(3:21:26 PM) Alex Turdean: You were pretty out of line mate
(3:23:45 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: explain to me how out of line I was
(3:23:59 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: when I brought up things everyone else is saying
(3:24:10 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: but people are scared shitless
(3:24:12 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: to say
(3:24:18 PM) Alex Turdean: Implying that leadership embezzles funds is quite a spiteful and mean accusation
(3:24:32 PM) Alex Turdean: And immensea has better HD than tennerifis
(3:24:47 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: lmao, say what you will
(3:24:53 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you need to login to do shit
(3:25:23 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: It's always me and brosha doing it
(3:25:35 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you can't even do what your part is
(3:26:00 PM) Alex Turdean: Yeah it's kinda how things are now that I am busy
(3:26:09 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Then step down
(3:26:15 PM) Alex Turdean: I still do the pap counts and as much moving of goo as I can
(3:26:25 PM) Alex Turdean: I have offered but no one wants to step up
(3:26:30 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: You have not
(3:26:39 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: No once have you said it
(3:26:46 PM) Alex Turdean: I told dazz straight up but both sergon and brosha don't want it
(3:27:07 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: it's all good
(3:27:12 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I dont want it either
(3:27:30 PM) Alex Turdean: But accusing people of taking alliance funds...
(3:27:34 PM) Alex Turdean: That's fucking uncool
(3:27:50 PM) Alex Turdean: All the leadership works very hard for free
(3:28:01 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and saying this WC thing aint for money moons is a lie
(3:28:02 PM) Alex Turdean: And it's not fair on them to shit talk about it in alliance chat
(3:28:13 PM) Alex Turdean: It ain't because tri owns the moons
(3:28:34 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: sure
(3:28:51 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: kick me then like you want
(3:29:01 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: get rid of me, I really dont give a fuck
(3:29:07 PM) Alex Turdean: Basically mate, if you are conceited and suspicious please keep it to yourself
(3:29:20 PM) Alex Turdean: If you have actual issues you wanna solve, bring them up
(3:29:29 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: NO ONE WANTS TO LISTEN
(3:29:42 PM) Alex Turdean: Because you always start with conspiracy
(3:29:46 PM) Alex Turdean: And it shuts people off
(3:29:59 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I never idd
(3:30:01 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: did*
(3:30:10 PM) Alex Turdean: The world isn't against you
(3:30:12 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you dont even know what you are talking about
(3:30:17 PM) Alex Turdean: The leadership isn't out for themselves
(3:30:29 PM) Alex Turdean: We are here to make fcon Sov nice to play in
(3:30:32 PM) Alex Turdean: That's the only goal
(3:30:34 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: lmao
(3:30:37 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: thats a joke
(3:30:44 PM) Alex Turdean: There ya go
(3:30:52 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: have you looked at how many people are loggin in corp?
(3:31:00 PM) Alex Turdean: Nope
(3:31:06 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: we're lucky to have 6 REAL people anymore
(3:31:13 PM) Alex Turdean: But I suspect it's because of all the bitter vetting
(3:31:19 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: sure is
(3:31:34 PM) Alex Turdean: I don't come on comms and neither does sergon because we don't wanna hear about all the problems y'all don't try to fix
(3:31:43 PM) Alex Turdean: Just whine about
(3:31:56 PM) Alex Turdean: Instead we spend time trying to fix the problems
(3:33:43 PM) Alex Turdean: If you see a proper problem, that exists, get dazz to bring it up
(3:33:52 PM) Alex Turdean: But slandering people in alliance chat ain't cool
(3:34:08 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Will you fucking shut up about that part over and over and over
(3:34:17 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and we do bring shit up
(3:34:23 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: me and brosha BOTH
(3:34:23 PM) Alex Turdean: Well it's the only part I heard
(3:34:27 PM) Alex Turdean: And it's uncool
(3:34:30 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: im done
(3:35:25 PM) Alex Turdean: Allrighty, thanks for your contributions today, really helped lighten the load in a tough time with PL playing with us
(3:35:29 PM) Alex Turdean: I appreciate it greatly
(3:35:41 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: i hope PL steam rolls us
(3:35:49 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: this alliance needs a rude awaking
(3:36:10 PM) Alex Turdean: Aye, it needs people willing to do stuff rather than complain
(3:36:18 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: oh like you huh
(3:36:26 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: forgot your ego is sooo big
(3:36:35 PM) Alex Turdean: I wish there were people doing stuff so I didn't have to
(3:36:52 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: give people a chance instead of holding 20 different positions
(3:37:04 PM) Alex Turdean: I do, and they don't do it
(3:37:20 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: give people a reason to stand up
(3:37:35 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: give people a reason to want to save this alliance
(3:37:55 PM) Alex Turdean: I mean, that's not something I do
(3:38:02 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Your TOP 6
(3:38:05 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: it is
(3:38:10 PM) Alex Turdean: I fix stuff, tark does the cheerleading
(3:38:23 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Then sounds like someone needs replaced then
(3:38:38 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: cuz he aint doing a very good job of it
(3:39:24 PM) Alex Turdean: Eh, people are busy, personally I'm very dissapointed in the lack of aspiration and finding it hard to continue
(3:39:35 PM) Alex Turdean: But I do it because people rely on things getting done
(3:39:45 PM) Alex Turdean: How long I can keep it up I dunno
(3:39:59 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Now you know how me and brosha feel
(3:40:14 PM) Alex Turdean: I dont, you never explained it
(3:40:22 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you just said it
(3:40:31 PM) Alex Turdean: You just got angry
(3:40:56 PM) Alex Turdean: You guys aspire to Jack shit...
