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- LEWIS PULLER:
- Whenever this war is over,
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- the victory will have been won
- by you,
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- with the uniform you wear,
- the chevrons on your sleeves,
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- and the instincts in your gut,
- and the blood on your boots.
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- We will sail
- across God's vast ocean,
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- where we will meet our enemy
- and make the difference
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- between freedom of the world
- and its enslavement.
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- JOSEPH LIEBGOTT: You fought
- bravely for your country.
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- You found in one another a bond
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- that exists only in combat.
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- Every man that's wounded,
- every man I lose,
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- I have to believe
- that it's all worthwhile
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- because our cause is just.
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- ( music playing )
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- ( no audible dialogue )
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- ( no audible dialogue )
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- ( airplane roaring )
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- ( film projector running )
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- ( roar of airplanes
- approaching )
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- Man:
- Well, I don't know.
- The odds were all against you.
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- It was more or less
- like being in death row
- in a penitentiary,
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- waiting on your turn,
- and you knew it was coming.
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- Man 2:
- You fly a real tough mission,
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- and you're so glad to get back,
- and everybody says,
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- "Boy, we made it
- through that one, didn't we?"
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- And the next morning
- they'd come in,
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- put the flashlight
- in your face--
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- "All right, boys, get up.
- You're gonna be leavin'.
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- We're gonna be flyin'
- in two hours."
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- Now, that's...
- that's tough.
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- Man 3:
- I was 21 years old, yeah,
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- and we felt like
- we could live forever.
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- Don't get me wrong.
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- We'd still get
- that tight feeling...
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- ...when we would would see
- bursting flak nearby,
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- when we'd see fighters--
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- we still got that feeling,
- but...
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- ( anti-aircraft shells
- exploding )
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- ...you can't make a living
- that way.
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- All you could do
- is make a dying.
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- ( explosions continue )
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- Man 4:
- Anybody said
- they weren't afraid,
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- they were full of crap.
- ( laughs )
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- 'Cause you were always afraid
- what was gonna happen next,
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- particularly in flak,
- you're just waiting
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- for something to go off
- around you.
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- And that's when the fighters
- would come up.
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- ( aircraft approaching )
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- ( machine-gunfire )
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- ( firing )
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- ( firing )
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- Man:
- One of the men
- in our crew kept saying,
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- "I know I'm not gonna make it,"
- et cetera, et cetera.
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- And you don't like
- to hear that.
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- And he was very concerned
- because his wife
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- was expecting
- within a day or two.
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- And, uh, the next day,
- they had him flying,
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- which they shouldn't have had,
- and...
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- they took so many men
- from our crew to fly with him,
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- and they never made it back.
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- They crashed into the Channel.
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- And, incidentally--
- and this isn't storytelling--
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- but he, he, uh...
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- ( sighs )
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- ( voice breaking )
- ...he was killed
- the day his son was born.
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- John Ketzner:
- The war came,
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- and we went and did
- what they told us to do.
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- That's the only thing I know.
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- The Japanese ruined my youth,
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- because I was 20 years old
- or 19 years old
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- and everything was wonderful,
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- and the Japanese,
- in one fell swoop,
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- ended all that.
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- And it lasted four years.
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- Al Villagran:
- Well, I can see why they get
- young fellas to fly to war,
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- or ground or submarines
- and so forth.
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- When you're younger,
- you feel you can do anything.
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- I think when you get older,
- you get smarter. ( chuckles )
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- VG Alexander:
- There was a 19-year-old
- navigator,
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- Jewish kid, sharp as a tack.
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- And I had some older boys,
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- my bombardier was 26 years old.
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- I was 22, 23.
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- William Toombs:
- Oldest man we had in our crew
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- was a Pennsylvania Dutchman,
- 32 years old.
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- We called him "Pappy."
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- Thirty-two years old!
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- Our navigator was 26,
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- and everybody else
- was anywhere from 22, 23.
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- I can look back now
- and see why...
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- young people are in a war--
- not older people.
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- Old people got better sense.
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- Paul Haedike:
- Sometimes they say that
- the older you get,
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- the more wiser you get.
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- There weren't too many,
- I don't think,
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- too much younger than me.
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- I flew every one
- of my missions at 19.
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- The old man on our crew
- was our waist gunner.
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- He was 25.
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- John Doyle:
- I'll tell ya, when we got into
- this thing, you wanted to fly.
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- You know, you had a great time
- training and all that.
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- But when you get over there,
- and you got shot at
- the first time,
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- you knew you were
- in deep doo-doo.
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- ( chuckles ) And you really
- took life seriously after that.
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- Robert Rowland:
- They said we was gonna fly
- 30 missions.
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- They started out at 25,
- and then they changed it to 30
- when we got there.
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- Then we got 26 missions in,
- and they give us a week off,
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- then we come back
- and they says,
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- "You're gonna fly 35."
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- And that was kind of a shock.
- ( chuckles )
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- Glenn Harrison:
- It seemed like I was flying
- all the time.
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- There were 40 bomb groups,
- and our bomb group
- had a lot of people.
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- I don't know the logistics
- of keepin' the fuel
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- and the ammunition,
- loading the bombs at night,
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- getting 'em ready
- for the next day.
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- I don't know how they did it.
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- Morton Kimmel:
- When you're in a position
- like that,
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- there's no tomorrow.
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- You do everything that you
- want to do, that you can do,
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- when you feel like doing it,
- and do it then,
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- 00:13:20,375 --> 00:13:23,875
- because you may not get
- the chance to do it again.
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- Ketzner:
- Wouldn't be unusual,
- they'd wake you up,
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- the first thing you'd do
- would be
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- go to the mess hall to eat.
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- The mess hall was all lit up
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- and everybody was laughing
- and talking,
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- and usually,
- they had Berlin Lynn,
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- or whatever her name was,
- on the radio, broadcasting.
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- We hadn't been briefed yet,
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- we didn't know where
- we was gonna go,
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- but this lady in Berlin
- knew where we were gonna go.
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- And she says, "Boys,
- you've got a tough one today.
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- You're going to
- so-and-so and so-and-so,
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- 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:07,125
- and we'll be waitin' on ya."
- And so... ( laughs )
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- that they knew more
- than we did.
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- Villagran:
- Now, in the Air Force,
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- when we went to the kitchen
- for breakfast,
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- and we were getting, say, eggs,
- we'd get powdered eggs.
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- That's what they had.
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- Once in a while,
- we would get fresh eggs.
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- You could get two over easy,
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- and this was a treat.
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- But we knew after a while
- that when you got fresh eggs,
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- it meant you were gonna have
- a real tough mission,
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- so they gave you fresh eggs.
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- 00:15:47,542 --> 00:15:50,250
- ( laughing )
- That's the story.
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- We don't want fresh eggs,
- but we want fresh eggs.
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- 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,709
- ( no audible dialogue )
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- Doyle:
- When you go in to get ready
- for a flight,
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- you'd go into the locker room,
- and you wore long johns,
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- 00:16:09,458 --> 00:16:14,083
- and then you'd wear
- the heated suit, put that on.
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- And we had gloves
- that were attached to those.
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- You had to get your gloves
- into those.
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- 00:16:19,166 --> 00:16:21,583
- They came clear around
- your ankles, too.
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- And then you had
- your flight suits.
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- Those were the things
- that you just wore.
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- Ketzner:
- Then you'd load back on a truck
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- and they'd take you to the area
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- where the debriefing rooms
- were,
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- so all the crews
- and everything
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- would be sitting there,
- waiting,
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- and they had a sheet
- over the wall.
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- They'd pull the sheet back
- and say,
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- "Our target today is Germany.
