,582
- I was like, I'm not gonna
- forget about this person.
- 255
- 00:12:25,583 --> 00:12:27,958
- He felt like
- he was my soul mate,
- 256
- 00:12:27,959 --> 00:12:30,875
- and so, I decided to start going
- 257
- 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,958
- and just learning
- more about the church.
- 258
- 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:35,833
- That's when I started to say,
- okay, well, if I can, like,
- 259
- 00:12:35,834 --> 00:12:38,499
- really, just, follow
- my own heart inside of it,
- 260
- 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:40,582
- I don't see why I can't, like,
- 261
- 00:12:40,583 --> 00:12:42,749
- progress in this direction.
- 262
- 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:45,749
- So, I did kind of just do that,
- 263
- 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:47,624
- and I felt fine about it...
- 264
- 00:12:47,625 --> 00:12:48,624
- ♪ My heart ♪
- 265
- 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:51,124
- ...except for the gay rights.
- 266
- 00:12:51,125 --> 00:12:54,749
- The Mormon Church
- supported Proposition 8,
- 267
- 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:57,499
- a proposal restricting
- the definition of marriage
- 268
- 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,874
- as being a union solely
- between a man and a woman.
- 269
- 00:13:00,875 --> 00:13:03,249
- Mormons became
- the most powerful force
- 270
- 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:05,749
- in California's fight
- against gay marriage,
- 271
- 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:08,541
- because the church called
- upon its members to donate
- 272
- 00:13:08,542 --> 00:13:12,457
- as much money and time
- as they could to the cause.
- 273
- 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:15,624
- And so, we ask you
- to give your best
- 274
- 00:13:15,625 --> 00:13:17,916
- to this most significant effort,
- 275
- 00:13:17,917 --> 00:13:20,165
- support in every way possible
- 276
- 00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:22,624
- the sacred institution
- of marriage
- 277
- 00:13:22,625 --> 00:13:25,416
- as we know it to be.
- 278
- 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:28,082
- When Prop 8 was going
- down, in my heart, I was like,
- 279
- 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:31,082
- I don't feel good about this,
- but whatever.
- 280
- 00:13:31,083 --> 00:13:32,499
- It doesn't affect me.
- 281
- 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:33,874
- Which I think is
- the mentality of,
- 282
- 00:13:33,875 --> 00:13:35,708
- probably, a lot of
- Christians and people.
- 283
- 00:13:35,709 --> 00:13:37,541
- It doesn't affect me.
- 284
- 00:13:37,542 --> 00:13:40,499
- Hey, it'll figure itself out
- in the eternities with God.
- 285
- 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,040
- It was right when
- I was meeting Aja.
- 286
- 00:13:43,041 --> 00:13:45,416
- Her two best friends who
- were lesbians, and they were,
- 287
- 00:13:45,417 --> 00:13:47,833
- you know all very
- ac... like, very...
- 288
- 00:13:47,834 --> 00:13:49,791
- Very active.
- I mean, I was with them. Yeah.
- 289
- 00:13:49,792 --> 00:13:52,207
- I was like,
- marching alongside them.
- 290
- 00:13:52,208 --> 00:13:53,708
- Yeah, and so, it was like,
- And then...
- 291
- 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:55,082
- she was like, well,
- 292
- 00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:56,916
- they told me that
- Mormons believe this,
- 293
- 00:13:56,917 --> 00:13:58,040
- and that they're really, like,
- 294
- 00:13:58,041 --> 00:13:59,290
- funding these things
- with Prop 8.
- 295
- 00:13:59,291 --> 00:14:01,749
- Is that true?
- And I'm like, well, it is true,
- 296
- 00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:04,249
- but I... it's, like,
- no part of me.
- 297
- 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:07,624
- Well, she's like, well, why are you
- Mormon then? I'm like, it's complicated.
- 298
- 00:14:08,917 --> 00:14:11,165
- When I started to look into it,
- 299
- 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:13,374
- and take the lessons
- and convert,
- 300
- 00:14:13,375 --> 00:14:15,999
- I really had to ignore
- that whole thing.
- 301
- 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,417
- I had to just ignore it
- because I was...
- 302
- 00:14:19,333 --> 00:14:21,375
- It was infuria... infuriating.
- 303
- 00:14:22,625 --> 00:14:24,874
- We got married in
- my parents' backyard,
- 304
- 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:29,499
- and her two best friends
- didn't come to our marriage
- 305
- 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:33,416
- because she was, basically, marrying
- into Mormonism, in their eyes,
- 306
- 00:14:33,417 --> 00:14:35,749
- which was,
- in the heat of Prop 8,
- 307
- 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:38,082
- was the reason
- they couldn't get married.
- 308
- 00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:40,958
- His wife's lesbian roommates
- 309
- 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:43,124
- not wanting to go
- to their wedding,
- 310
- 00:14:43,125 --> 00:14:47,249
- I think he saw something and said,
- "Oh, there's something wrong here.
- 311
- 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:48,874
- There's something
- that can be better here.
- 312
- 00:14:48,875 --> 00:14:50,999
- There's something I can fix.
- I can do something.
- 313
- 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,791
- And I don't think
- he knew what or how,
- 314
- 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:55,541
- but I know he wanted to.
- 315
- 00:14:55,542 --> 00:14:59,666
- So, I, I, I still feel guilt,
- 316
- 00:14:59,667 --> 00:15:02,666
- you know, with that,
- that I, I, uh...
- 317
- 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:06,457
- I just was, like,
- a silent person, you know?
- 318
- 00:15:06,458 --> 00:15:08,666
- Granted, my voice was pretty
- meaningless at the time.
- 319
- 00:15:09,583 --> 00:15:10,999
- Not to say a voice
- is meaningless,
- 320
- 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,791
- but I didn't have
- any reach, you know?
- 321
- 00:15:12,792 --> 00:15:15,833
- My band was
- a big puddle of nothing.
- 322
- 00:15:15,834 --> 00:15:19,165
- Growing up,
- Dan was in different bands,
- 323
- 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:22,374
- and he'd always
- been making music,
- 324
- 00:15:22,375 --> 00:15:23,833
- but there is no guarantee
- 325
- 00:15:23,834 --> 00:15:26,249
- you can make something marketable
- and earn a living at this.
- 326
- 00:15:28,458 --> 00:15:30,374
- And I remember one time,
- 327
- 00:15:30,375 --> 00:15:32,708
- sitting down with
- my mom and dad,
- 328
- 00:15:32,709 --> 00:15:36,874
- and they said, so Dan wants
- to do this rock thing,
- 329
- 00:15:36,875 --> 00:15:38,040
- be in a rock band.
- 330
- 00:15:38,041 --> 00:15:39,124
- So, just tell us,
- 331
- 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:40,666
- what's his chance of success?
- 332
- 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:44,332
- Regardless of the fact
- that I knew he was driven,
- 333
- 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:45,874
- and he had a good voice,
- 334
- 00:15:45,875 --> 00:15:47,833
- and I thought he wrote
- amazing melodies,
- 335
- 00:15:47,834 --> 00:15:49,499
- I said zero.
- 336
- 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:53,999
- ♪ I'm waking up
- to ash and dust ♪
- 337
- 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,791
- Imagine Dragons just,
- 338
- 00:15:55,792 --> 00:15:57,082
- like, boo!
- 339
- 00:15:57,083 --> 00:15:59,499
- ♪ I'm breathing in
- the chemicals ♪
- 340
- 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,332
- Imagine Dragons!
- 341
- 00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:04,207
- Ah!
- 342
- 00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:05,332
- Suddenly, it was, like,
- 343
- 00:16:05,333 --> 00:16:07,749
- everybody just screaming at you,
- 344
- 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:10,290
- you know, great things
- and terrible things,
- 345
- 00:16:10,291 --> 00:16:12,499
- and it was all just
- a new thing to me.
- 346
- 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:14,207
- What's been, like,
- the biggest crowd response
- 347
- 00:16:14,208 --> 00:16:15,499
- that you just felt overwhelmed?
- 348
- 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,374
- I've been overwhelmed,
- honestly, every night.
- 349
- 00:16:17,375 --> 00:16:21,457
- I don't know that I can
- think of many more opposite worlds
- 350
- 00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:24,040
- than that of a Mormon missionary
- 351
- 00:16:24,041 --> 00:16:26,666
- and that of a rock star.
- 352
- 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:31,124
- It was completely shocking to me to
- be kind of thrust into the world.
- 353
- 00:16:31,125 --> 00:16:32,499
- Like, I had to relearn
- 354
- 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:35,249
- everything about everything
- I had known.
- 355
- 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:38,291
- ♪ I'm radioactive, radioactive ♪
- 356
- 00:16:46,792 --> 00:16:50,083
- Oh, Lord.
- 357
- 00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:55,749
- "Love your music.
- 358
- 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:59,249
- "I heard you have depression.
- I also have depression,
- 359
- 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:02,416
- "but listening to your music
- really takes me away from it.
- 360
- 00:17:03,375 --> 00:17:04,833
- "Right now, I feel worthless.
- 361
- 00:17:04,834 --> 00:17:07,791
- "Life is just really hard.
- I have no self-esteem,
- 362
- 00:17:07,792 --> 00:17:10,999
- "but your music makes it much easier.
- I'm thankful for your music.
- 363
- 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,208
- I'm also very thankful
- that you are Mormon."
- 364
- 00:17:14,417 --> 00:17:16,249
- And if I type in Mormon,
- 365
- 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:18,999
- there's, like, you know,
- hundreds of emails.
- 366
- 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,124
- "I'm in middle school,
- and I'm Mormon,
- 367
- 00:17:21,125 --> 00:17:22,791
- "but I'm very different.
- 368
- 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:25,874
- "I'm not pretty.
- I'm not popular,
- 369
- 00:17:25,875 --> 00:17:27,082
- "but I don't care.
- 370
- 00:17:27,083 --> 00:17:28,457
- "I have anxiety and depression.
- 371
- 00:17:28,458 --> 00:17:30,791
- "I've had them
- since I was young.
- 372
- 00:17:30,792 --> 00:17:32,749
- "I was also told
- this was Dan Reynolds,
- 373
- 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:35,749
- and I thought it would be cool
- to tell him about myself."
- 374
- 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:39,290
- Suddenly, I started to really
- realize the weight of something
- 375
- 00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:41,582
- that I think I already knew,
- which was that
- 376
- 00:17:41,583 --> 00:17:44,165
- there's not a lot of
- famous Mormons.
- 377
- 00:17:47,959 --> 00:17:49,791
- "I want to tell you
- something personal,
- 378
- 00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:51,457
- "to show you how
- important you are for me,
- 379
- 00:17:51,458 --> 00:17:52,791
- "and how much you help me.
- 380
- 00:17:52,792 --> 00:17:55,290
- "I'm struggling a lot with
- self-acceptance and anxiety.
- 381
- 00:17:55,291 --> 00:17:56,791
- "This is because
- of many reasons.
- 382
- 00:17:56,792 --> 00:17:59,332
- "There's one big thing
- that annoys me the most...
- 383
- 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:00,791
- "my sexuality.
- 384
- 00:18:00,792 --> 00:18:02,999
- "I hate myself
- for a lot of this.
- 385
- 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,290
- "I don't even want to know where
- I would be without your music.
- 386
- 00:18:07,291 --> 00:18:08,874
- "I have no idea if you support
- 387
- 00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:11,958
- "same-sex marriage,
- since you are a Mormon.
- 388
- 00:18:11,959 --> 00:18:14,708
- "If you don't, it's okay,
- and I respect you,
- 389
- 00:18:14,709 --> 00:18:16,833
- "but if you do support it,
- thank you a lot,
- 390
- 00:18:16,834 --> 00:18:18,458
- and it means the world to me."
- 391
- 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,416
- Tom, who sent me this email.
- 392
- 00:18:22,417 --> 00:18:23,416
- Says all these sweet things,
- 393
- 00:18:23,417 --> 00:18:24,875
- and at the bottom,
- you know, hey,
- 394
- 00:18:25,834 --> 00:18:27,416
- you know, if you do,
- I respect you,
- 395
- 00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:30,332
- but I know that, how he, I know
- 396
- 00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:32,457
- that he is hurt,
- 397
- 00:18:32,458 --> 00:18:35,708
- and is looking for someone
- from this band that he likes
- 398
- 00:18:35,709 --> 00:18:38,666
- to tell him, no, Tom,
- I'm not judging you, you know.
- 399
- 00:18:38,667 --> 00:18:39,999
- And I never even wrote him back,
- 400
- 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,833
- 'cause I haven't read
- that email till right now
- 401
- 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:44,624
- 'cause there's
- so many emails, but...
- 402
- 00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:57,082
- This is, this is
- something that I've...
- 403
- 00:18:57,083 --> 00:18:59,791
- really had on my mind for years,
- 404
- 00:18:59,792 --> 00:19:02,249
- and it's come to a head,
- I think, lately...
- 405
- 00:19:04,125 --> 00:19:06,791
- ...because I'm,
- because I associate
- 406
- 00:19:06,792 --> 00:19:10,040
- and my, my, my family's Mormon.
- 407
- 00:19:10,041 --> 00:19:11,457
- It's my culture.
- 408
- 00:19:11,458 --> 00:19:13,624
- I know that there are
- so many people like this.
- 409
- 00:19:13,625 --> 00:19:17,332
- Mormons who, I know, look up
- to me as a person, you know,
- 410
- 00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:19,709
- standing as a face
- for the Mormon Church.
- 411
- 00:19:24,917 --> 00:19:26,666
- Um...
- 412
- 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,082
- Yeah, I've been so conflicted,
- 413
- 00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:30,249
- 'cause I don't know
- whether to, you know,
- 414
- 00:19:30,250 --> 00:19:34,082
- let down all these people who are
- Mormon, and, and looking to me,
- 415
- 00:19:34,083 --> 00:19:37,749
- or... to be part of...
- 416
- 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:40,500
- To stand back, and then be...
- 417
- 00:19:42,291 --> 00:19:45,207
- If I'm passive,
- if I'm just standing...
- 418
- 00:19:45,208 --> 00:19:47,165
- If I just stand back and say,
- I don't want to talk about
- 419
- 00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:49,874
- Mormonism or something
- in the press and stuff,
- 420
- 00:19:49,875 --> 00:19:53,207
- then I've, I have felt this...
- Which I have done,
- 421
- 00:19:53,208 --> 00:19:55,834
- um, then I feel
- this burden like...
- 422
- 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:58,709
- I feel guilt. I feel like...
- 423
- 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:03,333
- I am standing then for bigotry.
- 424
- 00:20:12,417 --> 00:20:15,541
- I went on a mission at 19.
- 425
- 00:20:15,542 --> 00:20:17,249
- I think it just felt like a safe
- 426
- 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,958
- choice to go and give me more
- space to figure out myself, so,
- 427
- 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:25,290
- I got called to Nebraska,
- and I was kinda hoping
- 428
- 00:20:25,291 --> 00:20:27,917
- I was gonna go to, like,
- Tokyo or something.
- 429
- 00:20:35,291 --> 00:20:37,708
- Tyler and I both
- served in Omaha, Nebraska.
- 430
- 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:39,958
- He had finished his two years
- right as I was coming out.
- 431
- 00:20:39,959 --> 00:20:41,791
- Like, we barely linked
- like that,
- 432
- 00:20:41,792 --> 00:20:42,916
- but it was enough that, like,
- 433
- 00:20:42,917 --> 00:20:46,916
- the shadow of Tyler
- was still there.
- 434
- 00:20:46,917 --> 00:20:51,874
- My first companion had a CD that
- said, like, "Tyler Glenn" on it,
- 435
- 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,749
- and he told me that
- it was this missionary,
- 436
- 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:55,917
- and was writing
- songs in his spare time.
- 437
- 00:20:56,834 --> 00:20:59,666
- ♪ Jesus got my back ♪
- 438
- 00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:01,165
- Yeah, on my mission,
- 439
- 00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:03,374
- I had, really,
- a great experience.
- 440
- 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:06,499
- It really shaped this, sort of,
- 441
- 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:10,457
- headphone-wearing, like,
- kind of, pseudo-Goth kid
- 442
- 00:21:10,458 --> 00:21:14,208
- uh, into like, a... someone
- that could talk to people.
- 443
- 00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:18,457
- Yeah, and I got home, and,
- 444
- 00:21:18,458 --> 00:21:20,666
- and, uh,
- 445
- 00:21:20,667 --> 00:21:23,833
- then I... decided to be
- gay for a little bit.
- 446
- 00:21:24,792 --> 00:21:26,999
- And that started the conflict.
- 447
- 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,249
- ♪ Hey baby,
- won't you look my way? ♪
- 448
- 00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:33,374
- ♪ I can be your new addiction ♪
- 449
- 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,958
- I got home from my mission,
- 450
- 00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:38,040
- and Tyler has started
- a band called Neon Trees.
- 451
- 00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:40,207
- ♪ It started with a whisper ♪
- 452
- 00:21:40,208 --> 00:21:43,082
- His band blew up,
- and then my band blew up.
- 453
- 00:21:43,083 --> 00:21:45,165
- I would see him at festivals.
- I'd be like, hey,
- 454
- 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:46,916
- guy that's Mormon in that band,
- 455
- 00:21:46,917 --> 00:21:50,082
- hey, I'm guy over here
- that's Mormon in this band.
- 456
- 00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:52,457
- I followed him.
- I saw the things that he was saying
- 457
- 00:21:52,458 --> 00:21:54,749
- because he was, like,
- a Mormon in the press.
- 458
- 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:56,207
- Being gay and closeted,
- 459
- 00:21:56,208 --> 00:21:58,082
- I became a master
- compartmentalizer.
- 460
- 00:21:58,083 --> 00:22:00,541
- I was able to, sort of,
- compartmentalize
- 461
- 00:22:00,542 --> 00:22:03,166
- a version of Mormonism that fit.
- 462
- 00:22:04,375 --> 00:22:06,541
- So, come 29,
- 463
- 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,457
- and we've put out
- two successful records,
- 464
- 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,082
- and we toured
- the world six times.
- 465
- 00:22:10,083 --> 00:22:13,582
- I'm living my dream, you know,
- so, like, I should be happy.
- 466
- 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,416
- And I'm not content at all,
- and I'm thinking,
- 467
- 00:22:16,417 --> 00:22:18,582
- I can't keep thinking
- this is a cool secret
- 468
- 00:22:18,583 --> 00:22:20,582
- that I can live with
- the rest of my life.
- 469
- 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:23,166
- It was like, I just,
- I have to come out.
- 470
- 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,833
- I came out to my producer.
- 471
- 00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:30,082
- I was just like, Tim,
- 472
- 00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,749
- do you want to know what
- these songs are about?
- 473
- 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:34,207
- And, like...
- 474
- 00:22:34,208 --> 00:22:37,416
- just saying it to him,
- and having,
- 475
- 00:22:37,417 --> 00:22:39,207
- sort of the reaction,
- 476
- 00:22:39,208 --> 00:22:43,582
- from a... from, like, a straight
- man, like, I always feared...
