#pardus chat - 1-31-2012

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[Monday, January 30, 2012] [04:02:45 PM] <turgay> hı
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[Monday, January 30, 2012] [04:03:12 PM] <sebo28> she
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[12:32] <acjohnson> anyone here?
[12:33] <sebo28> ayna yok bizde
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[12:36] <anglo> and me
[12:37] <acjohnson> is that kaan?
[12:37] <acjohnson> kunguz is kaan akizit I believe. He was testing kernel 3.2.2 on pardus
[12:38] <kunguz> acjohnson: yes, I am
[12:38] <sebo28> kunguz:  arkadaşlar ne iş
[12:38] <acjohnson> Hey kaan, can you read my post here and tell me what you think: http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?topic=4312.msg23770#msg23770
[12:38] <sebo28> pardusa katkıdamı bulunuyorlar
[12:38] <kunguz> sebo28: beni sordu, çekirdek 3.2.2 deniyorsun değil mi diyor.
[12:39] <kunguz> acjohnson: sure, I can.
[12:39] <acjohnson> @kunguz thank you
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[12:40] <sebo28> elin yabancısı bile sahip cıkıyor bz onu bile beceremiyoruz yahu
[12:40] <kunguz> acjohnson: here is the thing.
[12:40] <acjohnson> @kunguz my point is that we need to have a new place for the Pardus community, most importantly a binary pisi repo and a bug tracker
[12:40] <kunguz> acjohnson: hold on I will share a link with you
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[12:41] <acjohnson> @tribunal the russian site if looking much better
[12:41] <acjohnson> *is
[12:42] <tribunal> Thank to zaG - our web-developer
[12:43] <kunguz> acjohnson: have you seen this one: https://github.com/Pardus-Linux
[12:43] <acjohnson> @kunguz of course I have
[12:43] <acjohnson> @kunguz I forked it to my github (just in case)
[12:44] <kunguz> acjohnson: as far as I have seen from the members section, it is most probably that they will try to defend their masterpiece. But what community needs is a fork in anyways.
[12:44] <kunguz> acjohnson: I have copied the svn of Pardus to my local, just in case
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[12:44] <kunguz> acjohnson: no matter what there is this other effort from maidis
[12:44] <acjohnson> @kunguz so you are saying that the pardus devs will protect their baby?
[12:44] <kunguz> acjohnson: he is packing the Kde 4.8 for Pardus
[12:45] <kunguz> acjohnson: I will start to help him now by packing kdegames 4.8
[12:45] <kunguz> acjohnson: I believe so
[12:45] <kunguz> acjohnson: but no matter what
[12:45] <kunguz> acjohnson: we need a fork
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[12:45] <tribunal> b.t.w., I have 3 potentional developers, one of them is a professional python-developer
[12:45] <acjohnson> @kunguz that's the first I heard of any pardus devs wanting to continue... Who else besides ozan wants to protect pardus?
[12:46] <kunguz> acjohnson: there should be some other distrubition with an alternative team for not to get to same point as we are now [12:46] <namcojoulder> LKD is looking for a server now. But it may take long time. but its just for a build farm may be. I dont now. @kunguz @acjohnson
[12:46] <acjohnson> @kunguz I'm not sure I follow.
[12:47] <kunguz> acjohnson: the backbone of the team are in members of the github project. Why not to be a member then, there is even a kernel 3.2 pisi build in their github project
[12:47] <kunguz> namcojoulder: yes, that would be really nice
[12:47] <acjohnson> @kunguz @namcojoulder I actually like what the russian guys are doing, we should work with them
[12:47] <kunguz> acjohnson: what is the link of their project, I haven't seen their work yet.
[12:48] <acjohnson> http://pardus-linux.ru/
[12:48] <kunguz> Eren is actually a member of github project, in this case I believe he has a clearer idea on the future of the github project of pardus
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[12:48] <namcojoulder> tribunal: professional python developer will be very good for Pardus fork . Pisi,Çomar and other Pardus technologies written in python.
[12:48] <acjohnson> I'm not in favor for something that is locale specific, but if it can be internationalized, I'm okay with that
[12:48] <kunguz> acjohnson: must say, they have a nice looking web site
[12:48] <sebo28> ruslar mı bunlar
[12:49] <tribunal> kunguz: well, we have 1 desiner, 3 developers, maintainers. But where is a roadmap, where is a leader? [12:49] <kunguz> sebo28: evet
[12:49] <acjohnson> @kunguz it is a good start anyways
[12:49] <sebo28> bi rus kadar olamadık
[12:49] <namcojoulder> tribunal: that is the biggest problem now [12:49] --> krab has joined this channel (5f51dc6d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.81.220.109).