(3:41:09 PM) Alex Turdean: Just complain and feel better
(3:41:21 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I'll be sure to relay that to him
(3:41:46 PM) Alex Turdean: Brosha does a great job on the corp side of things
(3:42:16 PM) Alex Turdean: But between the two of you, all I hear these days is this is bad and that is bad therfore I don't do it
(3:42:32 PM) Alex Turdean: Well if everyone has that attitude, we never get anywhere
(3:42:43 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: hence the reason people have stopped loggin in
(3:42:57 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: alliance leadership aint doing shit, even if we bring it up
(3:43:03 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: we get, quit bitter vetting
(3:43:15 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and therefore why would we do anything more?
(3:43:29 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you are contradicting yourself.
(3:43:35 PM) Alex Turdean: Because the leadership works very fucking hard
(3:43:46 PM) Alex Turdean: And if you want something else done, the best way is to help
(3:43:53 PM) Alex Turdean: Rather than moan all day
(3:43:58 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: but you JUST said, tell dazz
(3:44:12 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and now it's help
(3:44:17 PM) Alex Turdean: Fuck you can tell me too
(3:44:38 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: now you've said 3 different options
(3:44:43 PM) Alex Turdean: But every time I tell y'all to do it you reply with: no thanks I'm not interested in the effort required
(3:44:51 PM) Alex Turdean: So I stopped suggesting that
(3:45:41 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I'm trying to be serious and level headed here. Just you say one thing, and then suggest 10 different things for the same thing
(3:45:48 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: then you say quit bitter vetting
(3:45:55 PM) Alex Turdean: Yeah
(3:46:00 PM) Alex Turdean: That's my main point
(3:46:06 PM) Alex Turdean: Quit it, find another way
(3:46:34 PM) Alex Turdean: Dazz surveyed all the corp members this month, many of them said bitter vetting is making them not want to play
(3:46:53 PM) Alex Turdean: No one wants to log in and get depressed by comms
(3:46:56 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: funny he didn't share that with the rest of the leadership
(3:47:12 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: guess we're not as equal as he says we are
(3:48:00 PM) Alex Turdean: Well it's hard for him when you rant non stop mate
(3:48:12 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I dont rant non stop
(3:48:13 PM) Alex Turdean: We can't start a touch conversation without you ranting
(3:49:01 PM) Alex Turdean: Last time sergon an I explained the problems with rorqual mining during USTZ
(3:49:08 PM) Alex Turdean: Just plain factd
(3:49:12 PM) Alex Turdean: And you nearly left the corp
(3:49:28 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: it was taken out of context
(3:49:42 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: dazz misunderstood what I said
(3:49:58 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and I quit mining, rorqs are gone
(3:50:23 PM) Alex Turdean: Well there you have it, we are scared to try talk about tricky stuff with you because the response is always pretty wild
(3:50:31 PM) Alex Turdean: It's never measured or calculated
(3:50:34 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: WTF
(3:50:38 PM) Alex Turdean: Just awox blues
(3:50:48 PM) Alex Turdean: Get mad and storm off
(3:50:52 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: lmao
(3:51:46 PM) Alex Turdean: Not much we can do
(3:51:54 PM) Alex Turdean: But I'm telling you, leadership spends 5-6 hiurs a day doing BS non fun stuff and we don't get anything other than the satisfaction of making things better for fcon hopefully
(3:52:39 PM) Alex Turdean: So please, be a little more proactive and less of a problem thay get leadership even more depressed after a very hard month
(3:53:03 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you think you're the only ones that get depressed?
(3:53:11 PM) Alex Turdean: We definately arent
(3:53:25 PM) Alex Turdean: But we also don't dump stuff on you guys when we are
(3:53:28 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop:  get leadership even more depressed after a very hard month
(3:53:32 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you just said that
(3:53:34 PM) Alex Turdean: We keep it in and try make stuff better
(3:53:50 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: nah, you just don't log in
(3:54:12 PM) Alex Turdean: That's more because I work about 12 hours a day
(3:54:39 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I've talked to Sergon 50 times more than you since I've been back in Jan.
