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  40.     [3/06/2014 3:20:45 PM] Erik Broes: http://store.woodycraft.net/category/69401 <-- makes me
  41.  
  42. sad. … http://store.woodycraft.net/category/102865 pay2win someone? … and really … *really* …
  43.  
  44. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/70774
  45.     [3/06/2014 3:21:51 PM] dillyg10: If only woody were here xD
  46.     [3/06/2014 3:22:08 PM] dillyg10: What the fuck
  47.     [3/06/2014 3:22:24 PM] dillyg10: My android just randomly updated
  48.     [3/06/2014 3:22:26 PM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:50:44 AM Erik Broes]
  49.  
  50. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/69401 <-- makes me sad. …
  51.  
  52. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/102865 pay2win someone? … and really … *really* …
  53.  
  54. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/70774
  55.      
  56.     Yet you gave him a panel at minecon (rofl)
  57.     [3/06/2014 3:22:29 PM] dillyg10: and now it looks nothing like it did 10 minutes ago
  58.     [3/06/2014 3:22:29 PM] dillyg10: fuck you LG
  59.     [3/06/2014 3:22:47 PM] 9gigsofram: hmm
  60.     [3/06/2014 3:22:50 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: not sure how that is related?
  61.     [3/06/2014 3:22:59 PM] 9gigsofram: most of those perks are based on plugins
  62.     [3/06/2014 3:23:24 PM] Drew: Anyways whats teh point of bringing this up again
  63.     [3/06/2014 3:23:30 PM] 9gigsofram: and yea we got over it
  64.     [3/06/2014 3:23:32 PM] Erik Broes: doesn't matter at all, based on plugins or not, you
  65.  
  66. cannot make money with Minecraft without our permission :)
  67.     [3/06/2014 3:23:37 PM] Erik Broes: it truly is that simple :)
  68.     [3/06/2014 3:23:45 PM] Drew: Oh god here we go again
  69.     [3/06/2014 3:24:03 PM] dillyg10: 9gigs, let's save this discussion for the next moon ccle
  70.     [3/06/2014 3:24:16 PM] dillyg10: Some how I have managed to under sleep Erik
  71.     [3/06/2014 3:24:18 PM] 9gigsofram: you cant get me in united arab emirates :P
  72.     [3/06/2014 3:24:20 PM] dillyg10: Which is scary
  73.     [3/06/2014 3:24:21 PM] publicpwner21: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 3:23 PM] Erik Broes:
  74.      
  75.     <<< doesn't matter at all, based on plugins or not, you cannot make money with Minecraft
  76.  
  77. without our permission
  78.     it truly is that simple :)Are you guys going to take down every server in existence then?
  79.  
  80. Kill Minecraft's multiplayer?
  81.     [3/06/2014 3:24:31 PM] dillyg10: Omfg
  82.     [3/06/2014 3:24:36 PM] publicpwner21: Because there is literally not a single minecraft
  83.  
  84. server that does not accept donations or payments of any sort.
  85.     [3/06/2014 3:24:56 PM] Erik Broes: donations are no problem, but only in that purest sense,
  86.  
  87. you get *NOTHING* back for a donation
  88.     [3/06/2014 3:25:03 PM] dillyg10: HEY ERIK! How bout that 1.8 update
  89.     [3/06/2014 3:25:05 PM] Erik Broes: a warm and fuzzy feeling that you helped :)
  90.     [3/06/2014 3:25:05 PM] dillyg10: And all the cool stuff
  91.     [3/06/2014 3:25:08 PM] dillyg10: How's that going?
  92.     [3/06/2014 3:25:17 PM] Erik Broes: dillgy10: you dont want 1.8 out now hehe its really
  93.  
  94. broken
  95.     [3/06/2014 3:25:22 PM] Erik Broes: though ~40% less than yesterday :P
  96.     [3/06/2014 3:25:25 PM] publicpwner21: and how many ten year olds will actually give their
  97.  
  98. parent's money to someone without some sort of benefit to them?
  99.     [3/06/2014 3:25:35 PM] dillyg10: Lol I don't want 1.8 till after summer
  100.     [3/06/2014 3:25:44 PM] dillyg10: Please let me have a vacation xD.
  101.     [3/06/2014 3:25:53 PM] Erik Broes: you'll get 1.7.10 first
  102.     [3/06/2014 3:26:03 PM] dillyg10: Is that seriously going to be a thing?
  103.     [3/06/2014 3:26:07 PM] Erik Broes: yes
  104.     [3/06/2014 3:26:13 PM] dillyg10: That's hilarious
  105.     [3/06/2014 3:26:17 PM] dillyg10: What's going to be in .10
  106.     [3/06/2014 3:26:29 PM] Erik Broes: mostly stuff so we don't need a .11 for realms >.>
  107.     [3/06/2014 3:26:44 PM] dillyg10: Ah so mostly realms crap?
  108.     [3/06/2014 3:26:53 PM] Drew: Yay realms
  109.     [3/06/2014 3:26:56 PM] Drew: The shit no one wants
  110.     [3/06/2014 3:27:01 PM] dillyg10: I like realms :(
  111.     [3/06/2014 3:27:09 PM] Erik Broes: no-one seems to be more than 25000 people though Drew
  112.     [3/06/2014 3:27:29 PM] Drew: how many of those peopel actually play on realms servers
  113.     [3/06/2014 3:27:30 PM] dillyg10: Really, that many in the first month?
  114.     [3/06/2014 3:27:36 PM] Drew: because like me for example
  115.     [3/06/2014 3:27:43 PM] Drew: Someone added me but i've never played on it
  116.     [3/06/2014 3:27:48 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: i think 2.1 on average per server?
  117.     [3/06/2014 3:28:07 PM] dillyg10: Wait, Erik are those people who have played realms
  118.     [3/06/2014 3:28:10 PM] Drew: I highly doubt that
  119.     [3/06/2014 3:28:11 PM] dillyg10: or bought a subscription?
  120.     [3/06/2014 3:28:38 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: feel free to doubt -- dillyg10: both
  121.     [3/06/2014 3:29:01 PM] dillyg10: *quick does math*
  122.     [3/06/2014 3:29:07 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: has anyone ever been fired at mojang?
  123.     [3/06/2014 3:29:12 PM] dillyg10: Good for Mojang Erik :P
  124.     [3/06/2014 3:29:12 PM] Erik Broes: no
  125.     [3/06/2014 3:29:19 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: whynot?
  126.     [3/06/2014 3:29:25 PM] 9gigsofram: i'll be sad to see it go :(
  127.     [3/06/2014 3:29:30 PM] Erik Broes: well not true, one person was let go
  128.     [3/06/2014 3:29:49 PM] Erik Broes: two if you'd count support as well
  129.     [3/06/2014 3:30:40 PM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: we'll see how 'good' retention is after the
  130.  
  131. first 6 months -- we seem to be reaching our target audience at least which is great
  132.     [3/06/2014 3:31:07 PM] dillyg10: I think if it starts to slow down, you guys should
  133.  
  134. seriously considering having one-night-stand servers
  135.     [3/06/2014 3:31:26 PM] dillyg10: There really have been times where i've wanted a realm for
  136.  
  137. probably about a day just to fuck around with friends
  138.     [3/06/2014 3:31:45 PM] Erik Broes: doing micro-transactions around realms is not really
  139.  
  140. interesting
  141.     [3/06/2014 3:31:55 PM] 9gigsofram: just create a saved image on digital ocean
  142.     [3/06/2014 3:31:57 PM] dillyg10: Eh, profit wise it probably won't do well
  143.     [3/06/2014 3:32:05 PM | Edited 3:32:08 PM] 9gigsofram: and restore the backup to make a
  144.  
  145. droplet when you want to play
  146.     [3/06/2014 3:32:11 PM] dillyg10: But, I mean it'll make users happy
  147.     [3/06/2014 3:32:14 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 2:02 AM, 9gigsofram wrote:
  148.     > and restore the backup to make a droplet when you want to play
  149.      
  150.     But... lazy
  151.     [3/06/2014 3:32:24 PM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: every transaction comes with 'more work'
  152.     [3/06/2014 3:32:30 PM] dillyg10: mmm
  153.     [3/06/2014 3:32:33 PM] dillyg10: understood :P
  154.     [3/06/2014 3:32:37 PM] 9gigsofram: i thought the money didnt matter though :P
  155.     [3/06/2014 3:32:54 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't but keeping support free from '$1'-chargeback
  156.  
  157. whines is :P
  158.     [3/06/2014 3:32:56 PM] dillyg10: obviously I'm not sitting at the table of neck beards
  159.  
  160. deciding at Mojang, just a thought from the perspective of dilly
  161.     [3/06/2014 3:33:06 PM] 9gigsofram: yea that'd suck
  162.     [3/06/2014 3:33:55 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: so is 3d printing minecraft related stuff agenst
  163.  
  164. the tos?
  165.     [3/06/2014 3:34:01 PM] Erik Broes: depends what you print
  166.     [3/06/2014 3:34:15 PM] Erik Broes: and at what volume
  167.     [3/06/2014 3:34:26 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: volume?
  168.     [3/06/2014 3:34:31 PM] Erik Broes: how many of em?
  169.     [3/06/2014 3:34:39 PM] dillyg10: Yes, Erik if I make a jumbo size mine craft cup cake
  170.     [3/06/2014 3:34:46 PM] dillyg10: will I be violating your EULA or TOS?
  171.     [3/06/2014 3:34:57 PM] 9gigsofram: i'd assume personal use no
  172.     [3/06/2014 3:34:57 PM] Erik Broes: that is fine, if you sell them on ebay it is not :P
  173.     [3/06/2014 3:34:59 PM] 9gigsofram: selling yes
  174.     [3/06/2014 3:35:00 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: like a customized pickaxe with the players name
  175.  
  176. on it
  177.     [3/06/2014 3:35:23 PM] Erik Broes: Haxtor: our pickaxe? then you know the answer -- not
  178.  
  179. allowed
  180.     [3/06/2014 3:35:26 PM] 9gigsofram: how about if i made a cad file for 3d printers
  181.     [3/06/2014 3:35:31 PM] 9gigsofram: and published it
  182.     [3/06/2014 3:35:40 PM] Erik Broes: someone can just print it at home
  183.     [3/06/2014 3:35:40 PM] 9gigsofram: so people could download and print thier own :P
  184.     [3/06/2014 3:35:43 PM] publicpwner21: what if I make a voxel shaped cupcake?
  185.     [3/06/2014 3:35:50 PM] publicpwner21: will that be against minecraft's tos?
  186.     [3/06/2014 3:35:52 PM] Erik Broes: not sell it :P
  187.     [3/06/2014 3:35:57 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: don't sell it ;)
  188.     [3/06/2014 3:36:02 PM] publicpwner21: or whatever rules you guys make
  189.     [3/06/2014 3:36:13 PM] publicpwner21: so you guys copyrighted voxel shaped objects?
  190.     [3/06/2014 3:36:14 PM] dillyg10: Hmm
  191.     [3/06/2014 3:36:20 PM] dillyg10: Okay, here's a scenario
  192.     [3/06/2014 3:36:26 PM | Removed 3:40:36 PM] dillyg10: This message has been removed.
  193.     [3/06/2014 3:36:29 PM] 9gigsofram: technically mojang doesnt own the concept of a voxel
  194.     [3/06/2014 3:36:29 PM | Removed 3:40:38 PM] dillyg10: This message has been removed.
  195.     [3/06/2014 3:36:33 PM] dillyg10: Am I violating your TOS?
  196.     [3/06/2014 3:36:38 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: no?
  197.     [3/06/2014 3:36:52 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: as long as its not intersecting with the
  198.  
  199. Minecraft domain, do whatever, when it is -- follow our branding rules
  200.     [3/06/2014 3:36:55 PM] 9gigsofram: don't trap people mason :P
  201.     [3/06/2014 3:38:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: what about arduino based bluetooth watches that
  202.  
  203. let players see what time it is on your server player health, friends online list, weather, eco
  204.  
  205. bal?
  206.     [3/06/2014 3:39:20 PM] publicpwner21: but you told me that I can't sell my voxel shaped
  207.  
  208. cupcakes, even though it might not have anything to do with minecraft, there aren't even any
  209.  
  210. cupcakes in minecraft.
  211.     [3/06/2014 3:39:25 PM] Erik Broes: Haxtor: perfectly fine as long as you do not plaster
  212.  
  213. minecraft over it :P
  214.     [3/06/2014 3:39:31 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: sigh -- yes that was mistaken -- i misread it
  215.     [3/06/2014 3:39:41 PM] Erik Broes: it's really simple, if you have to ask the answer is no
  216.     [3/06/2014 3:39:55 PM] Erik Broes: if the answer should be yes and you still ask -- you are
  217.  
  218. stupid
  219.     [3/06/2014 3:40:14 PM] publicpwner21: okay. are we allowed to plaster craftmine over it?
  220.     [3/06/2014 3:40:17 PM] publicpwner21: aw okay. :C
  221.     [3/06/2014 3:40:25 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: The game that shal not be named Player stat
  222.  
  223. watch :)
  224.     [3/06/2014 3:41:09 PM] dillyg10: I'm curios why you guys don't go after those ridiculous
  225.  
  226. apps on the app store
  227.     [3/06/2014 3:41:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: yeah
  228.     [3/06/2014 3:41:25 PM] dillyg10: That are like "Here is mine craft with guns, we use the
  229.  
  230. exact same textures and mechanics"
  231.     [3/06/2014 3:41:38 PM] publicpwner21: lol ikr
  232.     [3/06/2014 3:41:38 PM] dillyg10: I mean I've seen a lot of them that blatantly take your
  233.  
  234. artwork
  235.     [3/06/2014 3:41:44 PM] publicpwner21: there's literally hundreds of minecraft remakes
  236.     [3/06/2014 3:41:51 PM] publicpwner21: and they actually get millions of downloads
  237.     [3/06/2014 3:42:42 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: what baout not selling the items but "gifting
  238.  
  239. them" as pbs puts it. for large donations
  240.     [3/06/2014 3:43:08 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: #spelluingsucksat2am
  241.     [3/06/2014 3:49:27 PM] dillyg10: lol
  242.     [3/06/2014 3:49:38 PM] dillyg10: That's where we end the convo :)
  243.     [3/06/2014 4:01:36 PM | Removed 4:03:05 PM] Harry: This message has been removed.
  244.     [3/06/2014 4:05:37 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: Haxtor Moogle Kupo gets the reward for
  245.  
  246. conversation killer
  247.     [3/06/2014 4:08:46 PM] Tomographics: dam i missed the weekly debate on Minecraft and
  248.  
  249. donations.
  250.     [3/06/2014 4:09:50 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: lets make it a daily thing :D
  251.     [3/06/2014 4:10:42 PM] Tomographics: No, lets just wait to see what Mojang does first.
  252.     [3/06/2014 4:11:21 PM] Harry: Whats the debate about?
  253.     [3/06/2014 4:19:01 PM] Tomographics: Server owners selling items ranks etc.
  254.     [3/06/2014 4:26:54 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: Anyone here have the MinePlex code that
  255.  
  256. was leaked? I'm interested in what's going on.
  257.     [3/06/2014 4:27:01 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: Or what's happened, rather.
  258.     [3/06/2014 4:27:09 PM] Erik Broes: mineplex code leaked?
  259.     [3/06/2014 4:27:12 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: Yes.
  260.     [3/06/2014 4:27:22 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: I have some.
  261.     [3/06/2014 4:27:24 PM] Tomographics: Hacked and ddosed i think.
  262.     [3/06/2014 4:27:38 PM] Tomographics: http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/mineplex-plugins-
  263.  
  264. leaked.20111/
  265.     [3/06/2014 4:27:55 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: Yeah.
  266.     [3/06/2014 4:28:03 PM] Sox: and ddosed? (facepalm)
  267.     [3/06/2014 4:28:08 PM] Sox: im sure they get ddosed every day
  268.     [3/06/2014 4:28:20 PM] Drew: like
  269.     [3/06/2014 4:28:22 PM] Drew: ddosed offline
  270.     [3/06/2014 4:28:32 PM] Drew: https://twitter.com/lelddos
  271.     [3/06/2014 4:28:35 PM] Tomographics: ^
  272.     [3/06/2014 4:32:21 PM] Sox: such haker
  273.     [3/06/2014 4:32:27 PM] Sox: much w :O w
  274.     [3/06/2014 4:32:58 PM] Erik Broes: http://putin2stronk.com/
  275.     [3/06/2014 4:33:21 PM] Erik Broes: enjoy ;)
  276.     [3/06/2014 4:35:45 PM] Tomographics: Hey Erik two weeks until Mineapalooza! I hope your
  277.  
  278. attending the non booked venue...
  279.     [3/06/2014 4:36:26 PM] Erik Broes: why would I attend anything that is not Minecon? ;D
  280.     [3/06/2014 4:36:45 PM] Tomographics: haha. Because you could attend something of an even
  281.  
  282. higher quality.
  283.     [3/06/2014 4:37:06 PM] Tomographics: Wordpress websites, non booked venues and more.
  284.     [3/06/2014 4:37:14 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: anyone got a download link of the plugins?
  285.     [3/06/2014 4:37:31 PM] Erik Broes: i just gave that Haxtor
  286.     [3/06/2014 4:38:14 PM] Tomographics: Hey Erik, can i get permission to sell Minecraft
  287.  
  288. related stuff for my server?
  289.     [3/06/2014 4:38:33 PM] Erik Broes: Tomo: brands@mojang.com -- and the answer is likely no
  290.  
  291. :P
  292.     [3/06/2014 4:38:49 PM] Tomographics: haha. They never respond to emails. :(
  293.     [3/06/2014 4:41:43 PM] Erik Broes: quite some data from mineplex
  294.     [3/06/2014 4:42:12 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: erik you should sue them
  295.     [3/06/2014 4:42:25 PM] Erik Broes: for what?
  296.     [3/06/2014 4:42:43 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: violating tos :)
  297.     [3/06/2014 4:43:23 PM | Edited 4:43:45 PM] Mario: .
  298.     [3/06/2014 4:43:27 PM] Erik Broes: aren't they down? ;D
  299.     [3/06/2014 4:45:20 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: hmm could that leaked data be used in court?
  300.     [3/06/2014 4:46:15 PM] Sox: i'll use u in court (worry)
  301.     [3/06/2014 4:46:38 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: mojang v minepex
  302.     [3/06/2014 4:46:44 PM] Mario: what part of the tos are they violating
  303.     [3/06/2014 4:46:48 PM] Sox: minepex :O!
  304.     [3/06/2014 4:46:51 PM] Erik Broes: making money of minecraft :P
  305.     [3/06/2014 4:47:18 PM] Mario: well hell
  306.     [3/06/2014 4:47:21 PM] Mario: sue every server owner
  307.     [3/06/2014 4:47:22 PM] Mario: ever
  308.     [3/06/2014 4:47:33 PM] Sox: there are lots of people violating your tos
  309.     [3/06/2014 4:47:36 PM] Sox: how does that make you feel
  310.     [3/06/2014 4:47:44 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: naw just the big ones
  311.     [3/06/2014 4:48:07 PM] Mario: any server with a buycraft store ?
  312.     [3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: naw just the ones making a unholly profit off
  313.  
  314. mojang
  315.     [3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Mario: and no, i dont think you could use any of that data in court
  316.     [3/06/2014 4:49:50 PM] Mario: its all illegally obtained
  317.     [3/06/2014 4:50:09 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: not if it was by one of thier employees
  318.     [3/06/2014 4:50:31 PM] 9gigsofram: he feels mad enough to leak thier database dumps
  319.     [3/06/2014 4:50:34 PM] 9gigsofram: lol
  320.     [3/06/2014 4:50:35 PM] Tomographics: Means they could probs take the youtubers to court.
  321.     [3/06/2014 4:51:04 PM | Edited 4:51:08 PM] Harry: Mineplex wants to take people to court
  322.  
  323. over their plugins?
  324.     [3/06/2014 4:51:53 PM] Sox: i wouldnt doubt it, look how much they make from their server
  325.     [3/06/2014 4:52:03 PM] Mario: millions
  326.     [3/06/2014 4:52:10 PM] Sox: its not a hobby, its a fulltime job, they are making more than
  327.  
  328. most people
  329.     [3/06/2014 4:52:47 PM] 9gigsofram: er i dont think they'd bother
  330.     [3/06/2014 4:52:53 PM] 9gigsofram: would create to much drama
  331.     [3/06/2014 4:52:58 PM] Mario: ^ that
  332.     [3/06/2014 4:53:03 PM] 9gigsofram: and they are more interested in just geting everything
  333.  
  334. fixed
  335.     [3/06/2014 4:53:22 PM] 9gigsofram: other people having thier plugins wont impact thier
  336.  
  337. server that much
  338.     [3/06/2014 4:53:32 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: mojang sueing mineplex would generate so much
  339.  
  340. publicity
  341.     [3/06/2014 4:53:42 PM] Sox: they probably wont, but its not one of those little "you
  342.  
  343. charged back im taking this to court" moments where they obviously wont waste their time on it,
  344.  
  345. its a lot bigger
  346.     [3/06/2014 4:54:12 PM] 9gigsofram: well now mineplex has somthing to use against mojang
  347.     [3/06/2014 4:54:15 PM | Edited 4:54:33 PM] Harry: Wait, mojang wants to sue mineplex?
  348.     [3/06/2014 4:54:20 PM] 9gigsofram: even if it's small
  349.     [3/06/2014 4:54:54 PM] 9gigsofram: erik leaked thier data :P
  350.     [3/06/2014 4:55:21 PM] Sox: wut
  351.     [3/06/2014 4:55:38 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: better would be if mojang blocked mineplexes
  352.  
  353. auth to thier servers :D
  354.     [3/06/2014 4:55:45 PM] Sox: :O
  355.     [3/06/2014 4:55:55 PM] 9gigsofram: then mineplex would become the largest cracked server :P
  356.     [3/06/2014 4:56:16 PM] Harry: Can anyone help me with some html?
  357.     [3/06/2014 4:56:18 PM] 9gigsofram: or you block auth for the wrong server
  358.     [3/06/2014 4:56:21 PM] Mason // PixelPrison: no
  359.     [3/06/2014 4:56:23 PM] Harry: It is causing me too much pain
  360.     [3/06/2014 4:56:24 PM] 9gigsofram: "if i cannot have auth nobody can"
  361.     [3/06/2014 4:56:25 PM] Tomographics: I thought there was already a considerable amount of
  362.  
  363. cracked servers
  364.     [3/06/2014 4:56:27 PM] Mario: yeah whats up harry
  365.     [3/06/2014 4:56:40 PM] 9gigsofram: then boom 200gbit attack
  366.     [3/06/2014 4:56:54 PM] Harry: Mario, just sent you a request to keep it out of this chat
  367.     [3/06/2014 4:59:04 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: how big is the mineplex_node.tar.gz?
  368.     [3/06/2014 4:59:22 PM] 9gigsofram: maybe a few gb
  369.     [3/06/2014 4:59:25 PM] 9gigsofram: check the file size
  370.     [3/06/2014 4:59:29 PM] Sox: http://puu.sh/9cXwa/ddc5b69a50.png lel
  371.     [3/06/2014 4:59:42 PM] Sox: still goin stronk
  372.     [3/06/2014 4:59:50 PM] Sox: 8.9GB now
  373.     [3/06/2014 5:00:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 2558584914 bytes..
  374.     [3/06/2014 5:01:24 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: i wonder if they overflowed the index page lol
  375.     [3/06/2014 5:02:29 PM] Sox: 10GB man dis is big
  376.     [3/06/2014 5:09:49 PM] Mario: Sox
  377.     [3/06/2014 5:09:56 PM] Mario: wget
  378.     [3/06/2014 5:11:46 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  379.  
  380. http://i.gyazo.com/bb246463776ca34d0e751c804b733086.png
  381.     [3/06/2014 5:11:53 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: holly crap
  382.     [3/06/2014 5:12:31 PM] 9gigsofram: #cloudflare
  383.     [3/06/2014 5:13:20 PM] Sox: wat
  384.     [3/06/2014 5:13:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: ?
  385.     [3/06/2014 5:13:46 PM] 9gigsofram: cloudflare is probably caching the download
  386.     [3/06/2014 5:14:09 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: want to send me a copy 9gigs?
  387.     [3/06/2014 5:14:18 PM] 9gigsofram: of cloudflare?
  388.     [3/06/2014 5:14:33 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: no the plugins dump (cat)
  389.     [3/06/2014 5:14:37 PM] 9gigsofram: i dont have it
  390.     [3/06/2014 5:14:56 PM] Sox: 6.2 MB/s - 15.4 GB
  391.     [3/06/2014 5:15:51 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: it is about 19 gigs
  392.     [3/06/2014 5:16:11 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 19.1
  393.     [3/06/2014 5:16:42 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: @100mb/s
  394.     [3/06/2014 5:16:45 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: :D
  395.     [3/06/2014 5:17:08 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: O.o is this worlds too
  396.     [3/06/2014 5:20:24 PM | Edited 5:21:01 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: (swear)
  397.     [3/06/2014 5:21:04 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik, when you're around I want to thank you for
  398.  
  399. the WoW culture which will be emerging
  400.     [3/06/2014 5:21:45 PM] 9gigsofram: personally this wont change anything for me, i'll just
  401.  
  402. be taking the cloudflare attitude
  403.     [3/06/2014 5:22:13 PM | Edited 5:22:28 PM] 9gigsofram: "i do not host the content so i am
  404.  
  405. not responsible , report has been forwarded to the destination host"
  406.     [3/06/2014 5:23:05 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: someone should make a torrent
  407.     [3/06/2014 5:23:26 PM] Sox: 17.8GB it finished :D
  408.     [3/06/2014 5:23:35 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I kinda want bullet proof ddos prot
  409.     [3/06/2014 5:23:55 PM] 9gigsofram: well cloudflare already does that
  410.     [3/06/2014 5:24:07 PM] 9gigsofram: it's fairly easy to do with antiddos since you dont host
  411.  
  412. the content
  413.     [3/06/2014 5:24:10 PM] 9gigsofram: you are only a pass through
  414.     [3/06/2014 5:24:39 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: what happens if the message gets lost?
  415.     [3/06/2014 5:24:43 PM] 9gigsofram: you'd still need a destination host that tolerates it,
  416.  
  417. good payment processing, and a company owner in uae
  418.     [3/06/2014 5:24:55 PM] 9gigsofram: inorder to cover my butt i'd actually need to forward
  419.  
  420. the message :P
  421.     [3/06/2014 5:25:06 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: hahah
  422.     [3/06/2014 5:25:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I can help with UAE
  423.     [3/06/2014 5:35:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: sox mine finised at 19.1 gigs :/
  424.     [3/06/2014 5:35:39 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 19141734400 bytes
  425.     [3/06/2014 5:36:33 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: omg is it really 25585849141734400 bytes O.o
  426.     [3/06/2014 5:37:28 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: sox your download valid?
  427.     [3/06/2014 5:39:59 PM | Edited 5:40:34 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Oh Erik, just a quick question
  428.  
  429. hows the PR team? I can just see:
  430.     "Child sued for playing a computer game with friends"
  431.     [3/06/2014 5:41:52 PM] Sox: ya
  432.     [3/06/2014 5:41:58 PM] Sox: its all here
  433.     [3/06/2014 5:42:18 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: whats yours size in bytes?
  434.     [3/06/2014 5:46:30 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: is it Bytes bits niggabytes bites ?
  435.     [3/06/2014 5:47:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: niggabyte is how much you can fit on a dvd
  436.     [3/06/2014 5:48:27 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: fuck me its 4am
  437.     [3/06/2014 6:21:20 PM | Edited 6:21:23 PM] ilucamc: Why is there a video called How to play
  438.  
  439. MINEPLEX?
  440.     [3/06/2014 6:50:24 PM] Tomographics: Its a joke. Its pretty funny.
  441.     [3/06/2014 9:04:23 PM | Removed 9:47:38 PM] dithrlos: This message has been removed.
  442.     [3/06/2014 9:21:00 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik didn't like selling unbans (among other things)
  443.  
  444. but I'm not sure he's thought it through.  From my perspective they aren't a profit center.
  445.  
  446. They are easily under 1% of sales.  But the challenge is what do you do with a cheater that's
  447.  
  448. spent a lot of money at your server? Do you really ban them the first time they use a mini-map
  449.  
  450. client without a way for them to get back?
  451.      
  452.     The charge is designed to be a slap on the wrist that makes them want to not want to do it
  453.  
  454. again.
  455.     [3/06/2014 9:24:56 PM] 9gigsofram: often they'll just buy a new minecraft account also
  456.     [3/06/2014 9:26:28 PM] WoodysGamertag: When we give out the "permaban" we also ban all the
  457.  
  458. accounts that shared IPs. It's actually pretty rare that somebody gets all three strikes.  They
  459.  
  460. either stop cheating or they tone it down enough not to get caught.
  461.     [3/06/2014 9:31:24 PM] Erik Broes: We had a nice discussion at the office. Most likely
  462.  
  463. we'll have a handful of points in our new EULA and that should be enough to tame the bad stuff.
  464.     [3/06/2014 9:32:23 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: this will be interesting see happen
  465.     [3/06/2014 9:32:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik has mojang employed a PR department for this?
  466.  
  467. so you still  look like a loverly 7 year olds game development company who is all nice?
  468.     [3/06/2014 9:34:33 PM] WoodysGamertag: I'm not sure what the "bad stuff" is.  I assume
  469.  
  470. selling in game items?
  471.     [3/06/2014 9:35:27 PM] WoodysGamertag: Unbans are more an act of kindness. The alternative
  472.  
  473. is issuing the death penalty at the first offense.
  474.     [3/06/2014 9:36:26 PM] dithrlos: ^actually a fair way to look at things
  475.     [3/06/2014 9:36:37 PM] dithrlos: that's why using temp bans are also effective.
  476.     [3/06/2014 9:38:37 PM] WoodysGamertag: Yeah, there are some guys that I'd love to ban on
  477.  
  478. the first offense but don't because we try to make our "justice system" equal and fair to
  479.  
  480. everybody.  The only exception is certain player to player interactions like IRL money
  481.  
  482. scamming, racism, etc.
  483.     [3/06/2014 9:46:34 PM] WoodysGamertag: Also, I saw Reno was angry because I pay my staff.
  484.  
  485. That's actually something I'm proud of. My father owned a small business and I worked there
  486.  
  487. when I was young. (the 90's).  After I left I realized how generous his retirement plan was.
  488.  
  489. When I asked him about it he said, "Well, the firm does pretty well and I think it's important
  490.  
  491. to share it with the people that helped get it there."
  492.      
  493.     I could pocket a lot more than I do.  I have fans that would write code and build for free.
  494.  
  495.  I send money to guys that didn't ask for it and most of my staff started off doing it for
  496.  
  497. free.  They just became too helpful for me to keep accepting their work and not paying for it.
  498.  
  499. They earned appreciation and money is how companies say, "Thank you."
  500.      
  501.     Paying people isn't bad, it's the way a good business gives back.
  502.     [3/06/2014 9:48:52 PM] dithrlos: ^^^^
  503.     [3/06/2014 9:49:01 PM] dithrlos: the amount of correctness in that statement.
  504.     [3/06/2014 9:52:51 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, enough from me for now. Time to drive the kids
  505.  
  506. to school.
  507.     [3/06/2014 9:53:54 PM] dithrlos: have fun! tell collin he's awesome and tell hope to kick
  508.  
  509. ass today XD
  510.     [3/06/2014 10:02:31 PM] dillyg10: See Erik… and Woody does make a great point. Minecraft
  511.  
  512. provides a lively hood for some people. It's inspired thousands of young developers,
  513.  
  514. architects, business managers, and sysadmins alike. I honestly would have learned NOTHING about
  515.  
  516. the world I know today without Minecraft teaching me that. I'm 16 years old, and I know more
  517.  
  518. about programming than most 30 year old IT guys, and that's a blessing. The profit is the icing
  519.  
  520. on the cake, but it's the motive that drives us to say "hey, maybe instead of fucking around on
  521.  
  522. Diablo, let's work on something great."
  523.     [3/06/2014 10:04:00 PM] Erik Broes: It actually matters nothing if you build a business
  524.  
  525. around this
  526.     [3/06/2014 10:04:22 PM] Erik Broes: You can build a business around anything that isn't
  527.  
  528. allowed -- you are not allowed to complain about it when someone stops you from doing so.
  529.     [3/06/2014 10:04:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  530.     [3/06/2014 10:04:53 PM] Erik Broes: You should also not run a server for 'profits' -- it
  531.  
  532. should be to offer a nice experience for the users on it
  533.     [3/06/2014 10:04:54 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: I'm not going to sit here and tell
  534.  
  535. you you're retarded or anything
  536.     [3/06/2014 10:05:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: but please just sit here and
  537.  
  538. listen to this
  539.     [3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just for a moment.
  540.     [3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Erik Broes: Except that you just did by still talking now
  541.     [3/06/2014 10:05:20 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't put words in my mouth.
  542.     [3/06/2014 10:05:36 PM] Erik Broes: Erm, you said it; its like saying: "I don't mean to
  543.  
  544. offend you but …."
  545.     [3/06/2014 10:05:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: minecraft relies on it's servers,
  546.  
  547. and on youtubers.
  548.     [3/06/2014 10:05:50 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't
  549.     [3/06/2014 10:05:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yes it does.
  550.     [3/06/2014 10:05:58 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik
  551.     [3/06/2014 10:06:00 PM] Erik Broes: Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a day
  552.     [3/06/2014 10:06:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: k
  553.     [3/06/2014 10:06:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you don't understand
  554.     [3/06/2014 10:06:17 PM | Edited 10:06:25 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you know full well, that
  555.  
  556. sprarkelz and yogscast kicked off minecraft properly
  557.     [3/06/2014 10:06:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it wouldn't HAVE that support
  558.  
  559. without servers and youtube
  560.     [3/06/2014 10:06:27 PM] Erik Broes: no you don't understand that you cannot just 'say
  561.  
  562. things' and magically 'turn them into truths' without actually having facts to back it up
  563.     [3/06/2014 10:06:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: there are facts to back it up.
  564.     [3/06/2014 10:06:52 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I don't care enough to prove you wrong on that
  565.     [3/06/2014 10:06:53 PM] Erik Broes: Oh, you have numbers that we cannot obtain? let us know
  566.  
  567. please.
  568.     [3/06/2014 10:06:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i've been in this business just as
  569.  
  570. long as you erik
  571.     [3/06/2014 10:07:07 PM] Erik Broes: And that is where you go wrong
  572.     [3/06/2014 10:07:10 PM] Erik Broes: its not a business
  573.     [3/06/2014 10:07:16 PM] Erik Broes: running servers is *NOT* A BUSINESS*
  574.     [3/06/2014 10:07:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: (facepalm)
  575.     [3/06/2014 10:07:29 PM] dillyg10: Erik, look my point is this. Minecraft server
  576.  
  577. profitability does more good than harm.
  578.     [3/06/2014 10:07:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: that's not what i was saying
  579.     [3/06/2014 10:07:38 PM] Erik Broes: you *cannot* create your business around something you
  580.  
  581. are not allowed to make profit on -- well you can, but you'd be rather daft
  582.     [3/06/2014 10:07:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik
  583.     [3/06/2014 10:07:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: out of interest
  584.     [3/06/2014 10:07:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: this is like arguing against a
  585.  
  586. brick wall.
  587.     [3/06/2014 10:08:02 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is mojang prepared to attack EVERY server which
  588.  
  589. has a donation system?
  590.     [3/06/2014 10:08:06 PM] Erik Broes: No
  591.     [3/06/2014 10:08:12 PM] Erik Broes: Donations are allowed by our EULA
  592.     [3/06/2014 10:08:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  593.     [3/06/2014 10:08:27 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: as you can't pick and chose who to take down
  594.     [3/06/2014 10:08:32 PM] Erik Broes: but we'll most likely hack down on the fact that most
  595.  
  596. people give 'perks' for donations -- which under almost all laws makes it a purchase
  597.     [3/06/2014 10:09:00 PM] dillyg10: Erik, people don't see the point of donating for a cause
  598.  
  599. that isn't a charity
  600.     [3/06/2014 10:09:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you do realize that if mojang
  601.  
  602. starts hitting down these servers people won't stand for it. minecraft won't last for more then
  603.  
  604. 5 more months
  605.     [3/06/2014 10:09:08 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik you know how many issues blizzard had with
  606.  
  607. this?
  608.     [3/06/2014 10:09:11 PM] dillyg10: You're going to loose large constructed servers like
  609.  
  610. Hypixel
  611.     [3/06/2014 10:09:15 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: when the did it with WoW
  612.     [3/06/2014 10:09:20 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: lol stop making these retarded wild accusations
  613.     [3/06/2014 10:09:34 PM] dillyg10: That retain such high player counts because they create
  614.  
  615. something that's full, beautiful and amazing and helps retain players into the game.
  616.     [3/06/2014 10:09:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  617.     [3/06/2014 10:09:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Jake this is kinda wild :P
  618.     [3/06/2014 10:09:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i'd like to speak to your
  619.  
  620. supervisor
  621.     [3/06/2014 10:09:50 PM] Erik Broes: I don't see how having 10k people is 'worth' anything
  622.     [3/06/2014 10:09:59 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: trust me you dont hahaha
  623.     [3/06/2014 10:10:01 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Status? Ego?
  624.     [3/06/2014 10:10:16 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik is Partick your supervisor on these matters?
  625.     [3/06/2014 10:10:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: for misrepresenting mojang and
  626.  
  627. verbally attacking an individual.
  628.     [3/06/2014 10:10:24 PM] Erik Broes: Max: no
  629.     [3/06/2014 10:10:27 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  630.  
  631. http://gyazo.com/2a0055324fd1d8a39251b18de0d3a80d
  632.     [3/06/2014 10:10:29 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: actually does he still work at mojang as the
  633.  
  634. business manager
  635.     [3/06/2014 10:10:33 PM | Edited 10:10:50 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is it work me skpying him?
  636.     [3/06/2014 10:10:41 PM] Erik Broes: I'm not verbally attacking anything :)
  637.     [3/06/2014 10:10:54 PM] Erik Broes: also, i said your accusations are retarded; not that
  638.  
  639. *YOU* are retarded
  640.     [3/06/2014 10:10:59 PM] Erik Broes: biiig difference
  641.     [3/06/2014 10:11:03 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: not very
  642.     [3/06/2014 10:11:07 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: be careful fine lines there :P
  643.     [3/06/2014 10:11:19 PM] Erik Broes: oh yes, i make sure not to cross those lines ;)
  644.     [3/06/2014 10:11:21 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: if I represent those statements
  645.  
  646. completely
  647.     [3/06/2014 10:11:26 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik, is Patrick a good person to talk to about
  648.  
  649. this?
  650.     [3/06/2014 10:11:34 PM] Erik Broes: Max: if you want to have a worse experience than me?
  651.  
  652. nope :P
  653.     [3/06/2014 10:11:39 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: whatever not worth continuing that
  654.     [3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and erik
  655.     [3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM | Edited 10:11:55 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: will he have a thicker brick
  656.  
  657. wall?
  658.     [3/06/2014 10:11:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: can we get a better experience?
  659.     [3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Erik Broes: Just for funsies, both Nathan and I have a less extreme
  660.  
  661. vision for the future than the rest of us here if i were to go by the meeting we had this
  662.  
  663. morning
  664.     [3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Craig Egerton: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:05 PM] Erik Broes:
  665.      
  666.     <<< Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a daythink about how many of those accounts log in to
  667.  
  668. multiplayer, even on XBLA
  669.     [3/06/2014 10:12:18 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or a direction to a new game that
  670.  
  671. will support us?
  672.     [3/06/2014 10:12:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can I come visit? and listen in?:P
  673.     [3/06/2014 10:12:30 PM] Erik Broes: Max: you'll get the news 'asap'
  674.     [3/06/2014 10:12:39 PM] Erik Broes: but hey, that's what they said to me 7mths ago
  675.     [3/06/2014 10:12:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  676.     [3/06/2014 10:12:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: tell us this
  677.     [3/06/2014 10:12:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: i've always known it was going to happen
  678.     [3/06/2014 10:13:02 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: well it's always been obvious
  679.     [3/06/2014 10:13:12 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: are we in a spot where we're going
  680.  
  681. to have to pull our investments and leave?
  682.     [3/06/2014 10:13:13 PM] Erik Broes: Keep in mind, nothing is changing -- we're just making
  683.  
  684. it more clear what you *can* and cannot do
  685.     [3/06/2014 10:13:25 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: if you have done your investments in a wrong
  686.  
  687. thing, probably
  688.     [3/06/2014 10:13:31 PM] Erik Broes: you can still make money, just not the way you are
  689.  
  690. doing it now
  691.     [3/06/2014 10:13:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you CANNOT sell in game perks basiclly
  692.     [3/06/2014 10:13:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so selling builds is illegal?
  693.     [3/06/2014 10:13:47 PM] Erik Broes: we'll actually explicitly *LET* you make money in what
  694.  
  695. we discussed this morning
  696.     [3/06/2014 10:13:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just wondering
  697.     [3/06/2014 10:14:14 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: am I getting the right idea there?
  698.     [3/06/2014 10:14:15 PM] Erik Broes: so in fact the new 'thing' is better than the old --
  699.  
  700. which explicitly says you *CANNOT* make money
  701.     [3/06/2014 10:14:34 PM] Erik Broes: Max: replace perks with 'anything'
  702.     [3/06/2014 10:14:40 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ok
  703.     [3/06/2014 10:14:45 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: that's fine by me
  704.     [3/06/2014 10:14:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so basically mc's done
  705.     [3/06/2014 10:14:56 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: good to know
  706.     [3/06/2014 10:15:01 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: why? nothing changes?
  707.     [3/06/2014 10:15:03 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I'll be changing my business model
  708.     [3/06/2014 10:15:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: "buisness model"
  709.     [3/06/2014 10:15:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way of funding my server
  710.     [3/06/2014 10:15:53 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: anyway Erik, that has cleared up some issues
  711.     [3/06/2014 10:15:59 PM] dillyg10: O_o
  712.     [3/06/2014 10:16:01 PM] Erik Broes: We'll give you a way to fund your server besides
  713.  
  714. donations -- or at least that is our idea sofar
  715.     [3/06/2014 10:16:05 PM | Edited 10:16:12 PM] dillyg10: What other way do you think of doing
  716.  
  717. it?
  718.     [3/06/2014 10:16:06 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ad system?
  719.     [3/06/2014 10:16:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way to stop people for making thousands and only a
  720.  
  721. little just enough to pay for servers
  722.     [3/06/2014 10:16:55 PM] Erik Broes: meh I cannot go into it more right now
  723.     [3/06/2014 10:17:05 PM] Erik Broes: because nothing is actually decided upon
  724.     [3/06/2014 10:17:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha a :P referal links for realms
  725.     [3/06/2014 10:17:11 PM] Erik Broes: and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context
  726.     [3/06/2014 10:17:11 PM] dillyg10: Understood :P
  727.     [3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] dillyg10: Just keep us in the look when you can Erik
  728.     [3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 8:47 AM, Erik Broes
  729.  
  730. wrote:
  731.     > and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context
  732.      
  733.     (heart)
  734.     [3/06/2014 10:17:51 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't feed the trolls erik, don't
  735.  
  736. feed the trolls.
  737.     [3/06/2014 10:17:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: rule number 1.
  738.     [3/06/2014 10:17:56 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: As long as it's opt in / out I Don't care
  739.     [3/06/2014 10:18:13 PM] dillyg10: And also keep in mind how many people here really love
  740.  
  741. the game, and really love what we have the oppruntunity to do with the game :).
  742.     [3/06/2014 10:18:20 PM] Erik Broes: we're not going to be trackign anything of this
  743.     [3/06/2014 10:18:25 PM] Erik Broes: we are not interested in that
  744.     [3/06/2014 10:18:56 PM] Erik Broes: if you are on a server, your experience should be the
  745.  
  746. same as every other player
  747.     [3/06/2014 10:18:57 PM] Erik Broes: we just do not want people to mix the pools of 'paying
  748.  
  749. people' and 'nonpaying people'
  750.     [3/06/2014 10:19:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's not pay to win
  751.     [3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Erik Broes: yes, but also no 'showoff perks i bought'
  752.     [3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: thats how it's set
  753.     [3/06/2014 10:19:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's pay to add accessory
  754.     [3/06/2014 10:19:29 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or to speed up
  755.     [3/06/2014 10:19:33 PM] Erik Broes: yes, not allowed
  756.     [3/06/2014 10:19:48 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can you confirm or deny my pm plz (heart)
  757.     [3/06/2014 10:20:28 PM] Erik Broes: You would be able to charge for access to your server
  758.     [3/06/2014 10:20:34 PM] Erik Broes: and take donations
  759.     [3/06/2014 10:20:40 PM] Erik Broes: and that's it.
  760.     [3/06/2014 10:21:24 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Pay2Play has never worked ;)
  761.     [3/06/2014 10:24:22 PM] Erik Broes: Then make donations work :)
  762.     [3/06/2014 10:24:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha :P
  763.     [3/06/2014 10:32:19 PM] TATIMBLIN: Perhaps if more servers did pay2play it would be more
  764.  
  765. customary and easier accepted by players. I can see it hard to do know since you'd be the only
  766.  
  767. one most people would just find another server.
  768.     [3/06/2014 10:33:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: actually erik
  769.     [3/06/2014 10:33:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it would be great if you would
  770.  
  771. just use mine realms to us
  772.     [3/06/2014 10:33:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: make it so we can buy licenses to
  773.  
  774. run a server.
  775.     [3/06/2014 10:34:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: then we can host how we wish
  776.     [3/06/2014 10:34:22 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and boom
  777.     [3/06/2014 10:34:24 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you make money
  778.     [3/06/2014 10:34:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: we make money
  779.     [3/06/2014 10:34:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: all good
  780.     [3/06/2014 10:34:35 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it'll cut out the bad servers
  781.     [3/06/2014 10:34:41 PM] dillyg10: Hey, dithrolos
  782.     [3/06/2014 10:34:45 PM] dillyg10: Discussion isover
  783.     [3/06/2014 10:34:51 PM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds
  784.     [3/06/2014 10:34:53 PM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens
  785.     [3/06/2014 10:34:54 PM] dillyg10: move on
  786.     [3/06/2014 10:37:18 PM] || Moses ||: Wait Erik, so donations wont be allowed anymore?
  787.     [3/06/2014 10:37:37 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 9:06 AM, shadow_moses54 wrote:
  788.     > Wait Erik, so donations wont be allowed anymore?
  789.      
  790.     (facepalm) Read.
  791.     [3/06/2014 10:37:42 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 8:53 AM, Erik Broes wrote:
  792.     > Then make donations work :)
  793.     [3/06/2014 10:37:50 PM] || Moses ||: Its over 500 msgs.. .-.
  794.     [3/06/2014 10:38:05 PM] dillyg10: Then spend over 2 second reading through them
  795.     [3/06/2014 10:38:23 PM] TATIMBLIN: ^^jake brings up the biggest issue I see with servers.
  796.  
  797. When someone quickly makes a server and has enough money to pay the first month thinking
  798.  
  799. donations will cover the rest. Then a few donations come in for "lifetime" ranks. But not
  800.  
  801. enough and they close the server and keep the money.
  802.     [3/06/2014 10:39:04 PM] dillyg10: [6/3/14 9:03:44 AM] dillyg10: Hey, TATIMBLIN
  803.     [6/3/14 9:03:48 AM] dillyg10: Discussion isover
  804.     [6/3/14 9:03:54 AM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds
  805.     [6/3/14 9:03:56 AM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens
  806.     [6/3/14 9:03:57 AM] dillyg10: move on
  807.     [3/06/2014 10:39:40 PM] TATIMBLIN: Ooook
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  817.     [3/06/2014 11:02:47 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik: You're suggesting a model where the players
  818.  
  819. have no incentive to donate.  That would be the death of servers.  I don't understand how you
  820.  
  821. can't see that these servers help mojang.
  822.     [3/06/2014 11:03:06 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, it's not the way you like to play but why would
  823.  
  824. you take away what other people want?
  825.     [3/06/2014 11:04:17 PM] WoodysGamertag: The world is filled with factions players that love
  826.  
  827. what we do.  It's filled with mini-game players that love what Hypixel does.  All of them buy
  828.  
  829. minecraft because of it.
  830.     [3/06/2014 11:04:54 PM] WoodysGamertag: But now I hear, "Sorry, I don't like the player
  831.  
  832. experience on your server. I'm going to end it."
  833.      
  834.     Why?  I have sastified customers.
  835.     [3/06/2014 11:05:56 PM] WoodysGamertag: I have guys that play every waking moment and have
  836.  
  837. enough faith in my team that the moment we tease something new they are chomping at the bit to
  838.  
  839. get more details about it.  It's a thriving server with a faithful community. There are no
  840.  
  841. victims here.
  842.     [3/06/2014 11:07:13 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: again with the good point woody, i
  843.  
  844. mean it's a situation where if it's not broken, why fix it.
  845.     [3/06/2014 11:35:55 PM] Erik Broes: WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server around' not a
  846.  
  847. good enough reason to donate?
  848.     [3/06/2014 11:36:28 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: it is broken, so we're going to be fixing it
  849.     [3/06/2014 11:36:50 PM] Erik Broes: And you sortof have to thank yourselves for not
  850.  
  851. following the rules in the first place and having it become more and more broken
  852.     [3/06/2014 11:37:43 PM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Can i ask, what if you view on the
  853.  
  854. server situation, and why (if its been in your terms) do you take action now?
  855.     [3/06/2014 11:39:22 PM] Erik Broes: My personal view? its hard to create a proper line
  856.  
  857. between acceptable and non-acceptable microtransactions
  858.     [3/06/2014 11:39:53 PM] Erik Broes: anything that changes gamebalance in any way or temps
  859.  
  860. by either peerpresure or simple greed to extract money from people is a huge no-no for me
  861.     [3/06/2014 11:39:58 PM] Drew: I can't wait to see minecraft die because Erik's retarded
  862.  
  863. expectations
  864.     [3/06/2014 11:40:09 PM] Erik Broes: This is less extreme than the planned changes
  865.     [3/06/2014 11:40:55 PM] Drew: I really don't think mojang would like the fact that one of
  866.  
  867. their employees is in a chat flamming and arguing with mowing customers
  868.     [3/06/2014 11:41:04 PM] Drew: Mojang*
  869.     [3/06/2014 11:41:21 PM] Drew: I for one will not be buying anything else mojang
  870.     [3/06/2014 11:41:30 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: ^
  871.     [3/06/2014 11:42:00 PM] craig-egerton: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes:
  872.      
  873.     <<< WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donate?
  874.  
  875. most people dont realise what they have till its gone
  876.     [3/06/2014 11:42:01 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  877.     [3/06/2014 11:42:18 PM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": honestly i don't see minecraft dieing,
  878.  
  879. even if mojang changes things, i would assume people would work around the system, and/or work
  880.  
  881. with the system, but if they have it in the terms at the moment and yet nothing had happened, i
  882.  
  883. still don't see why they are changing it now?
  884.     [3/06/2014 11:43:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so grum
  885.     [3/06/2014 11:43:20 PM] WoodysGamertag: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes:
  886.      
  887.     <<< how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donateIt's just not.  I
  888.  
  889. like wikipedia but I've never donated. Have you? It's just kind of somebody else's
  890.  
  891. responsibilty.  People won't support the server if they get nothing in return other than having
  892.  
  893. it around.  I suspect that deep down you know that too.
  894.     [3/06/2014 11:43:21 PM] Drew: I used to like mojang but Erik made me realize they are not a
  895.  
  896. good company
  897.     [3/06/2014 11:43:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: remember that mod api you were
  898.  
  899. supposed to do 2 years ago?
  900.     [3/06/2014 11:43:30 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yeah hows that coming.
  901.     [3/06/2014 11:44:36 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: oh and grum
  902.     [3/06/2014 11:44:44 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just remember what got you
  903.  
  904. started.
  905.     [3/06/2014 11:44:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: bukkit
  906.     [3/06/2014 11:44:58 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: which wouldn't have happened
  907.  
  908. without these larger servers.
  909.     [3/06/2014 11:45:16 PM] WoodysGamertag: People look at the price of a rank and say, "OMG,
  910.  
  911. it's horrible. How can they charge that?"
  912.      
  913.     It's optional. You can play at WoodyCraft for free. It's just time consuming to mine
  914.  
  915. diamonds and enchant armor.  I've never said, "OMG, my son has hundreds of dollars of minecraft
  916.  
  917. stuff animals. How can they charge that?"
  918.      
  919.     It was optional, I don't blame you for charging $40 for a toy. I could have decided not to
  920.  
  921. buy it.  Instead, my son is a happy customer who sleeps with creepers and enderman.
  922.     [3/06/2014 11:45:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so why, you of ALL people, are you
  923.  
  924. attacking people who helped you get started.
  925.     [3/06/2014 11:45:46 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: especially when these server
  926.  
  927. provide content for youtubers, who bring in all of your players.
  928.     [3/06/2014 11:45:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's just ridiculous.
  929.     [3/06/2014 11:49:18 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: also
  930.     [3/06/2014 11:49:36 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: why the fuck would you attack your
  931.  
  932. biggest supporters for events like minecon
  933.     [3/06/2014 11:49:48 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: one booth alone has sold for 30
  934.  
  935. grand in the past.
  936.     [3/06/2014 11:50:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: what makes that kind of a loss
  937.  
  938. worth it for a $13 a month server host.
  939.     [3/06/2014 11:50:47 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Oh a more happy note:
  940.     http://gyazo.com/f26dd75501491a26ae83730a43a58f4e
  941.     [3/06/2014 11:50:53 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: just got that tweet from a sticker company :$
  942.     [3/06/2014 11:51:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: lol
  943.     [3/06/2014 11:51:12 PM] Drew: Really the only people these plans will hurt is the honest
  944.  
  945. servers, the bad servers won't give two fucks and continue doing bad stuff
  946.     [3/06/2014 11:51:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yup.
  947.     [3/06/2014 11:51:43 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i mean most big servers wouldn't
  948.  
  949. mind giving a license fee to mojang too.
  950.     [3/06/2014 11:52:49 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: nobodey would
  951.     [3/06/2014 11:54:17 PM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": well, if that cuts out the servers that
  952.  
  953. just join to make money, like with $500 ranks... (usually smaller servers)
  954.     [3/06/2014 11:56:53 PM] Erik Broes: On 03/06/2014, at 16:13, Jake / Dithrlos™
  955.  
  956. /ZionicGaming™ wrote:
  957.     > remember that mod api you were supposed to do 2 years ago?
  958.      
  959.     Which one?
  960.     [3/06/2014 11:57:36 PM] Erik Broes: I've never ever said anything ever about doing a mod
  961.  
  962. api :(
  963.     [3/06/2014 11:58:12 PM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:27 AM, Erik Broes wrote:
  964.     > I've never ever said anything ever about doing a mod api :(
  965.     But mojang did, whether you like it or not that's what they called it
  966.     [3/06/2014 11:58:51 PM] Erik Broes: Not sure how that matters? :)
  967.     [3/06/2014 11:59:12 PM] Erik Broes: Notch also said we'd have a 'license for the api that
  968.  
  969. would cost money'
  970.     [3/06/2014 11:59:41 PM] Erik Broes: As long as the people that scream things are not
  971.  
  972. actually working on those things, I'd just ignore them if I were you :)
  973.     [12:00:00 AM] Drew: It matters you know what's he's talking about you don't need to be an
  974.  
  975. ass about it
  976.     [12:00:43 AM] Erik Broes: I don't see how you can justify breaking the EULA in any way
  977.     [12:00:48 AM] Erik Broes: it just feels a bit stupid :D
  978.     [12:01:25 AM] Erik Broes: It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking,
  979.  
  980. you *KNOW* it is not right and still you do it
  981.     [12:01:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: Grum
  982.     [12:02:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: you guys can't enforce this
  983.     [12:03:01 AM] Erik Broes: We actually can
  984.     [12:03:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: how?
  985.     [12:03:36 AM] Drew: Its really quite easy
  986.     [12:03:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: There is many ways around it
  987.     [12:04:00 AM] Erik Broes: We'll ask nicely and then send really mean lawyers :)
  988.     [12:04:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: aure
  989.     [12:04:08 AM] aa2202aa2202: sure
  990.     [12:04:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: go track down every server
  991.     [12:04:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": how are you going to enforce this to all the
  992.  
  993. servers lol
  994.     [12:04:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: Also I will have a thing saying that the purchases are not
  995.  
  996. related
  997.     [12:04:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: to mojang
  998.     [12:04:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: Mojang fucks up their game
  999.     [12:04:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": no offence but that will give a bad name to
  1000.  