- 477
- 00:22:43,583 --> 00:22:46,916
- would probably ridicule me
- because that was my experience.
- 478
- 00:22:46,917 --> 00:22:47,916
- Um...
- 479
- 00:22:47,917 --> 00:22:50,290
- He, like, said,
- I'm so happy for you,
- 480
- 00:22:50,291 --> 00:22:53,457
- and it was the first time
- that I ever, um,
- 481
- 00:22:53,458 --> 00:22:57,666
- attributed, like, positivity,
- ever, to being gay.
- 482
- 00:22:57,667 --> 00:23:00,791
- I was expecting my life
- to turn to shit,
- 483
- 00:23:00,792 --> 00:23:03,249
- or to feel
- 484
- 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:05,290
- sinful or shame,
- and I didn't at all.
- 485
- 00:23:05,291 --> 00:23:07,290
- And it was, I was met with such,
- 486
- 00:23:07,291 --> 00:23:08,499
- um...
- 487
- 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,417
- you know, just inclusion.
- 488
- 00:23:11,625 --> 00:23:14,082
- It was, you know,
- three years after Prop 8,
- 489
- 00:23:14,083 --> 00:23:17,416
- so I was met with a lot of
- IDS people saying,
- 490
- 00:23:17,417 --> 00:23:19,916
- we need this
- conversation to broaden.
- 491
- 00:23:19,917 --> 00:23:21,416
- As a church,
- 492
- 00:23:21,417 --> 00:23:24,833
- nobody should be more
- loving and compassionate.
- 493
- 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:26,582
- No family who has anybody
- 494
- 00:23:26,583 --> 00:23:28,999
- who has the same-gender
- issue should, uh,
- 495
- 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040
- exclude them
- from the family circle.
- 496
- 00:23:31,041 --> 00:23:34,290
- Tyler did an interview with
- Rolling Stone that was like,
- 497
- 00:23:34,291 --> 00:23:36,124
- I'm gonna be gay and Mormon,
- 498
- 00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:38,249
- and I'm gonna make it work.
- 499
- 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,582
- And I feel like a lot of
- the Mormon community was like,
- 500
- 00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:42,499
- Woo-hoo! Look at this!
- 501
- 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,249
- He's gay and he's Mormon.
- He's gonna make it work.
- 502
- 00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:45,624
- What does that mean?
- Maybe he's celibate?
- 503
- 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,332
- I don't know, but hey,
- he's gonna make it work.
- 504
- 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:48,916
- He's happy. You know?
- 505
- 00:23:48,917 --> 00:23:51,374
- I started dating
- a guy openly, and...
- 506
- 00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:54,833
- I took him to Temple Square.
- 507
- 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:57,040
- For me, it was like,
- when you and I have a kid,
- 508
- 00:23:57,041 --> 00:24:00,499
- we're raising him Mormon,
- and this means a lot to me.
- 509
- 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,082
- And about a month after that,
- 510
- 00:24:03,083 --> 00:24:04,582
- um, it was November 5th,
- 511
- 00:24:04,583 --> 00:24:08,082
- and a Po...
- The policy was leaked.
- 512
- 00:24:08,083 --> 00:24:10,541
- The Church of Jesus Christ
- of Latter-day Saints
- 513
- 00:24:10,542 --> 00:24:13,332
- has come under intense scrutiny
- following their new official
- 514
- 00:24:13,333 --> 00:24:16,666
- orders against homosexuality,
- baptism and children.
- 515
- 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:19,624
- The new policy change states
- that same-sex couples
- 516
- 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,374
- will also now be
- considered apostates,
- 517
- 00:24:21,375 --> 00:24:24,541
- saying it will no longer
- bless or baptize children
- 518
- 00:24:24,542 --> 00:24:28,124
- of same-sex couples
- until the child turns 18.
- 519
- 00:24:28,125 --> 00:24:29,624
- Once a child turns 18,
- 520
- 00:24:29,625 --> 00:24:32,374
- he or she will have to disavow
- same-sex marriage,
- 521
- 00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:35,625
- then they can be blessed
- and baptized by the church.
- 522
- 00:24:37,125 --> 00:24:39,082
- There was a
- variant in the church.
- 523
- 00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:41,749
- It suddenly felt dark, and I'd
- never felt dark at church.
- 524
- 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:43,791
- I'd always felt like,
- this is the safe place,
- 525
- 00:24:43,792 --> 00:24:45,124
- and I need to cling to this.
- 526
- 00:24:45,125 --> 00:24:49,541
- Um, I'm watching my brother
- baptize his son,
- 527
- 00:24:49,542 --> 00:24:51,416
- and he, and I don't
- ever get to do that
- 528
- 00:24:51,417 --> 00:24:54,457
- because I'm gay
- and he's straight, and, um...
- 529
- 00:24:54,458 --> 00:24:56,999
- I just had taken, you know...
- 530
- 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,500
- the guy I was seeing to the temple
- and I was doing all of these...
- 531
- 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:04,541
- these things to sort of
- remain, and I...
- 532
- 00:25:04,542 --> 00:25:07,124
- It just hit me that
- I have to leave.
- 533
- 00:25:07,125 --> 00:25:08,833
- And I remember...
- 534
- 00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:12,125
- telling my mom on the way
- to dinner after the baptism.
- 535
- 00:25:14,583 --> 00:25:16,582
- I'm like, Mom, I, I...
- 536
- 00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:19,374
- I believe, and I, um...
- 537
- 00:25:19,375 --> 00:25:20,666
- and I know
- the Book of Mormon is true.
- 538
- 00:25:20,667 --> 00:25:22,332
- I know the church is true,
- but I have to leave
- 539
- 00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:24,999
- because, like,
- they've clearly drawn a line,
- 540
- 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,667
- and it feels like the last,
- you know, gut punch.
- 541
- 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,582
- ♪ Faith ♪
- 542
- 00:25:32,583 --> 00:25:35,082
- ♪ Please have a little in me ♪
- 543
- 00:25:35,083 --> 00:25:36,250
- ♪ Hate ♪
- 544
- 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:40,249
- ♪ I know you hate it
- when I stray ♪
- 545
- 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:42,040
- ♪ But I tried everything ♪
- 546
- 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,457
- ♪ I drank the wine
- and stained the sheets ♪
- 547
- 00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:49,416
- ♪ I'm clumsy when I speak ♪
- 548
- 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:52,040
- I just realized,
- I need to make an album
- 549
- 00:25:52,041 --> 00:25:53,207
- about all these feelings.
- 550
- 00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:56,541
- ♪ You never call me anymore ♪
- 551
- 00:25:56,542 --> 00:25:57,958
- Tyler put out a record
- 552
- 00:25:57,959 --> 00:26:01,207
- that was very controversial
- within the Mormon community.
- 553
- 00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:05,999
- ♪ God, where the hell
- are you hiding? ♪
- 554
- 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,958
- ♪ My hands are in the air
- and I'm excited ♪
- 555
- 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,290
- It was very visceral,
- and, like, very angry.
- 556
- 00:26:13,291 --> 00:26:14,791
- He was, like, ripping up
- the Book of Mormon,
- 557
- 00:26:14,792 --> 00:26:17,582
- and he was painting on,
- like, the apostles' faces.
- 558
- 00:26:17,583 --> 00:26:20,290
- A lot of Mormons saw that
- and were, like,
- 559
- 00:26:20,291 --> 00:26:22,332
- offended and angry at Tyler.
- 560
- 00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:25,541
- And then I think a lot of Mormons
- saw it and were hurt for Tyler.
- 561
- 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:29,332
- It definitely weighed, like,
- very heavily on my heart.
- 562
- 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:32,249
- ♪ I've been on the run ♪
- 563
- 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:34,749
- ♪ So I'm not coming Sunday ♪
- 564
- 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,082
- ♪ It's all right ♪
- 565
- 00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:38,916
- ♪ I'll probably talk to you ♪
- 566
- 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:43,333
- ♪ At midnight ♪
- 567
- 00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:48,250
- Cool.
- 568
- 00:26:52,667 --> 00:26:53,666
- Hey, dude.
- 569
- 00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,290
- Hey, how you doing man?
- 570
- 00:26:55,291 --> 00:26:56,582
- Good, man.
- 571
- 00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,503
- Man, I don't even
- know where to start. Um...
- 572
- 00:26:59,667 --> 00:27:03,666
- Really, I, I feel like
- I should've made this call,
- 573
- 00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:05,667
- like, two years ago.
- 574
- 00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:09,959
- You know, I've watched
- you over the last...
- 575
- 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:12,207
- you know, couple years,
- 576
- 00:27:12,208 --> 00:27:14,290
- and I've watched you
- just go through this,
- 577
- 00:27:14,291 --> 00:27:15,624
- and I've been like,
- 578
- 00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:17,666
- a really...
- 579
- 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:19,708
- shitty bystander, honestly.
- 580
- 00:27:19,709 --> 00:27:21,040
- And so I guess, first...
- Mm.
- 581
- 00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:23,874
- I just want to, like,
- apologize because I feel like,
- 582
- 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,041
- you know, I feel like,
- 583
- 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,874
- you know, I don't know who else
- 584
- 00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:31,290
- you could relate to...
- How many other people
- 585
- 00:27:31,291 --> 00:27:33,332
- you could relate to in
- this industry that are, like,
- 586
- 00:27:33,333 --> 00:27:36,541
- Mormon, and have to feel
- conflicted about
- 587
- 00:27:36,542 --> 00:27:38,374
- all these things,
- and I don't know...
- 588
- 00:27:38,375 --> 00:27:40,666
- Dude, thanks. That really
- means a lot. Thank you.
- 589
- 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,207
- Wow, that's really cool.
- 590
- 00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:43,874
- Seriously. Seriously.
- 591
- 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:46,708
- But the question I wanted
- to ask you is, what now?
- 592
- 00:27:46,709 --> 00:27:48,541
- Like, what can I do...
- 593
- 00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:50,916
- I know.
- ...to what can, like...
- 594
- 00:27:50,917 --> 00:27:52,874
- You know, I had, like,
- this little idea in my head,
- 595
- 00:27:52,875 --> 00:27:54,082
- and tell me if it's stupid.
- 596
- 00:27:54,083 --> 00:27:57,416
- What if me and you got together,
- and we put on, like,
- 597
- 00:27:57,417 --> 00:27:59,249
- a big event in Salt Lake City?
- 598
- 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:02,041
- Me, you, some people who can
- come together, and be, like...
- 599
- 00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:06,332
- inclusive of everybody,
- and tell them all, like,
- 600
- 00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:07,749
- this needs to change.
- 601
- 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:09,791
- You know, I know we can't
- force the church to change it,
- 602
- 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:12,541
- but maybe we can, like,
- by raising more awareness,
- 603
- 00:28:12,542 --> 00:28:13,916
- and making more Mormons,
- 604
- 00:28:13,917 --> 00:28:16,207
- in their heart, feel like
- this isn't right,
- 605
- 00:28:16,208 --> 00:28:17,916
- maybe that's the begin...
- You know what I mean?
- 606
- 00:28:17,917 --> 00:28:19,082
- Maybe that's what's gonna start
- 607
- 00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:20,582
- the change.
- That's what it takes, man.
- 608
- 00:28:20,583 --> 00:28:22,249
- Dude, I'm down.
- Like, absolutely.
- 609
- 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,290
- Let's do it.
- 610
- 00:28:26,125 --> 00:28:27,749
- I'm so amped right now.
- 611
- 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:29,582
- I'm like, we're gonna do
- this amazing thing!
- 612
- 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,666
- This is for Mormons,
- this is for non-Mormons.
- 613
- 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,958
- This is for the LGBT
- non-Mormons,
- 614
- 00:28:34,959 --> 00:28:38,082
- LGBT Mormons. Like, this is
- for the world to come to.
- 615
- 00:28:38,083 --> 00:28:39,249
- So, you know what
- I thought about?
- 616
- 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:40,666
- First thing that came to my mind?
- What?
- 617
- 00:28:40,667 --> 00:28:43,499
- Food. What are
- we gonna do for food?
- 618
- 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,457
- If we can get
- food trucks, awesome.
- 619
- 00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:47,791
- That's what I think.
- I'm thinking food,
- 620
- 00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:49,124
- and really what
- I should be thinking is
- 621
- 00:28:49,125 --> 00:28:51,666
- how do we not offend 50
- percent of the people who come?
- 622
- 00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:53,082
- You're just trying
- to enlighten people.
- 623
- 00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:54,833
- You're not trying
- to offend anyone.
- 624
- 00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:57,290
- See what you just said right there?
- Enlighten people.
- 625
- 00:28:57,291 --> 00:28:59,165
- You think that's offensive?
- That says to people,
- 626
- 00:28:59,166 --> 00:29:01,833
- you're in the dark,
- let me enlighten you.
- 627
- 00:29:01,834 --> 00:29:03,999
- No, no, no, no, no.
- Educate.
- 628
- 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,958
- You're stupid,
- let me educate you.
- 629
- 00:29:05,959 --> 00:29:07,791
- No. That's not true.
- 630
- 00:29:07,792 --> 00:29:09,457
- I think people don't
- know statistics.
- 631
- 00:29:09,458 --> 00:29:11,582
- They don't know the reality
- of what's happening.
- 632
- 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:13,374
- You can't come in and say,
- "You're wrong."
- 633
- 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:15,499
- No. You have to come in and say,
- 634
- 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,499
- "Let's talk, and believe in
- 635
- 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,624
- the goodness of people." You
- have to change people's minds
- 636
- 00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:21,165
- as a friend and an ally.
- 637
- 00:29:21,166 --> 00:29:22,999
- You don't have to change
- people's minds.
- 638
- 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,249
- They have to change their minds.
- 639
- 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:26,999
- We have to, like,
- in my opinion, it's like...
- 640
- 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,791
- Did you put boloney in this?
- 641
- 00:29:28,792 --> 00:29:30,124
- There's ham in there.
- 642
- 00:29:30,125 --> 00:29:31,958
- It's really weird tasting.
- Is it?
- 643
- 00:29:31,959 --> 00:29:33,666
- We don't usually put ham
- in sandwiches, right?
- 644
- 00:29:33,667 --> 00:29:35,999
- This is the first time. No,
- but it's, like, what was in there.
- 645
- 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,541
- The Mormon... This is where
- I was raised, Mormonism.
- 646
- 00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:40,708
- So, this is my community,
- these are my people.
- 647
- 00:29:40,709 --> 00:29:42,833
- That's the last thing
- that I want to do
- 648
- 00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:44,666
- is to say,
- "I'm right, you're wrong."
- 649
- 00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,124
- "Look, come and let me
- tell you why."
- 650
- 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,457
- It needs to be,
- everybody come to the table
- 651
- 00:29:48,458 --> 00:29:50,374
- and let's see what's happening.
- 652
- 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:53,249
- This is... these are
- the people who are in it.
- 653
- 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,624
- You know.
- Yeah.
- 654
- 00:29:54,625 --> 00:29:57,582
- Their message is 10 times more
- powerful than me getting up,
- 655
- 00:29:57,583 --> 00:30:00,374
- Hey, I'm the singer of Imagine
- Dragons. You know that song?
- 656
- 00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:02,999
- ♪ Radioactive! Radioactive! ♪
- 657
- 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,207
- Now let me tell you everything
- that I know about this subject
- 658
- 00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,124
- because I really don't
- know that much,
- 659
- 00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:08,999
- and everybody's gonna be like...
- 660
- 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,165
- I'm all heart. I'm...
- The education is yet to come.
- 661
- 00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:15,082
- So...
- 662
- 00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:16,959
- Oh gosh. Well, hey,
- 663
- 00:30:17,875 --> 00:30:19,582
- we are kind of all heart.
- 664
- 00:30:25,709 --> 00:30:26,708
- Hello?
- 665
- 00:30:26,709 --> 00:30:27,792
- John, how you doing?
- 666
- 00:30:28,709 --> 00:30:30,708
- Good, how are you, Dan?
- Hey.
- 667
- 00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:32,874
- It's an honor to, uh...
- 668
- 00:30:32,875 --> 00:30:34,249
- to, to talk and to meet.
- 669
- 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:35,708
- Right back at you.
- Yeah. Virtually.
- 670
- 00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:37,165
- Can you hear and see me okay?
- 671
- 00:30:37,166 --> 00:30:39,082
- Yeah, I, I hear
- and I see you good.
- 672
- 00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:41,541
- Um, you're a little choppy
- here and there, but not bad.
- 673
- 00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:44,332
- I'll close a bunch of windows
- and just make sure.
- 674
- 00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:46,958
- Yeah, are you playing World of
- Warcraft while you're talking to me?
- 675
- 00:30:46,959 --> 00:30:50,040
- No, I'm not.
- 676
- 00:30:50,041 --> 00:30:51,207
- My name is John Dehlin,
- 677
- 00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:54,040
- and I'm a sixth-generation
- Mormon,
- 678
- 00:30:54,041 --> 00:30:58,082
- raised, uh, as a devout
- orthodox-believing Mormon.
- 679
- 00:30:58,083 --> 00:30:59,624
- Mormonism was everything to me
- 680
- 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:01,082
- 'cause my parents
- had been divorced,
- 681
- 00:31:01,083 --> 00:31:04,207
- and I felt like the church
- took care of me and nurtured me
- 682
- 00:31:04,208 --> 00:31:06,124
- when my family
- was falling apart.
- 683
- 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:07,833
- In 2009, I started a PhD
- 684
- 00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:10,207
- in clinical
- and counseling psychology.
- 685
- 00:31:10,208 --> 00:31:14,541
- I was just noticing all these LGBT Mormons
- that were depressed and suicidal,
- 686
- 00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:15,916
- and, um...
- 687
- 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:18,457
- the church was encouraging
- mixed orientation marriages,
- 688
- 00:31:18,458 --> 00:31:20,999
- where you're gay, but you
- marry a straight person.
- 689
- 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,332
- My name is Ricardo.
- 690
- 00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:25,290
- I am a Mormon.
- 691
- 00:31:25,291 --> 00:31:27,999
- I'm a father of six children,
- 692
- 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,624
- and I am attracted to men.
- 693
- 00:31:29,625 --> 00:31:32,082
- The attractions aren't
- gonna go away.
- 694
- 00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:33,958
- They're gonna be there
- my whole life,
- 695
- 00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:37,582
- but I don't feel that I'm
- losing anything in my life.
- 696
- 00:31:37,583 --> 00:31:39,791
- To me, that's being authentic,
- 697
- 00:31:39,792 --> 00:31:43,916
- is it's finding that
- core happiness within you.
- 698
- 00:31:43,917 --> 00:31:46,708
- And for me, it's important
- that that core happiness
- 699
- 00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:49,833
- is aligned with
- my beliefs in the gospel.
- 700
- 00:31:49,834 --> 00:31:51,332
- They were encouraging celibacy.
- 701
- 00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,082
- I feel now, being around people
- 702
- 00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:56,249
- that know that I'm gay,
- 703
- 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,124
- I'm able to be myself.
