Jho - Today at 7:57 PM
think ive seen you around in some OU tours and stuff doing well too?
Jordy - Today at 7:57 PM
im a pretty shit player
only play tours w friends
coz i feel tours take a part of fun away for me
Jho - Today at 7:58 PM
what is it about the CAP meta you want to know?
i can respect that more fun with friends
wasnt there a RMT u did recently of a really high peeking team
it was either you or you were credited icr
Jordy - Today at 7:59 PM
yeah it was mine
happyland 2.0
peaked #196 on ladder which is better than where i am usually at
Marjane - Today at 7:59 PM
same
reachzero - Today at 7:59 PM
Welcome to CAP
Jho - Today at 7:59 PM
damn not bad
Jho - Today at 8:00 PM
CAP is essentially similar but the meta is a tad more offensive mostly because of our wallbreakers in Volkraken, Colosoil, Necturna and kinda Kril
also trick room is much better and prominent because of Fidgits ability, persistent which extends it by 2 turns
and then theres tomohawk which
basically means we have fewer set up sweepers because of its access to Prankster Haze, roost, taunt etc
Birkal - Today at 8:01 PM
Yah I am using that team lol
Dunno if you saw
Jordy - Today at 8:01 PM
i did which was ultimately what got me interested
reachzero - Today at 8:01 PM
I'd say CAP has three really metagame- changing Pokemon
Birkal - Today at 8:01 PM
Sweet
I have missed gastro lol
Jordy - Today at 8:01 PM
cuz from what i read its similar to the ou metagame but i wna know what notable differences there are
Birkal - Today at 8:01 PM
I think it is better than argh
reachzero - Today at 8:01 PM
Arghonaut, Colossoil and Tomohawk
Jordy - Today at 8:02 PM
also thanks jho
Jho - Today at 8:02 PM
Argh and colo?
fr reach?
Birkal - Today at 8:02 PM
Most notable differences are its arguably more offensive
And then you just have to get to know the new threats
reachzero - Today at 8:02 PM
Like, SD MScizor is trash in CAP
Birkal - Today at 8:02 PM
What D:
Jho - Today at 8:02 PM
most 3 meta changing i would say are Tomo, Nect and Kraken
Birkal - Today at 8:02 PM
I like it
reachzero - Today at 8:02 PM
Because it can't break Tomohawk or Arghonaut
sleep - Today at 8:02 PM
reach
did you say
tomo, collo, and argho?
more like
reachzero - Today at 8:03 PM
Yes
sleep - Today at 8:03 PM
tomo, mega cruci, and volk
Birkal - Today at 8:03 PM
Uhh someone give jordy the role threat list that mxmts made
Jho - Today at 8:03 PM
ah mega cruci is a good one
sleep - Today at 8:03 PM
or
reachzero - Today at 8:03 PM
Colossoil is actually #1 for me
sleep - Today at 8:03 PM
tomo and mega cruci
Birkal - Today at 8:03 PM
That’s a good doc imo
reachzero - Today at 8:03 PM
Because it makes really good stuff like Zapdos and Tyranitar really shaky
Marjane - Today at 8:03 PM
colo is super relevant to the cap metagame
Jho - Today at 8:04 PM
Tyranitar is shaky because banded edge does 31 to tomo lol
sleep - Today at 8:04 PM
yeah but its not the most
reachzero - Today at 8:04 PM
It's not even that good, but it's super metagame altering
Birkal - Today at 8:04 PM
Agree with marjane, but dunno why people still insist on using it
sleep - Today at 8:04 PM
meanwhile mega cruci is on almost all teams ive seen on the ladder
Jho - Today at 8:04 PM
i disagree i think colosoil is mostly irrelevant currently
reachzero - Today at 8:04 PM
It's not as common as that, and shouldn't be
sleep - Today at 8:05 PM
although blace is also on a lot. low ladder, i am.
reachzero - Today at 8:05 PM
Because other Megas are amazing
Latios and Medicham
sleep - Today at 8:05 PM
and alakazoom
Jho - Today at 8:05 PM
zam is so good rn
Birkal - Today at 8:05 PM
I feel like there is more mlatios here than ou
Zam is amazing in ou rn too
Jho - Today at 8:06 PM
It also beats all of CAPs defensive cores
Argh Tomo + steel type
Birkal - Today at 8:06 PM
One thing I have struggled with in using happy land has been cawm
I am not great, true
Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
oh cawm is super meta game altering
Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
But I think you almost have to give torn heat wave
Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
despite being awful
Jordy - Today at 8:07 PM
i saw mlatios doesnt run eq
Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
Yeah you have to account for cawm
Jordy - Today at 8:07 PM
is there any reason for that
Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
Even though it isn’t that good
Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
i run EQ on all of mine, some people like beam + dual stab tho
Marjane - Today at 8:07 PM
i don't see a reason not to use heatwave on torn
Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
because knock is better
is the main reason
Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
I love jordys set
Taunt is super useful on it
Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
cane does enough to beat Ferro
Birkal - Today at 8:08 PM
But will probably be the move that goes
Jho - Today at 8:08 PM
and Z cane does 80 to sciz
reachzero - Today at 8:08 PM
I almost always use EQ on MLatios
Jordy - Today at 8:08 PM
Taunt is the best to change
Marjane - Today at 8:08 PM
yeah why waste your z when you can heatwave
Jordy - Today at 8:08 PM
but on happyland2.0 i found it particularly useful for those ferroclef balances going around
Birkal - Today at 8:08 PM
Taunt is real useful  on a fast mon in cap
Jordy - Today at 8:08 PM
while also helping w stall
Birkal - Today at 8:08 PM
Ferro and clef are both popular here too
Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
whats a super standard team in the meta rn
Birkal - Today at 8:09 PM
Clef has competition from jumbao
reachzero - Today at 8:09 PM
Tornadus-T?
Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
my nect team is pretty standard
sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
"stall"
Birkal - Today at 8:09 PM
Pex is worse
Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
to show what the meta is
reachzero - Today at 8:09 PM
I like Hurricane/Heat Wave/HP Ground/Defog
sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
hang on im getting my hammer and smashing chansey to bits
Jordy - Today at 8:09 PM
taunt torn-t destroys stall
Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
https://pokepast.es/f70a6e37e9cad651
Jordy - Today at 8:09 PM
especially if its helmet
reachzero - Today at 8:09 PM
Pex is meh in CAP
sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
pssh
Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
this is a very common build type
sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
chansey doesn't need those there non-attacks
it just needs bulk and seismic toss
Marjane - Today at 8:10 PM
same reach
Jho - Today at 8:10 PM
huh pex is still pex
just toxic > spikes
in cap normally
Jordy - Today at 8:11 PM
same goes for ou cuz a lot of teams r immune to tspikes
reachzero - Today at 8:11 PM
That team looks...
Hmm
Weak to Pajantom
A little hard to deal with MCrucibelle
sleep - Today at 8:11 PM
btw
i'd love to make a team with naviathan
because
its the only steel mon i can think of in the meta thats not steel/flying
Jho - Today at 8:12 PM
that team is 9-0 in tours i dont really struggle with either of those
sleep - Today at 8:12 PM
bye bye, cruci
no wait cruci has a ground move doesnt it(edited)
Jho - Today at 8:12 PM
paj is easy to force out with lati and gives a free double to Nect on the ferro
sleep - Today at 8:12 PM
how the hell do you beat cruci ow
Birkal - Today at 8:12 PM
A thing to note about cap is that hazards imo are harder to keep up
sleep - Today at 8:12 PM
no wait i know the answer
Birkal - Today at 8:13 PM
So many mons get rapid spin
sleep - Today at 8:13 PM
mega zam
Jordy - Today at 8:13 PM
also i heard voltturn is super prominent in cap
Jho - Today at 8:13 PM
YES
krilowatt+Mega cruci
both have magic gaurd
sleep - Today at 8:13 PM
"So many mons get rapid spin"
Jho - Today at 8:13 PM
and voltturn
sleep - Today at 8:13 PM
who besides tomo
Birkal - Today at 8:13 PM
Cruci has regen before it Megas too
Jho - Today at 8:13 PM
14/24 caps have spin iirc
Jordy - Today at 8:13 PM
oo
SHSP - Today at 8:13 PM
crucikrill is a very strong core
yea
Jordy - Today at 8:13 PM
can anyone show me a team w that
TwilightWing - Today at 8:13 PM
it's a fun core
Jho - Today at 8:14 PM
theres one in samples hold up
Birkal - Today at 8:14 PM
I have never used krill
Jordy - Today at 8:14 PM
oh ill get it
http://pokepast.es/524fddf1a74ec56a
this
Jho - Today at 8:14 PM
yeah that
its a tad outdated but
Mellow - Today at 8:14 PM
pokepaste has sprites for this
Jho - Today at 8:14 PM
i made it as a stall cteam
Mellow - Today at 8:14 PM
thats clean
sleep - Today at 8:14 PM
im sorry
Birkal - Today at 8:14 PM
Jordy what I need to you to do
sleep - Today at 8:14 PM
did you say
stall
Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
Is sign up for this real quick
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/captt-iv-sign-ups.3637438/
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CAP Team Tournament IV

Hey everyone, it's finally here! Thanks for being patient with the wait, but CAPTT IV sign ups are now live! I will be returning as the host of CAPTT again and this time EpicUmbreon29 will be joining me as my co-host.

Welcome to the CAP Team Tournamen...
Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
lololol
Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
And get picked up by the arghs
To teambuild
Jordy - Today at 8:15 PM
lowkey garbage though
Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
i thought u were the pajs birkal
Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
And fite
Nah that’s snake
Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
oh
draps the arghs?
wild
Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
Yeah him and me
Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
huh
thought hed take pajs or nects
since thats all he uses
reachzero - Today at 8:16 PM
That team would still work
SHSP - Today at 8:16 PM
snake and I are paj's
Birkal - Today at 8:16 PM
Aka the worst team
reachzero - Today at 8:16 PM
Though I'd go Jumbao > Bulu
Jho - Today at 8:16 PM
bulu is there to give kart grassy
so that Leaf blade 2hkos everything
also weaken EQs for kril/cruci
Birkal - Today at 8:16 PM
Bao is really popular in the meta rn
Actually good drought setter
And trace is great too
sleep - Today at 8:17 PM
would megazam be the best cruci counter?