  1001. mojang, and also will waste a hell of a lot of money
  1002.     [12:04:55 AM] Erik Broes: If they are not related to mojang you won't see them ingame :)
  1003.     [12:05:21 AM] aa2202aa2202: Il sell a code
  1004.     [12:05:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: then people with that code
  1005.     [12:05:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: get rewards
  1006.     [12:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: not really, as a gaming company defending your own IP is not
  1007.  
  1008. 'weird', especially if you have very tolerant rules on how people *can* make money with your
  1009.  
  1010. game
  1011.     [12:06:07 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": not to put the fact that you will be going after a
  1012.  
  1013. majority of underage kids who want to play the game with there friends and give people who want
  1014.  
  1015. to help pay for the server, by giving them in game stuff, a knock on the door
  1016.     [12:06:07 AM] publicpwner21: could we get someone working on a minecraft rip? so that after
  1017.  
  1018. all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with.
  1019.     [12:06:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^
  1020.     [12:06:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will eventually die
  1021.     [12:06:31 AM] Erik Broes: we're not going after the kids
  1022.     [12:06:34 AM] Erik Broes: obviously not :)
  1023.     [12:06:52 AM] Erik Broes: Mason: and we'd take down that without sending a nice letter ;)
  1024.     [12:07:06 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": but thats what it is, i can name hundreds of
  1025.  
  1026. server that make money and they are run by underage kids
  1027.     [12:07:11 AM] Erik Broes: I truly do not see what you guys have so much problems with?
  1028.     [12:07:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: You clearly don't know a lot
  1029.     [12:07:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: about the community
  1030.     [12:07:43 AM] Drew: He clearly knows nothing about anything
  1031.     [12:07:49 AM] publicpwner21: [12:06 AM] Erik Broes:
  1032.      
  1033.     <<< Mason: and we'd take down that without sending a nice letter ;)did you send a letter to
  1034.  
  1035. cube world?
  1036.     [12:07:52 AM] WoodysGamertag: I feel like these threats and attempts to catch Erik in some
  1037.  
  1038. kind of logic trap aren't productive.  The fact is minecraft owns the IP and have the right to
  1039.  
  1040. do what they want with it.
  1041.      
  1042.     I just wish they saw it as a partnership like I do.
  1043.     [12:08:05 AM] Leet: [12:08 AM] Erik Broes:
  1044.      
  1045.     <<< I truly do not see what you guys have so much problems with?Because you're talking to a
  1046.  
  1047. bunch of people who make a living off of running servers.
  1048.     [12:08:06 AM] Erik Broes: I've seen no threats at all?
  1049.     [12:08:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: [12:01 AM] Erik Broes:
  1050.      
  1051.     <<< It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is not
  1052.  
  1053. right and still you do itOnly in that situation, it's possible that the person won't get caught
  1054.     [12:08:26 AM] Erik Broes: Ah! Maybe that is the problem, servers are not to make a living
  1055.  
  1056. off at all
  1057.     [12:08:30 AM] Erik Broes: maybe you forgot to read our EULA
  1058.     [12:08:41 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: and that is still the case
  1059.     [12:08:45 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:38 AM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1060.     > maybe you forgot to read our EULA
  1061.     Maybe you forgot what makes your game what it is
  1062.     [12:08:46 AM] WoodysGamertag: It's been a win/win.  Servers like mine have extended the
  1063.  
  1064. life of minecraft and the players love the game more than they would if it was just survival.
  1065.     [12:09:20 AM] Drew: Mojang just wants a bunch of survival clones now
  1066.     [12:09:26 AM] Drew: So the game will just die
  1067.     [12:09:33 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^
  1068.     [12:09:34 AM] Drew: No one will dev or create for it anymore
  1069.     [12:09:46 AM] Erik Broes: Why would it be impossible to have a game-mode or a minigame
  1070.  
  1071. somewhere?
  1072.     [12:10:00 AM] WoodysGamertag: While I don't love the phrasing, Drew is on to something.  
  1073.  
  1074. Servers have made minecraft more than it would be if it was only from mojang.
  1075.     [12:10:01 AM] Erik Broes: Or is it only possible if there are big amounts of money
  1076.  
  1077. involved?
  1078.     [12:10:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one will spend 20 euro
  1079.     [12:10:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on survival
  1080.     [12:10:18 AM] Drew: No one will have time to spent hours and hours creating stuff anymore
  1081.     [12:10:39 AM] xerucide: Guize, guize, you'll never guess what I just saw
  1082.     [12:10:42 AM] xerucide: A server
  1083.     [12:10:45 AM] xerucide: That has a paid...
  1084.     [12:10:53 AM] xerucide: DEV rank
  1085.     [12:10:59 AM] Drew: I for one have spent the last year creating stuff only to find out now
  1086.  
  1087. that was all useless
  1088.     [12:11:25 AM] Erik Broes: Wait, so people do not create anything in their spare time?
  1089.     [12:11:39 AM] Erik Broes: Isn't this how all your tools and even the game has been created
  1090.  
  1091. initially? :)
  1092.     [12:11:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Erik, do you think mojang will plan to shut down
  1093.  
  1094. all money making server schemes, or don't you think if that was the case to try to salvage it
  1095.  
  1096. and make it in to something you can work with? So it can benefit all of us?
  1097.     [12:12:06 AM] Erik Broes: Plans sofar are that you will have a way to make money
  1098.     [12:12:06 AM] Drew: I feel like the way mojang treats us we should just shut down and move
  1099.  
  1100. one
  1101.     [12:12:21 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:41 AM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1102.     > Wait, so people do not create anything in their spare time?
  1103.     Its not spare time for a lot of us
  1104.     [12:12:24 AM] Erik Broes: which is actualyl FAR better than it is now, as the EULA says you
  1105.  
  1106. have no way to make money ;P
  1107.     [12:12:36 AM] Drew: Maybe a few people sure
  1108.     [12:12:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": and will it effect the players gameplay on our
  1109.  
  1110. servers?
  1111.     [12:13:32 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: maybe that is your mistake then?
  1112.     [12:13:53 AM] Erik Broes: I mean, you just decided to only do things for money eventhough
  1113.  
  1114. there are no money flows allowed from the things you do this for?
  1115.     [12:13:56 AM] WoodysGamertag: I spend all my waking hours working on my server.  Honestly,
  1116.  
  1117. it's about 18 hours a day 7 days a week. I'm sure that servers like Hypixel have guys (or teams
  1118.  
  1119. of guys) doing the same.  If you take away the profit motive then the pros will leave and only
  1120.  
  1121. amateurs will be interested.
  1122.      
  1123.     YouTube went through a similar change in reverse.  When they started monetizing channels
  1124.  
  1125. people like CaptSparklez were born. The pros rolled in and made high effort videos.
  1126.     [12:14:09 AM] Erik Broes: Seems like a simple thing you'd look at before you start on that
  1127.     [12:14:12 AM] WoodysGamertag: It will hurt minecraft for sure.
  1128.     [12:14:15 AM] TATIMBLIN: I've been ready through most of this and wanted chime in. It seems
  1129.  
  1130. a great example to what kind of servers you are trying to make is the planetminecraft server.
  1131.  
  1132. http://www.planetminecraft.com/server/planetminecraft-official-server/
  1133.     [12:14:56 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: I think Erik's just a douchebag who should've
  1134.  
  1135. been fired when he never did what he was hired for
  1136.     [12:14:58 AM] TATIMBLIN: *reading
  1137.     [12:15:02 AM] Erik Broes: Why do you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make
  1138.  
  1139. anything unless there is money involved?
  1140.     [12:15:07 AM] Erik Broes: that is just sad :)
  1141.     [12:15:15 AM | Edited 12:15:16 AM] Erik Broes: (and very greedy)
  1142.     [12:15:37 AM] Erik Broes: strange, I'm still doing that every day :/
  1143.     [12:15:56 AM] Erik Broes: I never did what i was hired for?
  1144.     [12:15:59 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": lol reno, i think thats a bit too far haha
  1145.     [12:16:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: No
  1146.     [12:16:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: He did do his work
  1147.     [12:16:26 AM] xerucide: My god shit is going down in this chat
  1148.     [12:16:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Working on the mod API?
  1149.     [12:16:30 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Weird, we still don't have one
  1150.     [12:16:34 AM] Erik Broes: It's retarded logic, if I wouldn't be doing the work I'd be hired
  1151.  
  1152. for wouldn't I already be fired? :)
  1153.     [12:16:36 AM] xerucide: And I'm over here fiddling with myself
  1154.     [12:16:40 AM] aa2202aa2202: winter
  1155.     [12:16:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: Its not just the mod API
  1156.     [12:16:50 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: oh, and the fact that you do not have one means we're not
  1157.  
  1158. working on it? :)
  1159.     [12:17:03 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: [12:16 AM] Xeru:
  1160.      
  1161.     <<< And I'm over here fiddling with myselfWe don't need to know you're masturbating
  1162.     [12:17:08 AM] Erik Broes: Do you even logic? :D
  1163.     [12:18:11 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": If you knew that server were breaking the EULA,
  1164.  
  1165. then why give them a panel at Minecon? That saying 'Hey look these are the guys that break our
  1166.  
  1167. rules, and you should listen to them as they help others break our rules!'
  1168.     [12:18:25 AM] Erik Broes: Nikolaous: I'll bring an extra shirt :D
  1169.     [12:18:40 AM] Erik Broes: and why would you egg me? you are actually getting a 'sortof
  1170.  
  1171. heads up' -- be happy :)
  1172.     [12:18:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^
  1173.     [12:18:59 AM] TATIMBLIN: Erik: I think minecraft servers could have run without money, but
  1174.  
  1175. capped at a max of around 200 players. However since money has been introduced it would be hard
  1176.  
  1177. to go back that state. I'd also like to ask what you plan to do about leveling the playing
  1178.  
  1179. field when people already have ranks
  1180.     [12:19:19 AM] Erik Broes: So who broke the rules that we gave a panel? :/ (just curious, it
  1181.  
  1182. doesn't actually matter obviously)
  1183.     [12:20:19 AM] Erik Broes: You can have ranks obviously, you just cannot buy them with hard
  1184.  
  1185. cash :)
  1186.     [12:20:30 AM] TATIMBLIN: It be hard to take all of the paid ranks away from the millions of
  1187.  
  1188. users, and if you let them keep it would be even more unfair, due to now instead of paying to
  1189.  
  1190. get equal opportunities ingame it is just physically impossible
  1191.     [12:20:51 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Overcast Network, Hypixel, Shotbow, they all
  1192.  
  1193. answer questions about server, and even helped some kids get some donations in to sell things
  1194.  
  1195. with BuyCraft!
  1196.     [12:21:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: You can easily get around it
  1197.     [12:21:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: One can donate a specific amount
  1198.     [12:21:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: then you specify the ranks in game
  1199.     [12:21:29 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:14 AM] Erik Broes:
  1200.      
  1201.     <<< Why do you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there
  1202.  
  1203. is money involved?Because pros work for money.  I think the youtube example is a great one.  
  1204.  
  1205. Sparklez hired an animation team, a vocalist, etc.  I hire developers, admins, support staff,
  1206.  
  1207. etc.  You get top quality work when you pay for it.  If you hope that the online multiplayer
  1208.  
  1209. experience will continue to expand or even stay where it is without a profit motive than you're
  1210.  
  1211. kidding yourself.
  1212.      
  1213.     To be honest, this feels more like an attack on the community than a move in mojang's best
  1214.  
  1215. interest.  I can't understand your motivation.
  1216.     [12:21:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: or something
  1217.     [12:21:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^
  1218.     [12:21:53 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: yeaaaaah and you get to solve that isn't that fun!!
  1219.  
  1220. You created this unbalance that was purely fed by greed
  1221.     [12:21:55 AM] WoodysGamertag: Every server owner breaks the EULA, every single one.
  1222.     [12:22:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": This was also broadcasted on the Minecraft Youtube
  1223.  
  1224. Channel, so you promoted that you can have a server like these guys, who make money and who
  1225.  
  1226. just helped people at a Minecraft Convention which you arranged them to do
  1227.     [12:22:42 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: nope, because then it's not a donation
  1228.     [12:23:01 AM] Erik Broes: Woody: not true, servers exists that do not do microtransations
  1229.  
  1230. or perks for donations
  1231.     [12:23:10 AM] TATIMBLIN: I haven't made anything from ranks so 1. Don't judge me and 2. It
  1232.  
  1233. is your game
  1234.     [12:23:49 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": ^ lol, please show me
  1235.     [12:23:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: Don't get me wrong
  1236.     [12:23:56 AM] aa2202aa2202: But many methods to get around it
  1237.     [12:24:30 AM] Erik Broes: tatimblin: good to hear you are not selling ranks then :)
  1238.     [12:25:42 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:22 AM] Erik Broes:
  1239.      
  1240.     <<< Woody: not true, servers exists that do not do microtransations or perks for
  1241.  
  1242. donationsCan you name some? I'm curious if they are popular.
  1243.     [12:25:48 AM] aa2202aa2202: 60% of servers will shut down
  1244.     [12:25:57 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": did you know that the people in the panel at
  1245.  
  1246. Minecon were breaking your EULA?
  1247.     [12:26:01 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will slowely die
  1248.     [12:26:12 AM] craig-egerton: [12:00 AM] Erik Broes:
  1249.      
  1250.     <<< I don't see how you can justify breaking the EULA in any waypoints like this, no one
  1251.  
  1252. has here, we are talking about making the EULA stupid
  1253.     [12:26:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: Mhm we did ranks based on points that couldn't be bought. And
  1254.  
  1255. setup a way to donate for nothing
  1256.     [12:26:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then 1 day mojang will regret their decision
  1257.     [12:27:15 AM] Erik Broes: no, talking about rewording the EULA so you actually get more
  1258.  
  1259. rights :)
  1260.     [12:27:47 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: that seems like a nice system, according to everyone
  1261.  
  1262. in here your server either sucks super hard or it will die in days
  1263.     [12:28:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": ohhhhhh so you still won't enforce the EULA, but
  1264.  
  1265. just change it so that we have some rights?
  1266.     [12:28:40 AM] WoodysGamertag: I like the rights we have now, EULA non-enforcement :)
  1267.     [12:28:45 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": So nothing will change but actually giving us some
  1268.  
  1269. right to do things
  1270.     [12:29:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: Just have players donate
  1271.     [12:29:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on forums
  1272.     [12:29:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: they save they donated
  1273.     [12:29:15 AM] aa2202aa2202: then give them ranks
  1274.     [12:29:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: So easy to bypass
  1275.     [12:29:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: :)
  1276.     [12:29:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: There were about 30 people on, so it was nice for a while (30 is
  1277.  
  1278. good for just creative IMO)
  1279.     [12:29:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: Have it as a donation payment
  1280.     [12:29:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: And add MC username to reason
  1281.     [12:29:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: What can mojang do
  1282.     [12:29:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: without a webstore
  1283.     [12:30:16 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: nope, you cannot 'give' people ranks based on an outside
  1284.  
  1285. payment :)
  1286.     [12:30:50 AM] Erik Broes: It's really simple, money you spend outside of the game cannot
  1287.  
  1288. reflect inside the game at all
  1289.     [12:30:54 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": dw I'm sure BuyCraft will come up with a way
  1290.  
  1291. around it haha
  1292.     [12:31:14 AM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 10:36 AM, Mason // PixelPrison
  1293.  
  1294. wrote:
  1295.     > could we get someone working on a minecraft rip? so that after all of the servers for
  1296.  
  1297. minecraft are gone we have something to continue with.
  1298.      
  1299.     not making a rip, but I'm developing something better.
  1300.     [12:31:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: How will you monitor this
  1301.     [12:31:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: I will have a donate button
  1302.     [12:31:38 AM] aa2202aa2202: no ranks mentioned
  1303.     [12:31:39 AM] TATIMBLIN: Though it was too expensive for not making any money so we all
  1304.  
  1305. left to a server that was hosted by a bigger server in return for builds
  1306.     [12:31:59 AM] aa2202aa2202: Just mention it in game/forums
  1307.     [12:32:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again
  1308.     [12:32:34 AM] aa2202aa2202: you can't monitor the ranks I give
  1309.     [12:32:35 AM] aa2202aa2202: in any way
  1310.     [12:33:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again you can't verify that the people that have ranks have
  1311.  
  1312. donated
  1313.     [1:16:55 AM] Jordan // LOF Network: Can someone please answer my questions
  1314.     [1:17:35 AM] Jordan // LOF Network: Is this officially happening? What exactly do we have
  1315.  
  1316. to change
  1317.     [2:20:55 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I'm 99% sure they do
  1318.     [2:22:11 AM] 9gigsofram: That would be increadilbly dumb
  1319.     [2:22:34 AM] Dan: because Mojang is not a rip off merchant. did you know their game is a 20
  1320.  
  1321. euro one time fee, although if you want to play with your friends it would've been free but
  1322.  
  1323. they closed all big servers for their 10 euro a month (or 120 euro a year) service.
  1324.     [2:23:24 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Dan
  1325.     [2:23:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: People don't spend 120 euroes a year on server perks?
  1326.     [2:23:46 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: not to my knowledge...
  1327.     [2:25:07 AM] craig-egerton: [2:23 AM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  1328.      
  1329.     <<< People don't spend 120 euroes a year on server perks?factions etc. they do
  1330.     [2:26:03 AM] craig-egerton: first year is alot more but they still spend alot
  1331.     [2:26:26 AM] Dan: I know Max! but if you can't setup a LAN server, or host a server
  1332.  
  1333. yourself then you're going to need to pay Mojang that to maintain your server for you!
  1334.     [2:27:06 AM] Dan: correction
  1335.     [2:27:22 AM] Dan: I doubt merely 50 of them have spent 120 euros
  1336.     [2:27:30 AM] Dan: 500,000 people have joined my server
  1337.     [2:27:44 AM] Dan: but if that were realms, they'd need to pay 10 euroes just to get a
  1338.  
  1339. server with their friends!
  1340.     [2:30:46 AM] Dan: although, Erik seems pretty confident that everyone would voluntarily pay
  1341.  
  1342. to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't be there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan:
  1343.  
  1344. then maybe your server shouldn't be there)
  1345.     [2:30:49 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I've over 750,000 but then i've been around a bit longer
  1346.     [2:30:52 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: srs dan on 500,000?
  1347.     [2:31:01 AM] danstoogood: why don't we try that Erik?
  1348.     [2:31:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: max
  1349.     [2:31:37 AM] danstoogood: you seem extremely confident that this world is filled with warm
  1350.  
  1351. hearted people
  1352.     [2:32:21 AM] bloxparadise_: dan i doubt he's listening to you
  1353.     [2:33:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Yes aa2202
  1354.     [2:33:46 AM] danstoogood: I doubt that :P
  1355.     [2:35:05 AM] dillyg10: Same conversation as this morning?
  1356.     [2:35:23 AM] Gummy: So just to clear the air, how is everyone today?
  1357.     [2:35:58 AM] lofnetwork: Yep
  1358.     [2:36:04 AM | Edited 2:38:25 AM] danstoogood: yea dilly, it seems Erik is a hypocrite
  1359.     [2:36:06 AM] danstoogood: :|
  1360.     [2:37:05 AM] christian.payne23: Why cant we be friends? Why cant we be friends?
  1361.     [2:37:44 AM] ilucamc: On 6/3/14, at 19:05, xllgummybearxll wrote:
  1362.     > So just to clear the air, how is everyone today?
  1363.      
  1364.     Well tried
  1365.     [2:38:10 AM] bloxparadise_: Because erik isn't friendly?
  1366.     [2:39:00 AM] Curtis.: Funny how he ignored the questions about TheHive being shut down.
  1367.     [2:40:04 AM] bloxparadise_: Like he didn't ignore anyone else
  1368.     [2:41:01 AM] christian.payne23: He ignored all the questions
  1369.     [2:41:31 AM] christian.payne23: I want to know how they think its right they get games like
  1370.  
  1371. The Walls, that originated somewhere else for realms. but are going to close down those servers
  1372.     [2:41:57 AM] christian.payne23: Without servers like hypixel, or mineplex, or thehive,
  1373.  
  1374. mojang wont get ideas for realms, so it will fail aswell.
  1375.     [2:42:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Anyone have a plugin that lets you assign commands to mobs?
  1376.     [2:43:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: guess what
  1377.     [2:43:53 AM] bloxparadise_: what?
  1378.     [2:48:21 AM] youaresohistory1: http://imgur.com/a/ZzsYJ
  1379.     Add me if interested
  1380.     [2:50:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: youaresohistory
  1381.     [2:50:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: Is a scammer
  1382.     [2:50:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: most likely
  1383.     [2:50:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: He has been offering a lot of pre-built maps......
  1384.     [2:50:57 AM] youaresohistory1:  ?
  1385.     [2:50:59 AM] youaresohistory1: Proof.
  1386.     [2:51:23 AM] aa2202aa2202: Proof that its yours
  1387.     [2:51:33 AM] bloxparadise_: What if he has made alot?
  1388.     [2:51:37 AM] youaresohistory1: Pre-built doesn't mean a scam...
  1389.     [2:51:45 AM] aa2202aa2202: Ahahha
  1390.     [2:51:46 AM] aa2202aa2202: thats funny
  1391.     [2:51:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: I live 20 minutes
  1392.     [2:51:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: from that castle
  1393.     [2:51:56 AM] youaresohistory1: Everytime I post, you're just like: SCAMMER!
  1394.     [2:52:04 AM] craig-egerton: [2:50 AM] Amir:
  1395.      
  1396.     <<< youaresohistory
  1397.     Is a scammer
  1398.     most likely
  1399.     He has been offering a lot of pre-built maps......he isnt a scammer
  1400.     [2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Please provide some proof before mindlessly accusing me.
  1401.     [2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Thanks.
  1402.     [2:52:34 AM] craig-egerton: pretty sure its a build team behind it
  1403.     [2:52:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said most likely
  1404.     [2:52:51 AM] dithrlos: as much as i hate him
  1405.     [2:52:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:21 hat youaresohistory1 geschrieben:
  1406.     > Everytime I post, you're just like: SCAMMER!
  1407.      
  1408.     First time i said it
  1409.     [2:52:55 AM] dithrlos: he isn't a scamer
  1410.     [2:53:05 AM] dithrlos: scammer*
  1411.     [2:53:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said most likely
  1412.     [2:53:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: -.-
  1413.     [2:53:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: I was just assuming
  1414.     [2:53:38 AM] youaresohistory1: Really?
  1415.     [2:53:50 AM] ilucamc: He really isn't
  1416.     [2:55:04 AM] youaresohistory1: A pretty bad assumption
  1417.     [2:55:36 AM] craig-egerton: Amir, we where just informing you your assumption was wrong,
  1418.  
  1419. that is all
  1420.     [2:56:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: yeah
  1421.     [2:57:01 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:25 hat youaresohistory1 geschrieben:
  1422.     > A pretty bad assumption
  1423.      
  1424.     Not really
  1425.     [2:57:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: A pretty good one actually a lot of scammers around these days.
  1426.     [2:58:24 AM] aa2202aa2202: Especially with builds and pre build ones but however since you
  1427.  
  1428. seem to have a good history I can say that my assumption was false
  1429.     [2:58:26 AM] aa2202aa2202: But i didn't really know you
  1430.     [2:58:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: so yeah
  1431.     [2:58:58 AM] youaresohistory1: So your inference from my picture was: It's prebuilt.
  1432.  
  1433. Therefore, it's from PMC
  1434.     [2:59:03 AM] youaresohistory1: :P
  1435.     [3:00:12 AM] craig-egerton: chill guys, we are all friends here (heart)
  1436.     [3:00:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Argument ends here.
  1437.     [3:00:33 AM] youaresohistory1: Doesn't matter.
  1438.     [3:09:31 AM] Erik Broes: although, Erik seems pretty confident that everyone would
  1439.  
  1440. voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't be there, right Erik? ([16:36:07]
  1441.  
  1442. Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there) <-- no realms is like a GSP
  1443.     [3:09:50 AM] bloxparadise_: is that all you can fucking say
  1444.     [3:09:52 AM] bloxparadise_: quit your job
  1445.     [3:09:56 AM] Erik Broes: or rather; we act as a GSP which has nothing to do with
  1446.  
  1447. microtransactions or other shit servers are pulling :)
  1448.     [3:10:56 AM] bloxparadise_: "other shit servers"
  1449.     [3:11:00 AM] bloxparadise_: seems like you're the ungrateful one
  1450.     [3:11:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Erik
  1451.     [3:11:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: stop ignoring all points
  1452.     [3:11:11 AM] aa2202aa2202: scroll up
  1453.     [3:11:14 AM] aa2202aa2202: and REPLY To all of them
  1454.     [3:12:24 AM] ilucamc: Erik. Please tell me why servers shouldn't be able to accept
  1455.  
  1456. donations?
  1457.     [3:13:06 AM] bloxparadise_: Because he's jealous lol
  1458.     [3:14:14 AM] ilucamc: I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but didn't he also say we can't
  1459.  
  1460. be accepting profit from this?
  1461.     [3:15:49 AM] bloxparadise_: wouldn't doubt it
  1462.     [3:20:54 AM] danstoogood: [3:09 AM] Erik Broes:
  1463.      
  1464.     <<< other shit servers are pulling
  1465.     [3:21:36 AM] danstoogood: that is what is upsetting me
  1466.     [3:21:43 AM] danstoogood: you're acting as-if every server tries to rip off their players
  1467.     [3:22:28 AM] bloxparadise_: mojang in general upsets me in general lol
  1468.     [3:23:34 AM] aa2202aa2202: Wow
  1469.     [3:23:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: .,.
  1470.     [3:32:57 AM] nextinlinebro_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WpZddamHwA&feature=youtu.be
  1471.  
  1472. GUYS LOOK OMG
  1473.     [3:33:22 AM] bloxparadise_: OMG
  1474.     [3:33:29 AM] bloxparadise_: LOLOL
  1475.     [3:34:06 AM] bloxparadise_: haha i just love the background view
  1476.     [3:34:07 AM] bloxparadise_: of india
  1477.     [3:34:19 AM] ilucamc: Amazing
  1478.     [3:35:39 AM] shahriya96: hes hot
  1479.     [3:35:57 AM] bloxparadise_: lol
  1480.     [3:36:10 AM] youaresohistory1: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  1481.     [3:36:16 AM] bloxparadise_: Wonder how long it took to dress up XD
  1482.     [3:45:51 AM] publicpwner21: I love
  1483.     [3:45:54 AM] publicpwner21: the rainforest sounds
  1484.     [3:45:57 AM] publicpwner21: in the background
  1485.     [3:46:05 AM] publicpwner21: or whatever that shit be
  1486.     [3:46:33 AM] bloxparadise_: XD
  1487.     [3:46:54 AM] publicpwner21: he also has some really nice hair
  1488.     [3:48:21 AM] christian.payne23: I think erik gave up
  1489.     [3:49:05 AM] Erik Broes: Lol no
  1490.     [3:49:18 AM] Erik Broes: Learning Swedish so just busy
  1491.     [3:50:07 AM] bloxparadise_: I hoep you're joking
  1492.     [3:52:42 AM] ilucamc: Why doesn't anyone say, "is anyone renting .net"?
  1493.     [3:53:13 AM] bloxparadise_: cuz .net sucks
  1494.     [3:54:16 AM] ilucamc: How so?
  1495.     [3:54:30 AM] bloxparadise_: It's not as pouplated
  1496.     [3:54:49 AM] bloxparadise_: hence the reason nobody asks is anyone renting .net
  1497.     [3:55:00 AM | Edited 3:55:10 AM] danstoogood: ok, I can understand Mojang's aggrevation, ok
  1498.     [3:55:03 AM] christian.payne23: Erik, explain one thing for me
  1499.     [3:55:29 AM] danstoogood: but, I think a lot of things are being distorted
  1500.     [3:56:04 AM | Edited 3:56:08 AM] danstoogood: for example,
  1501.  
  1502. http://puu.sh/9dwDf/162db0d795.png - it's not even possible to "redirect" through the client
  1503.     [3:56:09 AM | Edited 3:56:32 AM] christian.payne23: How can you steall the mini game ideas
  1504.  
  1505. from servers, but then threaten them? If you make the owners close the servers, mojang wont
  1506.  
  1507. have anymore good ideas to steall for your precious realms.....
  1508.     [3:56:34 AM] danstoogood: we're not all money thirsty 13 year olds, I just want you to
  1509.  
  1510. understand that :P
  1511.     [3:56:36 AM] christian.payne23: ^^^^^
  1512.     [3:57:42 AM] Drew: Heck im not even taking donations atm :P
  1513.     [3:58:24 AM] danstoogood: and, people moan about being innappreciative, but most of this
  1514.  
  1515. chit chat is like; http://puu.sh/9dwO9/bd2d572480.png
  1516.     [3:58:31 AM | Edited 3:58:50 AM] danstoogood: a 5 second wait for a free mod isn't too bad,
  1517.  
  1518. and people are claiming that is the problem with the community
  1519.     [3:59:34 AM] danstoogood: for example some other upvoted posts: "Im patiently awaiting
  1520.  
  1521. Mojang to totally wreck the shitty modders who screw with the game by intentionally crashing
  1522.  
  1523. the game or by adding DRM in their mods."
  1524.     [4:02:29 AM] danstoogood: I just feel mojang and the "reddit group" have cast a negative
  1525.  
  1526. blanket over all of us due to just a few of the server owners actions
  1527.     [4:09:06 AM] dillyg10: Seriously
  1528.     [4:09:18 AM] dillyg10: This has been a nearly 24 hour discussion
  1529.     [4:09:21 AM] dillyg10: It's time to call it quits.
  1530.     [4:10:47 AM] calebmerridethbell: No, this is interesting! haha.
  1531.     [4:11:03 AM] bloxparadise_: it gets frusturating :/
  1532.     [4:11:12 AM] ilucamc: ^
  1533.     [4:12:38 AM | Edited 4:13:14 AM] danstoogood: sorry it's just annoying me that people are
  1534.  
  1535. saying "I hate servers that you have to pay to, why do mineplex and hypixel do that?" without
  1536.  
  1537. understanding the infrastructure behind these servers, and that as soon as these changes are in
  1538.  
  1539. effect, the servers will be unable to run and everything will change, almost immediately
  1540.     [4:13:52 AM] danstoogood: sure, those servers filled with bold text and overpriced ranks
  1541.  
  1542. will close, but also large community servers will cease to exist
  1543.     [4:17:33 AM] Erik Broes: I dont see why they would stop to exist; they will change their
  1544.  
  1545. business model and actually be allowed to make money that way
  1546.     [4:18:19 AM] bloxparadise_: Not all of us are rich as shit
  1547.     [4:18:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh because nobody will fucking donate?
  1548.     [4:18:40 AM] bloxparadise_: What's so hard to understand?
  1549.     [4:18:47 AM] Drew: We should all just stop talking about this in here because its going to
  1550.  
  1551. get no where :)
  1552.     [4:19:05 AM] danstoogood: I am reading reddit now
  1553.     [4:19:09 AM] Erik Broes: Oh so people wouldn't want you around? :D
  1554.     [4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: and I think I have the COMPLETE wrong idea
  1555.     [4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: lol
  1556.     [4:19:14 AM] danstoogood: holy shit
  1557.     [4:19:23 AM] danstoogood: well I sorta had the right idea
  1558.     [4:19:30 AM] danstoogood: ok I am going to rework my server
  1559.     [4:20:14 AM] Erik Broes: When we make up our mind about what will be in the EULA you will
  1560.  
  1561. have some time to adjust
  1562.     [4:20:20 AM] danstoogood: ok
  1563.     [4:20:27 AM] danstoogood: soz for coming across so harshly lol
  1564.     [4:20:29 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan what are you reading?
  1565.     [4:20:43 AM] danstoogood: I feel kinda like a dick that nothing has ever been announced
  1566.     [4:20:46 AM] Erik Broes: But sofar the changes are in your favor, right now you have no
  1567.  
  1568. rights at all to make money, then you will
  1569.     [4:21:00 AM] danstoogood: soz Erik lol
  1570.     [4:21:20 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan link/
  1571.     [4:21:37 AM] danstoogood:
  1572.  
  1573. http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/2720xt/psa_to_server_owners_selling_a_diamond_sword_
  1574.  
  1575. on_a/
  1576.     [4:21:38 AM] Erik Broes: it's just nice food for thought, so you can already consider less
  1577.  
  1578. lame ways to squeeze money from people :P
  1579.     [4:21:41 AM] danstoogood: I'm just reading through that
  1580.     [4:22:10 AM] dillyg10: xD
  1581.     [4:22:11 AM | Edited 4:22:30 AM] danstoogood: yea Erik, can you give us a brief idea of
  1582.  
  1583. what's going to happen so we can sort of think ahead? :P
  1584.     [4:22:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik you're such a fucking troll
  1585.     [4:22:20 AM] christian.payne23: But we are not squeezing money....
  1586.     [4:22:22 AM] Erik Broes: it's not set in stone yet; the first draft after todays meeting
  1587.  
  1588. hasn't even gone out
  1589.     [4:22:33 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, it's just hilarious
  1590.     [4:22:54 AM] dillyg10: Continue ;P
  1591.     [4:23:06 AM] christian.payne23: It is OPTIONAL TO DONATE or PURCHASE RANKS OR ITEMS. We are
  1592.  
  1593. not forcing them to. It is optional. it is their choice.
  1594.     [4:23:20 AM] danstoogood: any information AT ALL? (wasntme)
  1595.     [4:23:38 AM] danstoogood: captain that argument is over
  1596.     [4:23:41 AM] dillyg10: I honest to god wonder how long this conversation will carry on
  1597.     [4:23:44 AM] danstoogood: this all started over a tweet from Marc, lol
  1598.     [4:23:51 AM] dillyg10: Like... I'm putting bets on another 2 days
  1599.     [4:24:16 AM] nextinlinebro_: I say we move back to the #bickering IRC channel
  1600.     [4:24:17 AM] nextinlinebro_: ANyone agree?
  1601.     [4:24:50 AM] Erik Broes: CaptainBob: is it also optional to follow our EULA? :P
  1602.     [4:25:01 AM] Erik Broes: no this started 7 months ago when i brought up the issue
  1603.     [4:25:22 AM] christian.payne23: No its not. But why the hell, after like 4 years, do you
  1604.  
  1605. care so much about it now?
  1606.     [4:25:24 AM] Erik Broes: the '$10k perk' has put some fire under certain peoples asses
  1607.     [4:26:01 AM] Erik Broes: and now finally things are given the right priority
  1608.     [4:26:07 AM] dillyg10: Lol and it all started
  1609.     [4:26:25 AM] dillyg10: Because fucking felipe sent a C&D to matt
  1610.     [4:26:28 AM] Erik Broes: Because it is a growing problem for us?
  1611.     [4:26:33 AM] dillyg10: So
  1612.     [4:26:39 AM] dillyg10: Think about that :)
  1613.     [4:26:55 AM] Erik Broes: When you now google for minecraft servers it starts to become
  1614.  
  1615. about 'shop/perk/rank/whatever' almost instantly
  1616.     [4:27:07 AM] Drew: The right priority lmfao
  1617.     [4:27:25 AM] Erik Broes: we get increasing amounts of complaints from users on support with
  1618.  
  1619. 'things going wrong' or 'being unfair' or 'my kids has paid for this blabla and we demand a
  1620.  
  1621. chargeback'
  1622.     [4:27:39 AM] dillyg10: Err
  1623.     [4:27:48 AM] christian.payne23: Then get rid of the freaking assholes who have the 10k
  1624.  
  1625. perk....
  1626.     [4:27:50 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: heh that is what got me into this chat
  1627.     [4:27:54 AM] Erik Broes: but it started before that
  1628.     [4:27:54 AM | Edited 4:28:03 AM] dillyg10: www.lmgtfy.com/?q=minecraft%20servers
  1629.     [4:27:56 AM] christian.payne23: Why punish us all?
  1630.     [4:28:08 AM] Drew: How about that list of 1,600 hacked accounts I sent you months ago you
  1631.  
  1632. did nothing about and now a bunch of kids are reselling? I guess that doesn't matter, glad you
  1633.  
  1634. got your priorities straight
  1635.     [4:28:10 AM] bloxparadise_: Then email them back and say its not your responsibility?
  1636.     [4:28:22 AM] danstoogood: one point I would like you to acknowledge is that those issues
  1637.  
  1638. are USUALLY associated with the poorly managed servers
  1639.     [4:28:36 AM] bloxparadise_: I haven't had 1 chargback since I opened
  1640.     [4:28:37 AM] Erik Broes: It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the way the game is
  1641.  
  1642. slowly turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our rules say you cannot
  1643.  
  1644. do that
  1645.     [4:28:44 AM] bloxparadise_: if I did, it was a small one that was resolved quickly
  1646.     [4:28:59 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people
  1647.     [4:29:12 AM] Erik Broes: more i cannot do about it, i dont even have access to the accounts
  1648.  
  1649. in that way
  1650.     [4:29:30 AM] christian.payne23: I had one charge back. And it was because the dad didn't
  1651.  
  1652. know what was going on. I emailed him, and it was solved. Simple as that
  1653.     [4:29:56 AM | Edited 4:30:45 AM] danstoogood: so Erik, would you say that after these
  1654.  
  1655. changes are in effect a $5 a month OPTIONAL and strictly optional payment for a coloured name
  1656.  
  1657. and other various coded perks (none of Minecraft's IP) which would support upkeep is accepted?
  1658.     [4:29:57 AM] christian.payne23: just like blox
  1659.     [4:30:02 AM] danstoogood: I am not planning on doing so
  1660.     [4:30:20 AM] danstoogood: just simply would like to get an idea of what you guys are
  1661.  
  1662. thinking of doing
  1663.     [4:30:20 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1664.     > It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the way the game is slowly turning into a
  1665.  
  1666. pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our rules say you cannot do that
  1667.     IT IS NOT, CERTIAN SERVERS HAVE THE ///OPTION/// TO DO THAT BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF
  1668.  
  1669. SERVERS THAT DONT
  1670.     [4:30:33 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1671.     > Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people
  1672.     well nothing happened lol
  1673.     [4:30:53 AM] Erik Broes: no, but you can surely add some soft/ingame currency that people
  1674.  
  1675. can earn by playing to color their name
  1676.     [4:30:55 AM] Drew: Now a bunch of kids are getting their accounts sold out from under them
  1677.     [4:31:07 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: then 'those other servers' will not be bothered by the
  1678.  
  1679. changes
  1680.     [4:31:26 AM] danstoogood: I am confused now
  1681.     [4:31:38 AM] bloxparadise_: Then how do you expect me to pay for my server, erik?
  1682.     [4:31:44 AM] danstoogood: Erik what exactly are you proposing lol
  1683.     [4:32:00 AM] danstoogood: I mean, $5 a month for a coloured name, if they want to support
  1684.  
  1685. the server I thought would be perfectly acceptable? :P
  1686.     [4:32:04 AM] Erik Broes: yeah i should rephrase that 'add' i used; 'create a currency
  1687.  
  1688. system in the game' -- not 'award virtual currency for real money'
  1689.     [4:32:09 AM] dillyg10: Okay Erik, what about this
  1690.     [4:32:10 AM] Erik Broes: blox: with money?
  1691.     [4:32:13 AM] bloxparadise_: And after I can't pay for my server, how do you expect players
  1692.  
  1693. to have fun and play minecraft?
  1694.     [4:32:13 AM] dillyg10: People pay me money
  1695.     [4:32:15 AM] dillyg10: But
  1696.     [4:32:23 AM] bloxparadise_: Seems we're just saying the same shit over and over..
  1697.     [4:32:25 AM] dillyg10: they send it in the form of goat
  1698.     [4:32:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what about $5 a month without a colored name to support their
  1699.  
  1700. server?
  1701.     [4:32:31 AM] dillyg10: In exchange for that goat
  1702.     [4:32:35 AM] dillyg10: I give them cattle
  1703.     [4:32:37 AM] dillyg10: ingame.
  1704.     [4:32:43 AM] danstoogood: then it would be less appealing
  1705.     [4:32:46 AM] dillyg10: The cattle can be brought to an in game shop
  1706.     [4:32:51 AM] dillyg10: Where they can exchange that
  1707.     [4:32:53 AM] dillyg10: for perks.
  1708.     [4:32:56 AM] dillyg10: Now how does that sound?
  1709.     [4:32:59 AM] Erik Broes: dan: why not? :)
  1710.     [4:33:01 AM] danstoogood: and then we can get on the topic of Realms being free and letting
  1711.  
  1712. people pay as they please
  1713.     [4:33:07 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik
  1714.     [4:33:23 AM] danstoogood: which if you think is possible I am happy to experiment with that
  1715.     [4:33:34 AM] bloxparadise_: ^
  1716.     [4:33:36 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: what about we go on like we have for the last 3 years of
  1717.  
  1718. minecraft
  1719.     [4:33:41 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: maybe slightly bloated on the youtube side, with sponsorship
  1720.  
  1721. prices
  1722.     [4:33:43 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: it's a good eco system
  1723.     [4:33:44 AM] Erik Broes: we have no intention to make realms free, again, realms is more
  1724.  
  1725. like a GSP not a 'microtransaction to good you already have paid for'
  1726.     [4:34:04 AM] danstoogood: just you know that players do not wish to receive nothing in
  1727.  
  1728. return
  1729.     [4:34:11 AM] danstoogood: GSP? what's that
  1730.     [4:34:39 AM | Removed 4:34:35 AM] danstoogood: This message has been removed.
  1731.     [4:34:43 AM] dillyg10: So my marketing strategy is: (sheep) = (dog) = (cash)
  1732.     [4:34:53 AM] Erik Broes: how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands for both
  1733.  
  1734. DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for outrageous
  1735.  
  1736. prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o)
  1737.     [4:34:53 AM] dillyg10: I think that'll align with your EULA
  1738.     [4:35:03 AM] Drew: But you haven't paid for it
  1739.     [4:35:10 AM] Erik Broes: GameServerProvider (think multiplay)
  1740.     [4:35:14 AM] Drew: A perk that I create is not something they paid for
  1741.     [4:35:55 AM] Drew: They didn't party for prefixes when they bought minecraft
  1742.     [4:36:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: SSSS
  1743.     [4:36:33 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: a perk that requires the client to see it is something they
  1744.  
  1745. paid for
  1746.     [4:36:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 21:04 hat Erik Broes geschrieben:
  1747.     > how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands for both DDOS protection and
  1748.  
  1749. 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for outrageous prices (actually asking
  1750.  
  1751. more than the game gets sold for! O.o)
  1752.      
  1753.     Deal with it
  1754.     [4:36:41 AM] aa2202aa2202: You won't change shit
  1755.     [4:37:31 AM] Drew: No it's really not
  1756.     [4:37:37 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh I can sell whatever the shit I want for whatever price, I
  1757.  
  1758. thought that wasn't mojang's business
  1759.     [4:37:50 AM] nextinlinebro_: @Erik Have you ever tried smoking pot?
  1760.     [4:38:20 AM | Edited 4:38:19 AM] Drew: I guess that they already bought your game because
  1761.  
  1762. they paid for windows to see it (rofl)
  1763.     [4:38:20 AM] bloxparadise_: looool
  1764.     [4:38:52 AM] Erik Broes: nope and never intend to unless i get some weird cancer
  1765.     [4:39:28 AM] dillyg10: What kind of alcohol do you guys drink in Sweeden?
  1766.     [4:39:42 AM] bloxparadise_: have you ever checked?
  1767.     [4:39:43 AM] bloxparadise_: you should
  1768.     [4:39:46 AM] nextinlinebro_: Clearly you need to try some
  1769.     [4:40:16 AM] 9gigsofram: so you are going to turn it into world of warcraft private servers
  1770.  
  1771. :P
  1772.     [4:40:25 AM] dillyg10: Honestly not a trolly question, always wondered :P
  1773.     [4:40:42 AM | Edited 4:40:36 AM] 9gigsofram: even more pay to win to maintain the legal
  1774.  
  1775. workarounds :O
  1776.     [4:41:46 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: overly expensive ones hehe
  1777.     [4:42:16 AM] danstoogood: I don't think as a representative of a large company he can admit
  1778.  
  1779. to smoking a class B drug
  1780.     [4:42:16 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik do you get paid least at mojang? xD
  1781.     [4:42:32 AM] 9gigsofram: fancy
  1782.     [4:43:22 AM] dillyg10: Heh :P
  1783.     [4:43:30 AM] Erik Broes: blox: obviously :P
  1784.     [4:43:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: why not?
  1785.     [4:43:46 AM] Erik Broes: smoking pot is not illegal; just stupid
  1786.     [4:43:56 AM] Erik Broes: pot/weed/grass/whatever
  1787.     [4:43:56 AM] 9gigsofram: well its not smoking it that is illegal
  1788.     [4:43:58 AM] danstoogood: it's a class B drug here lol
  1789.     [4:43:59 AM] Drew: As a representative of a company he shouldn't be distributing illegally
  1790.  
  1791. obtained property either xD
  1792.     [4:44:02 AM] 9gigsofram: its possessing it
  1793.     [4:44:03 AM] dillyg10: I mean, do you guys get more of a german or russian influence there?
  1794.     [4:44:10 AM | Edited 4:44:14 AM] dillyg10: As far as the alcohol goes
  1795.     [4:44:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: He gets paid in twisslers
  1796.     [4:44:22 AM] bloxparadise_: k thx for ruining the joke
  1797.     [4:44:23 AM] danstoogood: and pricey
  1798.     [4:44:24 AM] 9gigsofram: and if he visited somwhere it was legal he could say what he
  1799.  
  1800. wanted :P
  1801.     [4:44:27 AM] nextinlinebro_: Id love to get paid in twisslers
  1802.     [4:44:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: also mojang is not a large company
  1803.     [4:44:42 AM] danstoogood: :O
  1804.     [4:45:11 AM] danstoogood: the 3rd biggest selling video game
  1805.     [4:45:14 AM] Erik Broes: ~36 people is not 'large' by any means :)
  1806.     [4:45:42 AM] danstoogood: lol my friend who's in amsterdam atm literally just messaged me
  1807.  
  1808. as that subject came up in chat
  1809.     [4:44 AM] KooKie:
  1810.      
  1811.     <<< holy shit Dan
  1812.     In Amsterdam, like literally a weed store every 100m
  1813.     [4:45:52 AM] Erik Broes: yes with a team of 5 for the game, 4 for realms … whooo :P
  1814.     [4:46:29 AM] 9gigsofram: 4 for realms?
  1815.     [4:46:35 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: bull shit, it has lots of shops where you can get it, but
  1816.  
  1817. once you leave the touristy area its 'as hard to get as anywhere'
  1818.     [4:46:36 AM] 9gigsofram: seems a tad excessive :P
  1819.     [4:46:49 AM] bloxparadise_: yeah that's a shit load of money
  1820.     [4:46:51 AM] bloxparadise_: so why t'f you guys mad
  1821.     [4:46:52 AM] 9gigsofram: i guess support takes up alot of that though
  1822.     [4:47:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik, totally out of the blue
  1823.     [4:47:19 AM] Erik Broes: because some servers are ruining the game? :)
  1824.     [4:47:19 AM] bloxparadise_: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-
  1825.  
  1826. 9/10390332_689299854441142_5150017957485640618_n.jpg
  1827.     [4:47:19 AM] dillyg10: but do you guys do internships at Mojang?
  1828.     [4:47:34 AM] Erik Broes: no support is another company
  1829.     [4:47:47 AM] bloxparadise_: you said it yourself
  1830.     [4:47:48 AM] bloxparadise_: "some"
  1831.     [4:47:59 AM] bloxparadise_: how about you go deal with those "some" servers and leave us
  1832.  
  1833. alone
  1834.     [4:48:12 AM] Drew: How are 'some' servers ruining the game
  1835.     [4:48:19 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: nothing noteworthy
  1836.     [4:48:21 AM] Drew: The servers are independent
  1837.     [4:48:27 AM] Erik Broes: we've had some person visit for a week for example
  1838.     [4:48:32 AM] Drew: They dont affect the game
  1839.     [4:48:54 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: they ruin the image of the game by ever so slowly push it to
  1840.  
  1841. 'pay2win'
  1842.     [4:48:57 AM] 9gigsofram: less than 1% of servers :P
  1843.     [4:49:06 AM] 9gigsofram: what do those 4 people do :O
  1844.     [4:49:33 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:18 PM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1845.     > dillyg10: nothing noteworthy
  1846.      
  1847.     Ehh was just curios, was thinking about going abroad for school at some point, sweden seems
  1848.  
  1849. like a neat place :P
  1850.     [4:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: if you are referring to mineplex/hypixel/hive/octc then deal
  1851.  
  1852. with them
  1853.     [4:49:57 AM] nextinlinebro_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WpZddamHwA @Grum ^-^
  1854.     [4:50:17 AM] dillyg10: Ah, so nothing longterm :P
  1855.     [4:50:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will be
  1856.     [4:50:41 AM] bloxparadise_: "BEST PLUGIN DEVLOPMENT"
  1857.     [4:50:54 AM] Drew: My server isn't pay to win
  1858.     [4:50:58 AM] Drew: As are most servers
  1859.     [4:51:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "FOR ALL OF YOUR PLOGIN NEEDS"
  1860.     [4:51:16 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it
  1861.     [4:51:40 AM] VoxaDub: Grum what does 'dealing with them' mean?
  1862.     [4:51:51 AM] Drew: I DONT think so little kids servers are ruining any image
  1863.     [4:52:14 AM] danstoogood: Erik do you want to play our servers with us so we can
  1864.  
  1865. demonstrate lol
  1866.     [4:52:29 AM] Erik Broes: Voxadub: making the rules more explicit in what they can and
  1867.  
  1868. cannot do :P
  1869.     [4:52:48 AM] Erik Broes: but we cannot just go to the 'big ones' and say: hey stop! --
  1870.  
  1871. would be unfair to the smaller ones right?
  1872.     [4:53:02 AM] Drew: I DONT think you have any idea what's going on in your community
  1873.     [4:53:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "they"
  1874.     [4:53:07 AM] bloxparadise_: does that mean I can sell diamond blocks lol
  1875.     [4:53:30 AM] Drew: Idk why my tablet keeps capsing  DONT
  1876.     [4:53:43 AM] 9gigsofram: question
  1877.     [4:53:44 AM] Erik Broes: blox: seeing your screaming -- that is what you are doing right?
  1878.     [4:53:51 AM] VoxaDub: So like selling stuff?
  1879.     [4:54:05 AM] 9gigsofram: can we ignore these guidelines if we live in uae and have a server
  1880.  
  1881. hosted offshore :P
  1882.     [4:54:14 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: i probably mostly know the bad stuff -- sitting in here :P
  1883.     [4:54:41 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:21 PM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1884.     > dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it
  1885.      
  1886.     Ah that's a shame, well it won't be a few years till I'm at that point anyways, keep your
  1887.  
  1888. schedule open :P
  1889.     [4:54:46 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik i'm not screaming m8
  1890.     [4:55:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: no? :)
  1891.     [4:55:03 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 3:24 PM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1892.     > Drew: i probably mostly know the bad stuff -- sitting in here :P
  1893.     Fair enough
  1894.     [4:55:29 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)
  1895.     [4:58:19 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:25 PM, Erik Broes wrote:
  1896.     > dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)
  1897.      
  1898.     Hmm, maybe I should get Notch to do it. I can work on all his... projects
  1899.     [4:58:23 AM] 9gigsofram: well what would you do about it :P
  1900.     [4:58:26 AM] 9gigsofram: just asking for when sombody does that
  1901.     [4:59:14 AM] VoxaDub: That is a good point, what will happen if you (mojang) approaches a
  1902.  
  1903. server about something and they dont do anything about it?
  1904.     [4:59:57 AM] VoxaDub: Cuz I cant imagine it would be very effective to sue every server
  1905.  
  1906. owner out there
  1907.     [5:00:18 AM] VoxaDub: And some large networks could hold their own in court, due to the
  1908.  
  1909. money they make.
  1910.     [5:01:25 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh well a violation of a tos isn't something you can just win
  1911.     [5:02:36 AM] 9gigsofram: well they dont evne need court
  1912.     [5:02:42 AM] danstoogood: also you do not need a minecraft account to run a server
  1913.     [5:02:52 AM] 9gigsofram: and
  1914.     [5:02:53 AM] Erik Broes: that doesn't matter
  1915.     [5:02:57 AM] 9gigsofram: jsut bulletproof hosting
  1916.     [5:03:01 AM] 9gigsofram: company represented in an appropriate country
  1917.     [5:03:10 AM] VoxaDub: @dan thats what I was going to say lol
  1918.     [5:03:23 AM] bloxparadise_: erik can you answer the question
  1919.     [5:03:26 AM] bloxparadise_: what would you do if we violated the tos
  1920.     [5:04:00 AM] 9gigsofram: i dont run a large server
  1921.     [5:04:05 AM] Erik Broes: blox: send a mail asking you to fix it
  1922.     [5:04:06 AM] 9gigsofram: im just asking qustions :P
  1923.     [5:04:57 AM] VoxaDub: Same
  1924.     [5:04:59 AM] Erik Broes: i know what you run 9gigsofram ;)
  1925.     [5:05:02 AM] bloxparadise_: and if we don't?
  1926.     [5:05:46 AM] Erik Broes: blox: lawyers? :(
  1927.     [5:06:34 AM] 9gigsofram: as i  said
  1928.     [5:06:36 AM] 9gigsofram: its not that big
  1929.     [5:06:41 AM] 9gigsofram: just 53 players on right now :P
  1930.     [5:06:49 AM] VoxaDub: But erik is it legitmate that you would do that with EVERY server?
  1931.     [5:07:15 AM] bloxparadise_: ip?
  1932.     [5:07:18 AM] VoxaDub: Because I can imagine most large ones would try to fight it, if for
  1933.  
  1934. say its disallowing selling items.
  1935.     [5:07:23 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: if need be :/
  1936.     [5:07:32 AM] 9gigsofram: play.chosencraft.com
  1937.     [5:07:40 AM] Erik Broes: i think the large ones will change right away
  1938.     [5:07:47 AM] Erik Broes: well as fast as a large one can change :)
  1939.     [5:08:13 AM] VoxaDub: Well yeah most likely they will, but If it impedes on donations that
  1940.  
  1941. could be another story.
  1942.     [5:08:27 AM] danstoogood: I'm happy to re-work my packages, just I'd like to know if you're
  1943.  
  1944. completely aboloshing the "purchase" idea
  1945.     [5:08:30 AM | Edited 5:08:32 AM] danstoogood: (worry)
  1946.     [5:08:33 AM] bloxparadise_: so what do you want us to change exactly
  1947.     [5:09:03 AM] 9gigsofram: they'll either comply or move to safe havens so they don't need to
  1948.  
  1949. i suppose :P
  1950.     [5:09:13 AM] bloxparadise_: can you guys maybe announce this somehow
  1951.     [5:09:14 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: that is the plan yes
  1952.     [5:09:27 AM] Erik Broes: but again, nothing set in stone :)
  1953.     [5:09:40 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah thats my question lol, seems everyone at mojangs keeps avoiding
  1954.  
  1955. answering it too.
  1956.     [5:10:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik you want to completely stop us from getting donations
  1957.     [5:10:26 AM] danstoogood: so hypixel will no longer have a VIP option, if what is currently
  1958.  
  1959. being planned was to take place?
  1960.     [5:10:33 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will when we change it
  1961.     [5:10:45 AM] Erik Broes: no, you can get donations, but as donations work, you cannot give
  1962.  
  1963. anything back -- because then it is a purchase
  1964.     [5:11:14 AM] VoxaDub: So the goal is to get rid of server purchases?
  1965.     [5:11:18 AM] VoxaDub: Oh dear god.
  1966.     [5:11:40 AM] bloxparadise_: rip minecraft
  1967.     [5:11:43 AM] VoxaDub: So I'm assuming buycraft and enjin will be shut down?
  1968.     [5:11:53 AM] 9gigsofram: that not going to fly :P
  1969.     [5:12:11 AM] bloxparadise_: erik, you are a bitch
  1970.     [5:12:14 AM] bloxparadise_: sincerely
  1971.     [5:12:15 AM] bloxparadise_: me
  1972.     [5:12:38 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:42:16 PM ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ | Public Skype] me
  1973.      
  1974.     *everyone
  1975.     [5:12:45 AM] bloxparadise_: Not just you but the shits working at Mojang that want to ruin
  1976.  
  1977. this game that was perfect before
  1978.     [5:13:01 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs yeah my thoughts exactly....
  1979.     [5:13:07 AM] Erik Broes: blox: i'm not a dog :D
  1980.     [5:13:23 AM] VoxaDub: This is literally going to ruin minecraft, I really dont want to
  1981.  
