--- Log opened Thu Jul 14 09:48:51 2011
09:48 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Foonetic with ross`
09:48 <ross`> harsh! but i guess if thats what you feel is best :)
09:49 <Stereo> well, you could have stopped after the kick
09:49 <ross`> i didn't realize i was doing something wrong?
09:49 <ross`> i was voicing my opinion on the topic
09:49 <ross`> an opinion that is a reality in many households
09:50 <ross`> are you a woman? that would explain why you take offense to a non disrespectful attitiude towards women.
09:50 <ross`> believe me, there is nothing disrespectful about what i said
09:50 <ross`> most women want to party, and live like teenagers forever. I have seen it time and time again
09:51 <Stereo> it is disrespectful, and I'm not sure if the answer to that question matters.
09:51 <ross`> they are immature and irresponsible, and make most of their decisions out of spite
09:51 <ross`> Stereo how is it disrespectful?
09:51 <Stereo> calling a group of people immature and irresponsible is pretty disrespectful.
09:53 <ross`> if you randomly sort a million women living in the US, you would be hard pressed to find 4/20 of them mature enough to want to evolve out of their highschool atmosphere. I would be delighted to be proved wrong.
09:53 <ross`> what i am saying is not disrespectful to them, it is what they want
09:54 <ross`> women want to recieve their weekly allowance, and then stay up all night and party with their friends, they don't want to be told no.
09:54 <ross`> if you read disrespectful sexist out of that, so be it.
09:54 <Stereo> you don't get to decide what's disrespectful to other people.
09:54 <ross`> but believe me, its not a convention forced on them, it is what they choose
09:56 <ross`> Stereo you don't think a ban was a bit harsh? i thought that was a topic of conversation. It's not like i said we should kill women, because they are selfish and greedy. No, i feel quite the opposite. women are equal to men.
09:56 <ross`> all i am saying is i have no yet met a woman who has evolved from the mentality of when she was 17 (in my generation) i am 19
09:57 <ross`> i give a woman the life she wants
09:57 <ross`> all i am saying is what i described is the life that most women want
09:57 <ross`> how is that offensive/disrespectful
09:58 <Stereo> telling people what they want is disrespectful.  and the channel's for polite conversation.
09:58 <ross`> ?
09:59 <ross`> i never told anyone what they want, i may have generalized a bit
09:59 <ross`> s/women/most women
09:59 <ross`> happy?
09:59 <ross`> i don't tell anyone what they want
09:59 <ross`> they tell me what they want
09:59 <ross`> and it just so happens they want money and no responsibility
09:59 <ross`> i think you have misunderstood me
09:59 <ross`> if you tihnk i treat women any less then a man should, you are dead wrong
10:00 <ross`> i am extremely chivalrous, and i believe in courting
10:00 <ross`> if i am disrespecting anyone i am disrespecting men
10:01 <ross`> because i believe they don't deserve the right to be irresponsible
10:01 <ross`> they should stfu, never cry, never complain about their problems, and be supportive of those that lean on them.
10:01 <ross`> a woman shouldn't have to do anything, her needs should be taken care of
10:01 <ross`> Stereo do you find anything disrespectful to women in those two sentences?
10:02 <Stereo> okay, then you're being disrespectful to men by telling them what to do.
10:02 <ross`> if so i will stop bothering you
10:02 <Stereo> well, there's the presumption that women can't/don't want to take care of their own needs
10:02 <ross`> i am not telling _anyone_ what to do, i am simply expressing my opions and beliefs, which is the purpose of a conversation
10:03 <ross`> statistically they don't!
10:03 <ross`> your shooting the messenger
10:03 <ross`> sure they _can_
10:03 <ross`> i never said women were not capable
10:03 <ross`> can't a man have his opinion?
10:03 <ross`> look, your treating me like i said black people don't deserve rights
10:03 <ross`> this is crazy
10:04 <ross`> why do you take such offence to what i said?
10:05 <ross`> i have never mistreated a woman, not will i. I facilitate their laziness, and deserving attitude towards life.
10:05 <ross`> are you telling me i should tell women no?
10:05 <ross`> in that care you sir are the one saying i should be disrespectful to women
10:05 <ross`> not me
10:06 <ross`> if a woman doesn't want to be treated like a 17 year old girl, all she has to do is get a job and evolve from her youthful mentality. i mean that is a fact of life and something you shouldn't disagree with
10:06 <ross`> what do you think i am saying here?
10:07 <ross`> if a girl is 24 years old, lives with her parents, and spends all of her time partying what should i say?