Jho - Today at 8:17 PM
counter?no
counter implies it can switch in
EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:17 PM
It’s certainly a check
Birkal - Today at 8:17 PM
It’s a good check
sleep - Today at 8:17 PM
oh
in that case
nothing counters cruci
Birkal - Today at 8:18 PM
Can anything switch in to cruci?
EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:18 PM
Zygarde
Jho - Today at 8:18 PM
max max skarm
EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:18 PM
And Kartana
Jho - Today at 8:18 PM
spdf skarm takes 40 from headhsmash
such a dumb calc lol
EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:18 PM
lol

SHSP - Today at 8:18 PM
yeah cruci hits like a truck
Jho - Today at 8:19 PM
i think phys def gliscor could be ok
idk if that takes 2 actually
and if cruci coils on your switch
repent
sleep - Today at 8:19 PM
im sorry does cruci have a weakness
Jho - Today at 8:20 PM
many
it has the worst typing in the game
sleep - Today at 8:20 PM
wrong
its not ice/rock
SHSP - Today at 8:20 PM
being weak to ground sucks
Jho - Today at 8:20 PM
id argue rock poison is worse
sleep - Today at 8:20 PM
not when nothing mANAGES TO SWITCH IN
Jho - Today at 8:20 PM
hippo counters it
:shrug:
sleep - Today at 8:20 PM
...
is that a joke.
Jho - Today at 8:21 PM
no?
sleep - Today at 8:21 PM
no by that i mean
using hippo
i can believe it beats cruci
then again doesnt slowking only exist since it beats volk?(edited)
Jho - Today at 8:21 PM
why would that be a joke hippo is good
SHSP - Today at 8:21 PM
snake's been spamming slowking
EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:21 PM
Hippo gets hit by Wood Hammer pretty hard though
Jho - Today at 8:21 PM
rat took it to finals also
arent they all low kick > wood hammer tho now
SHSP - Today at 8:22 PM
most are
since you lose to stuff like ferro
Jordy - Today at 8:22 PM
wouldnt u just
turn on ferro
Jho - Today at 8:22 PM
252 Atk Crucibelle-Mega Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 190-224 (45.2 - 53.3%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
also wood hammer
doesnt 2hko
Marjane - Today at 8:22 PM
mscizor can handle cruci
Jho - Today at 8:22 PM
oh that is
incorrect doesnt head smash do 60
Birkal - Today at 8:22 PM
Wood hammer makes me so mad
Lemme switch in argh
Jho - Today at 8:23 PM
252 Atk Crucibelle-Mega Head Smash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Scizor-Mega: 144-169 (41.9 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
thats max max
which none are
Birkal - Today at 8:23 PM
It doesn’t 2hko spD, does it?
Marjane - Today at 8:23 PM
yeah but
Jho - Today at 8:23 PM
most are mixed, favouring spdf
Marjane - Today at 8:23 PM
roost stall
Jho - Today at 8:23 PM
your slower
how can u roost stall
on the switch in
+if they have coil
you have lost
Marjane - Today at 8:23 PM
well
depends
Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
Also one thing you should know about cap
Is the three custom abilities of older mons
SHSP - Today at 8:24 PM
and the 2 moves
Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
We need to have a page specifically on those three somewhere
The moves are less important
SHSP - Today at 8:24 PM
still pretty important imo
Jho - Today at 8:24 PM
yo whats the 2nd unique move?
Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
You can get way screwed over by rebound if you don’t know what it is
Jho - Today at 8:24 PM
paeleo and
Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
Shadow strike
SHSP - Today at 8:24 PM
since they're kinda key to the mons themselves
Jordy - Today at 8:24 PM
whats the three?
Jho - Today at 8:24 PM
oh yeah
Jordy - Today at 8:25 PM
persistent and?