  1982. start an argument but why would mojang ever think this would be a good idea?
  1983.     [5:13:24 AM] ngusox: "I like dicks in and around my mouth" -Erik
  1984.     [5:13:39 AM] bloxparadise_: sure you may not be a dog but you're sure acting like one
  1985.     [5:13:55 AM | Edited 5:14:08 AM] danstoogood: yeah as much as I think Hypixel, Mineplex, my
  1986.  
  1987. server, others in this chat, etc will stop
  1988.     [5:14:00 AM] Erik Broes: how are we ruining the game by enforcing/loosening the EULA? O.o
  1989.     [5:14:20 AM] bloxparadise_: first your shitty uuid updates
  1990.     [5:14:25 AM] bloxparadise_: now this bullshit?
  1991.     [5:14:25 AM | Edited 5:14:27 AM] danstoogood: you're going to have all the servers that are
  1992.  
  1993. causing you problems
  1994.     [5:14:28 AM] danstoogood: still causing you problems
  1995.     [5:14:30 AM | Edited 5:14:31 AM] bloxparadise_: get your head outta your ass m8
  1996.     [5:14:32 AM] VoxaDub: Because servers are what made the game become what it is.
  1997.     [5:14:40 AM] VoxaDub: I cant see how you wouldnt agree?
  1998.     [5:14:55 AM] 9gigsofram: the problem is as i brought up before
  1999.     [5:14:55 AM] danstoogood: and you cannot take people to court over that
  2000.     [5:14:59 AM] bloxparadise_: yes @VoxaDub im sure he knows that
  2001.     [5:14:59 AM] danstoogood: you're still going to get the emails :P
  2002.     [5:15:00 AM | Edited 5:15:03 AM] Erik Broes: prepping for renames *after* 1.8 is something
  2003.  
  2004. bad? O.o
  2005.     [5:15:03 AM] 9gigsofram: people can completely ignore it
  2006.     [5:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: if they have the knowhow and money
  2007.     [5:15:20 AM] VoxaDub: Blox, I cant imaging this is up to erik, I may be wrong but he might
  2008.  
  2009. not have a say.
  2010.     [5:15:25 AM] 9gigsofram: so large servers will get larger
  2011.     [5:15:26 AM] 9gigsofram: generally that is only large servers
  2012.     [5:15:30 AM] 9gigsofram: and smaller ones smaller
  2013.     [5:15:56 AM] VoxaDub: I understand mojang obviously wants to make more money, its
  2014.  
  2015. understandable, but by doing this it will ultimately kill their game.
  2016.     [5:15:58 AM] danstoogood: 9gigs speaks the truth!
  2017.     [5:16:09 AM] danstoogood: and the large servers are not causing Mojang any problems...
  2018.     [5:16:19 AM] Erik Broes: we'll give our lawyers some exercise then in that scenario
  2019.     [5:16:23 AM | Edited 5:16:34 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs very true the large ones that can survive
  2020.  
  2021. will thrive the most.
  2022.     [5:16:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i honestly hope it does
  2023.     [5:17:06 AM] VoxaDub: Wow, really sad to see that said to be honest. :/
  2024.     [5:17:08 AM] Drew: So silly :P
  2025.     [5:17:21 AM] VoxaDub: Mojang is turning themself into the bad guy now...
  2026.     [5:17:25 AM] 9gigsofram: erik
  2027.     [5:17:27 AM] 9gigsofram: that will not work at all
  2028.     [5:17:28 AM] 9gigsofram: lol
  2029.     [5:17:33 AM | Edited 5:17:34 AM] danstoogood: erik can we speak to some other Mojang
  2030.  
  2031. employees about this?
  2032.     [5:17:46 AM] bloxparadise_: erik I hope you lose your job, I hope some hobo that has
  2033.  
  2034. flammable piss pisses all over your shit, then you
  2035.     [5:17:50 AM] 9gigsofram: they just need to be represented somwhere with lax copywrite laws
  2036.     [5:17:56 AM] danstoogood: because I feel you are exagerating this issue, sort of bending it
  2037.  
  2038. the way you want it to go
  2039.     [5:17:56 AM] 9gigsofram: like the private wow servers are
  2040.     [5:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: like who? :)
  2041.     [5:18:02 AM] bloxparadise_: most arrogant person i've met up to now
  2042.     [5:18:11 AM] bloxparadise_: mind getting other employees in here?
  2043.     [5:18:16 AM] 9gigsofram: itll work for midlevel and small
  2044.     [5:18:18 AM] 9gigsofram: but not large
  2045.     [5:18:22 AM] VoxaDub: Well fuck no idea how I'm going to pay for college now.
  2046.     [5:18:34 AM] danstoogood: I feel like you're turning us against Mojang in general, and
  2047.  
  2048. "twisting" their proposed plans
  2049.     [5:18:36 AM] 9gigsofram: and any lawsuit will take years
  2050.     [5:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i hope @lelddos ddoses realms
  2051.     [5:18:44 AM] Drew: Imma  go have to work somewhere now and wont be able to dev anymore :)
  2052.     [5:18:49 AM] Drew: Guess this is what erik wants
  2053.     [5:18:54 AM] 9gigsofram: i assume that is sarcasm voxa lol
  2054.     [5:19:03 AM] Drew: No more people doing stuff for minecraft :D
  2055.     [5:19:04 AM] ngusox: lold
  2056.     [5:19:13 AM] Erik Broes: blox: how on earth am I arrogant? because I can argue for the
  2057.  
  2058. things I say?
  2059.     [5:19:18 AM] VoxaDub: God I cant even imagine the havoc its going to create.
  2060.     [5:19:31 AM] 9gigsofram: he's not arrogant :P
  2061.     [5:19:49 AM] 9gigsofram: just keep in mind once you do this you cannot take it back
  2062.     [5:19:54 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:49:11 PM Erik Broes] blox: how on earth am I
  2063.  
  2064. arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say?
  2065.      
  2066.     No because you dont listen to anyone but yourself
  2067.     [5:19:58 AM | Edited 5:20:01 AM] 9gigsofram: as you'd be increasing your liability if you
  2068.  
  2069. did
  2070.     [5:20:01 AM] bloxparadise_: no because you want to fuck this game up
  2071.     [5:20:18 AM] danstoogood: I feel that Erik is stating what he wants, rather than what
  2072.  
  2073. Mojang are discussing
  2074.     [5:20:27 AM] danstoogood: if you don't mind me asking, what happened to your server? :P
  2075.     [5:21:13 AM] Erik Broes: I've said a lot of times before that whatever i'm saying is *my*
  2076.  
  2077. opinion
  2078.     [5:21:46 AM] bloxparadise_: let me guess some hobo with flammable piss pissed on his
  2079.  
  2080. physical box
  2081.     [5:21:50 AM] VoxaDub: Erik had a server? :O
  2082.     [5:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: funny that MC is still around then
  2083.     [5:22:06 AM] Erik Broes: oh wait, that is solely because of servers right?
  2084.     [5:22:15 AM] xllgummybearxll: No offense, but I don't think anyone wants your opinion. We
  2085.  
  2086. want the truth
  2087.     [5:22:30 AM] Erik Broes: that is what i've also given
  2088.     [5:22:37 AM] Erik Broes: you have more info than anyone on the planet
  2089.     [5:22:51 AM] bloxparadise_: Yeah and being the dumbass you are, shutting down hypixel/big
  2090.  
  2091. servers won't help
  2092.     [5:22:56 AM] VoxaDub: @xllgummybearxll true that
  2093.     [5:22:57 AM | Edited 5:23:06 AM] danstoogood: I am seeing people forgetting about the
  2094.  
  2095. needless hours of time that go into Minecraft Servers, and assuming it's free money
  2096.     [5:23:00 AM] danstoogood: because I am seeing two sides of the story here
  2097.     [5:23:39 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah exactly what dan said
  2098.     [5:23:47 AM] Erik Broes: how are we shutting down big servers?
  2099.     [5:23:52 AM] VoxaDub: apparently it wasnt going to happen according to @Marc_IRL
  2100.     [5:23:54 AM] Erik Broes: they just have to change their business a bit and will have a
  2101.  
  2102. legal way to conduct it after the discussed changes
  2103.     [5:24:22 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, why ask such silly questions.
  2104.     [5:24:23 AM] bloxparadise_: "change their business" you mean remove it?
  2105.     [5:24:28 AM] VoxaDub: How would you not be shutting down servers by doing that?
  2106.     [5:24:35 AM] Erik Broes: We will tell the community when we're doing the change
  2107.     [5:24:42 AM] bloxparadise_: do you even know what the hell hypixel runs on?
  2108.     [5:24:46 AM] Erik Broes: which is when we decide on what we will change
  2109.     [5:24:48 AM] bloxparadise_: how much money it costs to maintain their structure?
  2110.     [5:24:51 AM] bloxparadise_: obviously you don't
  2111.     [5:24:52 AM] danstoogood: so Erik, could we add some other employees to discuss this?
  2112.     [5:24:55 AM] VoxaDub: @blox lol......
  2113.     [5:24:56 AM] xllgummybearxll: Servers need donations to keep them up. How can you keep a
  2114.  
  2115. server up without cash? It's not like anyone can run a 32 GB machine free of charge.
  2116.     [5:25:14 AM] bloxparadise_: trust me, kids won't donate if they don't get perks
  2117.     [5:25:22 AM] bloxparadise_: agreed @dan
  2118.     [5:25:51 AM] VoxaDub: Next step on mojangs agenda >> Remove multiplayer button >> Replace
  2119.  
  2120. with realms
  2121.     [5:26:20 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what do you think they'll say different? that you have been
  2122.  
  2123. not ignoring our EULA and that we didn't have a meeting to do changes? unless you get
  2124.  
  2125. Dinnerbone in here you will get even harsher views than I've presented sofar
  2126.     [5:26:42 AM] VoxaDub: I dont know anyone that 'dontates to donate' anymore, its expected to
  2127.  
  2128. receive something for buying something on the server
  2129.     [5:26:47 AM] bloxparadise_: lool
  2130.     [5:27:00 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: I still don't get why realms keeps getting dragged into
  2131.  
  2132. this discussion -- did oyu see your numbers drop since realms is live?
  2133.     [5:27:11 AM] danstoogood: why not add him Erik? :)
  2134.     [5:27:33 AM] bloxparadise_: Stop denying the question
  2135.     [5:27:35 AM] bloxparadise_: Add another employee
  2136.     [5:27:48 AM] Erik Broes: Because he has no patience for most people here ;)
  2137.     [5:27:54 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys
  2138.     [5:27:56 AM] aa2202aa2202: just chill
  2139.     [5:28:00 AM] aa2202aa2202: and let them enforce this method
  2140.     [5:28:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: :)
  2141.     [5:28:06 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: every decision always hurts everything and everyone, even us
  2142.  
  2143. making a new version … it's always panic
  2144.     [5:28:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Not a problem for most of us anyways
  2145.     [5:28:10 AM] xllgummybearxll: "Patience"
  2146.     [5:28:20 AM] bloxparadise_: He better get some patience then -.-
  2147.     [5:28:23 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, no. The Point is that mojang wants more money and thats their
  2148.  
  2149. only other option as of now
  2150.     [5:28:56 AM] 9gigsofram: good point
  2151.     [5:29:05 AM] 9gigsofram: if servers have less features
  2152.     [5:29:12 AM] 9gigsofram: realms will get more popular :P
  2153.     [5:29:33 AM] danstoogood: I think if everyone found about the real reason this is happening
  2154.  
  2155. the rest of the community would have a different opinon - don't you Erik? ;)
  2156.     [5:29:34 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: no, we made a system that filled a need people have -- it
  2157.  
  2158. has nothing to do with any other servers
  2159.     [5:29:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: If Mojang is just looking for money, there are so many other
  2160.  
  2161. routes unexplored.
  2162.     [5:30:04 AM] Erik Broes: we're not looking for money at all
  2163.     [5:30:21 AM] VoxaDub: How, can you not say that all these new changes are ultimately to
  2164.  
  2165. promote realms?
  2166.     [5:30:27 AM] Erik Broes: we just dont want the game to turn into a pay-to-
  2167.  
  2168. win/microtransaction crapfest
  2169.     [5:30:27 AM] xllgummybearxll: mhm
  2170.     [5:30:50 AM] bloxparadise_: then give us realms for free
  2171.     [5:31:16 AM] VoxaDub: If they're not looking for money why would they care about servers
  2172.  
  2173. making money then?
  2174.     [5:31:23 AM] danstoogood: not for free.
  2175.     [5:31:26 AM] danstoogood: for the price it costs them.
  2176.     [5:31:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Why?
  2177.     [5:31:31 AM] Erik Broes: Because realms  is a super simple 'single-player-but-on-a-server-
  2178.  
  2179. with-your-friends-without-mods' experience for 'at most' 10 people pure vanilla
  2180.     [5:31:33 AM] danstoogood: surely that'd be acceptable
  2181.     [5:31:34 AM] VoxaDub: And how convinent for it to come up right as realms is starting out.
  2182.     [5:32:01 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: as i said before, i brought it up 7months ago -- we have
  2183.  
  2184. EULA changes in the pipeline for 7 months as well
  2185.     [5:32:03 AM] VoxaDub: Its been pay2win since multiplayer was realeased....
  2186.     [5:32:09 AM] Erik Broes: ones that are far more drastic than the new ones
  2187.     [5:32:15 AM | Edited 5:32:19 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and that makes it good how?
  2188.     [5:32:20 AM] bloxparadise_: yet it costs money
  2189.     [5:32:24 AM] VoxaDub: Ever since servers started up with enjin store it has been
  2190.     [5:33:27 AM] VoxaDub: Ok but if mojang doesnt care about money why are they worried about
  2191.  
  2192. updating the EULA then? It was pay2win far before 7 months ago wouldnt you agree?
  2193.     [5:33:28 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:31 AM] Amir Omidi:
  2194.      
  2195.     <<< No one is "forcing" players to pay.nobody is even forcing them to play for that matter
  2196.     [5:33:34 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: no-one is forcing servers to ask for payments, we even have
  2197.  
  2198. this EULA stating you cannot do that
  2199.     [5:33:53 AM] VoxaDub: I never said pay2win was good, its just a part of servers now its
  2200.  
  2201. expected and accepted.
  2202.     [5:34:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: mineplex got 70 GBPS
  2203.     [5:34:22 AM] aa2202aa2202: ddos
  2204.     [5:34:54 AM] VoxaDub: Well there are a few servers where you must donate to play
  2205.     [5:35:11 AM] Erik Broes: voxadub: yeah and because of this 'now it is accepted and
  2206.  
  2207. expected' -- that exactly is what makes us change it
  2208.     [5:35:38 AM] 9gigsofram: it wasnt the bandwidth that causd the problem
  2209.     [5:35:41 AM] 9gigsofram: but the content
  2210.     [5:35:52 AM] 9gigsofram: was a ssyn flood
  2211.     [5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one threatened to ddos mojang
  2212.     [5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: .?
  2213.     [5:36:46 AM] 9gigsofram: udp floods generally go unnoticed on incapsula and alot of simular
  2214.  
  2215. providers as they drop it
  2216.     [5:36:50 AM] 9gigsofram: since websites and scuh dont need it
  2217.     [5:36:56 AM] Erik Broes: oh people have :P
  2218.     [5:36:58 AM] Erik Broes: lots of time ;)
  2219.     [5:37:01 AM] 9gigsofram: [5:36 AM] Amir:
  2220.      
  2221.     <<< No-one threatened to ddos mojang
  2222.     .?
  2223.     [5:37:02 AM] Erik Broes: (and they do)
  2224.     [5:37:06 AM] 9gigsofram: i suggested that it could happen
  2225.     [5:37:10 AM] 9gigsofram: a while ago
  2226.     [5:37:10 AM] bloxparadise_: @Erik
  2227.     [5:37:11 AM] bloxparadise_: http://store.gtamc.net/category/255227
  2228.     [5:37:11 AM] bloxparadise_: xD
  2229.     [5:37:16 AM] bloxparadise_: i bet they made 100k off of kits alone lool
  2230.     [5:37:33 AM] 9gigsofram: but i assume mojang takes the same attitude as me
  2231.     [5:37:40 AM] 9gigsofram: "i do not negotiate with terrorists"
  2232.     [5:37:46 AM] bloxparadise_: why does that bother you
  2233.     [5:38:38 AM] Erik Broes: Because it is $100k spent on items that belong to the users
  2234.  
  2235. already; they have paid for them by buying the game
  2236.     [5:38:52 AM] VoxaDub: Well I guess I better get my youtube going
  2237.     [5:39:04 AM] calebmerridethbell: http://prntscr.com/3pdink any help?
  2238.     [5:39:11 AM] calebmerridethbell: Keeps giving http://prntscr.com/3pdiee
  2239.     [5:39:14 AM] Erik Broes: you do not get to resell IP that users already paid for
  2240.     [5:39:14 AM] bloxparadise_: they bought the game not extra items bro
  2241.     [5:39:15 AM] Erik Broes: cannot be that hard to understand that
  2242.     [5:39:19 AM] ileetgamerx: (facepalm)
  2243.     [5:39:22 AM] bloxparadise_: if I remove my donation system
  2244.     [5:39:27 AM] bloxparadise_: I have a shop system
  2245.     [5:39:27 AM] bloxparadise_: with signs
  2246.     [5:39:41 AM] bloxparadise_: isn't that the same thing?
  2247.     [5:39:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^^^^^^^
  2248.     [5:39:50 AM] aa2202aa2202: l0l
  2249.     [5:39:57 AM] aa2202aa2202: No seriously though
  2250.     [5:40:04 AM] aa2202aa2202: just wait out and see how mojang enforces these changes
  2251.     [5:40:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: there are no 'extra items'
  2252.     [5:40:32 AM] VoxaDub: But I thought the entire goal of minecraft was to support
  2253.  
  2254. development? And why would you take time to make awesome servers like that, that are custom
  2255.  
  2256. developed not to thicken your pocket?
  2257.     [5:41:02 AM] bloxparadise_: ^
  2258.     [5:41:30 AM | Edited 5:41:35 AM] VoxaDub: Theres not 'extra items' on donation stores?
  2259.     [5:41:58 AM] VoxaDub: Its all stuff you can do just ingame essentially
  2260.     [5:41:58 AM] Erik Broes: huh? the goal of minecraft to support development? that makes no
  2261.  
  2262. sense
  2263.     [5:42:03 AM] VoxaDub: for the most part at least
  2264.     [5:42:22 AM] bloxparadise_: neither does your stupid ass eula
  2265.     [5:42:35 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Erik are you done talking yet
  2266.     [5:42:55 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Could we at least have our final moments with
  2267.  
  2268. server profits be peaceful
  2269.     [5:42:56 AM] 9gigsofram: is it differant if they can earn the items ingame?
  2270.     [5:43:16 AM] Erik Broes: blox: feel free to grow up :)
  2271.     [5:43:24 AM] bloxparadise_: lool
  2272.     [5:43:48 AM] VoxaDub: Sorry worded odd, meant to say that a large part of minecraft was the
  2273.  
  2274. development side of it, and mojang initially supporting it such as mods and new server
  2275.  
  2276. gamemodes and such and with the new enforced EULA's that wont be nearly as much of a
  2277.  
  2278. possibility
  2279.     [5:43:53 AM] bloxparadise_: im 15, not ready for that yet
  2280.     [5:44:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys
  2281.     [5:44:19 AM] VoxaDub: @Reno yup, yup, yup....
  2282.     [5:44:31 AM] Erik Broes: blox: but you can read right? so you must be able to read the
  2283.  
  2284. EULA? :D
  2285.     [5:44:46 AM] Erik Broes: not will we ever
  2286.     [5:44:59 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we *never* supported mods of any sorts
  2287.     [5:45:01 AM] VoxaDub: Well hopefully we at least get the summer :P
  2288.     [5:45:05 AM] Erik Broes: and there are no 'new server game modes' -- people added minigames
  2289.  
  2290. -- that's it
  2291.     [5:45:07 AM] bloxparadise_: yeh I can read it but it's still stupid as fuck
  2292.     [5:45:20 AM] VoxaDub: Erik was it not encouraged though?....
  2293.     [5:45:39 AM] Erik Broes: yeah i agree, its stupid as fuck that eventhough the EULA says you
  2294.  
  2295. cannot make money you start making money of it
  2296.     [5:45:41 AM] ileetgamerx: The stupidity that I just read... (facepalm)
  2297.     [5:45:41 AM] VoxaDub: Thats like a huge aspect of minecraft
  2298.     [5:45:50 AM] Erik Broes: i mean that is as stupid as spending the money from a paypal
  2299.  
  2300. 'donation' before the contestation period is over
  2301.     [5:45:54 AM] VoxaDub: Mainly a large reason why it got so popular
  2302.     [5:46:07 AM | Edited 5:46:35 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: ONE MAJOR RULE
  2303.      
  2304.     The one major rule is that you must not distribute anything we‘ve made. By “distribute
  2305.  
  2306. anything we‘ve made” what we mean is “give copies of the game away, make commercial use of, try
  2307.  
  2308. to make money from, or let other people get access to our game and its parts in a way that is
  2309.  
  2310. unfair or unreasonable”. So the one major rule is that (unless we specifically agree it – such
  2311.  
  2312. as in brand and asset usage guidelines) you must not:
  2313.      
  2314.     - give copies of our Game to anyone else;
  2315.     - make commercial use of anything we‘ve made;
  2316.     - try to make money from anything we‘ve made; or
  2317.     - let other people get access to anything we‘ve made in a way that is unfair or
  2318.  
  2319. unreasonable.
  2320.      
  2321.     …and so that we are crystal clear, what we have made includes, but is not limited to, the
  2322.  
  2323. client or the server software for our Game. It also includes modified versions of a Game, part
  2324.  
  2325. of it or anything else we‘ve made.
  2326.      
  2327.     Otherwise we are quite relaxed about what you do - in fact we really encourage you to do
  2328.  
  2329. cool stuff - but just don‘t do those things that we say you can‘t.
  2330.     [5:46:11 AM] wavemakerhse: erik what was that whole modding panel at minecon about?
  2331.     [5:46:25 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we didn't not let you do it as many other games did
  2332.     [5:46:35 AM] VoxaDub: Because it was one of the first games to be truly open source for the
  2333.  
  2334. most part that allowed freedom to the players to create it as they wanted
  2335.     [5:46:37 AM] wavemakerhse: the community is what made minecraft minecraft. and the
  2336.  
  2337. community decided to innovate
  2338.     [5:46:41 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then mojang decides to kill it
  2339.     [5:47:17 AM] 9gigsofram: erik
  2340.     [5:47:21 AM] Erik Broes: x_Height: about what modders do with the game? doesn't mean we
  2341.  
  2342. support it in any official capacity
  2343.     [5:47:28 AM] 9gigsofram: put the eula change out after you put out the modding api
  2344.     [5:47:41 AM] 9gigsofram: (rofl)
  2345.     [5:47:41 AM] wavemakerhse: and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that
  2346.  
  2347. from us just because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell
  2348.     [5:47:46 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we've never been opensource -- we haven't cracked down on
  2349.  
  2350. people decompiling the game and changing it -- the rules around this never have changed though
  2351.     [5:47:58 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: You know, the more I look at Mojang's logo, the
  2352.  
  2353. more it looks like they took the Apple logo and messed with it
  2354.     [5:48:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: so never? we're not doing a modding api
  2355.     [5:48:08 AM] VoxaDub: Im really confused to be hones, you seem to be going two sided on a
  2356.  
  2357. lot of things.
  2358.     [5:48:18 AM] bloxparadise_: ^^^^^
  2359.     [5:48:52 AM] VoxaDub: Erik: I meant opensource in broader terms, more for modding and
  2360.  
  2361. server plugin wise
  2362.     [5:48:56 AM] ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] x_Height | Ethan:
  2363.      
  2364.     <<< and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we
  2365.  
  2366. have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell^^^^^^^
  2367.     [5:49:38 AM | Edited 5:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:48 AM] Leet:
  2368.      
  2369.     <<< and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we
  2370.  
  2371. have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  2372.     [5:50:32 AM] bloxparadise_: lies
  2373.     [5:50:35 AM] 9gigsofram: correct
  2374.     [5:50:50 AM] VoxaDub: I somewhat doubt theres any server owners out there that have made
  2375.  
  2376. more than mojang.
  2377.     [5:51:06 AM] VoxaDub: I dont recall any server owner managing to make around 500mil or more
  2378.  
  2379. off his/her server
  2380.     [5:51:27 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: its like a sewing machine :P
  2381.     [5:51:46 AM] Erik Broes: we dont make $500M of our server either :P
  2382.     [5:52:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: I dont think any of us make 500 Million
  2383.     [5:52:20 AM] nextinlinebro_: lol
  2384.     [5:52:24 AM] dillyg10: I do
  2385.     [5:52:26 AM] wavemakerhse: voxadub, I was talking about everyone in general
  2386.     [5:52:39 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah I was referring to game sales on all platforms
  2387.     [5:53:01 AM] bloxparadise_: ./eco reset hypixel
  2388.     [5:53:02 AM | Edited 5:53:06 AM] bloxparadise_: happy?
  2389.     [5:53:23 AM] bloxparadise_: if I made 500 million I wouldn't be here arguing
  2390.     [5:54:10 AM] wavemakerhse: XD\
  2391.     [5:54:36 AM] VoxaDub: x_height, I still highly doubt all servers pooled together it would
  2392.  
  2393. be more than what mojang made
  2394.     [5:54:50 AM] ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] Erik Broes:
  2395.      
  2396.     <<< 9gigsofram: so never? we're not doing a modding api..What made you guys decide to not
  2397.  
  2398. work on the mod api?
  2399.     [5:55:04 AM] bloxparadise_: doubt it also
  2400.     [5:55:16 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and still any server making anything through sales is
  2401.  
  2402. wrong
  2403.     [5:55:21 AM] Erik Broes: which is almost every server :)
  2404.     [5:55:36 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: plugin api? :P
  2405.     [5:55:57 AM] bloxparadise_: how is it wrong
  2406.     [5:56:00 AM] dillyg10: You know, I think I agree with Erik in the new EULA
  2407.     [5:56:16 AM] wavemakerhse: how is it wrong?
  2408.     [5:56:21 AM] bloxparadise_: the fuck
  2409.     [5:56:36 AM] danstoogood: Erik
  2410.     [5:56:38 AM] VoxaDub: Without the EULA though how is it 'wrong'?
  2411.     [5:56:41 AM] ileetgamerx: No, the mod api, that you talked about here:
  2412.  
  2413. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTl3aWEvEA
  2414.     [5:56:42 AM] danstoogood: what happened to your server? :O
  2415.     [5:56:46 AM] danstoogood: is it still out there? :O
  2416.     [5:56:50 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: yes i think so -- havent been there for eons though
  2417.     [5:56:55 AM] Erik Broes: think it shrunk a bit :)
  2418.     [5:57:27 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: i never talked about a mod api
  2419.     [5:57:32 AM] dillyg10: Server owerns have gotten greedy
  2420.     [5:57:36 AM | Edited 5:57:45 AM] dillyg10: It's time to make a change
  2421.     [5:58:03 AM | Edited 5:58:11 AM] wavemakerhse: Please respond to the question erik. What is
  2422.  
  2423. wrong with us making money off of minecraft
  2424.     [5:58:18 AM] Erik Broes: ^^ :D
  2425.     [5:58:19 AM] VoxaDub: So has mojang? So hows it any different?
  2426.     [5:58:20 AM] bloxparadise_: HOW
  2427.     [5:58:32 AM] bloxparadise_: how much did he pay you
  2428.     [5:58:47 AM] danstoogood: Erik could you link us to the server?
  2429.     [5:58:54 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, looking at the back and forth here
  2430.     [5:58:57 AM] danstoogood: or atleast provide us with the name?
  2431.     [5:59:03 AM] Erik Broes: how on earth have we gotten greedy?
  2432.     [5:59:04 AM] dillyg10: No wonder he's taking away your profit
  2433.     [5:59:10 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: tweakcraft.net iirc
  2434.     [5:59:13 AM] dillyg10: You all act like a bunch of dicks to him
  2435.     [5:59:31 AM] VoxaDub: Dilly do you even run a server?
  2436.     [5:59:37 AM] dillyg10: If THIS is what is representing the server owner community
  2437.     [5:59:45 AM] Drew: Erik sounds like a 12yr old troll
  2438.     [5:59:47 AM] dillyg10: Then I can totally understand why Mojang wants to do what it's doing
  2439.     [5:59:56 AM] bloxparadise_: hey we tried talking to him but he's too busy learning swedish
  2440.  
  2441. or whatever the fuck it was
  2442.     [6:00:15 AM] VoxaDub: How am I acting like a dick? I'm having a civil argument.
  2443.     [6:00:23 AM] danstoogood: ouch Erik
  2444.     [6:00:28 AM] dillyg10: I do Voxa
  2445.     [6:00:28 AM] danstoogood: your server offers VIP
  2446.     [6:00:28 AM] danstoogood: http://www.tweakcraft.net/donate
  2447.     [6:00:43 AM] danstoogood: Access to the VIP forum
  2448.     Access to the Survival world (without a separate request via forum)
  2449.     Participation in VIP meetings
  2450.     More teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, / tpforward
  2451.     TNT arrows using / tnta
  2452.     Sponges also work on lava
  2453.     [6:01:08 AM] VoxaDub: lol....
  2454.     [6:01:38 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:00 AM] Amir Omidi:
  2455.      
  2456.     <<< You're making money off of someone elses workI thoght someone building something or
  2457.  
  2458. someone making a plugin or a mod was their own work?..
  2459.     [6:01:49 AM] danstoogood: you call it a donation
  2460.     [6:01:55 AM] danstoogood: but I thought you were offering all of that
  2461.     [6:02:02 AM] danstoogood: it's a purchase then, SURELY?
  2462.     [6:02:20 AM] danstoogood: THIS HYPOCRISY IS INCREDIBLE
  2463.     [6:02:38 AM] bloxparadise_: this chat is giving me cancer
  2464.     [6:02:39 AM] *** bloxparadise_ has left ***
  2465.     [6:02:53 AM] Erik Broes: dan that was different when I was still involved; they'd also have
  2466.  
  2467. to change
  2468.     [6:03:36 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: so they are not 'ingame' -- that is the part tha matters
  2469.     [6:03:49 AM] Erik Broes: you can sell whatever the fuck you want -- but it has nothing to
  2470.  
  2471. do with our game and shouldn;t be reflected in it
  2472.     [6:04:53 AM] VoxaDub: Idea: Mojang makes the next mineplex makes 1mil per month everyones
  2473.  
  2474. happy
  2475.     [6:05:10 AM | Edited 6:05:54 AM] danstoogood: we are ripping people off - when Mojang is
  2476.  
  2477. charging £8 a month for a 20 slot server
  2478.     Erik accuses us of mispresenting information - http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet a
  2479.  
  2480. server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO payment option for VIP that they call a
  2481.  
  2482. donation, phaa
  2483.     we're using Mojang's "platform" to make money which is apparently so different to them
  2484.  
  2485. using oracles platform to make money
  2486.      
  2487.     all of these changes Erik is stating is purely his opinion, and he's breaking the EULA
  2488.  
  2489. himself (yes, he's an employee too!?!?!)
  2490.     [6:05:20 AM] Erik Broes: no because its not about the money VoxaDub
  2491.     [6:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: *WAS* an adminisrtator
  2492.     [6:05:52 AM] danstoogood: seems you're still listed there
  2493.     [6:05:57 AM] VoxaDub: Worth a shot :P
  2494.     [6:05:58 AM] Erik Broes: i havent done anything with that server since 6-7 months after
  2495.  
  2496. Bukkit started orso
  2497.     [6:06:00 AM] danstoogood: I thought the EULA was always like that?
  2498.     [6:06:04 AM] danstoogood: as you yourself said
  2499.     [6:06:11 AM] Erik Broes: yes, listed because they are proud i was there once upon a time
  2500.     [6:06:20 AM] Erik Broes: i have no rights at all, 'old furniture' it is :P
  2501.     [6:06:21 AM] danstoogood: but Erik, the EULA has always been like that
  2502.     [6:06:32 AM] VoxaDub: Then how is it up to date? Has 1.7 really been out that long? o.O
  2503.     [6:06:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: Are you going to charge us to make single player worlds next?
  2504.  
  2505. :P
  2506.     [6:07:38 AM] Erik Broes: Dan and 'back in my time' we just had the donations open for 2
  2507.  
  2508. days and got enough money to fund the server for another 9 months
  2509.     [6:07:59 AM] danstoogood: "After a fundraiser there by the various members put together
  2510.  
  2511. enough money to hire."
  2512.     [6:08:07 AM] danstoogood: seems you actually needed a fundraiser
  2513.     [6:08:14 AM] danstoogood: and you still offered various pay to win perks
  2514.     [6:08:21 AM] danstoogood: including a private world - WOW
  2515.     [6:08:27 AM] Erik Broes: Gummy: we're not charging for anything -- neither should you :P
  2516.     [6:08:58 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: I can repeat it once more -- i *USED* to admin on that server
  2517.  
  2518. a long long long time ago
  2519.     [6:09:12 AM] 9gigsofram: erik you have an unfair advantage
  2520.     [6:09:17 AM] 9gigsofram: and that was a differant time anyway :P
  2521.     [6:09:45 AM] *** VoxaDub added bloxparadise_ ***
  2522.     [6:09:55 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: things were different back then -- though they'd still fall
  2523.  
  2524. under the 'wrong' category; we gave away yellow nicks for the people who donated
  2525.     [6:10:32 AM] danstoogood: [6:00 AM] Dan:
  2526.      
  2527.     <<< Access to the VIP forum
  2528.     Access to the Survival world (without a separate request via forum)
  2529.     Participation in VIP meetings
  2530.     More teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, / tpforward
  2531.     TNT arrows using / tnta
  2532.     Sponges also work on lava
  2533.     [6:10:38 AM] danstoogood: you literally sectioned off VIPs from the normal players
  2534.     [6:10:39 AM] ngusox: welcome back i missed u
  2535.     [6:10:41 AM] danstoogood: now if that isn't pay to win
  2536.     [6:10:58 AM] ngusox: http://putin2stronk.com/
  2537.     [6:10:59 AM] Erik Broes: I'm actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something
  2538.  
  2539. like that, or a 'pet in the lobby' -- however it's super hard to define the grey area so its
  2540.  
  2541. simpler to simply say no in general
  2542.     [6:11:11 AM] xllgummybearxll: Your not charging for anything? You make others pay £8 a
  2543.  
  2544. month like Dan said just for a 20 slot server
  2545.     [6:11:18 AM] danstoogood: so you are ok with that?
  2546.     [6:11:19 AM] bloxparadise_: i got chemo
  2547.     [6:11:24 AM] danstoogood: earlier you told me $5 for a color name was terrible
  2548.     [6:11:35 AM] youaresohistory1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvU8fJCg834#t=62
  2549.     [6:11:37 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: i think it is -- and i'm not ok with that nor involved with
  2550.  
  2551. that server for a long time :)
  2552.     [6:12:12 AM] VoxaDub: so simple.... :/
  2553.     [6:12:46 AM] danstoogood: [6:10 AM] Erik Broes:
  2554.      
  2555.     <<< I'm actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet
  2556.  
  2557. in the lobby'
  2558.     [6:12:52 AM] danstoogood: but you think it is terrible
  2559.     [6:12:55 AM] danstoogood: OOOKKKK
  2560.     [6:14:33 AM] ileetgamerx: Erik can you explain what you are and aren't ok with, if you
  2561.  
  2562. explained it before I missed it.
  2563.     [6:14:44 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: no,  others think that, but it's impossible to define the
  2564.  
  2565. gray area
  2566.     [6:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: can't sell items, but can sell perks
  2567.     [6:15:17 AM] 9gigsofram: that is less grey :P
  2568.     [6:15:17 AM] Erik Broes: Amir when our client is involved so is the EULA
  2569.     [6:15:28 AM] 9gigsofram: perks come from pluigns / mods generally
  2570.     [6:16:13 AM] bloxparadise_: what if I sold a block of stone, and that stone was named "sexy
  2571.  
  2572. block"
  2573.     [6:16:16 AM] bloxparadise_: it wouldn't be stone
  2574.     [6:16:19 AM] bloxparadise_: it'd be sexy block :D
  2575.     [6:16:37 AM] 9gigsofram: i didnt agree to this eula while installing minecraft :O
  2576.     [6:16:45 AM] ileetgamerx: So we cannot sell items from Minecraft, but we can sell a rank
  2577.  
  2578. that contains perks from our own plugins  that we made? Example: Join full game servers for a
  2579.  
  2580. game plugin I made but NOT selling a diamond sword?
  2581.     [6:17:02 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:16 AM] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ | Public Skype:
  2582.      
  2583.     <<< what if I sold a block of stone, and that stone was named "sexy block"
  2584.     it wouldn't be stone
  2585.     it'd be sexy block :DLOL
  2586.     [6:17:09 AM] bloxparadise_: no, erik said he wants to stop all purchases
  2587.     [6:17:15 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: er on phone now so rather not. But I  short anything that
  2588.  
  2589. doesn't change gameplay would be fine from my perspective.
  2590.     [6:17:28 AM | Edited 6:17:33 AM] 9gigsofram: no he siad you cant sell anything
  2591.     [6:17:36 AM] danstoogood: Erik, I get the feeling you're one of those people that wouldn't
  2592.  
  2593. even accept a voluntary donation for a beer
  2594.     [6:17:46 AM] danstoogood: and would rather donate it to charity
  2595.     [6:17:56 AM] 9gigsofram: hmmm
  2596.     [6:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: I don't like beer, so no
  2597.     [6:18:05 AM] xllgummybearxll: Kids don't have to donate.
  2598.     [6:18:09 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:17 AM] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ | Public Skype:
  2599.      
  2600.     <<< no, erik said he wants to stop all purchases
  2601.     [6:11 AM] Erik Broes:
  2602.      
  2603.     <<< I'm actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet
  2604.  
  2605. in the lobby'
  2606.     [6:18:19 AM] Erik Broes: Nah I don't do charity
  2607.     [6:18:25 AM] bloxparadise_: oh
  2608.     [6:18:33 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:17 AM] Erik Broes:
  2609.      
  2610.     <<< Leet: er on phone now so rather not. But I  short anything that doesn't change gameplay
  2611.  
  2612. would be fine from my perspective.What about hub perks, such as flying, bypassing "Magic Clock"
  2613.  
  2614. (Vanish players), etc?
  2615.     [6:18:36 AM] Erik Broes: I have better ways to spend my money
  2616.     [6:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: so all we have to do is remove kits & blocks
  2617.     [6:18:42 AM] bloxparadise_: you're confusing as shit
  2618.     [6:19:22 AM] bloxparadise_: im sure players do to.. coughrealmscough
  2619.     [6:20:05 AM] Erik Broes:
  2620.      
  2621.     Blox: nothing has gone beyond the meeting we had this morning.
  2622.     [6:20:25 AM] bloxparadise_: earlier you said you didn't want us to even have purchases
  2623.     [6:20:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: See Erik, it's optional for people to donate. They donate for
  2624.  
  2625. perks and that is their option to buy them. You can't stop someone from making a purchase on a
  2626.  
  2627. server.
  2628.     [6:20:47 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: if you make a server that requires our client to play on it
  2629.  
  2630. you play by our rules
  2631.     [6:21:22 AM] Erik Broes: If you make your own server and client...  So your own game,  you
  2632.  
  2633. get to make your own rules.
  2634.     [6:21:41 AM] danstoogood: [6:04 AM] Dan:
  2635.      
  2636.     <<< we are ripping people off - when Mojang is charging £8 a month for a 20 slot server
  2637.     Erik accuses us of mispresenting information - http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet a
  2638.  
  2639. server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO payment option for VIP that they call a
  2640.  
  2641. donation, phaa
  2642.     we're using Mojang's "platform" to make money which is apparently so different to them
  2643.  
  2644. using oracles platform to make money
  2645.     [6:21:43 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:19 AM] Leet:
  2646.      
  2647.     <<< What about hub perks, such as flying, bypassing "Magic Clock" (Vanish players), etc?
  2648.     [6:21:46 AM] danstoogood: just consider that
  2649.     [6:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Blox: that was the gist of the meeting indeed
  2650.     [6:22:04 AM] bloxparadise_: your rules are shit tho bb
  2651.     [6:22:19 AM] danstoogood: js, if this is ever taken to another level
  2652.     [6:22:24 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: no paying money for anything ingame
  2653.     [6:22:25 AM] danstoogood: Erik has also broken the EULA
  2654.     [6:22:38 AM] danstoogood: ;)
  2655.     [6:22:53 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: yup
  2656.     [6:23:05 AM] xllgummybearxll: I agree with Dan. You said you weren't asking for money
  2657.     [6:23:08 AM] Erik Broes: Once upon a time I indeed
  2658.     [6:23:18 AM] ileetgamerx: T________________________________T you just said a hub pet or a
  2659.  
  2660. colored name was ok
  2661.     [6:23:23 AM] bloxparadise_: realy? you said a colored name was ok
  2662.     [6:23:30 AM] bloxparadise_: what the fuck are you on m8?
  2663.     [6:24:03 AM] danstoogood: so Erik can we discuss this with another representative of
  2664.  
  2665. Mojang?
  2666.     [6:24:07 AM] danstoogood: as you're only stating your opinion
  2667.     [6:24:48 AM] dillyg10: I say
  2668.     [6:24:51 AM] dillyg10: New EULA
  2669.     [6:25:00 AM] dillyg10: =
  2670.     [6:25:05 AM] dillyg10: Happier Minecraft
  2671.     [6:25:20 AM] Erik Broes: So would anyone else until it is in the EULA
  2672.     [6:25:41 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:24 AM] Dan:
  2673.      
  2674.     <<< so Erik can we discuss this with another representative of Mojang?
  2675.     as you're only stating your opinionHopefully someone who knows what they're talking about
  2676.  
  2677. and doesn't change their mind every other message.
  2678.     [6:25:42 AM] Erik Broes: Mmm bedtime!
  2679.     [6:25:52 AM] bloxparadise_: ^
  2680.     [6:26:39 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: I got an F on one of my practical assignments for
  2681.  
  2682. my Photography final
  2683.     [6:26:44 AM] danstoogood: ah
  2684.     [6:26:51 AM] danstoogood: seems Erik can't add another member of staff
  2685.     [6:26:54 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Apparently bricks aren't repetition
  2686.     [6:29:22 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: My English professor gave me a 0 on my final,
  2687.  
  2688. portfolio and oral presentation
  2689.     [6:29:32 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: wtf is wrong with these peopel
  2690.     [6:33:11 AM] youaresohistory1: Is the war over?
  2691.     [6:35:17 AM] youaresohistory1: http://i.imgur.com/GSNKcwD.png
  2692.     Add me if interested
  2693.     [6:37:09 AM | Removed 6:38:59 AM] wavemakerhse: This message has been removed.
  2694.     [6:38:05 AM] VoxaDub: ^
  2695.     [6:38:13 AM] xllgummybearxll: Can we atleast be respectful
  2696.     [6:38:24 AM] bloxparadise_: no
  2697.     [6:38:56 AM] youaresohistory1: THERE ARE NO RULES IN WAR.
  2698.     [6:39:07 AM] xllgummybearxll: Ok
  2699.     [6:39:12 AM] wavemakerhse: sorry
  2700.     [6:39:16 AM] wavemakerhse: XD
  2701.     [6:39:23 AM] bloxparadise_: lolol
  2702.     [6:40:31 AM] youaresohistory1: Regardlesss, since you guys all think this guy is stubborn
  2703.  
  2704. as fuck, there's really no point trying to change his mind. Right?
  2705.     [6:41:25 AM] bloxparadise_: no
  2706.     [6:41:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: It'd be amazing to get anther employee in here
  2707.     [6:42:15 AM] bloxparadise_: ikr
  2708.     [6:42:43 AM] dillyg10: I agree
  2709.     [6:42:49 AM] dillyg10: OH DINNERBONE
  2710.     [6:42:53 AM] dillyg10: WE CALL UPON THE
  2711.     [6:42:59 AM] danstoogood: you guys do understand what Erik is doing, right? :P
  2712.     [6:43:34 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:11:53 PM Gummy] It'd be amazing to get anther
  2713.  
  2714. employee in here
  2715.      
  2716.     That will never hapopened xD Grum does'nt want other mojangers to see how badly he
  2717.  
  2718. represents their company
  2719.     [6:43:42 AM] bloxparadise_: FUCK YOU
  2720.     [6:43:44 AM] bloxparadise_: I DONT WANT DINNERBONE IN HERE
  2721.     [6:43:47 AM] VoxaDub: *KHA KHA* Dinnerbone summoning call
  2722.     [6:44:16 AM] danstoogood: Marc_IRL said it himself, "People could have stayed cool about
  2723.  
  2724. it" whereas "the ones that are yelling and screaming about it are the ones that will force some
  2725.  
  2726. sort of a decision to be made"
  2727.     [6:44:29 AM] danstoogood: "Nothing has been changed, nothing new has been enforced."
  2728.  
  2729. create a new version of this paste RAW Paste Data
  2730. [3/06/2014 3:20:45 PM] Erik Broes: http://store.woodycraft.net/category/69401 <-- makes me sad.
  2731.  
  2732. … http://store.woodycraft.net/category/102865 pay2win someone? … and really … *really* …
  2733.  
  2734. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/70774 [3/06/2014 3:21:51 PM] dillyg10: If only woody were
  2735.  
  2736. here xD [3/06/2014 3:22:08 PM] dillyg10: What the fuck [3/06/2014 3:22:24 PM] dillyg10: My
  2737.  
  2738. android just randomly updated [3/06/2014 3:22:26 PM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:50:44 AM
  2739.  
  2740. Erik Broes] http://store.woodycraft.net/category/69401 <-- makes me sad. …
  2741.  
  2742. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/102865 pay2win someone? … and really … *really* …
  2743.  
  2744. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/70774 Yet you gave him a panel at minecon (rofl)
  2745.  
  2746. [3/06/2014 3:22:29 PM] dillyg10: and now it looks nothing like it did 10 minutes ago [3/06/2014
  2747.  
  2748. 3:22:29 PM] dillyg10: fuck you LG [3/06/2014 3:22:47 PM] 9gigsofram: hmm [3/06/2014 3:22:50 PM]
  2749.  
  2750. Erik Broes: Drew: not sure how that is related? [3/06/2014 3:22:59 PM] 9gigsofram: most of
  2751.  
  2752. those perks are based on plugins [3/06/2014 3:23:24 PM] Drew: Anyways whats teh point of
  2753.  
  2754. bringing this up again [3/06/2014 3:23:30 PM] 9gigsofram: and yea we got over it [3/06/2014
  2755.  
  2756. 3:23:32 PM] Erik Broes: doesn't matter at all, based on plugins or not, you cannot make money
  2757.  
  2758. with Minecraft without our permission :) [3/06/2014 3:23:37 PM] Erik Broes: it truly is that
  2759.  
  2760. simple :) [3/06/2014 3:23:45 PM] Drew: Oh god here we go again [3/06/2014 3:24:03 PM] dillyg10:
  2761.  
  2762. 9gigs, let's save this discussion for the next moon ccle [3/06/2014 3:24:16 PM] dillyg10: Some
  2763.  
  2764. how I have managed to under sleep Erik [3/06/2014 3:24:18 PM] 9gigsofram: you cant get me in
  2765.  
  2766. united arab emirates :P [3/06/2014 3:24:20 PM] dillyg10: Which is scary [3/06/2014 3:24:21 PM]
  2767.  
  2768. publicpwner21: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 3:23 PM] Erik Broes: <<< doesn't matter at all, based on
  2769.  
  2770. plugins or not, you cannot make money with Minecraft without our permission it truly is that
  2771.  
  2772. simple :)Are you guys going to take down every server in existence then? Kill Minecraft's
  2773.  
  2774. multiplayer? [3/06/2014 3:24:31 PM] dillyg10: Omfg [3/06/2014 3:24:36 PM] publicpwner21:
  2775.  
  2776. Because there is literally not a single minecraft server that does not accept donations or
  2777.  
  2778. payments of any sort. [3/06/2014 3:24:56 PM] Erik Broes: donations are no problem, but only in
  2779.  
  2780. that purest sense, you get *NOTHING* back for a donation [3/06/2014 3:25:03 PM] dillyg10: HEY
  2781.  
  2782. ERIK! How bout that 1.8 update [3/06/2014 3:25:05 PM] Erik Broes: a warm and fuzzy feeling that
  2783.  
  2784. you helped :) [3/06/2014 3:25:05 PM] dillyg10: And all the cool stuff [3/06/2014 3:25:08 PM]
  2785.  
  2786. dillyg10: How's that going? [3/06/2014 3:25:17 PM] Erik Broes: dillgy10: you dont want 1.8 out
  2787.  
  2788. now hehe its really broken [3/06/2014 3:25:22 PM] Erik Broes: though ~40% less than yesterday
  2789.  
  2790. :P [3/06/2014 3:25:25 PM] publicpwner21: and how many ten year olds will actually give their
  2791.  
  2792. parent's money to someone without some sort of benefit to them? [3/06/2014 3:25:35 PM]
  2793.  
  2794. dillyg10: Lol I don't want 1.8 till after summer [3/06/2014 3:25:44 PM] dillyg10: Please let me
  2795.  
  2796. have a vacation xD. [3/06/2014 3:25:53 PM] Erik Broes: you'll get 1.7.10 first [3/06/2014
  2797.  
  2798. 3:26:03 PM] dillyg10: Is that seriously going to be a thing? [3/06/2014 3:26:07 PM] Erik Broes:
  2799.  
  2800. yes [3/06/2014 3:26:13 PM] dillyg10: That's hilarious [3/06/2014 3:26:17 PM] dillyg10: What's
  2801.  
  2802. going to be in .10 [3/06/2014 3:26:29 PM] Erik Broes: mostly stuff so we don't need a .11 for
  2803.  
  2804. realms >.> [3/06/2014 3:26:44 PM] dillyg10: Ah so mostly realms crap? [3/06/2014 3:26:53 PM]
  2805.  
  2806. Drew: Yay realms [3/06/2014 3:26:56 PM] Drew: The shit no one wants [3/06/2014 3:27:01 PM]
  2807.  
  2808. dillyg10: I like realms :( [3/06/2014 3:27:09 PM] Erik Broes: no-one seems to be more than
  2809.  
  2810. 25000 people though Drew [3/06/2014 3:27:29 PM] Drew: how many of those peopel actually play on
  2811.  
  2812. realms servers [3/06/2014 3:27:30 PM] dillyg10: Really, that many in the first month?
  2813.  
  2814. [3/06/2014 3:27:36 PM] Drew: because like me for example [3/06/2014 3:27:43 PM] Drew: Someone
  2815.  
  2816. added me but i've never played on it [3/06/2014 3:27:48 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: i think 2.1 on
  2817.  
  2818. average per server? [3/06/2014 3:28:07 PM] dillyg10: Wait, Erik are those people who have
  2819.  
  2820. played realms [3/06/2014 3:28:10 PM] Drew: I highly doubt that [3/06/2014 3:28:11 PM] dillyg10:
  2821.  
  2822. or bought a subscription? [3/06/2014 3:28:38 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: feel free to doubt --
  2823.  
  2824. dillyg10: both [3/06/2014 3:29:01 PM] dillyg10: *quick does math* [3/06/2014 3:29:07 PM] Haxtor
  2825.  
  2826. Moogle Kupo: has anyone ever been fired at mojang? [3/06/2014 3:29:12 PM] dillyg10: Good for
  2827.  
  2828. Mojang Erik :P [3/06/2014 3:29:12 PM] Erik Broes: no [3/06/2014 3:29:19 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  2829.  
  2830. whynot? [3/06/2014 3:29:25 PM] 9gigsofram: i'll be sad to see it go :( [3/06/2014 3:29:30 PM]
  2831.  
  2832. Erik Broes: well not true, one person was let go [3/06/2014 3:29:49 PM] Erik Broes: two if
  2833.  
  2834. you'd count support as well [3/06/2014 3:30:40 PM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: we'll see how 'good'
  2835.  
  2836. retention is after the first 6 months -- we seem to be reaching our target audience at least
  2837.  
  2838. which is great [3/06/2014 3:31:07 PM] dillyg10: I think if it starts to slow down, you guys
  2839.  
  2840. should seriously considering having one-night-stand servers [3/06/2014 3:31:26 PM] dillyg10:
  2841.  
  2842. There really have been times where i've wanted a realm for probably about a day just to fuck
  2843.  
  2844. around with friends [3/06/2014 3:31:45 PM] Erik Broes: doing micro-transactions around realms
  2845.  
  2846. is not really interesting [3/06/2014 3:31:55 PM] 9gigsofram: just create a saved image on
  2847.  
  2848. digital ocean [3/06/2014 3:31:57 PM] dillyg10: Eh, profit wise it probably won't do well
  2849.  
  2850. [3/06/2014 3:32:05 PM | Edited 3:32:08 PM] 9gigsofram: and restore the backup to make a droplet
  2851.  
  2852. when you want to play [3/06/2014 3:32:11 PM] dillyg10: But, I mean it'll make users happy
  2853.  
  2854. [3/06/2014 3:32:14 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 2:02 AM, 9gigsofram wrote: > and restore the
  2855.  
  2856. backup to make a droplet when you want to play But... lazy [3/06/2014 3:32:24 PM] Erik Broes:
  2857.  
  2858. dillyg10: every transaction comes with 'more work' [3/06/2014 3:32:30 PM] dillyg10: mmm
  2859.  
  2860. [3/06/2014 3:32:33 PM] dillyg10: understood :P [3/06/2014 3:32:37 PM] 9gigsofram: i thought the
  2861.  
  2862. money didnt matter though :P [3/06/2014 3:32:54 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't but keeping support
  2863.  
  2864. free from '$1'-chargeback whines is :P [3/06/2014 3:32:56 PM] dillyg10: obviously I'm not
  2865.  
  2866. sitting at the table of neck beards deciding at Mojang, just a thought from the perspective of
  2867.  
  2868. dilly [3/06/2014 3:33:06 PM] 9gigsofram: yea that'd suck [3/06/2014 3:33:55 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  2869.  
  2870. Kupo: so is 3d printing minecraft related stuff agenst the tos? [3/06/2014 3:34:01 PM] Erik
  2871.  
  2872. Broes: depends what you print [3/06/2014 3:34:15 PM] Erik Broes: and at what volume [3/06/2014
  2873.  
  2874. 3:34:26 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: volume? [3/06/2014 3:34:31 PM] Erik Broes: how many of em?
  2875.  
  2876. [3/06/2014 3:34:39 PM] dillyg10: Yes, Erik if I make a jumbo size mine craft cup cake
  2877.  
  2878. [3/06/2014 3:34:46 PM] dillyg10: will I be violating your EULA or TOS? [3/06/2014 3:34:57 PM]
  2879.  
  2880. 9gigsofram: i'd assume personal use no [3/06/2014 3:34:57 PM] Erik Broes: that is fine, if you
  2881.  
  2882. sell them on ebay it is not :P [3/06/2014 3:34:59 PM] 9gigsofram: selling yes [3/06/2014
  2883.  
  2884. 3:35:00 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: like a customized pickaxe with the players name on it
  2885.  
  2886. [3/06/2014 3:35:23 PM] Erik Broes: Haxtor: our pickaxe? then you know the answer -- not allowed
  2887.  
  2888. [3/06/2014 3:35:26 PM] 9gigsofram: how about if i made a cad file for 3d printers [3/06/2014
  2889.  
  2890. 3:35:31 PM] 9gigsofram: and published it [3/06/2014 3:35:40 PM] Erik Broes: someone can just
  2891.  
  2892. print it at home [3/06/2014 3:35:40 PM] 9gigsofram: so people could download and print thier
  2893.  
  2894. own :P [3/06/2014 3:35:43 PM] publicpwner21: what if I make a voxel shaped cupcake? [3/06/2014
  2895.  
  2896. 3:35:50 PM] publicpwner21: will that be against minecraft's tos? [3/06/2014 3:35:52 PM] Erik
  2897.  
  2898. Broes: not sell it :P [3/06/2014 3:35:57 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: don't sell it ;) [3/06/2014
  2899.  
  2900. 3:36:02 PM] publicpwner21: or whatever rules you guys make [3/06/2014 3:36:13 PM]
  2901.  
  2902. publicpwner21: so you guys copyrighted voxel shaped objects? [3/06/2014 3:36:14 PM] dillyg10:
  2903.  
  2904. Hmm [3/06/2014 3:36:20 PM] dillyg10: Okay, here's a scenario [3/06/2014 3:36:26 PM | Removed
  2905.  
  2906. 3:40:36 PM] dillyg10: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 3:36:29 PM] 9gigsofram:
  2907.  