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- The weather looks pretty good
- as near as we can tell."
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- Ketzner:
- One thing always got me
- about these briefings.
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- The Catholic chaplain,
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- he was back in the corner
- hearing confessions...
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- 00:17:19,291 --> 00:17:21,625
- ...and giving out communions.
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- 00:17:21,709 --> 00:17:25,000
- ( laughing )
- So you knew that you
- was goin' someplace
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- 00:17:25,083 --> 00:17:27,000
- that you might not
- come back from.
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- 00:17:32,917 --> 00:17:36,291
- ( no audible dialogue )
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- 00:17:50,125 --> 00:17:52,834
- ( plane engines
- starting )
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- 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:20,208
- ( engines roaring )
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- Ketzner:
- That was one of the most
- amazing things of the war,
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- the choreographing of
- putting 1100 airplanes
- together in formation at war.
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- Toombs:
- We'd all line up
- on the perimeter strip
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- that come around to
- the end of the runway.
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- 00:18:59,875 --> 00:19:04,291
- And the lead ship
- would taxi around and line up,
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- 00:19:04,375 --> 00:19:07,291
- and when they fired the flare
- to take off,
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- that lead ship
- went down the runway.
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- 00:19:14,208 --> 00:19:17,041
- Next man pulled right up
- behind him.
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- 00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:19,709
- Thirty seconds, he moved.
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- 00:19:23,417 --> 00:19:25,875
- Thirty seconds,
- the third man moved.
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- 00:19:25,959 --> 00:19:29,417
- Every 30 seconds a plane
- was goin' down that runway.
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- 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:32,667
- That lead plane
- never got off the ground
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- 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:35,625
- before that second plane
- was already running.
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- Harrison:
- Well, we'd just spin out there
- on the end of the runway
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- and give it full throttle,
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- and you had to have
- enough speed for it
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- to lift all that load up.
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- 00:20:03,291 --> 00:20:05,667
- You had a full gas load,
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- 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:09,417
- you had all your ammunition
- for the guns,
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- and you had the bombload.
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- Villagran:
- 'Course, while you're up there,
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- I could see the sun comin' up
- around the Earth,
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- 00:21:28,834 --> 00:21:31,250
- and I thought that
- was the most weird thing,
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- 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:36,125
- to see the sun comin' up
- and it's dark on Earth,
- you're knowing.
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- 00:21:36,208 --> 00:21:38,667
- But you realized what was
- happening to you,
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- 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:41,125
- and the next thing you know,
- why, the sun come up,
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- and you see all these airplanes
- circling,
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- straining, so to speak,
- to get up to the altitude
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- with a heavy load of bombs.
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- 00:22:05,041 --> 00:22:07,917
- Rowland:
- You had to form up,
- and you had a circle
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- you were supposed to fly
- till you got formed up
- with your group.
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- 00:22:12,125 --> 00:22:15,875
- And then there'd be
- another bomb group over here.
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- 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:20,709
- And one day we come within
- three or four inches...
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- 00:22:20,792 --> 00:22:25,125
- ( laughs ) ...of flakin' up
- another bomb group.
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- 00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:35,667
- Alexander:
- Well, on some of 'em,
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- when the young pilots'd come in
- as replacements,
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- if I was first man to take off,
- we'd be up in the air,
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- say, two or three hundred feet,
- climbing,
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- all of a sudden, boom!
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- Doyle:
- You'd see a bright flash,
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- 00:22:51,959 --> 00:22:54,875
- a red flash,
- and stuff coming down,
- 216
- 00:22:54,959 --> 00:22:57,917
- you knew darn well
- it was a midair collision.
- 217
- 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,291
- And those were scary times,
- as far as getting up.
- 218
- 00:23:05,959 --> 00:23:11,875
- Haedike:
- Two B-17s, one came down
- right on top of the other.
- 219
- 00:23:11,959 --> 00:23:13,750
- They all went to their death.
- 220
- 00:23:16,041 --> 00:23:19,333
- That's when I started smokin',
- by the way. ( laughs )
- 221
- 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,291
- ( no audible dialogue )
- 222
- 00:24:05,417 --> 00:24:08,125
- Kimmel:
- Well, actually,
- I believe that our officers
- 223
- 00:24:08,208 --> 00:24:10,250
- were closer to the crew
- 224
- 00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:12,375
- than they were
- with other officers.
- 225
- 00:24:16,458 --> 00:24:19,834
- As a crew, most crews
- stuck pretty well together.
- 226
- 00:24:19,917 --> 00:24:21,375
- We did a lot together.
- 227
- 00:24:22,625 --> 00:24:25,750
- ( no audible dialogue )
- 228
- 00:24:25,834 --> 00:24:29,083
- I don't think
- we would have appreciated
- 229
- 00:24:29,166 --> 00:24:31,458
- one new man joining us.
- 230
- 00:24:31,542 --> 00:24:34,709
- We knew what each man
- was capable of doing.
- 231
- 00:24:34,792 --> 00:24:38,875
- Each man did his job good,
- and no one complained.
- 232
- 00:24:42,792 --> 00:24:47,583
- Haedike:
- We were family in the air--
- you absolutely had to be.
- 233
- 00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:49,417
- We all had our duties.
- 234
- 00:24:51,625 --> 00:24:54,041
- Villagran:
- We just wanted
- to stay together.
- 235
- 00:24:54,125 --> 00:24:59,000
- And we flew 25 missions
- as a crew, all of us together.
- 236
- 00:25:05,875 --> 00:25:07,667
- Haedike:
- You're a family...
- 237
- 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:09,709
- exactly--
- you have to be.
- 238
- 00:25:09,792 --> 00:25:12,166
- However,
- I can remember one mission
- 239
- 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:15,417
- when our flight engineer
- came out smashed.
- 240
- 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:17,792
- And I climbed all over him.
- 241
- 00:25:17,875 --> 00:25:20,083
- I said,
- "What is wrong with you?"
- 242
- 00:25:20,166 --> 00:25:22,208
- We depended on one another.
- 243
- 00:25:23,375 --> 00:25:25,834
- ( no audible dialogue )
- 244
- 00:25:25,917 --> 00:25:28,000
- Kimmel:
- There was a lot
- of spit and polish
- 245
- 00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,834
- with the officers,
- and that didn't happen.
- 246
- 00:25:31,917 --> 00:25:35,125
- Like you say,
- we're a family of brothers...
- 247
- 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,208
- ...and we didn't have time
- for all that stuff.
- 248
- 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:45,417
- But there was no saluting
- and...
- 249
- 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:48,458
- and "Yes sir, no sir"
- and all that.
- 250
- 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:52,625
- Each guy was his own guy.
- 251
- 00:25:54,834 --> 00:25:59,375
- Alexander:
- Well, of course,
- each man would do his job
- 252
- 00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:03,375
- and we all knew exactly
- who was gonna do what,
- 253
- 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:04,667
- so to speak.
- 254
- 00:26:07,208 --> 00:26:10,125
- So I knew I had a good crew.
- 255
- 00:26:11,792 --> 00:26:14,834
- And we just
- got along beautifully.
- 256
- 00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:57,750
- Toombs:
- We had a crew chief
- that took care of that plane
- 257
- 00:26:57,834 --> 00:27:00,333
- after we got it back
- off a mission.
- 258
- 00:27:00,417 --> 00:27:03,792
- So the three of us
- walked that plane,
- 259
- 00:27:03,875 --> 00:27:06,166
- looked at everything
- on the ground,
- 260
- 00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:08,667
- ask him all the questions
- we could think of.