[12:49] <acjohnson> @kunguz so why not use github for code repo and then work with @tribunal to get more resources online
[12:49] <tribunal> kunguz: I am a developer and PL and PM
[12:50] <kunguz> tribunal: and I am juniour developer at the official pardus repo
[12:50] <acjohnson> I will glady be leader!
[12:50] <namcojoulder> sebo28: bu şekilde düşünme bence  [12:50] --> airtight has joined this channel (~bitman@cust241-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net).
[12:50] <kunguz> tribunal: recently take part in pardus-linux repo
[12:50] <kunguz> acjohnson: does not matter for me, as long as there is something to contribute
[12:50] <acjohnson> @tribunal I would like to get some more resource on that site asap. I would like to re-create our web form on your site to start with.
[12:50] <sebo28> namcojoulder:  neden adamlar sahıp cıkıyolar biz napıyoz
[12:51] <kunguz> acjohnson: tribunal why don't you or we create fork then?
[12:51] <kunguz> acjohnson: tribunal what is the difference?
[12:51] <acjohnson> @tribunal then a forum, bug tracker, roadmap, etc.
[12:51] <namcojoulder> sebo28: KDE 4.8 PİSİ anıl özbekin projesi Zeki bildirici imece için çalışıyor. Katkı vermeye çalışan birsürü insan var onlar da destek vermeye çalışan diğer yabancılar işte [12:51] <richdb> maybe we need some agenda first .. with roadmap, etc
[12:51] <kunguz> sebo28: dostum sebo28 en acilinden paketleme işlerini öğren sen de katkılara başla
[12:51] <acjohnson> @tribunal so there will be a division of some community members? are there some who don't want to fork yet?
[12:52] <kunguz> acjohnson: as far as I know none of them will be against it
[12:52] <tribunal> kunguz: we need one team, what's why I am waiting for all interested people  We don't several forks
[12:52] <tribunal> And all of us are ready to fork
[12:53] <richdb> tribunal: good point
[12:53] <sebo28> kunguz:  elimden gelse seve seve katkıda bulunurum ama bir inşaatcıdan ne beklenirki
[12:53] <acjohnson> @tribunal @kunguz. Right I don't want to see a separation in forces
[12:53] <tribunal> acjohnson: no one wants
[12:53] <richdb> it is better to create one good fork then lot of them
[12:53] <kunguz> tribunal: I can contribute to each alternative team with my best, because it is the pisi package building as the backbone; then a single package is built; it is ready for every distro.
[12:53] <acjohnson> everyone: so I think we should take advantage of tribunal and ZAGs work and build off of it to work towards a fork
[12:54] <kunguz> acjohnson: agreed
[12:54] <acjohnson> first question: to get a repo online, we need a build farm... Will we have one soon?
[12:54] <richdb> acjohnson: also agredd
[12:54] <tribunal> we can use our site as a place for international coordination. No problem.
[12:55] <kunguz> acjohnson: can use LKD's farms?
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[12:55] <acjohnson> The code for the pardus build farm is on github: https://github.com/Pardus-Linux/buildfarm
[12:55] <tribunal> kunguz: I don't know, cause I don't talk turkish
[12:55] <acjohnson> unsure, what does LKD have so far
[12:55] <richdb> one question: how many real developers do we have now? that are ready for a fork?
[12:55] <acjohnson> @tribunal excellent
[12:55] <kunguz> acjohnson: they sure have a backup of pardus with it's history
[12:56] <kunguz> acjohnson: they said so but don't know if they can provide additional resources like pisi build farms
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[12:56] <acjohnson> @kunguz is Nihad Karsli the person to talk to about LKD?
[12:56] <tribunal> Servers? No problem, I can be a sponsor, for example. But I want to talk with smb from LKD
[12:56] <kunguz> acjohnson: nope Nihat is the guy, hold on
[12:57] <kunguz> acjohnson: I will send his email to you
[12:57] <kunguz> acjohnson: you can contact him via email
[12:57] <acjohnson> @tribunal smb from LKD?
[12:57] <acjohnson> @kunguz okay sound good
[12:57] <kunguz> acjohnson: sorry the name was Hamit.
[12:57] <kunguz> acjohnson: I sent his email to you via private message
[12:58] <acjohnson> @kunguz Hamit Giray Nart, already been talking with him
[12:58] <kunguz> acjohnson: he provided me a svn accound of P2011, he has been in contact with the LKD I believe
[12:58] <acjohnson> @kunguz yes, I have svn access as well.
