17:08 <doogielabs> Whats up?
17:09 <tysk> I wanted to express my dismay at everything that had happened this week. Originally, I told you I
             was going to try to talk, and it was late and then my days were extraordinarily busy back-to-back.
             Before we had a chance to do so, you acted out rather inappropriately in the main channel in the TGG
             IRC a few times and then instead of in any manner trying to communicate with me,  made a rather
             public exit.
17:09 <tysk> I feel we could have moved out of that entire situation differently, and I'm sorry if I was unable
             to assist in that because I was dealing with non-IRC things in the meantime.
17:10 <doogielabs> I will do my best to chat here, since am upset about the situation, e-mail might end up being
                   the better correspondance.
17:10 <tysk> If that's what you wish to do, that's fine with me.
17:11 <tysk> I understand that you are rather upset, and for that I am sorry, particularly if I unintentionally
             assisted in that.
17:12 <doogielabs> The other issue at hand here though, with Chris being incredibly disrespectful to an entire
                   group of people on a whim, how will that be handled?
17:13 <tysk> I understand that it looked like it was on a whim to you (and several others), but it wasn't. It was
             not handled exactly the way I would have done it, I will fully admit.
17:14 <tysk> However, we had been fighting the IRC for a few months trying to have full engagement (I am NOT
             saying money, I am saying actual conversation, discussion, engineering, etc) and more and more it
             had devolved into ignoring the shows, providing smartass answers to people, making new people feel
             unwelcome and a handful of people (yes, you were part of it, though I know you said it was
             unintentional) pushing the room away from the li
17:14 <tysk> veshow discussions entirely when they were attempting to happen.
17:15 <tysk> We had been trying to veer everybody into behaviour that was more in line with what the intention of
             the room had been and at every turn were told the room was uninterested. So something had to happen,
             and that is just how it happened to go down.
17:16 <tysk> We have had discussions on this entire situation at great length in person and it was agreed that
             the situation could have happened differently. We have been putting new rules in place to allow
             discussions to continue in separate rooms when we need to grab the attention of the primary room. We
             had responded to requests from people so that they can get notified when new shows will happen.
17:16 <doogielabs> I do understand more that there was an ongoing issue, but how come instead of asking us to
                   help you with that we were ignored? I mean, it's what we were there for. To help futher extend
                   the geek group out into the maker community
17:17 <doogielabs> Tell you what, I'll send you my original complaint letter I wrote, which e-mail would you like
                   to send it to?
17:17 <tysk> Honestly, we tried a few times to ask people and were met with deaf ears. We could have, perhaps,
             been more direct in it but there's no point in trying to come up with "what we should have done".

17:17 <tysk> I am really disheartened that you felt you could not bring this to me originally. It has been
             suggested today that I would not have acted on my own, and that is the opposite of the truth.

17:19 <doogielabs> Honestly, with the way the whole situation played out I felt that just reaching out to you
                   would not have made a difference. Chris doesn't understand that there are repurcussions when
                   you disrespect a lot of people in the way that he did.

17:19 <tysk> I am not trying to make excuses or anything, but he felt so frustrated about the entire thing that
             he needed to take action. Again --- if we had the opportunity to make a do-over, it would all play
             out differently.
17:19 <tysk> From your perspective, what would be a viable solution moving forward?
17:22 <doogielabs> one moment
17:24 <doogielabs> Sent
17:29 <tysk> Okay, I've read it
17:31 <doogielabs> How would you deal with a staff member such as myself if they comitted the same infractions?
17:32 <doogielabs> *such as what myself was, you know what I mean
17:32 <tysk> Honestly, on a staff-to-staff basis, it would likely have been incredibly similar manner. which, as
             I am sure you know from experience, stays 100% out of the public eye.
17:33 <tysk> Which is to say there has been a LOT of talking to figure out what happened, why it happened, how we
             would deal with it in the future, how we can avoid such things again and what needs to happen to
             ensure that.
17:33 <doogielabs> I feel this case has special implications though, since your general membership was the target
                   of the disrespect. I feel they would be owed an apology for that?
17:34 <tysk> I'm going to ask you a serious question, and I want you to think of the answer from the perspective
             of somebody who has seen both sides of the internet on this one.
17:35 <doogielabs> Sure
17:35 <tysk> Would any apology be taken seriously, or would it be assumed to be something done just to placate
             people? (Even if it was 100% heartfelt and sincere)
17:36 <tysk> I am not sure it would do any good, but that's just from where I sit.
17:37 <doogielabs> You make an excellent point, and maybe now that it's this far along probably not. In most
                   cases, I feel that an apology would be treated based on it's sincerity. If one explained in
                   detail what they did wrong and what actions are in place to prevent that from happening again
                   that would be pretty genuine and heartfelt.
17:37 <doogielabs> It would show the person is putting effort into ackowledging and taking responsibility for
                   their problem.
17:37 <doogielabs> However
17:38 <doogielabs> I understand that at this point it might not be that simple.
17:38 <tysk> I agree
17:38 <tysk> Okay, this is what I am going to do.
17:39 <tysk> I am first going to think on this overnight. I'm really happy that we had the opportunity to discuss
17:39 <tysk> Second, I am going to talk the entire thing over with a few other executive staff. And we will
             decide how to proceed. It will probably take a few days to issue something public, especially since
             tomorrow is Saturday.
17:43 <doogielabs> I apologize for the disrespect earlier, your actions hurt me and I appreciate you addressed
                   that with me.
17:43 <doogielabs> I appreciate your consideration in the matter.
17:43 <tysk> I am always happy to talk. I wish we could have done it a few days ago, but as with everything, we
             can't fix what has already happened.
17:44 <doogielabs> Real member engagement and teamwork cannot happen in that chat room until this sort of stuff
                   gets resolved.
17:45 <tysk> I feel like we have been able to move forward in the TGG IRC in a manner that is in line with our
             vision for it and also in a manner that pleases the membership at large.
17:45 <doogielabs> Yes, or even a week or two ago, well before it needed to come to any of it.
17:45 <tysk> I am going to let you be now, but I will give you a head's up as to what is going on, probably via
             email.
17:47 <doogielabs> Sounds good
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