- 261
- 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:10,917
- If there was any little thing
- 262
- 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,625
- that we thought we should
- pay particular attention to,
- 263
- 00:27:14,709 --> 00:27:16,667
- for him to tell us.
- 264
- 00:27:31,333 --> 00:27:34,083
- Haedike:
- You never flew
- the same plane all the time.
- 265
- 00:27:34,166 --> 00:27:37,291
- It's just like your car
- havin' an ouchie
- 266
- 00:27:37,375 --> 00:27:40,875
- and you take it in
- to Firestone or somewhere
- to get fixed.
- 267
- 00:27:40,959 --> 00:27:43,792
- They'd work overnight,
- all night long,
- 268
- 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:45,834
- trying to patch planes.
- 269
- 00:27:53,959 --> 00:27:55,625
- Doyle:
- As soon as you got in,
- 270
- 00:27:55,709 --> 00:27:58,208
- they would take care
- of any damage,
- 271
- 00:27:58,291 --> 00:28:01,417
- they would get in the plane
- and check the engines out,
- 272
- 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,375
- start 'em up and check 'em out.
- 273
- 00:28:03,458 --> 00:28:05,583
- And they would
- clean up everything.
- 274
- 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:13,917
- Kimmel:
- Tremendous workers.
- 275
- 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,625
- They were so good.
- 276
- 00:28:15,709 --> 00:28:18,709
- We came back in B-17s
- with two engines,
- 277
- 00:28:18,792 --> 00:28:22,750
- with the tail fin shot up
- and busted away...
- 278
- 00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:26,917
- ...with all kinds of holes
- in the plane,
- 279
- 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,667
- and in two days, that plane
- was flying missions again.
- 280
- 00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:49,083
- Toombs:
- We had armor on our crew.
- 281
- 00:28:49,166 --> 00:28:52,709
- And he'd be there when they--
- most cases, not all cases--
- 282
- 00:28:52,792 --> 00:28:56,834
- sometimes a plane'd be loaded
- before we ever got there.
- 283
- 00:29:03,291 --> 00:29:06,000
- Doyle:
- The armor gunners
- took care of all that.
- 284
- 00:29:06,083 --> 00:29:10,917
- They'd bring 'em out
- on big carriers, and...
- 285
- 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,458
- it was a dangerous job.
- 286
- 00:29:26,583 --> 00:29:30,542
- Haedike:
- We did not load the bombs, no,
- but we did come out and check.
- 287
- 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:39,291
- ( no audio )
- 288
- 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:55,542
- Doyle:
- They were all fused,
- 289
- 00:29:55,625 --> 00:29:59,750
- and they had fusing wires
- stuck to the propeller.
- 290
- 00:30:04,709 --> 00:30:08,458
- These fusing wires
- were hooked on the shackles
- 291
- 00:30:08,542 --> 00:30:10,792
- that the bombs are hung on,
- 292
- 00:30:10,875 --> 00:30:14,041
- and when they left the plane,
- they would pull the wire out.
- 293
- 00:30:17,709 --> 00:30:20,375
- Haedike:
- Now the bomb is alive.
- 294
- 00:30:22,041 --> 00:30:24,500
- If you've seen movies
- and you hear bombs...
- 295
- 00:30:24,583 --> 00:30:29,375
- ( whistles ) ...goin' down,
- that's this fuse spinning out.
- 296
- 00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:36,125
- Now the bomb is live,
- and once it hit,
- 297
- 00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:37,750
- of course,
- it detonates.
- 298
- 00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:45,083
- We had two missions
- where I had to go back
- in the bomb bay
- 299
- 00:30:45,166 --> 00:30:47,250
- and put the cotter pins
- back in.
- 300
- 00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:50,000
- And that is a little hairy.
- 301
- 00:30:50,083 --> 00:30:52,083
- Why? 'Cause when you landed,
- 302
- 00:30:52,166 --> 00:30:54,750
- if you didn't,
- the bombs were armed,
- 303
- 00:30:54,834 --> 00:30:57,750
- and if you had trouble,
- of course, you'd detonate.
- 304
- 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:31,041
- Villagran:
- Well, we talked about
- just about everything.
- 305
- 00:32:31,125 --> 00:32:35,709
- Our families, et cetera.
- It didn't matter what it was.
- 306
- 00:32:35,792 --> 00:32:39,542
- We kept pretty much of
- a running conversation
- between everybody.
- 307
- 00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:41,834
- It made the mission
- go a little easier.
- 308
- 00:32:50,041 --> 00:32:51,500
- Ketzner:
- First thing you did,
- 309
- 00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,834
- soon as we cleared
- the coast of England,
- 310
- 00:32:53,917 --> 00:32:56,291
- everybody would test
- their guns.
- 311
- 00:32:56,375 --> 00:32:59,208
- ( gun firing )
- 312
- 00:33:15,834 --> 00:33:19,542
- Toombs:
- Well, of course,
- I can only speak for myself,
- 313
- 00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:23,250
- but when you're in
- hostile territory,
- 314
- 00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:25,625
- and I was in a top turret,
- 315
- 00:33:25,709 --> 00:33:29,500
- so all of my vision was 360--
- 316
- 00:33:29,583 --> 00:33:31,709
- 90 degrees this way, ya know.
- 317
- 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,542
- Harrison:
- Contrails would form
- at the tail of the ship.
- 318
- 00:33:47,875 --> 00:33:51,375
- The moisture in the air
- and the ship flying through it
- 319
- 00:33:51,458 --> 00:33:53,750
- made the contrails.
- 320
- 00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:58,333
- And a lot times
- we wouldn't have 'em,
- 321
- 00:33:58,417 --> 00:34:02,291
- because it depended on
- the amount of moisture
- in the air.
- 322
- 00:34:42,208 --> 00:34:44,792
- Toombs:
- Couldn't see
- a prettier sight than that.
- 323
- 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,500
- Kind of spell-bound,
- ya know, spell-bound.
- 324
- 00:34:51,291 --> 00:34:53,041
- A beautiful sight.
- 325
- 00:34:58,083 --> 00:35:01,041
- Ketzner:
- If you're watching
- on the ground over in Germany,
- 326
- 00:35:01,125 --> 00:35:04,959
- they tell me,
- it took about 30 minutes
- for 'em all to come over.
- 327
- 00:35:07,792 --> 00:35:10,041
- Haedike:
- They said on a clear day
- 328
- 00:35:10,125 --> 00:35:13,917
- that the Germans could see us
- coming 50 miles out
- 329
- 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,291
- from the contrails.
- 330
- 00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,333
- And unfortunately,
- when that happened,
- 331
- 00:35:21,417 --> 00:35:24,875
- that wasn't too good,
- because they were ready for us.
- 332
- 00:36:12,917 --> 00:36:17,041
- Kimmel:
- In 1938, I was down in Chile,
- 333
- 00:36:17,125 --> 00:36:19,542
- and they threw a good will tour
- down there.
- 334
- 00:36:19,625 --> 00:36:21,959
- I remember going out
- with my father
- 335
- 00:36:22,041 --> 00:36:23,417
- and seeing these big planes.
- 336
- 00:36:27,583 --> 00:36:31,458
- And I said to my father,
- "Someday I'm gonna fly
- in one of those."
- 337
- 00:36:31,542 --> 00:36:34,875
- ( laughs )
- Little did I know.
- 338
- 00:36:44,083 --> 00:36:48,500
- Toombs:
- The B-17 was not only
- a beautiful ship,
- 339
- 00:36:48,583 --> 00:36:49,834
- but it flew like a dream,
- 340
- 00:36:49,917 --> 00:36:53,917
- it flew like
- an overgrown Piper Cub.
- 341
- 00:36:56,875 --> 00:36:59,417
- It flew nice and smooth.