[12:58] <acjohnson> Here is Hamit's most recent email to me:
[12:58] <acjohnson> We will reach our Pardus installed buildfarm server a few days later. TUBITAK will compose an assembly for the future of Pardus on March. We are trying to gain packagers and developers support while waiting for the assembly.
[12:59] <kunguz> acjohnson: already made some commits
[12:59] <acjohnson> @kunguz, but why commit to svn when github.com/pardus-linux exists? not sure I understand?
[13:00] <kunguz> tribunal: I believe the information is valid
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[13:00] <kunguz> acjohnson: good point but don't know exactly when the developers will really act
[13:01] <richdb> @acjohnson: did you already talk with linuxfanatic from the german forum?
[13:01] <acjohnson> @richdb I have heard literally nothing from LinuxFanatic...
[13:02] <acjohnson> I have created a fork of pardus-linux on github: https://github.com/acjohnson Github is great because we can merge their changes with ours at a click of a button
[13:03] <richdb> @acjohnson: linuxfanatic can read and write turkish, and also german and english .. so it is good to have him also in the team ..
[13:03] <acjohnson> @kunguz then we can either adapt the existing pardus buildfarm scripts to support git, or usine git-svn to sync with github, all commits could then be made to github, or we could move the gepo to our own private git server at some point.
[13:03] <richdb> @all: and about svn or github, i do not care .. just choice the best
[13:04] <acjohnson> @richdb I have pm'd him and received no response...
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[13:04] <sebo28> kunguz:  neler yaptınız merak ediyom yahu
[13:04] <kunguz> acjohnson: git-svn is a fast solution I believe
[13:04] <acjohnson> @all the reason why I want to use github is because it is incredibly complete! it is not missing anything, everything is already there thanks to Ozan.
[13:04] <sebo28> takip edegegimiz bir yer yokmu
[13:05] <namcojoulder> sebo28: git svn derleme çiftliği falan konuşuluyor şu an [13:05] <sebo28> fecede gurubuda kitlemişsiniz
[13:05] <kunguz> acjohnson: yes and git is way better than SVN is another fact.
[13:05] <richdb> @acjohnson: and Ozan himself? Is he ready for the fork? Already speak to him again?
[13:05] <acjohnson> @kunguz I agree
[13:05] <namcojoulder> sebo28: imece.pardusworld.com
[13:05] <sebo28> yürkvemi
[13:05] <sebo28> türkce
[13:06] <acjohnson> @richdb, he has ignored my emails, I made a comment on his blog that he deleted etc. But I think Ozan will work with whomever makes REAL progress...
[13:06] <namcojoulder> sebo28: kayıt olma falan ingilizce şu an ama iki grup var çatalla ilgili
[13:06] <kunguz> richdb: well he did not say anything official yet. I believe we need to give him sometime. He just quited his job.
[13:06] <sebo28> çatallamaya karar verildimi
[13:07] <namcojoulder> yok daha değil [13:07] <sebo28> çalıştaymı bekleniyo
[13:07] <acjohnson> @all is everyone looking at imece.pardusworld.com ??
[13:07] <richdb> @all: ok we give him some time .. but he already fork to git .. with some reason i think .. or did people speak to him about his blog?
[13:07] <namcojoulder> @all i think you should post your ideas to imece.pardusworld.com  thus we can translate them into turkish
[13:08] <acjohnson> @sebo28 @namcojoulder is this basically just a community blog?
[13:08] <sebo28> what
[13:08] <namcojoulder> @all a few days Zeki BİLDİRİCİ will add a few more extensions a few days
[13:08] <namcojoulder> @acjohnson like so.
[13:09] <kunguz> namcojoulder: wasn't imece a work of Koray Löker ?
[13:09] <richdb> @all: again a new page .. we already have to much pages .. we also need to minimaze the pages ..
[13:10] <richdb> @acjohnson: did you allready talk to the spanish and french community?
[13:10] <acjohnson> I agree with richdb, we need everything centralized...
[13:10] <namcojoulder> @kunguz Koray Löker leaved and zeki bildirici moved elgg content
[13:10] <acjohnson> @richdb no, I only speak english...
[13:10] <richdb> @acjohnson: lol .. but did they or you contact them?
[13:11] <acjohnson> @richdb, don't think so, what is their community website urls?
[13:11] <namcojoulder> @all imece.pardusworld for who doesnt want to use facebook.
[13:12] <kunguz> namcojoulder: well, I believe we also need a way to regain the tired developers; they have been hit really hard. I would be very angry if I were in their shoes...