- 704
- 00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:01,416
- And I'm not having to
- 705
- 00:32:01,417 --> 00:32:04,207
- make up excuses of
- why I'm not dating
- 706
- 00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:07,416
- or I'm not married
- or I'm not falling in love.
- 707
- 00:32:07,417 --> 00:32:10,249
- What's been so great
- about this experience
- 708
- 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,082
- is that I've been
- able to understand
- 709
- 00:32:13,083 --> 00:32:14,874
- what really makes me happy,
- 710
- 00:32:14,875 --> 00:32:18,207
- and that is pleasing God.
- 711
- 00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:20,290
- So, we decided to study, uh,
- 712
- 00:32:20,291 --> 00:32:24,332
- what decisions led to healthy
- outcomes for LGBT people,
- 713
- 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:26,749
- and what decisions
- led to unhealthy outcomes.
- 714
- 00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:30,708
- I just wanted to understand
- a couple things.
- 715
- 00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:33,791
- Can you change being gay
- or lesbian if you try?
- 716
- 00:32:33,792 --> 00:32:36,374
- What happens if you
- just try to be celibate?
- 717
- 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:39,874
- What happens if you just
- try and marry a woman?
- 718
- 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,416
- Mixed orientation marriages
- were a disaster.
- 719
- 00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:45,207
- Celibacy was the worst
- possible option
- 720
- 00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:47,416
- that they could have chosen.
- 721
- 00:32:47,417 --> 00:32:48,416
- Uh...
- 722
- 00:32:48,417 --> 00:32:49,874
- Hundreds and hundreds
- of the people
- 723
- 00:32:49,875 --> 00:32:51,874
- mentioned suicide
- in their narratives,
- 724
- 00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:54,791
- of wanting to kill themselves
- because of the struggle.
- 725
- 00:32:54,792 --> 00:32:56,874
- Feeling like God
- didn't love 'em,
- 726
- 00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,416
- that God wouldn't heal them,
- 727
- 00:32:58,417 --> 00:33:01,708
- and so they must have been
- beyond God's love and power.
- 728
- 00:33:01,709 --> 00:33:05,374
- The suicide rates,
- uh, in Utah are alarming.
- 729
- 00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:07,374
- We've seen the suicide rates
- 730
- 00:33:07,375 --> 00:33:09,958
- of youth between the ages
- of 15 and 19
- 731
- 00:33:09,959 --> 00:33:11,916
- double in the past
- two to three years,
- 732
- 00:33:11,917 --> 00:33:15,999
- and triple over the past
- eight or nine years since 2008.
- 733
- 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,958
- Nowhere else in the entire
- United States are we seeing
- 734
- 00:33:19,959 --> 00:33:23,499
- youth suicide rates
- double and triple
- 735
- 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,833
- over that same time period.
- 736
- 00:33:25,834 --> 00:33:27,749
- And so, what's the cause?
- 737
- 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:30,082
- What happened in 2007, 2008?
- 738
- 00:33:30,083 --> 00:33:33,249
- It was when
- the predominant religion
- 739
- 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:38,333
- within the state of Utah
- declares war on LGBT people.
- 740
- 00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:41,249
- Today, I'd like to explain
- 741
- 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:44,125
- how I became an LGBT ally
- as a Mormon.
- 742
- 00:33:45,041 --> 00:33:48,999
- I gave a TED Talk in, uh, 2013.
- 743
- 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,457
- I want to begin
- by making a point.
- 744
- 00:33:51,458 --> 00:33:55,374
- That you can literally
- save the lives
- 745
- 00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:57,999
- of your LGBT
- brothers and sisters,
- 746
- 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,582
- sons and daughters,
- through love.
- 747
- 00:34:00,583 --> 00:34:05,958
- Well, I gave the TED Talk in,
- like, October or November, 2013,
- 748
- 00:34:05,959 --> 00:34:08,582
- and by January
- or February of 2014,
- 749
- 00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:10,541
- my bishop had called me in,
- 750
- 00:34:10,542 --> 00:34:12,124
- and, uh, told me he was starting
- 751
- 00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:14,749
- an investigation
- into my membership.
- 752
- 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:16,541
- And in February of 2015,
- 753
- 00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:18,249
- I was excommunicated
- from the church.
- 754
- 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,874
- Hmm.
- There's no doubt in my mind
- 755
- 00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:23,749
- that my public support
- of LGBT people
- 756
- 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:25,792
- was a major factor
- in my excommunication.
- 757
- 00:34:27,291 --> 00:34:30,165
- Excommunication is
- about the worst thing
- 758
- 00:34:30,166 --> 00:34:31,916
- that a Mormon could
- ever experience.
- 759
- 00:34:31,917 --> 00:34:35,124
- It basically means,
- from a religious perspective,
- 760
- 00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:38,457
- that you're cut off from your
- family for all of eternity.
- 761
- 00:34:38,458 --> 00:34:39,874
- That your family's gonna go
- 762
- 00:34:39,875 --> 00:34:41,624
- to this really nice place
- in heaven,
- 763
- 00:34:41,625 --> 00:34:44,958
- and you're gonna be alone,
- uh, in a dark, sad place,
- 764
- 00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:46,499
- and that's what
- excommunication means.
- 765
- 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,708
- It means you can't
- participate in church.
- 766
- 00:34:48,709 --> 00:34:52,332
- It's basically condemning you to
- the Mormon equivalent of hell.
- 767
- 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:54,624
- And it was... But more than that,
- 768
- 00:34:54,625 --> 00:34:56,874
- it's cutting you off
- from your tribe.
- 769
- 00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:58,332
- It's cutting you off
- from your people,
- 770
- 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,833
- from your friends,
- from your family.
- 771
- 00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:02,916
- Uh, I have family members
- that won't speak to me.
- 772
- 00:35:02,917 --> 00:35:06,582
- Um, and it's...
- devastating.
- 773
- 00:35:06,583 --> 00:35:09,083
- Oh, man. Uh...
- 774
- 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,999
- My family is all Mormon,
- and they're very active.
- 775
- 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,666
- I have a... I have a real fear
- of losing all that.
- 776
- 00:35:19,667 --> 00:35:22,999
- Maybe you've heard
- the quote, um,
- 777
- 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,207
- "The only thing required
- for evil to persist
- 778
- 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,833
- is for good men to do nothing."
- 779
- 00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:31,666
- You've probably heard that, right?
- I have. Yeah.
- 780
- 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:32,874
- I've always loved the church.
- 781
- 00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:35,666
- I still do. I still
- consider myself Mormon.
- 782
- 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,749
- Um... and so... But I felt
- the same way you did.
- 783
- 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:42,749
- I didn't want to leave it.
- I didn't want to be excommunicated.
- 784
- 00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:46,541
- I do think the number
- of overt bigots out there,
- 785
- 00:35:46,542 --> 00:35:49,165
- as a percentage,
- is really small,
- 786
- 00:35:49,166 --> 00:35:51,833
- but the number of,
- of Mormons, frankly,
- 787
- 00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:54,624
- who just have decided
- to remain silent
- 788
- 00:35:54,625 --> 00:35:56,332
- is extremely large.
- 789
- 00:35:56,333 --> 00:35:59,457
- And so,
- I've been watching you guys.
- 790
- 00:35:59,458 --> 00:36:02,916
- And in my heart, I'm just like,
- things are gonna change
- 791
- 00:36:02,917 --> 00:36:05,290
- when these guys are
- willing to speak up.
- 792
- 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,708
- ♪ Here's to my future ♪
- 793
- 00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:13,999
- ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪
- 794
- 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,207
- ♪ Here's to change, oh ♪
- 795
- 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:18,791
- ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪
- 796
- 00:36:18,792 --> 00:36:23,207
- ♪ No tomorrow
- without a yesterday ♪
- 797
- 00:36:23,208 --> 00:36:24,833
- ♪ Here's to my future ♪
- 798
- 00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:27,249
- This house
- was built 125 years ago
- 799
- 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,416
- by a polygamist named
- William D. Alexander.
- 800
- 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:31,290
- Yeah, you actually, you have
- the view of the temple...
- 801
- 00:36:31,291 --> 00:36:32,833
- So, check out that.
- Wow, yeah.
- 802
- 00:36:32,834 --> 00:36:35,666
- Little did he know
- that someday his rainbow window
- 803
- 00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,916
- would perfectly
- encase that Moroni.
- 804
- 00:36:37,917 --> 00:36:40,791
- The Captain Moroni on the top
- of the Mormon Temple. Yeah.
- 805
- 00:36:41,959 --> 00:36:43,165
- So, the kids can kind of, just,
- 806
- 00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:44,582
- come in here after school's out.
- 807
- 00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:48,290
- Just come hang out, find a place
- of just refuge and kind of...
- 808
- 00:36:48,291 --> 00:36:49,499
- Yeah. The whole idea is
- 809
- 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,582
- they just walk in like
- it's their own home.
- 810
- 00:36:51,583 --> 00:36:54,249
- Um, I did have
- an area authority ask me,
- 811
- 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:55,457
- when these kids come here,
- 812
- 00:36:55,458 --> 00:36:58,040
- and you're going to
- make them more gay,
- 813
- 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:00,541
- and their families aren't...
- 814
- 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:01,999
- And I was like, no, no, no, no.
- 815
- 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,708
- We are just here
- to love and support them,
- 816
- 00:37:04,709 --> 00:37:06,499
- and give them
- a safe place to be.
- 817
- 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,416
- ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪
- 818
- 00:37:09,417 --> 00:37:13,708
- So, maybe tell me about
- how you got involved here.
- 819
- 00:37:13,709 --> 00:37:17,332
- My mom is... working here?
- Is that what it is?
- 820
- 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:20,791
- I am volunteering here. Yeah.
- Volunteering.
- 821
- 00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:23,165
- When you came out,
- 822
- 00:37:23,166 --> 00:37:26,791
- how was that received with
- your friends, with the church?
- 823
- 00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:29,249
- Um, it was only this Sunday
- 824
- 00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:31,666
- that I came out to the church.
- Okay.
- 825
- 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,833
- Hi, my name is Savannah,
- 826
- 00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:37,457
- and I want to share
- my testimony with you.
- 827
- 00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:40,582
- I believe I'm a child with
- heavenly parents. I don't...
- 828
- 00:37:40,583 --> 00:37:43,708
- I went up during
- testimony meeting,
- 829
- 00:37:43,709 --> 00:37:47,165
- and I bore my testimony on how
- 830
- 00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:50,082
- everyone is made
- the certain way that they are,
- 831
- 00:37:50,083 --> 00:37:52,541
- and how I was made to be gay.
- 832
- 00:37:52,542 --> 00:37:55,124
- I believe I was made
- the way I am...
- 833
- 00:37:55,125 --> 00:37:56,874
- I felt nervous, actually,
- 834
- 00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:00,249
- 'cause I didn't know
- what people would react.
- 835
- 00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:03,290
- They did not mess up
- when they gave me freckles
- 836
- 00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:05,833
- or when they made me to be gay.
- 837
- 00:38:05,834 --> 00:38:07,332
- God loves me just this way
- 838
- 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:10,165
- because I believe that
- he loves all his creations.
- 839
- 00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:12,708
- I hope to get married
- and have a family.
- 840
- 00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:15,457
- I know these dreams and wishes
- are good and right.
- 841
- 00:38:15,458 --> 00:38:17,249
- I know I can have
- all of these things
- 842
- 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:19,791
- as a, as a lesbian
- and be happy...
- 843
- 00:38:19,792 --> 00:38:23,582
- I didn't get to finish all
- the way through my testimony.
- 844
- 00:38:23,583 --> 00:38:25,582
- I think it was, like,
- a paragraph later after
- 845
- 00:38:25,583 --> 00:38:28,165
- I said the word "lesbian,"
- 846
- 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:29,791
- they cut me off.
- 847
- 00:38:29,792 --> 00:38:31,082
- I want to love myself
- 848
- 00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:33,708
- and not feel ashamed
- for being me.
- 849
- 00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,125
- I ask you to...
- 850
- 00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:42,416
- It was a member of the
- stake presidency that was there.
- 851
- 00:38:42,417 --> 00:38:43,749
- He leaned over to a counselor...
- 852
- 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:44,916
- Leaned over and have him
- 853
- 00:38:44,917 --> 00:38:46,750
- turn off the mic
- and asked her to go sit.
- 854
- 00:38:48,291 --> 00:38:52,499
- It was a little depressing
- and sad when it happened,
- 855
- 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,833
- but I feel more happy now
- that it has happened,
- 856
- 00:38:57,834 --> 00:39:00,207
- 'cause now I got
- to share my feelings.
- 857
- 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,749
- You know, if my answer
- of what resonates here
- 858
- 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:10,624
- doesn't line up with what
- the prophet, etcetera, says,
- 859
- 00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:14,666
- you know, it's like, hard
- for my family to see that.
- 860
- 00:39:14,667 --> 00:39:18,582
- All I can do is accept them
- and love them where they're at,
- 861
- 00:39:18,583 --> 00:39:21,582
- and, like, hope
- that they can offer...
- 862
- 00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,582
- um,
- 863
- 00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:27,416
- the same thing back to me.
- 864
- 00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,040
- Something that happened recently with
- my brother who was on his mission.
- 865
- 00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:34,916
- He was, like, one of the first
- people that I came out to.
- 866
- 00:39:34,917 --> 00:39:39,582
- Um... about the time, I told him,
- and when I came out, he was like,
- 867
- 00:39:39,583 --> 00:39:42,082
- "No, it's just the devil,"
- and he slapped me really hard.
- 868
- 00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:44,290
- So when you told him,
- 869
- 00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,958
- he said, "It's the devil,"
- and he slapped you? Yeah.
- 870
- 00:39:46,959 --> 00:39:49,749
- Because you were,
- like, following the devil?
- 871
- 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,542
- Yes.
- In the callings? Wow.
- 872
- 00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:54,874
- All of you, in my opinion,
- 873
- 00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:57,207
- even being here right now,
- 874
- 00:39:57,208 --> 00:39:58,624
- um...
- 875
- 00:39:58,625 --> 00:40:01,791
- are far braver than
- I could've ever understood
- 876
- 00:40:01,792 --> 00:40:03,541
- 'cause I'm just, like,
- dealing with, like,
- 877
- 00:40:03,542 --> 00:40:06,290
- oh, religion and these things,
- you know, but...
- 878
- 00:40:06,291 --> 00:40:09,290
- but you guys are, are so brave.
- 879
- 00:40:09,291 --> 00:40:11,791
- Thank you. Thank you
- for letting me sit in
- 880
- 00:40:11,792 --> 00:40:13,916
- and be part of what
- could be so uncomfortable,
- 881
- 00:40:13,917 --> 00:40:17,124
- and I can be the most awkward
- person ever.
- 882
- 00:40:17,125 --> 00:40:19,791
- And you guys have made me feel
- totally comfortable here, too.
- 883
- 00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:21,207
- And, um, so, thank you.
- 884
- 00:40:21,208 --> 00:40:23,374
- I love you all,
- and love is love,
- 885
- 00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,332
- and, uh, yeah. Thanks.
- 886
- 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:27,457
- Thanks, Dan!
- 887
- 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,749
- And here are our
- crisis counselors here
- 888
- 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:44,624
- are ready to take phone calls.
- 889
- 00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,999
- Our research here at The
- Trevor Project has found that
- 890
- 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,082
- if an LGBT young person
- has one supportive adult,
- 891
- 00:40:51,083 --> 00:40:54,457
- the risk of suicide
- is lessened by 30 percent.
- 892
- 00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:55,999
- Wow.
- It's incredible.
- 893
- 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,999
- The Mormons are way over here
- 894
- 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,332
- and the LGBTQ community
- is way over here.
- 895
- 00:40:59,333 --> 00:41:00,791
- So it's like, to me, I was like,
- 896
- 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,416
- well, what's a safe way we can
- bring everybody together,
- 897
- 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,833
- but also a place to be
- a little more educated?
- 898
- 00:41:05,834 --> 00:41:07,582
- And for some Mormons,
- 899
- 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,874
- guarantee this will be
- the first time they'll sit down
- 900
- 00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:14,916
- and listen to someone who is LGBTQ talk
- for more than, like, five minutes.
- 901
- 00:41:14,917 --> 00:41:18,207
- I have these Mormon moms
- come in from their temple shift,
- 902
- 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:19,874
- and they're very defensive,
- 903
- 00:41:19,875 --> 00:41:22,082
- until they fall in love
- with a gay person.
- 904
- 00:41:22,083 --> 00:41:24,666
- They could fall in love with
- Tyler for just five minutes. Yep.
- 905
- 00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:26,082
- Then, it's game over.
- 906
- 00:41:30,333 --> 00:41:32,582
- So, Dragons, Trees...
- 907
- 00:41:32,583 --> 00:41:35,666
- Dragons, Trees,
- interspersed with speakers.
- 908
- 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:37,999
- I mean, that alone
- is gonna be like...
- 909
- 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,290
- Rad.
- ...20,000 people.
- 910
- 00:41:39,291 --> 00:41:40,499
- Have you thought about where?
- 911
- 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,999
- I think Pioneer Park.
- 912
- 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,374
- Isn't it right
- next to the temple,
- 913
- 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:44,708
- someone was telling me
- or something?
- 914
- 00:41:44,709 --> 00:41:47,165
- Um, it's like
- three blocks from it.
- 915
- 00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:49,582
- Three blocks from the temple?
- Ah. Mm-hmm.
- 916
- 00:41:49,583 --> 00:41:52,165
- Yeah, so they
- hold huge events here.
- 917
- 00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:54,916
- And do they have, like,
- food trucks or anything like that?
- 918
- 00:41:54,917 --> 00:41:57,249
- Yeah, so there's,
- like, event vendors...
- 919
- 00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:59,249
- What do you think the name
- of the festival should be?
- 920
- 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,958
- It needs to be something
- that the Mormons are like,
- 921
- 00:42:00,959 --> 00:42:02,457
- oh, this sounds rad
- and I want to come to it,
- 922
- 00:42:02,458 --> 00:42:04,958
- but it should sound progressive
- and cool, and not boring.
- 923
- 00:42:04,959 --> 00:42:05,958
- LoveLoud.
- LoveLoud.
- 924
- 00:42:05,959 --> 00:42:07,499
- LoveLoud Festival.
- Or LoveLouder.
- 925
- 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,624
- LoveLoud Festival.
- 926
- 00:42:08,625 --> 00:42:09,582
- LoveLoud Festival.
- 927
- 00:42:09,583 --> 00:42:10,833
- That's kinda cool.
- It is.
- 928
- 00:42:10,834 --> 00:42:11,958
- LoveLoud Festival.
- 929
- 00:42:11,959 --> 00:42:13,624
- "Are you going to LoveLoud?"
- That's kinda cool.
- 930
- 00:42:13,625 --> 00:42:14,874
- No, I'm going to LoveLouder.
- 931
- 00:42:14,875 --> 00:42:16,582
- No, I'm going to LoveLouder.