- Beautiful.
- 342
- 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,917
- Took a lot of punishment.
- 343
- 00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:06,667
- Kimmel:
- The greatest airplane
- ever built,
- 344
- 00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:08,709
- as far as I'm concerned.
- 345
- 00:37:08,792 --> 00:37:11,166
- It brought us back 35 times.
- 346
- 00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:15,709
- Sometimes in condition
- that you would never even think
- 347
- 00:37:15,792 --> 00:37:17,750
- of trying to fly an airplane,
- 348
- 00:37:17,834 --> 00:37:20,166
- any other airplane,
- 349
- 00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:24,458
- that plane came back,
- and that plane brought us back.
- 350
- 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,792
- It was a marriage,
- I'll tell ya.
- 351
- 00:37:40,834 --> 00:37:44,709
- Haedike:
- A lot of guys, they'd name
- their own planes.
- 352
- 00:37:44,792 --> 00:37:47,000
- And they had
- all kinds of kooky names.
- 353
- 00:37:52,875 --> 00:37:55,000
- Kimmel:
- The original crews
- 354
- 00:37:55,083 --> 00:37:56,583
- had a lot of good painters
- 355
- 00:37:56,667 --> 00:38:00,250
- and they had a of planes
- that were decorated
- 356
- 00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:03,375
- and had logos on 'em
- and so on.
- 357
- 00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:16,959
- Haedike:
- Vargas girls, like Petty girl--
- Petty girls, Vargas girls,
- 358
- 00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,333
- sexy girls--
- 359
- 00:38:18,417 --> 00:38:20,709
- there weren't too many
- serious things.
- 360
- 00:38:20,792 --> 00:38:23,166
- I think to keep guys loose.
- 361
- 00:39:08,917 --> 00:39:10,625
- Villagran:
- Well... ( laughs )
- 362
- 00:39:10,709 --> 00:39:14,291
- ...on a warm day
- it would be 20 below.
- 363
- 00:39:14,375 --> 00:39:17,083
- But sometimes it got 60 below.
- 364
- 00:39:17,166 --> 00:39:20,458
- And oftentimes
- I had to take my oxygen mask
- 365
- 00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:22,542
- and crack the ice out of it
- 366
- 00:39:22,625 --> 00:39:26,375
- and check if it would
- freeze into the tube.
- 367
- 00:39:26,458 --> 00:39:28,500
- That was one of the worst parts
- of the mission,
- 368
- 00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,792
- was the cold air.
- 369
- 00:39:30,875 --> 00:39:32,417
- The only time
- you didn't feel it
- 370
- 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,500
- is when you were
- fightin' fighters
- 371
- 00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:37,709
- or goin' over the target.
- 372
- 00:39:42,208 --> 00:39:45,542
- Toombs:
- Oh, at 30,000 feet the--
- 373
- 00:39:45,625 --> 00:39:50,166
- I think the temperature drops
- two degrees every thousand.
- 374
- 00:39:52,208 --> 00:39:56,458
- It'd be about 40 below
- at that altitude.
- 375
- 00:39:56,542 --> 00:40:02,375
- In the cockpit,
- a little bit of heat came off
- the number three engine,
- 376
- 00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:08,208
- it came into the cockpit
- where the pilot and I sat.
- 377
- 00:40:08,291 --> 00:40:11,875
- And there's enough
- to kind of keep your feet warm
- 378
- 00:40:11,959 --> 00:40:13,959
- and your hands.
- 379
- 00:40:15,458 --> 00:40:17,625
- ( wind whistling )
- 380
- 00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,709
- Toombs:
- Our ball turret gunner
- had a gun problem,
- 381
- 00:40:24,792 --> 00:40:28,792
- his gun jammed,
- and he took his gloves off
- to work on it,
- 382
- 00:40:28,875 --> 00:40:31,250
- and both his hands
- got frostbitten
- 383
- 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:34,709
- and he didn't fly with us
- for a month until
- his hands healed up.
- 384
- 00:40:41,875 --> 00:40:45,583
- Kimmel:
- Well, it was so cold
- on one mission
- 385
- 00:40:45,667 --> 00:40:50,792
- our copilot suffered
- an anoxia situation
- where he passed out,
- 386
- 00:40:50,875 --> 00:40:55,083
- and his hand froze
- to the plexiglass window,
- 387
- 00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:58,125
- and then they had
- to amputate the fingers
- of his hand
- 388
- 00:40:58,208 --> 00:41:02,125
- because it was so cold
- that his hand, when he tried
- to help himself,
- 389
- 00:41:02,208 --> 00:41:05,500
- froze to the plexiglass window.
- 390
- 00:41:59,583 --> 00:42:01,625
- ( church bell tolling )
- 391
- 00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:08,125
- Toombs:
- Well, the British
- treated us very nice,
- 392
- 00:42:08,208 --> 00:42:11,417
- in some cases royally.
- 393
- 00:42:14,125 --> 00:42:15,875
- They called it
- "The Friendly Invasion"
- 394
- 00:42:15,959 --> 00:42:18,250
- 'cause we flat invaded
- that country.
- 395
- 00:42:27,083 --> 00:42:29,208
- England's a small country,
- and we had it
- 396
- 00:42:29,291 --> 00:42:32,625
- absolutely covered up
- with American soldiers.
- 397
- 00:42:35,625 --> 00:42:38,542
- And they tolerated us.
- 398
- 00:42:38,625 --> 00:42:41,291
- ( no audible dialogue )
- 399
- 00:42:55,792 --> 00:42:57,291
- Villagran:
- I was single then,
- 400
- 00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,875
- I could run around,
- do whatever I wanted.
- 401
- 00:42:59,959 --> 00:43:01,750
- But I didn't feel uncomfortable
- 402
- 00:43:01,834 --> 00:43:04,709
- with the British people
- at all...
- 403
- 00:43:04,792 --> 00:43:07,709
- once I got to be able
- to understand the language,
- 404
- 00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:10,500
- because... ( laughs )
- that English language
- 405
- 00:43:10,583 --> 00:43:12,792
- is a little different
- then ours.
- 406
- 00:43:14,667 --> 00:43:16,250
- Alexander:
- Very good people.
- 407
- 00:43:16,333 --> 00:43:19,542
- As you know,
- at the beginning of the war
- 408
- 00:43:19,625 --> 00:43:23,625
- they weren't too enamored
- by the Yanks comin' over.
- 409
- 00:43:23,709 --> 00:43:29,041
- They said we were "overpaid,
- oversexed, and over here."
- 410
- 00:43:29,125 --> 00:43:31,333
- ( chuckles )
- I remember that.
- 411
- 00:44:10,333 --> 00:44:15,417
- Alexander:
- Flak is German
- 88-millimeter cannon shells.
- 412
- 00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:19,625
- Flak was responsible
- for more planes being shot down
- 413
- 00:44:19,709 --> 00:44:21,875
- than enemy fighters.
- 414
- 00:44:21,959 --> 00:44:25,041
- And when you see a flak,
- black puffs of smoke,
- 415
- 00:44:25,125 --> 00:44:28,542
- that's after the shell,
- of course, has exploded.
- 416
- 00:44:28,625 --> 00:44:31,500
- And it explodes,
- hypothetically,
- 417
- 00:44:31,583 --> 00:44:34,291
- into 200 pieces...
- 418
- 00:44:34,375 --> 00:44:36,417
- and it's powerful.
- 419
- 00:44:41,417 --> 00:44:43,750
- Rowland:
- You don't know where
- the flak is coming from.
- 420
- 00:44:43,834 --> 00:44:47,083
- You don't know
- if the next burst
- is gonna hit you or not.