[13:12] <acjohnson> @all ... but we really should direct EVERYONE to one location. I vote for building a community portal on pardus-linux.ru
[13:12] <acjohnson> @all just because pardus-linux.ru has the best start so far...
[13:12] <richdb> @acjohnson: french is here http://www.pardus-fr.org/
[13:13] <namcojoulder> @acjohnson it is fine for startup but .ru domain may cause some users angry in Turkey
[13:13] <tribunal> angry? why?
[13:13] <sebo28> buda franzızmı
[13:13] <richdb> @acjohnson: spain is here http://parduslife.com/
[13:13] <sebo28> ispanyol
[13:14] <tribunal> namcojoulder: what's wrong in .ru domain? we can use .com, .net and org domains. if it is really needed
[13:15] <acjohnson> @bancohoulder exactly, the .ru name needs to change to .com .org or .net correct?
[13:15] <kunguz> @all did you also notice that the owner of the fork in github is Fatih Arslan. It changed 10 hours ago. So there is something they are planning but don't know what yet...
[13:15] <richdb> @acjohnson: swedish is here: http://pardus.nu/
[13:15] <sebo28> http://sebo28.net.tc/
[13:15] <acjohnson> @kunguz did not notice the change in owner...
[13:15] <richdb> @all .. and who is Fatih Arslan? and who was the owner first?
[13:16] <acjohnson> @richdb before Fatih it was this guy: https://github.com/gokceneraslan
[13:17] <namcojoulder> @tribunal Pardus First Announced "National" project and if forks community domain will be .ru some nationalist users may be angry but it will be ok i think if we say its international fork etc.
[13:18] <kunguz> richdb: Fatih is an official Pardus developer and he is still working in TÜBİTAK
[13:18] <acjohnson> @all but why is .ru better than .com .org???
[13:18] <kunguz> richdb: I don't know who was the previous owner
[13:18] <acjohnson> @kunguz interesting...
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[13:19] <tribunal> @all com, org - doesn't matter, we can use any domain
[13:19] <richdb> @kunguz: does not anybody here just have daily contact with an official developer?
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[13:20] <acjohnson> @richdb good question
[13:20] <kunguz> richdb: from time to time I was talking with Fatih Arslan via email. Because he was my mentor since I am a juniour developer.
[13:20] <acjohnson> @richdb As of yesterday I am actually friends with Ozan Caglayan on FB...
[13:21] <richdb> @kunguz: an junior developer is?  you also work at TUBITAK?
[13:21] <kunguz> richdb: Tried to reach him again, but he did not respond me last time..
[13:21] <kunguz> richdb: no I am just a contributor with a playground access in pardus repo
[13:21] <acjohnson> @kunguz, so perhaps you should contact Fatih again, and I can work on contacting Ozan Caglayan?
[13:21] <kunguz> richdb: acjohnson http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/info/playground/packager/Kaan%20Ak%C5%9Fit.html
[13:22] <kunguz> acjohnson: I believe he needs some more time, that was last respond I got from him.
[13:22] <richdb> @all .. yes i also got some new friends, and also on twitter .. oh you are Kaan (kunguz)?
[13:22] <kunguz> richdb: and for Fatih, I believe he won't answer me but will try it
[13:22] <kunguz> richdb: yes, I am [13:22] <acjohnson> @all I will try Ozan again
[13:23] <richdb> @kunguz: ok .. got the match .. but why he not answer you?
[13:23] <richdb> @kunguz: sounds strange for me ..
[13:23] <namcojoulder> @all i think they cannot
[13:23] <kunguz> richdb: I believe there is a rule in their contract that they can not give official information when they are working with the institute.
[13:24] <kunguz> richdb: all official announcement are made through email lists
[13:24] <richdb> @all rules are made to be broken [13:24] <kunguz> richdb: but I will try my chance again
[13:24] <kunguz> richdb: well said [13:24] <namcojoulder> @richdb they can get in jail [13:25] <kunguz> so guys I have to leave and try to pack kde-games for maidis
[13:25] <richdb> @all: jail? really?
[13:25] <kunguz> richdb: namcojoulder don't think so
[13:25] <kunguz> richdb: namcojoulder it is not something we ask of strategic military information from them, it is only an information on a open source project
[13:26] <namcojoulder> @richdb may be... i dont now contract kunguz: para cezası yok mudur? konuşurlarsa?
[13:26] <kunguz> richdb:  but case is ofcourse different for other projects of TÜBİTAK
[13:26] <richdb> @all: see it this way .. Pardus is GPL .. so everybody can communicate about it in free-time .. so not the official lines
[13:26] <tribunal> namcojoulder: lost their job, but don't jail - they are not working in CIA.