- 932
- 00:42:16,583 --> 00:42:20,165
- ♪ As I have loved you ♪
- 933
- 00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:23,833
- ♪ Love one another ♪
- 934
- 00:42:23,834 --> 00:42:27,499
- ♪ This new commandment ♪
- 935
- 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:31,290
- ♪ Love one another ♪
- 936
- 00:42:31,291 --> 00:42:35,708
- ♪ By this shall man know ♪
- 937
- 00:42:35,709 --> 00:42:40,040
- ♪ Ye are my disciples ♪
- 938
- 00:42:40,041 --> 00:42:43,290
- ♪ If ye have loved ♪
- 939
- 00:42:43,291 --> 00:42:46,749
- ♪ One to another ♪
- 940
- 00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:48,457
- It's actually pretty.
- Yeah, it is.
- 941
- 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:51,541
- It's a really, it's a...
- it's a Mormon...
- 942
- 00:42:51,542 --> 00:42:53,124
- When you're a young Mormon,
- 943
- 00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:55,833
- you're in a group
- called Primary,
- 944
- 00:42:55,834 --> 00:42:57,874
- and it's, like,
- all the young kids, like,
- 945
- 00:42:57,875 --> 00:42:59,082
- get together, and they all have
- 946
- 00:42:59,083 --> 00:43:02,124
- this rambunctious class
- where they learn about God.
- 947
- 00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:04,165
- And you learn, like,
- these songs together.
- 948
- 00:43:04,166 --> 00:43:05,541
- Primary songs, yeah.
- Primary songs.
- 949
- 00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:07,332
- Like children's hymns, basically.
- Yeah.
- 950
- 00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:10,290
- And one of them, first ones you
- learn is "Love One Another."
- 951
- 00:43:10,291 --> 00:43:12,374
- Which is a really rad...
- It's actually beautiful.
- 952
- 00:43:12,375 --> 00:43:13,457
- Yeah. It's a beautiful song,
- 953
- 00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:15,249
- and the whole point
- of it is about
- 954
- 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,374
- just love one another, and so...
- 955
- 00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:21,457
- It's interesting
- that that gets lost in...
- 956
- 00:43:21,458 --> 00:43:24,541
- you know, when it's really
- just such a simple idea...
- 957
- 00:43:24,542 --> 00:43:28,165
- Totally... that we're taught
- super young in the church.
- 958
- 00:43:32,917 --> 00:43:34,499
- A lot of Mormons are really
- 959
- 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,833
- good-hearted, loving,
- kind, charitable people,
- 960
- 00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:40,833
- who want what's right,
- and they want to be kind
- 961
- 00:43:40,834 --> 00:43:43,624
- and loving and tolerant,
- but they have leaders
- 962
- 00:43:43,625 --> 00:43:45,999
- that are telling them what
- to think and how to behave.
- 963
- 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,249
- If children have
- a happy family experience,
- 964
- 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:51,207
- they will not want
- to be homosexuals,
- 965
- 00:43:51,208 --> 00:43:53,374
- which I am sure is
- an acquired addiction,
- 966
- 00:43:53,375 --> 00:43:56,040
- just as drugs, alcohol,
- and pornography are.
- 967
- 00:43:56,041 --> 00:44:00,874
- Adultery, fornication,
- committing homosexual acts,
- 968
- 00:44:00,875 --> 00:44:04,040
- and other deviations
- approaching these in gravity,
- 969
- 00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:07,624
- are not acceptable
- alternate lifestyles.
- 970
- 00:44:07,625 --> 00:44:10,290
- They are serious sins.
- 971
- 00:44:10,291 --> 00:44:15,332
- We regard same-sex marriage as
- a particularly grievous or, uh,
- 972
- 00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:20,874
- significant, serious kind of sin
- that requires church discipline.
- 973
- 00:44:20,875 --> 00:44:24,332
- Mormon leaders
- claim to talk to God,
- 974
- 00:44:24,333 --> 00:44:28,374
- so when the church make statements
- in the '80s and '90s and 2000s
- 975
- 00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:32,666
- that to be gay is evil,
- that to be in a same-sex,
- 976
- 00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:35,416
- uh, marriage or committed
- relationship is evil,
- 977
- 00:44:35,417 --> 00:44:38,082
- they're not just saying
- that as their own opinion.
- 978
- 00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:40,040
- They're basically saying
- that God speaks
- 979
- 00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:43,250
- to the leader of our church
- and takes that position.
- 980
- 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:46,874
- As the church has
- seen in the past,
- 981
- 00:44:46,875 --> 00:44:48,791
- when the church
- takes a position,
- 982
- 00:44:48,792 --> 00:44:51,374
- and then the rest
- of the nation changes,
- 983
- 00:44:51,375 --> 00:44:54,582
- so in the late 1800s,
- the church was a polygamous church,
- 984
- 00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:56,999
- and the rest of the nation
- wasn't cool with that,
- 985
- 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,082
- uh, the church was
- almost destroyed,
- 986
- 00:44:59,083 --> 00:45:00,374
- and so, the church
- had to change.
- 987
- 00:45:00,375 --> 00:45:03,666
- Fast-forward to the 1960s,
- the whole United States
- 988
- 00:45:03,667 --> 00:45:08,082
- is starting to support
- African-Americans and civil rights.
- 989
- 00:45:08,083 --> 00:45:12,374
- And the IDS church is opposing,
- um, the civil rights movement
- 990
- 00:45:12,375 --> 00:45:15,332
- and that almost
- destroyed the church.
- 991
- 00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,749
- And so in 1978,
- the church changes again.
- 992
- 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:22,332
- He has heard our prayers,
- and by revelation has confirmed
- 993
- 00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:23,666
- that the long promised day
- 994
- 00:45:23,667 --> 00:45:26,874
- has come, when every
- faithful, worthy man
- 995
- 00:45:26,875 --> 00:45:28,999
- in the church may receive
- the holy priesthood.
- 996
- 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,624
- So, just like the church
- eventually got rid of polygamy,
- 997
- 00:45:31,625 --> 00:45:34,791
- the church eventually accepted
- blacks into full fellowship.
- 998
- 00:45:34,792 --> 00:45:37,290
- Accordingly, all worthy
- male members of the church
- 999
- 00:45:37,291 --> 00:45:39,708
- may be ordained to the chur...
- To the priesthood
- 1000
- 00:45:39,709 --> 00:45:43,290
- without regard
- for race or color.
- 1001
- 00:45:43,291 --> 00:45:44,999
- The church
- changed, and said, okay,
- 1002
- 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,999
- now is the time, God has spoken,
- 1003
- 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,666
- now you can have the priesthood.
- 1004
- 00:45:48,667 --> 00:45:51,582
- The thing is you're not
- going to change God's will,
- 1005
- 00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:52,875
- is basically what my mom said.
- 1006
- 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,165
- My mom said to me,
- when I told her
- 1007
- 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:55,457
- I was doing this,
- she was like, well,
- 1008
- 00:45:55,458 --> 00:45:57,666
- just because you're
- a rock star dude,
- 1009
- 00:45:57,667 --> 00:45:59,124
- you can't change God's will.
- 1010
- 00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:00,541
- While we are to value
- 1011
- 00:46:00,542 --> 00:46:03,958
- the rights and feelings
- of all of God's children,
- 1012
- 00:46:03,959 --> 00:46:08,666
- we cannot change his doctrine.
- It is not ours to change.
- 1013
- 00:46:08,667 --> 00:46:12,499
- False prophets and false
- teachers are those who
- 1014
- 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,249
- attempt to change the God-given,
- 1015
- 00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,290
- and scripturally based doctrines
- 1016
- 00:46:17,291 --> 00:46:19,541
- that protect
- the sanctity of marriage.
- 1017
- 00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:20,749
- Just because you go and pound
- 1018
- 00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,416
- on the brethren's door,
- and you're, like,
- 1019
- 00:46:22,417 --> 00:46:24,541
- Thomas S. Monson, come on,
- change this, man.
- 1020
- 00:46:24,542 --> 00:46:25,999
- Come on, change it!
- 1021
- 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,124
- He's not gonna change it
- for you, 'cause God's...
- 1022
- 00:46:28,125 --> 00:46:29,541
- He's only doing what
- God tells him to do,
- 1023
- 00:46:29,542 --> 00:46:31,416
- and God's not gonna
- change it for you.
- 1024
- 00:46:31,417 --> 00:46:34,124
- But if all the members of a church
- are talking about something,
- 1025
- 00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:36,874
- then the prophet's gonna
- pray about it more, right?
- 1026
- 00:46:36,875 --> 00:46:40,416
- I think that maybe I'm one part
- of this puzzle that's, like,
- 1027
- 00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:42,708
- you know, coming together,
- and hopefully the apostles
- 1028
- 00:46:42,709 --> 00:46:44,207
- and the prophet
- go pray about it,
- 1029
- 00:46:44,208 --> 00:46:49,499
- and God comes down
- and tells them what's up.
- 1030
- 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,958
- So, um, you know,
- there's a glimmer of hope,
- 1031
- 00:46:52,959 --> 00:46:55,624
- and in the long-term,
- I think there's a lot of hope.
- 1032
- 00:46:55,625 --> 00:46:57,499
- The question is, um,
- 1033
- 00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:58,708
- how long will it take
- to get there,
- 1034
- 00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:01,249
- and how many people
- will be hurt along the way?
- 1035
- 00:47:06,041 --> 00:47:08,040
- So we have three kids,
- 1036
- 00:47:08,041 --> 00:47:11,708
- and, um, Stockton is
- the youngest of the three.
- 1037
- 00:47:11,709 --> 00:47:14,874
- And, really, our story
- kind of begins
- 1038
- 00:47:14,875 --> 00:47:17,874
- with him at age 12,
- 1039
- 00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:19,916
- us finding a letter
- 1040
- 00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:24,332
- with him saying that
- he thought he was gay.
- 1041
- 00:47:24,333 --> 00:47:25,624
- At earlier times in his life,
- 1042
- 00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:28,916
- had either of you said,
- well, maybe he's gay?
- 1043
- 00:47:28,917 --> 00:47:30,708
- Or do you think he's gay?
- Does he seem...?
- 1044
- 00:47:30,709 --> 00:47:32,999
- No, we, um... yeah.
- 1045
- 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,499
- Our, uh, our gaydar
- was pretty weak.
- 1046
- 00:47:36,667 --> 00:47:38,500
- How did you think
- that they would react?
- 1047
- 00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:41,457
- Um...
- 1048
- 00:47:41,458 --> 00:47:43,833
- I thought they'd react
- kind of badly
- 1049
- 00:47:43,834 --> 00:47:46,332
- 'cause, I mean, they're Mormon.
- 1050
- 00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:49,582
- Not all Mormons
- react kindly to that.
- 1051
- 00:47:49,583 --> 00:47:51,416
- Um...
- I don't know.
- 1052
- 00:47:51,417 --> 00:47:54,332
- I didn't really think they were
- gonna kick me out of the house.
- 1053
- 00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:57,166
- I didn't think they were gonna
- be, "Oh yeah, you're gay. Cool."
- 1054
- 00:47:58,458 --> 00:48:01,125
- I'll just kind of...
- hide it.
- 1055
- 00:48:02,917 --> 00:48:04,290
- Yeah.
- 1056
- 00:48:04,291 --> 00:48:06,833
- You know, when we said, well,
- let's just kinda ride this out,
- 1057
- 00:48:06,834 --> 00:48:09,040
- that wasn't his MO.
- His MO was,
- 1058
- 00:48:09,041 --> 00:48:11,916
- Yeah, I think I'm gonna announce
- it at school tomorrow-type thing.
- 1059
- 00:48:11,917 --> 00:48:12,999
- So...
- Yeah.
- 1060
- 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,290
- He had his own bullhorn.
- Yeah. He...
- 1061
- 00:48:15,291 --> 00:48:18,457
- You know, he
- was pretty proud and out.
- 1062
- 00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:20,082
- I remember, um, I gave him...
- 1063
- 00:48:20,083 --> 00:48:23,582
- this, a pink, neon pink T-shirt
- 1064
- 00:48:23,583 --> 00:48:25,124
- that said, "Queer New World."
- 1065
- 00:48:25,125 --> 00:48:28,374
- And he was so excited
- by this neon pink shirt
- 1066
- 00:48:28,375 --> 00:48:31,874
- because it was gonna scandalize
- everyone in his school.
- 1067
- 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:33,040
- You know, he just thought,
- 1068
- 00:48:33,041 --> 00:48:34,959
- Well, this is me.
- What's the problem?
- 1069
- 00:48:35,917 --> 00:48:37,624
- And, unfortunately,
- 1070
- 00:48:37,625 --> 00:48:39,541
- not everybody
- was ready for that.
- 1071
- 00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:43,207
- When I was kind of internally
- realizing that I was gay,
- 1072
- 00:48:43,208 --> 00:48:44,624
- I got handed a pamphlet.
- 1073
- 00:48:44,625 --> 00:48:46,791
- "For the Strength of Youth,"
- 1074
- 00:48:46,792 --> 00:48:49,708
- and it said, homosexuality
- is a serious sin,
- 1075
- 00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:53,082
- and I got very angry
- about that and...
- 1076
- 00:48:53,083 --> 00:48:57,332
- um, it kind of just spiraled
- downward from there.
- 1077
- 00:49:04,917 --> 00:49:08,124
- So, did you feel that,
- even when he cut ties,
- 1078
- 00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:11,332
- he probably still felt the sting...
- yeah. He was angry. Oh yeah.
- 1079
- 00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:13,082
- He was angry.
- 1080
- 00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:15,165
- And he just didn't feel safe...
- Yeah.
- 1081
- 00:49:15,166 --> 00:49:18,165
- ...in a place that he
- should've felt the safest.
- 1082
- 00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:20,624
- ♪ Words fall through me ♪
- 1083
- 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,374
- ♪ And always fool me ♪
- 1084
- 00:49:23,375 --> 00:49:25,207
- The rest of society around him
- 1085
- 00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:27,999
- from church, to school,
- to government,
- 1086
- 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,040
- kept sending a message to
- Stockton that he was less than.
- 1087
- 00:49:33,041 --> 00:49:35,332
- You know,
- often kids would say to him,
- 1088
- 00:49:35,333 --> 00:49:36,708
- I can associate with you,
- 1089
- 00:49:36,709 --> 00:49:39,791
- but if my parents find out,
- then I can't.
- 1090
- 00:49:39,792 --> 00:49:43,749
- It was always,
- you know, this constant,
- 1091
- 00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:46,374
- "I like you, but..."
- or "I love you, but..."
- 1092
- 00:49:46,375 --> 00:49:49,457
- ♪ Take this sinking boat ♪
- 1093
- 00:49:49,458 --> 00:49:52,624
- ♪ And point it home ♪
- 1094
- 00:49:52,625 --> 00:49:57,250
- ♪ We've still got time ♪
- 1095
- 00:49:58,208 --> 00:50:00,999
- I could sense, you know,
- his frustrations,
- 1096
- 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,207
- and his anger, and his fears.
- 1097
- 00:50:04,208 --> 00:50:06,834
- He would say to me often,
- he'd say...
- 1098
- 00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:12,624
- "What's so wrong with me
- that I just can't have friends?"
- 1099
- 00:50:26,542 --> 00:50:29,416
- I really didn't see it coming.
- 1100
- 00:50:29,417 --> 00:50:32,458
- We were in Saint George,
- and just, um...
- 1101
- 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,833
- got a call...
- 1102
- 00:50:36,834 --> 00:50:39,207
- that he...
- 1103
- 00:50:39,208 --> 00:50:42,124
- was gone.
- 1104
- 00:50:46,625 --> 00:50:47,667
- And...
- 1105
- 00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:51,249
- Why didn't he call me?
- 1106
- 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:53,332
- Because I would
- have done anything.
- 1107
- 00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:57,791
- That's what breaks my heart
- is that he felt
- 1108
- 00:50:57,792 --> 00:51:00,082
- that much despair,
- and that he...
- 1109
- 00:51:00,083 --> 00:51:02,125
- Well, that he was alone.
- ...felt that alone.
- 1110
- 00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,207
- He like all of us...
- 1111
- 00:51:05,208 --> 00:51:06,958
- We're looking for the community.
- 1112
- 00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:08,833
- Right.
- Your tribe.
- 1113
- 00:51:08,834 --> 00:51:11,833
- And so, he was looking for
- his community and his tribe,
- 1114
- 00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:14,082
- and, so he...
- 1115
- 00:51:14,083 --> 00:51:15,541
- Yeah, it was, it was hard.
- 1116
- 00:51:15,542 --> 00:51:19,082
- 'Cause the community that
- should've been so loving
- 1117
- 00:51:19,083 --> 00:51:22,165
- and accepting of him
- and appreciative of his...
- 1118
- 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:23,999
- Of who he is just...
- 1119
- 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,457
- I mean, I think
- a lot of these kids
- 1120
- 00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:27,624
- really did love him
- and accept him,
- 1121
- 00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:31,374
- but they were at war
- with their dynamic.
- 1122
- 00:51:31,375 --> 00:51:34,416
- They're being taught at church what
- they're gonna be taught at home.
- 1123
- 00:51:34,417 --> 00:51:35,749
- Right. Yeah.
- 1124
- 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:38,165
- We need more voices.
- 1125
- 00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:40,417
- It's just, we need more voices.
- 1126
- 00:51:46,083 --> 00:51:47,624
- And he deserves it.
- 1127
- 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:11,040
- My heart is full tonight...
- 1128
- 00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:15,791
- ...for so many reasons...
- 1129
- 00:52:15,792 --> 00:52:18,207
- I think amidst all of this,
- a lot of people would wonder
- 1130
- 00:52:18,208 --> 00:52:20,541
- why I even associate
- with Mormonism,
- 1131
- 00:52:20,542 --> 00:52:22,624
- if, you know,
- it's causing this much harm.
- 1132
- 00:52:22,625 --> 00:52:24,791
- Why not just walk away
- and be done?
- 1133
- 00:52:24,792 --> 00:52:28,416
- We've lost our loved ones.
- We've lost them to suicide.
- 1134
- 00:52:28,417 --> 00:52:33,499
- I'm not gonna just walk away,
- and let the house on fire burn.
- 1135
- 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:37,332
- I'd rather do all that I can
- with this lucky spot
- 1136
- 00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:41,541
- that I've been put in
- to hopefully put out a fire.
- 1137
- 00:52:41,542 --> 00:52:43,999
- ♪ It's time to begin ♪
- 1138
- 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,624
- ♪ Isn't it? ♪
- 1139
- 00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:49,624
- ♪ I get a
- little bit bigger ♪
- 1140
- 00:52:49,625 --> 00:52:52,249
- ♪ But then I'll admit ♪
- 1141
- 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:57,250
- ♪ I'm just the same as I was ♪
- 1142
- 00:52:58,959 --> 00:53:04,792
- ♪ Now don't you understand ♪
- 1143
- 00:53:07,667 --> 00:53:12,874
- ♪ That I'm never
- changing who I am ♪
- 1144
- 00:53:16,458 --> 00:53:19,124
- I have these tools of,
- like, you know, hey,
- 1145
- 00:53:19,125 --> 00:53:21,666
- if I wanna put on a festival,
- we're gonna put on a festival,
- 1146
- 00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:23,207
- and at least some people
- are gonna come out
- 1147
- 00:53:23,208 --> 00:53:24,582
- because Imagine Dragons
- is playing.