- 421
- 00:44:47,166 --> 00:44:50,333
- You never know where
- the next one is gonna be
- 422
- 00:44:50,417 --> 00:44:53,250
- in a case like that,
- and that's what scares ya.
- 423
- 00:44:53,333 --> 00:44:55,333
- ( explosions )
- 424
- 00:44:55,417 --> 00:44:57,583
- Toombs:
- It just looked like
- a big thunderstorm,
- 425
- 00:44:57,667 --> 00:44:59,875
- so to speak,
- that's what it amounted to.
- 426
- 00:44:59,959 --> 00:45:02,250
- But you had to keep on flyin'.
- 427
- 00:45:07,959 --> 00:45:11,625
- Kimmel:
- God was on your side
- when you didn't get hit.
- 428
- 00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:13,875
- The flak would vary so much.
- 429
- 00:45:13,959 --> 00:45:16,041
- The Germans had
- pretty good radar--
- 430
- 00:45:16,125 --> 00:45:19,750
- they could judge your altitude,
- your speed,
- 431
- 00:45:19,834 --> 00:45:22,125
- and your direction.
- 432
- 00:45:28,709 --> 00:45:31,166
- Harrison:
- I think the worst
- that I ever had--
- 433
- 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:34,542
- over Kassel, Germany,
- I will never forget that one--
- 434
- 00:45:34,625 --> 00:45:36,750
- it blew my windshield out
- 435
- 00:45:36,834 --> 00:45:40,792
- and come into my face
- at 160 miles an hour.
- 436
- 00:45:48,667 --> 00:45:51,291
- Villagran:
- You'd look at that flak
- out there, and you'd swear
- 437
- 00:45:51,375 --> 00:45:54,250
- you're not gonna
- get through it...
- 438
- 00:45:54,333 --> 00:45:56,417
- where the sky's almost black
- with these things
- 439
- 00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,583
- bustin' all over the place.
- 440
- 00:45:59,667 --> 00:46:03,333
- It's amazing
- we did make it through
- as much as we did.
- 441
- 00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:19,375
- Villagran:
- Well, we had a dog,
- 442
- 00:46:19,458 --> 00:46:22,208
- and it looked more like a pig
- than a dog. ( laughs )
- 443
- 00:46:22,291 --> 00:46:25,041
- But it was our mascot.
- 444
- 00:46:32,458 --> 00:46:36,000
- We had a stove
- in the middle of the barracks,
- 445
- 00:46:36,083 --> 00:46:38,959
- and we used to make sandwiches
- on it and so forth.
- 446
- 00:46:39,041 --> 00:46:42,875
- If the dog was around,
- we'd feed him whatever
- we had left over.
- 447
- 00:46:44,542 --> 00:46:47,000
- He hung around the barracks
- until we got back.
- 448
- 00:46:47,083 --> 00:46:49,625
- Don't know if
- he had a name or not.
- 449
- 00:46:49,709 --> 00:46:51,959
- He was a faithful little dog.
- 450
- 00:46:52,041 --> 00:46:55,250
- But it had a real wide nose.
- ( laughs )
- 451
- 00:47:02,709 --> 00:47:05,250
- Harrison:
- Oh, you get superstitious.
- 452
- 00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:09,041
- I remember I had to put on
- a clean pair of socks
- 453
- 00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:11,333
- the day I was shot down.
- 454
- 00:47:11,417 --> 00:47:15,875
- I'd been wearing
- the same pair of socks.
- 455
- 00:47:15,959 --> 00:47:20,125
- Evidently, I think that the pup
- got one of my socks
- 456
- 00:47:20,208 --> 00:47:22,834
- and was chewing on it
- and hid it,
- 457
- 00:47:22,917 --> 00:47:24,458
- and I couldn't find it
- that morning,
- 458
- 00:47:24,542 --> 00:47:27,417
- I had to put on
- a clean pair of socks.
- 459
- 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,625
- That might have been the reason
- I was shot down.
- 460
- 00:47:32,417 --> 00:47:34,333
- Kimmel:
- You are to believe this or not,
- 461
- 00:47:34,417 --> 00:47:37,083
- but somewheres around
- the 10th or 12th mission,
- 462
- 00:47:37,166 --> 00:47:42,333
- I got to a point, and I know
- some of the other fellas
- reached the same thing,
- 463
- 00:47:42,417 --> 00:47:44,750
- that they were feeling blasé.
- 464
- 00:47:44,834 --> 00:47:46,792
- "They didn't get us
- up to here,
- 465
- 00:47:46,875 --> 00:47:49,542
- they ain't gonna
- get us hereon."
- 466
- 00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:54,291
- Haedike:
- I was somewhat superstitious.
- 467
- 00:47:54,375 --> 00:47:57,125
- I always felt
- God would bring me home--
- 468
- 00:47:57,208 --> 00:47:59,041
- and I mean that sincerely--
- 469
- 00:47:59,125 --> 00:48:03,250
- however, I wasn't sure
- if it would be in one piece.
- 470
- 00:48:08,166 --> 00:48:10,917
- I flew five days in a row.
- 471
- 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,542
- Five missions.
- 472
- 00:48:12,625 --> 00:48:14,959
- And I remember
- by the fourth or fifth one,
- 473
- 00:48:15,041 --> 00:48:18,041
- you really didn't care--
- you were worn out.
- 474
- 00:48:18,125 --> 00:48:21,000
- You wanted to get away from it.
- 475
- 00:48:21,083 --> 00:48:23,583
- Toombs:
- I saw a lot of 'em
- break under pressure.
- 476
- 00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:28,208
- Come back and told
- the flight sergeant,
- "I can't fly anymore."
- 477
- 00:48:28,291 --> 00:48:29,583
- And they didn't.
- 478
- 00:48:29,667 --> 00:48:30,959
- Nobody pointed
- their finger at 'em
- 479
- 00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:32,625
- and ridiculed 'em.
- 480
- 00:48:33,792 --> 00:48:35,458
- Nobody.
- 481
- 00:49:15,208 --> 00:49:17,125
- Kimmel:
- Yes, the bomb run.
- 482
- 00:49:17,208 --> 00:49:18,750
- That was the worst,
- 483
- 00:49:18,834 --> 00:49:21,792
- 'cause you had to
- keep everything steady.
- 484
- 00:49:23,208 --> 00:49:24,625
- If you weren't on a bomb run,
- 485
- 00:49:24,709 --> 00:49:27,333
- you could slide over
- once in a while,
- 486
- 00:49:27,417 --> 00:49:29,792
- that made 'em
- think they'd miss ya.
- 487
- 00:49:29,875 --> 00:49:33,875
- But on a bomb run, you just
- had to set there and take it.
- 488
- 00:49:37,458 --> 00:49:40,917
- Try to shrivel up,
- I guess. ( laughs )
- 489
- 00:49:43,041 --> 00:49:46,083
- Harrison:
- The lead ship does it all.
- 490
- 00:49:46,166 --> 00:49:48,625
- You just follow what he does.
- 491
- 00:49:48,709 --> 00:49:51,667
- The lead ship, and then
- the two on each side,
- 492
- 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,041
- one down there and one up here
- and around there.
- 493
- 00:49:59,709 --> 00:50:03,458
- Toombs:
- I was flyin' right above
- the leader,
- 494
- 00:50:03,542 --> 00:50:05,625
- and when you're watching him
- 495
- 00:50:05,709 --> 00:50:10,041
- and you see that the bomb door
- is open, then you open too.
- 496
- 00:50:10,125 --> 00:50:12,000
- And then you wait
- for him to drop bombs,
- 497
- 00:50:12,083 --> 00:50:14,291
- and when he drops bombs,
- then you drop 'em.