[13:26] <anglo> in the US , there is some open source that falls under the export rules
[13:27] <kunguz> namcojoulder: bilemem iş antlaşmaları nasıl hiç bir fikrim yok
[13:27] <namcojoulder> @tribunal corporate is for some military thing.
[13:27] <acjohnson> Here is the message I am sending to Ozan: Ozan Caglayan- We are on #pardus again talking about a fork. We have noticed unexpected activity on github.com/pardus-linux. We see that Fatih Arslan has been making commits as well. We really need a response from one of the Pardus Developers who is working on github right now. Other wise we are just wasting our time if you have a plan that we are unaware of...
[13:27] <namcojoulder> corporate version
[13:27] <kunguz> acjohnson: well.. it is always good to try it... send it anyway...
[13:28] <richdb> @acjohnson: good .. and wait now ..
[13:28] <namcojoulder> @all by the way there is no pardus 2009 repository at Tubitak servers
[13:28] <acjohnson> @all Yes, because we really need to get the good old boys on board...
[13:28] <tribunal> namcojoulder: I work in a large corporation with closed-sorces components and I can talk all about it. But this is my corpotation.
[13:28] <richdb> @all .. if we just got a little inside information .. make things so much easier ..
[13:29] <acjohnson> @namcojoulder no it's still there: http://packages.pardus.org.tr/info/2009/devel/ they just removed the link
[13:30] <namcojoulder> @tribunal Pardus project started under an government project. Corporate edition 1.0 is about military. Thats why they cannot talk i think.
[13:30] <namcojoulder> @acjohnson oh sorry  i didnt know that.
[13:30] <richdb> @kunguz: see you .. and btw kunguz is twitter use a lot in Turkey?
[13:30] <kunguz> richdb: sure, each developer have a twitter account
[13:31] <kunguz> richdb: and people also use it alot
[13:31] <richdb> ok .. i think we need to twitter a pardus message every day .. and hope that everyone on your list retweet it ..
[13:31] <richdb> @all: so we get lot of attention .. allways good [13:31] --> TuxHunter has joined this channel (~ClsSource@94.54.35.9).
[13:31] <kunguz> richdb: it is already beeing done but in Turkish
[13:32] <kunguz> richdb: follow @pardus and just type pardus in seachbox of twitter you will find big number of Pardus user, contributor, ...
[13:32] <richdb> ok .. i did two one hour ago .. and you are following me .. so maybe you can retweet that .. or make it better and retweet
[13:33] <acjohnson> @richdb +1
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[13:34] <acjohnson> hello again papa
[13:34] <papa> hello - i just want to listen  [13:35] <-- anglo has left this server (Quit: Leaving).
[13:37] <acjohnson> papa- did you fill out our web form? are you interested in participating in a fork or community continuation of Pardus 2011?
[13:39] <richdb> @acjohnson: already 24 persons or so on the list? Good start .. and enough to begin with a 'fork' if there will be a fork .. only now we need some real developers.
[13:41] <acjohnson> pretty much, but that doesn't mean we can't get an official community portal and binary repo online while we wait for developers...
[13:41] <acjohnson> I need security updates asap...
[13:41] <acjohnson> it has been way to long without real updates
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[13:41] <krab> here is the author of this repository http://code.google.com/p/kde-48-pisi/ ?
[13:41] <turgay> maidis
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[13:42] <papa> @acjohnson - no I didnt fill out the form. As long we have no ex core developers imho a fork has no chance - sorry for beeing pessemistic.
[13:43] <krab> turgay: maidis? okay
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[13:43] <acjohnson> @papa the more support we show the community the better chance we have for ex core devs to appear.
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[13:44] <acjohnson> @papa there is activity on github.com/pardus-linux and that is an unofficial fork. guess who is making commits... Core DEVs.
[13:44] <richdb> @papa: that is why we now try to find people who have daily contact with the official Pardus developers ..
[13:44] <richdb> @papa: who is papa? Just to place you [13:45] <sebo28> kde8 pisilendimi
[13:45] <turgay> kde 8 ?
[13:45] <sebo28> k4,8
[13:45] <sebo28> kde
[13:45] <turgay> http://kde-48-pisi.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/kde-4.8/
[13:46] <papa> sw
[13:46] <turgay> inşa dosylkarı burda ama tammlanmış değil
[13:46] <richdb> @papa: ok .. good to see you here!!!!!
[13:47] <papa> Don t count on me - i was dissapointed too often the last years. I just want to listen here.