- 1148
- 00:53:24,583 --> 00:53:26,749
- We can get this press,
- and we can get this interview
- 1149
- 00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:28,416
- because of Imagine Dragons.
- 1150
- 00:53:28,417 --> 00:53:31,749
- Dan, welcome to
- the show. How are you doing today?
- 1151
- 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:33,332
- I'm doing great. Um...
- 1152
- 00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:35,040
- I don't know
- if you can hear my baby
- 1153
- 00:53:35,041 --> 00:53:36,791
- screaming in the background.
- 1154
- 00:53:36,792 --> 00:53:39,332
- We're doing this documentary.
- I'm also putting on a festival,
- 1155
- 00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,958
- in Utah, August 26th,
- called LoveLoud.
- 1156
- 00:53:41,959 --> 00:53:44,374
- There's gonna be parents who are
- gonna get up and speak who've,
- 1157
- 00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:46,207
- who've lost their child
- to suicide.
- 1158
- 00:53:46,208 --> 00:53:49,624
- LoveLoud was this
- ginormous beast, suddenly.
- 1159
- 00:53:49,625 --> 00:53:51,374
- I was like okay,
- I'm gonna hire an assistant.
- 1160
- 00:53:51,375 --> 00:53:54,082
- I don't think he had any idea
- what he was signing up for.
- 1161
- 00:53:54,083 --> 00:53:57,249
- Uh, music festivals usually
- take at least a year.
- 1162
- 00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:59,290
- And we're trying to pull
- this off in a few months.
- 1163
- 00:53:59,291 --> 00:54:03,124
- We're gonna, hopefully,
- create enough rumblings
- 1164
- 00:54:03,125 --> 00:54:05,332
- that it's gets a ton
- of press coverage
- 1165
- 00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,290
- and that people
- start to understand
- 1166
- 00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:11,708
- that telling your child
- that it's sinful to be gay
- 1167
- 00:54:11,709 --> 00:54:13,541
- can be so destructive.
- 1168
- 00:54:13,542 --> 00:54:18,165
- Are you worried about fans being,
- maybe, turned off by activism?
- 1169
- 00:54:18,166 --> 00:54:20,499
- You know. "Come on, Dan.
- Just play your music." Sure.
- 1170
- 00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:23,040
- I have to pay attention
- to my heart
- 1171
- 00:54:23,041 --> 00:54:25,040
- and speak the things
- that are in my heart.
- 1172
- 00:54:25,041 --> 00:54:27,082
- I felt that by not speaking out,
- 1173
- 00:54:27,083 --> 00:54:30,207
- I was doing a big disservice
- to my community.
- 1174
- 00:54:30,208 --> 00:54:32,708
- My goal is to change
- this in the church,
- 1175
- 00:54:32,709 --> 00:54:34,624
- and not to say that
- I can change the church,
- 1176
- 00:54:34,625 --> 00:54:38,666
- but at least to bring together
- a ton of people who are Mormon
- 1177
- 00:54:38,667 --> 00:54:41,582
- who have said, you know,
- we've had enough with this.
- 1178
- 00:54:41,583 --> 00:54:44,165
- ♪ And I'm never
- changing who I am ♪
- 1179
- 00:55:14,875 --> 00:55:17,290
- I first met Dan in 2006,
- 1180
- 00:55:17,291 --> 00:55:19,290
- when I was a shy,
- closeted singer
- 1181
- 00:55:19,291 --> 00:55:23,249
- in a local band in Provo, Utah,
- called Neon Trees.
- 1182
- 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,207
- Dan, it's unbelievably exciting
- to see you use your platform
- 1183
- 00:55:29,208 --> 00:55:31,207
- to spread the love
- you have in your heart.
- 1184
- 00:55:31,208 --> 00:55:34,541
- That is the heroic move.
- 1185
- 00:55:34,542 --> 00:55:38,332
- We have a special message
- for you from one of our fans.
- 1186
- 00:55:38,333 --> 00:55:40,749
- Hi Dan. My name's Miranda.
- 1187
- 00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:43,374
- I am 16, and I am bisexual,
- 1188
- 00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:45,999
- but before anything else,
- I wanna say congratulations!
- 1189
- 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,624
- What you're doing
- makes a difference.
- 1190
- 00:55:47,625 --> 00:55:50,666
- What you're doing means
- so much to people like me,
- 1191
- 00:55:50,667 --> 00:55:53,582
- and I cannot thank you
- enough for it.
- 1192
- 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,457
- The Trevor
- Project is proud to honor
- 1193
- 00:55:57,458 --> 00:55:59,165
- my dear friend, Dan Reynolds,
- 1194
- 00:55:59,166 --> 00:56:00,791
- with the Trevor Hero Award.
- 1195
- 00:56:00,792 --> 00:56:02,666
- Please join me
- in a round of applause.
- 1196
- 00:56:15,792 --> 00:56:17,583
- Good luck.
- All right. All right.
- 1197
- 00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:20,749
- Uh...
- 1198
- 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:24,541
- I loved a lot of my mission.
- I did a ton of service work.
- 1199
- 00:56:24,542 --> 00:56:27,457
- I lost myself.
- I became nothing.
- 1200
- 00:56:27,458 --> 00:56:29,999
- You're the geeky,
- stupid-looking dude,
- 1201
- 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,207
- with the name badge and it's...
- 1202
- 00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:34,457
- and you get Slurpees
- thrown at you, and it's,
- 1203
- 00:56:34,458 --> 00:56:36,791
- it's humbling. It's humbling,
- and it was, it was good for me.
- 1204
- 00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:40,290
- But I want to... I'm sure you're wondering,
- where is he going with all this?
- 1205
- 00:56:40,291 --> 00:56:42,332
- And this is, this is
- where I'm going with it.
- 1206
- 00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:44,124
- For those two years,
- 1207
- 00:56:44,125 --> 00:56:47,749
- when people asked me
- what the doctrine was,
- 1208
- 00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:52,290
- and they said, "Hey, I am gay,
- or I feel, you know,
- 1209
- 00:56:52,291 --> 00:56:55,082
- "like I'd feel like,
- I like girls,
- 1210
- 00:56:55,083 --> 00:56:56,290
- and what do I do about this?"
- 1211
- 00:56:56,291 --> 00:56:58,958
- I taught that it was a sin
- 1212
- 00:56:58,959 --> 00:57:03,124
- because that's what
- I had been raised to teach.
- 1213
- 00:57:03,125 --> 00:57:06,124
- I never felt it in my heart
- since I was young.
- 1214
- 00:57:06,125 --> 00:57:08,040
- I hold regret
- about that to this day.
- 1215
- 00:57:08,041 --> 00:57:09,791
- I wish I could
- knock all those doors.
- 1216
- 00:57:09,792 --> 00:57:14,040
- I wish I could re-knock them,
- and tell them that I was wrong.
- 1217
- 00:57:14,041 --> 00:57:15,290
- I can't do that.
- 1218
- 00:57:15,291 --> 00:57:17,749
- All I can do is come forward
- to you today and tell you,
- 1219
- 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:21,124
- I sincerely am sorry.
- I, really, in my heart...
- 1220
- 00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,541
- Thank you for this.
- This is such a great honor.
- 1221
- 00:57:28,542 --> 00:57:31,708
- Thank you, thank you, thank you.
- 1222
- 00:57:31,709 --> 00:57:35,833
- And I know... I know it's been
- said, but love is love.
- 1223
- 00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:38,499
- Love is love.
- Thank you so much.
- 1224
- 00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:43,749
- We're less than two months
- out from the LoveLoud Festival,
- 1225
- 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:47,457
- which is super intimidating
- and scary for a million reasons
- 1226
- 00:57:47,458 --> 00:57:50,874
- because it feels like we're still
- just getting stuff together.
- 1227
- 00:57:50,875 --> 00:57:52,541
- And just say,
- "Take one." Take one.
- 1228
- 00:57:52,542 --> 00:57:54,916
- I'm here to make
- a very special announcement.
- 1229
- 00:57:54,917 --> 00:57:58,165
- On August 26th,
- in the Provo area,
- 1230
- 00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:01,290
- we're gonna be putting on
- a concert called LoveLoud...
- 1231
- 00:58:01,291 --> 00:58:05,290
- So with LoveLoud, we knew
- it was important to be in Utah.
- 1232
- 00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:08,749
- And I don't want to say
- that people were intentionally
- 1233
- 00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:10,457
- trying to curb this event.
- 1234
- 00:58:10,458 --> 00:58:12,541
- We can give them
- a sponsorship, like a...
- 1235
- 00:58:12,542 --> 00:58:13,999
- But when we started realizing
- 1236
- 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,457
- it was a lot of people being
- afraid to touch this issue.
- 1237
- 00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:19,916
- I thought we were
- gonna have a massive park.
- 1238
- 00:58:19,917 --> 00:58:22,124
- We're gonna show that
- the whole state of Utah
- 1239
- 00:58:22,125 --> 00:58:23,624
- actually believes in this.
- 1240
- 00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:28,959
- The reality hitting me is
- that not all of Utah wants this.
- 1241
- 00:58:30,083 --> 00:58:31,666
- I had tons of people
- who were like,
- 1242
- 00:58:31,667 --> 00:58:34,666
- you shouldn't talk about
- how we have, like,
- 1243
- 00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,374
- any issues with suicide.
- 1244
- 00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:38,290
- Let's not talk about that.
- 1245
- 00:58:38,291 --> 00:58:41,499
- I'm a little nervous to even click on the
- comments section, to be honest with you here.
- 1246
- 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,791
- "I know many LGBTQ-XYZ people,
- 1247
- 00:58:44,792 --> 00:58:47,416
- "and while I treat them like
- any other person I know,
- 1248
- 00:58:47,417 --> 00:58:50,249
- I don't agree with their choices
- to live that lifestyle."
- 1249
- 00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:52,666
- People might laugh
- because they might say, like,
- 1250
- 00:58:52,667 --> 00:58:57,332
- why is this straight white guy
- the poster child for this now?
- 1251
- 00:58:57,333 --> 00:58:59,874
- I don't know.
- People love to hate, you know?
- 1252
- 00:58:59,875 --> 00:59:01,541
- So, we'll see what happens.
- 1253
- 00:59:01,542 --> 00:59:06,332
- "Ditch Your Imagine Dragons Music
- because Dan Reynolds Embraced the Poz."
- 1254
- 00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:07,624
- P-O-Z.
- 1255
- 00:59:07,625 --> 00:59:10,624
- So I had no idea what that was,
- so I googled it.
- 1256
- 00:59:10,625 --> 00:59:13,958
- "Gay slang, willing to have sex
- with someone who is HIV positive
- 1257
- 00:59:13,959 --> 00:59:15,375
- by someone who is not."
- 1258
- 00:59:16,542 --> 00:59:18,082
- You start to feel,
- 1259
- 00:59:18,083 --> 00:59:22,999
- upset that it's, like,
- so blatantly obvious.
- 1260
- 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,749
- Like, look how obvious this is!
- 1261
- 00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:27,332
- Like, of course we have to love
- and accept everybody.
- 1262
- 00:59:27,333 --> 00:59:28,791
- Come on, guys!
- 1263
- 00:59:28,792 --> 00:59:33,082
- It's a terrible challenge
- to go into this intersection
- 1264
- 00:59:33,083 --> 00:59:38,332
- of LGBT individuals
- and communities of faith,
- 1265
- 00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,416
- which requires sensitivity
- on both sides,
- 1266
- 00:59:41,417 --> 00:59:42,958
- and a lot of nuance,
- 1267
- 00:59:42,959 --> 00:59:46,290
- and that is not
- an easy spot to be
- 1268
- 00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:47,999
- when you're someone like Dan.
- 1269
- 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,374
- You know, I just did
- an interview with Billboard,
- 1270
- 00:59:51,375 --> 00:59:54,791
- and my family saw it, and
- that's been a little difficult.
- 1271
- 00:59:54,792 --> 00:59:57,499
- Feeling like the family thinks
- that I'm doing something wrong,
- 1272
- 00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,833
- or I'm, like, making them
- look like bigots or something.
- 1273
- 00:59:59,834 --> 01:00:03,249
- That's, that's been, probably,
- the hardest thing for me.
- 1274
- 01:00:03,250 --> 01:00:07,290
- The risk is that in going
- to this vulnerable intersection,
- 1275
- 01:00:07,291 --> 01:00:09,499
- of not just,
- I wanna help LGBT individuals
- 1276
- 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,332
- have more peace and love
- and acceptance in their lives,
- 1277
- 01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:14,249
- but I'm gonna have
- an event in Provo, Utah,
- 1278
- 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:17,290
- and I'm going to talk
- about Mormon doctrine.
- 1279
- 01:00:17,291 --> 01:00:20,249
- Will you express it in
- a way that sounds like
- 1280
- 01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:23,249
- kicking somebody when they're
- down or throwing a stone?
- 1281
- 01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:25,708
- Or will it come across
- as someone that's
- 1282
- 01:00:25,709 --> 01:00:28,457
- putting his arms around his
- fellow brothers and sisters,
- 1283
- 01:00:28,458 --> 01:00:31,499
- and saying, hey,
- let's do better.
- 1284
- 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:33,791
- It makes the family nervous.
- 1285
- 01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:36,290
- But I love Dan and know
- he wants to do good.
- 1286
- 01:00:36,291 --> 01:00:39,374
- I know he's trying to be good,
- and I know he means well.
- 1287
- 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,374
- ♪ If I were you ♪
- 1288
- 01:01:20,375 --> 01:01:21,791
- ♪ I'd run away ♪
- 1289
- 01:01:21,792 --> 01:01:26,332
- ♪ Closing your eyes
- and count to 10 ♪
- 1290
- 01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:28,374
- ♪ Bird in the sky ♪
- 1291
- 01:01:28,375 --> 01:01:30,249
- ♪ Peace in your mind ♪
- 1292
- 01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:31,874
- There was a week in particular
- 1293
- 01:01:31,875 --> 01:01:36,249
- where everything with LoveLoud
- was basically falling apart.
- 1294
- 01:01:36,250 --> 01:01:39,916
- Why is it so much more difficult
- than I thought it would be?
- 1295
- 01:01:39,917 --> 01:01:43,916
- Like, you just say, "Hey, let's all meet
- in this park, this day and do something."
- 1296
- 01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:45,791
- As of yesterday, our whole team
- 1297
- 01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:48,082
- that we have together
- was kinda feeling like,
- 1298
- 01:01:48,083 --> 01:01:50,499
- we needed to cancel the event.
- 1299
- 01:01:58,875 --> 01:02:02,666
- Utah was just making it
- too impossible to put it on.
- 1300
- 01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:04,749
- ♪ If I was me ♪
- 1301
- 01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:06,666
- ♪ Weight on my back ♪
- 1302
- 01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:10,749
- ♪ Feeling the sun upon my eyes ♪
- 1303
- 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:12,833
- ♪ Where would I turn? ♪
- 1304
- 01:02:12,834 --> 01:02:14,666
- ♪ What would I burn? ♪
- 1305
- 01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:18,791
- ♪ I am a pawn within your hand ♪
- 1306
- 01:02:18,792 --> 01:02:21,500
- ♪ So many voices ♪
- 1307
- 01:02:39,417 --> 01:02:42,833
- ♪ Carving my blood
- into the stone ♪
- 1308
- 01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,999
- ♪ What do I do? ♪
- 1309
- 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,874
- ♪ Where do I turn? ♪
- 1310
- 01:02:46,875 --> 01:02:50,749
- ♪ Even my screams
- cease to be heard ♪
- 1311
- 01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:51,958
- Bye, everybody. Bye.
- 1312
- 01:02:51,959 --> 01:02:54,416
- Thanks, everyone.
- Bye. Okay.
- 1313
- 01:02:54,417 --> 01:02:55,791
- All right.
- Thank you.
- 1314
- 01:02:56,792 --> 01:02:58,999
- ♪ To be alone ♪
- 1315
- 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,458
- ♪ So many choices ♪
- 1316
- 01:03:06,834 --> 01:03:09,791
- I was on a, a phone call
- 1317
- 01:03:09,792 --> 01:03:12,541
- with, um,
- one of my fund-raisers,
- 1318
- 01:03:12,542 --> 01:03:14,833
- just going over
- a bunch of details,
- 1319
- 01:03:14,834 --> 01:03:17,583
- and my phone, uh,
- my phone kept ringing.
- 1320
- 01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:20,290
- I looked down,
- and it was my mom.
- 1321
- 01:03:20,291 --> 01:03:22,499
- I was like, ah, Mom.
- 1322
- 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:26,332
- Then she called again,
- and then she called a third time.
- 1323
- 01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:30,040
- And at that point, I realized,
- I need to talk to my mom.
- 1324
- 01:03:30,041 --> 01:03:31,999
- And, uh...
- 1325
- 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,624
- So I just said, hey,
- I need to end this call.
- 1326
- 01:03:33,625 --> 01:03:35,666
- I need to call my mom.
- 1327
- 01:03:35,667 --> 01:03:38,083
- And I called my mom, and, um...
- 1328
- 01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:42,082
- she was hysterical.
- 1329
- 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,874
- She told me my brother, Landon,
- 1330
- 01:03:50,875 --> 01:03:52,999
- had just hung himself...
- 1331
- 01:03:57,709 --> 01:04:00,791
- ...in Provo.
- 1332
- 01:04:05,417 --> 01:04:06,958
- ♪ In praise of you ♪
- 1333
- 01:04:06,959 --> 01:04:08,374
- ♪ Our faith is strong ♪
- 1334
- 01:04:08,375 --> 01:04:10,958
- ♪ We'll raise our colors
- high in the blue ♪
- 1335
- 01:04:10,959 --> 01:04:13,749
- ♪ And cheer our Cougars of BYU ♪
- 1336
- 01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:15,708
- ♪ Oh, rah, rah, rah-rah-rah ♪
- 1337
- 01:04:15,709 --> 01:04:19,457
- So Landon was
- attending BYU, the...
- 1338
- 01:04:19,458 --> 01:04:21,332
- IDS church's university.
- 1339
- 01:04:21,333 --> 01:04:24,874
- He also had a, uh,
- really cool girlfriend,
- 1340
- 01:04:24,875 --> 01:04:28,499
- and he'd kinda
- blossomed down there.
- 1341
- 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,290
- And then he and his girlfriend,
- they had sex,
- 1342
- 01:04:31,291 --> 01:04:33,332
- which is against the honor code.
- 1343
- 01:04:33,333 --> 01:04:35,958
- Landon was honest
- with the university
- 1344
- 01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:38,750
- and explained what had
- happened, and told them.
- 1345
- 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,082
- And they said...
- 1346
- 01:04:43,709 --> 01:04:46,624
- ...you're kicked out
- for five years, and...
- 1347
- 01:04:46,625 --> 01:04:49,582
- you can't associate
- with any of your professors.