  2908. technically mojang doesnt own the concept of a voxel [3/06/2014 3:36:29 PM | Removed 3:40:38
  2909.  
  2910. PM] dillyg10: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 3:36:33 PM] dillyg10: Am I violating
  2911.  
  2912. your TOS? [3/06/2014 3:36:38 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: no? [3/06/2014 3:36:52 PM] Erik Broes:
  2913.  
  2914. Mason: as long as its not intersecting with the Minecraft domain, do whatever, when it is --
  2915.  
  2916. follow our branding rules [3/06/2014 3:36:55 PM] 9gigsofram: don't trap people mason :P
  2917.  
  2918. [3/06/2014 3:38:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: what about arduino based bluetooth watches that let
  2919.  
  2920. players see what time it is on your server player health, friends online list, weather, eco
  2921.  
  2922. bal? [3/06/2014 3:39:20 PM] publicpwner21: but you told me that I can't sell my voxel shaped
  2923.  
  2924. cupcakes, even though it might not have anything to do with minecraft, there aren't even any
  2925.  
  2926. cupcakes in minecraft. [3/06/2014 3:39:25 PM] Erik Broes: Haxtor: perfectly fine as long as you
  2927.  
  2928. do not plaster minecraft over it :P [3/06/2014 3:39:31 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: sigh -- yes that
  2929.  
  2930. was mistaken -- i misread it [3/06/2014 3:39:41 PM] Erik Broes: it's really simple, if you have
  2931.  
  2932. to ask the answer is no [3/06/2014 3:39:55 PM] Erik Broes: if the answer should be yes and you
  2933.  
  2934. still ask -- you are stupid [3/06/2014 3:40:14 PM] publicpwner21: okay. are we allowed to
  2935.  
  2936. plaster craftmine over it? [3/06/2014 3:40:17 PM] publicpwner21: aw okay. :C [3/06/2014 3:40:25
  2937.  
  2938. PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: The game that shal not be named Player stat watch :) [3/06/2014 3:41:09
  2939.  
  2940. PM] dillyg10: I'm curios why you guys don't go after those ridiculous apps on the app store
  2941.  
  2942. [3/06/2014 3:41:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: yeah [3/06/2014 3:41:25 PM] dillyg10: That are like
  2943.  
  2944. "Here is mine craft with guns, we use the exact same textures and mechanics" [3/06/2014 3:41:38
  2945.  
  2946. PM] publicpwner21: lol ikr [3/06/2014 3:41:38 PM] dillyg10: I mean I've seen a lot of them that
  2947.  
  2948. blatantly take your artwork [3/06/2014 3:41:44 PM] publicpwner21: there's literally hundreds of
  2949.  
  2950. minecraft remakes [3/06/2014 3:41:51 PM] publicpwner21: and they actually get millions of
  2951.  
  2952. downloads [3/06/2014 3:42:42 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: what baout not selling the items but
  2953.  
  2954. "gifting them" as pbs puts it. for large donations [3/06/2014 3:43:08 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  2955.  
  2956. #spelluingsucksat2am [3/06/2014 3:49:27 PM] dillyg10: lol [3/06/2014 3:49:38 PM] dillyg10:
  2957.  
  2958. That's where we end the convo :) [3/06/2014 4:01:36 PM | Removed 4:03:05 PM] Harry: This
  2959.  
  2960. message has been removed. [3/06/2014 4:05:37 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: Haxtor Moogle Kupo gets
  2961.  
  2962. the reward for conversation killer [3/06/2014 4:08:46 PM] Tomographics: dam i missed the weekly
  2963.  
  2964. debate on Minecraft and donations. [3/06/2014 4:09:50 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: lets make it a
  2965.  
  2966. daily thing :D [3/06/2014 4:10:42 PM] Tomographics: No, lets just wait to see what Mojang does
  2967.  
  2968. first. [3/06/2014 4:11:21 PM] Harry: Whats the debate about? [3/06/2014 4:19:01 PM]
  2969.  
  2970. Tomographics: Server owners selling items ranks etc. [3/06/2014 4:26:54 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC
  2971.  
  2972. Founder]: Anyone here have the MinePlex code that was leaked? I'm interested in what's going
  2973.  
  2974. on. [3/06/2014 4:27:01 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: Or what's happened, rather. [3/06/2014
  2975.  
  2976. 4:27:09 PM] Erik Broes: mineplex code leaked? [3/06/2014 4:27:12 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]:
  2977.  
  2978. Yes. [3/06/2014 4:27:22 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: I have some. [3/06/2014 4:27:24 PM]
  2979.  
  2980. Tomographics: Hacked and ddosed i think. [3/06/2014 4:27:38 PM] Tomographics:
  2981.  
  2982. http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/mineplex-plugins-leaked.20111/ [3/06/2014 4:27:55 PM] Teo/Tice
  2983.  
  2984. [CoveMC Founder]: Yeah. [3/06/2014 4:28:03 PM] Sox: and ddosed? (facepalm) [3/06/2014 4:28:08
  2985.  
  2986. PM] Sox: im sure they get ddosed every day [3/06/2014 4:28:20 PM] Drew: like [3/06/2014 4:28:22
  2987.  
  2988. PM] Drew: ddosed offline [3/06/2014 4:28:32 PM] Drew: https://twitter.com/lelddos [3/06/2014
  2989.  
  2990. 4:28:35 PM] Tomographics: ^ [3/06/2014 4:32:21 PM] Sox: such haker [3/06/2014 4:32:27 PM] Sox:
  2991.  
  2992. much w :O w [3/06/2014 4:32:58 PM] Erik Broes: http://putin2stronk.com/ [3/06/2014 4:33:21 PM]
  2993.  
  2994. Erik Broes: enjoy ;) [3/06/2014 4:35:45 PM] Tomographics: Hey Erik two weeks until
  2995.  
  2996. Mineapalooza! I hope your attending the non booked venue... [3/06/2014 4:36:26 PM] Erik Broes:
  2997.  
  2998. why would I attend anything that is not Minecon? ;D [3/06/2014 4:36:45 PM] Tomographics: haha.
  2999.  
  3000. Because you could attend something of an even higher quality. [3/06/2014 4:37:06 PM]
  3001.  
  3002. Tomographics: Wordpress websites, non booked venues and more. [3/06/2014 4:37:14 PM] Haxtor
  3003.  
  3004. Moogle Kupo: anyone got a download link of the plugins? [3/06/2014 4:37:31 PM] Erik Broes: i
  3005.  
  3006. just gave that Haxtor [3/06/2014 4:38:14 PM] Tomographics: Hey Erik, can i get permission to
  3007.  
  3008. sell Minecraft related stuff for my server? [3/06/2014 4:38:33 PM] Erik Broes: Tomo:
  3009.  
  3010. brands@mojang.com -- and the answer is likely no :P [3/06/2014 4:38:49 PM] Tomographics: haha.
  3011.  
  3012. They never respond to emails. :( [3/06/2014 4:41:43 PM] Erik Broes: quite some data from
  3013.  
  3014. mineplex [3/06/2014 4:42:12 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: erik you should sue them [3/06/2014 4:42:25
  3015.  
  3016. PM] Erik Broes: for what? [3/06/2014 4:42:43 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: violating tos :)
  3017.  
  3018. [3/06/2014 4:43:23 PM | Edited 4:43:45 PM] Mario: . [3/06/2014 4:43:27 PM] Erik Broes: aren't
  3019.  
  3020. they down? ;D [3/06/2014 4:45:20 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: hmm could that leaked data be used in
  3021.  
  3022. court? [3/06/2014 4:46:15 PM] Sox: i'll use u in court (worry) [3/06/2014 4:46:38 PM] Haxtor
  3023.  
  3024. Moogle Kupo: mojang v minepex [3/06/2014 4:46:44 PM] Mario: what part of the tos are they
  3025.  
  3026. violating [3/06/2014 4:46:48 PM] Sox: minepex :O! [3/06/2014 4:46:51 PM] Erik Broes: making
  3027.  
  3028. money of minecraft :P [3/06/2014 4:47:18 PM] Mario: well hell [3/06/2014 4:47:21 PM] Mario: sue
  3029.  
  3030. every server owner [3/06/2014 4:47:22 PM] Mario: ever [3/06/2014 4:47:33 PM] Sox: there are
  3031.  
  3032. lots of people violating your tos [3/06/2014 4:47:36 PM] Sox: how does that make you feel
  3033.  
  3034. [3/06/2014 4:47:44 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: naw just the big ones [3/06/2014 4:48:07 PM] Mario:
  3035.  
  3036. any server with a buycraft store ? [3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: naw just the ones
  3037.  
  3038. making a unholly profit off mojang [3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Mario: and no, i dont think you could
  3039.  
  3040. use any of that data in court [3/06/2014 4:49:50 PM] Mario: its all illegally obtained
  3041.  
  3042. [3/06/2014 4:50:09 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: not if it was by one of thier employees [3/06/2014
  3043.  
  3044. 4:50:31 PM] 9gigsofram: he feels mad enough to leak thier database dumps [3/06/2014 4:50:34 PM]
  3045.  
  3046. 9gigsofram: lol [3/06/2014 4:50:35 PM] Tomographics: Means they could probs take the youtubers
  3047.  
  3048. to court. [3/06/2014 4:51:04 PM | Edited 4:51:08 PM] Harry: Mineplex wants to take people to
  3049.  
  3050. court over their plugins? [3/06/2014 4:51:53 PM] Sox: i wouldnt doubt it, look how much they
  3051.  
  3052. make from their server [3/06/2014 4:52:03 PM] Mario: millions [3/06/2014 4:52:10 PM] Sox: its
  3053.  
  3054. not a hobby, its a fulltime job, they are making more than most people [3/06/2014 4:52:47 PM]
  3055.  
  3056. 9gigsofram: er i dont think they'd bother [3/06/2014 4:52:53 PM] 9gigsofram: would create to
  3057.  
  3058. much drama [3/06/2014 4:52:58 PM] Mario: ^ that [3/06/2014 4:53:03 PM] 9gigsofram: and they are
  3059.  
  3060. more interested in just geting everything fixed [3/06/2014 4:53:22 PM] 9gigsofram: other people
  3061.  
  3062. having thier plugins wont impact thier server that much [3/06/2014 4:53:32 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  3063.  
  3064. Kupo: mojang sueing mineplex would generate so much publicity [3/06/2014 4:53:42 PM] Sox: they
  3065.  
  3066. probably wont, but its not one of those little "you charged back im taking this to court"
  3067.  
  3068. moments where they obviously wont waste their time on it, its a lot bigger [3/06/2014 4:54:12
  3069.  
  3070. PM] 9gigsofram: well now mineplex has somthing to use against mojang [3/06/2014 4:54:15 PM |
  3071.  
  3072. Edited 4:54:33 PM] Harry: Wait, mojang wants to sue mineplex? [3/06/2014 4:54:20 PM]
  3073.  
  3074. 9gigsofram: even if it's small [3/06/2014 4:54:54 PM] 9gigsofram: erik leaked thier data :P
  3075.  
  3076. [3/06/2014 4:55:21 PM] Sox: wut [3/06/2014 4:55:38 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: better would be if
  3077.  
  3078. mojang blocked mineplexes auth to thier servers :D [3/06/2014 4:55:45 PM] Sox: :O [3/06/2014
  3079.  
  3080. 4:55:55 PM] 9gigsofram: then mineplex would become the largest cracked server :P [3/06/2014
  3081.  
  3082. 4:56:16 PM] Harry: Can anyone help me with some html? [3/06/2014 4:56:18 PM] 9gigsofram: or you
  3083.  
  3084. block auth for the wrong server [3/06/2014 4:56:21 PM] Mason // PixelPrison: no [3/06/2014
  3085.  
  3086. 4:56:23 PM] Harry: It is causing me too much pain [3/06/2014 4:56:24 PM] 9gigsofram: "if i
  3087.  
  3088. cannot have auth nobody can" [3/06/2014 4:56:25 PM] Tomographics: I thought there was already a
  3089.  
  3090. considerable amount of cracked servers [3/06/2014 4:56:27 PM] Mario: yeah whats up harry
  3091.  
  3092. [3/06/2014 4:56:40 PM] 9gigsofram: then boom 200gbit attack [3/06/2014 4:56:54 PM] Harry:
  3093.  
  3094. Mario, just sent you a request to keep it out of this chat [3/06/2014 4:59:04 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  3095.  
  3096. Kupo: how big is the mineplex_node.tar.gz? [3/06/2014 4:59:22 PM] 9gigsofram: maybe a few gb
  3097.  
  3098. [3/06/2014 4:59:25 PM] 9gigsofram: check the file size [3/06/2014 4:59:29 PM] Sox:
  3099.  
  3100. http://puu.sh/9cXwa/ddc5b69a50.png lel [3/06/2014 4:59:42 PM] Sox: still goin stronk [3/06/2014
  3101.  
  3102. 4:59:50 PM] Sox: 8.9GB now [3/06/2014 5:00:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 2558584914 bytes..
  3103.  
  3104. [3/06/2014 5:01:24 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: i wonder if they overflowed the index page lol
  3105.  
  3106. [3/06/2014 5:02:29 PM] Sox: 10GB man dis is big [3/06/2014 5:09:49 PM] Mario: Sox [3/06/2014
  3107.  
  3108. 5:09:56 PM] Mario: wget [3/06/2014 5:11:46 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  3109.  
  3110. http://i.gyazo.com/bb246463776ca34d0e751c804b733086.png [3/06/2014 5:11:53 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  3111.  
  3112. Kupo: holly crap [3/06/2014 5:12:31 PM] 9gigsofram: #cloudflare [3/06/2014 5:13:20 PM] Sox: wat
  3113.  
  3114. [3/06/2014 5:13:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: ? [3/06/2014 5:13:46 PM] 9gigsofram: cloudflare is
  3115.  
  3116. probably caching the download [3/06/2014 5:14:09 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: want to send me a copy
  3117.  
  3118. 9gigs? [3/06/2014 5:14:18 PM] 9gigsofram: of cloudflare? [3/06/2014 5:14:33 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  3119.  
  3120. Kupo: no the plugins dump (cat) [3/06/2014 5:14:37 PM] 9gigsofram: i dont have it [3/06/2014
  3121.  
  3122. 5:14:56 PM] Sox: 6.2 MB/s - 15.4 GB [3/06/2014 5:15:51 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: it is about 19
  3123.  
  3124. gigs [3/06/2014 5:16:11 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 19.1 [3/06/2014 5:16:42 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  3125.  
  3126. @100mb/s [3/06/2014 5:16:45 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: :D [3/06/2014 5:17:08 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  3127.  
  3128. Kupo: O.o is this worlds too [3/06/2014 5:20:24 PM | Edited 5:21:01 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  3129.  
  3130. (swear) [3/06/2014 5:21:04 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik, when you're around I want to thank you
  3131.  
  3132. for the WoW culture which will be emerging [3/06/2014 5:21:45 PM] 9gigsofram: personally this
  3133.  
  3134. wont change anything for me, i'll just be taking the cloudflare attitude [3/06/2014 5:22:13 PM
  3135.  
  3136. | Edited 5:22:28 PM] 9gigsofram: "i do not host the content so i am not responsible , report
  3137.  
  3138. has been forwarded to the destination host" [3/06/2014 5:23:05 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: someone
  3139.  
  3140. should make a torrent [3/06/2014 5:23:26 PM] Sox: 17.8GB it finished :D [3/06/2014 5:23:35 PM]
  3141.  
  3142. Max | Sraph LTD: I kinda want bullet proof ddos prot [3/06/2014 5:23:55 PM] 9gigsofram: well
  3143.  
  3144. cloudflare already does that [3/06/2014 5:24:07 PM] 9gigsofram: it's fairly easy to do with
  3145.  
  3146. antiddos since you dont host the content [3/06/2014 5:24:10 PM] 9gigsofram: you are only a pass
  3147.  
  3148. through [3/06/2014 5:24:39 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: what happens if the message gets lost?
  3149.  
  3150. [3/06/2014 5:24:43 PM] 9gigsofram: you'd still need a destination host that tolerates it, good
  3151.  
  3152. payment processing, and a company owner in uae [3/06/2014 5:24:55 PM] 9gigsofram: inorder to
  3153.  
  3154. cover my butt i'd actually need to forward the message :P [3/06/2014 5:25:06 PM] Max | Sraph
  3155.  
  3156. LTD: hahah [3/06/2014 5:25:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I can help with UAE [3/06/2014 5:35:17 PM]
  3157.  
  3158. Haxtor Moogle Kupo: sox mine finised at 19.1 gigs :/ [3/06/2014 5:35:39 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  3159.  
  3160. 19141734400 bytes [3/06/2014 5:36:33 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: omg is it really 25585849141734400
  3161.  
  3162. bytes O.o [3/06/2014 5:37:28 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: sox your download valid? [3/06/2014
  3163.  
  3164. 5:39:59 PM | Edited 5:40:34 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Oh Erik, just a quick question hows the PR
  3165.  
  3166. team? I can just see: "Child sued for playing a computer game with friends" [3/06/2014 5:41:52
  3167.  
  3168. PM] Sox: ya [3/06/2014 5:41:58 PM] Sox: its all here [3/06/2014 5:42:18 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  3169.  
  3170. whats yours size in bytes? [3/06/2014 5:46:30 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: is it Bytes bits
  3171.  
  3172. niggabytes bites ? [3/06/2014 5:47:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: niggabyte is how much you can fit
  3173.  
  3174. on a dvd [3/06/2014 5:48:27 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: fuck me its 4am [3/06/2014 6:21:20 PM |
  3175.  
  3176. Edited 6:21:23 PM] ilucamc: Why is there a video called How to play MINEPLEX? [3/06/2014
  3177.  
  3178. 6:50:24 PM] Tomographics: Its a joke. Its pretty funny. [3/06/2014 9:04:23 PM | Removed 9:47:38
  3179.  
  3180. PM] dithrlos: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 9:21:00 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik didn't
  3181.  
  3182. like selling unbans (among other things) but I'm not sure he's thought it through. From my
  3183.  
  3184. perspective they aren't a profit center. They are easily under 1% of sales. But the challenge
  3185.  
  3186. is what do you do with a cheater that's spent a lot of money at your server? Do you really ban
  3187.  
  3188. them the first time they use a mini-map client without a way for them to get back? The charge
  3189.  
  3190. is designed to be a slap on the wrist that makes them want to not want to do it again.
  3191.  
  3192. [3/06/2014 9:24:56 PM] 9gigsofram: often they'll just buy a new minecraft account also
  3193.  
  3194. [3/06/2014 9:26:28 PM] WoodysGamertag: When we give out the "permaban" we also ban all the
  3195.  
  3196. accounts that shared IPs. It's actually pretty rare that somebody gets all three strikes. They
  3197.  
  3198. either stop cheating or they tone it down enough not to get caught. [3/06/2014 9:31:24 PM] Erik
  3199.  
  3200. Broes: We had a nice discussion at the office. Most likely we'll have a handful of points in
  3201.  
  3202. our new EULA and that should be enough to tame the bad stuff. [3/06/2014 9:32:23 PM] Max |
  3203.  
  3204. Sraph LTD: this will be interesting see happen [3/06/2014 9:32:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik has
  3205.  
  3206. mojang employed a PR department for this? so you still look like a loverly 7 year olds game
  3207.  
  3208. development company who is all nice? [3/06/2014 9:34:33 PM] WoodysGamertag: I'm not sure what
  3209.  
  3210. the "bad stuff" is. I assume selling in game items? [3/06/2014 9:35:27 PM] WoodysGamertag:
  3211.  
  3212. Unbans are more an act of kindness. The alternative is issuing the death penalty at the first
  3213.  
  3214. offense. [3/06/2014 9:36:26 PM] dithrlos: ^actually a fair way to look at things [3/06/2014
  3215.  
  3216. 9:36:37 PM] dithrlos: that's why using temp bans are also effective. [3/06/2014 9:38:37 PM]
  3217.  
  3218. WoodysGamertag: Yeah, there are some guys that I'd love to ban on the first offense but don't
  3219.  
  3220. because we try to make our "justice system" equal and fair to everybody. The only exception is
  3221.  
  3222. certain player to player interactions like IRL money scamming, racism, etc. [3/06/2014 9:46:34
  3223.  
  3224. PM] WoodysGamertag: Also, I saw Reno was angry because I pay my staff. That's actually
  3225.  
  3226. something I'm proud of. My father owned a small business and I worked there when I was young.
  3227.  
  3228. (the 90's). After I left I realized how generous his retirement plan was. When I asked him
  3229.  
  3230. about it he said, "Well, the firm does pretty well and I think it's important to share it with
  3231.  
  3232. the people that helped get it there." I could pocket a lot more than I do. I have fans that
  3233.  
  3234. would write code and build for free. I send money to guys that didn't ask for it and most of my
  3235.  
  3236. staff started off doing it for free. They just became too helpful for me to keep accepting
  3237.  
  3238. their work and not paying for it. They earned appreciation and money is how companies say,
  3239.  
  3240. "Thank you." Paying people isn't bad, it's the way a good business gives back. [3/06/2014
  3241.  
  3242. 9:48:52 PM] dithrlos: ^^^^ [3/06/2014 9:49:01 PM] dithrlos: the amount of correctness in that
  3243.  
  3244. statement. [3/06/2014 9:52:51 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, enough from me for now. Time to drive the
  3245.  
  3246. kids to school. [3/06/2014 9:53:54 PM] dithrlos: have fun! tell collin he's awesome and tell
  3247.  
  3248. hope to kick ass today XD [3/06/2014 10:02:31 PM] dillyg10: See Erik… and Woody does make a
  3249.  
  3250. great point. Minecraft provides a lively hood for some people. It's inspired thousands of young
  3251.  
  3252. developers, architects, business managers, and sysadmins alike. I honestly would have learned
  3253.  
  3254. NOTHING about the world I know today without Minecraft teaching me that. I'm 16 years old, and
  3255.  
  3256. I know more about programming than most 30 year old IT guys, and that's a blessing. The profit
  3257.  
  3258. is the icing on the cake, but it's the motive that drives us to say "hey, maybe instead of
  3259.  
  3260. fucking around on Diablo, let's work on something great." [3/06/2014 10:04:00 PM] Erik Broes:
  3261.  
  3262. It actually matters nothing if you build a business around this [3/06/2014 10:04:22 PM] Erik
  3263.  
  3264. Broes: You can build a business around anything that isn't allowed -- you are not allowed to
  3265.  
  3266. complain about it when someone stops you from doing so. [3/06/2014 10:04:38 PM] Jake /
  3267.  
  3268. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 10:04:53 PM] Erik Broes: You should also not run a
  3269.  
  3270. server for 'profits' -- it should be to offer a nice experience for the users on it [3/06/2014
  3271.  
  3272. 10:04:54 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: I'm not going to sit here and tell you you're
  3273.  
  3274. retarded or anything [3/06/2014 10:05:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: but please just
  3275.  
  3276. sit here and listen to this [3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just for a
  3277.  
  3278. moment. [3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Erik Broes: Except that you just did by still talking now
  3279.  
  3280. [3/06/2014 10:05:20 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't put words in my mouth.
  3281.  
  3282. [3/06/2014 10:05:36 PM] Erik Broes: Erm, you said it; its like saying: "I don't mean to offend
  3283.  
  3284. you but …." [3/06/2014 10:05:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: minecraft relies on it's
  3285.  
  3286. servers, and on youtubers. [3/06/2014 10:05:50 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't [3/06/2014 10:05:55
  3287.  
  3288. PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yes it does. [3/06/2014 10:05:58 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik
  3289.  
  3290. [3/06/2014 10:06:00 PM] Erik Broes: Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a day [3/06/2014 10:06:04
  3291.  
  3292. PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: k [3/06/2014 10:06:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  3293.  
  3294. you don't understand [3/06/2014 10:06:17 PM | Edited 10:06:25 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you know
  3295.  
  3296. full well, that sprarkelz and yogscast kicked off minecraft properly [3/06/2014 10:06:26 PM]
  3297.  
  3298. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it wouldn't HAVE that support without servers and youtube
  3299.  
  3300. [3/06/2014 10:06:27 PM] Erik Broes: no you don't understand that you cannot just 'say things'
  3301.  
  3302. and magically 'turn them into truths' without actually having facts to back it up [3/06/2014
  3303.  
  3304. 10:06:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: there are facts to back it up. [3/06/2014
  3305.  
  3306. 10:06:52 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I don't care enough to prove you wrong on that [3/06/2014
  3307.  
  3308. 10:06:53 PM] Erik Broes: Oh, you have numbers that we cannot obtain? let us know please.
  3309.  
  3310. [3/06/2014 10:06:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i've been in this business just as
  3311.  
  3312. long as you erik [3/06/2014 10:07:07 PM] Erik Broes: And that is where you go wrong [3/06/2014
  3313.  
  3314. 10:07:10 PM] Erik Broes: its not a business [3/06/2014 10:07:16 PM] Erik Broes: running servers
  3315.  
  3316. is *NOT* A BUSINESS* [3/06/2014 10:07:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: (facepalm)
  3317.  
  3318. [3/06/2014 10:07:29 PM] dillyg10: Erik, look my point is this. Minecraft server profitability
  3319.  
  3320. does more good than harm. [3/06/2014 10:07:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: that's not
  3321.  
  3322. what i was saying [3/06/2014 10:07:38 PM] Erik Broes: you *cannot* create your business around
  3323.  
  3324. something you are not allowed to make profit on -- well you can, but you'd be rather daft
  3325.  
  3326. [3/06/2014 10:07:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik [3/06/2014 10:07:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: out of
  3327.  
  3328. interest [3/06/2014 10:07:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: this is like arguing against
  3329.  
  3330. a brick wall. [3/06/2014 10:08:02 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is mojang prepared to attack EVERY
  3331.  
  3332. server which has a donation system? [3/06/2014 10:08:06 PM] Erik Broes: No [3/06/2014 10:08:12
  3333.  
  3334. PM] Erik Broes: Donations are allowed by our EULA [3/06/2014 10:08:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3335.  
  3336. /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 10:08:27 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: as you can't pick and chose who
  3337.  
  3338. to take down [3/06/2014 10:08:32 PM] Erik Broes: but we'll most likely hack down on the fact
  3339.  
  3340. that most people give 'perks' for donations -- which under almost all laws makes it a purchase
  3341.  
  3342. [3/06/2014 10:09:00 PM] dillyg10: Erik, people don't see the point of donating for a cause that
  3343.  
  3344. isn't a charity [3/06/2014 10:09:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you do realize that if
  3345.  
  3346. mojang starts hitting down these servers people won't stand for it. minecraft won't last for
  3347.  
  3348. more then 5 more months [3/06/2014 10:09:08 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik you know how many issues
  3349.  
  3350. blizzard had with this? [3/06/2014 10:09:11 PM] dillyg10: You're going to loose large
  3351.  
  3352. constructed servers like Hypixel [3/06/2014 10:09:15 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: when the did it with
  3353.  
  3354. WoW [3/06/2014 10:09:20 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: lol stop making these retarded wild accusations
  3355.  
  3356. [3/06/2014 10:09:34 PM] dillyg10: That retain such high player counts because they create
  3357.  
  3358. something that's full, beautiful and amazing and helps retain players into the game. [3/06/2014
  3359.  
  3360. 10:09:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 10:09:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  3361.  
  3362. Jake this is kinda wild :P [3/06/2014 10:09:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i'd like to
  3363.  
  3364. speak to your supervisor [3/06/2014 10:09:50 PM] Erik Broes: I don't see how having 10k people
  3365.  
  3366. is 'worth' anything [3/06/2014 10:09:59 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: trust me you dont hahaha
  3367.  
  3368. [3/06/2014 10:10:01 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Status? Ego? [3/06/2014 10:10:16 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  3369.  
  3370. Erik is Partick your supervisor on these matters? [3/06/2014 10:10:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3371.  
  3372. /ZionicGaming™: for misrepresenting mojang and verbally attacking an individual. [3/06/2014
  3373.  
  3374. 10:10:24 PM] Erik Broes: Max: no [3/06/2014 10:10:27 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  3375.  
  3376. http://gyazo.com/2a0055324fd1d8a39251b18de0d3a80d [3/06/2014 10:10:29 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  3377.  
  3378. actually does he still work at mojang as the business manager [3/06/2014 10:10:33 PM | Edited
  3379.  
  3380. 10:10:50 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is it work me skpying him? [3/06/2014 10:10:41 PM] Erik Broes:
  3381.  
  3382. I'm not verbally attacking anything :) [3/06/2014 10:10:54 PM] Erik Broes: also, i said your
  3383.  
  3384. accusations are retarded; not that *YOU* are retarded [3/06/2014 10:10:59 PM] Erik Broes: biiig
  3385.  
  3386. difference [3/06/2014 10:11:03 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: not very [3/06/2014
  3387.  
  3388. 10:11:07 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: be careful fine lines there :P [3/06/2014 10:11:19 PM] Erik
  3389.  
  3390. Broes: oh yes, i make sure not to cross those lines ;) [3/06/2014 10:11:21 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3391.  
  3392. /ZionicGaming™: if I represent those statements completely [3/06/2014 10:11:26 PM] Max | Sraph
  3393.  
  3394. LTD: Erik, is Patrick a good person to talk to about this? [3/06/2014 10:11:34 PM] Erik Broes:
  3395.  
  3396. Max: if you want to have a worse experience than me? nope :P [3/06/2014 10:11:39 PM] Jake /
  3397.  
  3398. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: whatever not worth continuing that [3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM] Jake /
  3399.  
  3400. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and erik [3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM | Edited 10:11:55 PM] Max | Sraph
  3401.  
  3402. LTD: will he have a thicker brick wall? [3/06/2014 10:11:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3403.  
  3404. /ZionicGaming™: can we get a better experience? [3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Erik Broes: Just for
  3405.  
  3406. funsies, both Nathan and I have a less extreme vision for the future than the rest of us here
  3407.  
  3408. if i were to go by the meeting we had this morning [3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Craig Egerton:
  3409.  
  3410. [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:05 PM] Erik Broes: <<< Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a daythink
  3411.  
  3412. about how many of those accounts log in to multiplayer, even on XBLA [3/06/2014 10:12:18 PM]
  3413.  
  3414. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or a direction to a new game that will support us? [3/06/2014
  3415.  
  3416. 10:12:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can I come visit? and listen in?:P [3/06/2014 10:12:30 PM]
  3417.  
  3418. Erik Broes: Max: you'll get the news 'asap' [3/06/2014 10:12:39 PM] Erik Broes: but hey, that's
  3419.  
  3420. what they said to me 7mths ago [3/06/2014 10:12:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  3421.  
  3422. [3/06/2014 10:12:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: tell us this [3/06/2014 10:12:51 PM]
  3423.  
  3424. Max | Sraph LTD: i've always known it was going to happen [3/06/2014 10:13:02 PM] Max | Sraph
  3425.  
  3426. LTD: well it's always been obvious [3/06/2014 10:13:12 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: are
  3427.  
  3428. we in a spot where we're going to have to pull our investments and leave? [3/06/2014 10:13:13
  3429.  
  3430. PM] Erik Broes: Keep in mind, nothing is changing -- we're just making it more clear what you
  3431.  
  3432. *can* and cannot do [3/06/2014 10:13:25 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: if you have done your investments
  3433.  
  3434. in a wrong thing, probably [3/06/2014 10:13:31 PM] Erik Broes: you can still make money, just
  3435.  
  3436. not the way you are doing it now [3/06/2014 10:13:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you CANNOT sell in
  3437.  
  3438. game perks basiclly [3/06/2014 10:13:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so selling builds
  3439.  
  3440. is illegal? [3/06/2014 10:13:47 PM] Erik Broes: we'll actually explicitly *LET* you make money
  3441.  
  3442. in what we discussed this morning [3/06/2014 10:13:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just
  3443.  
  3444. wondering [3/06/2014 10:14:14 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: am I getting the right idea there?
  3445.  
  3446. [3/06/2014 10:14:15 PM] Erik Broes: so in fact the new 'thing' is better than the old -- which
  3447.  
  3448. explicitly says you *CANNOT* make money [3/06/2014 10:14:34 PM] Erik Broes: Max: replace perks
  3449.  
  3450. with 'anything' [3/06/2014 10:14:40 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ok [3/06/2014 10:14:45 PM] Max | Sraph
  3451.  
  3452. LTD: that's fine by me [3/06/2014 10:14:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so basically
  3453.  
  3454. mc's done [3/06/2014 10:14:56 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: good to know [3/06/2014
  3455.  
  3456. 10:15:01 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: why? nothing changes? [3/06/2014 10:15:03 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  3457.  
  3458. I'll be changing my business model [3/06/2014 10:15:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: "buisness model"
  3459.  
  3460. [3/06/2014 10:15:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way of funding my server [3/06/2014 10:15:53 PM] Max |
  3461.  
  3462. Sraph LTD: anyway Erik, that has cleared up some issues [3/06/2014 10:15:59 PM] dillyg10: O_o
  3463.  
  3464. [3/06/2014 10:16:01 PM] Erik Broes: We'll give you a way to fund your server besides donations
  3465.  
  3466. -- or at least that is our idea sofar [3/06/2014 10:16:05 PM | Edited 10:16:12 PM] dillyg10:
  3467.  
  3468. What other way do you think of doing it? [3/06/2014 10:16:06 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ad system?
  3469.  
  3470. [3/06/2014 10:16:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way to stop people for making thousands and only a
  3471.  
  3472. little just enough to pay for servers [3/06/2014 10:16:55 PM] Erik Broes: meh I cannot go into
  3473.  
  3474. it more right now [3/06/2014 10:17:05 PM] Erik Broes: because nothing is actually decided upon
  3475.  
  3476. [3/06/2014 10:17:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha a :P referal links for realms [3/06/2014 10:17:11
  3477.  
  3478. PM] Erik Broes: and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context [3/06/2014 10:17:11 PM]
  3479.  
  3480. dillyg10: Understood :P [3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] dillyg10: Just keep us in the look when you can
  3481.  
  3482. Erik [3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 8:47 AM, Erik Broes
  3483.  
  3484. wrote: > and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context (heart) [3/06/2014 10:17:51 PM]
  3485.  
  3486. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't feed the trolls erik, don't feed the trolls. [3/06/2014
  3487.  
  3488. 10:17:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: rule number 1. [3/06/2014 10:17:56 PM] Max |
  3489.  
  3490. Sraph LTD: As long as it's opt in / out I Don't care [3/06/2014 10:18:13 PM] dillyg10: And also
  3491.  
  3492. keep in mind how many people here really love the game, and really love what we have the
  3493.  
  3494. oppruntunity to do with the game :). [3/06/2014 10:18:20 PM] Erik Broes: we're not going to be
  3495.  
  3496. trackign anything of this [3/06/2014 10:18:25 PM] Erik Broes: we are not interested in that
  3497.  
  3498. [3/06/2014 10:18:56 PM] Erik Broes: if you are on a server, your experience should be the same
  3499.  
  3500. as every other player [3/06/2014 10:18:57 PM] Erik Broes: we just do not want people to mix the
  3501.  
  3502. pools of 'paying people' and 'nonpaying people' [3/06/2014 10:19:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3503.  
  3504. /ZionicGaming™: it's not pay to win [3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Erik Broes: yes, but also no
  3505.  
  3506. 'showoff perks i bought' [3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: thats how
  3507.  
  3508. it's set [3/06/2014 10:19:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's pay to add accessory
  3509.  
  3510. [3/06/2014 10:19:29 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or to speed up [3/06/2014 10:19:33 PM]
  3511.  
  3512. Erik Broes: yes, not allowed [3/06/2014 10:19:48 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can you confirm or
  3513.  
  3514. deny my pm plz (heart) [3/06/2014 10:20:28 PM] Erik Broes: You would be able to charge for
  3515.  
  3516. access to your server [3/06/2014 10:20:34 PM] Erik Broes: and take donations [3/06/2014
  3517.  
  3518. 10:20:40 PM] Erik Broes: and that's it. [3/06/2014 10:21:24 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Pay2Play has
  3519.  
  3520. never worked ;) [3/06/2014 10:24:22 PM] Erik Broes: Then make donations work :) [3/06/2014
  3521.  
  3522. 10:24:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha :P [3/06/2014 10:32:19 PM] TATIMBLIN: Perhaps if more
  3523.  
  3524. servers did pay2play it would be more customary and easier accepted by players. I can see it
  3525.  
  3526. hard to do know since you'd be the only one most people would just find another server.
  3527.  
  3528. [3/06/2014 10:33:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: actually erik [3/06/2014 10:33:45 PM]
  3529.  
  3530. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it would be great if you would just use mine realms to us
  3531.  
  3532. [3/06/2014 10:33:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: make it so we can buy licenses to run
  3533.  
  3534. a server. [3/06/2014 10:34:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: then we can host how we wish
  3535.  
  3536. [3/06/2014 10:34:22 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and boom [3/06/2014 10:34:24 PM] Jake
  3537.  
  3538. / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you make money [3/06/2014 10:34:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3539.  
  3540. /ZionicGaming™: we make money [3/06/2014 10:34:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: all good
  3541.  
  3542. [3/06/2014 10:34:35 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it'll cut out the bad servers
  3543.  
  3544. [3/06/2014 10:34:41 PM] dillyg10: Hey, dithrolos [3/06/2014 10:34:45 PM] dillyg10: Discussion
  3545.  
  3546. isover [3/06/2014 10:34:51 PM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds [3/06/2014
  3547.  
  3548. 10:34:53 PM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens [3/06/2014 10:34:54 PM] dillyg10: move on
  3549.  
  3550. [3/06/2014 10:37:18 PM] || Moses ||: Wait Erik, so donations wont be allowed anymore?
  3551.  
  3552. [3/06/2014 10:37:37 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 9:06 AM, shadow_moses54 wrote: > Wait Erik, so
  3553.  
  3554. donations wont be allowed anymore? (facepalm) Read. [3/06/2014 10:37:42 PM] dillyg10: On
  3555.  
  3556. 6/3/14, at 8:53 AM, Erik Broes wrote: > Then make donations work :) [3/06/2014 10:37:50 PM] ||
  3557.  
  3558. Moses ||: Its over 500 msgs.. .-. [3/06/2014 10:38:05 PM] dillyg10: Then spend over 2 second
  3559.  
  3560. reading through them [3/06/2014 10:38:23 PM] TATIMBLIN: ^^jake brings up the biggest issue I
  3561.  
  3562. see with servers. When someone quickly makes a server and has enough money to pay the first
  3563.  
  3564. month thinking donations will cover the rest. Then a few donations come in for "lifetime"
  3565.  
  3566. ranks. But not enough and they close the server and keep the money. [3/06/2014 10:39:04 PM]
  3567.  
  3568. dillyg10: [6/3/14 9:03:44 AM] dillyg10: Hey, TATIMBLIN [6/3/14 9:03:48 AM] dillyg10: Discussion
  3569.  
  3570. isover [6/3/14 9:03:54 AM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds [6/3/14 9:03:56
  3571.  
  3572. AM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens [6/3/14 9:03:57 AM] dillyg10: move on [3/06/2014 10:39:40
  3573.  
  3574. PM] TATIMBLIN: Ooook [3/06/2014 10:56:53 PM | Removed 11:22:11 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3575.  
  3576. /ZionicGaming™: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 10:57:10 PM | Removed 11:22:15 PM]
  3577.  
  3578. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 10:57:13 PM |
  3579.  
  3580. Removed 11:22:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014
  3581.  
  3582. 11:02:47 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik: You're suggesting a model where the players have no
  3583.  
  3584. incentive to donate. That would be the death of servers. I don't understand how you can't see
  3585.  
  3586. that these servers help mojang. [3/06/2014 11:03:06 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, it's not the way
  3587.  
  3588. you like to play but why would you take away what other people want? [3/06/2014 11:04:17 PM]
  3589.  
  3590. WoodysGamertag: The world is filled with factions players that love what we do. It's filled
  3591.  
  3592. with mini-game players that love what Hypixel does. All of them buy minecraft because of it.
  3593.  
  3594. [3/06/2014 11:04:54 PM] WoodysGamertag: But now I hear, "Sorry, I don't like the player
  3595.  
  3596. experience on your server. I'm going to end it." Why? I have sastified customers. [3/06/2014
  3597.  
  3598. 11:05:56 PM] WoodysGamertag: I have guys that play every waking moment and have enough faith in
  3599.  
  3600. my team that the moment we tease something new they are chomping at the bit to get more details
  3601.  
  3602. about it. It's a thriving server with a faithful community. There are no victims here.
  3603.  
  3604. [3/06/2014 11:07:13 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: again with the good point woody, i
  3605.  
  3606. mean it's a situation where if it's not broken, why fix it. [3/06/2014 11:35:55 PM] Erik Broes:
  3607.  
  3608. WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donate? [3/06/2014
  3609.  
  3610. 11:36:28 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: it is broken, so we're going to be fixing it [3/06/2014 11:36:50
  3611.  
  3612. PM] Erik Broes: And you sortof have to thank yourselves for not following the rules in the
  3613.  
  3614. first place and having it become more and more broken [3/06/2014 11:37:43 PM] Iphonetips1
  3615.  
  3616. "SaiCoGaming": Can i ask, what if you view on the server situation, and why (if its been in
  3617.  
  3618. your terms) do you take action now? [3/06/2014 11:39:22 PM] Erik Broes: My personal view? its
  3619.  
  3620. hard to create a proper line between acceptable and non-acceptable microtransactions [3/06/2014
  3621.  
  3622. 11:39:53 PM] Erik Broes: anything that changes gamebalance in any way or temps by either
  3623.  
  3624. peerpresure or simple greed to extract money from people is a huge no-no for me [3/06/2014
  3625.  
  3626. 11:39:58 PM] Drew: I can't wait to see minecraft die because Erik's retarded expectations
  3627.  
  3628. [3/06/2014 11:40:09 PM] Erik Broes: This is less extreme than the planned changes [3/06/2014
  3629.  
  3630. 11:40:55 PM] Drew: I really don't think mojang would like the fact that one of their employees
  3631.  
  3632. is in a chat flamming and arguing with mowing customers [3/06/2014 11:41:04 PM] Drew: Mojang*
  3633.  
  3634. [3/06/2014 11:41:21 PM] Drew: I for one will not be buying anything else mojang [3/06/2014
  3635.  
  3636. 11:41:30 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: ^ [3/06/2014 11:42:00 PM] craig-egerton:
  3637.  
  3638. [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes: <<< WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server
  3639.  
  3640. around' not a good enough reason to donate?most people dont realise what they have till its
  3641.  
  3642. gone [3/06/2014 11:42:01 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 11:42:18 PM]
  3643.  
  3644. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": honestly i don't see minecraft dieing, even if mojang changes
  3645.  
  3646. things, i would assume people would work around the system, and/or work with the system, but if
  3647.  
  3648. they have it in the terms at the moment and yet nothing had happened, i still don't see why
  3649.  
  3650. they are changing it now? [3/06/2014 11:43:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so grum
  3651.  
  3652. [3/06/2014 11:43:20 PM] WoodysGamertag: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes: <<< how is
  3653.  
  3654. 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donateIt's just not. I like wikipedia
  3655.  
  3656. but I've never donated. Have you? It's just kind of somebody else's responsibilty. People won't
  3657.  
  3658. support the server if they get nothing in return other than having it around. I suspect that
  3659.  
  3660. deep down you know that too. [3/06/2014 11:43:21 PM] Drew: I used to like mojang but Erik made
  3661.  
  3662. me realize they are not a good company [3/06/2014 11:43:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  3663.  
  3664. remember that mod api you were supposed to do 2 years ago? [3/06/2014 11:43:30 PM] Jake /
  3665.  
  3666. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yeah hows that coming. [3/06/2014 11:44:36 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3667.  
  3668. /ZionicGaming™: oh and grum [3/06/2014 11:44:44 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just
  3669.  
  3670. remember what got you started. [3/06/2014 11:44:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: bukkit
  3671.  
  3672. [3/06/2014 11:44:58 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: which wouldn't have happened without
  3673.  
  3674. these larger servers. [3/06/2014 11:45:16 PM] WoodysGamertag: People look at the price of a
  3675.  
  3676. rank and say, "OMG, it's horrible. How can they charge that?" It's optional. You can play at
  3677.  
  3678. WoodyCraft for free. It's just time consuming to mine diamonds and enchant armor. I've never
  3679.  
  3680. said, "OMG, my son has hundreds of dollars of minecraft stuff animals. How can they charge
  3681.  
  3682. that?" It was optional, I don't blame you for charging $40 for a toy. I could have decided not
  3683.  
  3684. to buy it. Instead, my son is a happy customer who sleeps with creepers and enderman.
  3685.  
  3686. [3/06/2014 11:45:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so why, you of ALL people, are you
  3687.  
  3688. attacking people who helped you get started. [3/06/2014 11:45:46 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  3689.  
  3690. /ZionicGaming™: especially when these server provide content for youtubers, who bring in all of
  3691.  
  3692. your players. [3/06/2014 11:45:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's just ridiculous.
  3693.  
  3694. [3/06/2014 11:49:18 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: also [3/06/2014 11:49:36 PM] Jake /
  3695.  
  3696. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: why the fuck would you attack your biggest supporters for events like
  3697.  
  3698. minecon [3/06/2014 11:49:48 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: one booth alone has sold for
  3699.  
  3700. 30 grand in the past. [3/06/2014 11:50:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: what makes that
  3701.  
  3702. kind of a loss worth it for a $13 a month server host. [3/06/2014 11:50:47 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  3703.  
  3704. Oh a more happy note: http://gyazo.com/f26dd75501491a26ae83730a43a58f4e [3/06/2014 11:50:53 PM]
  3705.  
  3706. Max | Sraph LTD: just got that tweet from a sticker company :$ [3/06/2014 11:51:10 PM] Jake /
  3707.  
  3708. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: lol [3/06/2014 11:51:12 PM] Drew: Really the only people these plans
  3709.  
  3710. will hurt is the honest servers, the bad servers won't give two fucks and continue doing bad
  3711.  
  3712. stuff [3/06/2014 11:51:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yup. [3/06/2014 11:51:43 PM]
  3713.  
  3714. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i mean most big servers wouldn't mind giving a license fee to
  3715.  
  3716. mojang too. [3/06/2014 11:52:49 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: nobodey would [3/06/2014 11:54:17 PM]
  3717.  
  3718. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": well, if that cuts out the servers that just join to make money,
  3719.  
  3720. like with $500 ranks... (usually smaller servers) [3/06/2014 11:56:53 PM] Erik Broes: On
  3721.  
  3722. 03/06/2014, at 16:13, Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™ wrote: > remember that mod api you were
  3723.  
  3724. supposed to do 2 years ago? Which one? [3/06/2014 11:57:36 PM] Erik Broes: I've never ever said
  3725.  
  3726. anything ever about doing a mod api :( [3/06/2014 11:58:12 PM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:27 AM,
  3727.  
  3728. Erik Broes wrote: > I've never ever said anything ever about doing a mod api :( But mojang did,
  3729.  
  3730. whether you like it or not that's what they called it [3/06/2014 11:58:51 PM] Erik Broes: Not
  3731.  
  3732. sure how that matters? :) [3/06/2014 11:59:12 PM] Erik Broes: Notch also said we'd have a
  3733.  
  3734. 'license for the api that would cost money' [3/06/2014 11:59:41 PM] Erik Broes: As long as the
  3735.  
  3736. people that scream things are not actually working on those things, I'd just ignore them if I
  3737.  
  3738. were you :) [12:00:00 AM] Drew: It matters you know what's he's talking about you don't need to
  3739.  
  3740. be an ass about it [12:00:43 AM] Erik Broes: I don't see how you can justify breaking the EULA
  3741.  
  3742. in any way [12:00:48 AM] Erik Broes: it just feels a bit stupid :D [12:01:25 AM] Erik Broes:
  3743.  
  3744. It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is not right and
  3745.  
  3746. still you do it [12:01:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: Grum [12:02:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: you guys can't
  3747.  
  3748. enforce this [12:03:01 AM] Erik Broes: We actually can [12:03:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: how?
  3749.  
  3750. [12:03:36 AM] Drew: Its really quite easy [12:03:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: There is many ways around
  3751.  
  3752. it [12:04:00 AM] Erik Broes: We'll ask nicely and then send really mean lawyers :) [12:04:06
  3753.  
  3754. AM] aa2202aa2202: aure [12:04:08 AM] aa2202aa2202: sure [12:04:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: go track
  3755.  
  3756. down every server [12:04:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": how are you going to enforce this to
  3757.  
  3758. all the servers lol [12:04:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: Also I will have a thing saying that the
  3759.  
  3760. purchases are not related [12:04:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: to mojang [12:04:42 AM] aa2202aa2202:
  3761.  
  3762. Mojang fucks up their game [12:04:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": no offence but that will
  3763.  
  3764. give a bad name to mojang, and also will waste a hell of a lot of money [12:04:55 AM] Erik
  3765.  
  3766. Broes: If they are not related to mojang you won't see them ingame :) [12:05:21 AM]
  3767.  
  3768. aa2202aa2202: Il sell a code [12:05:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: then people with that code [12:05:29
  3769.  
  3770. AM] aa2202aa2202: get rewards [12:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: not really, as a gaming company
  3771.  
  3772. defending your own IP is not 'weird', especially if you have very tolerant rules on how people
  3773.  
  3774. *can* make money with your game [12:06:07 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": not to put the fact
  3775.  
  3776. that you will be going after a majority of underage kids who want to play the game with there
  3777.  
  3778. friends and give people who want to help pay for the server, by giving them in game stuff, a
  3779.  
  3780. knock on the door [12:06:07 AM] publicpwner21: could we get someone working on a minecraft rip?
  3781.  
  3782. so that after all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with.
  3783.  
  3784. [12:06:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^ [12:06:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will eventually die
  3785.  
  3786. [12:06:31 AM] Erik Broes: we're not going after the kids [12:06:34 AM] Erik Broes: obviously
  3787.  
  3788. not :) [12:06:52 AM] Erik Broes: Mason: and we'd take down that without sending a nice letter
  3789.  
  3790. ;) [12:07:06 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": but thats what it is, i can name hundreds of server
  3791.  
  3792. that make money and they are run by underage kids [12:07:11 AM] Erik Broes: I truly do not see
  3793.  
  3794. what you guys have so much problems with? [12:07:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: You clearly don't know a
  3795.  
  3796. lot [12:07:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: about the community [12:07:43 AM] Drew: He clearly knows
  3797.  
  3798. nothing about anything [12:07:49 AM] publicpwner21: [12:06 AM] Erik Broes: <<< Mason: and we'd
  3799.  
  3800. take down that without sending a nice letter ;)did you send a letter to cube world? [12:07:52
  3801.  
  3802. AM] WoodysGamertag: I feel like these threats and attempts to catch Erik in some kind of logic
  3803.  
  3804. trap aren't productive. The fact is minecraft owns the IP and have the right to do what they
  3805.  
  3806. want with it. I just wish they saw it as a partnership like I do. [12:08:05 AM] Leet: [12:08
  3807.  
  3808. AM] Erik Broes: <<< I truly do not see what you guys have so much problems with?Because you're
  3809.  
  3810. talking to a bunch of people who make a living off of running servers. [12:08:06 AM] Erik
  3811.  
  3812. Broes: I've seen no threats at all? [12:08:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: [12:01 AM] Erik
  3813.  
  3814. Broes: <<< It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is
  3815.  
  3816. not right and still you do itOnly in that situation, it's possible that the person won't get
  3817.  
  3818. caught [12:08:26 AM] Erik Broes: Ah! Maybe that is the problem, servers are not to make a
  3819.  
  3820. living off at all [12:08:30 AM] Erik Broes: maybe you forgot to read our EULA [12:08:41 AM]
  3821.  
  3822. Erik Broes: Reno: and that is still the case [12:08:45 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:38 AM, Erik
  3823.  
  3824. Broes wrote: > maybe you forgot to read our EULA Maybe you forgot what makes your game what it
  3825.  
  3826. is [12:08:46 AM] WoodysGamertag: It's been a win/win. Servers like mine have extended the life
  3827.  
  3828. of minecraft and the players love the game more than they would if it was just survival.
  3829.  
  3830. [12:09:20 AM] Drew: Mojang just wants a bunch of survival clones now [12:09:26 AM] Drew: So the
  3831.  
  3832. game will just die [12:09:33 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^ [12:09:34 AM] Drew: No one will dev or create
  3833.  
  3834. for it anymore [12:09:46 AM] Erik Broes: Why would it be impossible to have a game-mode or a
  3835.  
  3836. minigame somewhere? [12:10:00 AM] WoodysGamertag: While I don't love the phrasing, Drew is on
  3837.  
  3838. to something. Servers have made minecraft more than it would be if it was only from mojang.
  3839.  
  3840. [12:10:01 AM] Erik Broes: Or is it only possible if there are big amounts of money involved?
  3841.  
  3842. [12:10:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one will spend 20 euro [12:10:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on survival
  3843.  
  3844. [12:10:18 AM] Drew: No one will have time to spent hours and hours creating stuff anymore
  3845.  
  3846. [12:10:39 AM] xerucide: Guize, guize, you'll never guess what I just saw [12:10:42 AM]
  3847.  
  3848. xerucide: A server [12:10:45 AM] xerucide: That has a paid... [12:10:53 AM] xerucide: DEV rank
  3849.  
  3850. [12:10:59 AM] Drew: I for one have spent the last year creating stuff only to find out now that
  3851.  
  3852. was all useless [12:11:25 AM] Erik Broes: Wait, so people do not create anything in their spare
  3853.  
  3854. time? [12:11:39 AM] Erik Broes: Isn't this how all your tools and even the game has been
  3855.  
  3856. created initially? :) [12:11:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Erik, do you think mojang will
  3857.  
  3858. plan to shut down all money making server schemes, or don't you think if that was the case to
  3859.  
  3860. try to salvage it and make it in to something you can work with? So it can benefit all of us?
  3861.  
  3862. [12:12:06 AM] Erik Broes: Plans sofar are that you will have a way to make money [12:12:06 AM]
  3863.  
  3864. Drew: I feel like the way mojang treats us we should just shut down and move one [12:12:21 AM]
  3865.  
  3866. Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:41 AM, Erik Broes wrote: > Wait, so people do not create anything in
  3867.  
  3868. their spare time? Its not spare time for a lot of us [12:12:24 AM] Erik Broes: which is
  3869.  
  3870. actualyl FAR better than it is now, as the EULA says you have no way to make money ;P [12:12:36
  3871.  
  3872. AM] Drew: Maybe a few people sure [12:12:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": and will it effect
  3873.  
  3874. the players gameplay on our servers? [12:13:32 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: maybe that is your mistake
  3875.  
  3876. then? [12:13:53 AM] Erik Broes: I mean, you just decided to only do things for money eventhough
  3877.  
  3878. there are no money flows allowed from the things you do this for? [12:13:56 AM] WoodysGamertag:
  3879.  
  3880. I spend all my waking hours working on my server. Honestly, it's about 18 hours a day 7 days a
  3881.  
  3882. week. I'm sure that servers like Hypixel have guys (or teams of guys) doing the same. If you
  3883.  
  3884. take away the profit motive then the pros will leave and only amateurs will be interested.
  3885.  
  3886. YouTube went through a similar change in reverse. When they started monetizing channels people
  3887.  
  3888. like CaptSparklez were born. The pros rolled in and made high effort videos. [12:14:09 AM] Erik
  3889.  
  3890. Broes: Seems like a simple thing you'd look at before you start on that [12:14:12 AM]
  3891.  
  3892. WoodysGamertag: It will hurt minecraft for sure. [12:14:15 AM] TATIMBLIN: I've been ready
  3893.  
  3894. through most of this and wanted chime in. It seems a great example to what kind of servers you
  3895.  
  3896. are trying to make is the planetminecraft server.
  3897.  
  3898. http://www.planetminecraft.com/server/planetminecraft-official-server/ [12:14:56 AM] Reno
  3899.  
  3900. Philibert | MineDesign: I think Erik's just a douchebag who should've been fired when he never
  3901.  
  3902. did what he was hired for [12:14:58 AM] TATIMBLIN: *reading [12:15:02 AM] Erik Broes: Why do
  3903.  
  3904. you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there is money
  3905.  
  3906. involved? [12:15:07 AM] Erik Broes: that is just sad :) [12:15:15 AM | Edited 12:15:16 AM] Erik
  3907.  
  3908. Broes: (and very greedy) [12:15:37 AM] Erik Broes: strange, I'm still doing that every day :/
  3909.  
  3910. [12:15:56 AM] Erik Broes: I never did what i was hired for? [12:15:59 AM] Iphonetips1
  3911.  
  3912. "SaiCoGaming": lol reno, i think thats a bit too far haha [12:16:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: No
  3913.  