[13:48] <acjohnson> @papa you are sw, you may be discouraged but really a fork is what you are wanting for Pardus as well. That way TUBITAK can't jack you around any more [13:50] <richdb> @papa: why are you so pessemistic and dissapointed? But see it this way .. Pardus is now developed by a government .. that is one way good but also bad .. and the bad way is probely the communication (they not do most of the time) .. but see how we now all work? Pardus is alive .. people all around the world love it and want to continue it .. is that not a better base then some account manager at a government that has no idea what his
[13:50] <richdb> people are doing the whole day?
[13:50] <papa> Hehehe - good try. At the moment I have no energy to follow this fork way. It wil be a looong hard way with huge stones/rocks and with open end. Im simply burned out
[13:51] <richdb> @papa: come back then if you energy is back .. just follow us and see if this way is going well ..
[13:52] <papa> I cross my fingers for You and I wish You the best - thanks for Your kind words
[13:52] <richdb> @papa: but we need orignal developers .. that is for sure .. but i think (i feel) we get some of them.
[13:53] <acjohnson> @papa you are hear now following it but you don't want to be? :-C
[13:53] <tribunal> papa: you are here [13:54] <papa> At the moment I know only one who is willing to help and he was talking about that he must decrease his effort in future
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[13:55] <acjohnson> @papa is that Ozan?
[13:55] <tribunal> papa: no problem, I have found a python-developer and I can find more. If you are talking about devs
[13:56] <tribunal> papa: but original devs are much better, of course.
[13:56] <sebo28> slarikan:  yakında bizi burdan kovalarlar
[13:56] <richdb> @tribuna: how you find them?
[13:56] <Eren> oh well, hi
[13:56] <Eren> kunguz: github?
[13:57] <tribunal> richdb: he is one of translators of Pardus to russian.
[13:57] <Eren> let me read the conversation [13:57] <sebo28> eren bey siz konuşurmuydunuz hemde ingilazca
[13:57] <tribunal> He works with me, I am a developer too.
[13:57] <kunguz> Eren: we were talking about the pardus-linux project on githun
[13:57] <papa> yea - ozan
[13:58] <kunguz> Eren: I saw that you are one of the members, so I believe you have a clearer idea on what is it going to be?
[13:58] <richdb> @all: is there anybody that knows sponsors?
[13:59] <richdb> @all: how many original developers do we need .. of course the more the better .. but to start with?
[14:00] <tribunal> richdb: only to servers. web-sites and so on. but not for devs - all of them are volunteers (3 right now)
[14:00] <Eren> well, actually Ozan synced svn with github so that it would be easier to work on packages
[14:01] <richdb> @all: if we got some good sponsors .. then we can hire devs .. is that also not the way for example linuxmint works?
[14:01] <Eren> I don't think there is an active development there
[14:01] <Eren> the reason Ozan synced would be the fact that there would be a Pardus fork out of TUBITAK
[14:01] <acjohnson> @Eren there is fresh commits to github 10 hours ago...
[14:02] <acjohnson> 11 hours ago
[14:02] <Eren> acjohnson: correct me if I'm wrong, then. I haven't seen the commit pages [14:02] <Eren> I guess they haven't set up a commit hook that informs a change via email
[14:02] <Eren> so I may have wrongly thought that there isn't an active development
[14:03] <acjohnson> https://github.com/Pardus-Linux/Packages
[14:03] <sebo28> what
[14:03] <acjohnson>  farslan authored about 11 hours ago
[14:03] <Eren> yeah
[14:03] <sebo28> geliştiriçilerden destek varmı yahu
[14:03] <Eren> https://github.com/Pardus-Linux/Packages/commits/master
[14:04] <Eren> sebo28: github deposunu açan Ozan zaten
[14:04] <acjohnson> @Eren where do you get your information about Ozan wanting a fork? Has he told you this directly?
[14:04] <sebo28> ozan bey varsa bu işin içinde işlem tamam dır demek
[14:05] <namcojoulder> sebo28: cevap vermiyor ama maillere [14:05] <sebo28> neden
[14:05] <richdb> @all: so there are now 2 devs that post at github?
[14:05] <richdb> @all: or three? who is makdere?
[14:06] <acjohnson> @actually more than that: https://github.com/Pardus-Linux/pisi/commits/master
[14:06] <acjohnson> fatih-asici authored December 21, 2011
[14:06] <namcojoulder> bilmiyoruz [14:07] <Eren> acjohnson: I don't, however as you can guess, he made possible to fork Pardus by syncing svn with git
[14:07] <sebo28> fatihde varmı
[14:07] <acjohnson> @Eren, so why will none of the devs communicate with us? We want to work towards a fork as well? is it polical?