10:07 <ross`> what do you expect me to say?
10:07 <ross`> i don't see why you take such offence to what i said
10:08 <Stereo> Reflect on it.
10:08 <ross`> all i said in that channel was how america currently is
10:08 <ross`> not how it should be
10:08 <ross`> do you really think i am a bad/rude person?
10:09 <ross`> are you the sort of person who believes that bringing to light a harsh or uncooth reality is taboo?
10:09 <ross`> tell me what i said that was wrong, false, rude.
10:10 <ross`> i am under the assumption that you are a 20+ woman, who spends most of her time partying and has no job, and my comment hit too close to home
10:10 <ross`> also mind you i never said there was anything wrong with immature women, all i said was it is a fact that most women in america do live that life style
10:10 <ross`> and men should accept it
10:10 <ross`> that is ALL i said
10:11 <ross`> if you inferred anything else from that, please forgive me
10:11 <ross`> now will you unban me?
10:13 <ross`> i joined that channel a few days ago under the i guess false assumption that it promoted free respectful thought and debate
10:13 <ross`> i didn't realize that there was a rule against having an opinion
10:14 <ross`> and i would like a second chance to return to the channel
10:14 <ross`> i will make sure to only speak if my opinion is the one everyone else has
10:14 <ross`> i mean you do realize xkcd is a channel based on satire correct..?
10:15 <ross`> how can you ban anyone for their opinion, unless their opinion is that people should die, or certain people should not have the same rights as others
10:15 <ross`> such as racist comments, and such
10:15 <ross`> my comment was nothing of the sort
10:15 <ross`> do you honestly believe that it was?
10:16 <ross`> now, in the past few days that i have been in xkcd, did i say anything else that was innapropriate?
10:17 <Stereo> you can have any opinion you want, it's what you express that's getting you in trouble
10:17 <ross`> if that was the only time you ever disagreed with me and banned me because of it, please accept my apoligy for saying something outside of your personal beleifs and disrespecting you.
10:18 <ross`> please treat this as a warning rather then a permenant ban, as i feel i still have more constructive contributions to make in the channel
10:18 <ross`> what i said was not widely disagreed with, nor anti human.
10:19 <ross`> if i said something racist i would have deserved a permenant ban
10:19 <ross`> i did not disrespect anyone
10:19 <ross`> not did i belittle someone
10:19 <Stereo> it was disagreed with by everyone present, as far as I could tell
10:19 <ross`> nor*
10:19 <ross`> sterio the topic of conversation was not murder or racism!!!!
10:20 <Stereo> sexism is no less bad than racism
10:20 <ross`> you should allow me to have my opinion so far as it doesn't belittle, or disgrace people
10:20 <ross`> i am not a sexist
10:21 <ross`> i did not say anything sexist
10:21 <ross`> well perhaps a little sexist against my own gender
10:21 <ross`> i am male
10:21 <ross`> but men can take someone elses opinion and disagree with it
10:22 <ross`> most of the time when you think of sexism you refer to people disrespecting or not seeing women as equal
10:22 <ross`> if you feel that i somehow implied that women are not equal to men, you are mistaken
10:23 <ross`> do you feel that i implied that women are not equal to men in ANY way?
10:23 <Stereo> yes, and you're persisting in it.
10:23 <ross`> how so, give me an example please
10:24 <ross`> if you take my comment that women should not be allowed access to family finances please keep in mind that the said woman spends all the money she has access to on drugs, alchahol, and partying. alot with toys, and things of amusement.
10:25 <ross`> if you feel that i am sexist because i don't believe that a woman who consumes extasy more than once a week should not have access to all of my money
10:25 <ross`> then yes
10:25 <ross`> very sexist
10:25 <ross`> i am sexist
10:25 <ross`> Stereo seriously, are you crazy!
10:25 <ross`> would you give a woman who does drugs on a consistant basis access to all your money?
10:26 <ross`> and do you feel that a man who doesn't is sexist?
10:26 <ross`> if you answer yes, then i don't contest this ban
10:26 <ross`> wont*
10:27 <ross`> all i said was, that if a woman wants to do drugs on a daily basis, men need to allow it.
10:28 <ross`> how is that sexist?
10:28 <ross`> if i ever have a child, i will not let my drunk and drug abusing wife spend my childrens college fund on more drugs
10:29 <ross`> how is that sexist, tell me how
10:31 <ross`> ?
10:32 <ross`> now i am going to evade my ban now until you respond, because i think that you agree that what i said was not sexist