- 1348
- 01:04:49,583 --> 01:04:50,792
- You're done.
- 1349
- 01:04:52,458 --> 01:04:55,582
- It started to put him into a
- downward spiral of depression
- 1350
- 01:04:55,583 --> 01:04:59,749
- and emotional wound after emotional
- wound, it was... it was hard for him.
- 1351
- 01:04:59,750 --> 01:05:02,749
- Even though in the eyes of his,
- 1352
- 01:05:02,750 --> 01:05:04,999
- his God, he was clean.
- 1353
- 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,457
- In the culture there, he wasn't.
- 1354
- 01:05:06,458 --> 01:05:08,124
- He was just a sinner.
- 1355
- 01:05:08,125 --> 01:05:11,457
- And, uh, that's how a lot of
- people looked at him.
- 1356
- 01:05:11,458 --> 01:05:13,833
- As less than.
- 1357
- 01:05:13,834 --> 01:05:16,249
- He just felt worthless.
- 1358
- 01:05:19,959 --> 01:05:21,416
- So it was really hard,
- because...
- 1359
- 01:05:25,333 --> 01:05:26,999
- ...night after night,
- day after day,
- 1360
- 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,290
- I'm spending all my time
- trying to bring this...
- 1361
- 01:05:30,291 --> 01:05:31,999
- trying to bring
- this festival to life,
- 1362
- 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,333
- to save lives and to help
- people not feel alone.
- 1363
- 01:05:49,458 --> 01:05:51,833
- It breaks my heart knowing
- that Landon got to a point
- 1364
- 01:05:51,834 --> 01:05:54,332
- where he believed
- that the only way his soul
- 1365
- 01:05:54,333 --> 01:05:57,249
- could go on was for it
- to leave his body.
- 1366
- 01:05:58,583 --> 01:06:01,332
- And the harsh reality is that,
- 1367
- 01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:04,207
- I mean, here in Utah,
- the leading cause of death
- 1368
- 01:06:04,208 --> 01:06:06,791
- for teenagers is suicide.
- 1369
- 01:06:09,959 --> 01:06:14,499
- I think we all can agree that we
- need to find a solution to this.
- 1370
- 01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:17,708
- And it's gonna take every
- single one of us in this room
- 1371
- 01:06:17,709 --> 01:06:19,500
- to make a difference.
- 1372
- 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,417
- I believe, and I know, that...
- 1373
- 01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:28,249
- Mormons are good people.
- 1374
- 01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:30,666
- That...
- 1375
- 01:06:30,667 --> 01:06:32,791
- we have sincere hearts.
- 1376
- 01:06:32,792 --> 01:06:34,792
- That we're no, no less...
- 1377
- 01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:38,791
- broken than any other society.
- 1378
- 01:06:38,792 --> 01:06:39,792
- Um...
- 1379
- 01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:43,958
- But the way that our culture
- is failing right now
- 1380
- 01:06:43,959 --> 01:06:46,249
- is in a very unique way,
- 1381
- 01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:48,582
- and in a deadly way.
- 1382
- 01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:57,457
- The shaming that happens in
- this culture needs to end.
- 1383
- 01:06:57,458 --> 01:06:58,749
- I believe in a higher power,
- 1384
- 01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:01,124
- and I believe in
- goodness and love,
- 1385
- 01:07:01,125 --> 01:07:03,082
- and I know we can do this.
- 1386
- 01:07:03,083 --> 01:07:06,999
- This isn't some
- insurmountable task.
- 1387
- 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,916
- It's feasible
- because I believe in us.
- 1388
- 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,582
- I had to respond to him,
- and I said,
- 1389
- 01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:22,874
- Lance, I'm so sorry that your
- brother just committed suicide.
- 1390
- 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:24,582
- You don't have
- to do this anymore.
- 1391
- 01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:27,124
- You know? You don't have
- to be on these calls. Please.
- 1392
- 01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:30,124
- Like, go take off time
- with your family.
- 1393
- 01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:32,709
- Like, you could, like,
- I'll do LoveLoud.
- 1394
- 01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:37,457
- And he... he just refuses.
- 1395
- 01:07:37,458 --> 01:07:39,333
- He texted me and he says,
- 1396
- 01:07:41,083 --> 01:07:43,958
- "I'm gonna be with my family
- for a few days,
- 1397
- 01:07:43,959 --> 01:07:47,541
- "but will still be working on
- everything and want you to know
- 1398
- 01:07:47,542 --> 01:07:48,916
- "we will make it happen.
- 1399
- 01:07:48,917 --> 01:07:51,916
- "No one deserves to feel the way
- my mother does right now,
- 1400
- 01:07:51,917 --> 01:07:53,916
- "and I'm going to work
- my hardest to ensure
- 1401
- 01:07:53,917 --> 01:07:56,249
- "that this suicide
- epidemic ends, man.
- 1402
- 01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:58,332
- "This is so wrong
- and has to stop.
- 1403
- 01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:00,624
- "I know you're stressing
- about this festival,
- 1404
- 01:08:00,625 --> 01:08:03,290
- "but I assure you,
- we're going to pull this off.
- 1405
- 01:08:03,291 --> 01:08:05,249
- "There are too many
- things going right.
- 1406
- 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,624
- "LoveLoud is going to happen
- 1407
- 01:08:06,625 --> 01:08:09,249
- and it's going to
- change the world."
- 1408
- 01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:11,666
- He just said,
- we're going to do this, Dan.
- 1409
- 01:08:11,667 --> 01:08:13,582
- We can do this.
- 1410
- 01:08:13,583 --> 01:08:15,958
- I have an idea.
- Let's do it grassroots.
- 1411
- 01:08:15,959 --> 01:08:18,457
- We don't need to get
- a bunch of money.
- 1412
- 01:08:18,458 --> 01:08:19,999
- We don't need to dumb it down
- 1413
- 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,457
- or clean it up or make it
- more vanilla to get sponsors.
- 1414
- 01:08:23,458 --> 01:08:24,999
- You know, you told me
- on the phone that
- 1415
- 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,332
- if we didn't get the money,
- 1416
- 01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:29,499
- we'd go stand in a park on...
- 1417
- 01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:33,332
- ...on a soapbox,
- and just scream to the world
- 1418
- 01:08:33,333 --> 01:08:35,124
- that things needed
- to change in Utah.
- 1419
- 01:08:35,125 --> 01:08:39,082
- We want it to be a safe space for
- everybody to come out and be able to...
- 1420
- 01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:42,666
- feel the love and acceptance
- together for LGBTQ youth,
- 1421
- 01:08:42,667 --> 01:08:47,416
- and we want them to hear it with
- resounding cries from all across Utah.
- 1422
- 01:08:47,417 --> 01:08:50,290
- We went from the
- event not happening,
- 1423
- 01:08:50,291 --> 01:08:54,749
- to me begging people
- to take it on.
- 1424
- 01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:56,124
- We have the chance
- to do something
- 1425
- 01:08:56,125 --> 01:08:58,040
- that's really
- powerful and great,
- 1426
- 01:08:58,041 --> 01:08:59,416
- but, um,
- 1427
- 01:08:59,417 --> 01:09:02,124
- it has been, doing it
- in Utah has been difficult.
- 1428
- 01:09:02,125 --> 01:09:05,374
- Finally, we got somebody
- who said okay, we can do it,
- 1429
- 01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:06,999
- if we do it in this ballpark,
- 1430
- 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,249
- and we're gonna have
- to set it up the morning of,
- 1431
- 01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:11,082
- so we need a small stage
- you can roll in.
- 1432
- 01:09:11,083 --> 01:09:13,999
- A mutual love of music
- is a great way to foster love,
- 1433
- 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,999
- understanding and acceptance.
- That's how our next guest
- 1434
- 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,165
- wants to support
- the LGBTQ community...
- 1435
- 01:09:20,166 --> 01:09:24,374
- It's basically come together
- in such a crazy, last minute way,
- 1436
- 01:09:24,375 --> 01:09:27,500
- that every single person told
- me that I was stupid doing it.
- 1437
- 01:09:56,375 --> 01:09:59,249
- Yeah, I guess I've
- never thought about
- 1438
- 01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:01,082
- how big the church
- is versus the band,
- 1439
- 01:10:01,083 --> 01:10:02,708
- how influential the church
- is versus the band.
- 1440
- 01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:05,624
- I guess if I really stand back
- and look at it, it's like,
- 1441
- 01:10:05,625 --> 01:10:08,290
- the band reaches millions,
- millions,
- 1442
- 01:10:08,291 --> 01:10:11,916
- and we put out a video and
- it's like 500 million views.
- 1443
- 01:10:11,917 --> 01:10:16,040
- Good morning, America!
- 1444
- 01:10:18,417 --> 01:10:21,374
- We have a show in November,
- 1445
- 01:10:21,375 --> 01:10:24,374
- in Salt Lake City
- that's sold out,
- 1446
- 01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:25,624
- and it sold out super fast,
- 1447
- 01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:28,791
- and it's 20,000 people plus.
- 1448
- 01:10:28,792 --> 01:10:31,416
- We figured, oh,
- when we do this LoveLoud,
- 1449
- 01:10:31,417 --> 01:10:32,624
- it's just gonna sell out.
- 1450
- 01:10:32,625 --> 01:10:35,499
- And so, when we put up
- the tickets, it's just nowhere
- 1451
- 01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:39,124
- near selling as fast as
- an Imagine Dragons show sells.
- 1452
- 01:10:39,125 --> 01:10:42,249
- I mean, that tells you
- everything you need to know.
- 1453
- 01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:45,791
- In order for Mormons
- to feel safe to come to this,
- 1454
- 01:10:45,792 --> 01:10:51,124
- the truth is Mormons will
- feel safe about something
- 1455
- 01:10:51,125 --> 01:10:53,625
- when the prophet says
- to feel safe about something.
- 1456
- 01:10:55,041 --> 01:10:57,416
- We know that there
- are conversations going on
- 1457
- 01:10:57,417 --> 01:11:00,749
- in the, the hierarchy
- of the church.
- 1458
- 01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:02,708
- I don't know fully
- what they look like.
- 1459
- 01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:05,666
- I hope that the church is
- able to make a statement,
- 1460
- 01:11:05,667 --> 01:11:07,249
- and to let people know
- 1461
- 01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:10,833
- that these conversations
- are okay to have.
- 1462
- 01:11:10,834 --> 01:11:12,250
- If the prophet said,
- 1463
- 01:11:13,166 --> 01:11:17,082
- "Hey, LoveLoud is cool,"
- 1464
- 01:11:17,083 --> 01:11:21,791
- then that would be incredible,
- and that would shift,
- 1465
- 01:11:21,792 --> 01:11:25,541
- that would be, like, everything
- I could ever hope for.
- 1466
- 01:11:25,542 --> 01:11:27,708
- For me, that is a bridge
- 1467
- 01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:29,666
- that has never been, like,
- 1468
- 01:11:29,667 --> 01:11:33,958
- that is not a bridge that,
- that has been created.
- 1469
- 01:11:33,959 --> 01:11:36,708
- It would be the most amazing,
- 1470
- 01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:38,416
- huge step of progress
- if the church says,
- 1471
- 01:11:38,417 --> 01:11:41,874
- hey, there's this LGBTQ event,
- and yeah, even the guy who's
- 1472
- 01:11:41,875 --> 01:11:44,457
- behind it doesn't believe
- that it's a sin to be gay,
- 1473
- 01:11:44,458 --> 01:11:46,916
- and, well,
- here's a stamp of approval.
- 1474
- 01:11:46,917 --> 01:11:48,332
- Like that, to me, I'm like...
- 1475
- 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:50,749
- amazing! It'd be amazing.
- 1476
- 01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:53,249
- So yeah, I've just,
- I've been waiting on, uh,
- 1477
- 01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:56,165
- pins and needles
- to see if they're gonna,
- 1478
- 01:11:56,166 --> 01:11:57,708
- uh, come through
- with a proposal,
- 1479
- 01:11:57,709 --> 01:12:00,999
- and, and I hope it's sooner
- rather than later.
- 1480
- 01:12:11,875 --> 01:12:13,791
- Do you know what Daddy is doing?
- 1481
- 01:12:13,792 --> 01:12:15,207
- What?
- 1482
- 01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:17,291
- So, Daddy's putting
- on a festival
- 1483
- 01:12:18,458 --> 01:12:22,791
- because he wants people
- to understand
- 1484
- 01:12:22,792 --> 01:12:24,749
- that...
- 1485
- 01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,374
- um, that...
- 1486
- 01:12:26,375 --> 01:12:29,207
- Do you know what being gay is?
- 1487
- 01:12:29,208 --> 01:12:30,833
- Do you remember how
- we talked about how, like,
- 1488
- 01:12:30,834 --> 01:12:33,833
- boys can love boys,
- and girls can love girls,
- 1489
- 01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:34,916
- or they can love,
- 1490
- 01:12:34,917 --> 01:12:37,249
- girls can love boys
- or boys can love girls?
- 1491
- 01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:39,582
- Uh-huh, and...
- And sometimes, what?
- 1492
- 01:12:39,583 --> 01:12:42,708
- And sometimes girls
- wanna be a boy,
- 1493
- 01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:45,541
- and sometimes
- boys wanna be girls,
- 1494
- 01:12:45,542 --> 01:12:46,833
- and girls wanna be boys.
- 1495
- 01:12:46,834 --> 01:12:49,082
- And then what can happen?
- Remember, I told you sometimes
- 1496
- 01:12:49,083 --> 01:12:50,958
- people can be mean
- to that person.
- 1497
- 01:12:50,959 --> 01:12:52,249
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- 1498
- 01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:54,791
- And so we have to be,
- protect that person, huh?
- 1499
- 01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:55,792
- Yeah.
- 1500
- 01:12:57,041 --> 01:12:59,417
- So, the festival's
- called LoveLoud...
- 1501
- 01:13:01,291 --> 01:13:03,208
- because it means,
- "love everybody,
- 1502
- 01:13:04,458 --> 01:13:05,624
- no matter what."
- 1503
- 01:13:09,458 --> 01:13:12,457
- I saw something on your
- phone, so you better read it.
- 1504
- 01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:15,040
- Okay. It's 10:30 PM.
- 1505
- 01:13:15,041 --> 01:13:17,749
- Uh, 10:30 PM, we were
- just about to go to bed,
- 1506
- 01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:21,499
- and it's August... 14th.
- Sunday. Yeah.
- 1507
- 01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:23,583
- Yeah.
- So, we're like a week out.
- 1508
- 01:13:25,291 --> 01:13:26,958
- Is that right? Yeah.
- No, I don't know.
- 1509
- 01:13:26,959 --> 01:13:28,165
- Arrow starts school tomorrow.
- 1510
- 01:13:28,166 --> 01:13:30,082
- I don't know what...
- We have 10 days. Like 10 days.
- 1511
- 01:13:30,083 --> 01:13:31,124
- 10 days. Anyway.
- Okay.
- 1512
- 01:13:31,125 --> 01:13:32,917
- We have the church's statement.
- 1513
- 01:13:33,917 --> 01:13:35,124
- Quote,
- 1514
- 01:13:35,125 --> 01:13:38,290
- "We applaud the Love..." It's long.
- Geez.
- 1515
- 01:13:38,291 --> 01:13:42,207
- Quote, "We applaud
- the LoveLoud Festival
- 1516
- 01:13:42,208 --> 01:13:43,958
- for LGBTQ youths..."
- 1517
- 01:13:43,959 --> 01:13:46,916
- First of all, I've never heard
- the church say, "LGBTQ."
- 1518
- 01:13:46,917 --> 01:13:49,040
- It's always, they say,
- "same-sex attraction."
- 1519
- 01:13:49,041 --> 01:13:51,749
- I've never...
- This is, that's...
- 1520
- 01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:53,583
- I've never, ever
- heard them say that.
- 1521
- 01:13:54,625 --> 01:13:56,499
- Awesome.
- 1522
- 01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:58,791
- "We applaud
- the LoveLoud Festival's...
- 1523
- 01:13:58,792 --> 01:14:01,874
- "Festival for LGBTQ youth's aim
- 1524
- 01:14:01,875 --> 01:14:04,833
- "to bring people together
- to address teen safety,
- 1525
- 01:14:04,834 --> 01:14:08,749
- "and to express respect and love
- for all of God's children.
- 1526
- 01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:10,874
- "We join our voice with all
- 1527
- 01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:13,666
- "who come together to foster
- a community of inclusion
- 1528
- 01:14:13,667 --> 01:14:16,916
- "in which no one is
- mistreated because of who...
- 1529
- 01:14:16,917 --> 01:14:19,207
- they are or what they believe."
- 1530
- 01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:22,875
- "Who they are."
- 1531
- 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,499
- I know, that's big.
- 1532
- 01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,499
- "We share common beliefs.
- Among them,
- 1533
- 01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:28,124
- "the pricelessness of our youth,
- 1534
- 01:14:28,125 --> 01:14:29,791
- "and the value of families.
- 1535
- 01:14:29,792 --> 01:14:32,958
- "We earnestly hope
- this festival and others,
- 1536
- 01:14:32,959 --> 01:14:35,916
- "other related efforts can
- build respectful communication,
- 1537
- 01:14:35,917 --> 01:14:37,582
- "better understanding
- and civility
- 1538
- 01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:39,500
- as we all learn
- from each other."
- 1539
- 01:14:47,375 --> 01:14:50,041
- That's really great, babe.
- It's a step.
- 1540
- 01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:55,291
- That's pretty awesome.
- 1541
- 01:15:12,917 --> 01:15:14,916
- Check, check, one, two.
- 1542
- 01:15:14,917 --> 01:15:16,374
- Pole mic one.
- 1543
- 01:15:19,792 --> 01:15:23,500
- Wireless one, one, two.
- Wireless one...
- 1544
- 01:15:33,458 --> 01:15:35,541
- This is the reality of life.
- 1545
- 01:15:35,542 --> 01:15:38,749
- Dan and I both have nerves,
- and we're, like, nervous,
- 1546
- 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:42,166
- but I just think that there's some sort
- of a deeper feeling of just, like...
- 1547
- 01:15:44,208 --> 01:15:48,791
- I feel like this is the kind of stuff that
- life is really, the purpose of it all.
- 1548
- 01:15:48,792 --> 01:15:51,958
- So, there's, like,
- a real gratification
- 1549
- 01:15:51,959 --> 01:15:55,416
- in actually pulling
- something like this off,
- 1550
- 01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:57,749
- even though it hasn't
- been pulled off yet,
- 1551
- 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:59,290
- but...
- 1552
- 01:15:59,291 --> 01:16:00,999
- I feel like it's just...
- 1553
- 01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:05,708
- Just one of those, it's,
- opens your heart, you know?
- 1554
- 01:16:05,709 --> 01:16:07,708
- It feels amazing.
- 1555
- 01:16:08,959 --> 01:16:11,457
- Oh my gosh, seriously?
- 1556
- 01:16:11,458 --> 01:16:13,375
- Let's not put that in there.
- 1557
- 01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:18,041
- Hey, babe. We got to go,
- sweetie. We're so late.