  3914. [12:16:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: He did do his work [12:16:26 AM] xerucide: My god shit is going
  3915.  
  3916. down in this chat [12:16:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Working on the mod API? [12:16:30
  3917.  
  3918. AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Weird, we still don't have one [12:16:34 AM] Erik Broes: It's
  3919.  
  3920. retarded logic, if I wouldn't be doing the work I'd be hired for wouldn't I already be fired?
  3921.  
  3922. :) [12:16:36 AM] xerucide: And I'm over here fiddling with myself [12:16:40 AM] aa2202aa2202:
  3923.  
  3924. winter [12:16:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: Its not just the mod API [12:16:50 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: oh,
  3925.  
  3926. and the fact that you do not have one means we're not working on it? :) [12:17:03 AM] Reno
  3927.  
  3928. Philibert | MineDesign: [12:16 AM] Xeru: <<< And I'm over here fiddling with myselfWe don't
  3929.  
  3930. need to know you're masturbating [12:17:08 AM] Erik Broes: Do you even logic? :D [12:18:11 AM]
  3931.  
  3932. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": If you knew that server were breaking the EULA, then why give them a
  3933.  
  3934. panel at Minecon? That saying 'Hey look these are the guys that break our rules, and you should
  3935.  
  3936. listen to them as they help others break our rules!' [12:18:25 AM] Erik Broes: Nikolaous: I'll
  3937.  
  3938. bring an extra shirt :D [12:18:40 AM] Erik Broes: and why would you egg me? you are actually
  3939.  
  3940. getting a 'sortof heads up' -- be happy :) [12:18:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^ [12:18:59 AM]
  3941.  
  3942. TATIMBLIN: Erik: I think minecraft servers could have run without money, but capped at a max of
  3943.  
  3944. around 200 players. However since money has been introduced it would be hard to go back that
  3945.  
  3946. state. I'd also like to ask what you plan to do about leveling the playing field when people
  3947.  
  3948. already have ranks [12:19:19 AM] Erik Broes: So who broke the rules that we gave a panel? :/
  3949.  
  3950. (just curious, it doesn't actually matter obviously) [12:20:19 AM] Erik Broes: You can have
  3951.  
  3952. ranks obviously, you just cannot buy them with hard cash :) [12:20:30 AM] TATIMBLIN: It be hard
  3953.  
  3954. to take all of the paid ranks away from the millions of users, and if you let them keep it
  3955.  
  3956. would be even more unfair, due to now instead of paying to get equal opportunities ingame it is
  3957.  
  3958. just physically impossible [12:20:51 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Overcast Network, Hypixel,
  3959.  
  3960. Shotbow, they all answer questions about server, and even helped some kids get some donations
  3961.  
  3962. in to sell things with BuyCraft! [12:21:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: You can easily get around it
  3963.  
  3964. [12:21:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: One can donate a specific amount [12:21:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: then
  3965.  
  3966. you specify the ranks in game [12:21:29 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:14 AM] Erik Broes: <<< Why do
  3967.  
  3968. you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there is money
  3969.  
  3970. involved?Because pros work for money. I think the youtube example is a great one. Sparklez
  3971.  
  3972. hired an animation team, a vocalist, etc. I hire developers, admins, support staff, etc. You
  3973.  
  3974. get top quality work when you pay for it. If you hope that the online multiplayer experience
  3975.  
  3976. will continue to expand or even stay where it is without a profit motive than you're kidding
  3977.  
  3978. yourself. To be honest, this feels more like an attack on the community than a move in mojang's
  3979.  
  3980. best interest. I can't understand your motivation. [12:21:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: or something
  3981.  
  3982. [12:21:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^ [12:21:53 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: yeaaaaah and you get to
  3983.  
  3984. solve that isn't that fun!! You created this unbalance that was purely fed by greed [12:21:55
  3985.  
  3986. AM] WoodysGamertag: Every server owner breaks the EULA, every single one. [12:22:17 AM]
  3987.  
  3988. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": This was also broadcasted on the Minecraft Youtube Channel, so you
  3989.  
  3990. promoted that you can have a server like these guys, who make money and who just helped people
  3991.  
  3992. at a Minecraft Convention which you arranged them to do [12:22:42 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: nope,
  3993.  
  3994. because then it's not a donation [12:23:01 AM] Erik Broes: Woody: not true, servers exists that
  3995.  
  3996. do not do microtransations or perks for donations [12:23:10 AM] TATIMBLIN: I haven't made
  3997.  
  3998. anything from ranks so 1. Don't judge me and 2. It is your game [12:23:49 AM] Iphonetips1
  3999.  
  4000. "SaiCoGaming": ^ lol, please show me [12:23:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: Don't get me wrong [12:23:56
  4001.  
  4002. AM] aa2202aa2202: But many methods to get around it [12:24:30 AM] Erik Broes: tatimblin: good
  4003.  
  4004. to hear you are not selling ranks then :) [12:25:42 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:22 AM] Erik Broes:
  4005.  
  4006. <<< Woody: not true, servers exists that do not do microtransations or perks for donationsCan
  4007.  
  4008. you name some? I'm curious if they are popular. [12:25:48 AM] aa2202aa2202: 60% of servers will
  4009.  
  4010. shut down [12:25:57 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": did you know that the people in the panel at
  4011.  
  4012. Minecon were breaking your EULA? [12:26:01 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will slowely die
  4013.  
  4014. [12:26:12 AM] craig-egerton: [12:00 AM] Erik Broes: <<< I don't see how you can justify
  4015.  
  4016. breaking the EULA in any waypoints like this, no one has here, we are talking about making the
  4017.  
  4018. EULA stupid [12:26:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: Mhm we did ranks based on points that couldn't be bought.
  4019.  
  4020. And setup a way to donate for nothing [12:26:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then 1 day mojang will regret
  4021.  
  4022. their decision [12:27:15 AM] Erik Broes: no, talking about rewording the EULA so you actually
  4023.  
  4024. get more rights :) [12:27:47 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: that seems like a nice system,
  4025.  
  4026. according to everyone in here your server either sucks super hard or it will die in days
  4027.  
  4028. [12:28:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": ohhhhhh so you still won't enforce the EULA, but just
  4029.  
  4030. change it so that we have some rights? [12:28:40 AM] WoodysGamertag: I like the rights we have
  4031.  
  4032. now, EULA non-enforcement :) [12:28:45 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": So nothing will change
  4033.  
  4034. but actually giving us some right to do things [12:29:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: Just have players
  4035.  
  4036. donate [12:29:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on forums [12:29:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: they save they donated
  4037.  
  4038. [12:29:15 AM] aa2202aa2202: then give them ranks [12:29:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: So easy to bypass
  4039.  
  4040. [12:29:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: :) [12:29:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: There were about 30 people on, so it
  4041.  
  4042. was nice for a while (30 is good for just creative IMO) [12:29:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: Have it as
  4043.  
  4044. a donation payment [12:29:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: And add MC username to reason [12:29:49 AM]
  4045.  
  4046. aa2202aa2202: What can mojang do [12:29:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: without a webstore [12:30:16 AM]
  4047.  
  4048. Erik Broes: Amir: nope, you cannot 'give' people ranks based on an outside payment :) [12:30:50
  4049.  
  4050. AM] Erik Broes: It's really simple, money you spend outside of the game cannot reflect inside
  4051.  
  4052. the game at all [12:30:54 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": dw I'm sure BuyCraft will come up with
  4053.  
  4054. a way around it haha [12:31:14 AM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 10:36 AM,
  4055.  
  4056. Mason // PixelPrison wrote: > could we get someone working on a minecraft rip? so that after
  4057.  
  4058. all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with. not making a rip,
  4059.  
  4060. but I'm developing something better. [12:31:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: How will you monitor this
  4061.  
  4062. [12:31:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: I will have a donate button [12:31:38 AM] aa2202aa2202: no ranks
  4063.  
  4064. mentioned [12:31:39 AM] TATIMBLIN: Though it was too expensive for not making any money so we
  4065.  
  4066. all left to a server that was hosted by a bigger server in return for builds [12:31:59 AM]
  4067.  
  4068. aa2202aa2202: Just mention it in game/forums [12:32:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again [12:32:34
  4069.  
  4070. AM] aa2202aa2202: you can't monitor the ranks I give [12:32:35 AM] aa2202aa2202: in any way
  4071.  
  4072. [12:33:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again you can't verify that the people that have ranks have
  4073.  
  4074. donated [1:16:55 AM] Jordan // LOF Network: Can someone please answer my questions [1:17:35 AM]
  4075.  
  4076. Jordan // LOF Network: Is this officially happening? What exactly do we have to change [2:20:55
  4077.  
  4078. AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I'm 99% sure they do [2:22:11 AM] 9gigsofram: That would be increadilbly
  4079.  
  4080. dumb [2:22:34 AM] Dan: because Mojang is not a rip off merchant. did you know their game is a
  4081.  
  4082. 20 euro one time fee, although if you want to play with your friends it would've been free but
  4083.  
  4084. they closed all big servers for their 10 euro a month (or 120 euro a year) service. [2:23:24
  4085.  
  4086. AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Dan [2:23:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: People don't spend 120 euroes a year on
  4087.  
  4088. server perks? [2:23:46 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: not to my knowledge... [2:25:07 AM] craig-egerton:
  4089.  
  4090. [2:23 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: <<< People don't spend 120 euroes a year on server perks?factions
  4091.  
  4092. etc. they do [2:26:03 AM] craig-egerton: first year is alot more but they still spend alot
  4093.  
  4094. [2:26:26 AM] Dan: I know Max! but if you can't setup a LAN server, or host a server yourself
  4095.  
  4096. then you're going to need to pay Mojang that to maintain your server for you! [2:27:06 AM] Dan:
  4097.  
  4098. correction [2:27:22 AM] Dan: I doubt merely 50 of them have spent 120 euros [2:27:30 AM] Dan:
  4099.  
  4100. 500,000 people have joined my server [2:27:44 AM] Dan: but if that were realms, they'd need to
  4101.  
  4102. pay 10 euroes just to get a server with their friends! [2:30:46 AM] Dan: although, Erik seems
  4103.  
  4104. pretty confident that everyone would voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't
  4105.  
  4106. be there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there)
  4107.  
  4108. [2:30:49 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I've over 750,000 but then i've been around a bit longer [2:30:52
  4109.  
  4110. AM] Max | Sraph LTD: srs dan on 500,000? [2:31:01 AM] danstoogood: why don't we try that Erik?
  4111.  
  4112. [2:31:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: max [2:31:37 AM] danstoogood: you seem extremely confident that this
  4113.  
  4114. world is filled with warm hearted people [2:32:21 AM] bloxparadise_: dan i doubt he's listening
  4115.  
  4116. to you [2:33:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Yes aa2202 [2:33:46 AM] danstoogood: I doubt that :P
  4117.  
  4118. [2:35:05 AM] dillyg10: Same conversation as this morning? [2:35:23 AM] Gummy: So just to clear
  4119.  
  4120. the air, how is everyone today? [2:35:58 AM] lofnetwork: Yep [2:36:04 AM | Edited 2:38:25 AM]
  4121.  
  4122. danstoogood: yea dilly, it seems Erik is a hypocrite [2:36:06 AM] danstoogood: :| [2:37:05 AM]
  4123.  
  4124. christian.payne23: Why cant we be friends? Why cant we be friends? [2:37:44 AM] ilucamc: On
  4125.  
  4126. 6/3/14, at 19:05, xllgummybearxll wrote: > So just to clear the air, how is everyone today?
  4127.  
  4128. Well tried [2:38:10 AM] bloxparadise_: Because erik isn't friendly? [2:39:00 AM] Curtis.: Funny
  4129.  
  4130. how he ignored the questions about TheHive being shut down. [2:40:04 AM] bloxparadise_: Like he
  4131.  
  4132. didn't ignore anyone else [2:41:01 AM] christian.payne23: He ignored all the questions [2:41:31
  4133.  
  4134. AM] christian.payne23: I want to know how they think its right they get games like The Walls,
  4135.  
  4136. that originated somewhere else for realms. but are going to close down those servers [2:41:57
  4137.  
  4138. AM] christian.payne23: Without servers like hypixel, or mineplex, or thehive, mojang wont get
  4139.  
  4140. ideas for realms, so it will fail aswell. [2:42:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Anyone have a plugin that
  4141.  
  4142. lets you assign commands to mobs? [2:43:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: guess what [2:43:53 AM]
  4143.  
  4144. bloxparadise_: what? [2:48:21 AM] youaresohistory1: http://imgur.com/a/ZzsYJ Add me if
  4145.  
  4146. interested [2:50:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: youaresohistory [2:50:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: Is a scammer
  4147.  
  4148. [2:50:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: most likely [2:50:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: He has been offering a lot of
  4149.  
  4150. pre-built maps...... [2:50:57 AM] youaresohistory1: ? [2:50:59 AM] youaresohistory1: Proof.
  4151.  
  4152. [2:51:23 AM] aa2202aa2202: Proof that its yours [2:51:33 AM] bloxparadise_: What if he has made
  4153.  
  4154. alot? [2:51:37 AM] youaresohistory1: Pre-built doesn't mean a scam... [2:51:45 AM]
  4155.  
  4156. aa2202aa2202: Ahahha [2:51:46 AM] aa2202aa2202: thats funny [2:51:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: I live
  4157.  
  4158. 20 minutes [2:51:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: from that castle [2:51:56 AM] youaresohistory1: Everytime
  4159.  
  4160. I post, you're just like: SCAMMER! [2:52:04 AM] craig-egerton: [2:50 AM] Amir: <<<
  4161.  
  4162. youaresohistory Is a scammer most likely He has been offering a lot of pre-built maps......he
  4163.  
  4164. isnt a scammer [2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Please provide some proof before mindlessly
  4165.  
  4166. accusing me. [2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Thanks. [2:52:34 AM] craig-egerton: pretty sure its
  4167.  
  4168. a build team behind it [2:52:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said most likely [2:52:51 AM] dithrlos: as
  4169.  
  4170. much as i hate him [2:52:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:21 hat youaresohistory1
  4171.  
  4172. geschrieben: > Everytime I post, you're just like: SCAMMER! First time i said it [2:52:55 AM]
  4173.  
  4174. dithrlos: he isn't a scamer [2:53:05 AM] dithrlos: scammer* [2:53:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said
  4175.  
  4176. most likely [2:53:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: -.- [2:53:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: I was just assuming
  4177.  
  4178. [2:53:38 AM] youaresohistory1: Really? [2:53:50 AM] ilucamc: He really isn't [2:55:04 AM]
  4179.  
  4180. youaresohistory1: A pretty bad assumption [2:55:36 AM] craig-egerton: Amir, we where just
  4181.  
  4182. informing you your assumption was wrong, that is all [2:56:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: yeah [2:57:01
  4183.  
  4184. AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:25 hat youaresohistory1 geschrieben: > A pretty bad
  4185.  
  4186. assumption Not really [2:57:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: A pretty good one actually a lot of scammers
  4187.  
  4188. around these days. [2:58:24 AM] aa2202aa2202: Especially with builds and pre build ones but
  4189.  
  4190. however since you seem to have a good history I can say that my assumption was false [2:58:26
  4191.  
  4192. AM] aa2202aa2202: But i didn't really know you [2:58:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: so yeah [2:58:58 AM]
  4193.  
  4194. youaresohistory1: So your inference from my picture was: It's prebuilt. Therefore, it's from
  4195.  
  4196. PMC [2:59:03 AM] youaresohistory1: :P [3:00:12 AM] craig-egerton: chill guys, we are all
  4197.  
  4198. friends here (heart) [3:00:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Argument ends here. [3:00:33 AM]
  4199.  
  4200. youaresohistory1: Doesn't matter. [3:09:31 AM] Erik Broes: although, Erik seems pretty
  4201.  
  4202. confident that everyone would voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't be
  4203.  
  4204. there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there) <--
  4205.  
  4206. no realms is like a GSP [3:09:50 AM] bloxparadise_: is that all you can fucking say [3:09:52
  4207.  
  4208. AM] bloxparadise_: quit your job [3:09:56 AM] Erik Broes: or rather; we act as a GSP which has
  4209.  
  4210. nothing to do with microtransactions or other shit servers are pulling :) [3:10:56 AM]
  4211.  
  4212. bloxparadise_: "other shit servers" [3:11:00 AM] bloxparadise_: seems like you're the
  4213.  
  4214. ungrateful one [3:11:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Erik [3:11:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: stop ignoring all
  4215.  
  4216. points [3:11:11 AM] aa2202aa2202: scroll up [3:11:14 AM] aa2202aa2202: and REPLY To all of them
  4217.  
  4218. [3:12:24 AM] ilucamc: Erik. Please tell me why servers shouldn't be able to accept donations?
  4219.  
  4220. [3:13:06 AM] bloxparadise_: Because he's jealous lol [3:14:14 AM] ilucamc: I'm not sure if I
  4221.  
  4222. remember correctly, but didn't he also say we can't be accepting profit from this? [3:15:49 AM]
  4223.  
  4224. bloxparadise_: wouldn't doubt it [3:20:54 AM] danstoogood: [3:09 AM] Erik Broes: <<< other shit
  4225.  
  4226. servers are pulling [3:21:36 AM] danstoogood: that is what is upsetting me [3:21:43 AM]
  4227.  
  4228. danstoogood: you're acting as-if every server tries to rip off their players [3:22:28 AM]
  4229.  
  4230. bloxparadise_: mojang in general upsets me in general lol [3:23:34 AM] aa2202aa2202: Wow
  4231.  
  4232. [3:23:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: .,. [3:32:57 AM] nextinlinebro_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
  4233.  
  4234. v=5WpZddamHwA&feature=youtu.be GUYS LOOK OMG [3:33:22 AM] bloxparadise_: OMG [3:33:29 AM]
  4235.  
  4236. bloxparadise_: LOLOL [3:34:06 AM] bloxparadise_: haha i just love the background view [3:34:07
  4237.  
  4238. AM] bloxparadise_: of india [3:34:19 AM] ilucamc: Amazing [3:35:39 AM] shahriya96: hes hot
  4239.  
  4240. [3:35:57 AM] bloxparadise_: lol [3:36:10 AM] youaresohistory1: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [3:36:16
  4241.  
  4242. AM] bloxparadise_: Wonder how long it took to dress up XD [3:45:51 AM] publicpwner21: I love
  4243.  
  4244. [3:45:54 AM] publicpwner21: the rainforest sounds [3:45:57 AM] publicpwner21: in the background
  4245.  
  4246. [3:46:05 AM] publicpwner21: or whatever that shit be [3:46:33 AM] bloxparadise_: XD [3:46:54
  4247.  
  4248. AM] publicpwner21: he also has some really nice hair [3:48:21 AM] christian.payne23: I think
  4249.  
  4250. erik gave up [3:49:05 AM] Erik Broes: Lol no [3:49:18 AM] Erik Broes: Learning Swedish so just
  4251.  
  4252. busy [3:50:07 AM] bloxparadise_: I hoep you're joking [3:52:42 AM] ilucamc: Why doesn't anyone
  4253.  
  4254. say, "is anyone renting .net"? [3:53:13 AM] bloxparadise_: cuz .net sucks [3:54:16 AM] ilucamc:
  4255.  
  4256. How so? [3:54:30 AM] bloxparadise_: It's not as pouplated [3:54:49 AM] bloxparadise_: hence the
  4257.  
  4258. reason nobody asks is anyone renting .net [3:55:00 AM | Edited 3:55:10 AM] danstoogood: ok, I
  4259.  
  4260. can understand Mojang's aggrevation, ok [3:55:03 AM] christian.payne23: Erik, explain one thing
  4261.  
  4262. for me [3:55:29 AM] danstoogood: but, I think a lot of things are being distorted [3:56:04 AM |
  4263.  
  4264. Edited 3:56:08 AM] danstoogood: for example, http://puu.sh/9dwDf/162db0d795.png - it's not even
  4265.  
  4266. possible to "redirect" through the client [3:56:09 AM | Edited 3:56:32 AM] christian.payne23:
  4267.  
  4268. How can you steall the mini game ideas from servers, but then threaten them? If you make the
  4269.  
  4270. owners close the servers, mojang wont have anymore good ideas to steall for your precious
  4271.  
  4272. realms..... [3:56:34 AM] danstoogood: we're not all money thirsty 13 year olds, I just want you
  4273.  
  4274. to understand that :P [3:56:36 AM] christian.payne23: ^^^^^ [3:57:42 AM] Drew: Heck im not even
  4275.  
  4276. taking donations atm :P [3:58:24 AM] danstoogood: and, people moan about being innappreciative,
  4277.  
  4278. but most of this chit chat is like; http://puu.sh/9dwO9/bd2d572480.png [3:58:31 AM | Edited
  4279.  
  4280. 3:58:50 AM] danstoogood: a 5 second wait for a free mod isn't too bad, and people are claiming
  4281.  
  4282. that is the problem with the community [3:59:34 AM] danstoogood: for example some other upvoted
  4283.  
  4284. posts: "Im patiently awaiting Mojang to totally wreck the shitty modders who screw with the
  4285.  
  4286. game by intentionally crashing the game or by adding DRM in their mods." [4:02:29 AM]
  4287.  
  4288. danstoogood: I just feel mojang and the "reddit group" have cast a negative blanket over all of
  4289.  
  4290. us due to just a few of the server owners actions [4:09:06 AM] dillyg10: Seriously [4:09:18 AM]
  4291.  
  4292. dillyg10: This has been a nearly 24 hour discussion [4:09:21 AM] dillyg10: It's time to call it
  4293.  
  4294. quits. [4:10:47 AM] calebmerridethbell: No, this is interesting! haha. [4:11:03 AM]
  4295.  
  4296. bloxparadise_: it gets frusturating :/ [4:11:12 AM] ilucamc: ^ [4:12:38 AM | Edited 4:13:14 AM]
  4297.  
  4298. danstoogood: sorry it's just annoying me that people are saying "I hate servers that you have
  4299.  
  4300. to pay to, why do mineplex and hypixel do that?" without understanding the infrastructure
  4301.  
  4302. behind these servers, and that as soon as these changes are in effect, the servers will be
  4303.  
  4304. unable to run and everything will change, almost immediately [4:13:52 AM] danstoogood: sure,
  4305.  
  4306. those servers filled with bold text and overpriced ranks will close, but also large community
  4307.  
  4308. servers will cease to exist [4:17:33 AM] Erik Broes: I dont see why they would stop to exist;
  4309.  
  4310. they will change their business model and actually be allowed to make money that way [4:18:19
  4311.  
  4312. AM] bloxparadise_: Not all of us are rich as shit [4:18:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh because nobody
  4313.  
  4314. will fucking donate? [4:18:40 AM] bloxparadise_: What's so hard to understand? [4:18:47 AM]
  4315.  
  4316. Drew: We should all just stop talking about this in here because its going to get no where :)
  4317.  
  4318. [4:19:05 AM] danstoogood: I am reading reddit now [4:19:09 AM] Erik Broes: Oh so people
  4319.  
  4320. wouldn't want you around? :D [4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: and I think I have the COMPLETE wrong
  4321.  
  4322. idea [4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: lol [4:19:14 AM] danstoogood: holy shit [4:19:23 AM]
  4323.  
  4324. danstoogood: well I sorta had the right idea [4:19:30 AM] danstoogood: ok I am going to rework
  4325.  
  4326. my server [4:20:14 AM] Erik Broes: When we make up our mind about what will be in the EULA you
  4327.  
  4328. will have some time to adjust [4:20:20 AM] danstoogood: ok [4:20:27 AM] danstoogood: soz for
  4329.  
  4330. coming across so harshly lol [4:20:29 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan what are you reading? [4:20:43 AM]
  4331.  
  4332. danstoogood: I feel kinda like a dick that nothing has ever been announced [4:20:46 AM] Erik
  4333.  
  4334. Broes: But sofar the changes are in your favor, right now you have no rights at all to make
  4335.  
  4336. money, then you will [4:21:00 AM] danstoogood: soz Erik lol [4:21:20 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan
  4337.  
  4338. link/ [4:21:37 AM] danstoogood:
  4339.  
  4340. http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/2720xt/psa_to_server_owners_selling_a_diamond_sword_
  4341.  
  4342. on_a/ [4:21:38 AM] Erik Broes: it's just nice food for thought, so you can already consider
  4343.  
  4344. less lame ways to squeeze money from people :P [4:21:41 AM] danstoogood: I'm just reading
  4345.  
  4346. through that [4:22:10 AM] dillyg10: xD [4:22:11 AM | Edited 4:22:30 AM] danstoogood: yea Erik,
  4347.  
  4348. can you give us a brief idea of what's going to happen so we can sort of think ahead? :P
  4349.  
  4350. [4:22:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik you're such a fucking troll [4:22:20 AM] christian.payne23: But we
  4351.  
  4352. are not squeezing money.... [4:22:22 AM] Erik Broes: it's not set in stone yet; the first draft
  4353.  
  4354. after todays meeting hasn't even gone out [4:22:33 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, it's just hilarious
  4355.  
  4356. [4:22:54 AM] dillyg10: Continue ;P [4:23:06 AM] christian.payne23: It is OPTIONAL TO DONATE or
  4357.  
  4358. PURCHASE RANKS OR ITEMS. We are not forcing them to. It is optional. it is their choice.
  4359.  
  4360. [4:23:20 AM] danstoogood: any information AT ALL? (wasntme) [4:23:38 AM] danstoogood: captain
  4361.  
  4362. that argument is over [4:23:41 AM] dillyg10: I honest to god wonder how long this conversation
  4363.  
  4364. will carry on [4:23:44 AM] danstoogood: this all started over a tweet from Marc, lol [4:23:51
  4365.  
  4366. AM] dillyg10: Like... I'm putting bets on another 2 days [4:24:16 AM] nextinlinebro_: I say we
  4367.  
  4368. move back to the #bickering IRC channel [4:24:17 AM] nextinlinebro_: ANyone agree? [4:24:50 AM]
  4369.  
  4370. Erik Broes: CaptainBob: is it also optional to follow our EULA? :P [4:25:01 AM] Erik Broes: no
  4371.  
  4372. this started 7 months ago when i brought up the issue [4:25:22 AM] christian.payne23: No its
  4373.  
  4374. not. But why the hell, after like 4 years, do you care so much about it now? [4:25:24 AM] Erik
  4375.  
  4376. Broes: the '$10k perk' has put some fire under certain peoples asses [4:26:01 AM] Erik Broes:
  4377.  
  4378. and now finally things are given the right priority [4:26:07 AM] dillyg10: Lol and it all
  4379.  
  4380. started [4:26:25 AM] dillyg10: Because fucking felipe sent a C&D to matt [4:26:28 AM] Erik
  4381.  
  4382. Broes: Because it is a growing problem for us? [4:26:33 AM] dillyg10: So [4:26:39 AM] dillyg10:
  4383.  
  4384. Think about that :) [4:26:55 AM] Erik Broes: When you now google for minecraft servers it
  4385.  
  4386. starts to become about 'shop/perk/rank/whatever' almost instantly [4:27:07 AM] Drew: The right
  4387.  
  4388. priority lmfao [4:27:25 AM] Erik Broes: we get increasing amounts of complaints from users on
  4389.  
  4390. support with 'things going wrong' or 'being unfair' or 'my kids has paid for this blabla and we
  4391.  
  4392. demand a chargeback' [4:27:39 AM] dillyg10: Err [4:27:48 AM] christian.payne23: Then get rid of
  4393.  
  4394. the freaking assholes who have the 10k perk.... [4:27:50 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: heh that is
  4395.  
  4396. what got me into this chat [4:27:54 AM] Erik Broes: but it started before that [4:27:54 AM |
  4397.  
  4398. Edited 4:28:03 AM] dillyg10: www.lmgtfy.com/?q=minecraft%20servers [4:27:56 AM]
  4399.  
  4400. christian.payne23: Why punish us all? [4:28:08 AM] Drew: How about that list of 1,600 hacked
  4401.  
  4402. accounts I sent you months ago you did nothing about and now a bunch of kids are reselling? I
  4403.  
  4404. guess that doesn't matter, glad you got your priorities straight [4:28:10 AM] bloxparadise_:
  4405.  
  4406. Then email them back and say its not your responsibility? [4:28:22 AM] danstoogood: one point I
  4407.  
  4408. would like you to acknowledge is that those issues are USUALLY associated with the poorly
  4409.  
  4410. managed servers [4:28:36 AM] bloxparadise_: I haven't had 1 chargback since I opened [4:28:37
  4411.  
  4412. AM] Erik Broes: It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the way the game is slowly
  4413.  
  4414. turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our rules say you cannot do
  4415.  
  4416. that [4:28:44 AM] bloxparadise_: if I did, it was a small one that was resolved quickly
  4417.  
  4418. [4:28:59 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people [4:29:12 AM] Erik
  4419.  
  4420. Broes: more i cannot do about it, i dont even have access to the accounts in that way [4:29:30
  4421.  
  4422. AM] christian.payne23: I had one charge back. And it was because the dad didn't know what was
  4423.  
  4424. going on. I emailed him, and it was solved. Simple as that [4:29:56 AM | Edited 4:30:45 AM]
  4425.  
  4426. danstoogood: so Erik, would you say that after these changes are in effect a $5 a month
  4427.  
  4428. OPTIONAL and strictly optional payment for a coloured name and other various coded perks (none
  4429.  
  4430. of Minecraft's IP) which would support upkeep is accepted? [4:29:57 AM] christian.payne23: just
  4431.  
  4432. like blox [4:30:02 AM] danstoogood: I am not planning on doing so [4:30:20 AM] danstoogood:
  4433.  
  4434. just simply would like to get an idea of what you guys are thinking of doing [4:30:20 AM] Drew:
  4435.  
  4436. On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the
  4437.  
  4438. way the game is slowly turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our
  4439.  
  4440. rules say you cannot do that IT IS NOT, CERTIAN SERVERS HAVE THE ///OPTION/// TO DO THAT BUT
  4441.  
  4442. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SERVERS THAT DONT [4:30:33 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes
  4443.  
  4444. wrote: > Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people well nothing happened lol [4:30:53
  4445.  
  4446. AM] Erik Broes: no, but you can surely add some soft/ingame currency that people can earn by
  4447.  
  4448. playing to color their name [4:30:55 AM] Drew: Now a bunch of kids are getting their accounts
  4449.  
  4450. sold out from under them [4:31:07 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: then 'those other servers' will not be
  4451.  
  4452. bothered by the changes [4:31:26 AM] danstoogood: I am confused now [4:31:38 AM] bloxparadise_:
  4453.  
  4454. Then how do you expect me to pay for my server, erik? [4:31:44 AM] danstoogood: Erik what
  4455.  
  4456. exactly are you proposing lol [4:32:00 AM] danstoogood: I mean, $5 a month for a coloured name,
  4457.  
  4458. if they want to support the server I thought would be perfectly acceptable? :P [4:32:04 AM]
  4459.  
  4460. Erik Broes: yeah i should rephrase that 'add' i used; 'create a currency system in the game' --
  4461.  
  4462. not 'award virtual currency for real money' [4:32:09 AM] dillyg10: Okay Erik, what about this
  4463.  
  4464. [4:32:10 AM] Erik Broes: blox: with money? [4:32:13 AM] bloxparadise_: And after I can't pay
  4465.  
  4466. for my server, how do you expect players to have fun and play minecraft? [4:32:13 AM] dillyg10:
  4467.  
  4468. People pay me money [4:32:15 AM] dillyg10: But [4:32:23 AM] bloxparadise_: Seems we're just
  4469.  
  4470. saying the same shit over and over.. [4:32:25 AM] dillyg10: they send it in the form of goat
  4471.  
  4472. [4:32:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what about $5 a month without a colored name to support their
  4473.  
  4474. server? [4:32:31 AM] dillyg10: In exchange for that goat [4:32:35 AM] dillyg10: I give them
  4475.  
  4476. cattle [4:32:37 AM] dillyg10: ingame. [4:32:43 AM] danstoogood: then it would be less appealing
  4477.  
  4478. [4:32:46 AM] dillyg10: The cattle can be brought to an in game shop [4:32:51 AM] dillyg10:
  4479.  
  4480. Where they can exchange that [4:32:53 AM] dillyg10: for perks. [4:32:56 AM] dillyg10: Now how
  4481.  
  4482. does that sound? [4:32:59 AM] Erik Broes: dan: why not? :) [4:33:01 AM] danstoogood: and then
  4483.  
  4484. we can get on the topic of Realms being free and letting people pay as they please [4:33:07 AM]
  4485.  
  4486. Max | Sraph LTD: Erik [4:33:23 AM] danstoogood: which if you think is possible I am happy to
  4487.  
  4488. experiment with that [4:33:34 AM] bloxparadise_: ^ [4:33:36 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: what about we
  4489.  
  4490. go on like we have for the last 3 years of minecraft [4:33:41 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: maybe
  4491.  
  4492. slightly bloated on the youtube side, with sponsorship prices [4:33:43 AM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  4493.  
  4494. it's a good eco system [4:33:44 AM] Erik Broes: we have no intention to make realms free,
  4495.  
  4496. again, realms is more like a GSP not a 'microtransaction to good you already have paid for'
  4497.  
  4498. [4:34:04 AM] danstoogood: just you know that players do not wish to receive nothing in return
  4499.  
  4500. [4:34:11 AM] danstoogood: GSP? what's that [4:34:39 AM | Removed 4:34:35 AM] danstoogood: This
  4501.  
  4502. message has been removed. [4:34:43 AM] dillyg10: So my marketing strategy is: (sheep) = (dog) =
  4503.  
  4504. (cash) [4:34:53 AM] Erik Broes: how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands for
  4505.  
  4506. both DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for outrageous
  4507.  
  4508. prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o) [4:34:53 AM] dillyg10: I think
  4509.  
  4510. that'll align with your EULA [4:35:03 AM] Drew: But you haven't paid for it [4:35:10 AM] Erik
  4511.  
  4512. Broes: GameServerProvider (think multiplay) [4:35:14 AM] Drew: A perk that I create is not
  4513.  
  4514. something they paid for [4:35:55 AM] Drew: They didn't party for prefixes when they bought
  4515.  
  4516. minecraft [4:36:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: SSSS [4:36:33 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: a perk that requires
  4517.  
  4518. the client to see it is something they paid for [4:36:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um
  4519.  
  4520. 21:04 hat Erik Broes geschrieben: > how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands
  4521.  
  4522. for both DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for
  4523.  
  4524. outrageous prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o) Deal with it [4:36:41
  4525.  
  4526. AM] aa2202aa2202: You won't change shit [4:37:31 AM] Drew: No it's really not [4:37:37 AM]
  4527.  
  4528. bloxparadise_: Uh I can sell whatever the shit I want for whatever price, I thought that wasn't
  4529.  
  4530. mojang's business [4:37:50 AM] nextinlinebro_: @Erik Have you ever tried smoking pot? [4:38:20
  4531.  
  4532. AM | Edited 4:38:19 AM] Drew: I guess that they already bought your game because they paid for
  4533.  
  4534. windows to see it (rofl) [4:38:20 AM] bloxparadise_: looool [4:38:52 AM] Erik Broes: nope and
  4535.  
  4536. never intend to unless i get some weird cancer [4:39:28 AM] dillyg10: What kind of alcohol do
  4537.  
  4538. you guys drink in Sweeden? [4:39:42 AM] bloxparadise_: have you ever checked? [4:39:43 AM]
  4539.  
  4540. bloxparadise_: you should [4:39:46 AM] nextinlinebro_: Clearly you need to try some [4:40:16
  4541.  
  4542. AM] 9gigsofram: so you are going to turn it into world of warcraft private servers :P [4:40:25
  4543.  
  4544. AM] dillyg10: Honestly not a trolly question, always wondered :P [4:40:42 AM | Edited 4:40:36
  4545.  
  4546. AM] 9gigsofram: even more pay to win to maintain the legal workarounds :O [4:41:46 AM] Erik
  4547.  
  4548. Broes: dillyg10: overly expensive ones hehe [4:42:16 AM] danstoogood: I don't think as a
  4549.  
  4550. representative of a large company he can admit to smoking a class B drug [4:42:16 AM]
  4551.  
  4552. bloxparadise_: Erik do you get paid least at mojang? xD [4:42:32 AM] 9gigsofram: fancy [4:43:22
  4553.  
  4554. AM] dillyg10: Heh :P [4:43:30 AM] Erik Broes: blox: obviously :P [4:43:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan:
  4555.  
  4556. why not? [4:43:46 AM] Erik Broes: smoking pot is not illegal; just stupid [4:43:56 AM] Erik
  4557.  
  4558. Broes: pot/weed/grass/whatever [4:43:56 AM] 9gigsofram: well its not smoking it that is illegal
  4559.  
  4560. [4:43:58 AM] danstoogood: it's a class B drug here lol [4:43:59 AM] Drew: As a representative
  4561.  
  4562. of a company he shouldn't be distributing illegally obtained property either xD [4:44:02 AM]
  4563.  
  4564. 9gigsofram: its possessing it [4:44:03 AM] dillyg10: I mean, do you guys get more of a german
  4565.  
  4566. or russian influence there? [4:44:10 AM | Edited 4:44:14 AM] dillyg10: As far as the alcohol
  4567.  
  4568. goes [4:44:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: He gets paid in twisslers [4:44:22 AM] bloxparadise_: k thx
  4569.  
  4570. for ruining the joke [4:44:23 AM] danstoogood: and pricey [4:44:24 AM] 9gigsofram: and if he
  4571.  
  4572. visited somwhere it was legal he could say what he wanted :P [4:44:27 AM] nextinlinebro_: Id
  4573.  
  4574. love to get paid in twisslers [4:44:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: also mojang is not a large company
  4575.  
  4576. [4:44:42 AM] danstoogood: :O [4:45:11 AM] danstoogood: the 3rd biggest selling video game
  4577.  
  4578. [4:45:14 AM] Erik Broes: ~36 people is not 'large' by any means :) [4:45:42 AM] danstoogood:
  4579.  
  4580. lol my friend who's in amsterdam atm literally just messaged me as that subject came up in chat
  4581.  
  4582. [4:44 AM] KooKie: <<< holy shit Dan In Amsterdam, like literally a weed store every 100m
  4583.  
  4584. [4:45:52 AM] Erik Broes: yes with a team of 5 for the game, 4 for realms … whooo :P [4:46:29
  4585.  
  4586. AM] 9gigsofram: 4 for realms? [4:46:35 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: bull shit, it has lots of shops
  4587.  
  4588. where you can get it, but once you leave the touristy area its 'as hard to get as anywhere'
  4589.  
  4590. [4:46:36 AM] 9gigsofram: seems a tad excessive :P [4:46:49 AM] bloxparadise_: yeah that's a
  4591.  
  4592. shit load of money [4:46:51 AM] bloxparadise_: so why t'f you guys mad [4:46:52 AM] 9gigsofram:
  4593.  
  4594. i guess support takes up alot of that though [4:47:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik, totally out of the
  4595.  
  4596. blue [4:47:19 AM] Erik Broes: because some servers are ruining the game? :) [4:47:19 AM]
  4597.  
  4598. bloxparadise_: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-
  4599.  
  4600. 9/10390332_689299854441142_5150017957485640618_n.jpg [4:47:19 AM] dillyg10: but do you guys do
  4601.  
  4602. internships at Mojang? [4:47:34 AM] Erik Broes: no support is another company [4:47:47 AM]
  4603.  
  4604. bloxparadise_: you said it yourself [4:47:48 AM] bloxparadise_: "some" [4:47:59 AM]
  4605.  
  4606. bloxparadise_: how about you go deal with those "some" servers and leave us alone [4:48:12 AM]
  4607.  
  4608. Drew: How are 'some' servers ruining the game [4:48:19 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: nothing
  4609.  
  4610. noteworthy [4:48:21 AM] Drew: The servers are independent [4:48:27 AM] Erik Broes: we've had
  4611.  
  4612. some person visit for a week for example [4:48:32 AM] Drew: They dont affect the game [4:48:54
  4613.  
  4614. AM] Erik Broes: Drew: they ruin the image of the game by ever so slowly push it to 'pay2win'
  4615.  
  4616. [4:48:57 AM] 9gigsofram: less than 1% of servers :P [4:49:06 AM] 9gigsofram: what do those 4
  4617.  
  4618. people do :O [4:49:33 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:18 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > dillyg10:
  4619.  
  4620. nothing noteworthy Ehh was just curios, was thinking about going abroad for school at some
  4621.  
  4622. point, sweden seems like a neat place :P [4:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: if you are referring to
  4623.  
  4624. mineplex/hypixel/hive/octc then deal with them [4:49:57 AM] nextinlinebro_:
  4625.  
  4626. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WpZddamHwA @Grum ^-^ [4:50:17 AM] dillyg10: Ah, so nothing
  4627.  
  4628. longterm :P [4:50:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will be [4:50:41 AM] bloxparadise_: "BEST PLUGIN
  4629.  
  4630. DEVLOPMENT" [4:50:54 AM] Drew: My server isn't pay to win [4:50:58 AM] Drew: As are most
  4631.  
  4632. servers [4:51:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "FOR ALL OF YOUR PLOGIN NEEDS" [4:51:16 AM] Erik Broes:
  4633.  
  4634. dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it [4:51:40 AM] VoxaDub: Grum
  4635.  
  4636. what does 'dealing with them' mean? [4:51:51 AM] Drew: I DONT think so little kids servers are
  4637.  
  4638. ruining any image [4:52:14 AM] danstoogood: Erik do you want to play our servers with us so we
  4639.  
  4640. can demonstrate lol [4:52:29 AM] Erik Broes: Voxadub: making the rules more explicit in what
  4641.  
  4642. they can and cannot do :P [4:52:48 AM] Erik Broes: but we cannot just go to the 'big ones' and
  4643.  
  4644. say: hey stop! -- would be unfair to the smaller ones right? [4:53:02 AM] Drew: I DONT think
  4645.  
  4646. you have any idea what's going on in your community [4:53:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "they" [4:53:07
  4647.  
  4648. AM] bloxparadise_: does that mean I can sell diamond blocks lol [4:53:30 AM] Drew: Idk why my
  4649.  
  4650. tablet keeps capsing DONT [4:53:43 AM] 9gigsofram: question [4:53:44 AM] Erik Broes: blox:
  4651.  
  4652. seeing your screaming -- that is what you are doing right? [4:53:51 AM] VoxaDub: So like
  4653.  
  4654. selling stuff? [4:54:05 AM] 9gigsofram: can we ignore these guidelines if we live in uae and
  4655.  
  4656. have a server hosted offshore :P [4:54:14 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: i probably mostly know the bad
  4657.  
  4658. stuff -- sitting in here :P [4:54:41 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:21 PM, Erik Broes wrote: >
  4659.  
  4660. dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it Ah that's a shame, well it
  4661.  
  4662. won't be a few years till I'm at that point anyways, keep your schedule open :P [4:54:46 AM]
  4663.  
  4664. bloxparadise_: Erik i'm not screaming m8 [4:55:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: no? :) [4:55:03
  4665.  
  4666. AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 3:24 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > Drew: i probably mostly know the bad
  4667.  
  4668. stuff -- sitting in here :P Fair enough [4:55:29 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)
  4669.  
  4670. [4:58:19 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:25 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)
  4671.  
  4672. Hmm, maybe I should get Notch to do it. I can work on all his... projects [4:58:23 AM]
  4673.  
  4674. 9gigsofram: well what would you do about it :P [4:58:26 AM] 9gigsofram: just asking for when
  4675.  
  4676. sombody does that [4:59:14 AM] VoxaDub: That is a good point, what will happen if you (mojang)
  4677.  
  4678. approaches a server about something and they dont do anything about it? [4:59:57 AM] VoxaDub:
  4679.  
  4680. Cuz I cant imagine it would be very effective to sue every server owner out there [5:00:18 AM]
  4681.  
  4682. VoxaDub: And some large networks could hold their own in court, due to the money they make.
  4683.  
  4684. [5:01:25 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh well a violation of a tos isn't something you can just win
  4685.  
  4686. [5:02:36 AM] 9gigsofram: well they dont evne need court [5:02:42 AM] danstoogood: also you do
  4687.  
  4688. not need a minecraft account to run a server [5:02:52 AM] 9gigsofram: and [5:02:53 AM] Erik
  4689.  
  4690. Broes: that doesn't matter [5:02:57 AM] 9gigsofram: jsut bulletproof hosting [5:03:01 AM]
  4691.  
  4692. 9gigsofram: company represented in an appropriate country [5:03:10 AM] VoxaDub: @dan thats what
  4693.  
  4694. I was going to say lol [5:03:23 AM] bloxparadise_: erik can you answer the question [5:03:26
  4695.  
  4696. AM] bloxparadise_: what would you do if we violated the tos [5:04:00 AM] 9gigsofram: i dont run
  4697.  
  4698. a large server [5:04:05 AM] Erik Broes: blox: send a mail asking you to fix it [5:04:06 AM]
  4699.  
  4700. 9gigsofram: im just asking qustions :P [5:04:57 AM] VoxaDub: Same [5:04:59 AM] Erik Broes: i
  4701.  
  4702. know what you run 9gigsofram ;) [5:05:02 AM] bloxparadise_: and if we don't? [5:05:46 AM] Erik
  4703.  
  4704. Broes: blox: lawyers? :( [5:06:34 AM] 9gigsofram: as i said [5:06:36 AM] 9gigsofram: its not
  4705.  
  4706. that big [5:06:41 AM] 9gigsofram: just 53 players on right now :P [5:06:49 AM] VoxaDub: But
  4707.  
  4708. erik is it legitmate that you would do that with EVERY server? [5:07:15 AM] bloxparadise_: ip?
  4709.  
  4710. [5:07:18 AM] VoxaDub: Because I can imagine most large ones would try to fight it, if for say
  4711.  
  4712. its disallowing selling items. [5:07:23 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: if need be :/ [5:07:32 AM]
  4713.  
  4714. 9gigsofram: play.chosencraft.com [5:07:40 AM] Erik Broes: i think the large ones will change
  4715.  
  4716. right away [5:07:47 AM] Erik Broes: well as fast as a large one can change :) [5:08:13 AM]
  4717.  
  4718. VoxaDub: Well yeah most likely they will, but If it impedes on donations that could be another
  4719.  
  4720. story. [5:08:27 AM] danstoogood: I'm happy to re-work my packages, just I'd like to know if
  4721.  
  4722. you're completely aboloshing the "purchase" idea [5:08:30 AM | Edited 5:08:32 AM] danstoogood:
  4723.  
  4724. (worry) [5:08:33 AM] bloxparadise_: so what do you want us to change exactly [5:09:03 AM]
  4725.  
  4726. 9gigsofram: they'll either comply or move to safe havens so they don't need to i suppose :P
  4727.  
  4728. [5:09:13 AM] bloxparadise_: can you guys maybe announce this somehow [5:09:14 AM] Erik Broes:
  4729.  
  4730. Dan: that is the plan yes [5:09:27 AM] Erik Broes: but again, nothing set in stone :) [5:09:40
  4731.  
  4732. AM] VoxaDub: Yeah thats my question lol, seems everyone at mojangs keeps avoiding answering it
  4733.  
  4734. too. [5:10:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik you want to completely stop us from getting donations
  4735.  
  4736. [5:10:26 AM] danstoogood: so hypixel will no longer have a VIP option, if what is currently
  4737.  
  4738. being planned was to take place? [5:10:33 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will when we change it
  4739.  
  4740. [5:10:45 AM] Erik Broes: no, you can get donations, but as donations work, you cannot give
  4741.  
  4742. anything back -- because then it is a purchase [5:11:14 AM] VoxaDub: So the goal is to get rid
  4743.  
  4744. of server purchases? [5:11:18 AM] VoxaDub: Oh dear god. [5:11:40 AM] bloxparadise_: rip
  4745.  
  4746. minecraft [5:11:43 AM] VoxaDub: So I'm assuming buycraft and enjin will be shut down? [5:11:53
  4747.  
  4748. AM] 9gigsofram: that not going to fly :P [5:12:11 AM] bloxparadise_: erik, you are a bitch
  4749.  
  4750. [5:12:14 AM] bloxparadise_: sincerely [5:12:15 AM] bloxparadise_: me [5:12:38 AM] Drew: >
  4751.  
  4752. [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:42:16 PM ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ | Public Skype] me *everyone [5:12:45 AM] bloxparadise_:
  4753.  
  4754. Not just you but the shits working at Mojang that want to ruin this game that was perfect
  4755.  
  4756. before [5:13:01 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs yeah my thoughts exactly.... [5:13:07 AM] Erik Broes: blox:
  4757.  
  4758. i'm not a dog :D [5:13:23 AM] VoxaDub: This is literally going to ruin minecraft, I really dont
  4759.  
  4760. want to start an argument but why would mojang ever think this would be a good idea? [5:13:24
  4761.  
  4762. AM] ngusox: "I like dicks in and around my mouth" -Erik [5:13:39 AM] bloxparadise_: sure you
  4763.  
  4764. may not be a dog but you're sure acting like one [5:13:55 AM | Edited 5:14:08 AM] danstoogood:
  4765.  
  4766. yeah as much as I think Hypixel, Mineplex, my server, others in this chat, etc will stop
  4767.  
  4768. [5:14:00 AM] Erik Broes: how are we ruining the game by enforcing/loosening the EULA? O.o
  4769.  
  4770. [5:14:20 AM] bloxparadise_: first your shitty uuid updates [5:14:25 AM] bloxparadise_: now this
  4771.  
  4772. bullshit? [5:14:25 AM | Edited 5:14:27 AM] danstoogood: you're going to have all the servers
  4773.  
  4774. that are causing you problems [5:14:28 AM] danstoogood: still causing you problems [5:14:30 AM
  4775.  
  4776. | Edited 5:14:31 AM] bloxparadise_: get your head outta your ass m8 [5:14:32 AM] VoxaDub:
  4777.  
  4778. Because servers are what made the game become what it is. [5:14:40 AM] VoxaDub: I cant see how
  4779.  
  4780. you wouldnt agree? [5:14:55 AM] 9gigsofram: the problem is as i brought up before [5:14:55 AM]
  4781.  
  4782. danstoogood: and you cannot take people to court over that [5:14:59 AM] bloxparadise_: yes
  4783.  
  4784. @VoxaDub im sure he knows that [5:14:59 AM] danstoogood: you're still going to get the emails
  4785.  
  4786. :P [5:15:00 AM | Edited 5:15:03 AM] Erik Broes: prepping for renames *after* 1.8 is something
  4787.  
  4788. bad? O.o [5:15:03 AM] 9gigsofram: people can completely ignore it [5:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: if
  4789.  
  4790. they have the knowhow and money [5:15:20 AM] VoxaDub: Blox, I cant imaging this is up to erik,
  4791.  
  4792. I may be wrong but he might not have a say. [5:15:25 AM] 9gigsofram: so large servers will get
  4793.  
  4794. larger [5:15:26 AM] 9gigsofram: generally that is only large servers [5:15:30 AM] 9gigsofram:
  4795.  
  4796. and smaller ones smaller [5:15:56 AM] VoxaDub: I understand mojang obviously wants to make more
  4797.  
  4798. money, its understandable, but by doing this it will ultimately kill their game. [5:15:58 AM]
  4799.  
  4800. danstoogood: 9gigs speaks the truth! [5:16:09 AM] danstoogood: and the large servers are not
  4801.  
  4802. causing Mojang any problems... [5:16:19 AM] Erik Broes: we'll give our lawyers some exercise
  4803.  
  4804. then in that scenario [5:16:23 AM | Edited 5:16:34 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs very true the large ones
  4805.  
  4806. that can survive will thrive the most. [5:16:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i honestly hope it does
  4807.  
  4808. [5:17:06 AM] VoxaDub: Wow, really sad to see that said to be honest. :/ [5:17:08 AM] Drew: So
  4809.  
  4810. silly :P [5:17:21 AM] VoxaDub: Mojang is turning themself into the bad guy now... [5:17:25 AM]
  4811.  
  4812. 9gigsofram: erik [5:17:27 AM] 9gigsofram: that will not work at all [5:17:28 AM] 9gigsofram:
  4813.  
  4814. lol [5:17:33 AM | Edited 5:17:34 AM] danstoogood: erik can we speak to some other Mojang
  4815.  
  4816. employees about this? [5:17:46 AM] bloxparadise_: erik I hope you lose your job, I hope some
  4817.  
  4818. hobo that has flammable piss pisses all over your shit, then you [5:17:50 AM] 9gigsofram: they
  4819.  
  4820. just need to be represented somwhere with lax copywrite laws [5:17:56 AM] danstoogood: because
  4821.  
  4822. I feel you are exagerating this issue, sort of bending it the way you want it to go [5:17:56
  4823.  
  4824. AM] 9gigsofram: like the private wow servers are [5:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: like who? :)
  4825.  
  4826. [5:18:02 AM] bloxparadise_: most arrogant person i've met up to now [5:18:11 AM] bloxparadise_:
  4827.  
  4828. mind getting other employees in here? [5:18:16 AM] 9gigsofram: itll work for midlevel and small
  4829.  
  4830. [5:18:18 AM] 9gigsofram: but not large [5:18:22 AM] VoxaDub: Well fuck no idea how I'm going to
  4831.  
  4832. pay for college now. [5:18:34 AM] danstoogood: I feel like you're turning us against Mojang in
  4833.  
  4834. general, and "twisting" their proposed plans [5:18:36 AM] 9gigsofram: and any lawsuit will take
  4835.  
  4836. years [5:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i hope @lelddos ddoses realms [5:18:44 AM] Drew: Imma go have
  4837.  
  4838. to work somewhere now and wont be able to dev anymore :) [5:18:49 AM] Drew: Guess this is what
  4839.  
  4840. erik wants [5:18:54 AM] 9gigsofram: i assume that is sarcasm voxa lol [5:19:03 AM] Drew: No
  4841.  
  4842. more people doing stuff for minecraft :D [5:19:04 AM] ngusox: lold [5:19:13 AM] Erik Broes:
  4843.  
  4844. blox: how on earth am I arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say? [5:19:18 AM]
  4845.  
  4846. VoxaDub: God I cant even imagine the havoc its going to create. [5:19:31 AM] 9gigsofram: he's
  4847.  
  4848. not arrogant :P [5:19:49 AM] 9gigsofram: just keep in mind once you do this you cannot take it
  4849.  
  4850. back [5:19:54 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:49:11 PM Erik Broes] blox: how on earth am I
  4851.  
  4852. arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say? No because you dont listen to anyone but
  4853.  
  4854. yourself [5:19:58 AM | Edited 5:20:01 AM] 9gigsofram: as you'd be increasing your liability if
  4855.  
  4856. you did [5:20:01 AM] bloxparadise_: no because you want to fuck this game up [5:20:18 AM]
  4857.  
  4858. danstoogood: I feel that Erik is stating what he wants, rather than what Mojang are discussing
  4859.  
  4860. [5:20:27 AM] danstoogood: if you don't mind me asking, what happened to your server? :P
  4861.  
  4862. [5:21:13 AM] Erik Broes: I've said a lot of times before that whatever i'm saying is *my*
  4863.  
  4864. opinion [5:21:46 AM] bloxparadise_: let me guess some hobo with flammable piss pissed on his
  4865.  
  4866. physical box [5:21:50 AM] VoxaDub: Erik had a server? :O [5:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: funny
  4867.  
  4868. that MC is still around then [5:22:06 AM] Erik Broes: oh wait, that is solely because of
  4869.  
  4870. servers right? [5:22:15 AM] xllgummybearxll: No offense, but I don't think anyone wants your
  4871.  
  4872. opinion. We want the truth [5:22:30 AM] Erik Broes: that is what i've also given [5:22:37 AM]
  4873.  
  4874. Erik Broes: you have more info than anyone on the planet [5:22:51 AM] bloxparadise_: Yeah and
  4875.  
  4876. being the dumbass you are, shutting down hypixel/big servers won't help [5:22:56 AM] VoxaDub:
  4877.  
  4878. @xllgummybearxll true that [5:22:57 AM | Edited 5:23:06 AM] danstoogood: I am seeing people
  4879.  
  4880. forgetting about the needless hours of time that go into Minecraft Servers, and assuming it's
  4881.  
  4882. free money [5:23:00 AM] danstoogood: because I am seeing two sides of the story here [5:23:39
  4883.  
  4884. AM] VoxaDub: Yeah exactly what dan said [5:23:47 AM] Erik Broes: how are we shutting down big
  4885.  
  4886. servers? [5:23:52 AM] VoxaDub: apparently it wasnt going to happen according to @Marc_IRL
  4887.  
  4888. [5:23:54 AM] Erik Broes: they just have to change their business a bit and will have a legal
  4889.  
  4890. way to conduct it after the discussed changes [5:24:22 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, why ask such silly
  4891.  