(3:54:58 PM) Alex Turdean: Yeah
(3:55:02 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Members are seeing that
(3:55:08 PM) Alex Turdean: I don't have time to login
(3:55:16 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and then we have to explain to them why we think your not on comms
(3:55:50 PM) Alex Turdean: I told yall, I'm working now
(3:55:53 PM) Alex Turdean: It's busy
(3:56:06 PM) Alex Turdean: I went from being a student to working half the day
(3:56:15 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: i understand that, line members dont
(3:56:33 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: they just see a Vice-CEO that has disappeared
(3:56:33 PM) Alex Turdean: I get 2 hours to myself, and at the moment I have to spend it doing stuff that makes our space better
(3:57:10 PM) Alex Turdean: Then let's get a new vice in
(3:57:18 PM) Alex Turdean: Bring it up with dazz and make it happen
(3:57:31 PM) Alex Turdean: If people need a new vice get it for them
(3:57:38 PM) Alex Turdean: Just stop with the depressing BS
(3:57:44 PM) Alex Turdean: It doesn't fix anything
(3:57:50 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I'll talk to him when he gets back from his trip
(3:58:16 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I'll do my best man, but you have to understand it from our side too
(3:58:22 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: look at it from outside the box
(3:58:43 PM) Alex Turdean: I dunno man, I just cant, when I want stuff done differently
(3:58:48 PM) Alex Turdean: I just do it myself
(4:04:48 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: maybe that works for you as you are in tight with leadership, the rest of us don't have it so easy
(4:05:01 PM) Alex Turdean: Yeah I didn't start in leadership
(4:05:06 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: sorry kids tripped the circuit breaker
(4:05:14 PM) Alex Turdean: I was a line member, I wanted to fix stuff
(4:05:27 PM) Alex Turdean: So I put myself in positions to do that
(4:05:48 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: but look at the people that are in positions now, they still hold their old positions
(4:06:00 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: which doesn't let anyone else a chance to get into those positions
(4:06:38 PM) Alex Turdean: I didn't just appear in empty positions
(4:06:50 PM) Alex Turdean: I just did people's jobs better than they did until I took over
(4:08:17 PM) Alex Turdean: But I can assure you mate, the constant diplo issues, the bitter vetting, all that only stops people wanting to play
(4:08:35 PM) Alex Turdean: I spend about 4 hours a week shielding DYS from diplo issues
(4:08:42 PM) Alex Turdean: And it's getting harder and harder
(4:09:58 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I rarely say anything in alliance, today was the first time in a long time
(4:10:08 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: that I may have created a diplo ticket
(4:10:25 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: But then again, the only person that would hear me out was McBarnicle
(4:11:09 PM) Alex Turdean: Yeah but it's stuff like shooting blues, trolling intel, letting people constantly break some very simple rules that most corps have an easy time listening to
(4:11:38 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: well if you block it, then how can we go about fixing it?
(4:12:01 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: you don't relay any information to us, neither does dazz
(4:12:18 PM) Alex Turdean: Maye
(4:12:29 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: brosh and I are left there holding our dicks while you guys keeping yelling
(4:12:42 PM) Alex Turdean: I've been at 3 corp meetings and said the same thing every time, please stop trolling intel, it's causing issues
(4:12:59 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and as far as I know besides Rike, it has stopped
(4:13:21 PM) Alex Turdean: Yeah but only after it got really, really bad
(4:13:26 PM) Alex Turdean: Like terribly bad
(4:13:36 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: He was drunk that night
(4:13:40 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: there was nothing I could do
(4:13:54 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: Explain to me what I should have done then
(4:14:26 PM) Alex Turdean: Not gone on the whole troll intel with people band wagon since Jan creating a culture where it's kinda acceptable
(4:14:50 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I stopped that long ago like i just said
(4:14:53 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: your not listening
(4:14:55 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: again
(4:15:15 PM) Alex Turdean: Need to manage the members then, I did it more when I was able to
(4:15:22 PM) Alex Turdean: Now I can't because I'm working
(4:15:36 PM) Alex Turdean: Sergon used to do it more too but he got busy too
(4:15:51 PM) Alex Turdean: I generally found that when you are positive and proactive
(4:16:00 PM) Alex Turdean: People respond better
(4:16:03 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I'm not stupid on that part
(4:16:16 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: so please don't belittle me
(4:16:29 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I was talking about that one time with Rike
(4:16:45 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: and you went off on a tangent about the whole 3 months
(4:17:04 PM) Alex Turdean: A little
(4:17:22 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: fine, lets it get over with. Your better than me
(4:17:31 PM) Alex Turdean: In general of you need to change stuff do it, but please, jesus, be proactive and positive
(4:17:44 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: now please knock that chip off your shoulder
(4:17:47 PM) Alex Turdean: If you*
(4:18:36 PM) hearnomore@fcon.us/desktop: I have been positive in the last 2 months as best i can. Hell, I did the last meeting myself cuz no one showed up.
(4:19:09 PM) Alex Turdean: Good stuff, thank you
(4:19:34 PM) Alex Turdean: Last piece of advice is that it's a marathon, and you need to keep it up constantly to grt good results