Jho - Today at 8:25 PM
mountaineer
SHSP - Today at 8:25 PM
persistent for fidgit
Birkal - Today at 8:25 PM
Rebound and mountaineer
Jordy - Today at 8:25 PM
i know what mountaineer does but whats rebound
SHSP - Today at 8:25 PM
mountaineer for Syclant, doesnt take rock damage on switchin (rocks and rock moves)
Jho - Today at 8:25 PM
1 turn magic bounce
on the switch in
SHSP - Today at 8:25 PM
rebound is switch in magic bounce
Birkal - Today at 8:25 PM
Only colossoil has it
Jho - Today at 8:25 PM
if you spikes and they go colo, they get bounced
but if u spike again
the spike goes up
(most colo are guts tho)
Birkal - Today at 8:26 PM
It’s tricky because imo most soil run flame orb guts
Jordy - Today at 8:26 PM
considering it has guts
would it even use that
Jho - Today at 8:26 PM
not normally, no
Birkal - Today at 8:26 PM
Happens from time to time
And is annoying if you don’t know it
Jho - Today at 8:26 PM
airwind runs like AV rebound
SHSP - Today at 8:26 PM
airwind is wild
Birkal - Today at 8:26 PM
Lol
Jho - Today at 8:26 PM
airwind wins games with mono cap
somehow someway
Birkal - Today at 8:27 PM
(Most people think using a team of 6 caps is bad)
(I agree)
SHSP - Today at 8:27 PM
it tends to handicap you
pretty significantly
Jho - Today at 8:27 PM
there isnt enough variety to make a balanced team
SHSP - Today at 8:27 PM
unless your air
Jho - Today at 8:27 PM
that man has balance with like kit tho
idk if i call that balanced
Jordy - Today at 8:28 PM
whats slowking doing at B+
Jho - Today at 8:28 PM
countering volkraken
to scourge
when you play CAP with a ou team and ur water resist is spdf pex
and suddenly u face the kraken
and your pex takes 60 from a hydro pump
thats where B+ slowking comes in
SHSP - Today at 8:29 PM
yeah kraken is strong
Birkal - Today at 8:29 PM
Yeah volk is a huge threat
SHSP - Today at 8:29 PM
but 95 spe
is rough
slowking's also up there for TR
Birkal - Today at 8:29 PM
That’s why I liked gastro
Because it switches in well
SHSP - Today at 8:29 PM
since snake has had a ton of success with it
there
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:30 PM
I heard tr
Marjane - Today at 8:30 PM
gastro's a really good volk counter
Jordy - Today at 8:30 PM
id like to see a toxapex die
Birkal - Today at 8:30 PM
But so does spd argh
Marjane - Today at 8:30 PM
but argh counters more things
Jho - Today at 8:30 PM
Pex is 2hkod by pex in rain or sun
Birkal - Today at 8:30 PM
Yeah agreed marjane
Jho - Today at 8:30 PM
Volk*
Birkal - Today at 8:30 PM
And you guys would say scarf is most common volk set, right?
SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
i still think scarf is more common than specs yeah
Birkal - Today at 8:31 PM
Or is it specs for some calc?
SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
specs is the one that always gets calc'd
Birkal - Today at 8:31 PM
People have used AV but I don’t think it would be nearly as good
Jho - Today at 8:31 PM
Scarf is most common specs is the hardest to deal@with
SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
because it became very fotm
jay used it on a rain team and then everybody was
Jordy - Today at 8:31 PM
is there any caps in particular that are unviable
sleep - Today at 8:31 PM
hey, guys, who goes well with mega scizor?
SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
and now it's nommed to S
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:31 PM
The best volk check is dodging
Jordy - Today at 8:31 PM
zygarde
SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
Voodoom is the poster child
Birkal - Today at 8:32 PM
All can work
sleep - Today at 8:32 PM
i did some calcs and mega sciz handles cruci pretty welll
SHSP - Today at 8:32 PM
for unviable caps
Birkal - Today at 8:32 PM
By yah voodoom is pretty bad
SHSP - Today at 8:32 PM
it's severly outclassed
Jho - Today at 8:32 PM
Voodoom mala and mollux I would say are D tier or lower
SHSP - Today at 8:32 PM
conda isn't much better
Marjane - Today at 8:32 PM
no mollux isn't bad
Jho - Today at 8:32 PM
Oh yes it is
Marjane - Today at 8:32 PM
no it's not
sleep - Today at 8:32 PM
guys
CAP UU
when
Jordy - Today at 8:32 PM
atleast mollux is cute
Birkal - Today at 8:32 PM
Even then, malaconda isn’t that bad at all
Has glare and harvest and knock and stuff
Jho - Today at 8:33 PM
Mollux is a spinner weak to rocks and spikes
Birkal - Today at 8:33 PM
With really good spd iirc
Jho - Today at 8:33 PM
Walled by tran
SHSP - Today at 8:33 PM
conda really really wants 10 more def
Birkal - Today at 8:33 PM
Yeah Conda being uturn x4 weak does not help
SHSP - Today at 8:33 PM
it was a pain for updates because we realized the two biggest flaws we couldnt fix
stats and arguably typing
sleep - Today at 8:34 PM
guys
can someone pass me a krilo set to go with mega sciz?
Jho - Today at 8:34 PM
Ice beam tbolt switch EP max max with orb
Birkal - Today at 8:34 PM
Also people seem to love pyroak and kit, but I think both are bad
Esp oak
sleep - Today at 8:34 PM
pyroak is pretty good
when you dont have a mega cruci
dying noises
Jho - Today at 8:34 PM
I would argue both are very middling
The problem with kit is people use it offensively
And not wisp wish defo
Birkal - Today at 8:35 PM
Yeah middling is a good term
Jho - Today at 8:35 PM
Defog
Birkal - Today at 8:35 PM
But why use middling when there are so many good mons
Jho - Today at 8:35 PM
That set is so much better
Yeah exactly
Outclassed
Birkal - Today at 8:35 PM
I guess to fill a hole
I forgot kit got defog
cbrevan - Today at 8:35 PM
they're both niche picks, although i'd say roak is the better of the two
Mellow - Today at 8:35 PM
is there any mons in cap that are much worse than they are in ou aside from blace
Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
Blace is good in cap
cbrevan - Today at 8:36 PM
if you can keep rocks off the field its a very solid wall
Mellow - Today at 8:36 PM
the vr says ur xd
Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
People just haven’t adapted to the speed boost set yet
sleep - Today at 8:36 PM
mellow
heatran
Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
Yeah I got a question about that mellow
sleep - Today at 8:36 PM
and kartana
Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
Why is mamo ou? Is it any good there?
Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
Kartana is one for sure
Jordy - Today at 8:36 PM
no
Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
I think it’d be horrible there
Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
Mamo is OU because of a YouTubed
Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
And it certainly is here lol
Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
Youtuber
Mellow - Today at 8:36 PM
mamo is ou and its okay
Jordy - Today at 8:36 PM
joey manipulated the usage system
Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
Which one
Oh joey
Smh
Mellow - Today at 8:37 PM
joey fontaine yeah
Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
He has done some cap too
Jho - Today at 8:37 PM
Yeah
Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
its decent but saying its good or even deserving of ou status is a no
SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
it's v niche right
Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
I’d love to get another cap YouTube vid
reachzero - Today at 8:37 PM
Pyroak has some good reasons to use it
SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
didn't Moet make one
Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
The blunder one from a few years ago is hilarious
SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
a month or so ago
Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
it does kinda take advantage
Mellow - Today at 8:37 PM
just throw cap teams at joey
sleep - Today at 8:37 PM
buzzwole to the top when
Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
of the fat meta
SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
the heatah was hilarious
Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
but its too slow
SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
poor snake
Mellow - Today at 8:37 PM
i find it hard to justify putting mamo on my teams ever
Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
Yah
Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
if it had like 100 base speed
Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
Snake did not play well :frowning:
Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
itd be super good
Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
He did better than I’d do lol
Jordy - Today at 8:38 PM
mellow ur literally never adding it onto a team
Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
Uhh most of the tapus are still pretty good here
sleep - Today at 8:38 PM
no seriously though uhh
SHSP - Today at 8:38 PM
otherwise stuff that's weak to ground is already a little more iffy
Jordy - Today at 8:38 PM
ur either building around it or basically not using it lol
Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
They don’t get used enough
SHSP - Today at 8:38 PM
since we run a lot of ground coverage
sleep - Today at 8:38 PM
can i have a krilo set to go with mega sciz?
Mellow - Today at 8:38 PM
half of my issue is that people play dumb as shit against mamo
everyone always keeps their landos in on mamo
Jordy - Today at 8:38 PM
the play is going tran vs the icicle crash
then going bulu on the eq
then going clef
Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
Lando is probably even better here
Than ou
SHSP - Today at 8:39 PM
oh, ash gren is pretty hard checked vs jumb so it's recently hurt
Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
thats insane
Mellow - Today at 8:39 PM
didnt someone nom it for a+
reachzero - Today at 8:39 PM
N
Landorus-T is better in OU
Way better
SHSP - Today at 8:39 PM
^
Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
i cant imagine it being way better
Mellow - Today at 8:39 PM
lando has gotten worse recently in ou bare in mind
Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
that
sleep - Today at 8:39 PM
guys please i need a krilo set
reachzero - Today at 8:39 PM
It does literally nothing that Coba Tomohawk can't counter
Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
lando's taken a hard hit
Jho - Today at 8:39 PM
I don’t know how people reach this conclusion
Lando is the best Pokemon still
In CAP
Jordy - Today at 8:40 PM
right
Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
By a large margin
Birkal - Today at 8:40 PM
Yeah I love lando
Jordy - Today at 8:40 PM
i was abt to introduce u to heatran
SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
i think Tomo isn't too far back offler
Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
@reachzero stone edge? hawk is weak to rock i think
SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
but that's just me
sleep - Today at 8:40 PM
"Lando is fhe best Pokemon in CAP"
Birkal - Today at 8:40 PM
Tran is pretty useful in this meta too
SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
hawk's neutral
Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
Hawk isn’t weak to rock
sleep - Today at 8:40 PM
Tomohawk: Hold my drink.
Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
oh what typing is it
SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
fight/fly
Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
oh
Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
Hawk isn’t better than tomo
Lando*
It’s more centralising
Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
how thicc is hawk physically
Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
But it’s not as good
Birkal - Today at 8:40 PM
Pretty
Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
110?