[14:07] <krab> kernel 3.2.1 why?
[14:07] <acjohnson> @Eren *political
[14:08] <acjohnson> @krab, not sure, does it matter?
[14:08] <richdb> @all: but today they sync chromium-browser .. so what about the end-of-life [14:08] <Eren> acjohnson: well, no, I mean, there is no *active* development for a Pardus fork
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[14:08] <sebo28> eren sende varmısın
[14:08] <Eren> acjohnson: I just said that Ozan just made it easy for forking, by syncing svn with github
[14:08] <Eren> acjohnson: so that anyone can just click a fork button and start working
[14:09] <Eren> acjohnson: I guess I'm clear? [14:09] <acjohnson> @Eren okay, but they are making commits so I guess they are leaving the rest to us???
[14:09] <Eren> acjohnson: no, they are not making commits
[14:09] <richdb> @Eren: huh?
[14:09] <Eren> acjohnson: if you look at commits, Fatih just committed 1 change
[14:09] <Eren> acjohnson: on github page
[14:09] <krab> firefox 9.0 why?
[14:10] <acjohnson> @Eren small amount of commits, yes but there are commits...
[14:10] <Eren> acjohnson: nobody wants to leave community
[14:10] <acjohnson> @krab are you okay?
[14:10] <Eren> please don't be pessimistic about the attitude
[14:11] <richdb> @all: good point acjohnson .. why commit on this you not gonna use [14:11] <Eren> acjohnson: you can consider these small amount of commits as some kind of experiment as Pardus developers were not actively using git
[14:11] <Eren> so, to summerize, nobody wants to leave the community
[14:11] <richdb> @Eren: Do you know Ozn and Farslan (probely not his real name) in real life?
[14:12] <Eren> yep
[14:12] <Eren> Farslan = Fatih Arslan, btw
[14:13] <namcojoulder> @Eren destek verebilecek eski geliştiricilere ulaşabilirmisiniz? Zira bize yanıt vermiyorlar.
[14:13] <richdb> @Eren: ok thx .. and is it possible that they can come over here in IRC one day? So we can communicate all together? There ideas, or ideas?
[14:13] <Eren> richdb: of course, I would inform the people who would want to join
[14:13] <Eren> richdb: in which state you are in, btw?
[14:14] <Eren> I mean, I cannot follow the non-Turkish community
[14:14] <Eren> namcojoulder: neler düşünülüyor şimdi peki?
[14:14] <Eren> namcojoulder: yapılanlar, planlananlar? @kunguz
[14:14] <acjohnson> @Eren what do you mean you can't follow non-Turkish?
[14:14] <namcojoulder> @Eren çatal konusunda yabancılar istekli baya.
[14:14] <richdb> @Eren Which state?
[14:14] <namcojoulder> @Eren Bizimkiler pek birşey yapamıyor
[14:15] <namcojoulder> @Eren ortak topluluk için uğraşıyoruz.
[14:15] <Eren> acjohnson: I mean, I haven't followed the community outside of Turkey
[14:15] <namcojoulder> @Eren ama çok fazla site oluşöuş durumda sanırım PLO'nun derleme çiftliği olayı Pardus-User.de'yi küstürdü
[14:15] <acjohnson> @Eren, okay gotcha, well I am in the USA
[14:15] <Eren> so, I don't know what your plans are, or how many
[14:15] <kunguz> Eren: you know maidis is packing kde 4.8 already, I believe there is now enough package for a new Pardus release with the existing packages from devel (Newest kernel and newest KDE also)
[14:16] <Eren> namcojoulder: neden küstürdü yahu? şimdiden ayrışmalar mı başlıyor [14:16] <namcojoulder> @Eren Anıl Özbek KDE 4.8'i paketlemeye çalışıyor. birde o var
[14:16] <kunguz> Eren: I do not know if there will be a fork but it would be nice to have one ...
[14:16] <richdb> @Eren: I am from the Netherlands .. and the world forum community does have some ideas (plans is a big word), but one thing we all got in commen, we love Pardus Linux
[14:17] <kunguz> Eren: Oyun alanımdaki paketlerim bile güncel, CAD yazılımımız bile var [14:17] <kunguz> richdb: Hoe goet het?
[14:17] <richdb> @Eren: and that is why we want to talk (here on IRC) with some of the original devs from the Pardus project ..