- 1558
- 01:16:19,125 --> 01:16:20,582
- Honey, we are fine!
- 1559
- 01:16:20,583 --> 01:16:22,457
- We have 20 minutes,
- and I'm pumping.
- 1560
- 01:16:22,458 --> 01:16:24,249
- The sooner we get there,
- the sooner we can...
- 1561
- 01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:27,541
- The better chance we get of
- getting everybody in a room...
- 1562
- 01:16:27,542 --> 01:16:29,165
- to have, like, a...
- 1563
- 01:16:29,166 --> 01:16:32,290
- What do you want me to do? ...Pow-wow
- with all the speakers and stuff.
- 1564
- 01:16:32,291 --> 01:16:34,457
- Honey, what do you want me
- to do about this pumping?
- 1565
- 01:16:34,458 --> 01:16:36,416
- Nothing. You're fine.
- I'm just...
- 1566
- 01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:38,125
- being anxious. Sorry.
- 1567
- 01:16:40,166 --> 01:16:43,082
- I could help you
- pack while you're pumping.
- 1568
- 01:16:43,083 --> 01:16:44,999
- Well, I, I like to pack.
- 1569
- 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,249
- I'm a control freak, remember?
- 1570
- 01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:47,499
- Well, it's just literally
- 1571
- 01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:49,666
- a matter of me zipping up
- your zipper over here.
- 1572
- 01:16:49,667 --> 01:16:52,165
- Well, okay. Just start
- putting things away.
- 1573
- 01:16:52,166 --> 01:16:54,582
- Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't know
- where you want these two things...
- 1574
- 01:16:54,583 --> 01:16:57,250
- Oh please. Can you just
- ...let me do it?
- 1575
- 01:16:58,166 --> 01:17:00,792
- Oh my gosh.
- 1576
- 01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:05,959
- It's gonna be amazing.
- 1577
- 01:17:06,917 --> 01:17:08,417
- 'Kay?
- 'Kay.
- 1578
- 01:17:09,667 --> 01:17:12,207
- I just have to go
- on stage and just...
- 1579
- 01:17:12,208 --> 01:17:13,958
- Talk about...
- ...to all these people who are
- 1580
- 01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:16,583
- completely opposites of
- each other to get along.
- 1581
- 01:17:24,083 --> 01:17:25,624
- All right, babe.
- You okay?
- 1582
- 01:17:25,625 --> 01:17:26,708
- No.
- 1583
- 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:27,708
- We're gonna do it.
- 1584
- 01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:29,999
- Okay.
- Let's do it.
- 1585
- 01:17:36,834 --> 01:17:40,291
- All right, it's a good time to
- look and see if there's protesters.
- 1586
- 01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:44,207
- You're making me
- so nervous today, hon.
- 1587
- 01:17:44,208 --> 01:17:45,708
- I don't know why.
- What?
- 1588
- 01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:47,124
- I don't know why.
- Why?
- 1589
- 01:17:47,125 --> 01:17:48,541
- I don't know why.
- 1590
- 01:17:48,542 --> 01:17:50,207
- I'm not supposed to be
- here to make you nervous.
- 1591
- 01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:51,624
- I think I'm just
- making myself nervous,
- 1592
- 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:53,785
- and I just wanna blame it on
- you 'cause you're my wife.
- 1593
- 01:17:57,625 --> 01:18:01,040
- The people in line, I'm just
- so curious to hear what people...
- 1594
- 01:18:01,041 --> 01:18:02,124
- Are talking about.
- 1595
- 01:18:02,125 --> 01:18:04,249
- Yeah. And what
- the line looks like,
- 1596
- 01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:05,916
- and, like, who,
- who's coming to this.
- 1597
- 01:18:05,917 --> 01:18:07,082
- It seems like there's a lot
- 1598
- 01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:09,416
- more people than just the LGBTQ,
- 1599
- 01:18:09,417 --> 01:18:10,916
- and I'm really happy
- to see that.
- 1600
- 01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:12,541
- I think what Dan Reynolds
- has done here
- 1601
- 01:18:12,542 --> 01:18:16,749
- is, is really, uh, important
- for helping people to see,
- 1602
- 01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:19,916
- and, and normalize
- the concept of, of us being
- 1603
- 01:18:19,917 --> 01:18:21,332
- in the same world as them.
- 1604
- 01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:27,457
- I wish they could've been here,
- you know, 10 years ago.
- 1605
- 01:18:27,458 --> 01:18:30,708
- I think it would've saved a lot
- of heartache for a lot of people.
- 1606
- 01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:32,165
- Um,
- 1607
- 01:18:32,166 --> 01:18:34,666
- yeah, I think it could've
- saved some lives.
- 1608
- 01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:37,374
- Seeing how many people are
- out here supporting the cause is,
- 1609
- 01:18:37,375 --> 01:18:40,040
- it's like a hope for
- humanity kinda thing. Yeah.
- 1610
- 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
- Hey.
- 1611
- 01:19:18,583 --> 01:19:20,916
- Yes! This is incredible!
- 1612
- 01:19:20,917 --> 01:19:22,916
- This is the night that, uh,
- 1613
- 01:19:22,917 --> 01:19:24,582
- I've been looking forward
- to for so long.
- 1614
- 01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:27,332
- This is the most important
- stage I've ever been on.
- 1615
- 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,874
- Some people walked in tonight
- 1616
- 01:19:32,875 --> 01:19:35,374
- feeling a little out of
- their comfort zones.
- 1617
- 01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:37,999
- Feeling like,
- are people gonna judge me?
- 1618
- 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,457
- But guess what?
- 1619
- 01:19:39,458 --> 01:19:41,082
- You came still.
- 1620
- 01:19:41,083 --> 01:19:42,666
- I applaud you for that.
- 1621
- 01:19:42,667 --> 01:19:46,749
- This speaks to the courage, to
- the love of the people of Utah
- 1622
- 01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:49,290
- that I have known for years.
- 1623
- 01:19:49,291 --> 01:19:52,499
- And to see this,
- for our LGBTQ youth,
- 1624
- 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,207
- I know speaks volumes to them,
- 1625
- 01:19:54,208 --> 01:19:57,666
- so please give a round of applause,
- first and foremost, to yourself.
- 1626
- 01:20:00,792 --> 01:20:02,207
- I got to say that
- that means so much
- 1627
- 01:20:02,208 --> 01:20:05,791
- to me and to the people
- who have put this together.
- 1628
- 01:20:05,792 --> 01:20:08,582
- We've worked tirelessly
- and hard to be able to make
- 1629
- 01:20:08,583 --> 01:20:11,207
- this a place for everybody.
- I hope that you know that.
- 1630
- 01:20:11,208 --> 01:20:12,999
- There's no judgment
- cast on anybody.
- 1631
- 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,040
- There is a place for everybody
- here at this table.
- 1632
- 01:20:15,041 --> 01:20:18,249
- We can all agree on one thing,
- and that's in love,
- 1633
- 01:20:18,250 --> 01:20:20,874
- absolute, pure, complete love.
- 1634
- 01:20:23,917 --> 01:20:27,541
- I wanna introduce you to the
- person who has me here today.
- 1635
- 01:20:27,542 --> 01:20:30,582
- My everything. I am nothing
- without this individual.
- 1636
- 01:20:30,583 --> 01:20:33,624
- She has shaped my life, opened
- my mind and my heart. Oh geez.
- 1637
- 01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:35,874
- And she's also the greatest
- artist in the whole world.
- 1638
- 01:20:35,875 --> 01:20:37,457
- I'm not biased.
- That's just the way it is.
- 1639
- 01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,833
- It's my wife, Aja Volkman.
- 1640
- 01:20:39,834 --> 01:20:40,958
- Come on out.
- 1641
- 01:20:58,834 --> 01:21:01,542
- I can't talk, so I'm
- just gonna play.
- 1642
- 01:21:07,125 --> 01:21:10,833
- ♪ Breathe in deep ♪
- 1643
- 01:21:10,834 --> 01:21:13,374
- ♪ This life ain't gonna be ♪
- 1644
- 01:21:13,375 --> 01:21:15,791
- ♪ Ea-ea-easy ♪
- 1645
- 01:21:15,792 --> 01:21:20,582
- ♪ Nobody said it'd be ♪
- 1646
- 01:21:20,583 --> 01:21:22,290
- ♪ So very ♪
- 1647
- 01:21:22,291 --> 01:21:25,458
- ♪ Hard ♪
- 1648
- 01:21:30,208 --> 01:21:34,624
- ♪ Don't lose faith ♪
- 1649
- 01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:38,290
- I was a seven-year-old,
- eight-year-old Mormon boy.
- 1650
- 01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:42,457
- I was so afraid that I might
- be gay because if I was,
- 1651
- 01:21:42,458 --> 01:21:45,332
- it would mean that I would lose
- my parents, my family,
- 1652
- 01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:47,874
- the faith community
- that I love so much,
- 1653
- 01:21:47,875 --> 01:21:50,082
- and if that seven-year-old boy
- 1654
- 01:21:50,083 --> 01:21:52,624
- could have flashed forward
- and seen tonight,
- 1655
- 01:21:52,625 --> 01:21:56,916
- with 20,000 Mormons
- here celebrating us,
- 1656
- 01:21:56,917 --> 01:21:59,165
- I would have had more
- hope for the future.
- 1657
- 01:21:59,166 --> 01:22:03,541
- And I hope that that the seven and
- eight-year-old queer kids out there
- 1658
- 01:22:03,542 --> 01:22:06,124
- will feel hope for
- their future, as well.
- 1659
- 01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:08,708
- ♪ I need some more time ♪
- 1660
- 01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:11,165
- ♪ A couple last tears ♪
- 1661
- 01:22:11,166 --> 01:22:12,791
- ♪ Few more days ♪
- 1662
- 01:22:12,792 --> 01:22:15,834
- ♪ Before I disappear ♪
- 1663
- 01:22:17,458 --> 01:22:18,499
- Thank you.
- 1664
- 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,709
- Thanks for coming.
- 1665
- 01:22:39,208 --> 01:22:43,874
- Give a LoveLoud Fest welcome
- to Savannah and her mother Heather!
- 1666
- 01:22:49,709 --> 01:22:50,709
- Hi!
- 1667
- 01:22:55,458 --> 01:22:57,916
- I was invited here
- to share my truth.
- 1668
- 01:22:57,917 --> 01:23:01,582
- Thanks to you for giving me
- the space to speak today.
- 1669
- 01:23:01,583 --> 01:23:04,040
- I believe I was made
- the way I am,
- 1670
- 01:23:04,041 --> 01:23:07,082
- all parts of me,
- by my heavenly parents.
- 1671
- 01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:10,124
- They did not mess up
- when they gave me brown eyes
- 1672
- 01:23:10,125 --> 01:23:11,541
- or when I was born bald.
- 1673
- 01:23:11,542 --> 01:23:14,124
- They did not mess up
- when they gave me freckles
- 1674
- 01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:16,165
- or when I was made to be gay.
- 1675
- 01:23:16,166 --> 01:23:19,374
- I want to love myself
- and not feel shame.
- 1676
- 01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:40,749
- And I know my heavenly parents
- love and accept me.
- 1677
- 01:23:40,750 --> 01:23:42,416
- Thank you.
- 1678
- 01:23:58,917 --> 01:24:02,165
- It's quite a privilege to
- be able to share your voice.
- 1679
- 01:24:02,166 --> 01:24:04,416
- 15 years ago,
- I was a student at BYU,
- 1680
- 01:24:04,417 --> 01:24:06,582
- and I was coming out,
- and I was suicidal.
- 1681
- 01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:10,374
- And I'm here, and I just got this hug
- from this little girl who stood up.
- 1682
- 01:24:10,375 --> 01:24:14,332
- She's 13, and she just told
- everybody that God loves her
- 1683
- 01:24:14,333 --> 01:24:15,749
- because He made her. I mean,
- 1684
- 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:20,457
- it took me until I was almost 30
- to have that in my brain to say,
- 1685
- 01:24:20,458 --> 01:24:23,249
- I don't have to be better
- or try to be better.
- 1686
- 01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,791
- God made me exactly who I am.
- I'm the best I can be.
- 1687
- 01:24:26,792 --> 01:24:29,749
- I'm exactly, exactly
- what He said.
- 1688
- 01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:30,874
- I made you.
- 1689
- 01:24:30,875 --> 01:24:33,582
- So, it's just been
- the most amazing thing.
- 1690
- 01:24:33,583 --> 01:24:35,541
- I feel like I'm in
- a dream right now.
- 1691
- 01:24:51,834 --> 01:24:53,583
- It feels like Mormon Woodstock.
- 1692
- 01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:55,874
- That's how it feels.
- 1693
- 01:24:55,875 --> 01:24:59,416
- It feels like, uh, it feels
- like a historic moment, really.
- 1694
- 01:24:59,417 --> 01:25:03,040
- It feels like, uh, we've, we've
- fought so hard for so long,
- 1695
- 01:25:03,041 --> 01:25:06,499
- and finally, uh, we're able
- to do something significant.
- 1696
- 01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:07,750
- We've reached critical mass.
- 1697
- 01:25:08,667 --> 01:25:10,666
- A scripture I cherish says,
- 1698
- 01:25:10,667 --> 01:25:14,165
- of God, that He inviteth
- all to come unto Him
- 1699
- 01:25:14,166 --> 01:25:15,833
- and partake of His goodness.
- 1700
- 01:25:15,834 --> 01:25:18,999
- And all are alike unto Him.
- 1701
- 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,040
- May this be a new beginning
- for all of us that
- 1702
- 01:25:22,041 --> 01:25:24,332
- this community may
- hereafter be known
- 1703
- 01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:27,374
- as a place of love for all.
- 1704
- 01:25:36,417 --> 01:25:39,249
- The church did, um, endorse
- this, right? Yeah, that was great.
- 1705
- 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:42,582
- But now, for me, I want them to put
- their money where their mouth is.
- 1706
- 01:25:42,583 --> 01:25:46,165
- If they're gonna say,
- we love all of our LGBT people,
- 1707
- 01:25:46,166 --> 01:25:47,708
- then let's get rid of
- that policy,
- 1708
- 01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:49,916
- and let's bring them
- into full fellowship.
- 1709
- 01:25:49,917 --> 01:25:53,082
- I mean, for me, personally,
- nothing less will do.
- 1710
- 01:25:53,083 --> 01:25:55,874
- Yeah. Because you can say,
- I love you, all you want,
- 1711
- 01:25:55,875 --> 01:25:57,541
- but until you act on that
- 1712
- 01:25:57,542 --> 01:26:00,582
- in a way that feels
- inclusive and complete,
- 1713
- 01:26:00,583 --> 01:26:04,624
- then it's, it's a no-go.
- 1714
- 01:26:04,625 --> 01:26:07,124
- I totally get where people
- are coming from where they say,
- 1715
- 01:26:07,125 --> 01:26:10,916
- like, it's a big step. It's
- historic that they're approving
- 1716
- 01:26:10,917 --> 01:26:15,582
- of anything, uh, LGBT related,
- but I don't know.
- 1717
- 01:26:15,583 --> 01:26:19,666
- I'm a little salty because
- there's still a policy intact,
- 1718
- 01:26:19,667 --> 01:26:21,499
- and it doesn't take away
- from everyone that,
- 1719
- 01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:22,874
- the pain that I went through.
- 1720
- 01:26:22,875 --> 01:26:24,207
- Like,
- 1721
- 01:26:24,208 --> 01:26:28,666
- that policy caused me to completely
- go through a faith crisis.
- 1722
- 01:26:28,667 --> 01:26:32,082
- I've, you know, had suicidality
- this last year.
- 1723
- 01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:35,082
- Like, I don't know where
- I fit in all the time,
- 1724
- 01:26:35,083 --> 01:26:37,624
- and that's because of them.
- 1725
- 01:26:37,625 --> 01:26:40,582
- It's a tiny step
- with the church.
- 1726
- 01:26:40,583 --> 01:26:42,625
- It's a huge step for this area.
- 1727
- 01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:47,416
- I'm the mother of
- a 17-year-old gay son
- 1728
- 01:26:47,417 --> 01:26:50,249
- that we lost to suicide
- a year ago.
- 1729
- 01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:54,416
- We work hard to spread the
- message of unconditional love
- 1730
- 01:26:54,417 --> 01:26:58,166
- for all of God's children,
- so heartbreaking stories...
- 1731
- 01:26:59,959 --> 01:27:02,749
- like mine won't happen again.
- 1732
- 01:27:05,291 --> 01:27:07,958
- I'm absolutely just blown away.
- 1733
- 01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:10,708
- This is a great message to
- parents to say, you know what?
- 1734
- 01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:13,833
- It is okay to love
- your gay kids.
- 1735
- 01:27:13,834 --> 01:27:16,834
- And I think the thing is kinda
- hitting me the most is, uh...
- 1736
- 01:27:29,667 --> 01:27:31,625
- I know Stockton is really proud.
- 1737
- 01:27:34,959 --> 01:27:36,375
- He's really proud.
- 1738
- 01:27:38,125 --> 01:27:39,457
- Yeah.
- 1739
- 01:27:39,458 --> 01:27:41,833
- He would be dancing.
- He's up there just glowing.
- 1740
- 01:27:42,875 --> 01:27:45,666
- Probably... dancing
- with no clothes on.
- 1741
- 01:27:46,917 --> 01:27:47,874
- That's the truth!
- 1742
- 01:27:47,875 --> 01:27:49,874
- I was gonna say it, but he did.
- 1743
- 01:27:49,875 --> 01:27:52,000
- He's lovin' this.
- 1744
- 01:27:55,208 --> 01:27:56,666
- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
- 1745
- 01:27:56,667 --> 01:27:58,499
- ♪ I want some more ♪
- 1746
- 01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:00,125
- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
- 1747
- 01:28:03,208 --> 01:28:05,791
- ♪ What are you Waitin' for? ♪
- 1748
- 01:28:05,792 --> 01:28:08,999
- ♪ Say goodbye to my heart ♪
- 1749
- 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,958
- ♪ Tonight ♪
- 1750
- 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,624
- You have to know
- how much it means
- 1751
- 01:28:19,625 --> 01:28:23,082
- to me personally, in my heart,
- 1752
- 01:28:23,083 --> 01:28:25,416
- to play at this event
- 1753
- 01:28:25,417 --> 01:28:27,082
- with my band, Neon Trees,
- 1754
- 01:28:27,083 --> 01:28:29,499
- on this stage
- in front of this crowd.
- 1755
- 01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:43,082
- Being an openly
- gay man performing
- 1756
- 01:28:43,083 --> 01:28:45,624
- with my band up here
- should speak volumes.
- 1757
- 01:28:45,625 --> 01:28:49,040
- I am happy. I'm proud. I'm open.
- 1758
- 01:28:49,041 --> 01:28:51,582
- I have friends and family
- that love me,
- 1759
- 01:28:51,583 --> 01:28:52,749
- and you will, too.
- 1760
- 01:28:54,041 --> 01:28:56,208
- Thank you so much,
- from the bottom of my heart.