Jordy - Today at 8:41 PM
so its like a hawlucha but versatile
Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
And it has prio roost
Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
It’s a tank jordy
SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
105/90/80 def
Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
Prankster haze and roost
SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
115 spa, 85 spe
Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
Makes set up sweepers obsolete
SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
it sees offensive play
Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
Oh yah prankster haze
cbrevan - Today at 8:41 PM
its less a hawlucha and more if lando wasn't 4x weak to ice imo
SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
as well
Mellow - Today at 8:41 PM
oh so im guessing fly z does like 60 to coba
Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
That is something to know lol
Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
95
From adamant
Mellow - Today at 8:41 PM
jesus
Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
What happened to the sub toxic hawk set people used to run
Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
It’s like 82-90
Jordy - Today at 8:41 PM
doesnt cawmodore use drum
whats up with that
Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
Yup
cbrevan - Today at 8:42 PM
yes
Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
Yeah
Jordy - Today at 8:42 PM
if theres prankster haze
Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
That is it’s only set
cbrevan - Today at 8:42 PM
its the only thing its good for
sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
but guys
Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
But you gotta know it
sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
can i say something
SHSP - Today at 8:42 PM
it's like an uber late game sweeper
Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
You kill tomo first
Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
Because it will sweep hard
Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
Or put it in acro range
Which is like 555
SHSP - Today at 8:42 PM
since it's checked by scarf kraken, some elecs
Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
55
Project_Mars - Today at 8:42 PM
“Something”
Jordy - Today at 8:42 PM
does it have priority or something
sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
guys
SHSP - Today at 8:42 PM
it has BP
cbrevan - Today at 8:42 PM
bullet punch
Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
It has BP
sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
I need. A Krilowatt. Set.
Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
I gave you one
sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
you did?
when?
Birkal - Today at 8:43 PM
Like with happyland, I though cb zygarde could beat cawm
Jho - Today at 8:43 PM
Scroll up a tad yeah
Birkal - Today at 8:43 PM
But it can’t beat drain pumch
sleep - Today at 8:43 PM
oh i see
SHSP - Today at 8:43 PM
yeah drain punch is big for it
Mellow - Today at 8:43 PM
imagine getting lucky that your team is good in another tier and being called an ou beast LOL
SHSP - Today at 8:43 PM
we dont get a lot of OU attention
viper got Finch to sign up for CAPTT this year
Mellow - Today at 8:43 PM
just make something that hard counters heatran
SHSP - Today at 8:43 PM
and last year we had what, Vertex sign up, Gmars sign up and actually really like it
Mellow - Today at 8:44 PM
if you havent already
SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
and then p2
who did not do so well
cbrevan - Today at 8:44 PM
speaking of which, captt draft is tomorrow
Birkal - Today at 8:44 PM
WHAT
I was finch
SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
viper
took credit
lol
Birkal - Today at 8:44 PM
I talked to him in SS
SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
since viper and him are friends
Birkal - Today at 8:44 PM
Dang I’ll let viper have this one
Jho - Today at 8:44 PM
Lol
Also p2 got slammed last year
SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
yeah p2 did not do so well
Jordy - Today at 8:45 PM
mellow i didnt get lucky its pure skill
Birkal - Today at 8:45 PM
Who did he play for?
Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
Revs iirc?
SHSP - Today at 8:45 PM
not revs
cbrevan - Today at 8:45 PM
gmars was a pretty great buy
Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
That was gmars
Yeah
SHSP - Today at 8:45 PM
gmars was revs and was real solid
p2 was krills
Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
Ah
cbrevan - Today at 8:45 PM
yeah gmars was a rev
Mellow - Today at 8:45 PM
oh true i remember in building you said you were gonna take tomohawk into account when building(edited)
Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
P2 lost to raimon
Who is now banned
Birkal - Today at 8:45 PM
Cap is just really fun rn
Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
Who was on my omfl team
Birkal - Today at 8:46 PM
And team tourney is a great way to learn it
From people who know it
Jordy - Today at 8:46 PM
that is correct mellow
reachzero - Today at 8:46 PM
The only thing I don't like about Landorus-T is that it doesn't play nice with Tomohawk
Jho - Today at 8:46 PM
It doesn’t matter if you gimp your hawk to live SSSS it loses to so much more
reachzero - Today at 8:46 PM
And Tomohawk keeps a lot of specific stuff from sweeping you
Jho - Today at 8:46 PM
No lefties is huge
Birkal - Today at 8:46 PM
Cap has a lot of good sweepers
cbrevan - Today at 8:46 PM
thats why i think of tomo as cap lando
Jho - Today at 8:47 PM
Mmm necturna
My child
cbrevan - Today at 8:47 PM
they compress similiar roles and are hard to fit together
reachzero - Today at 8:47 PM
Every Landorus-T team I have loses to Necturna
SHSP - Today at 8:47 PM
yeah nect was wild
ty @DrapionSwing
cbrevan - Today at 8:47 PM
why did we give nect phantom force is the real question
SHSP - Today at 8:47 PM
recently we've had a lot of meta development, really
Birkal - Today at 8:47 PM
Necturna gets sketch for you new people
But just once
cbrevan - Today at 8:47 PM
did no one run calcs for +2 z phantom force?
SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
specs Kraken was kinda nothing and then bop out of nowhere it's strong
Jordy - Today at 8:48 PM
doesnt sketch means it has access to practically all moves
Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
Yes
Jho - Today at 8:48 PM
Yep
SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
nect was like, a webs setter forever and then a month ago
Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
But only one move
SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
Shell Smash nect showed up huge
Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
Mostly used for sticky web and shell smash
Jho - Today at 8:48 PM
Sometimes shift gear or geomancy
Jordy - Today at 8:48 PM
oh u mean it only gets sketch once throughout its entire pool so it can only sketch one
Jho - Today at 8:48 PM
Yeh
SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
ye
Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
People ran like sacred fire on it too for a while
Jho - Today at 8:49 PM
It’s definitley our best sweeper
cbrevan - Today at 8:49 PM
if i had to guess why, its that people weren't using ghostium z with shell smash, or were trying z geo sets instead
Jho - Today at 8:49 PM
Yeah drap passed me a team with SS and I fell in love with it
cbrevan - Today at 8:49 PM
z phantom force is the reason why the set works
Birkal - Today at 8:49 PM
Necturna can run some pretty wild sets
If you’re creative enough
Jho - Today at 8:49 PM
I think snors VR post sums up Necturna perfectly
sleep - Today at 8:50 PM
https://pokepast.es/a8def052e638f799
cbrevan - Today at 8:50 PM
ss nect has been a thing since oras but never gained traction due to tomo and a handful of other stops that ghostium just overloads
sleep - Today at 8:50 PM
hows this core sort of thing look?
Jho - Today at 8:50 PM
Yeah it doesn’t need edge anymore thanks to Z ghost so it can run sub
And dodge sucker games
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:50 PM
SS Nect was originally z stone edge
Jordy - Today at 8:50 PM
is max atk msciz something here
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:50 PM
Ahh sniped out the sky
SHSP - Today at 8:50 PM
goes to show the meta is really still underexplored
Jordy - Today at 8:50 PM
wouldnt u want it for its defensive utility
Jho - Today at 8:50 PM
Nop jordy
Tomohawk is here
reachzero - Today at 8:50 PM
I think the other funny thing about CAP is that a zillion things can viably run Toxic
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:50 PM
It is shsp
Jordy - Today at 8:51 PM
cuz im looking at that core and i see max atk sd msciz
cbrevan - Today at 8:51 PM
its mainly due to tomo too
Jho - Today at 8:51 PM
Most Msciz here run toxic
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:51 PM
Which is why we need all the people we can playing around with shit
sleep - Today at 8:51 PM
mostly due to crucibelle
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:51 PM
Z moves makes the world a better place
sleep - Today at 8:51 PM
because screw you, crucibelle
reachzero - Today at 8:51 PM
Everything that is walled by Tomohawk and Arghonaut
cbrevan - Today at 8:51 PM
if you can land the toxic on it a lot of would be checks beat it
SHSP - Today at 8:51 PM
i mean, in the past while we've had Coba hawk, specs kraken, nect pop up
Jordy - Today at 8:51 PM
i bet literally every other tier player ever would like to disagree with you
sleep - Today at 8:51 PM
hit that crap as hard as possible with the unboosted bullet punch
SHSP - Today at 8:51 PM
and those 3 are some of the biggest things that we've really innovated
Jordy - Today at 8:51 PM
some people ive talked to have even wanted them banned lol
cbrevan - Today at 8:51 PM
since it relies a lot on close 3hkos w/ prankster roost to wear some mons down
SHSP - Today at 8:52 PM
hell, Jumbao is criminally underexplored if you ask me
Jordy - Today at 8:52 PM
and tbh i personally find them pretty stupid aswell
Jho - Today at 8:52 PM
I like my bao set
sleep - Today at 8:52 PM
z-moves are great
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:52 PM
Z Jumbao is fire
Jho - Today at 8:52 PM
Scarf HW
sleep - Today at 8:52 PM
giving you the extra push to slaughter your enemies
DrapionSwing - Today at 8:52 PM
And it took like 5 months for paj to become mainstream
And fire
cbrevan - Today at 8:52 PM
which mons jordy?
Jho - Today at 8:52 PM
That was thanks to rat
And that broken set
Jordy - Today at 8:52 PM
wdym mons
like mons that are stupid cuz of zmoves?
SHSP - Today at 8:52 PM
nah it wasnt just rats spdef paj
it was drap too
with all the Z sets
Birkal - Today at 8:52 PM
Yah you need to know about paj
Comatose and spirit shackle
cbrevan - Today at 8:53 PM
ah i  didn't see draps comment
mb
Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
The spdf set gets me everytime
cbrevan - Today at 8:53 PM
fuck z moves i can agree
Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
That’s why I have hoopa on every team now
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:53 PM
Thanks for the shoutout offer
Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
All good brother
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:53 PM
Offler*
Jordy - Today at 8:53 PM
i despise zmoves because heatran is now considered broken cuz of its variety of zmoves when spdef is super underused
i think i worded that incorrectly but whatever
Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
Z steel does like 70 to mlati
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
Good lord
Jho - Today at 8:54 PM
It’s super broken
Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
zsteel kills mega latios
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
Fr?
Jho - Today at 8:54 PM
It kills?
Wild
reachzero - Today at 8:54 PM
SpD Pajantom is good because people play Colossoil dumb
Jho - Today at 8:54 PM
People don’t play colo
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
People play colossoil?
Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
252 SpA Heatran Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Latios-Mega: 249-294 (82.7 - 97.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
cbrevan - Today at 8:54 PM
hence why paj is good
reachzero - Today at 8:54 PM
Um, yes?
Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
the best switchin is mantine
SHSP - Today at 8:54 PM
god that calc
Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
and mantine sucks
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
That calc
Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
cuz it doesnt wna catcha  toxic
also considering that more heatran are running modest now
Jho - Today at 8:55 PM
Z dig gren needs to come back
Jordy - Today at 8:55 PM
252+ SpA Heatran Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Latios-Mega: 273-322 (90.6 - 106.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
lol
Jho - Today at 8:55 PM
For trans
reachzero - Today at 8:55 PM
Um
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:55 PM
The worst offler phase was mantine
reachzero - Today at 8:55 PM
You wouldn't use -SpD MLatios
You use -Def
Jordy - Today at 8:55 PM
in ou you would
Jho - Today at 8:55 PM
-def for losing to scarf kart
Hmmm
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:55 PM
Hmmmm
Jordy - Today at 8:55 PM
id probs trade atk before going -def lol
reachzero - Today at 8:56 PM
OU is a different animal
Jho - Today at 8:56 PM
-def makes it die to colo doesn’t it
P sure it loves pursuit / knock normally
Jordy - Today at 8:57 PM
assuming u meant lives
Jho - Today at 8:57 PM
I did
reachzero - Today at 8:57 PM
-SpD means you for to Volkraken though
Which is the whole reason you have it
Die
Jho - Today at 8:58 PM
I don’t think hydro 2hkos even with -spdf?
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:58 PM
Does jolly zam outspeed kraken?
Jho - Today at 8:58 PM
Nope
Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:58 PM
Unfort
Jho - Today at 8:58 PM
Not even close lol
Scarf Ada lando outspeeds zam
I think
Can I math
cbrevan - Today at 8:59 PM
volk outspeeds it
Jordy - Today at 9:00 PM
scarf ada lando doesnt outspeed timid mega zam
Jho - Today at 9:00 PM
Yo I can’t math
Jordy - Today at 9:00 PM
considering u need 293 speed at +1 to do that
Jho - Today at 9:00 PM
Most are modest anyway tho
Zam not lando
Jordy - Today at 9:01 PM
i know
Jho - Today at 9:01 PM
Lol
Jordy - Today at 9:01 PM
thats how it is in ou aswell
reachzero - Today at 9:02 PM
Can Mega Zam do enough damage to Caw to keep it from Belly Drumming
?
Jho - Today at 9:02 PM
Most definitley
I think
Birkal - Today at 9:02 PM
Yah caw is crazy weak
Marjane - Today at 9:02 PM
why are people signing up to captt with their interest tiers being 1v1 and Ubers
Birkal - Today at 9:02 PM
Special defense is low
Jho - Today at 9:02 PM
I’d assume modest psychic does about 70
cbrevan - Today at 9:03 PM
pretty sure focus blast is a ohko
Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
But that means missing
Birkal - Today at 9:03 PM
Definitely
Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
If psychic prevents BD I think psychic is better
cbrevan - Today at 9:03 PM
252+ SpA Alakazam-Mega Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cawmodore: 128-151 (52.8 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
OH NVM
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:03 PM
Confide
Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
that’s why we use calcs in games people
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:03 PM
Signed up
Birkal - Today at 9:04 PM
Do that with fb
cbrevan - Today at 9:04 PM
hp fire/focus blast most definitely does it tho
Birkal - Today at 9:04 PM
Yah
cbrevan - Today at 9:04 PM
252+ SpA Alakazam-Mega Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cawmodore: 228-269 (94.2 - 111.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Jordy - Today at 9:04 PM
imagine calcing in a game
ive not done that since ive come back
Birkal - Today at 9:04 PM
Also a mon you should know about that is pretty rare is revenankh
Jho - Today at 9:04 PM
Tour games I calc
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:04 PM
Same
Jho - Today at 9:04 PM
Ladder I guess
Birkal - Today at 9:05 PM
Runs triage drain punch and moonlight
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:05 PM
Calcing is lame
Birkal - Today at 9:05 PM
And usually bulk up?
cbrevan - Today at 9:05 PM
i always calc because i don't know the rolls anymore
reachzero - Today at 9:05 PM
Revenankh is getting more popular
Jordy - Today at 9:05 PM
that sounds disgusting
Jho - Today at 9:05 PM
It would be if hawk and lele weren’t
Everywhere
reachzero - Today at 9:05 PM
Bulk Up is common on the ladder
But bad
Jho - Today at 9:05 PM
Rat runs
Glare/wisp
reachzero - Today at 9:05 PM
Toxic/Wisp
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:06 PM
Rat runs wisp toxic
Lol
reachzero - Today at 9:06 PM
Is more up to date from Rats
Jho - Today at 9:06 PM
Close
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:06 PM
I would run glare toxic personally
reachzero - Today at 9:08 PM
I think Toxic/EQ is the general best, but your individual team should probably be how you decide
Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:08 PM
Glare tran
And pex