- 498
- 00:50:25,125 --> 00:50:27,333
- Kimmel:
- We can't change our altitude,
- 499
- 00:50:27,417 --> 00:50:29,500
- and we can't change
- our direction,
- 500
- 00:50:29,583 --> 00:50:32,750
- and we're what you call
- sitting ducks at that moment.
- 501
- 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,500
- Harrison:
- It was rough,
- because any minute,
- 502
- 00:50:39,583 --> 00:50:41,583
- you were gonna get hit.
- 503
- 00:52:02,834 --> 00:52:05,667
- Kimmel:
- The bombs are dropped,
- bombs away,
- 504
- 00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:08,667
- and the first thing
- you hear is,
- 505
- 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:11,792
- "Let's get the hell
- outta here."
- 506
- 00:52:11,875 --> 00:52:16,875
- We make a sharp turn,
- and the group follows the lead.
- 507
- 00:52:19,959 --> 00:52:21,417
- Doyle:
- After a while,
- 508
- 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,500
- fighter attacks
- started coming in,
- 509
- 00:52:23,583 --> 00:52:26,208
- and they didn't miss
- very often.
- 510
- 00:52:35,041 --> 00:52:38,542
- ( gun firing )
- 511
- 00:52:48,583 --> 00:52:50,792
- Toombs:
- They'd be out 20, 30 miles,
- 512
- 00:52:50,875 --> 00:52:54,208
- and they'd come rush
- straight at your level.
- 513
- 00:52:55,917 --> 00:52:58,583
- ( firing )
- 514
- 00:53:01,291 --> 00:53:05,333
- Harrison:
- You couldn't hit anything
- with those guns like that.
- 515
- 00:53:05,417 --> 00:53:08,792
- By the time you saw a guy,
- he was gone.
- 516
- 00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,875
- You'd see one comin',
- he's gone.
- 517
- 00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:15,750
- ( machine-gunfire )
- 518
- 00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:39,166
- Rowland:
- You don't have much time
- to shoot at 'em.
- 519
- 00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:42,500
- If you get off a burst or two,
- well, you're lucky,
- 520
- 00:53:42,583 --> 00:53:44,750
- then they'd go zoop!
- 521
- 00:53:53,041 --> 00:53:55,250
- ( machine-gunfire )
- 522
- 00:53:59,375 --> 00:54:02,959
- ( firing )
- 523
- 00:54:03,041 --> 00:54:06,333
- Toombs:
- He'll drop off,
- he'll fly down,
- 524
- 00:54:06,417 --> 00:54:08,291
- and then he'll line up on ya.
- 525
- 00:54:08,375 --> 00:54:11,125
- ( imitates gunfire )
- Then he'll peel off.
- 526
- 00:54:21,667 --> 00:54:25,000
- ( firing )
- 527
- 00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:40,834
- ( gunfire continues )
- 528
- 00:54:48,959 --> 00:54:52,250
- Harrison:
- The copilot was hit pretty hard
- when we were shot down.
- 529
- 00:54:52,333 --> 00:54:57,583
- A 20-millimeter shell
- popped right above his head
- 530
- 00:54:57,667 --> 00:54:59,750
- and it knocked an eye out.
- 531
- 00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:07,458
- So it was high noon,
- an ME-109 was back there
- blasting at us,
- 532
- 00:55:07,542 --> 00:55:12,208
- and I heard the copilot,
- he said, "Jesus Christ,
- 533
- 00:55:12,291 --> 00:55:15,500
- number four's on fire.
- Get out."
- 534
- 00:55:19,542 --> 00:55:22,583
- When that thing is spinnin'
- and headin' down,
- 535
- 00:55:22,667 --> 00:55:24,291
- you were glued to your seat,
- 536
- 00:55:24,375 --> 00:55:26,750
- you couldn't move
- if you wanted to.
- 537
- 00:55:30,709 --> 00:55:34,417
- Villagran:
- And you're lucky if you see
- two or three guys bail out.
- 538
- 00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:39,166
- We would count the chutes,
- 539
- 00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:41,667
- and usually if we
- started to look too long
- 540
- 00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:43,583
- after a ship
- that was going down,
- 541
- 00:55:43,667 --> 00:55:46,333
- the pilot would say,
- "OK, guys, off--"
- 542
- 00:55:46,417 --> 00:55:47,792
- We didn't want
- to spend too much time
- 543
- 00:55:47,875 --> 00:55:49,667
- looking at a plane going down
- 544
- 00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:52,917
- when we had fighters
- in the area and so forth.
- 545
- 00:56:01,083 --> 00:56:04,917
- Harrison:
- The gunners and the others
- that were watching all the time
- 546
- 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,083
- would tell ya, "Boy,
- I don't think anybody got out
- of that one, nobody got out,"
- 547
- 00:56:09,166 --> 00:56:13,542
- and then sometimes
- you'd see chutes
- comin' out of 'em
- 548
- 00:56:13,625 --> 00:56:15,917
- before they blew up
- or anything.
- 549
- 00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:20,625
- If you didn't
- have your chute on
- 550
- 00:56:20,709 --> 00:56:24,000
- and get out of there
- in less than 30 seconds,
- 551
- 00:56:24,083 --> 00:56:25,458
- you're gone.
- 552
- 00:56:27,083 --> 00:56:28,959
- You're gone.
- 553
- 00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:36,125
- And seven out of eleven
- out of my crew got out alive...
- 554
- 00:56:36,208 --> 00:56:39,667
- and one of 'em,
- when he got on the ground,
- 555
- 00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:42,250
- they pitchforked him to death.
- 556
- 00:56:43,917 --> 00:56:47,000
- How could you kill a human
- like that?
- 557
- 00:57:23,333 --> 00:57:27,250
- Kimmel:
- As we approached the field,
- we set off flares.
- 558
- 00:57:27,333 --> 00:57:30,625
- Red flares means
- you have wounded aboard.
- 559
- 00:57:30,709 --> 00:57:32,917
- Everybody else
- gets out of the way
- 560
- 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,125
- and the wounded comes in first.
- 561
- 00:58:24,458 --> 00:58:26,750
- Kimmel:
- To this day, I still see it.
- 562
- 00:58:26,834 --> 00:58:29,125
- When I think of it,
- I choke up.
- 563
- 00:58:29,208 --> 00:58:31,500
- I can't help it,
- they were friends of mine,
- 564
- 00:58:31,583 --> 00:58:34,959
- they were good friends,
- and it hurt so bad.
- 565
- 00:58:35,041 --> 00:58:38,875
- Especially we all felt like:
- "What a waste."
- 566
- 00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:47,333
- With the job we had,
- the chance of dying
- was at least 50%.
- 567
- 00:58:47,417 --> 00:58:51,625
- 50% chance of living,
- 50% chance of dying.
- 568
- 00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,291
- Haedike:
- You know, a guy said,
- "Your name's on it."
- 569
- 00:58:57,375 --> 00:58:59,333
- Well, maybe it was.
- 570
- 00:58:59,417 --> 00:59:01,667
- But it was scary.
- 571
- 00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:07,959
- And I get very irritated
- when I hear some of these guys
- say, "I wasn't scared one bit."
- 572
- 00:59:08,041 --> 00:59:10,291
- They're full of prunes.
- 573
- 00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:16,834
- I was scared every time.
- 574
- 00:59:23,625 --> 00:59:26,208
- Kimmel:
- I went out to a ship one time
- 575
- 00:59:26,291 --> 00:59:28,750
- when they were taking
- a young fella off,
- 576
- 00:59:28,834 --> 00:59:32,125
- and I thought
- I could help them.