- 1761
- 01:28:57,917 --> 01:29:00,374
- ♪ It started with a ♪
- 1762
- 01:29:00,375 --> 01:29:04,208
- ♪ Whisper ♪
- 1763
- 01:29:05,875 --> 01:29:08,749
- ♪ And that was when I ♪
- 1764
- 01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:13,040
- ♪ Kissed her ♪
- 1765
- 01:29:13,041 --> 01:29:15,207
- I mean, it was a her,
- at the time.
- 1766
- 01:29:17,542 --> 01:29:19,249
- And then I found out...
- 1767
- 01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:25,125
- ♪ Everybody talks ♪
- 1768
- 01:29:26,417 --> 01:29:29,708
- ♪ It started with a whisper ♪
- 1769
- 01:29:29,709 --> 01:29:32,582
- ♪ And that was when
- I kissed her ♪
- 1770
- 01:29:32,583 --> 01:29:35,791
- ♪ And then she made
- my lips hurt ♪
- 1771
- 01:29:35,792 --> 01:29:39,165
- ♪ I can hear the chitchat ♪
- 1772
- 01:29:39,166 --> 01:29:41,833
- ♪ Take me to your love shack ♪
- 1773
- 01:29:41,834 --> 01:29:45,040
- ♪ Mamas always got to backtrack ♪
- 1774
- 01:29:45,041 --> 01:29:48,958
- ♪ When everybody talks back ♪
- 1775
- 01:29:48,959 --> 01:29:51,958
- ♪ Everybody talks,
- everybody talks ♪
- 1776
- 01:29:51,959 --> 01:29:55,374
- ♪ Everybody
- talks, everybody talks ♪
- 1777
- 01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:58,125
- ♪ Everybody talks,
- everybody talks ♪
- 1778
- 01:29:59,125 --> 01:30:01,165
- ♪ Back ♪
- 1779
- 01:30:01,166 --> 01:30:02,207
- Ooh!
- 1780
- 01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:05,291
- LoveLoud, good night!
- 1781
- 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,666
- Are you guys
- ready for Imagine Dragons?
- 1782
- 01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:40,791
- ♪ First things first ♪
- 1783
- 01:30:40,792 --> 01:30:43,624
- ♪ I'ma say all the words
- inside my head ♪
- 1784
- 01:30:43,625 --> 01:30:47,666
- ♪ I'm fired up and tired of
- the way that things have been ♪
- 1785
- 01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:49,290
- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
- 1786
- 01:30:49,291 --> 01:30:51,541
- ♪ Yeah, the way that
- things have been ♪
- 1787
- 01:30:51,542 --> 01:30:54,624
- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
- 1788
- 01:30:54,625 --> 01:30:56,082
- ♪ Second thing second ♪
- 1789
- 01:30:56,083 --> 01:30:58,958
- ♪ Don't you tell me what you
- think that I should be ♪
- 1790
- 01:30:58,959 --> 01:31:02,916
- ♪ I'm the one at the sails,
- I'm the master of my sea ♪
- 1791
- 01:31:02,917 --> 01:31:04,749
- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
- 1792
- 01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:06,791
- ♪ Yeah, the master of my sea ♪
- 1793
- 01:31:06,792 --> 01:31:09,708
- ♪ Oh, oh ♪
- 1794
- 01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:12,999
- ♪ But they never did, ever lived, ebbing
- and flowing, inhibited, limited ♪
- 1795
- 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,374
- ♪ Till it broke up
- and it rained down ♪
- 1796
- 01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:18,874
- ♪ It rained down, like ♪
- 1797
- 01:31:18,875 --> 01:31:19,958
- ♪ Pain ♪
- 1798
- 01:31:19,959 --> 01:31:23,332
- ♪ You made me a,
- you made me a believer ♪
- 1799
- 01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:25,458
- ♪ Believer ♪
- 1800
- 01:31:27,083 --> 01:31:30,332
- ♪ You break me down,
- you built me up, believer ♪
- 1801
- 01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:50,166
- LoveLoud was everything
- we could've hoped for and more.
- 1802
- 01:33:51,542 --> 01:33:52,874
- It showed,
- 1803
- 01:33:52,875 --> 01:33:55,082
- it's not just me, as a Mormon,
- 1804
- 01:33:55,083 --> 01:34:00,082
- who is antsy for change.
- 1805
- 01:34:00,083 --> 01:34:03,666
- The whole Mormon community
- came out in droves to say,
- 1806
- 01:34:03,667 --> 01:34:08,082
- this is a place, uh, within
- the church that is broken.
- 1807
- 01:34:08,083 --> 01:34:09,958
- How can we fix it?
- 1808
- 01:34:11,083 --> 01:34:13,916
- Leading up to LoveLoud,
- uh, the church
- 1809
- 01:34:13,917 --> 01:34:15,374
- obviously, reached out to me,
- 1810
- 01:34:15,375 --> 01:34:18,416
- and we have been having,
- kind of, an open dialogue.
- 1811
- 01:34:18,417 --> 01:34:20,541
- Coming out of LoveLoud,
- 1812
- 01:34:20,542 --> 01:34:22,165
- everybody was feeling
- 1813
- 01:34:22,166 --> 01:34:24,124
- positive momentum.
- 1814
- 01:34:24,125 --> 01:34:28,708
- I had been extremely
- excited for General Conference.
- 1815
- 01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:30,874
- And general conference
- happens twice a year.
- 1816
- 01:34:30,875 --> 01:34:34,082
- It's where the apostles,
- and the prophets speak,
- 1817
- 01:34:34,083 --> 01:34:37,708
- uh, like on live television
- to the world,
- 1818
- 01:34:37,709 --> 01:34:41,249
- and to all the Mormons.
- And I think a lot of Mormons,
- 1819
- 01:34:41,250 --> 01:34:47,541
- myself, were waiting
- to hear an apostle say,
- 1820
- 01:34:47,542 --> 01:34:50,833
- now let's start to do
- something to change this.
- 1821
- 01:34:50,834 --> 01:34:51,916
- Members of
- 1822
- 01:34:51,917 --> 01:34:54,958
- the Church of Jesus Christ
- of Latter-day Saints
- 1823
- 01:34:54,959 --> 01:34:57,916
- are blessed with unique doctrine
- 1824
- 01:34:57,917 --> 01:35:01,124
- and different ways
- of viewing the world.
- 1825
- 01:35:01,125 --> 01:35:04,958
- We've witnessed a rapid
- and increasing public acceptance
- 1826
- 01:35:04,959 --> 01:35:07,416
- of cohabitation without marriage
- 1827
- 01:35:07,417 --> 01:35:09,082
- and same-sex marriage.
- 1828
- 01:35:09,083 --> 01:35:11,249
- Elder Oaks talked about
- the Family Proclamation,
- 1829
- 01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:16,541
- which is basically an old piece
- that was put together
- 1830
- 01:35:16,542 --> 01:35:18,332
- from the church that
- was released about
- 1831
- 01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:20,207
- marriage is between
- a man and a woman,
- 1832
- 01:35:20,208 --> 01:35:24,207
- and these are the things that
- make up a good, healthy family.
- 1833
- 01:35:24,208 --> 01:35:27,165
- The Family Proclamation
- begins by declaring that
- 1834
- 01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:32,040
- marriage between a man
- and a woman is ordained of God,
- 1835
- 01:35:32,041 --> 01:35:35,916
- and that the family is
- central to the Creator's plan
- 1836
- 01:35:35,917 --> 01:35:40,124
- for the eternal destiny
- of his children.
- 1837
- 01:35:40,125 --> 01:35:44,791
- It also affirms that gender is
- an essential characteristic of
- 1838
- 01:35:44,792 --> 01:35:49,999
- individual, premortal, mortal,
- and eternal identity and purpose.
- 1839
- 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,666
- The church basically just
- 1840
- 01:35:51,667 --> 01:35:56,290
- doubled down on everything
- they've been pounding into
- 1841
- 01:35:56,291 --> 01:36:00,874
- my head, and Mormons' heads
- for years, which is
- 1842
- 01:36:00,875 --> 01:36:04,708
- to be gay, and act upon it,
- is a sin.
- 1843
- 01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:06,999
- Marriage is between
- man and a woman.
- 1844
- 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,874
- Popular culture, popular people
- will try to tell you otherwise.
- 1845
- 01:36:11,875 --> 01:36:13,916
- Every generation has its tests,
- 1846
- 01:36:13,917 --> 01:36:17,165
- and its chance to stand
- and prove itself.
- 1847
- 01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:19,666
- I believe our attitude toward,
- 1848
- 01:36:19,667 --> 01:36:21,582
- and use of
- the Family Proclamation,
- 1849
- 01:36:21,583 --> 01:36:25,165
- is one of those tests
- for this generation.
- 1850
- 01:36:25,166 --> 01:36:30,208
- I pray for all Latter-day Saints
- to stand firm in that test.
- 1851
- 01:36:31,166 --> 01:36:34,250
- In light of LoveLoud,
- 1852
- 01:36:35,667 --> 01:36:39,249
- that, for me, was a dark day
- 1853
- 01:36:39,250 --> 01:36:40,874
- to say the least.
- 1854
- 01:36:40,875 --> 01:36:42,917
- It's a dark week, a dark month.
- 1855
- 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,374
- With that being said,
- 1856
- 01:36:55,375 --> 01:36:58,040
- if there's one thing my Mormon
- values have taught me
- 1857
- 01:36:58,041 --> 01:36:59,124
- since I was young...
- 1858
- 01:36:59,125 --> 01:37:00,416
- ♪ First things first ♪
- 1859
- 01:37:00,417 --> 01:37:03,332
- ♪ I'ma say all the words
- inside my head ♪
- 1860
- 01:37:03,333 --> 01:37:07,541
- ♪ I'm fired up and tired of
- the way that things have been ♪
- 1861
- 01:37:07,542 --> 01:37:08,624
- ♪ Oh... ♪
- 1862
- 01:37:08,625 --> 01:37:11,541
- It's that no matter
- what the world says
- 1863
- 01:37:11,542 --> 01:37:15,249
- about who you are,
- what you believe,
- 1864
- 01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:17,082
- still do it, 100 percent.
- 1865
- 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,416
- That spirit was the spirit that
- carried me through my mission.
- 1866
- 01:37:21,417 --> 01:37:26,374
- I felt like I was
- bearing my truth,
- 1867
- 01:37:26,375 --> 01:37:29,207
- regardless of what
- anybody thought about me.
- 1868
- 01:37:29,208 --> 01:37:32,249
- That's all because of Mormonism
- and my parents,
- 1869
- 01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:36,124
- and so they have all prepped me
- for this moment now.
- 1870
- 01:37:36,125 --> 01:37:40,582
- ♪ Pain, you made me a,
- you made me a believer ♪
- 1871
- 01:37:40,583 --> 01:37:42,166
- ♪ Believer ♪
- 1872
- 01:37:43,583 --> 01:37:48,249
- ♪ Pain, you break me down,
- you build me up, believer ♪
- 1873
- 01:37:48,250 --> 01:37:49,917
- ♪ Believer ♪
- 1874
- 01:37:52,250 --> 01:37:55,416
- A determined
- Mormon is a scary thing.
- 1875
- 01:37:55,417 --> 01:37:56,999
- I will tell you that.
- 1876
- 01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,999
- Because they don't stop.
- 1877
- 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,749
- I knocked 100 doors
- to get into one door.
- 1878
- 01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:06,291
- I knocked thousands of doors
- on my mission.
- 1879
- 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:09,958
- If there's one thing
- I can guarantee,
- 1880
- 01:38:09,959 --> 01:38:14,124
- it's that I will continue
- to knock this door
- 1881
- 01:38:14,125 --> 01:38:15,791
- until somebody answers.
- 1882
- 01:38:15,792 --> 01:38:19,040
- ♪ My life, my love, my drive,
- it came from ♪
- 1883
- 01:38:19,041 --> 01:38:20,082
- ♪ Pain ♪
- 1884
- 01:38:20,083 --> 01:38:24,165
- ♪ You made me a,
- you made me a believer ♪
- 1885
- 01:38:24,166 --> 01:38:26,541
- ♪ Believer ♪
- 1886
- 01:38:53,959 --> 01:38:56,749
- ♪ Wake up every morning ♪
- 1887
- 01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:59,624
- ♪ With a new resolve ♪
- 1888
- 01:38:59,625 --> 01:39:02,249
- ♪ Two hands and one heart ♪
- 1889
- 01:39:02,250 --> 01:39:05,916
- ♪ Let the world revolve ♪
- 1890
- 01:39:05,917 --> 01:39:08,999
- Because of LoveLoud,
- my dad felt like he had
- 1891
- 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,958
- the permission to love
- and accept me for who I am,
- 1892
- 01:39:11,959 --> 01:39:15,833
- and LoveLoud gave us a bonding,
- 1893
- 01:39:15,834 --> 01:39:18,999
- and that I am really
- grateful for.
- 1894
- 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,499
- It gave me the guts to talk
- about my son's sexuality
- 1895
- 01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:24,457
- in ways that I had never
- been able to before.
- 1896
- 01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:26,833
- I've had four people come out
- to me since LoveLoud.
- 1897
- 01:39:26,834 --> 01:39:30,541
- They said that LoveLoud gave them
- the courage to live their truth.
- 1898
- 01:39:30,542 --> 01:39:34,833
- LoveLoud gave me the opportunity
- to tell my story,
- 1899
- 01:39:34,834 --> 01:39:39,207
- and declare that I am worth it
- in front of thousands of people.
- 1900
- 01:39:39,208 --> 01:39:42,332
- LoveLoud gave my family
- the chance to stand
- 1901
- 01:39:42,333 --> 01:39:45,457
- shoulder to shoulder
- with our transgender son.
- 1902
- 01:39:45,458 --> 01:39:48,958
- And not only him, but with
- neighbors and extended family,
- 1903
- 01:39:48,959 --> 01:39:53,541
- who never would have ever
- shown up for an LGBT event.
- 1904
- 01:39:53,542 --> 01:39:54,874
- LoveLoud gave me hope,
- 1905
- 01:39:54,875 --> 01:39:57,916
- and inspiration that
- things can change.
- 1906
- 01:39:57,917 --> 01:40:01,290
- That I, myself, can be a force
- for good in my own community.
- 1907
- 01:40:01,291 --> 01:40:03,457
- Looking at this crowd
- of thousands of people,
- 1908
- 01:40:03,458 --> 01:40:06,332
- I realize these are people
- I don't have to be scared of.
- 1909
- 01:40:06,333 --> 01:40:07,582
- There's a lot of support
- 1910
- 01:40:07,583 --> 01:40:10,916
- in my community that
- I didn't realize was there,
- 1911
- 01:40:10,917 --> 01:40:15,082
- and it was honestly one of
- the best days of my life.
- 1912
- 01:40:15,083 --> 01:40:16,082
- When I was 13, 14,
- 1913
- 01:40:16,083 --> 01:40:19,916
- I felt completely
- isolated and silenced,
- 1914
- 01:40:19,917 --> 01:40:22,332
- and it hasn't even
- been that long,
- 1915
- 01:40:22,333 --> 01:40:24,500
- and I just feel so hopeful
- 1916
- 01:40:26,125 --> 01:40:28,791
- about the future, and that
- 1917
- 01:40:28,792 --> 01:40:31,583
- things will just keep
- getting better, and...
- 1918
- 01:40:33,291 --> 01:40:34,666
- I hope it does.
- 1919
- 01:40:34,667 --> 01:40:37,958
- ♪ I keep skipping stones ♪
- 1920
- 01:40:37,959 --> 01:40:40,082
- ♪ Hoping for a change ♪
- 1921
- 01:40:40,083 --> 01:40:43,792
- ♪ But, things just
- stay the same ♪
- 1922
- 01:40:45,667 --> 01:40:49,207
- ♪ I keep walking roads ♪
- 1923
- 01:40:49,208 --> 01:40:51,416
- ♪ Looking for the home ♪
- 1924
- 01:40:51,417 --> 01:40:56,666
- ♪ That I can call my own ♪
- 1925
- 01:40:56,667 --> 01:40:58,416
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1926
- 01:40:58,417 --> 01:40:59,499
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1927
- 01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:01,290
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1928
- 01:41:01,291 --> 01:41:02,290
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1929
- 01:41:02,291 --> 01:41:04,082
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1930
- 01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:05,290
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1931
- 01:41:05,291 --> 01:41:06,917
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1932
- 01:41:07,834 --> 01:41:09,666
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1933
- 01:41:09,667 --> 01:41:10,666
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1934
- 01:41:10,667 --> 01:41:12,457
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1935
- 01:41:12,458 --> 01:41:13,457
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1936
- 01:41:13,458 --> 01:41:15,082
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1937
- 01:41:15,083 --> 01:41:16,290
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1938
- 01:41:16,291 --> 01:41:19,624
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1939
- 01:41:19,625 --> 01:41:23,332
- Love is not a product
- of reasonings and statistics.
- 1940
- 01:41:23,333 --> 01:41:25,124
- It just comes,
- 1941
- 01:41:25,125 --> 01:41:26,582
- and none knows whence.
- 1942
- 01:41:26,583 --> 01:41:28,375
- It cannot explain itself.
- 1943
- 01:41:29,917 --> 01:41:31,499
- Love is a madness.
- 1944
- 01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:33,583
- If thwarted, it develops fast.
- 1945
- 01:41:35,166 --> 01:41:37,624
- When you fish for love,
- 1946
- 01:41:37,625 --> 01:41:40,207
- bait with your heart.
- Not your brain.
- 1947
- 01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:44,958
- ♪ I keep skipping stones ♪
- 1948
- 01:41:44,959 --> 01:41:47,040
- ♪ Hoping for a change ♪
- 1949
- 01:41:47,041 --> 01:41:50,875
- ♪ But, things just
- stay the same ♪
- 1950
- 01:41:52,667 --> 01:41:56,249
- ♪ I keep walking roads ♪
- 1951
- 01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:58,332
- ♪ Looking for a home ♪
- 1952
- 01:41:58,333 --> 01:42:03,666
- ♪ That I can call my own ♪
- 1953
- 01:42:03,667 --> 01:42:05,374
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1954
- 01:42:05,375 --> 01:42:06,416
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1955
- 01:42:06,417 --> 01:42:08,124
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1956
- 01:42:08,125 --> 01:42:09,207
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1957
- 01:42:09,208 --> 01:42:10,833
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1958
- 01:42:10,834 --> 01:42:12,124
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1959
- 01:42:12,125 --> 01:42:13,959
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1960
- 01:42:14,875 --> 01:42:16,416
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1961
- 01:42:16,417 --> 01:42:17,624
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1962
- 01:42:17,625 --> 01:42:19,374
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1963
- 01:42:19,375 --> 01:42:20,457
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1964
- 01:42:20,458 --> 01:42:22,165
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
- 1965
- 01:42:22,166 --> 01:42:23,124
- ♪ I'm ♪
- 1966
- 01:42:23,125 --> 01:42:25,834
- ♪ Skipping stones ♪
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