  4892. questions. [5:24:23 AM] bloxparadise_: "change their business" you mean remove it? [5:24:28 AM]
  4893.  
  4894. VoxaDub: How would you not be shutting down servers by doing that? [5:24:35 AM] Erik Broes: We
  4895.  
  4896. will tell the community when we're doing the change [5:24:42 AM] bloxparadise_: do you even
  4897.  
  4898. know what the hell hypixel runs on? [5:24:46 AM] Erik Broes: which is when we decide on what we
  4899.  
  4900. will change [5:24:48 AM] bloxparadise_: how much money it costs to maintain their structure?
  4901.  
  4902. [5:24:51 AM] bloxparadise_: obviously you don't [5:24:52 AM] danstoogood: so Erik, could we add
  4903.  
  4904. some other employees to discuss this? [5:24:55 AM] VoxaDub: @blox lol...... [5:24:56 AM]
  4905.  
  4906. xllgummybearxll: Servers need donations to keep them up. How can you keep a server up without
  4907.  
  4908. cash? It's not like anyone can run a 32 GB machine free of charge. [5:25:14 AM] bloxparadise_:
  4909.  
  4910. trust me, kids won't donate if they don't get perks [5:25:22 AM] bloxparadise_: agreed @dan
  4911.  
  4912. [5:25:51 AM] VoxaDub: Next step on mojangs agenda >> Remove multiplayer button >> Replace with
  4913.  
  4914. realms [5:26:20 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what do you think they'll say different? that you have
  4915.  
  4916. been not ignoring our EULA and that we didn't have a meeting to do changes? unless you get
  4917.  
  4918. Dinnerbone in here you will get even harsher views than I've presented sofar [5:26:42 AM]
  4919.  
  4920. VoxaDub: I dont know anyone that 'dontates to donate' anymore, its expected to receive
  4921.  
  4922. something for buying something on the server [5:26:47 AM] bloxparadise_: lool [5:27:00 AM] Erik
  4923.  
  4924. Broes: VoxaDub: I still don't get why realms keeps getting dragged into this discussion -- did
  4925.  
  4926. oyu see your numbers drop since realms is live? [5:27:11 AM] danstoogood: why not add him Erik?
  4927.  
  4928. :) [5:27:33 AM] bloxparadise_: Stop denying the question [5:27:35 AM] bloxparadise_: Add
  4929.  
  4930. another employee [5:27:48 AM] Erik Broes: Because he has no patience for most people here ;)
  4931.  
  4932. [5:27:54 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys [5:27:56 AM] aa2202aa2202: just chill [5:28:00 AM]
  4933.  
  4934. aa2202aa2202: and let them enforce this method [5:28:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: :) [5:28:06 AM] Erik
  4935.  
  4936. Broes: Amir: every decision always hurts everything and everyone, even us making a new version
  4937.  
  4938. … it's always panic [5:28:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Not a problem for most of us anyways [5:28:10
  4939.  
  4940. AM] xllgummybearxll: "Patience" [5:28:20 AM] bloxparadise_: He better get some patience then
  4941.  
  4942. -.- [5:28:23 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, no. The Point is that mojang wants more money and thats their
  4943.  
  4944. only other option as of now [5:28:56 AM] 9gigsofram: good point [5:29:05 AM] 9gigsofram: if
  4945.  
  4946. servers have less features [5:29:12 AM] 9gigsofram: realms will get more popular :P [5:29:33
  4947.  
  4948. AM] danstoogood: I think if everyone found about the real reason this is happening the rest of
  4949.  
  4950. the community would have a different opinon - don't you Erik? ;) [5:29:34 AM] Erik Broes:
  4951.  
  4952. VoxaDub: no, we made a system that filled a need people have -- it has nothing to do with any
  4953.  
  4954. other servers [5:29:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: If Mojang is just looking for money, there are so
  4955.  
  4956. many other routes unexplored. [5:30:04 AM] Erik Broes: we're not looking for money at all
  4957.  
  4958. [5:30:21 AM] VoxaDub: How, can you not say that all these new changes are ultimately to promote
  4959.  
  4960. realms? [5:30:27 AM] Erik Broes: we just dont want the game to turn into a pay-to-
  4961.  
  4962. win/microtransaction crapfest [5:30:27 AM] xllgummybearxll: mhm [5:30:50 AM] bloxparadise_:
  4963.  
  4964. then give us realms for free [5:31:16 AM] VoxaDub: If they're not looking for money why would
  4965.  
  4966. they care about servers making money then? [5:31:23 AM] danstoogood: not for free. [5:31:26 AM]
  4967.  
  4968. danstoogood: for the price it costs them. [5:31:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Why? [5:31:31 AM] Erik
  4969.  
  4970. Broes: Because realms is a super simple 'single-player-but-on-a-server-with-your-friends-
  4971.  
  4972. without-mods' experience for 'at most' 10 people pure vanilla [5:31:33 AM] danstoogood: surely
  4973.  
  4974. that'd be acceptable [5:31:34 AM] VoxaDub: And how convinent for it to come up right as realms
  4975.  
  4976. is starting out. [5:32:01 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: as i said before, i brought it up 7months
  4977.  
  4978. ago -- we have EULA changes in the pipeline for 7 months as well [5:32:03 AM] VoxaDub: Its been
  4979.  
  4980. pay2win since multiplayer was realeased.... [5:32:09 AM] Erik Broes: ones that are far more
  4981.  
  4982. drastic than the new ones [5:32:15 AM | Edited 5:32:19 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and that makes
  4983.  
  4984. it good how? [5:32:20 AM] bloxparadise_: yet it costs money [5:32:24 AM] VoxaDub: Ever since
  4985.  
  4986. servers started up with enjin store it has been [5:33:27 AM] VoxaDub: Ok but if mojang doesnt
  4987.  
  4988. care about money why are they worried about updating the EULA then? It was pay2win far before 7
  4989.  
  4990. months ago wouldnt you agree? [5:33:28 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:31 AM] Amir Omidi: <<< No one is
  4991.  
  4992. "forcing" players to pay.nobody is even forcing them to play for that matter [5:33:34 AM] Erik
  4993.  
  4994. Broes: Amir: no-one is forcing servers to ask for payments, we even have this EULA stating you
  4995.  
  4996. cannot do that [5:33:53 AM] VoxaDub: I never said pay2win was good, its just a part of servers
  4997.  
  4998. now its expected and accepted. [5:34:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: mineplex got 70 GBPS [5:34:22 AM]
  4999.  
  5000. aa2202aa2202: ddos [5:34:54 AM] VoxaDub: Well there are a few servers where you must donate to
  5001.  
  5002. play [5:35:11 AM] Erik Broes: voxadub: yeah and because of this 'now it is accepted and
  5003.  
  5004. expected' -- that exactly is what makes us change it [5:35:38 AM] 9gigsofram: it wasnt the
  5005.  
  5006. bandwidth that causd the problem [5:35:41 AM] 9gigsofram: but the content [5:35:52 AM]
  5007.  
  5008. 9gigsofram: was a ssyn flood [5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one threatened to ddos mojang
  5009.  
  5010. [5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: .? [5:36:46 AM] 9gigsofram: udp floods generally go unnoticed on
  5011.  
  5012. incapsula and alot of simular providers as they drop it [5:36:50 AM] 9gigsofram: since websites
  5013.  
  5014. and scuh dont need it [5:36:56 AM] Erik Broes: oh people have :P [5:36:58 AM] Erik Broes: lots
  5015.  
  5016. of time ;) [5:37:01 AM] 9gigsofram: [5:36 AM] Amir: <<< No-one threatened to ddos mojang .?
  5017.  
  5018. [5:37:02 AM] Erik Broes: (and they do) [5:37:06 AM] 9gigsofram: i suggested that it could
  5019.  
  5020. happen [5:37:10 AM] 9gigsofram: a while ago [5:37:10 AM] bloxparadise_: @Erik [5:37:11 AM]
  5021.  
  5022. bloxparadise_: http://store.gtamc.net/category/255227 [5:37:11 AM] bloxparadise_: xD [5:37:16
  5023.  
  5024. AM] bloxparadise_: i bet they made 100k off of kits alone lool [5:37:33 AM] 9gigsofram: but i
  5025.  
  5026. assume mojang takes the same attitude as me [5:37:40 AM] 9gigsofram: "i do not negotiate with
  5027.  
  5028. terrorists" [5:37:46 AM] bloxparadise_: why does that bother you [5:38:38 AM] Erik Broes:
  5029.  
  5030. Because it is $100k spent on items that belong to the users already; they have paid for them by
  5031.  
  5032. buying the game [5:38:52 AM] VoxaDub: Well I guess I better get my youtube going [5:39:04 AM]
  5033.  
  5034. calebmerridethbell: http://prntscr.com/3pdink any help? [5:39:11 AM] calebmerridethbell: Keeps
  5035.  
  5036. giving http://prntscr.com/3pdiee [5:39:14 AM] Erik Broes: you do not get to resell IP that
  5037.  
  5038. users already paid for [5:39:14 AM] bloxparadise_: they bought the game not extra items bro
  5039.  
  5040. [5:39:15 AM] Erik Broes: cannot be that hard to understand that [5:39:19 AM] ileetgamerx:
  5041.  
  5042. (facepalm) [5:39:22 AM] bloxparadise_: if I remove my donation system [5:39:27 AM]
  5043.  
  5044. bloxparadise_: I have a shop system [5:39:27 AM] bloxparadise_: with signs [5:39:41 AM]
  5045.  
  5046. bloxparadise_: isn't that the same thing? [5:39:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^^^^^^^ [5:39:50 AM]
  5047.  
  5048. aa2202aa2202: l0l [5:39:57 AM] aa2202aa2202: No seriously though [5:40:04 AM] aa2202aa2202:
  5049.  
  5050. just wait out and see how mojang enforces these changes [5:40:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: there
  5051.  
  5052. are no 'extra items' [5:40:32 AM] VoxaDub: But I thought the entire goal of minecraft was to
  5053.  
  5054. support development? And why would you take time to make awesome servers like that, that are
  5055.  
  5056. custom developed not to thicken your pocket? [5:41:02 AM] bloxparadise_: ^ [5:41:30 AM | Edited
  5057.  
  5058. 5:41:35 AM] VoxaDub: Theres not 'extra items' on donation stores? [5:41:58 AM] VoxaDub: Its all
  5059.  
  5060. stuff you can do just ingame essentially [5:41:58 AM] Erik Broes: huh? the goal of minecraft to
  5061.  
  5062. support development? that makes no sense [5:42:03 AM] VoxaDub: for the most part at least
  5063.  
  5064. [5:42:22 AM] bloxparadise_: neither does your stupid ass eula [5:42:35 AM] Reno Philibert |
  5065.  
  5066. MineDesign: Erik are you done talking yet [5:42:55 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Could we at
  5067.  
  5068. least have our final moments with server profits be peaceful [5:42:56 AM] 9gigsofram: is it
  5069.  
  5070. differant if they can earn the items ingame? [5:43:16 AM] Erik Broes: blox: feel free to grow
  5071.  
  5072. up :) [5:43:24 AM] bloxparadise_: lool [5:43:48 AM] VoxaDub: Sorry worded odd, meant to say
  5073.  
  5074. that a large part of minecraft was the development side of it, and mojang initially supporting
  5075.  
  5076. it such as mods and new server gamemodes and such and with the new enforced EULA's that wont be
  5077.  
  5078. nearly as much of a possibility [5:43:53 AM] bloxparadise_: im 15, not ready for that yet
  5079.  
  5080. [5:44:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys [5:44:19 AM] VoxaDub: @Reno yup, yup, yup.... [5:44:31 AM] Erik
  5081.  
  5082. Broes: blox: but you can read right? so you must be able to read the EULA? :D [5:44:46 AM] Erik
  5083.  
  5084. Broes: not will we ever [5:44:59 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we *never* supported mods of any
  5085.  
  5086. sorts [5:45:01 AM] VoxaDub: Well hopefully we at least get the summer :P [5:45:05 AM] Erik
  5087.  
  5088. Broes: and there are no 'new server game modes' -- people added minigames -- that's it [5:45:07
  5089.  
  5090. AM] bloxparadise_: yeh I can read it but it's still stupid as fuck [5:45:20 AM] VoxaDub: Erik
  5091.  
  5092. was it not encouraged though?.... [5:45:39 AM] Erik Broes: yeah i agree, its stupid as fuck
  5093.  
  5094. that eventhough the EULA says you cannot make money you start making money of it [5:45:41 AM]
  5095.  
  5096. ileetgamerx: The stupidity that I just read... (facepalm) [5:45:41 AM] VoxaDub: Thats like a
  5097.  
  5098. huge aspect of minecraft [5:45:50 AM] Erik Broes: i mean that is as stupid as spending the
  5099.  
  5100. money from a paypal 'donation' before the contestation period is over [5:45:54 AM] VoxaDub:
  5101.  
  5102. Mainly a large reason why it got so popular [5:46:07 AM | Edited 5:46:35 AM] Reno Philibert |
  5103.  
  5104. MineDesign: ONE MAJOR RULE The one major rule is that you must not distribute anything we‘ve
  5105.  
  5106. made. By “distribute anything we‘ve made” what we mean is “give copies of the game away, make
  5107.  
  5108. commercial use of, try to make money from, or let other people get access to our game and its
  5109.  
  5110. parts in a way that is unfair or unreasonable”. So the one major rule is that (unless we
  5111.  
  5112. specifically agree it – such as in brand and asset usage guidelines) you must not: - give
  5113.  
  5114. copies of our Game to anyone else; - make commercial use of anything we‘ve made; - try to make
  5115.  
  5116. money from anything we‘ve made; or - let other people get access to anything we‘ve made in a
  5117.  
  5118. way that is unfair or unreasonable. …and so that we are crystal clear, what we have made
  5119.  
  5120. includes, but is not limited to, the client or the server software for our Game. It also
  5121.  
  5122. includes modified versions of a Game, part of it or anything else we‘ve made. Otherwise we are
  5123.  
  5124. quite relaxed about what you do - in fact we really encourage you to do cool stuff - but just
  5125.  
  5126. don‘t do those things that we say you can‘t. [5:46:11 AM] wavemakerhse: erik what was that
  5127.  
  5128. whole modding panel at minecon about? [5:46:25 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we didn't not let you
  5129.  
  5130. do it as many other games did [5:46:35 AM] VoxaDub: Because it was one of the first games to be
  5131.  
  5132. truly open source for the most part that allowed freedom to the players to create it as they
  5133.  
  5134. wanted [5:46:37 AM] wavemakerhse: the community is what made minecraft minecraft. and the
  5135.  
  5136. community decided to innovate [5:46:41 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then mojang decides to kill it
  5137.  
  5138. [5:47:17 AM] 9gigsofram: erik [5:47:21 AM] Erik Broes: x_Height: about what modders do with the
  5139.  
  5140. game? doesn't mean we support it in any official capacity [5:47:28 AM] 9gigsofram: put the eula
  5141.  
  5142. change out after you put out the modding api [5:47:41 AM] 9gigsofram: (rofl) [5:47:41 AM]
  5143.  
  5144. wavemakerhse: and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just
  5145.  
  5146. because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell [5:47:46 AM] Erik
  5147.  
  5148. Broes: VoxaDub: we've never been opensource -- we haven't cracked down on people decompiling
  5149.  
  5150. the game and changing it -- the rules around this never have changed though [5:47:58 AM] Reno
  5151.  
  5152. Philibert | MineDesign: You know, the more I look at Mojang's logo, the more it looks like they
  5153.  
  5154. took the Apple logo and messed with it [5:48:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: so never? we're not
  5155.  
  5156. doing a modding api [5:48:08 AM] VoxaDub: Im really confused to be hones, you seem to be going
  5157.  
  5158. two sided on a lot of things. [5:48:18 AM] bloxparadise_: ^^^^^ [5:48:52 AM] VoxaDub: Erik: I
  5159.  
  5160. meant opensource in broader terms, more for modding and server plugin wise [5:48:56 AM]
  5161.  
  5162. ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] x_Height | Ethan: <<< and this is what we have created. Now if you want
  5163.  
  5164. to take that from us just because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant
  5165.  
  5166. as hell^^^^^^^ [5:49:38 AM | Edited 5:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:48 AM] Leet: <<< and this is
  5167.  
  5168. what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we have begun to make
  5169.  
  5170. more money than you. than your arrogant as hell^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [5:50:32 AM]
  5171.  
  5172. bloxparadise_: lies [5:50:35 AM] 9gigsofram: correct [5:50:50 AM] VoxaDub: I somewhat doubt
  5173.  
  5174. theres any server owners out there that have made more than mojang. [5:51:06 AM] VoxaDub: I
  5175.  
  5176. dont recall any server owner managing to make around 500mil or more off his/her server [5:51:27
  5177.  
  5178. AM] Erik Broes: Reno: its like a sewing machine :P [5:51:46 AM] Erik Broes: we dont make $500M
  5179.  
  5180. of our server either :P [5:52:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: I dont think any of us make 500 Million
  5181.  
  5182. [5:52:20 AM] nextinlinebro_: lol [5:52:24 AM] dillyg10: I do [5:52:26 AM] wavemakerhse:
  5183.  
  5184. voxadub, I was talking about everyone in general [5:52:39 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah I was referring to
  5185.  
  5186. game sales on all platforms [5:53:01 AM] bloxparadise_: ./eco reset hypixel [5:53:02 AM |
  5187.  
  5188. Edited 5:53:06 AM] bloxparadise_: happy? [5:53:23 AM] bloxparadise_: if I made 500 million I
  5189.  
  5190. wouldn't be here arguing [5:54:10 AM] wavemakerhse: XD\ [5:54:36 AM] VoxaDub: x_height, I still
  5191.  
  5192. highly doubt all servers pooled together it would be more than what mojang made [5:54:50 AM]
  5193.  
  5194. ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] Erik Broes: <<< 9gigsofram: so never? we're not doing a modding
  5195.  
  5196. api..What made you guys decide to not work on the mod api? [5:55:04 AM] bloxparadise_: doubt it
  5197.  
  5198. also [5:55:16 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and still any server making anything through sales is
  5199.  
  5200. wrong [5:55:21 AM] Erik Broes: which is almost every server :) [5:55:36 AM] Erik Broes: Leet:
  5201.  
  5202. plugin api? :P [5:55:57 AM] bloxparadise_: how is it wrong [5:56:00 AM] dillyg10: You know, I
  5203.  
  5204. think I agree with Erik in the new EULA [5:56:16 AM] wavemakerhse: how is it wrong? [5:56:21
  5205.  
  5206. AM] bloxparadise_: the fuck [5:56:36 AM] danstoogood: Erik [5:56:38 AM] VoxaDub: Without the
  5207.  
  5208. EULA though how is it 'wrong'? [5:56:41 AM] ileetgamerx: No, the mod api, that you talked about
  5209.  
  5210. here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTl3aWEvEA [5:56:42 AM] danstoogood: what happened to
  5211.  
  5212. your server? :O [5:56:46 AM] danstoogood: is it still out there? :O [5:56:50 AM] Erik Broes:
  5213.  
  5214. Dan: yes i think so -- havent been there for eons though [5:56:55 AM] Erik Broes: think it
  5215.  
  5216. shrunk a bit :) [5:57:27 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: i never talked about a mod api [5:57:32 AM]
  5217.  
  5218. dillyg10: Server owerns have gotten greedy [5:57:36 AM | Edited 5:57:45 AM] dillyg10: It's time
  5219.  
  5220. to make a change [5:58:03 AM | Edited 5:58:11 AM] wavemakerhse: Please respond to the question
  5221.  
  5222. erik. What is wrong with us making money off of minecraft [5:58:18 AM] Erik Broes: ^^ :D
  5223.  
  5224. [5:58:19 AM] VoxaDub: So has mojang? So hows it any different? [5:58:20 AM] bloxparadise_: HOW
  5225.  
  5226. [5:58:32 AM] bloxparadise_: how much did he pay you [5:58:47 AM] danstoogood: Erik could you
  5227.  
  5228. link us to the server? [5:58:54 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, looking at the back and forth here
  5229.  
  5230. [5:58:57 AM] danstoogood: or atleast provide us with the name? [5:59:03 AM] Erik Broes: how on
  5231.  
  5232. earth have we gotten greedy? [5:59:04 AM] dillyg10: No wonder he's taking away your profit
  5233.  
  5234. [5:59:10 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: tweakcraft.net iirc [5:59:13 AM] dillyg10: You all act like a
  5235.  
  5236. bunch of dicks to him [5:59:31 AM] VoxaDub: Dilly do you even run a server? [5:59:37 AM]
  5237.  
  5238. dillyg10: If THIS is what is representing the server owner community [5:59:45 AM] Drew: Erik
  5239.  
  5240. sounds like a 12yr old troll [5:59:47 AM] dillyg10: Then I can totally understand why Mojang
  5241.  
  5242. wants to do what it's doing [5:59:56 AM] bloxparadise_: hey we tried talking to him but he's
  5243.  
  5244. too busy learning swedish or whatever the fuck it was [6:00:15 AM] VoxaDub: How am I acting
  5245.  
  5246. like a dick? I'm having a civil argument. [6:00:23 AM] danstoogood: ouch Erik [6:00:28 AM]
  5247.  
  5248. dillyg10: I do Voxa [6:00:28 AM] danstoogood: your server offers VIP [6:00:28 AM] danstoogood:
  5249.  
  5250. http://www.tweakcraft.net/donate [6:00:43 AM] danstoogood: Access to the VIP forum Access to
  5251.  
  5252. the Survival world (without a separate request via forum) Participation in VIP meetings More
  5253.  
  5254. teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, / tpforward TNT arrows using / tnta
  5255.  
  5256. Sponges also work on lava [6:01:08 AM] VoxaDub: lol.... [6:01:38 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:00 AM]
  5257.  
  5258. Amir Omidi: <<< You're making money off of someone elses workI thoght someone building
  5259.  
  5260. something or someone making a plugin or a mod was their own work?.. [6:01:49 AM] danstoogood:
  5261.  
  5262. you call it a donation [6:01:55 AM] danstoogood: but I thought you were offering all of that
  5263.  
  5264. [6:02:02 AM] danstoogood: it's a purchase then, SURELY? [6:02:20 AM] danstoogood: THIS
  5265.  
  5266. HYPOCRISY IS INCREDIBLE [6:02:38 AM] bloxparadise_: this chat is giving me cancer [6:02:39 AM]
  5267.  
  5268. *** bloxparadise_ has left *** [6:02:53 AM] Erik Broes: dan that was different when I was still
  5269.  
  5270. involved; they'd also have to change [6:03:36 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: so they are not 'ingame' --
  5271.  
  5272. that is the part tha matters [6:03:49 AM] Erik Broes: you can sell whatever the fuck you want
  5273.  
  5274. -- but it has nothing to do with our game and shouldn;t be reflected in it [6:04:53 AM]
  5275.  
  5276. VoxaDub: Idea: Mojang makes the next mineplex makes 1mil per month everyones happy [6:05:10 AM
  5277.  
  5278. | Edited 6:05:54 AM] danstoogood: we are ripping people off - when Mojang is charging £8 a
  5279.  
  5280. month for a 20 slot server Erik accuses us of mispresenting information -
  5281.  
  5282. http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet a server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO
  5283.  
  5284. payment option for VIP that they call a donation, phaa we're using Mojang's "platform" to make
  5285.  
  5286. money which is apparently so different to them using oracles platform to make money all of
  5287.  
  5288. these changes Erik is stating is purely his opinion, and he's breaking the EULA himself (yes,
  5289.  
  5290. he's an employee too!?!?!) [6:05:20 AM] Erik Broes: no because its not about the money VoxaDub
  5291.  
  5292. [6:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: *WAS* an adminisrtator [6:05:52 AM] danstoogood: seems you're
  5293.  
  5294. still listed there [6:05:57 AM] VoxaDub: Worth a shot :P [6:05:58 AM] Erik Broes: i havent done
  5295.  
  5296. anything with that server since 6-7 months after Bukkit started orso [6:06:00 AM] danstoogood:
  5297.  
  5298. I thought the EULA was always like that? [6:06:04 AM] danstoogood: as you yourself said
  5299.  
  5300. [6:06:11 AM] Erik Broes: yes, listed because they are proud i was there once upon a time
  5301.  
  5302. [6:06:20 AM] Erik Broes: i have no rights at all, 'old furniture' it is :P [6:06:21 AM]
  5303.  
  5304. danstoogood: but Erik, the EULA has always been like that [6:06:32 AM] VoxaDub: Then how is it
  5305.  
  5306. up to date? Has 1.7 really been out that long? o.O [6:06:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: Are you going
  5307.  
  5308. to charge us to make single player worlds next? :P [6:07:38 AM] Erik Broes: Dan and 'back in my
  5309.  
  5310. time' we just had the donations open for 2 days and got enough money to fund the server for
  5311.  
  5312. another 9 months [6:07:59 AM] danstoogood: "After a fundraiser there by the various members put
  5313.  
  5314. together enough money to hire." [6:08:07 AM] danstoogood: seems you actually needed a
  5315.  
  5316. fundraiser [6:08:14 AM] danstoogood: and you still offered various pay to win perks [6:08:21
  5317.  
  5318. AM] danstoogood: including a private world - WOW [6:08:27 AM] Erik Broes: Gummy: we're not
  5319.  
  5320. charging for anything -- neither should you :P [6:08:58 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: I can repeat it
  5321.  
  5322. once more -- i *USED* to admin on that server a long long long time ago [6:09:12 AM]
  5323.  
  5324. 9gigsofram: erik you have an unfair advantage [6:09:17 AM] 9gigsofram: and that was a differant
  5325.  
  5326. time anyway :P [6:09:45 AM] *** VoxaDub added bloxparadise_ *** [6:09:55 AM] Erik Broes: Dan:
  5327.  
  5328. things were different back then -- though they'd still fall under the 'wrong' category; we gave
  5329.  
  5330. away yellow nicks for the people who donated [6:10:32 AM] danstoogood: [6:00 AM] Dan: <<<
  5331.  
  5332. Access to the VIP forum Access to the Survival world (without a separate request via forum)
  5333.  
  5334. Participation in VIP meetings More teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, /
  5335.  
  5336. tpforward TNT arrows using / tnta Sponges also work on lava [6:10:38 AM] danstoogood: you
  5337.  
  5338. literally sectioned off VIPs from the normal players [6:10:39 AM] ngusox: welcome back i missed
  5339.  
  5340. u [6:10:41 AM] danstoogood: now if that isn't pay to win [6:10:58 AM] ngusox:
  5341.  
  5342. http://putin2stronk.com/ [6:10:59 AM] Erik Broes: I'm actually quite ok with things like a
  5343.  
  5344. nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet in the lobby' -- however it's super hard to define
  5345.  
  5346. the grey area so its simpler to simply say no in general [6:11:11 AM] xllgummybearxll: Your not
  5347.  
  5348. charging for anything? You make others pay £8 a month like Dan said just for a 20 slot server
  5349.  
  5350. [6:11:18 AM] danstoogood: so you are ok with that? [6:11:19 AM] bloxparadise_: i got chemo
  5351.  
  5352. [6:11:24 AM] danstoogood: earlier you told me $5 for a color name was terrible [6:11:35 AM]
  5353.  
  5354. youaresohistory1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvU8fJCg834#t=62 [6:11:37 AM] Erik Broes:
  5355.  
  5356. Dan: i think it is -- and i'm not ok with that nor involved with that server for a long time :)
  5357.  
  5358. [6:12:12 AM] VoxaDub: so simple.... :/ [6:12:46 AM] danstoogood: [6:10 AM] Erik Broes: <<< I'm
  5359.  
  5360. actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet in the lobby'
  5361.  
  5362. [6:12:52 AM] danstoogood: but you think it is terrible [6:12:55 AM] danstoogood: OOOKKKK
  5363.  
  5364. [6:14:33 AM] ileetgamerx: Erik can you explain what you are and aren't ok with, if you
  5365.  
  5366. explained it before I missed it. [6:14:44 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: no, others think that, but it's
  5367.  
  5368. impossible to define the gray area [6:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: can't sell items, but can sell
  5369.  
  5370. perks [6:15:17 AM] 9gigsofram: that is less grey :P [6:15:17 AM] Erik Broes: Amir when our
  5371.  
  5372. client is involved so is the EULA [6:15:28 AM] 9gigsofram: perks come from pluigns / mods
  5373.  
  5374. generally [6:16:13 AM] bloxparadise_: what if I sold a block of stone, and that stone was named
  5375.  
  5376. "sexy block" [6:16:16 AM] bloxparadise_: it wouldn't be stone [6:16:19 AM] bloxparadise_: it'd
  5377.  
  5378. be sexy block :D [6:16:37 AM] 9gigsofram: i didnt agree to this eula while installing minecraft
  5379.  
  5380. :O [6:16:45 AM] ileetgamerx: So we cannot sell items from Minecraft, but we can sell a rank
  5381.  
  5382. that contains perks from our own plugins that we made? Example: Join full game servers for a
  5383.  
  5384. game plugin I made but NOT selling a diamond sword? [6:17:02 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:16 AM] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
  5385.  
  5386. bloxParadise_ | Public Skype: <<< what if I sold a block of stone, and that stone was named
  5387.  
  5388. "sexy block" it wouldn't be stone it'd be sexy block :DLOL [6:17:09 AM] bloxparadise_: no, erik
  5389.  
  5390. said he wants to stop all purchases [6:17:15 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: er on phone now so rather
  5391.  
  5392. not. But I short anything that doesn't change gameplay would be fine from my perspective.
  5393.  
  5394. [6:17:28 AM | Edited 6:17:33 AM] 9gigsofram: no he siad you cant sell anything [6:17:36 AM]
  5395.  
  5396. danstoogood: Erik, I get the feeling you're one of those people that wouldn't even accept a
  5397.  
  5398. voluntary donation for a beer [6:17:46 AM] danstoogood: and would rather donate it to charity
  5399.  
  5400. [6:17:56 AM] 9gigsofram: hmmm [6:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: I don't like beer, so no [6:18:05 AM]
  5401.  
  5402. xllgummybearxll: Kids don't have to donate. [6:18:09 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:17 AM] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ |
  5403.  
  5404. Public Skype: <<< no, erik said he wants to stop all purchases [6:11 AM] Erik Broes: <<< I'm
  5405.  
  5406. actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet in the lobby'
  5407.  
  5408. [6:18:19 AM] Erik Broes: Nah I don't do charity [6:18:25 AM] bloxparadise_: oh [6:18:33 AM]
  5409.  
  5410. ileetgamerx: [6:17 AM] Erik Broes: <<< Leet: er on phone now so rather not. But I short
  5411.  
  5412. anything that doesn't change gameplay would be fine from my perspective.What about hub perks,
  5413.  
  5414. such as flying, bypassing "Magic Clock" (Vanish players), etc? [6:18:36 AM] Erik Broes: I have
  5415.  
  5416. better ways to spend my money [6:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: so all we have to do is remove kits &
  5417.  
  5418. blocks [6:18:42 AM] bloxparadise_: you're confusing as shit [6:19:22 AM] bloxparadise_: im sure
  5419.  
  5420. players do to.. coughrealmscough [6:20:05 AM] Erik Broes: Blox: nothing has gone beyond the
  5421.  
  5422. meeting we had this morning. [6:20:25 AM] bloxparadise_: earlier you said you didn't want us to
  5423.  
  5424. even have purchases [6:20:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: See Erik, it's optional for people to donate.
  5425.  
  5426. They donate for perks and that is their option to buy them. You can't stop someone from making
  5427.  
  5428. a purchase on a server. [6:20:47 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: if you make a server that requires our
  5429.  
  5430. client to play on it you play by our rules [6:21:22 AM] Erik Broes: If you make your own server
  5431.  
  5432. and client... So your own game, you get to make your own rules. [6:21:41 AM] danstoogood: [6:04
  5433.  
  5434. AM] Dan: <<< we are ripping people off - when Mojang is charging £8 a month for a 20 slot
  5435.  
  5436. server Erik accuses us of mispresenting information - http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet
  5437.  
  5438. a server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO payment option for VIP that they call a
  5439.  
  5440. donation, phaa we're using Mojang's "platform" to make money which is apparently so different
  5441.  
  5442. to them using oracles platform to make money [6:21:43 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:19 AM] Leet: <<< What
  5443.  
  5444. about hub perks, such as flying, bypassing "Magic Clock" (Vanish players), etc? [6:21:46 AM]
  5445.  
  5446. danstoogood: just consider that [6:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Blox: that was the gist of the meeting
  5447.  
  5448. indeed [6:22:04 AM] bloxparadise_: your rules are shit tho bb [6:22:19 AM] danstoogood: js, if
  5449.  
  5450. this is ever taken to another level [6:22:24 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: no paying money for anything
  5451.  
  5452. ingame [6:22:25 AM] danstoogood: Erik has also broken the EULA [6:22:38 AM] danstoogood: ;)
  5453.  
  5454. [6:22:53 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: yup [6:23:05 AM] xllgummybearxll: I agree with Dan. You said you
  5455.  
  5456. weren't asking for money [6:23:08 AM] Erik Broes: Once upon a time I indeed [6:23:18 AM]
  5457.  
  5458. ileetgamerx: T________________________________T you just said a hub pet or a colored name was
  5459.  
  5460. ok [6:23:23 AM] bloxparadise_: realy? you said a colored name was ok [6:23:30 AM]
  5461.  
  5462. bloxparadise_: what the fuck are you on m8? [6:24:03 AM] danstoogood: so Erik can we discuss
  5463.  
  5464. this with another representative of Mojang? [6:24:07 AM] danstoogood: as you're only stating
  5465.  
  5466. your opinion [6:24:48 AM] dillyg10: I say [6:24:51 AM] dillyg10: New EULA [6:25:00 AM]
  5467.  
  5468. dillyg10: = [6:25:05 AM] dillyg10: Happier Minecraft [6:25:20 AM] Erik Broes: So would anyone
  5469.  
  5470. else until it is in the EULA [6:25:41 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:24 AM] Dan: <<< so Erik can we
  5471.  
  5472. discuss this with another representative of Mojang? as you're only stating your
  5473.  
  5474. opinionHopefully someone who knows what they're talking about and doesn't change their mind
  5475.  
  5476. every other message. [6:25:42 AM] Erik Broes: Mmm bedtime! [6:25:52 AM] bloxparadise_: ^
  5477.  
  5478. [6:26:39 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: I got an F on one of my practical assignments for my
  5479.  
  5480. Photography final [6:26:44 AM] danstoogood: ah [6:26:51 AM] danstoogood: seems Erik can't add
  5481.  
  5482. another member of staff [6:26:54 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Apparently bricks aren't
  5483.  
  5484. repetition [6:29:22 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: My English professor gave me a 0 on my
  5485.  
  5486. final, portfolio and oral presentation [6:29:32 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: wtf is wrong
  5487.  
  5488. with these peopel [6:33:11 AM] youaresohistory1: Is the war over? [6:35:17 AM]
  5489.  
  5490. youaresohistory1: http://i.imgur.com/GSNKcwD.png Add me if interested [6:37:09 AM | Removed
  5491.  
  5492. 6:38:59 AM] wavemakerhse: This message has been removed. [6:38:05 AM] VoxaDub: ^ [6:38:13 AM]
  5493.  
  5494. xllgummybearxll: Can we atleast be respectful [6:38:24 AM] bloxparadise_: no [6:38:56 AM]
  5495.  
  5496. youaresohistory1: THERE ARE NO RULES IN WAR. [6:39:07 AM] xllgummybearxll: Ok [6:39:12 AM]
  5497.  
  5498. wavemakerhse: sorry [6:39:16 AM] wavemakerhse: XD [6:39:23 AM] bloxparadise_: lolol [6:40:31
  5499.  
  5500. AM] youaresohistory1: Regardlesss, since you guys all think this guy is stubborn as fuck,
  5501.  
  5502. there's really no point trying to change his mind. Right? [6:41:25 AM] bloxparadise_: no
  5503.  
  5504. [6:41:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: It'd be amazing to get anther employee in here [6:42:15 AM]
  5505.  
  5506. bloxparadise_: ikr [6:42:43 AM] dillyg10: I agree [6:42:49 AM] dillyg10: OH DINNERBONE [6:42:53
  5507.  
  5508. AM] dillyg10: WE CALL UPON THE [6:42:59 AM] danstoogood: you guys do understand what Erik is
  5509.  
  5510. doing, right? :P [6:43:34 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:11:53 PM Gummy] It'd be amazing
  5511.  
  5512. to get anther employee in here That will never hapopened xD Grum does'nt want other mojangers
  5513.  
  5514. to see how badly he represents their company [6:43:42 AM] bloxparadise_: FUCK YOU [6:43:44 AM]
  5515.  
  5516. bloxparadise_: I DONT WANT DINNERBONE IN HERE [6:43:47 AM] VoxaDub: *KHA KHA* Dinnerbone
  5517.  
  5518. summoning call [6:44:16 AM] danstoogood: Marc_IRL said it himself, "People could have stayed
  5519.  
  5520. cool about it" whereas "the ones that are yelling and screaming about it are the ones that will
  5521.  
  5522. force some sort of a decision to be made" [6:44:29 AM] danstoogood: "Nothing has been changed,
  5523.  
  5524. nothing new has been enforced."
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  5533.  
  5534. [3/06/2014 3:20:45 PM] Erik Broes: http://store.woodycraft.net/category/69401 <-- makes me sad.
  5535.  
  5536. … http://store.woodycraft.net/category/102865 pay2win someone? … and really … *really* …
  5537.  
  5538. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/70774 [3/06/2014 3:21:51 PM] dillyg10: If only woody were
  5539.  
  5540. here xD [3/06/2014 3:22:08 PM] dillyg10: What the fuck [3/06/2014 3:22:24 PM] dillyg10: My
  5541.  
  5542. android just randomly updated [3/06/2014 3:22:26 PM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:50:44 AM
  5543.  
  5544. Erik Broes] http://store.woodycraft.net/category/69401 <-- makes me sad. …
  5545.  
  5546. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/102865 pay2win someone? … and really … *really* …
  5547.  
  5548. http://store.woodycraft.net/category/70774 Yet you gave him a panel at minecon (rofl)
  5549.  
  5550. [3/06/2014 3:22:29 PM] dillyg10: and now it looks nothing like it did 10 minutes ago [3/06/2014
  5551.  
  5552. 3:22:29 PM] dillyg10: fuck you LG [3/06/2014 3:22:47 PM] 9gigsofram: hmm [3/06/2014 3:22:50 PM]
  5553.  
  5554. Erik Broes: Drew: not sure how that is related? [3/06/2014 3:22:59 PM] 9gigsofram: most of
  5555.  
  5556. those perks are based on plugins [3/06/2014 3:23:24 PM] Drew: Anyways whats teh point of
  5557.  
  5558. bringing this up again [3/06/2014 3:23:30 PM] 9gigsofram: and yea we got over it [3/06/2014
  5559.  
  5560. 3:23:32 PM] Erik Broes: doesn't matter at all, based on plugins or not, you cannot make money
  5561.  
  5562. with Minecraft without our permission :) [3/06/2014 3:23:37 PM] Erik Broes: it truly is that
  5563.  
  5564. simple :) [3/06/2014 3:23:45 PM] Drew: Oh god here we go again [3/06/2014 3:24:03 PM] dillyg10:
  5565.  
  5566. 9gigs, let's save this discussion for the next moon ccle [3/06/2014 3:24:16 PM] dillyg10: Some
  5567.  
  5568. how I have managed to under sleep Erik [3/06/2014 3:24:18 PM] 9gigsofram: you cant get me in
  5569.  
  5570. united arab emirates :P [3/06/2014 3:24:20 PM] dillyg10: Which is scary [3/06/2014 3:24:21 PM]
  5571.  
  5572. publicpwner21: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 3:23 PM] Erik Broes: <<< doesn't matter at all, based on
  5573.  
  5574. plugins or not, you cannot make money with Minecraft without our permission it truly is that
  5575.  
  5576. simple :)Are you guys going to take down every server in existence then? Kill Minecraft's
  5577.  
  5578. multiplayer? [3/06/2014 3:24:31 PM] dillyg10: Omfg [3/06/2014 3:24:36 PM] publicpwner21:
  5579.  
  5580. Because there is literally not a single minecraft server that does not accept donations or
  5581.  
  5582. payments of any sort. [3/06/2014 3:24:56 PM] Erik Broes: donations are no problem, but only in
  5583.  
  5584. that purest sense, you get *NOTHING* back for a donation [3/06/2014 3:25:03 PM] dillyg10: HEY
  5585.  
  5586. ERIK! How bout that 1.8 update [3/06/2014 3:25:05 PM] Erik Broes: a warm and fuzzy feeling that
  5587.  
  5588. you helped :) [3/06/2014 3:25:05 PM] dillyg10: And all the cool stuff [3/06/2014 3:25:08 PM]
  5589.  
  5590. dillyg10: How's that going? [3/06/2014 3:25:17 PM] Erik Broes: dillgy10: you dont want 1.8 out
  5591.  
  5592. now hehe its really broken [3/06/2014 3:25:22 PM] Erik Broes: though ~40% less than yesterday
  5593.  
  5594. :P [3/06/2014 3:25:25 PM] publicpwner21: and how many ten year olds will actually give their
  5595.  
  5596. parent's money to someone without some sort of benefit to them? [3/06/2014 3:25:35 PM]
  5597.  
  5598. dillyg10: Lol I don't want 1.8 till after summer [3/06/2014 3:25:44 PM] dillyg10: Please let me
  5599.  
  5600. have a vacation xD. [3/06/2014 3:25:53 PM] Erik Broes: you'll get 1.7.10 first [3/06/2014
  5601.  
  5602. 3:26:03 PM] dillyg10: Is that seriously going to be a thing? [3/06/2014 3:26:07 PM] Erik Broes:
  5603.  
  5604. yes [3/06/2014 3:26:13 PM] dillyg10: That's hilarious [3/06/2014 3:26:17 PM] dillyg10: What's
  5605.  
  5606. going to be in .10 [3/06/2014 3:26:29 PM] Erik Broes: mostly stuff so we don't need a .11 for
  5607.  
  5608. realms >.> [3/06/2014 3:26:44 PM] dillyg10: Ah so mostly realms crap? [3/06/2014 3:26:53 PM]
  5609.  
  5610. Drew: Yay realms [3/06/2014 3:26:56 PM] Drew: The shit no one wants [3/06/2014 3:27:01 PM]
  5611.  
  5612. dillyg10: I like realms :( [3/06/2014 3:27:09 PM] Erik Broes: no-one seems to be more than
  5613.  
  5614. 25000 people though Drew [3/06/2014 3:27:29 PM] Drew: how many of those peopel actually play on
  5615.  
  5616. realms servers [3/06/2014 3:27:30 PM] dillyg10: Really, that many in the first month?
  5617.  
  5618. [3/06/2014 3:27:36 PM] Drew: because like me for example [3/06/2014 3:27:43 PM] Drew: Someone
  5619.  
  5620. added me but i've never played on it [3/06/2014 3:27:48 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: i think 2.1 on
  5621.  
  5622. average per server? [3/06/2014 3:28:07 PM] dillyg10: Wait, Erik are those people who have
  5623.  
  5624. played realms [3/06/2014 3:28:10 PM] Drew: I highly doubt that [3/06/2014 3:28:11 PM] dillyg10:
  5625.  
  5626. or bought a subscription? [3/06/2014 3:28:38 PM] Erik Broes: Drew: feel free to doubt --
  5627.  
  5628. dillyg10: both [3/06/2014 3:29:01 PM] dillyg10: *quick does math* [3/06/2014 3:29:07 PM] Haxtor
  5629.  
  5630. Moogle Kupo: has anyone ever been fired at mojang? [3/06/2014 3:29:12 PM] dillyg10: Good for
  5631.  
  5632. Mojang Erik :P [3/06/2014 3:29:12 PM] Erik Broes: no [3/06/2014 3:29:19 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5633.  
  5634. whynot? [3/06/2014 3:29:25 PM] 9gigsofram: i'll be sad to see it go :( [3/06/2014 3:29:30 PM]
  5635.  
  5636. Erik Broes: well not true, one person was let go [3/06/2014 3:29:49 PM] Erik Broes: two if
  5637.  
  5638. you'd count support as well [3/06/2014 3:30:40 PM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: we'll see how 'good'
  5639.  
  5640. retention is after the first 6 months -- we seem to be reaching our target audience at least
  5641.  
  5642. which is great [3/06/2014 3:31:07 PM] dillyg10: I think if it starts to slow down, you guys
  5643.  
  5644. should seriously considering having one-night-stand servers [3/06/2014 3:31:26 PM] dillyg10:
  5645.  
  5646. There really have been times where i've wanted a realm for probably about a day just to fuck
  5647.  
  5648. around with friends [3/06/2014 3:31:45 PM] Erik Broes: doing micro-transactions around realms
  5649.  
  5650. is not really interesting [3/06/2014 3:31:55 PM] 9gigsofram: just create a saved image on
  5651.  
  5652. digital ocean [3/06/2014 3:31:57 PM] dillyg10: Eh, profit wise it probably won't do well
  5653.  
  5654. [3/06/2014 3:32:05 PM | Edited 3:32:08 PM] 9gigsofram: and restore the backup to make a droplet
  5655.  
  5656. when you want to play [3/06/2014 3:32:11 PM] dillyg10: But, I mean it'll make users happy
  5657.  
  5658. [3/06/2014 3:32:14 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 2:02 AM, 9gigsofram wrote: > and restore the
  5659.  
  5660. backup to make a droplet when you want to play But... lazy [3/06/2014 3:32:24 PM] Erik Broes:
  5661.  
  5662. dillyg10: every transaction comes with 'more work' [3/06/2014 3:32:30 PM] dillyg10: mmm
  5663.  
  5664. [3/06/2014 3:32:33 PM] dillyg10: understood :P [3/06/2014 3:32:37 PM] 9gigsofram: i thought the
  5665.  
  5666. money didnt matter though :P [3/06/2014 3:32:54 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't but keeping support
  5667.  
  5668. free from '$1'-chargeback whines is :P [3/06/2014 3:32:56 PM] dillyg10: obviously I'm not
  5669.  
  5670. sitting at the table of neck beards deciding at Mojang, just a thought from the perspective of
  5671.  
  5672. dilly [3/06/2014 3:33:06 PM] 9gigsofram: yea that'd suck [3/06/2014 3:33:55 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  5673.  
  5674. Kupo: so is 3d printing minecraft related stuff agenst the tos? [3/06/2014 3:34:01 PM] Erik
  5675.  
  5676. Broes: depends what you print [3/06/2014 3:34:15 PM] Erik Broes: and at what volume [3/06/2014
  5677.  
  5678. 3:34:26 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: volume? [3/06/2014 3:34:31 PM] Erik Broes: how many of em?
  5679.  
  5680. [3/06/2014 3:34:39 PM] dillyg10: Yes, Erik if I make a jumbo size mine craft cup cake
  5681.  
  5682. [3/06/2014 3:34:46 PM] dillyg10: will I be violating your EULA or TOS? [3/06/2014 3:34:57 PM]
  5683.  
  5684. 9gigsofram: i'd assume personal use no [3/06/2014 3:34:57 PM] Erik Broes: that is fine, if you
  5685.  
  5686. sell them on ebay it is not :P [3/06/2014 3:34:59 PM] 9gigsofram: selling yes [3/06/2014
  5687.  
  5688. 3:35:00 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: like a customized pickaxe with the players name on it
  5689.  
  5690. [3/06/2014 3:35:23 PM] Erik Broes: Haxtor: our pickaxe? then you know the answer -- not allowed
  5691.  
  5692. [3/06/2014 3:35:26 PM] 9gigsofram: how about if i made a cad file for 3d printers [3/06/2014
  5693.  
  5694. 3:35:31 PM] 9gigsofram: and published it [3/06/2014 3:35:40 PM] Erik Broes: someone can just
  5695.  
  5696. print it at home [3/06/2014 3:35:40 PM] 9gigsofram: so people could download and print thier
  5697.  
  5698. own :P [3/06/2014 3:35:43 PM] publicpwner21: what if I make a voxel shaped cupcake? [3/06/2014
  5699.  
  5700. 3:35:50 PM] publicpwner21: will that be against minecraft's tos? [3/06/2014 3:35:52 PM] Erik
  5701.  
  5702. Broes: not sell it :P [3/06/2014 3:35:57 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: don't sell it ;) [3/06/2014
  5703.  
  5704. 3:36:02 PM] publicpwner21: or whatever rules you guys make [3/06/2014 3:36:13 PM]
  5705.  
  5706. publicpwner21: so you guys copyrighted voxel shaped objects? [3/06/2014 3:36:14 PM] dillyg10:
  5707.  
  5708. Hmm [3/06/2014 3:36:20 PM] dillyg10: Okay, here's a scenario [3/06/2014 3:36:26 PM | Removed
  5709.  
  5710. 3:40:36 PM] dillyg10: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 3:36:29 PM] 9gigsofram:
  5711.  
  5712. technically mojang doesnt own the concept of a voxel [3/06/2014 3:36:29 PM | Removed 3:40:38
  5713.  
  5714. PM] dillyg10: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 3:36:33 PM] dillyg10: Am I violating
  5715.  
  5716. your TOS? [3/06/2014 3:36:38 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: no? [3/06/2014 3:36:52 PM] Erik Broes:
  5717.  
  5718. Mason: as long as its not intersecting with the Minecraft domain, do whatever, when it is --
  5719.  
  5720. follow our branding rules [3/06/2014 3:36:55 PM] 9gigsofram: don't trap people mason :P
  5721.  
  5722. [3/06/2014 3:38:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: what about arduino based bluetooth watches that let
  5723.  
  5724. players see what time it is on your server player health, friends online list, weather, eco
  5725.  
  5726. bal? [3/06/2014 3:39:20 PM] publicpwner21: but you told me that I can't sell my voxel shaped
  5727.  
  5728. cupcakes, even though it might not have anything to do with minecraft, there aren't even any
  5729.  
  5730. cupcakes in minecraft. [3/06/2014 3:39:25 PM] Erik Broes: Haxtor: perfectly fine as long as you
  5731.  
  5732. do not plaster minecraft over it :P [3/06/2014 3:39:31 PM] Erik Broes: Mason: sigh -- yes that
  5733.  
  5734. was mistaken -- i misread it [3/06/2014 3:39:41 PM] Erik Broes: it's really simple, if you have
  5735.  
  5736. to ask the answer is no [3/06/2014 3:39:55 PM] Erik Broes: if the answer should be yes and you
  5737.  
  5738. still ask -- you are stupid [3/06/2014 3:40:14 PM] publicpwner21: okay. are we allowed to
  5739.  
  5740. plaster craftmine over it? [3/06/2014 3:40:17 PM] publicpwner21: aw okay. :C [3/06/2014 3:40:25
  5741.  
  5742. PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: The game that shal not be named Player stat watch :) [3/06/2014 3:41:09
  5743.  
  5744. PM] dillyg10: I'm curios why you guys don't go after those ridiculous apps on the app store
  5745.  
  5746. [3/06/2014 3:41:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: yeah [3/06/2014 3:41:25 PM] dillyg10: That are like
  5747.  
  5748. "Here is mine craft with guns, we use the exact same textures and mechanics" [3/06/2014 3:41:38
  5749.  
  5750. PM] publicpwner21: lol ikr [3/06/2014 3:41:38 PM] dillyg10: I mean I've seen a lot of them that
  5751.  
  5752. blatantly take your artwork [3/06/2014 3:41:44 PM] publicpwner21: there's literally hundreds of
  5753.  
  5754. minecraft remakes [3/06/2014 3:41:51 PM] publicpwner21: and they actually get millions of
  5755.  
  5756. downloads [3/06/2014 3:42:42 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: what baout not selling the items but
  5757.  
  5758. "gifting them" as pbs puts it. for large donations [3/06/2014 3:43:08 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5759.  
  5760. #spelluingsucksat2am [3/06/2014 3:49:27 PM] dillyg10: lol [3/06/2014 3:49:38 PM] dillyg10:
  5761.  
  5762. That's where we end the convo :) [3/06/2014 4:01:36 PM | Removed 4:03:05 PM] Harry: This
  5763.  
  5764. message has been removed. [3/06/2014 4:05:37 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: Haxtor Moogle Kupo gets
  5765.  
  5766. the reward for conversation killer [3/06/2014 4:08:46 PM] Tomographics: dam i missed the weekly
  5767.  
  5768. debate on Minecraft and donations. [3/06/2014 4:09:50 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: lets make it a
  5769.  
  5770. daily thing :D [3/06/2014 4:10:42 PM] Tomographics: No, lets just wait to see what Mojang does
  5771.  
  5772. first. [3/06/2014 4:11:21 PM] Harry: Whats the debate about? [3/06/2014 4:19:01 PM]
  5773.  
  5774. Tomographics: Server owners selling items ranks etc. [3/06/2014 4:26:54 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC
  5775.  
  5776. Founder]: Anyone here have the MinePlex code that was leaked? I'm interested in what's going
  5777.  
  5778. on. [3/06/2014 4:27:01 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: Or what's happened, rather. [3/06/2014
  5779.  
  5780. 4:27:09 PM] Erik Broes: mineplex code leaked? [3/06/2014 4:27:12 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]:
  5781.  
  5782. Yes. [3/06/2014 4:27:22 PM] Teo/Tice [CoveMC Founder]: I have some. [3/06/2014 4:27:24 PM]
  5783.  
  5784. Tomographics: Hacked and ddosed i think. [3/06/2014 4:27:38 PM] Tomographics:
  5785.  
  5786. http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/mineplex-plugins-leaked.20111/ [3/06/2014 4:27:55 PM] Teo/Tice
  5787.  
  5788. [CoveMC Founder]: Yeah. [3/06/2014 4:28:03 PM] Sox: and ddosed? (facepalm) [3/06/2014 4:28:08
  5789.  
  5790. PM] Sox: im sure they get ddosed every day [3/06/2014 4:28:20 PM] Drew: like [3/06/2014 4:28:22
  5791.  
  5792. PM] Drew: ddosed offline [3/06/2014 4:28:32 PM] Drew: https://twitter.com/lelddos [3/06/2014
  5793.  
  5794. 4:28:35 PM] Tomographics: ^ [3/06/2014 4:32:21 PM] Sox: such haker [3/06/2014 4:32:27 PM] Sox:
  5795.  
  5796. much w :O w [3/06/2014 4:32:58 PM] Erik Broes: http://putin2stronk.com/ [3/06/2014 4:33:21 PM]
  5797.  
  5798. Erik Broes: enjoy ;) [3/06/2014 4:35:45 PM] Tomographics: Hey Erik two weeks until
  5799.  
  5800. Mineapalooza! I hope your attending the non booked venue... [3/06/2014 4:36:26 PM] Erik Broes:
  5801.  
  5802. why would I attend anything that is not Minecon? ;D [3/06/2014 4:36:45 PM] Tomographics: haha.
  5803.  
  5804. Because you could attend something of an even higher quality. [3/06/2014 4:37:06 PM]
  5805.  
  5806. Tomographics: Wordpress websites, non booked venues and more. [3/06/2014 4:37:14 PM] Haxtor
  5807.  
  5808. Moogle Kupo: anyone got a download link of the plugins? [3/06/2014 4:37:31 PM] Erik Broes: i
  5809.  
  5810. just gave that Haxtor [3/06/2014 4:38:14 PM] Tomographics: Hey Erik, can i get permission to
  5811.  
  5812. sell Minecraft related stuff for my server? [3/06/2014 4:38:33 PM] Erik Broes: Tomo:
  5813.  
  5814. brands@mojang.com -- and the answer is likely no :P [3/06/2014 4:38:49 PM] Tomographics: haha.
  5815.  
  5816. They never respond to emails. :( [3/06/2014 4:41:43 PM] Erik Broes: quite some data from
  5817.  
  5818. mineplex [3/06/2014 4:42:12 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: erik you should sue them [3/06/2014 4:42:25
  5819.  
  5820. PM] Erik Broes: for what? [3/06/2014 4:42:43 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: violating tos :)
  5821.  
  5822. [3/06/2014 4:43:23 PM | Edited 4:43:45 PM] Mario: . [3/06/2014 4:43:27 PM] Erik Broes: aren't
  5823.  
  5824. they down? ;D [3/06/2014 4:45:20 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: hmm could that leaked data be used in
  5825.  
  5826. court? [3/06/2014 4:46:15 PM] Sox: i'll use u in court (worry) [3/06/2014 4:46:38 PM] Haxtor
  5827.  
  5828. Moogle Kupo: mojang v minepex [3/06/2014 4:46:44 PM] Mario: what part of the tos are they
  5829.  