- 577
- 00:59:34,208 --> 00:59:36,417
- The guy they were pulling
- out of the ship...
- 578
- 00:59:39,625 --> 00:59:43,166
- ( voice breaking ) ...he was
- calling for his mother.
- 579
- 01:00:33,250 --> 01:00:37,291
- Haedike:
- In about late 1944,
- 580
- 01:00:37,375 --> 01:00:40,458
- the Allies decided
- 581
- 01:00:40,542 --> 01:00:44,041
- to do away
- with precision bombing.
- 582
- 01:00:45,875 --> 01:00:48,333
- We went to pattern bombing.
- 583
- 01:00:50,041 --> 01:00:52,375
- Unfortunately, it killed
- a lot of people,
- 584
- 01:00:52,458 --> 01:00:57,208
- but brought the war to a close
- about a year sooner.
- 585
- 01:01:06,583 --> 01:01:09,500
- Doyle:
- The United States military
- 586
- 01:01:09,583 --> 01:01:13,500
- did not go out
- to carpet-bomb civilians
- or anything.
- 587
- 01:01:13,583 --> 01:01:16,041
- They went out
- to bomb factories,
- 588
- 01:01:16,125 --> 01:01:18,333
- rail yards, refineries,
- 589
- 01:01:18,417 --> 01:01:20,750
- and places that had something
- to do with the war.
- 590
- 01:01:20,834 --> 01:01:23,542
- I don't think that
- I felt bad about that at all.
- 591
- 01:01:23,625 --> 01:01:25,750
- That's what we were
- supposed to do.
- 592
- 01:01:25,834 --> 01:01:29,959
- But toward the end of the war,
- the Germans would not give up.
- 593
- 01:01:50,375 --> 01:01:52,000
- Toombs:
- Never thought a thing about it.
- 594
- 01:01:52,083 --> 01:01:55,166
- We didn't think about people
- being down there.
- 595
- 01:01:56,417 --> 01:01:57,875
- That never crossed my mind,
- 596
- 01:01:57,959 --> 01:02:00,458
- about a human being
- bein' down there.
- 597
- 01:02:11,834 --> 01:02:14,709
- Alexander:
- Never gave it a thought,
- they just Germans,
- 598
- 01:02:14,792 --> 01:02:17,625
- you know, and I never
- gave it a thought.
- 599
- 01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:30,917
- Doyle:
- For some reason,
- I didn't hate 'em.
- 600
- 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,750
- If I had a fighter plane
- 601
- 01:02:32,834 --> 01:02:35,333
- come within
- shooting-me distance,
- 602
- 01:02:35,417 --> 01:02:39,875
- my thought was, "This kid
- probably wanted to live
- as bad as you did."
- 603
- 01:02:42,166 --> 01:02:44,625
- I really didn't have
- any hate for 'em.
- 604
- 01:02:44,709 --> 01:02:46,458
- I was just scared of 'em.
- 605
- 01:02:50,291 --> 01:02:52,166
- Kimmel:
- Never gave it a thought.
- 606
- 01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:54,583
- I honestly
- never gave it a thought.
- 607
- 01:02:54,667 --> 01:02:57,333
- I just felt this way:
- 608
- 01:02:57,417 --> 01:02:59,083
- "They're gonna do it to us,
- 609
- 01:02:59,166 --> 01:03:01,625
- we better do it to them
- before they do it to us."
- 610
- 01:03:01,709 --> 01:03:04,500
- And that's the way I felt,
- and I couldn't help it.
- 611
- 01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:48,458
- Interviewer:
- Bring any thoughts,
- seeing that?
- 612
- 01:03:48,542 --> 01:03:52,542
- Toombs:
- Well, I drifted off into
- several thoughts. ( laughs )
- 613
- 01:03:52,625 --> 01:03:56,000
- Most of 'em, you know, uh...
- 614
- 01:03:56,083 --> 01:03:58,500
- were bad thoughts when
- you're lookin' at a mission.
- 615
- 01:03:58,583 --> 01:04:03,500
- I see what took place
- on that mission,
- 616
- 01:04:03,583 --> 01:04:07,208
- and your mind drifts back
- to those times, you know.
- 617
- 01:04:22,875 --> 01:04:25,625
- Doyle:
- We had a lot
- of midair collisions.
- 618
- 01:04:25,709 --> 01:04:28,500
- Some guys would get mixed up,
- pilots,
- 619
- 01:04:28,583 --> 01:04:33,000
- and they'd start flying...
- the wrong direction and so on.
- 620
- 01:04:33,083 --> 01:04:37,000
- But the scary part
- of most of our missions
- 621
- 01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:39,125
- was just getting through
- all of that.
- 622
- 01:04:41,542 --> 01:04:46,041
- Interviewer:
- Did it get easier or harder
- as you flew more missions?
- 623
- 01:04:46,125 --> 01:04:49,417
- Doyle:
- I just-- Like I say,
- I was scared to death.
- 624
- 01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:53,667
- But, uh...
- those were not good days.
- 625
- 01:05:04,458 --> 01:05:07,709
- There was no radio
- communication at all.
- 626
- 01:05:07,792 --> 01:05:11,125
- We had the intercom goin'
- all the time, though.
- 627
- 01:05:11,208 --> 01:05:14,834
- I'd check in with the man
- with the oxygen mask on,
- 628
- 01:05:14,917 --> 01:05:18,792
- make sure their oxygen
- was flowing right.
- 629
- 01:05:18,875 --> 01:05:20,500
- Especially the tail gunner,
- 630
- 01:05:20,583 --> 01:05:23,959
- he was layin' back there
- by himself so much.
- 631
- 01:05:31,792 --> 01:05:35,500
- Harrison:
- You got very close with
- the men and everything.
- 632
- 01:05:35,583 --> 01:05:38,041
- And they're all young kids.
- 633
- 01:05:42,208 --> 01:05:45,166
- They're all dead now,
- I'm sure.
- 634
- 01:05:56,709 --> 01:05:58,125
- When you're that high up,
- 635
- 01:05:58,208 --> 01:06:01,834
- everything on the ground
- looks like a little toy.
- 636
- 01:06:01,917 --> 01:06:04,667
- If you see a truck or something,
- 637
- 01:06:04,750 --> 01:06:06,709
- it really looks small.
- 638
- 01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:12,000
- It was hard,
- but you had to do it.
- 639
- 01:06:12,083 --> 01:06:15,875
- We had to get rid of Hitler,
- and so we did it.
- 640
- 01:06:28,208 --> 01:06:32,542
- You guys know that some bombs
- went through the wings of B-17s?
- 641
- 01:06:33,875 --> 01:06:35,875
- I always wondered
- how in the world--
- 642
- 01:06:35,959 --> 01:06:38,041
- They were out of position...
- 643
- 01:06:38,125 --> 01:06:40,041
- in the formation.
- 644
- 01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:44,208
- God's been good to me.
- 645
- 01:06:44,291 --> 01:06:47,291
- First of all,
- he's given me 70 years
- 646
- 01:06:47,375 --> 01:06:49,333
- with that lady over there,
- 647
- 01:06:49,417 --> 01:06:52,083
- and we have a wonderful family.
- 648
- 01:06:56,291 --> 01:06:57,917
- We have six kids
- 649
- 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,667
- and we have 20 grandkids,
- 22 great-grandkids.
- 650
- 01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:05,750
- So we've been
- a very blessed family.
- 651
- 01:07:05,834 --> 01:07:09,083
- I didn't say I want 'em all
- at the house at once.
- 652
- 01:07:16,208 --> 01:07:18,667
- Interviewer:
- What do you think
- about "The Good War"
- 653
- 01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:20,709
- and "You're
- the Greatest Generation"?