[14:17] <namcojoulder> @Eren Derleme çiftliği çalışması var şu an PLO'nun. PU'da depo var. Rakibi değiliz ama sanırım küstüler Gürkan Zenginle görüştük ama biraz temkinliler.
[14:17] <kunguz> richdb:  I knew the basics  but now back to Pardus [14:17] <richdb> @kunguz: Het gaat goed, dank je .. en met jou?
[14:18] <namcojoulder> @Eren daha sonra yanıt alamamaya başladık ama geri dönmedi en azından bana
[14:18] <namcojoulder> @Eren küstürdüğümüz fikri sadece benim fikrim kesin bir şey yok [14:18] <richdb> @Eren: and if you can arrange a meeting here on IRC with Ozan and Fatih and maybe more .. that should be great ..
[14:19] <acjohnson> @richdb +1
[14:19] <Eren> Ozan has resigned  from the project officially
[14:19] <Eren> as far as I know, he is busy with master's at the university
[14:20] <richdb> @Eren: yes we all read that (was a real great story) .. but maybe he have some ideas, or can help us on the way .. just ideas we all have right now.
[14:21] <Eren> richdb: acjohnson can I get your email addresses (in priv.) so that I can let you know if they're ok or not?
[14:22] <richdb> @Eren: sure .. no problem ..
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[14:23] <Eren> richdb: acjohnson thanks, saved
[14:23] <richdb> @acjohnson: are you taking the lead in this?
[14:23] <acjohnson> @richdb if everyone will let me/want me to... Glady
[14:24] <acjohnson> @all I just want to see progress as a community. and I really need security updates.
[14:24] <richdb> @acjohnson: is ok with me .. @acjohnson +1
[14:26] <richdb> @all: but let we first get the chat here with Ozan and Fatih and more devs (or former devs) and based on that chat we got all the ideas, plans, etc ..
[14:26] <acjohnson> @all who here from the Turkish community can communicate with Hamit Giray Nart or Nihad Karsly and let then know that they should be syncing their SVN with github.com/pardus-linux?
[14:26] <acjohnson> I think this extra SVN is getting in the way of progress...
[14:28] <anglo> http://imece.pardusworld.com/
[14:30] <anglo> was posted on world forum by dedebekri
[14:31] <richdb> @all I need to go now .. we keep in touch by forum, twitter, irc ... and Eren thank you allready for try to make contact .. and for the rest, see you soon .. and #pardusrocks [14:31] <acjohnson> @Eren still there?
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[14:33] <acjohnson> @see you richdb, that you for the support [14:34] <-- richdb has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).
[14:36] <acjohnson> @Kunguz still there?
[14:36] <kunguz> acjohnson: yes
[14:36] <acjohnson> @kunguz I think that this extra SVN is confusing and is unessesary since Ozan forked to github for us...
[14:38] <kunguz> acjohnson: git is ok for me.
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[14:39] <sebo28> eeeeeee sonuç
[14:39] <sebo28> ay don no
[14:39] <turgay> kunguz:  PLO  hesapları verildi mi?
[14:39] <acjohnson> I agree, but why are these other guys waisting their time with another repo? Maybe I'm missing something...
[14:40] <kunguz> turgay: evet
[14:40] <kunguz> acjohnson: you meant the P2011? it was there before all these things
[14:40] <turgay> kde paketlemeye başladın galiba kunguz  [14:40] <acjohnson> kunguz: oh, I didn't know that...
[14:40] <kunguz> turgay: ufak bir paketle maidis'e yardımcı olmaya çalışacağım
[14:41] <acjohnson> kunguz: They have acted like they plan to sync with Pardus svn though...
[14:41] <kunguz> acjohnson: it is just an additional repo for packages that can not be found under Pardus official repo
[14:42] <kunguz> acjohnson: at the moment svn is not synced, first they need the infrastructure to do so. I believe when LKD will lend them some hardware they will start from there
[14:42] <acjohnson> kunguz: so they are just waiting as well...
[14:42] <acjohnson> kunguz: then I will give them my opionion that they should just sync their build farm with github instead of pardus svn.
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[14:44] <kunguz> acjohnson: best is to discuss Hamit for such things, because he is the owner of the existing SVN
[14:44] <acjohnson> kunguz: It makes sense to me that we should have one place for all upsteam commits (github for now) instead of syncing with a dead svn repo (pardus)
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[14:44] <acjohnson> kunguz: yeah, i'll tell Hamit.
[14:45] <kunguz> acjohnson: I have been updateting my playground, it is easy for me to move to another place once everything is clearer
[14:46] <acjohnson> kunguz: exactly, too much confusion currentl
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