  5830. violating [3/06/2014 4:46:48 PM] Sox: minepex :O! [3/06/2014 4:46:51 PM] Erik Broes: making
  5831.  
  5832. money of minecraft :P [3/06/2014 4:47:18 PM] Mario: well hell [3/06/2014 4:47:21 PM] Mario: sue
  5833.  
  5834. every server owner [3/06/2014 4:47:22 PM] Mario: ever [3/06/2014 4:47:33 PM] Sox: there are
  5835.  
  5836. lots of people violating your tos [3/06/2014 4:47:36 PM] Sox: how does that make you feel
  5837.  
  5838. [3/06/2014 4:47:44 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: naw just the big ones [3/06/2014 4:48:07 PM] Mario:
  5839.  
  5840. any server with a buycraft store ? [3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: naw just the ones
  5841.  
  5842. making a unholly profit off mojang [3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Mario: and no, i dont think you could
  5843.  
  5844. use any of that data in court [3/06/2014 4:49:50 PM] Mario: its all illegally obtained
  5845.  
  5846. [3/06/2014 4:50:09 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: not if it was by one of thier employees [3/06/2014
  5847.  
  5848. 4:50:31 PM] 9gigsofram: he feels mad enough to leak thier database dumps [3/06/2014 4:50:34 PM]
  5849.  
  5850. 9gigsofram: lol [3/06/2014 4:50:35 PM] Tomographics: Means they could probs take the youtubers
  5851.  
  5852. to court. [3/06/2014 4:51:04 PM | Edited 4:51:08 PM] Harry: Mineplex wants to take people to
  5853.  
  5854. court over their plugins? [3/06/2014 4:51:53 PM] Sox: i wouldnt doubt it, look how much they
  5855.  
  5856. make from their server [3/06/2014 4:52:03 PM] Mario: millions [3/06/2014 4:52:10 PM] Sox: its
  5857.  
  5858. not a hobby, its a fulltime job, they are making more than most people [3/06/2014 4:52:47 PM]
  5859.  
  5860. 9gigsofram: er i dont think they'd bother [3/06/2014 4:52:53 PM] 9gigsofram: would create to
  5861.  
  5862. much drama [3/06/2014 4:52:58 PM] Mario: ^ that [3/06/2014 4:53:03 PM] 9gigsofram: and they are
  5863.  
  5864. more interested in just geting everything fixed [3/06/2014 4:53:22 PM] 9gigsofram: other people
  5865.  
  5866. having thier plugins wont impact thier server that much [3/06/2014 4:53:32 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  5867.  
  5868. Kupo: mojang sueing mineplex would generate so much publicity [3/06/2014 4:53:42 PM] Sox: they
  5869.  
  5870. probably wont, but its not one of those little "you charged back im taking this to court"
  5871.  
  5872. moments where they obviously wont waste their time on it, its a lot bigger [3/06/2014 4:54:12
  5873.  
  5874. PM] 9gigsofram: well now mineplex has somthing to use against mojang [3/06/2014 4:54:15 PM |
  5875.  
  5876. Edited 4:54:33 PM] Harry: Wait, mojang wants to sue mineplex? [3/06/2014 4:54:20 PM]
  5877.  
  5878. 9gigsofram: even if it's small [3/06/2014 4:54:54 PM] 9gigsofram: erik leaked thier data :P
  5879.  
  5880. [3/06/2014 4:55:21 PM] Sox: wut [3/06/2014 4:55:38 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: better would be if
  5881.  
  5882. mojang blocked mineplexes auth to thier servers :D [3/06/2014 4:55:45 PM] Sox: :O [3/06/2014
  5883.  
  5884. 4:55:55 PM] 9gigsofram: then mineplex would become the largest cracked server :P [3/06/2014
  5885.  
  5886. 4:56:16 PM] Harry: Can anyone help me with some html? [3/06/2014 4:56:18 PM] 9gigsofram: or you
  5887.  
  5888. block auth for the wrong server [3/06/2014 4:56:21 PM] Mason // PixelPrison: no [3/06/2014
  5889.  
  5890. 4:56:23 PM] Harry: It is causing me too much pain [3/06/2014 4:56:24 PM] 9gigsofram: "if i
  5891.  
  5892. cannot have auth nobody can" [3/06/2014 4:56:25 PM] Tomographics: I thought there was already a
  5893.  
  5894. considerable amount of cracked servers [3/06/2014 4:56:27 PM] Mario: yeah whats up harry
  5895.  
  5896. [3/06/2014 4:56:40 PM] 9gigsofram: then boom 200gbit attack [3/06/2014 4:56:54 PM] Harry:
  5897.  
  5898. Mario, just sent you a request to keep it out of this chat [3/06/2014 4:59:04 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  5899.  
  5900. Kupo: how big is the mineplex_node.tar.gz? [3/06/2014 4:59:22 PM] 9gigsofram: maybe a few gb
  5901.  
  5902. [3/06/2014 4:59:25 PM] 9gigsofram: check the file size [3/06/2014 4:59:29 PM] Sox:
  5903.  
  5904. http://puu.sh/9cXwa/ddc5b69a50.png lel [3/06/2014 4:59:42 PM] Sox: still goin stronk [3/06/2014
  5905.  
  5906. 4:59:50 PM] Sox: 8.9GB now [3/06/2014 5:00:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 2558584914 bytes..
  5907.  
  5908. [3/06/2014 5:01:24 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: i wonder if they overflowed the index page lol
  5909.  
  5910. [3/06/2014 5:02:29 PM] Sox: 10GB man dis is big [3/06/2014 5:09:49 PM] Mario: Sox [3/06/2014
  5911.  
  5912. 5:09:56 PM] Mario: wget [3/06/2014 5:11:46 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5913.  
  5914. http://i.gyazo.com/bb246463776ca34d0e751c804b733086.png [3/06/2014 5:11:53 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  5915.  
  5916. Kupo: holly crap [3/06/2014 5:12:31 PM] 9gigsofram: #cloudflare [3/06/2014 5:13:20 PM] Sox: wat
  5917.  
  5918. [3/06/2014 5:13:22 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: ? [3/06/2014 5:13:46 PM] 9gigsofram: cloudflare is
  5919.  
  5920. probably caching the download [3/06/2014 5:14:09 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: want to send me a copy
  5921.  
  5922. 9gigs? [3/06/2014 5:14:18 PM] 9gigsofram: of cloudflare? [3/06/2014 5:14:33 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  5923.  
  5924. Kupo: no the plugins dump (cat) [3/06/2014 5:14:37 PM] 9gigsofram: i dont have it [3/06/2014
  5925.  
  5926. 5:14:56 PM] Sox: 6.2 MB/s - 15.4 GB [3/06/2014 5:15:51 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: it is about 19
  5927.  
  5928. gigs [3/06/2014 5:16:11 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: 19.1 [3/06/2014 5:16:42 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5929.  
  5930. @100mb/s [3/06/2014 5:16:45 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: :D [3/06/2014 5:17:08 PM] Haxtor Moogle
  5931.  
  5932. Kupo: O.o is this worlds too [3/06/2014 5:20:24 PM | Edited 5:21:01 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5933.  
  5934. (swear) [3/06/2014 5:21:04 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik, when you're around I want to thank you
  5935.  
  5936. for the WoW culture which will be emerging [3/06/2014 5:21:45 PM] 9gigsofram: personally this
  5937.  
  5938. wont change anything for me, i'll just be taking the cloudflare attitude [3/06/2014 5:22:13 PM
  5939.  
  5940. | Edited 5:22:28 PM] 9gigsofram: "i do not host the content so i am not responsible , report
  5941.  
  5942. has been forwarded to the destination host" [3/06/2014 5:23:05 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: someone
  5943.  
  5944. should make a torrent [3/06/2014 5:23:26 PM] Sox: 17.8GB it finished :D [3/06/2014 5:23:35 PM]
  5945.  
  5946. Max | Sraph LTD: I kinda want bullet proof ddos prot [3/06/2014 5:23:55 PM] 9gigsofram: well
  5947.  
  5948. cloudflare already does that [3/06/2014 5:24:07 PM] 9gigsofram: it's fairly easy to do with
  5949.  
  5950. antiddos since you dont host the content [3/06/2014 5:24:10 PM] 9gigsofram: you are only a pass
  5951.  
  5952. through [3/06/2014 5:24:39 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: what happens if the message gets lost?
  5953.  
  5954. [3/06/2014 5:24:43 PM] 9gigsofram: you'd still need a destination host that tolerates it, good
  5955.  
  5956. payment processing, and a company owner in uae [3/06/2014 5:24:55 PM] 9gigsofram: inorder to
  5957.  
  5958. cover my butt i'd actually need to forward the message :P [3/06/2014 5:25:06 PM] Max | Sraph
  5959.  
  5960. LTD: hahah [3/06/2014 5:25:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I can help with UAE [3/06/2014 5:35:17 PM]
  5961.  
  5962. Haxtor Moogle Kupo: sox mine finised at 19.1 gigs :/ [3/06/2014 5:35:39 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5963.  
  5964. 19141734400 bytes [3/06/2014 5:36:33 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: omg is it really 25585849141734400
  5965.  
  5966. bytes O.o [3/06/2014 5:37:28 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: sox your download valid? [3/06/2014
  5967.  
  5968. 5:39:59 PM | Edited 5:40:34 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Oh Erik, just a quick question hows the PR
  5969.  
  5970. team? I can just see: "Child sued for playing a computer game with friends" [3/06/2014 5:41:52
  5971.  
  5972. PM] Sox: ya [3/06/2014 5:41:58 PM] Sox: its all here [3/06/2014 5:42:18 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo:
  5973.  
  5974. whats yours size in bytes? [3/06/2014 5:46:30 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: is it Bytes bits
  5975.  
  5976. niggabytes bites ? [3/06/2014 5:47:17 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: niggabyte is how much you can fit
  5977.  
  5978. on a dvd [3/06/2014 5:48:27 PM] Haxtor Moogle Kupo: fuck me its 4am [3/06/2014 6:21:20 PM |
  5979.  
  5980. Edited 6:21:23 PM] ilucamc: Why is there a video called How to play MINEPLEX? [3/06/2014
  5981.  
  5982. 6:50:24 PM] Tomographics: Its a joke. Its pretty funny. [3/06/2014 9:04:23 PM | Removed 9:47:38
  5983.  
  5984. PM] dithrlos: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 9:21:00 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik didn't
  5985.  
  5986. like selling unbans (among other things) but I'm not sure he's thought it through. From my
  5987.  
  5988. perspective they aren't a profit center. They are easily under 1% of sales. But the challenge
  5989.  
  5990. is what do you do with a cheater that's spent a lot of money at your server? Do you really ban
  5991.  
  5992. them the first time they use a mini-map client without a way for them to get back? The charge
  5993.  
  5994. is designed to be a slap on the wrist that makes them want to not want to do it again.
  5995.  
  5996. [3/06/2014 9:24:56 PM] 9gigsofram: often they'll just buy a new minecraft account also
  5997.  
  5998. [3/06/2014 9:26:28 PM] WoodysGamertag: When we give out the "permaban" we also ban all the
  5999.  
  6000. accounts that shared IPs. It's actually pretty rare that somebody gets all three strikes. They
  6001.  
  6002. either stop cheating or they tone it down enough not to get caught. [3/06/2014 9:31:24 PM] Erik
  6003.  
  6004. Broes: We had a nice discussion at the office. Most likely we'll have a handful of points in
  6005.  
  6006. our new EULA and that should be enough to tame the bad stuff. [3/06/2014 9:32:23 PM] Max |
  6007.  
  6008. Sraph LTD: this will be interesting see happen [3/06/2014 9:32:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik has
  6009.  
  6010. mojang employed a PR department for this? so you still look like a loverly 7 year olds game
  6011.  
  6012. development company who is all nice? [3/06/2014 9:34:33 PM] WoodysGamertag: I'm not sure what
  6013.  
  6014. the "bad stuff" is. I assume selling in game items? [3/06/2014 9:35:27 PM] WoodysGamertag:
  6015.  
  6016. Unbans are more an act of kindness. The alternative is issuing the death penalty at the first
  6017.  
  6018. offense. [3/06/2014 9:36:26 PM] dithrlos: ^actually a fair way to look at things [3/06/2014
  6019.  
  6020. 9:36:37 PM] dithrlos: that's why using temp bans are also effective. [3/06/2014 9:38:37 PM]
  6021.  
  6022. WoodysGamertag: Yeah, there are some guys that I'd love to ban on the first offense but don't
  6023.  
  6024. because we try to make our "justice system" equal and fair to everybody. The only exception is
  6025.  
  6026. certain player to player interactions like IRL money scamming, racism, etc. [3/06/2014 9:46:34
  6027.  
  6028. PM] WoodysGamertag: Also, I saw Reno was angry because I pay my staff. That's actually
  6029.  
  6030. something I'm proud of. My father owned a small business and I worked there when I was young.
  6031.  
  6032. (the 90's). After I left I realized how generous his retirement plan was. When I asked him
  6033.  
  6034. about it he said, "Well, the firm does pretty well and I think it's important to share it with
  6035.  
  6036. the people that helped get it there." I could pocket a lot more than I do. I have fans that
  6037.  
  6038. would write code and build for free. I send money to guys that didn't ask for it and most of my
  6039.  
  6040. staff started off doing it for free. They just became too helpful for me to keep accepting
  6041.  
  6042. their work and not paying for it. They earned appreciation and money is how companies say,
  6043.  
  6044. "Thank you." Paying people isn't bad, it's the way a good business gives back. [3/06/2014
  6045.  
  6046. 9:48:52 PM] dithrlos: ^^^^ [3/06/2014 9:49:01 PM] dithrlos: the amount of correctness in that
  6047.  
  6048. statement. [3/06/2014 9:52:51 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, enough from me for now. Time to drive the
  6049.  
  6050. kids to school. [3/06/2014 9:53:54 PM] dithrlos: have fun! tell collin he's awesome and tell
  6051.  
  6052. hope to kick ass today XD [3/06/2014 10:02:31 PM] dillyg10: See Erik… and Woody does make a
  6053.  
  6054. great point. Minecraft provides a lively hood for some people. It's inspired thousands of young
  6055.  
  6056. developers, architects, business managers, and sysadmins alike. I honestly would have learned
  6057.  
  6058. NOTHING about the world I know today without Minecraft teaching me that. I'm 16 years old, and
  6059.  
  6060. I know more about programming than most 30 year old IT guys, and that's a blessing. The profit
  6061.  
  6062. is the icing on the cake, but it's the motive that drives us to say "hey, maybe instead of
  6063.  
  6064. fucking around on Diablo, let's work on something great." [3/06/2014 10:04:00 PM] Erik Broes:
  6065.  
  6066. It actually matters nothing if you build a business around this [3/06/2014 10:04:22 PM] Erik
  6067.  
  6068. Broes: You can build a business around anything that isn't allowed -- you are not allowed to
  6069.  
  6070. complain about it when someone stops you from doing so. [3/06/2014 10:04:38 PM] Jake /
  6071.  
  6072. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 10:04:53 PM] Erik Broes: You should also not run a
  6073.  
  6074. server for 'profits' -- it should be to offer a nice experience for the users on it [3/06/2014
  6075.  
  6076. 10:04:54 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: I'm not going to sit here and tell you you're
  6077.  
  6078. retarded or anything [3/06/2014 10:05:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: but please just
  6079.  
  6080. sit here and listen to this [3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just for a
  6081.  
  6082. moment. [3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Erik Broes: Except that you just did by still talking now
  6083.  
  6084. [3/06/2014 10:05:20 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't put words in my mouth.
  6085.  
  6086. [3/06/2014 10:05:36 PM] Erik Broes: Erm, you said it; its like saying: "I don't mean to offend
  6087.  
  6088. you but …." [3/06/2014 10:05:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: minecraft relies on it's
  6089.  
  6090. servers, and on youtubers. [3/06/2014 10:05:50 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't [3/06/2014 10:05:55
  6091.  
  6092. PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yes it does. [3/06/2014 10:05:58 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik
  6093.  
  6094. [3/06/2014 10:06:00 PM] Erik Broes: Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a day [3/06/2014 10:06:04
  6095.  
  6096. PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: k [3/06/2014 10:06:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  6097.  
  6098. you don't understand [3/06/2014 10:06:17 PM | Edited 10:06:25 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you know
  6099.  
  6100. full well, that sprarkelz and yogscast kicked off minecraft properly [3/06/2014 10:06:26 PM]
  6101.  
  6102. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it wouldn't HAVE that support without servers and youtube
  6103.  
  6104. [3/06/2014 10:06:27 PM] Erik Broes: no you don't understand that you cannot just 'say things'
  6105.  
  6106. and magically 'turn them into truths' without actually having facts to back it up [3/06/2014
  6107.  
  6108. 10:06:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: there are facts to back it up. [3/06/2014
  6109.  
  6110. 10:06:52 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I don't care enough to prove you wrong on that [3/06/2014
  6111.  
  6112. 10:06:53 PM] Erik Broes: Oh, you have numbers that we cannot obtain? let us know please.
  6113.  
  6114. [3/06/2014 10:06:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i've been in this business just as
  6115.  
  6116. long as you erik [3/06/2014 10:07:07 PM] Erik Broes: And that is where you go wrong [3/06/2014
  6117.  
  6118. 10:07:10 PM] Erik Broes: its not a business [3/06/2014 10:07:16 PM] Erik Broes: running servers
  6119.  
  6120. is *NOT* A BUSINESS* [3/06/2014 10:07:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: (facepalm)
  6121.  
  6122. [3/06/2014 10:07:29 PM] dillyg10: Erik, look my point is this. Minecraft server profitability
  6123.  
  6124. does more good than harm. [3/06/2014 10:07:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: that's not
  6125.  
  6126. what i was saying [3/06/2014 10:07:38 PM] Erik Broes: you *cannot* create your business around
  6127.  
  6128. something you are not allowed to make profit on -- well you can, but you'd be rather daft
  6129.  
  6130. [3/06/2014 10:07:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik [3/06/2014 10:07:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: out of
  6131.  
  6132. interest [3/06/2014 10:07:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: this is like arguing against
  6133.  
  6134. a brick wall. [3/06/2014 10:08:02 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is mojang prepared to attack EVERY
  6135.  
  6136. server which has a donation system? [3/06/2014 10:08:06 PM] Erik Broes: No [3/06/2014 10:08:12
  6137.  
  6138. PM] Erik Broes: Donations are allowed by our EULA [3/06/2014 10:08:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6139.  
  6140. /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 10:08:27 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: as you can't pick and chose who
  6141.  
  6142. to take down [3/06/2014 10:08:32 PM] Erik Broes: but we'll most likely hack down on the fact
  6143.  
  6144. that most people give 'perks' for donations -- which under almost all laws makes it a purchase
  6145.  
  6146. [3/06/2014 10:09:00 PM] dillyg10: Erik, people don't see the point of donating for a cause that
  6147.  
  6148. isn't a charity [3/06/2014 10:09:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you do realize that if
  6149.  
  6150. mojang starts hitting down these servers people won't stand for it. minecraft won't last for
  6151.  
  6152. more then 5 more months [3/06/2014 10:09:08 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik you know how many issues
  6153.  
  6154. blizzard had with this? [3/06/2014 10:09:11 PM] dillyg10: You're going to loose large
  6155.  
  6156. constructed servers like Hypixel [3/06/2014 10:09:15 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: when the did it with
  6157.  
  6158. WoW [3/06/2014 10:09:20 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: lol stop making these retarded wild accusations
  6159.  
  6160. [3/06/2014 10:09:34 PM] dillyg10: That retain such high player counts because they create
  6161.  
  6162. something that's full, beautiful and amazing and helps retain players into the game. [3/06/2014
  6163.  
  6164. 10:09:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 10:09:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  6165.  
  6166. Jake this is kinda wild :P [3/06/2014 10:09:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i'd like to
  6167.  
  6168. speak to your supervisor [3/06/2014 10:09:50 PM] Erik Broes: I don't see how having 10k people
  6169.  
  6170. is 'worth' anything [3/06/2014 10:09:59 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: trust me you dont hahaha
  6171.  
  6172. [3/06/2014 10:10:01 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Status? Ego? [3/06/2014 10:10:16 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  6173.  
  6174. Erik is Partick your supervisor on these matters? [3/06/2014 10:10:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6175.  
  6176. /ZionicGaming™: for misrepresenting mojang and verbally attacking an individual. [3/06/2014
  6177.  
  6178. 10:10:24 PM] Erik Broes: Max: no [3/06/2014 10:10:27 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  6179.  
  6180. http://gyazo.com/2a0055324fd1d8a39251b18de0d3a80d [3/06/2014 10:10:29 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  6181.  
  6182. actually does he still work at mojang as the business manager [3/06/2014 10:10:33 PM | Edited
  6183.  
  6184. 10:10:50 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is it work me skpying him? [3/06/2014 10:10:41 PM] Erik Broes:
  6185.  
  6186. I'm not verbally attacking anything :) [3/06/2014 10:10:54 PM] Erik Broes: also, i said your
  6187.  
  6188. accusations are retarded; not that *YOU* are retarded [3/06/2014 10:10:59 PM] Erik Broes: biiig
  6189.  
  6190. difference [3/06/2014 10:11:03 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: not very [3/06/2014
  6191.  
  6192. 10:11:07 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: be careful fine lines there :P [3/06/2014 10:11:19 PM] Erik
  6193.  
  6194. Broes: oh yes, i make sure not to cross those lines ;) [3/06/2014 10:11:21 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6195.  
  6196. /ZionicGaming™: if I represent those statements completely [3/06/2014 10:11:26 PM] Max | Sraph
  6197.  
  6198. LTD: Erik, is Patrick a good person to talk to about this? [3/06/2014 10:11:34 PM] Erik Broes:
  6199.  
  6200. Max: if you want to have a worse experience than me? nope :P [3/06/2014 10:11:39 PM] Jake /
  6201.  
  6202. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: whatever not worth continuing that [3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM] Jake /
  6203.  
  6204. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and erik [3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM | Edited 10:11:55 PM] Max | Sraph
  6205.  
  6206. LTD: will he have a thicker brick wall? [3/06/2014 10:11:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6207.  
  6208. /ZionicGaming™: can we get a better experience? [3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Erik Broes: Just for
  6209.  
  6210. funsies, both Nathan and I have a less extreme vision for the future than the rest of us here
  6211.  
  6212. if i were to go by the meeting we had this morning [3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Craig Egerton:
  6213.  
  6214. [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:05 PM] Erik Broes: <<< Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a daythink
  6215.  
  6216. about how many of those accounts log in to multiplayer, even on XBLA [3/06/2014 10:12:18 PM]
  6217.  
  6218. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or a direction to a new game that will support us? [3/06/2014
  6219.  
  6220. 10:12:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can I come visit? and listen in?:P [3/06/2014 10:12:30 PM]
  6221.  
  6222. Erik Broes: Max: you'll get the news 'asap' [3/06/2014 10:12:39 PM] Erik Broes: but hey, that's
  6223.  
  6224. what they said to me 7mths ago [3/06/2014 10:12:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik
  6225.  
  6226. [3/06/2014 10:12:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: tell us this [3/06/2014 10:12:51 PM]
  6227.  
  6228. Max | Sraph LTD: i've always known it was going to happen [3/06/2014 10:13:02 PM] Max | Sraph
  6229.  
  6230. LTD: well it's always been obvious [3/06/2014 10:13:12 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: are
  6231.  
  6232. we in a spot where we're going to have to pull our investments and leave? [3/06/2014 10:13:13
  6233.  
  6234. PM] Erik Broes: Keep in mind, nothing is changing -- we're just making it more clear what you
  6235.  
  6236. *can* and cannot do [3/06/2014 10:13:25 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: if you have done your investments
  6237.  
  6238. in a wrong thing, probably [3/06/2014 10:13:31 PM] Erik Broes: you can still make money, just
  6239.  
  6240. not the way you are doing it now [3/06/2014 10:13:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you CANNOT sell in
  6241.  
  6242. game perks basiclly [3/06/2014 10:13:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so selling builds
  6243.  
  6244. is illegal? [3/06/2014 10:13:47 PM] Erik Broes: we'll actually explicitly *LET* you make money
  6245.  
  6246. in what we discussed this morning [3/06/2014 10:13:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just
  6247.  
  6248. wondering [3/06/2014 10:14:14 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: am I getting the right idea there?
  6249.  
  6250. [3/06/2014 10:14:15 PM] Erik Broes: so in fact the new 'thing' is better than the old -- which
  6251.  
  6252. explicitly says you *CANNOT* make money [3/06/2014 10:14:34 PM] Erik Broes: Max: replace perks
  6253.  
  6254. with 'anything' [3/06/2014 10:14:40 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ok [3/06/2014 10:14:45 PM] Max | Sraph
  6255.  
  6256. LTD: that's fine by me [3/06/2014 10:14:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so basically
  6257.  
  6258. mc's done [3/06/2014 10:14:56 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: good to know [3/06/2014
  6259.  
  6260. 10:15:01 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: why? nothing changes? [3/06/2014 10:15:03 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  6261.  
  6262. I'll be changing my business model [3/06/2014 10:15:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: "buisness model"
  6263.  
  6264. [3/06/2014 10:15:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way of funding my server [3/06/2014 10:15:53 PM] Max |
  6265.  
  6266. Sraph LTD: anyway Erik, that has cleared up some issues [3/06/2014 10:15:59 PM] dillyg10: O_o
  6267.  
  6268. [3/06/2014 10:16:01 PM] Erik Broes: We'll give you a way to fund your server besides donations
  6269.  
  6270. -- or at least that is our idea sofar [3/06/2014 10:16:05 PM | Edited 10:16:12 PM] dillyg10:
  6271.  
  6272. What other way do you think of doing it? [3/06/2014 10:16:06 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ad system?
  6273.  
  6274. [3/06/2014 10:16:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way to stop people for making thousands and only a
  6275.  
  6276. little just enough to pay for servers [3/06/2014 10:16:55 PM] Erik Broes: meh I cannot go into
  6277.  
  6278. it more right now [3/06/2014 10:17:05 PM] Erik Broes: because nothing is actually decided upon
  6279.  
  6280. [3/06/2014 10:17:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha a :P referal links for realms [3/06/2014 10:17:11
  6281.  
  6282. PM] Erik Broes: and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context [3/06/2014 10:17:11 PM]
  6283.  
  6284. dillyg10: Understood :P [3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] dillyg10: Just keep us in the look when you can
  6285.  
  6286. Erik [3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 8:47 AM, Erik Broes
  6287.  
  6288. wrote: > and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context (heart) [3/06/2014 10:17:51 PM]
  6289.  
  6290. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't feed the trolls erik, don't feed the trolls. [3/06/2014
  6291.  
  6292. 10:17:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: rule number 1. [3/06/2014 10:17:56 PM] Max |
  6293.  
  6294. Sraph LTD: As long as it's opt in / out I Don't care [3/06/2014 10:18:13 PM] dillyg10: And also
  6295.  
  6296. keep in mind how many people here really love the game, and really love what we have the
  6297.  
  6298. oppruntunity to do with the game :). [3/06/2014 10:18:20 PM] Erik Broes: we're not going to be
  6299.  
  6300. trackign anything of this [3/06/2014 10:18:25 PM] Erik Broes: we are not interested in that
  6301.  
  6302. [3/06/2014 10:18:56 PM] Erik Broes: if you are on a server, your experience should be the same
  6303.  
  6304. as every other player [3/06/2014 10:18:57 PM] Erik Broes: we just do not want people to mix the
  6305.  
  6306. pools of 'paying people' and 'nonpaying people' [3/06/2014 10:19:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6307.  
  6308. /ZionicGaming™: it's not pay to win [3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Erik Broes: yes, but also no
  6309.  
  6310. 'showoff perks i bought' [3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: thats how
  6311.  
  6312. it's set [3/06/2014 10:19:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's pay to add accessory
  6313.  
  6314. [3/06/2014 10:19:29 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or to speed up [3/06/2014 10:19:33 PM]
  6315.  
  6316. Erik Broes: yes, not allowed [3/06/2014 10:19:48 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can you confirm or
  6317.  
  6318. deny my pm plz (heart) [3/06/2014 10:20:28 PM] Erik Broes: You would be able to charge for
  6319.  
  6320. access to your server [3/06/2014 10:20:34 PM] Erik Broes: and take donations [3/06/2014
  6321.  
  6322. 10:20:40 PM] Erik Broes: and that's it. [3/06/2014 10:21:24 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Pay2Play has
  6323.  
  6324. never worked ;) [3/06/2014 10:24:22 PM] Erik Broes: Then make donations work :) [3/06/2014
  6325.  
  6326. 10:24:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha :P [3/06/2014 10:32:19 PM] TATIMBLIN: Perhaps if more
  6327.  
  6328. servers did pay2play it would be more customary and easier accepted by players. I can see it
  6329.  
  6330. hard to do know since you'd be the only one most people would just find another server.
  6331.  
  6332. [3/06/2014 10:33:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: actually erik [3/06/2014 10:33:45 PM]
  6333.  
  6334. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it would be great if you would just use mine realms to us
  6335.  
  6336. [3/06/2014 10:33:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: make it so we can buy licenses to run
  6337.  
  6338. a server. [3/06/2014 10:34:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: then we can host how we wish
  6339.  
  6340. [3/06/2014 10:34:22 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and boom [3/06/2014 10:34:24 PM] Jake
  6341.  
  6342. / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you make money [3/06/2014 10:34:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6343.  
  6344. /ZionicGaming™: we make money [3/06/2014 10:34:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: all good
  6345.  
  6346. [3/06/2014 10:34:35 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it'll cut out the bad servers
  6347.  
  6348. [3/06/2014 10:34:41 PM] dillyg10: Hey, dithrolos [3/06/2014 10:34:45 PM] dillyg10: Discussion
  6349.  
  6350. isover [3/06/2014 10:34:51 PM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds [3/06/2014
  6351.  
  6352. 10:34:53 PM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens [3/06/2014 10:34:54 PM] dillyg10: move on
  6353.  
  6354. [3/06/2014 10:37:18 PM] || Moses ||: Wait Erik, so donations wont be allowed anymore?
  6355.  
  6356. [3/06/2014 10:37:37 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 9:06 AM, shadow_moses54 wrote: > Wait Erik, so
  6357.  
  6358. donations wont be allowed anymore? (facepalm) Read. [3/06/2014 10:37:42 PM] dillyg10: On
  6359.  
  6360. 6/3/14, at 8:53 AM, Erik Broes wrote: > Then make donations work :) [3/06/2014 10:37:50 PM] ||
  6361.  
  6362. Moses ||: Its over 500 msgs.. .-. [3/06/2014 10:38:05 PM] dillyg10: Then spend over 2 second
  6363.  
  6364. reading through them [3/06/2014 10:38:23 PM] TATIMBLIN: ^^jake brings up the biggest issue I
  6365.  
  6366. see with servers. When someone quickly makes a server and has enough money to pay the first
  6367.  
  6368. month thinking donations will cover the rest. Then a few donations come in for "lifetime"
  6369.  
  6370. ranks. But not enough and they close the server and keep the money. [3/06/2014 10:39:04 PM]
  6371.  
  6372. dillyg10: [6/3/14 9:03:44 AM] dillyg10: Hey, TATIMBLIN [6/3/14 9:03:48 AM] dillyg10: Discussion
  6373.  
  6374. isover [6/3/14 9:03:54 AM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds [6/3/14 9:03:56
  6375.  
  6376. AM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens [6/3/14 9:03:57 AM] dillyg10: move on [3/06/2014 10:39:40
  6377.  
  6378. PM] TATIMBLIN: Ooook [3/06/2014 10:56:53 PM | Removed 11:22:11 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6379.  
  6380. /ZionicGaming™: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 10:57:10 PM | Removed 11:22:15 PM]
  6381.  
  6382. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014 10:57:13 PM |
  6383.  
  6384. Removed 11:22:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: This message has been removed. [3/06/2014
  6385.  
  6386. 11:02:47 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik: You're suggesting a model where the players have no
  6387.  
  6388. incentive to donate. That would be the death of servers. I don't understand how you can't see
  6389.  
  6390. that these servers help mojang. [3/06/2014 11:03:06 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, it's not the way
  6391.  
  6392. you like to play but why would you take away what other people want? [3/06/2014 11:04:17 PM]
  6393.  
  6394. WoodysGamertag: The world is filled with factions players that love what we do. It's filled
  6395.  
  6396. with mini-game players that love what Hypixel does. All of them buy minecraft because of it.
  6397.  
  6398. [3/06/2014 11:04:54 PM] WoodysGamertag: But now I hear, "Sorry, I don't like the player
  6399.  
  6400. experience on your server. I'm going to end it." Why? I have sastified customers. [3/06/2014
  6401.  
  6402. 11:05:56 PM] WoodysGamertag: I have guys that play every waking moment and have enough faith in
  6403.  
  6404. my team that the moment we tease something new they are chomping at the bit to get more details
  6405.  
  6406. about it. It's a thriving server with a faithful community. There are no victims here.
  6407.  
  6408. [3/06/2014 11:07:13 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: again with the good point woody, i
  6409.  
  6410. mean it's a situation where if it's not broken, why fix it. [3/06/2014 11:35:55 PM] Erik Broes:
  6411.  
  6412. WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donate? [3/06/2014
  6413.  
  6414. 11:36:28 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: it is broken, so we're going to be fixing it [3/06/2014 11:36:50
  6415.  
  6416. PM] Erik Broes: And you sortof have to thank yourselves for not following the rules in the
  6417.  
  6418. first place and having it become more and more broken [3/06/2014 11:37:43 PM] Iphonetips1
  6419.  
  6420. "SaiCoGaming": Can i ask, what if you view on the server situation, and why (if its been in
  6421.  
  6422. your terms) do you take action now? [3/06/2014 11:39:22 PM] Erik Broes: My personal view? its
  6423.  
  6424. hard to create a proper line between acceptable and non-acceptable microtransactions [3/06/2014
  6425.  
  6426. 11:39:53 PM] Erik Broes: anything that changes gamebalance in any way or temps by either
  6427.  
  6428. peerpresure or simple greed to extract money from people is a huge no-no for me [3/06/2014
  6429.  
  6430. 11:39:58 PM] Drew: I can't wait to see minecraft die because Erik's retarded expectations
  6431.  
  6432. [3/06/2014 11:40:09 PM] Erik Broes: This is less extreme than the planned changes [3/06/2014
  6433.  
  6434. 11:40:55 PM] Drew: I really don't think mojang would like the fact that one of their employees
  6435.  
  6436. is in a chat flamming and arguing with mowing customers [3/06/2014 11:41:04 PM] Drew: Mojang*
  6437.  
  6438. [3/06/2014 11:41:21 PM] Drew: I for one will not be buying anything else mojang [3/06/2014
  6439.  
  6440. 11:41:30 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: ^ [3/06/2014 11:42:00 PM] craig-egerton:
  6441.  
  6442. [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes: <<< WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server
  6443.  
  6444. around' not a good enough reason to donate?most people dont realise what they have till its
  6445.  
  6446. gone [3/06/2014 11:42:01 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik [3/06/2014 11:42:18 PM]
  6447.  
  6448. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": honestly i don't see minecraft dieing, even if mojang changes
  6449.  
  6450. things, i would assume people would work around the system, and/or work with the system, but if
  6451.  
  6452. they have it in the terms at the moment and yet nothing had happened, i still don't see why
  6453.  
  6454. they are changing it now? [3/06/2014 11:43:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so grum
  6455.  
  6456. [3/06/2014 11:43:20 PM] WoodysGamertag: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes: <<< how is
  6457.  
  6458. 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donateIt's just not. I like wikipedia
  6459.  
  6460. but I've never donated. Have you? It's just kind of somebody else's responsibilty. People won't
  6461.  
  6462. support the server if they get nothing in return other than having it around. I suspect that
  6463.  
  6464. deep down you know that too. [3/06/2014 11:43:21 PM] Drew: I used to like mojang but Erik made
  6465.  
  6466. me realize they are not a good company [3/06/2014 11:43:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™:
  6467.  
  6468. remember that mod api you were supposed to do 2 years ago? [3/06/2014 11:43:30 PM] Jake /
  6469.  
  6470. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yeah hows that coming. [3/06/2014 11:44:36 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6471.  
  6472. /ZionicGaming™: oh and grum [3/06/2014 11:44:44 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just
  6473.  
  6474. remember what got you started. [3/06/2014 11:44:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: bukkit
  6475.  
  6476. [3/06/2014 11:44:58 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: which wouldn't have happened without
  6477.  
  6478. these larger servers. [3/06/2014 11:45:16 PM] WoodysGamertag: People look at the price of a
  6479.  
  6480. rank and say, "OMG, it's horrible. How can they charge that?" It's optional. You can play at
  6481.  
  6482. WoodyCraft for free. It's just time consuming to mine diamonds and enchant armor. I've never
  6483.  
  6484. said, "OMG, my son has hundreds of dollars of minecraft stuff animals. How can they charge
  6485.  
  6486. that?" It was optional, I don't blame you for charging $40 for a toy. I could have decided not
  6487.  
  6488. to buy it. Instead, my son is a happy customer who sleeps with creepers and enderman.
  6489.  
  6490. [3/06/2014 11:45:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so why, you of ALL people, are you
  6491.  
  6492. attacking people who helped you get started. [3/06/2014 11:45:46 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™
  6493.  
  6494. /ZionicGaming™: especially when these server provide content for youtubers, who bring in all of
  6495.  
  6496. your players. [3/06/2014 11:45:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's just ridiculous.
  6497.  
  6498. [3/06/2014 11:49:18 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: also [3/06/2014 11:49:36 PM] Jake /
  6499.  
  6500. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: why the fuck would you attack your biggest supporters for events like
  6501.  
  6502. minecon [3/06/2014 11:49:48 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: one booth alone has sold for
  6503.  
  6504. 30 grand in the past. [3/06/2014 11:50:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: what makes that
  6505.  
  6506. kind of a loss worth it for a $13 a month server host. [3/06/2014 11:50:47 PM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  6507.  
  6508. Oh a more happy note: http://gyazo.com/f26dd75501491a26ae83730a43a58f4e [3/06/2014 11:50:53 PM]
  6509.  
  6510. Max | Sraph LTD: just got that tweet from a sticker company :$ [3/06/2014 11:51:10 PM] Jake /
  6511.  
  6512. Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: lol [3/06/2014 11:51:12 PM] Drew: Really the only people these plans
  6513.  
  6514. will hurt is the honest servers, the bad servers won't give two fucks and continue doing bad
  6515.  
  6516. stuff [3/06/2014 11:51:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yup. [3/06/2014 11:51:43 PM]
  6517.  
  6518. Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i mean most big servers wouldn't mind giving a license fee to
  6519.  
  6520. mojang too. [3/06/2014 11:52:49 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: nobodey would [3/06/2014 11:54:17 PM]
  6521.  
  6522. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": well, if that cuts out the servers that just join to make money,
  6523.  
  6524. like with $500 ranks... (usually smaller servers) [3/06/2014 11:56:53 PM] Erik Broes: On
  6525.  
  6526. 03/06/2014, at 16:13, Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™ wrote: > remember that mod api you were
  6527.  
  6528. supposed to do 2 years ago? Which one? [3/06/2014 11:57:36 PM] Erik Broes: I've never ever said
  6529.  
  6530. anything ever about doing a mod api :( [3/06/2014 11:58:12 PM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:27 AM,
  6531.  
  6532. Erik Broes wrote: > I've never ever said anything ever about doing a mod api :( But mojang did,
  6533.  
  6534. whether you like it or not that's what they called it [3/06/2014 11:58:51 PM] Erik Broes: Not
  6535.  
  6536. sure how that matters? :) [3/06/2014 11:59:12 PM] Erik Broes: Notch also said we'd have a
  6537.  
  6538. 'license for the api that would cost money' [3/06/2014 11:59:41 PM] Erik Broes: As long as the
  6539.  
  6540. people that scream things are not actually working on those things, I'd just ignore them if I
  6541.  
  6542. were you :) [12:00:00 AM] Drew: It matters you know what's he's talking about you don't need to
  6543.  
  6544. be an ass about it [12:00:43 AM] Erik Broes: I don't see how you can justify breaking the EULA
  6545.  
  6546. in any way [12:00:48 AM] Erik Broes: it just feels a bit stupid :D [12:01:25 AM] Erik Broes:
  6547.  
  6548. It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is not right and
  6549.  
  6550. still you do it [12:01:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: Grum [12:02:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: you guys can't
  6551.  
  6552. enforce this [12:03:01 AM] Erik Broes: We actually can [12:03:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: how?
  6553.  
  6554. [12:03:36 AM] Drew: Its really quite easy [12:03:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: There is many ways around
  6555.  
  6556. it [12:04:00 AM] Erik Broes: We'll ask nicely and then send really mean lawyers :) [12:04:06
  6557.  
  6558. AM] aa2202aa2202: aure [12:04:08 AM] aa2202aa2202: sure [12:04:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: go track
  6559.  
  6560. down every server [12:04:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": how are you going to enforce this to
  6561.  
  6562. all the servers lol [12:04:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: Also I will have a thing saying that the
  6563.  
  6564. purchases are not related [12:04:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: to mojang [12:04:42 AM] aa2202aa2202:
  6565.  
  6566. Mojang fucks up their game [12:04:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": no offence but that will
  6567.  
  6568. give a bad name to mojang, and also will waste a hell of a lot of money [12:04:55 AM] Erik
  6569.  
  6570. Broes: If they are not related to mojang you won't see them ingame :) [12:05:21 AM]
  6571.  
  6572. aa2202aa2202: Il sell a code [12:05:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: then people with that code [12:05:29
  6573.  
  6574. AM] aa2202aa2202: get rewards [12:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: not really, as a gaming company
  6575.  
  6576. defending your own IP is not 'weird', especially if you have very tolerant rules on how people
  6577.  
  6578. *can* make money with your game [12:06:07 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": not to put the fact
  6579.  
  6580. that you will be going after a majority of underage kids who want to play the game with there
  6581.  
  6582. friends and give people who want to help pay for the server, by giving them in game stuff, a
  6583.  
  6584. knock on the door [12:06:07 AM] publicpwner21: could we get someone working on a minecraft rip?
  6585.  
  6586. so that after all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with.
  6587.  
  6588. [12:06:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^ [12:06:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will eventually die
  6589.  
  6590. [12:06:31 AM] Erik Broes: we're not going after the kids [12:06:34 AM] Erik Broes: obviously
  6591.  
  6592. not :) [12:06:52 AM] Erik Broes: Mason: and we'd take down that without sending a nice letter
  6593.  
  6594. ;) [12:07:06 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": but thats what it is, i can name hundreds of server
  6595.  
  6596. that make money and they are run by underage kids [12:07:11 AM] Erik Broes: I truly do not see
  6597.  
  6598. what you guys have so much problems with? [12:07:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: You clearly don't know a
  6599.  
  6600. lot [12:07:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: about the community [12:07:43 AM] Drew: He clearly knows
  6601.  
  6602. nothing about anything [12:07:49 AM] publicpwner21: [12:06 AM] Erik Broes: <<< Mason: and we'd
  6603.  
  6604. take down that without sending a nice letter ;)did you send a letter to cube world? [12:07:52
  6605.  
  6606. AM] WoodysGamertag: I feel like these threats and attempts to catch Erik in some kind of logic
  6607.  
  6608. trap aren't productive. The fact is minecraft owns the IP and have the right to do what they
  6609.  
  6610. want with it. I just wish they saw it as a partnership like I do. [12:08:05 AM] Leet: [12:08
  6611.  
  6612. AM] Erik Broes: <<< I truly do not see what you guys have so much problems with?Because you're
  6613.  
  6614. talking to a bunch of people who make a living off of running servers. [12:08:06 AM] Erik
  6615.  
  6616. Broes: I've seen no threats at all? [12:08:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: [12:01 AM] Erik
  6617.  
  6618. Broes: <<< It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is
  6619.  
  6620. not right and still you do itOnly in that situation, it's possible that the person won't get
  6621.  
  6622. caught [12:08:26 AM] Erik Broes: Ah! Maybe that is the problem, servers are not to make a
  6623.  
  6624. living off at all [12:08:30 AM] Erik Broes: maybe you forgot to read our EULA [12:08:41 AM]
  6625.  
  6626. Erik Broes: Reno: and that is still the case [12:08:45 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:38 AM, Erik
  6627.  
  6628. Broes wrote: > maybe you forgot to read our EULA Maybe you forgot what makes your game what it
  6629.  
  6630. is [12:08:46 AM] WoodysGamertag: It's been a win/win. Servers like mine have extended the life
  6631.  
  6632. of minecraft and the players love the game more than they would if it was just survival.
  6633.  
  6634. [12:09:20 AM] Drew: Mojang just wants a bunch of survival clones now [12:09:26 AM] Drew: So the
  6635.  
  6636. game will just die [12:09:33 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^ [12:09:34 AM] Drew: No one will dev or create
  6637.  
  6638. for it anymore [12:09:46 AM] Erik Broes: Why would it be impossible to have a game-mode or a
  6639.  
  6640. minigame somewhere? [12:10:00 AM] WoodysGamertag: While I don't love the phrasing, Drew is on
  6641.  
  6642. to something. Servers have made minecraft more than it would be if it was only from mojang.
  6643.  
  6644. [12:10:01 AM] Erik Broes: Or is it only possible if there are big amounts of money involved?
  6645.  
  6646. [12:10:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one will spend 20 euro [12:10:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on survival
  6647.  
  6648. [12:10:18 AM] Drew: No one will have time to spent hours and hours creating stuff anymore
  6649.  
  6650. [12:10:39 AM] xerucide: Guize, guize, you'll never guess what I just saw [12:10:42 AM]
  6651.  
  6652. xerucide: A server [12:10:45 AM] xerucide: That has a paid... [12:10:53 AM] xerucide: DEV rank
  6653.  
  6654. [12:10:59 AM] Drew: I for one have spent the last year creating stuff only to find out now that
  6655.  
  6656. was all useless [12:11:25 AM] Erik Broes: Wait, so people do not create anything in their spare
  6657.  
  6658. time? [12:11:39 AM] Erik Broes: Isn't this how all your tools and even the game has been
  6659.  
  6660. created initially? :) [12:11:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Erik, do you think mojang will
  6661.  
  6662. plan to shut down all money making server schemes, or don't you think if that was the case to
  6663.  
  6664. try to salvage it and make it in to something you can work with? So it can benefit all of us?
  6665.  
  6666. [12:12:06 AM] Erik Broes: Plans sofar are that you will have a way to make money [12:12:06 AM]
  6667.  
  6668. Drew: I feel like the way mojang treats us we should just shut down and move one [12:12:21 AM]
  6669.  
  6670. Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:41 AM, Erik Broes wrote: > Wait, so people do not create anything in
  6671.  
  6672. their spare time? Its not spare time for a lot of us [12:12:24 AM] Erik Broes: which is
  6673.  
  6674. actualyl FAR better than it is now, as the EULA says you have no way to make money ;P [12:12:36
  6675.  
  6676. AM] Drew: Maybe a few people sure [12:12:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": and will it effect
  6677.  
  6678. the players gameplay on our servers? [12:13:32 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: maybe that is your mistake
  6679.  
  6680. then? [12:13:53 AM] Erik Broes: I mean, you just decided to only do things for money eventhough
  6681.  
  6682. there are no money flows allowed from the things you do this for? [12:13:56 AM] WoodysGamertag:
  6683.  
  6684. I spend all my waking hours working on my server. Honestly, it's about 18 hours a day 7 days a
  6685.  
  6686. week. I'm sure that servers like Hypixel have guys (or teams of guys) doing the same. If you
  6687.  
  6688. take away the profit motive then the pros will leave and only amateurs will be interested.
  6689.  
  6690. YouTube went through a similar change in reverse. When they started monetizing channels people
  6691.  
  6692. like CaptSparklez were born. The pros rolled in and made high effort videos. [12:14:09 AM] Erik
  6693.  
  6694. Broes: Seems like a simple thing you'd look at before you start on that [12:14:12 AM]
  6695.  
  6696. WoodysGamertag: It will hurt minecraft for sure. [12:14:15 AM] TATIMBLIN: I've been ready
  6697.  
  6698. through most of this and wanted chime in. It seems a great example to what kind of servers you
  6699.  
  6700. are trying to make is the planetminecraft server.
  6701.  
  6702. http://www.planetminecraft.com/server/planetminecraft-official-server/ [12:14:56 AM] Reno
  6703.  
  6704. Philibert | MineDesign: I think Erik's just a douchebag who should've been fired when he never
  6705.  
  6706. did what he was hired for [12:14:58 AM] TATIMBLIN: *reading [12:15:02 AM] Erik Broes: Why do
  6707.  
  6708. you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there is money
  6709.  
  6710. involved? [12:15:07 AM] Erik Broes: that is just sad :) [12:15:15 AM | Edited 12:15:16 AM] Erik
  6711.  
  6712. Broes: (and very greedy) [12:15:37 AM] Erik Broes: strange, I'm still doing that every day :/
  6713.  
  6714. [12:15:56 AM] Erik Broes: I never did what i was hired for? [12:15:59 AM] Iphonetips1
  6715.  
  6716. "SaiCoGaming": lol reno, i think thats a bit too far haha [12:16:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: No
  6717.  
  6718. [12:16:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: He did do his work [12:16:26 AM] xerucide: My god shit is going
  6719.  
  6720. down in this chat [12:16:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Working on the mod API? [12:16:30
  6721.  
  6722. AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Weird, we still don't have one [12:16:34 AM] Erik Broes: It's
  6723.  
  6724. retarded logic, if I wouldn't be doing the work I'd be hired for wouldn't I already be fired?
  6725.  
  6726. :) [12:16:36 AM] xerucide: And I'm over here fiddling with myself [12:16:40 AM] aa2202aa2202:
  6727.  
  6728. winter [12:16:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: Its not just the mod API [12:16:50 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: oh,
  6729.  
  6730. and the fact that you do not have one means we're not working on it? :) [12:17:03 AM] Reno
  6731.  
  6732. Philibert | MineDesign: [12:16 AM] Xeru: <<< And I'm over here fiddling with myselfWe don't
  6733.  
  6734. need to know you're masturbating [12:17:08 AM] Erik Broes: Do you even logic? :D [12:18:11 AM]
  6735.  
  6736. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": If you knew that server were breaking the EULA, then why give them a
  6737.  
  6738. panel at Minecon? That saying 'Hey look these are the guys that break our rules, and you should
  6739.  
  6740. listen to them as they help others break our rules!' [12:18:25 AM] Erik Broes: Nikolaous: I'll
  6741.  
  6742. bring an extra shirt :D [12:18:40 AM] Erik Broes: and why would you egg me? you are actually
  6743.  
  6744. getting a 'sortof heads up' -- be happy :) [12:18:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^ [12:18:59 AM]
  6745.  
  6746. TATIMBLIN: Erik: I think minecraft servers could have run without money, but capped at a max of
  6747.  
  6748. around 200 players. However since money has been introduced it would be hard to go back that
  6749.  
  6750. state. I'd also like to ask what you plan to do about leveling the playing field when people
  6751.  
  6752. already have ranks [12:19:19 AM] Erik Broes: So who broke the rules that we gave a panel? :/
  6753.  
  6754. (just curious, it doesn't actually matter obviously) [12:20:19 AM] Erik Broes: You can have
  6755.  
  6756. ranks obviously, you just cannot buy them with hard cash :) [12:20:30 AM] TATIMBLIN: It be hard
  6757.  
  6758. to take all of the paid ranks away from the millions of users, and if you let them keep it
  6759.  
  6760. would be even more unfair, due to now instead of paying to get equal opportunities ingame it is
  6761.  
  6762. just physically impossible [12:20:51 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Overcast Network, Hypixel,
  6763.  
  6764. Shotbow, they all answer questions about server, and even helped some kids get some donations
  6765.  
  6766. in to sell things with BuyCraft! [12:21:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: You can easily get around it
  6767.  
  6768. [12:21:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: One can donate a specific amount [12:21:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: then
  6769.  
  6770. you specify the ranks in game [12:21:29 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:14 AM] Erik Broes: <<< Why do
  6771.  
  6772. you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there is money
  6773.  
  6774. involved?Because pros work for money. I think the youtube example is a great one. Sparklez
  6775.  
  6776. hired an animation team, a vocalist, etc. I hire developers, admins, support staff, etc. You
  6777.  
  6778. get top quality work when you pay for it. If you hope that the online multiplayer experience
  6779.  
  6780. will continue to expand or even stay where it is without a profit motive than you're kidding
  6781.  
  6782. yourself. To be honest, this feels more like an attack on the community than a move in mojang's
  6783.  
  6784. best interest. I can't understand your motivation. [12:21:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: or something
  6785.  
  6786. [12:21:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^ [12:21:53 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: yeaaaaah and you get to
  6787.  
  6788. solve that isn't that fun!! You created this unbalance that was purely fed by greed [12:21:55
  6789.  
  6790. AM] WoodysGamertag: Every server owner breaks the EULA, every single one. [12:22:17 AM]
  6791.  
  6792. Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": This was also broadcasted on the Minecraft Youtube Channel, so you
  6793.  
  6794. promoted that you can have a server like these guys, who make money and who just helped people
  6795.  
  6796. at a Minecraft Convention which you arranged them to do [12:22:42 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: nope,
  6797.  
  6798. because then it's not a donation [12:23:01 AM] Erik Broes: Woody: not true, servers exists that
  6799.  
  6800. do not do microtransations or perks for donations [12:23:10 AM] TATIMBLIN: I haven't made
  6801.  
  6802. anything from ranks so 1. Don't judge me and 2. It is your game [12:23:49 AM] Iphonetips1
  6803.  
  6804. "SaiCoGaming": ^ lol, please show me [12:23:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: Don't get me wrong [12:23:56
  6805.  
  6806. AM] aa2202aa2202: But many methods to get around it [12:24:30 AM] Erik Broes: tatimblin: good
  6807.  
  6808. to hear you are not selling ranks then :) [12:25:42 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:22 AM] Erik Broes:
  6809.  
  6810. <<< Woody: not true, servers exists that do not do microtransations or perks for donationsCan
  6811.  
  6812. you name some? I'm curious if they are popular. [12:25:48 AM] aa2202aa2202: 60% of servers will
  6813.  
  6814. shut down [12:25:57 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": did you know that the people in the panel at
  6815.  
  6816. Minecon were breaking your EULA? [12:26:01 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will slowely die
  6817.  
  6818. [12:26:12 AM] craig-egerton: [12:00 AM] Erik Broes: <<< I don't see how you can justify
  6819.  
  6820. breaking the EULA in any waypoints like this, no one has here, we are talking about making the
  6821.  
  6822. EULA stupid [12:26:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: Mhm we did ranks based on points that couldn't be bought.
  6823.  
  6824. And setup a way to donate for nothing [12:26:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then 1 day mojang will regret
  6825.  
  6826. their decision [12:27:15 AM] Erik Broes: no, talking about rewording the EULA so you actually
  6827.  
  6828. get more rights :) [12:27:47 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: that seems like a nice system,
  6829.  
  6830. according to everyone in here your server either sucks super hard or it will die in days
  6831.  
  6832. [12:28:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": ohhhhhh so you still won't enforce the EULA, but just
  6833.  
  6834. change it so that we have some rights? [12:28:40 AM] WoodysGamertag: I like the rights we have
  6835.  
  6836. now, EULA non-enforcement :) [12:28:45 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": So nothing will change
  6837.  
  6838. but actually giving us some right to do things [12:29:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: Just have players
  6839.  
  6840. donate [12:29:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on forums [12:29:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: they save they donated
  6841.  
  6842. [12:29:15 AM] aa2202aa2202: then give them ranks [12:29:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: So easy to bypass
  6843.  
  6844. [12:29:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: :) [12:29:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: There were about 30 people on, so it
  6845.  
  6846. was nice for a while (30 is good for just creative IMO) [12:29:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: Have it as
  6847.  
  6848. a donation payment [12:29:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: And add MC username to reason [12:29:49 AM]
  6849.  
  6850. aa2202aa2202: What can mojang do [12:29:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: without a webstore [12:30:16 AM]
  6851.  
  6852. Erik Broes: Amir: nope, you cannot 'give' people ranks based on an outside payment :) [12:30:50
  6853.  
  6854. AM] Erik Broes: It's really simple, money you spend outside of the game cannot reflect inside
  6855.  
  6856. the game at all [12:30:54 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": dw I'm sure BuyCraft will come up with
  6857.  
  6858. a way around it haha [12:31:14 AM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 10:36 AM,
  6859.  
  6860. Mason // PixelPrison wrote: > could we get someone working on a minecraft rip? so that after
  6861.  
  6862. all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with. not making a rip,
  6863.  
  6864. but I'm developing something better. [12:31:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: How will you monitor this
  6865.  