- 654
- 01:07:23,125 --> 01:07:27,375
- Villagran:
- Well... ( laughs )
- I'm beginning to believe it.
- 655
- 01:07:27,458 --> 01:07:29,125
- ( laughing )
- 656
- 01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,667
- Does that make sense to ya?
- 657
- 01:07:34,917 --> 01:07:39,458
- You kind of grew up 10 years
- when you went into that thing.
- 658
- 01:07:41,083 --> 01:07:44,208
- And when I came back home,
- 659
- 01:07:44,291 --> 01:07:47,125
- I didn't feel like
- the same man anymore.
- 660
- 01:07:54,625 --> 01:07:58,333
- Interviewer:
- What do you say to people
- who say, "John, you're a hero.
- 661
- 01:07:58,417 --> 01:07:59,917
- You're a hero"?
- 662
- 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,625
- Ketzner:
- I say, "OK,
- you're probably right."
- 663
- 01:08:01,709 --> 01:08:04,542
- ( laughing )
- I don't know what else to say.
- 664
- 01:08:04,625 --> 01:08:07,041
- I wasn't one
- of the hero-heroes,
- 665
- 01:08:07,125 --> 01:08:10,625
- the guys that finish
- their tour and sign up
- for another one,
- 666
- 01:08:10,709 --> 01:08:13,667
- I wasn't them kind of heroes.
- ( laughing )
- 667
- 01:08:15,792 --> 01:08:17,917
- Alexander:
- But I want it clearly known:
- 668
- 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,792
- I do not profess myself
- to be a hero.
- 669
- 01:08:20,875 --> 01:08:23,417
- I was the pilot;
- 670
- 01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:27,750
- the heroes are buried in
- England, Germany, and France.
- 671
- 01:08:27,834 --> 01:08:31,041
- The boys didn't make it,
- they're the heroes.
- 672
- 01:08:31,125 --> 01:08:33,333
- I was just a normal pilot.
- 673
- 01:08:52,917 --> 01:08:55,542
- This is called pattern bombing.
- 674
- 01:09:02,041 --> 01:09:04,542
- Interviewer:
- No offense, but you guys
- aren't getting any younger.
- 675
- 01:09:04,625 --> 01:09:06,250
- Why do you think
- it's important
- 676
- 01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:09,083
- that people know
- what you guys did?
- 677
- 01:09:11,375 --> 01:09:12,959
- Kimmel:
- Well, for one thing,
- 678
- 01:09:13,041 --> 01:09:14,917
- we don't want it
- to to happen again,
- 679
- 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,458
- in fact or in fancy.
- 680
- 01:09:18,542 --> 01:09:20,500
- We just don't want it
- to happen again,
- 681
- 01:09:20,583 --> 01:09:25,709
- for my grandson,
- my granddaughters
- and their husbands.
- 682
- 01:09:28,583 --> 01:09:32,750
- I don't want to see them
- have to face what we did.
- 683
- 01:10:05,583 --> 01:10:07,250
- ( wheels skidding )
- 684
- 01:10:11,959 --> 01:10:14,959
- ( film projector running )
- 685
- 01:10:19,625 --> 01:10:22,792
- Haedike:
- I cannot say it
- much more eloquently--
- 686
- 01:10:22,875 --> 01:10:25,792
- it was a hazardous profession.
- 687
- 01:10:27,834 --> 01:10:31,208
- OK, up at altitude and,
- of course, bombs away and all,
- 688
- 01:10:31,291 --> 01:10:32,792
- and you got this on,
- 689
- 01:10:32,875 --> 01:10:35,166
- I think fear
- more than anything,
- 690
- 01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:38,208
- you'd perspire and sweat.
- 691
- 01:10:38,291 --> 01:10:40,333
- You got this on.
- 692
- 01:10:40,417 --> 01:10:43,500
- Ice would form,
- and you'd take a deep breath
- 693
- 01:10:43,583 --> 01:10:46,500
- and break the ice
- out of the oxygen mask.
- 694
- 01:10:46,583 --> 01:10:49,083
- And then put it back on.
- 695
- 01:10:51,667 --> 01:10:55,333
- This is Bud
- trying to get down on the floor.
- 696
- 01:10:55,417 --> 01:10:57,417
- This is the Mae West.
- 697
- 01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:59,917
- Remember I told ya
- about the oxygen?
- 698
- 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,125
- I mean, the CO2 cylinder?
- 699
- 01:11:02,208 --> 01:11:05,083
- This is it.
- There it is.
- 700
- 01:11:05,166 --> 01:11:07,083
- CO2 cylinder.
- 701
- 01:11:07,166 --> 01:11:10,583
- This was before
- underarm deodorant,
- hair spray--
- 702
- 01:11:10,667 --> 01:11:14,834
- I think this was the birth
- of aerosol containers.
- 703
- 01:11:14,917 --> 01:11:18,917
- And if guys bailed out,
- they didn't want it
- totally inflated
- 704
- 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,750
- couple hundred feet up,
- 705
- 01:11:20,834 --> 01:11:24,583
- because if they hit the water,
- they could break their backs.
- 706
- 01:11:24,667 --> 01:11:27,083
- So it wasn't that easy.
- I never did it.
- 707
- 01:11:27,166 --> 01:11:28,917
- This is a throat mic.
- 708
- 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,333
- This is how
- I talked to Eric.
- 709
- 01:11:31,417 --> 01:11:32,917
- And this plugged in.
- 710
- 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,709
- And as I showed ya
- on the helmet,
- 711
- 01:11:35,792 --> 01:11:37,291
- this is how I heard.
- 712
- 01:11:37,375 --> 01:11:39,458
- So we had
- our communication system.
- 713
- 01:11:39,542 --> 01:11:41,291
- Interviewer:
- But, Bud, to be clear,
- 714
- 01:11:41,375 --> 01:11:44,208
- this should have been returned
- to the government in 1945.
- 715
- 01:11:44,291 --> 01:11:46,458
- ( laughing )
- 716
- 01:11:46,542 --> 01:11:48,417
- Come and get 'em, baby.
- 717
- 01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:50,542
- Interviewer:
- What we just did with you
- 718
- 01:11:50,625 --> 01:11:52,333
- might be the credit roll
- to our movie,
- 719
- 01:11:52,417 --> 01:11:53,959
- so you have any messages
- for people
- 720
- 01:11:54,041 --> 01:11:55,709
- that just watched
- this movie?
- 721
- 01:11:55,792 --> 01:11:59,792
- Well, I'm just so glad
- that people in America,
- 722
- 01:11:59,875 --> 01:12:04,625
- or anywhere,
- can get an idea what 19 and 20
- 723
- 01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:07,417
- and 21-year-old kids
- went through,
- 724
- 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:10,875
- and as I tell kids
- when I get done with my talk,
- 725
- 01:12:10,959 --> 01:12:13,667
- "I'm gonna ask you guys
- a favor now."
- 726
- 01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:15,166
- "What's that, Bud?"
- 727
- 01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:16,542
- "When you go home tonight,
- 728
- 01:12:16,625 --> 01:12:19,125
- you say a prayer of thanks
- to God
- 729
- 01:12:19,208 --> 01:12:22,709
- for those 28,000 guys
- that gave their lives
- 730
- 01:12:22,792 --> 01:12:25,542
- so that you got
- the life you got today."
- 731
- 01:12:27,917 --> 01:12:29,333
- Interviewer:
- Well, thank you
- for your service, Bud.
- 732
- 01:12:29,417 --> 01:12:31,250
- Haedike:
- Not at all. Not at all.
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