  6866. [12:31:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: I will have a donate button [12:31:38 AM] aa2202aa2202: no ranks
  6867.  
  6868. mentioned [12:31:39 AM] TATIMBLIN: Though it was too expensive for not making any money so we
  6869.  
  6870. all left to a server that was hosted by a bigger server in return for builds [12:31:59 AM]
  6871.  
  6872. aa2202aa2202: Just mention it in game/forums [12:32:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again [12:32:34
  6873.  
  6874. AM] aa2202aa2202: you can't monitor the ranks I give [12:32:35 AM] aa2202aa2202: in any way
  6875.  
  6876. [12:33:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again you can't verify that the people that have ranks have
  6877.  
  6878. donated [1:16:55 AM] Jordan // LOF Network: Can someone please answer my questions [1:17:35 AM]
  6879.  
  6880. Jordan // LOF Network: Is this officially happening? What exactly do we have to change [2:20:55
  6881.  
  6882. AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I'm 99% sure they do [2:22:11 AM] 9gigsofram: That would be increadilbly
  6883.  
  6884. dumb [2:22:34 AM] Dan: because Mojang is not a rip off merchant. did you know their game is a
  6885.  
  6886. 20 euro one time fee, although if you want to play with your friends it would've been free but
  6887.  
  6888. they closed all big servers for their 10 euro a month (or 120 euro a year) service. [2:23:24
  6889.  
  6890. AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Dan [2:23:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: People don't spend 120 euroes a year on
  6891.  
  6892. server perks? [2:23:46 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: not to my knowledge... [2:25:07 AM] craig-egerton:
  6893.  
  6894. [2:23 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: <<< People don't spend 120 euroes a year on server perks?factions
  6895.  
  6896. etc. they do [2:26:03 AM] craig-egerton: first year is alot more but they still spend alot
  6897.  
  6898. [2:26:26 AM] Dan: I know Max! but if you can't setup a LAN server, or host a server yourself
  6899.  
  6900. then you're going to need to pay Mojang that to maintain your server for you! [2:27:06 AM] Dan:
  6901.  
  6902. correction [2:27:22 AM] Dan: I doubt merely 50 of them have spent 120 euros [2:27:30 AM] Dan:
  6903.  
  6904. 500,000 people have joined my server [2:27:44 AM] Dan: but if that were realms, they'd need to
  6905.  
  6906. pay 10 euroes just to get a server with their friends! [2:30:46 AM] Dan: although, Erik seems
  6907.  
  6908. pretty confident that everyone would voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't
  6909.  
  6910. be there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there)
  6911.  
  6912. [2:30:49 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I've over 750,000 but then i've been around a bit longer [2:30:52
  6913.  
  6914. AM] Max | Sraph LTD: srs dan on 500,000? [2:31:01 AM] danstoogood: why don't we try that Erik?
  6915.  
  6916. [2:31:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: max [2:31:37 AM] danstoogood: you seem extremely confident that this
  6917.  
  6918. world is filled with warm hearted people [2:32:21 AM] bloxparadise_: dan i doubt he's listening
  6919.  
  6920. to you [2:33:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Yes aa2202 [2:33:46 AM] danstoogood: I doubt that :P
  6921.  
  6922. [2:35:05 AM] dillyg10: Same conversation as this morning? [2:35:23 AM] Gummy: So just to clear
  6923.  
  6924. the air, how is everyone today? [2:35:58 AM] lofnetwork: Yep [2:36:04 AM | Edited 2:38:25 AM]
  6925.  
  6926. danstoogood: yea dilly, it seems Erik is a hypocrite [2:36:06 AM] danstoogood: :| [2:37:05 AM]
  6927.  
  6928. christian.payne23: Why cant we be friends? Why cant we be friends? [2:37:44 AM] ilucamc: On
  6929.  
  6930. 6/3/14, at 19:05, xllgummybearxll wrote: > So just to clear the air, how is everyone today?
  6931.  
  6932. Well tried [2:38:10 AM] bloxparadise_: Because erik isn't friendly? [2:39:00 AM] Curtis.: Funny
  6933.  
  6934. how he ignored the questions about TheHive being shut down. [2:40:04 AM] bloxparadise_: Like he
  6935.  
  6936. didn't ignore anyone else [2:41:01 AM] christian.payne23: He ignored all the questions [2:41:31
  6937.  
  6938. AM] christian.payne23: I want to know how they think its right they get games like The Walls,
  6939.  
  6940. that originated somewhere else for realms. but are going to close down those servers [2:41:57
  6941.  
  6942. AM] christian.payne23: Without servers like hypixel, or mineplex, or thehive, mojang wont get
  6943.  
  6944. ideas for realms, so it will fail aswell. [2:42:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Anyone have a plugin that
  6945.  
  6946. lets you assign commands to mobs? [2:43:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: guess what [2:43:53 AM]
  6947.  
  6948. bloxparadise_: what? [2:48:21 AM] youaresohistory1: http://imgur.com/a/ZzsYJ Add me if
  6949.  
  6950. interested [2:50:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: youaresohistory [2:50:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: Is a scammer
  6951.  
  6952. [2:50:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: most likely [2:50:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: He has been offering a lot of
  6953.  
  6954. pre-built maps...... [2:50:57 AM] youaresohistory1: ? [2:50:59 AM] youaresohistory1: Proof.
  6955.  
  6956. [2:51:23 AM] aa2202aa2202: Proof that its yours [2:51:33 AM] bloxparadise_: What if he has made
  6957.  
  6958. alot? [2:51:37 AM] youaresohistory1: Pre-built doesn't mean a scam... [2:51:45 AM]
  6959.  
  6960. aa2202aa2202: Ahahha [2:51:46 AM] aa2202aa2202: thats funny [2:51:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: I live
  6961.  
  6962. 20 minutes [2:51:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: from that castle [2:51:56 AM] youaresohistory1: Everytime
  6963.  
  6964. I post, you're just like: SCAMMER! [2:52:04 AM] craig-egerton: [2:50 AM] Amir: <<<
  6965.  
  6966. youaresohistory Is a scammer most likely He has been offering a lot of pre-built maps......he
  6967.  
  6968. isnt a scammer [2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Please provide some proof before mindlessly
  6969.  
  6970. accusing me. [2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Thanks. [2:52:34 AM] craig-egerton: pretty sure its
  6971.  
  6972. a build team behind it [2:52:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said most likely [2:52:51 AM] dithrlos: as
  6973.  
  6974. much as i hate him [2:52:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:21 hat youaresohistory1
  6975.  
  6976. geschrieben: > Everytime I post, you're just like: SCAMMER! First time i said it [2:52:55 AM]
  6977.  
  6978. dithrlos: he isn't a scamer [2:53:05 AM] dithrlos: scammer* [2:53:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said
  6979.  
  6980. most likely [2:53:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: -.- [2:53:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: I was just assuming
  6981.  
  6982. [2:53:38 AM] youaresohistory1: Really? [2:53:50 AM] ilucamc: He really isn't [2:55:04 AM]
  6983.  
  6984. youaresohistory1: A pretty bad assumption [2:55:36 AM] craig-egerton: Amir, we where just
  6985.  
  6986. informing you your assumption was wrong, that is all [2:56:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: yeah [2:57:01
  6987.  
  6988. AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:25 hat youaresohistory1 geschrieben: > A pretty bad
  6989.  
  6990. assumption Not really [2:57:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: A pretty good one actually a lot of scammers
  6991.  
  6992. around these days. [2:58:24 AM] aa2202aa2202: Especially with builds and pre build ones but
  6993.  
  6994. however since you seem to have a good history I can say that my assumption was false [2:58:26
  6995.  
  6996. AM] aa2202aa2202: But i didn't really know you [2:58:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: so yeah [2:58:58 AM]
  6997.  
  6998. youaresohistory1: So your inference from my picture was: It's prebuilt. Therefore, it's from
  6999.  
  7000. PMC [2:59:03 AM] youaresohistory1: :P [3:00:12 AM] craig-egerton: chill guys, we are all
  7001.  
  7002. friends here (heart) [3:00:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Argument ends here. [3:00:33 AM]
  7003.  
  7004. youaresohistory1: Doesn't matter. [3:09:31 AM] Erik Broes: although, Erik seems pretty
  7005.  
  7006. confident that everyone would voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't be
  7007.  
  7008. there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there) <--
  7009.  
  7010. no realms is like a GSP [3:09:50 AM] bloxparadise_: is that all you can fucking say [3:09:52
  7011.  
  7012. AM] bloxparadise_: quit your job [3:09:56 AM] Erik Broes: or rather; we act as a GSP which has
  7013.  
  7014. nothing to do with microtransactions or other shit servers are pulling :) [3:10:56 AM]
  7015.  
  7016. bloxparadise_: "other shit servers" [3:11:00 AM] bloxparadise_: seems like you're the
  7017.  
  7018. ungrateful one [3:11:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Erik [3:11:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: stop ignoring all
  7019.  
  7020. points [3:11:11 AM] aa2202aa2202: scroll up [3:11:14 AM] aa2202aa2202: and REPLY To all of them
  7021.  
  7022. [3:12:24 AM] ilucamc: Erik. Please tell me why servers shouldn't be able to accept donations?
  7023.  
  7024. [3:13:06 AM] bloxparadise_: Because he's jealous lol [3:14:14 AM] ilucamc: I'm not sure if I
  7025.  
  7026. remember correctly, but didn't he also say we can't be accepting profit from this? [3:15:49 AM]
  7027.  
  7028. bloxparadise_: wouldn't doubt it [3:20:54 AM] danstoogood: [3:09 AM] Erik Broes: <<< other shit
  7029.  
  7030. servers are pulling [3:21:36 AM] danstoogood: that is what is upsetting me [3:21:43 AM]
  7031.  
  7032. danstoogood: you're acting as-if every server tries to rip off their players [3:22:28 AM]
  7033.  
  7034. bloxparadise_: mojang in general upsets me in general lol [3:23:34 AM] aa2202aa2202: Wow
  7035.  
  7036. [3:23:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: .,. [3:32:57 AM] nextinlinebro_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
  7037.  
  7038. v=5WpZddamHwA&feature=youtu.be GUYS LOOK OMG [3:33:22 AM] bloxparadise_: OMG [3:33:29 AM]
  7039.  
  7040. bloxparadise_: LOLOL [3:34:06 AM] bloxparadise_: haha i just love the background view [3:34:07
  7041.  
  7042. AM] bloxparadise_: of india [3:34:19 AM] ilucamc: Amazing [3:35:39 AM] shahriya96: hes hot
  7043.  
  7044. [3:35:57 AM] bloxparadise_: lol [3:36:10 AM] youaresohistory1: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [3:36:16
  7045.  
  7046. AM] bloxparadise_: Wonder how long it took to dress up XD [3:45:51 AM] publicpwner21: I love
  7047.  
  7048. [3:45:54 AM] publicpwner21: the rainforest sounds [3:45:57 AM] publicpwner21: in the background
  7049.  
  7050. [3:46:05 AM] publicpwner21: or whatever that shit be [3:46:33 AM] bloxparadise_: XD [3:46:54
  7051.  
  7052. AM] publicpwner21: he also has some really nice hair [3:48:21 AM] christian.payne23: I think
  7053.  
  7054. erik gave up [3:49:05 AM] Erik Broes: Lol no [3:49:18 AM] Erik Broes: Learning Swedish so just
  7055.  
  7056. busy [3:50:07 AM] bloxparadise_: I hoep you're joking [3:52:42 AM] ilucamc: Why doesn't anyone
  7057.  
  7058. say, "is anyone renting .net"? [3:53:13 AM] bloxparadise_: cuz .net sucks [3:54:16 AM] ilucamc:
  7059.  
  7060. How so? [3:54:30 AM] bloxparadise_: It's not as pouplated [3:54:49 AM] bloxparadise_: hence the
  7061.  
  7062. reason nobody asks is anyone renting .net [3:55:00 AM | Edited 3:55:10 AM] danstoogood: ok, I
  7063.  
  7064. can understand Mojang's aggrevation, ok [3:55:03 AM] christian.payne23: Erik, explain one thing
  7065.  
  7066. for me [3:55:29 AM] danstoogood: but, I think a lot of things are being distorted [3:56:04 AM |
  7067.  
  7068. Edited 3:56:08 AM] danstoogood: for example, http://puu.sh/9dwDf/162db0d795.png - it's not even
  7069.  
  7070. possible to "redirect" through the client [3:56:09 AM | Edited 3:56:32 AM] christian.payne23:
  7071.  
  7072. How can you steall the mini game ideas from servers, but then threaten them? If you make the
  7073.  
  7074. owners close the servers, mojang wont have anymore good ideas to steall for your precious
  7075.  
  7076. realms..... [3:56:34 AM] danstoogood: we're not all money thirsty 13 year olds, I just want you
  7077.  
  7078. to understand that :P [3:56:36 AM] christian.payne23: ^^^^^ [3:57:42 AM] Drew: Heck im not even
  7079.  
  7080. taking donations atm :P [3:58:24 AM] danstoogood: and, people moan about being innappreciative,
  7081.  
  7082. but most of this chit chat is like; http://puu.sh/9dwO9/bd2d572480.png [3:58:31 AM | Edited
  7083.  
  7084. 3:58:50 AM] danstoogood: a 5 second wait for a free mod isn't too bad, and people are claiming
  7085.  
  7086. that is the problem with the community [3:59:34 AM] danstoogood: for example some other upvoted
  7087.  
  7088. posts: "Im patiently awaiting Mojang to totally wreck the shitty modders who screw with the
  7089.  
  7090. game by intentionally crashing the game or by adding DRM in their mods." [4:02:29 AM]
  7091.  
  7092. danstoogood: I just feel mojang and the "reddit group" have cast a negative blanket over all of
  7093.  
  7094. us due to just a few of the server owners actions [4:09:06 AM] dillyg10: Seriously [4:09:18 AM]
  7095.  
  7096. dillyg10: This has been a nearly 24 hour discussion [4:09:21 AM] dillyg10: It's time to call it
  7097.  
  7098. quits. [4:10:47 AM] calebmerridethbell: No, this is interesting! haha. [4:11:03 AM]
  7099.  
  7100. bloxparadise_: it gets frusturating :/ [4:11:12 AM] ilucamc: ^ [4:12:38 AM | Edited 4:13:14 AM]
  7101.  
  7102. danstoogood: sorry it's just annoying me that people are saying "I hate servers that you have
  7103.  
  7104. to pay to, why do mineplex and hypixel do that?" without understanding the infrastructure
  7105.  
  7106. behind these servers, and that as soon as these changes are in effect, the servers will be
  7107.  
  7108. unable to run and everything will change, almost immediately [4:13:52 AM] danstoogood: sure,
  7109.  
  7110. those servers filled with bold text and overpriced ranks will close, but also large community
  7111.  
  7112. servers will cease to exist [4:17:33 AM] Erik Broes: I dont see why they would stop to exist;
  7113.  
  7114. they will change their business model and actually be allowed to make money that way [4:18:19
  7115.  
  7116. AM] bloxparadise_: Not all of us are rich as shit [4:18:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh because nobody
  7117.  
  7118. will fucking donate? [4:18:40 AM] bloxparadise_: What's so hard to understand? [4:18:47 AM]
  7119.  
  7120. Drew: We should all just stop talking about this in here because its going to get no where :)
  7121.  
  7122. [4:19:05 AM] danstoogood: I am reading reddit now [4:19:09 AM] Erik Broes: Oh so people
  7123.  
  7124. wouldn't want you around? :D [4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: and I think I have the COMPLETE wrong
  7125.  
  7126. idea [4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: lol [4:19:14 AM] danstoogood: holy shit [4:19:23 AM]
  7127.  
  7128. danstoogood: well I sorta had the right idea [4:19:30 AM] danstoogood: ok I am going to rework
  7129.  
  7130. my server [4:20:14 AM] Erik Broes: When we make up our mind about what will be in the EULA you
  7131.  
  7132. will have some time to adjust [4:20:20 AM] danstoogood: ok [4:20:27 AM] danstoogood: soz for
  7133.  
  7134. coming across so harshly lol [4:20:29 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan what are you reading? [4:20:43 AM]
  7135.  
  7136. danstoogood: I feel kinda like a dick that nothing has ever been announced [4:20:46 AM] Erik
  7137.  
  7138. Broes: But sofar the changes are in your favor, right now you have no rights at all to make
  7139.  
  7140. money, then you will [4:21:00 AM] danstoogood: soz Erik lol [4:21:20 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan
  7141.  
  7142. link/ [4:21:37 AM] danstoogood:
  7143.  
  7144. http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/2720xt/psa_to_server_owners_selling_a_diamond_sword_
  7145.  
  7146. on_a/ [4:21:38 AM] Erik Broes: it's just nice food for thought, so you can already consider
  7147.  
  7148. less lame ways to squeeze money from people :P [4:21:41 AM] danstoogood: I'm just reading
  7149.  
  7150. through that [4:22:10 AM] dillyg10: xD [4:22:11 AM | Edited 4:22:30 AM] danstoogood: yea Erik,
  7151.  
  7152. can you give us a brief idea of what's going to happen so we can sort of think ahead? :P
  7153.  
  7154. [4:22:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik you're such a fucking troll [4:22:20 AM] christian.payne23: But we
  7155.  
  7156. are not squeezing money.... [4:22:22 AM] Erik Broes: it's not set in stone yet; the first draft
  7157.  
  7158. after todays meeting hasn't even gone out [4:22:33 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, it's just hilarious
  7159.  
  7160. [4:22:54 AM] dillyg10: Continue ;P [4:23:06 AM] christian.payne23: It is OPTIONAL TO DONATE or
  7161.  
  7162. PURCHASE RANKS OR ITEMS. We are not forcing them to. It is optional. it is their choice.
  7163.  
  7164. [4:23:20 AM] danstoogood: any information AT ALL? (wasntme) [4:23:38 AM] danstoogood: captain
  7165.  
  7166. that argument is over [4:23:41 AM] dillyg10: I honest to god wonder how long this conversation
  7167.  
  7168. will carry on [4:23:44 AM] danstoogood: this all started over a tweet from Marc, lol [4:23:51
  7169.  
  7170. AM] dillyg10: Like... I'm putting bets on another 2 days [4:24:16 AM] nextinlinebro_: I say we
  7171.  
  7172. move back to the #bickering IRC channel [4:24:17 AM] nextinlinebro_: ANyone agree? [4:24:50 AM]
  7173.  
  7174. Erik Broes: CaptainBob: is it also optional to follow our EULA? :P [4:25:01 AM] Erik Broes: no
  7175.  
  7176. this started 7 months ago when i brought up the issue [4:25:22 AM] christian.payne23: No its
  7177.  
  7178. not. But why the hell, after like 4 years, do you care so much about it now? [4:25:24 AM] Erik
  7179.  
  7180. Broes: the '$10k perk' has put some fire under certain peoples asses [4:26:01 AM] Erik Broes:
  7181.  
  7182. and now finally things are given the right priority [4:26:07 AM] dillyg10: Lol and it all
  7183.  
  7184. started [4:26:25 AM] dillyg10: Because fucking felipe sent a C&D to matt [4:26:28 AM] Erik
  7185.  
  7186. Broes: Because it is a growing problem for us? [4:26:33 AM] dillyg10: So [4:26:39 AM] dillyg10:
  7187.  
  7188. Think about that :) [4:26:55 AM] Erik Broes: When you now google for minecraft servers it
  7189.  
  7190. starts to become about 'shop/perk/rank/whatever' almost instantly [4:27:07 AM] Drew: The right
  7191.  
  7192. priority lmfao [4:27:25 AM] Erik Broes: we get increasing amounts of complaints from users on
  7193.  
  7194. support with 'things going wrong' or 'being unfair' or 'my kids has paid for this blabla and we
  7195.  
  7196. demand a chargeback' [4:27:39 AM] dillyg10: Err [4:27:48 AM] christian.payne23: Then get rid of
  7197.  
  7198. the freaking assholes who have the 10k perk.... [4:27:50 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: heh that is
  7199.  
  7200. what got me into this chat [4:27:54 AM] Erik Broes: but it started before that [4:27:54 AM |
  7201.  
  7202. Edited 4:28:03 AM] dillyg10: www.lmgtfy.com/?q=minecraft%20servers [4:27:56 AM]
  7203.  
  7204. christian.payne23: Why punish us all? [4:28:08 AM] Drew: How about that list of 1,600 hacked
  7205.  
  7206. accounts I sent you months ago you did nothing about and now a bunch of kids are reselling? I
  7207.  
  7208. guess that doesn't matter, glad you got your priorities straight [4:28:10 AM] bloxparadise_:
  7209.  
  7210. Then email them back and say its not your responsibility? [4:28:22 AM] danstoogood: one point I
  7211.  
  7212. would like you to acknowledge is that those issues are USUALLY associated with the poorly
  7213.  
  7214. managed servers [4:28:36 AM] bloxparadise_: I haven't had 1 chargback since I opened [4:28:37
  7215.  
  7216. AM] Erik Broes: It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the way the game is slowly
  7217.  
  7218. turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our rules say you cannot do
  7219.  
  7220. that [4:28:44 AM] bloxparadise_: if I did, it was a small one that was resolved quickly
  7221.  
  7222. [4:28:59 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people [4:29:12 AM] Erik
  7223.  
  7224. Broes: more i cannot do about it, i dont even have access to the accounts in that way [4:29:30
  7225.  
  7226. AM] christian.payne23: I had one charge back. And it was because the dad didn't know what was
  7227.  
  7228. going on. I emailed him, and it was solved. Simple as that [4:29:56 AM | Edited 4:30:45 AM]
  7229.  
  7230. danstoogood: so Erik, would you say that after these changes are in effect a $5 a month
  7231.  
  7232. OPTIONAL and strictly optional payment for a coloured name and other various coded perks (none
  7233.  
  7234. of Minecraft's IP) which would support upkeep is accepted? [4:29:57 AM] christian.payne23: just
  7235.  
  7236. like blox [4:30:02 AM] danstoogood: I am not planning on doing so [4:30:20 AM] danstoogood:
  7237.  
  7238. just simply would like to get an idea of what you guys are thinking of doing [4:30:20 AM] Drew:
  7239.  
  7240. On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the
  7241.  
  7242. way the game is slowly turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our
  7243.  
  7244. rules say you cannot do that IT IS NOT, CERTIAN SERVERS HAVE THE ///OPTION/// TO DO THAT BUT
  7245.  
  7246. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SERVERS THAT DONT [4:30:33 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes
  7247.  
  7248. wrote: > Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people well nothing happened lol [4:30:53
  7249.  
  7250. AM] Erik Broes: no, but you can surely add some soft/ingame currency that people can earn by
  7251.  
  7252. playing to color their name [4:30:55 AM] Drew: Now a bunch of kids are getting their accounts
  7253.  
  7254. sold out from under them [4:31:07 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: then 'those other servers' will not be
  7255.  
  7256. bothered by the changes [4:31:26 AM] danstoogood: I am confused now [4:31:38 AM] bloxparadise_:
  7257.  
  7258. Then how do you expect me to pay for my server, erik? [4:31:44 AM] danstoogood: Erik what
  7259.  
  7260. exactly are you proposing lol [4:32:00 AM] danstoogood: I mean, $5 a month for a coloured name,
  7261.  
  7262. if they want to support the server I thought would be perfectly acceptable? :P [4:32:04 AM]
  7263.  
  7264. Erik Broes: yeah i should rephrase that 'add' i used; 'create a currency system in the game' --
  7265.  
  7266. not 'award virtual currency for real money' [4:32:09 AM] dillyg10: Okay Erik, what about this
  7267.  
  7268. [4:32:10 AM] Erik Broes: blox: with money? [4:32:13 AM] bloxparadise_: And after I can't pay
  7269.  
  7270. for my server, how do you expect players to have fun and play minecraft? [4:32:13 AM] dillyg10:
  7271.  
  7272. People pay me money [4:32:15 AM] dillyg10: But [4:32:23 AM] bloxparadise_: Seems we're just
  7273.  
  7274. saying the same shit over and over.. [4:32:25 AM] dillyg10: they send it in the form of goat
  7275.  
  7276. [4:32:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what about $5 a month without a colored name to support their
  7277.  
  7278. server? [4:32:31 AM] dillyg10: In exchange for that goat [4:32:35 AM] dillyg10: I give them
  7279.  
  7280. cattle [4:32:37 AM] dillyg10: ingame. [4:32:43 AM] danstoogood: then it would be less appealing
  7281.  
  7282. [4:32:46 AM] dillyg10: The cattle can be brought to an in game shop [4:32:51 AM] dillyg10:
  7283.  
  7284. Where they can exchange that [4:32:53 AM] dillyg10: for perks. [4:32:56 AM] dillyg10: Now how
  7285.  
  7286. does that sound? [4:32:59 AM] Erik Broes: dan: why not? :) [4:33:01 AM] danstoogood: and then
  7287.  
  7288. we can get on the topic of Realms being free and letting people pay as they please [4:33:07 AM]
  7289.  
  7290. Max | Sraph LTD: Erik [4:33:23 AM] danstoogood: which if you think is possible I am happy to
  7291.  
  7292. experiment with that [4:33:34 AM] bloxparadise_: ^ [4:33:36 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: what about we
  7293.  
  7294. go on like we have for the last 3 years of minecraft [4:33:41 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: maybe
  7295.  
  7296. slightly bloated on the youtube side, with sponsorship prices [4:33:43 AM] Max | Sraph LTD:
  7297.  
  7298. it's a good eco system [4:33:44 AM] Erik Broes: we have no intention to make realms free,
  7299.  
  7300. again, realms is more like a GSP not a 'microtransaction to good you already have paid for'
  7301.  
  7302. [4:34:04 AM] danstoogood: just you know that players do not wish to receive nothing in return
  7303.  
  7304. [4:34:11 AM] danstoogood: GSP? what's that [4:34:39 AM | Removed 4:34:35 AM] danstoogood: This
  7305.  
  7306. message has been removed. [4:34:43 AM] dillyg10: So my marketing strategy is: (sheep) = (dog) =
  7307.  
  7308. (cash) [4:34:53 AM] Erik Broes: how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands for
  7309.  
  7310. both DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for outrageous
  7311.  
  7312. prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o) [4:34:53 AM] dillyg10: I think
  7313.  
  7314. that'll align with your EULA [4:35:03 AM] Drew: But you haven't paid for it [4:35:10 AM] Erik
  7315.  
  7316. Broes: GameServerProvider (think multiplay) [4:35:14 AM] Drew: A perk that I create is not
  7317.  
  7318. something they paid for [4:35:55 AM] Drew: They didn't party for prefixes when they bought
  7319.  
  7320. minecraft [4:36:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: SSSS [4:36:33 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: a perk that requires
  7321.  
  7322. the client to see it is something they paid for [4:36:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um
  7323.  
  7324. 21:04 hat Erik Broes geschrieben: > how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands
  7325.  
  7326. for both DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for
  7327.  
  7328. outrageous prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o) Deal with it [4:36:41
  7329.  
  7330. AM] aa2202aa2202: You won't change shit [4:37:31 AM] Drew: No it's really not [4:37:37 AM]
  7331.  
  7332. bloxparadise_: Uh I can sell whatever the shit I want for whatever price, I thought that wasn't
  7333.  
  7334. mojang's business [4:37:50 AM] nextinlinebro_: @Erik Have you ever tried smoking pot? [4:38:20
  7335.  
  7336. AM | Edited 4:38:19 AM] Drew: I guess that they already bought your game because they paid for
  7337.  
  7338. windows to see it (rofl) [4:38:20 AM] bloxparadise_: looool [4:38:52 AM] Erik Broes: nope and
  7339.  
  7340. never intend to unless i get some weird cancer [4:39:28 AM] dillyg10: What kind of alcohol do
  7341.  
  7342. you guys drink in Sweeden? [4:39:42 AM] bloxparadise_: have you ever checked? [4:39:43 AM]
  7343.  
  7344. bloxparadise_: you should [4:39:46 AM] nextinlinebro_: Clearly you need to try some [4:40:16
  7345.  
  7346. AM] 9gigsofram: so you are going to turn it into world of warcraft private servers :P [4:40:25
  7347.  
  7348. AM] dillyg10: Honestly not a trolly question, always wondered :P [4:40:42 AM | Edited 4:40:36
  7349.  
  7350. AM] 9gigsofram: even more pay to win to maintain the legal workarounds :O [4:41:46 AM] Erik
  7351.  
  7352. Broes: dillyg10: overly expensive ones hehe [4:42:16 AM] danstoogood: I don't think as a
  7353.  
  7354. representative of a large company he can admit to smoking a class B drug [4:42:16 AM]
  7355.  
  7356. bloxparadise_: Erik do you get paid least at mojang? xD [4:42:32 AM] 9gigsofram: fancy [4:43:22
  7357.  
  7358. AM] dillyg10: Heh :P [4:43:30 AM] Erik Broes: blox: obviously :P [4:43:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan:
  7359.  
  7360. why not? [4:43:46 AM] Erik Broes: smoking pot is not illegal; just stupid [4:43:56 AM] Erik
  7361.  
  7362. Broes: pot/weed/grass/whatever [4:43:56 AM] 9gigsofram: well its not smoking it that is illegal
  7363.  
  7364. [4:43:58 AM] danstoogood: it's a class B drug here lol [4:43:59 AM] Drew: As a representative
  7365.  
  7366. of a company he shouldn't be distributing illegally obtained property either xD [4:44:02 AM]
  7367.  
  7368. 9gigsofram: its possessing it [4:44:03 AM] dillyg10: I mean, do you guys get more of a german
  7369.  
  7370. or russian influence there? [4:44:10 AM | Edited 4:44:14 AM] dillyg10: As far as the alcohol
  7371.  
  7372. goes [4:44:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: He gets paid in twisslers [4:44:22 AM] bloxparadise_: k thx
  7373.  
  7374. for ruining the joke [4:44:23 AM] danstoogood: and pricey [4:44:24 AM] 9gigsofram: and if he
  7375.  
  7376. visited somwhere it was legal he could say what he wanted :P [4:44:27 AM] nextinlinebro_: Id
  7377.  
  7378. love to get paid in twisslers [4:44:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: also mojang is not a large company
  7379.  
  7380. [4:44:42 AM] danstoogood: :O [4:45:11 AM] danstoogood: the 3rd biggest selling video game
  7381.  
  7382. [4:45:14 AM] Erik Broes: ~36 people is not 'large' by any means :) [4:45:42 AM] danstoogood:
  7383.  
  7384. lol my friend who's in amsterdam atm literally just messaged me as that subject came up in chat
  7385.  
  7386. [4:44 AM] KooKie: <<< holy shit Dan In Amsterdam, like literally a weed store every 100m
  7387.  
  7388. [4:45:52 AM] Erik Broes: yes with a team of 5 for the game, 4 for realms … whooo :P [4:46:29
  7389.  
  7390. AM] 9gigsofram: 4 for realms? [4:46:35 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: bull shit, it has lots of shops
  7391.  
  7392. where you can get it, but once you leave the touristy area its 'as hard to get as anywhere'
  7393.  
  7394. [4:46:36 AM] 9gigsofram: seems a tad excessive :P [4:46:49 AM] bloxparadise_: yeah that's a
  7395.  
  7396. shit load of money [4:46:51 AM] bloxparadise_: so why t'f you guys mad [4:46:52 AM] 9gigsofram:
  7397.  
  7398. i guess support takes up alot of that though [4:47:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik, totally out of the
  7399.  
  7400. blue [4:47:19 AM] Erik Broes: because some servers are ruining the game? :) [4:47:19 AM]
  7401.  
  7402. bloxparadise_: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-
  7403.  
  7404. 9/10390332_689299854441142_5150017957485640618_n.jpg [4:47:19 AM] dillyg10: but do you guys do
  7405.  
  7406. internships at Mojang? [4:47:34 AM] Erik Broes: no support is another company [4:47:47 AM]
  7407.  
  7408. bloxparadise_: you said it yourself [4:47:48 AM] bloxparadise_: "some" [4:47:59 AM]
  7409.  
  7410. bloxparadise_: how about you go deal with those "some" servers and leave us alone [4:48:12 AM]
  7411.  
  7412. Drew: How are 'some' servers ruining the game [4:48:19 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: nothing
  7413.  
  7414. noteworthy [4:48:21 AM] Drew: The servers are independent [4:48:27 AM] Erik Broes: we've had
  7415.  
  7416. some person visit for a week for example [4:48:32 AM] Drew: They dont affect the game [4:48:54
  7417.  
  7418. AM] Erik Broes: Drew: they ruin the image of the game by ever so slowly push it to 'pay2win'
  7419.  
  7420. [4:48:57 AM] 9gigsofram: less than 1% of servers :P [4:49:06 AM] 9gigsofram: what do those 4
  7421.  
  7422. people do :O [4:49:33 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:18 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > dillyg10:
  7423.  
  7424. nothing noteworthy Ehh was just curios, was thinking about going abroad for school at some
  7425.  
  7426. point, sweden seems like a neat place :P [4:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: if you are referring to
  7427.  
  7428. mineplex/hypixel/hive/octc then deal with them [4:49:57 AM] nextinlinebro_:
  7429.  
  7430. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WpZddamHwA @Grum ^-^ [4:50:17 AM] dillyg10: Ah, so nothing
  7431.  
  7432. longterm :P [4:50:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will be [4:50:41 AM] bloxparadise_: "BEST PLUGIN
  7433.  
  7434. DEVLOPMENT" [4:50:54 AM] Drew: My server isn't pay to win [4:50:58 AM] Drew: As are most
  7435.  
  7436. servers [4:51:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "FOR ALL OF YOUR PLOGIN NEEDS" [4:51:16 AM] Erik Broes:
  7437.  
  7438. dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it [4:51:40 AM] VoxaDub: Grum
  7439.  
  7440. what does 'dealing with them' mean? [4:51:51 AM] Drew: I DONT think so little kids servers are
  7441.  
  7442. ruining any image [4:52:14 AM] danstoogood: Erik do you want to play our servers with us so we
  7443.  
  7444. can demonstrate lol [4:52:29 AM] Erik Broes: Voxadub: making the rules more explicit in what
  7445.  
  7446. they can and cannot do :P [4:52:48 AM] Erik Broes: but we cannot just go to the 'big ones' and
  7447.  
  7448. say: hey stop! -- would be unfair to the smaller ones right? [4:53:02 AM] Drew: I DONT think
  7449.  
  7450. you have any idea what's going on in your community [4:53:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "they" [4:53:07
  7451.  
  7452. AM] bloxparadise_: does that mean I can sell diamond blocks lol [4:53:30 AM] Drew: Idk why my
  7453.  
  7454. tablet keeps capsing DONT [4:53:43 AM] 9gigsofram: question [4:53:44 AM] Erik Broes: blox:
  7455.  
  7456. seeing your screaming -- that is what you are doing right? [4:53:51 AM] VoxaDub: So like
  7457.  
  7458. selling stuff? [4:54:05 AM] 9gigsofram: can we ignore these guidelines if we live in uae and
  7459.  
  7460. have a server hosted offshore :P [4:54:14 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: i probably mostly know the bad
  7461.  
  7462. stuff -- sitting in here :P [4:54:41 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:21 PM, Erik Broes wrote: >
  7463.  
  7464. dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it Ah that's a shame, well it
  7465.  
  7466. won't be a few years till I'm at that point anyways, keep your schedule open :P [4:54:46 AM]
  7467.  
  7468. bloxparadise_: Erik i'm not screaming m8 [4:55:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: no? :) [4:55:03
  7469.  
  7470. AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 3:24 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > Drew: i probably mostly know the bad
  7471.  
  7472. stuff -- sitting in here :P Fair enough [4:55:29 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)
  7473.  
  7474. [4:58:19 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:25 PM, Erik Broes wrote: > dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)
  7475.  
  7476. Hmm, maybe I should get Notch to do it. I can work on all his... projects [4:58:23 AM]
  7477.  
  7478. 9gigsofram: well what would you do about it :P [4:58:26 AM] 9gigsofram: just asking for when
  7479.  
  7480. sombody does that [4:59:14 AM] VoxaDub: That is a good point, what will happen if you (mojang)
  7481.  
  7482. approaches a server about something and they dont do anything about it? [4:59:57 AM] VoxaDub:
  7483.  
  7484. Cuz I cant imagine it would be very effective to sue every server owner out there [5:00:18 AM]
  7485.  
  7486. VoxaDub: And some large networks could hold their own in court, due to the money they make.
  7487.  
  7488. [5:01:25 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh well a violation of a tos isn't something you can just win
  7489.  
  7490. [5:02:36 AM] 9gigsofram: well they dont evne need court [5:02:42 AM] danstoogood: also you do
  7491.  
  7492. not need a minecraft account to run a server [5:02:52 AM] 9gigsofram: and [5:02:53 AM] Erik
  7493.  
  7494. Broes: that doesn't matter [5:02:57 AM] 9gigsofram: jsut bulletproof hosting [5:03:01 AM]
  7495.  
  7496. 9gigsofram: company represented in an appropriate country [5:03:10 AM] VoxaDub: @dan thats what
  7497.  
  7498. I was going to say lol [5:03:23 AM] bloxparadise_: erik can you answer the question [5:03:26
  7499.  
  7500. AM] bloxparadise_: what would you do if we violated the tos [5:04:00 AM] 9gigsofram: i dont run
  7501.  
  7502. a large server [5:04:05 AM] Erik Broes: blox: send a mail asking you to fix it [5:04:06 AM]
  7503.  
  7504. 9gigsofram: im just asking qustions :P [5:04:57 AM] VoxaDub: Same [5:04:59 AM] Erik Broes: i
  7505.  
  7506. know what you run 9gigsofram ;) [5:05:02 AM] bloxparadise_: and if we don't? [5:05:46 AM] Erik
  7507.  
  7508. Broes: blox: lawyers? :( [5:06:34 AM] 9gigsofram: as i said [5:06:36 AM] 9gigsofram: its not
  7509.  
  7510. that big [5:06:41 AM] 9gigsofram: just 53 players on right now :P [5:06:49 AM] VoxaDub: But
  7511.  
  7512. erik is it legitmate that you would do that with EVERY server? [5:07:15 AM] bloxparadise_: ip?
  7513.  
  7514. [5:07:18 AM] VoxaDub: Because I can imagine most large ones would try to fight it, if for say
  7515.  
  7516. its disallowing selling items. [5:07:23 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: if need be :/ [5:07:32 AM]
  7517.  
  7518. 9gigsofram: play.chosencraft.com [5:07:40 AM] Erik Broes: i think the large ones will change
  7519.  
  7520. right away [5:07:47 AM] Erik Broes: well as fast as a large one can change :) [5:08:13 AM]
  7521.  
  7522. VoxaDub: Well yeah most likely they will, but If it impedes on donations that could be another
  7523.  
  7524. story. [5:08:27 AM] danstoogood: I'm happy to re-work my packages, just I'd like to know if
  7525.  
  7526. you're completely aboloshing the "purchase" idea [5:08:30 AM | Edited 5:08:32 AM] danstoogood:
  7527.  
  7528. (worry) [5:08:33 AM] bloxparadise_: so what do you want us to change exactly [5:09:03 AM]
  7529.  
  7530. 9gigsofram: they'll either comply or move to safe havens so they don't need to i suppose :P
  7531.  
  7532. [5:09:13 AM] bloxparadise_: can you guys maybe announce this somehow [5:09:14 AM] Erik Broes:
  7533.  
  7534. Dan: that is the plan yes [5:09:27 AM] Erik Broes: but again, nothing set in stone :) [5:09:40
  7535.  
  7536. AM] VoxaDub: Yeah thats my question lol, seems everyone at mojangs keeps avoiding answering it
  7537.  
  7538. too. [5:10:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik you want to completely stop us from getting donations
  7539.  
  7540. [5:10:26 AM] danstoogood: so hypixel will no longer have a VIP option, if what is currently
  7541.  
  7542. being planned was to take place? [5:10:33 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will when we change it
  7543.  
  7544. [5:10:45 AM] Erik Broes: no, you can get donations, but as donations work, you cannot give
  7545.  
  7546. anything back -- because then it is a purchase [5:11:14 AM] VoxaDub: So the goal is to get rid
  7547.  
  7548. of server purchases? [5:11:18 AM] VoxaDub: Oh dear god. [5:11:40 AM] bloxparadise_: rip
  7549.  
  7550. minecraft [5:11:43 AM] VoxaDub: So I'm assuming buycraft and enjin will be shut down? [5:11:53
  7551.  
  7552. AM] 9gigsofram: that not going to fly :P [5:12:11 AM] bloxparadise_: erik, you are a bitch
  7553.  
  7554. [5:12:14 AM] bloxparadise_: sincerely [5:12:15 AM] bloxparadise_: me [5:12:38 AM] Drew: >
  7555.  
  7556. [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:42:16 PM ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ | Public Skype] me *everyone [5:12:45 AM] bloxparadise_:
  7557.  
  7558. Not just you but the shits working at Mojang that want to ruin this game that was perfect
  7559.  
  7560. before [5:13:01 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs yeah my thoughts exactly.... [5:13:07 AM] Erik Broes: blox:
  7561.  
  7562. i'm not a dog :D [5:13:23 AM] VoxaDub: This is literally going to ruin minecraft, I really dont
  7563.  
  7564. want to start an argument but why would mojang ever think this would be a good idea? [5:13:24
  7565.  
  7566. AM] ngusox: "I like dicks in and around my mouth" -Erik [5:13:39 AM] bloxparadise_: sure you
  7567.  
  7568. may not be a dog but you're sure acting like one [5:13:55 AM | Edited 5:14:08 AM] danstoogood:
  7569.  
  7570. yeah as much as I think Hypixel, Mineplex, my server, others in this chat, etc will stop
  7571.  
  7572. [5:14:00 AM] Erik Broes: how are we ruining the game by enforcing/loosening the EULA? O.o
  7573.  
  7574. [5:14:20 AM] bloxparadise_: first your shitty uuid updates [5:14:25 AM] bloxparadise_: now this
  7575.  
  7576. bullshit? [5:14:25 AM | Edited 5:14:27 AM] danstoogood: you're going to have all the servers
  7577.  
  7578. that are causing you problems [5:14:28 AM] danstoogood: still causing you problems [5:14:30 AM
  7579.  
  7580. | Edited 5:14:31 AM] bloxparadise_: get your head outta your ass m8 [5:14:32 AM] VoxaDub:
  7581.  
  7582. Because servers are what made the game become what it is. [5:14:40 AM] VoxaDub: I cant see how
  7583.  
  7584. you wouldnt agree? [5:14:55 AM] 9gigsofram: the problem is as i brought up before [5:14:55 AM]
  7585.  
  7586. danstoogood: and you cannot take people to court over that [5:14:59 AM] bloxparadise_: yes
  7587.  
  7588. @VoxaDub im sure he knows that [5:14:59 AM] danstoogood: you're still going to get the emails
  7589.  
  7590. :P [5:15:00 AM | Edited 5:15:03 AM] Erik Broes: prepping for renames *after* 1.8 is something
  7591.  
  7592. bad? O.o [5:15:03 AM] 9gigsofram: people can completely ignore it [5:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: if
  7593.  
  7594. they have the knowhow and money [5:15:20 AM] VoxaDub: Blox, I cant imaging this is up to erik,
  7595.  
  7596. I may be wrong but he might not have a say. [5:15:25 AM] 9gigsofram: so large servers will get
  7597.  
  7598. larger [5:15:26 AM] 9gigsofram: generally that is only large servers [5:15:30 AM] 9gigsofram:
  7599.  
  7600. and smaller ones smaller [5:15:56 AM] VoxaDub: I understand mojang obviously wants to make more
  7601.  
  7602. money, its understandable, but by doing this it will ultimately kill their game. [5:15:58 AM]
  7603.  
  7604. danstoogood: 9gigs speaks the truth! [5:16:09 AM] danstoogood: and the large servers are not
  7605.  
  7606. causing Mojang any problems... [5:16:19 AM] Erik Broes: we'll give our lawyers some exercise
  7607.  
  7608. then in that scenario [5:16:23 AM | Edited 5:16:34 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs very true the large ones
  7609.  
  7610. that can survive will thrive the most. [5:16:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i honestly hope it does
  7611.  
  7612. [5:17:06 AM] VoxaDub: Wow, really sad to see that said to be honest. :/ [5:17:08 AM] Drew: So
  7613.  
  7614. silly :P [5:17:21 AM] VoxaDub: Mojang is turning themself into the bad guy now... [5:17:25 AM]
  7615.  
  7616. 9gigsofram: erik [5:17:27 AM] 9gigsofram: that will not work at all [5:17:28 AM] 9gigsofram:
  7617.  
  7618. lol [5:17:33 AM | Edited 5:17:34 AM] danstoogood: erik can we speak to some other Mojang
  7619.  
  7620. employees about this? [5:17:46 AM] bloxparadise_: erik I hope you lose your job, I hope some
  7621.  
  7622. hobo that has flammable piss pisses all over your shit, then you [5:17:50 AM] 9gigsofram: they
  7623.  
  7624. just need to be represented somwhere with lax copywrite laws [5:17:56 AM] danstoogood: because
  7625.  
  7626. I feel you are exagerating this issue, sort of bending it the way you want it to go [5:17:56
  7627.  
  7628. AM] 9gigsofram: like the private wow servers are [5:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: like who? :)
  7629.  
  7630. [5:18:02 AM] bloxparadise_: most arrogant person i've met up to now [5:18:11 AM] bloxparadise_:
  7631.  
  7632. mind getting other employees in here? [5:18:16 AM] 9gigsofram: itll work for midlevel and small
  7633.  
  7634. [5:18:18 AM] 9gigsofram: but not large [5:18:22 AM] VoxaDub: Well fuck no idea how I'm going to
  7635.  
  7636. pay for college now. [5:18:34 AM] danstoogood: I feel like you're turning us against Mojang in
  7637.  
  7638. general, and "twisting" their proposed plans [5:18:36 AM] 9gigsofram: and any lawsuit will take
  7639.  
  7640. years [5:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i hope @lelddos ddoses realms [5:18:44 AM] Drew: Imma go have
  7641.  
  7642. to work somewhere now and wont be able to dev anymore :) [5:18:49 AM] Drew: Guess this is what
  7643.  
  7644. erik wants [5:18:54 AM] 9gigsofram: i assume that is sarcasm voxa lol [5:19:03 AM] Drew: No
  7645.  
  7646. more people doing stuff for minecraft :D [5:19:04 AM] ngusox: lold [5:19:13 AM] Erik Broes:
  7647.  
  7648. blox: how on earth am I arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say? [5:19:18 AM]
  7649.  
  7650. VoxaDub: God I cant even imagine the havoc its going to create. [5:19:31 AM] 9gigsofram: he's
  7651.  
  7652. not arrogant :P [5:19:49 AM] 9gigsofram: just keep in mind once you do this you cannot take it
  7653.  
  7654. back [5:19:54 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:49:11 PM Erik Broes] blox: how on earth am I
  7655.  
  7656. arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say? No because you dont listen to anyone but
  7657.  
  7658. yourself [5:19:58 AM | Edited 5:20:01 AM] 9gigsofram: as you'd be increasing your liability if
  7659.  
  7660. you did [5:20:01 AM] bloxparadise_: no because you want to fuck this game up [5:20:18 AM]
  7661.  
  7662. danstoogood: I feel that Erik is stating what he wants, rather than what Mojang are discussing
  7663.  
  7664. [5:20:27 AM] danstoogood: if you don't mind me asking, what happened to your server? :P
  7665.  
  7666. [5:21:13 AM] Erik Broes: I've said a lot of times before that whatever i'm saying is *my*
  7667.  
  7668. opinion [5:21:46 AM] bloxparadise_: let me guess some hobo with flammable piss pissed on his
  7669.  
  7670. physical box [5:21:50 AM] VoxaDub: Erik had a server? :O [5:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: funny
  7671.  
  7672. that MC is still around then [5:22:06 AM] Erik Broes: oh wait, that is solely because of
  7673.  
  7674. servers right? [5:22:15 AM] xllgummybearxll: No offense, but I don't think anyone wants your
  7675.  
  7676. opinion. We want the truth [5:22:30 AM] Erik Broes: that is what i've also given [5:22:37 AM]
  7677.  
  7678. Erik Broes: you have more info than anyone on the planet [5:22:51 AM] bloxparadise_: Yeah and
  7679.  
  7680. being the dumbass you are, shutting down hypixel/big servers won't help [5:22:56 AM] VoxaDub:
  7681.  
  7682. @xllgummybearxll true that [5:22:57 AM | Edited 5:23:06 AM] danstoogood: I am seeing people
  7683.  
  7684. forgetting about the needless hours of time that go into Minecraft Servers, and assuming it's
  7685.  
  7686. free money [5:23:00 AM] danstoogood: because I am seeing two sides of the story here [5:23:39
  7687.  
  7688. AM] VoxaDub: Yeah exactly what dan said [5:23:47 AM] Erik Broes: how are we shutting down big
  7689.  
  7690. servers? [5:23:52 AM] VoxaDub: apparently it wasnt going to happen according to @Marc_IRL
  7691.  
  7692. [5:23:54 AM] Erik Broes: they just have to change their business a bit and will have a legal
  7693.  
  7694. way to conduct it after the discussed changes [5:24:22 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, why ask such silly
  7695.  
  7696. questions. [5:24:23 AM] bloxparadise_: "change their business" you mean remove it? [5:24:28 AM]
  7697.  
  7698. VoxaDub: How would you not be shutting down servers by doing that? [5:24:35 AM] Erik Broes: We
  7699.  
  7700. will tell the community when we're doing the change [5:24:42 AM] bloxparadise_: do you even
  7701.  
  7702. know what the hell hypixel runs on? [5:24:46 AM] Erik Broes: which is when we decide on what we
  7703.  
  7704. will change [5:24:48 AM] bloxparadise_: how much money it costs to maintain their structure?
  7705.  
  7706. [5:24:51 AM] bloxparadise_: obviously you don't [5:24:52 AM] danstoogood: so Erik, could we add
  7707.  
  7708. some other employees to discuss this? [5:24:55 AM] VoxaDub: @blox lol...... [5:24:56 AM]
  7709.  
  7710. xllgummybearxll: Servers need donations to keep them up. How can you keep a server up without
  7711.  
  7712. cash? It's not like anyone can run a 32 GB machine free of charge. [5:25:14 AM] bloxparadise_:
  7713.  
  7714. trust me, kids won't donate if they don't get perks [5:25:22 AM] bloxparadise_: agreed @dan
  7715.  
  7716. [5:25:51 AM] VoxaDub: Next step on mojangs agenda >> Remove multiplayer button >> Replace with
  7717.  
  7718. realms [5:26:20 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what do you think they'll say different? that you have
  7719.  
  7720. been not ignoring our EULA and that we didn't have a meeting to do changes? unless you get
  7721.  
  7722. Dinnerbone in here you will get even harsher views than I've presented sofar [5:26:42 AM]
  7723.  
  7724. VoxaDub: I dont know anyone that 'dontates to donate' anymore, its expected to receive
  7725.  
  7726. something for buying something on the server [5:26:47 AM] bloxparadise_: lool [5:27:00 AM] Erik
  7727.  
  7728. Broes: VoxaDub: I still don't get why realms keeps getting dragged into this discussion -- did
  7729.  
  7730. oyu see your numbers drop since realms is live? [5:27:11 AM] danstoogood: why not add him Erik?
  7731.  
  7732. :) [5:27:33 AM] bloxparadise_: Stop denying the question [5:27:35 AM] bloxparadise_: Add
  7733.  
  7734. another employee [5:27:48 AM] Erik Broes: Because he has no patience for most people here ;)
  7735.  
  7736. [5:27:54 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys [5:27:56 AM] aa2202aa2202: just chill [5:28:00 AM]
  7737.  
  7738. aa2202aa2202: and let them enforce this method [5:28:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: :) [5:28:06 AM] Erik
  7739.  
  7740. Broes: Amir: every decision always hurts everything and everyone, even us making a new version
  7741.  
  7742. … it's always panic [5:28:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Not a problem for most of us anyways [5:28:10
  7743.  
  7744. AM] xllgummybearxll: "Patience" [5:28:20 AM] bloxparadise_: He better get some patience then
  7745.  
  7746. -.- [5:28:23 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, no. The Point is that mojang wants more money and thats their
  7747.  
  7748. only other option as of now [5:28:56 AM] 9gigsofram: good point [5:29:05 AM] 9gigsofram: if
  7749.  
  7750. servers have less features [5:29:12 AM] 9gigsofram: realms will get more popular :P [5:29:33
  7751.  
  7752. AM] danstoogood: I think if everyone found about the real reason this is happening the rest of
  7753.  
  7754. the community would have a different opinon - don't you Erik? ;) [5:29:34 AM] Erik Broes:
  7755.  
  7756. VoxaDub: no, we made a system that filled a need people have -- it has nothing to do with any
  7757.  
  7758. other servers [5:29:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: If Mojang is just looking for money, there are so
  7759.  
  7760. many other routes unexplored. [5:30:04 AM] Erik Broes: we're not looking for money at all
  7761.  
  7762. [5:30:21 AM] VoxaDub: How, can you not say that all these new changes are ultimately to promote
  7763.  
  7764. realms? [5:30:27 AM] Erik Broes: we just dont want the game to turn into a pay-to-
  7765.  
  7766. win/microtransaction crapfest [5:30:27 AM] xllgummybearxll: mhm [5:30:50 AM] bloxparadise_:
  7767.  
  7768. then give us realms for free [5:31:16 AM] VoxaDub: If they're not looking for money why would
  7769.  
  7770. they care about servers making money then? [5:31:23 AM] danstoogood: not for free. [5:31:26 AM]
  7771.  
  7772. danstoogood: for the price it costs them. [5:31:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Why? [5:31:31 AM] Erik
  7773.  
  7774. Broes: Because realms is a super simple 'single-player-but-on-a-server-with-your-friends-
  7775.  
  7776. without-mods' experience for 'at most' 10 people pure vanilla [5:31:33 AM] danstoogood: surely
  7777.  
  7778. that'd be acceptable [5:31:34 AM] VoxaDub: And how convinent for it to come up right as realms
  7779.  
  7780. is starting out. [5:32:01 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: as i said before, i brought it up 7months
  7781.  
  7782. ago -- we have EULA changes in the pipeline for 7 months as well [5:32:03 AM] VoxaDub: Its been
  7783.  
  7784. pay2win since multiplayer was realeased.... [5:32:09 AM] Erik Broes: ones that are far more
  7785.  
  7786. drastic than the new ones [5:32:15 AM | Edited 5:32:19 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and that makes
  7787.  
  7788. it good how? [5:32:20 AM] bloxparadise_: yet it costs money [5:32:24 AM] VoxaDub: Ever since
  7789.  
  7790. servers started up with enjin store it has been [5:33:27 AM] VoxaDub: Ok but if mojang doesnt
  7791.  
  7792. care about money why are they worried about updating the EULA then? It was pay2win far before 7
  7793.  
  7794. months ago wouldnt you agree? [5:33:28 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:31 AM] Amir Omidi: <<< No one is
  7795.  
  7796. "forcing" players to pay.nobody is even forcing them to play for that matter [5:33:34 AM] Erik
  7797.  
  7798. Broes: Amir: no-one is forcing servers to ask for payments, we even have this EULA stating you
  7799.  
  7800. cannot do that [5:33:53 AM] VoxaDub: I never said pay2win was good, its just a part of servers
  7801.  
  7802. now its expected and accepted. [5:34:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: mineplex got 70 GBPS [5:34:22 AM]
  7803.  
  7804. aa2202aa2202: ddos [5:34:54 AM] VoxaDub: Well there are a few servers where you must donate to
  7805.  
  7806. play [5:35:11 AM] Erik Broes: voxadub: yeah and because of this 'now it is accepted and
  7807.  
  7808. expected' -- that exactly is what makes us change it [5:35:38 AM] 9gigsofram: it wasnt the
  7809.  
  7810. bandwidth that causd the problem [5:35:41 AM] 9gigsofram: but the content [5:35:52 AM]
  7811.  
  7812. 9gigsofram: was a ssyn flood [5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one threatened to ddos mojang
  7813.  
  7814. [5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: .? [5:36:46 AM] 9gigsofram: udp floods generally go unnoticed on
  7815.  
  7816. incapsula and alot of simular providers as they drop it [5:36:50 AM] 9gigsofram: since websites
  7817.  
  7818. and scuh dont need it [5:36:56 AM] Erik Broes: oh people have :P [5:36:58 AM] Erik Broes: lots
  7819.  
  7820. of time ;) [5:37:01 AM] 9gigsofram: [5:36 AM] Amir: <<< No-one threatened to ddos mojang .?
  7821.  
  7822. [5:37:02 AM] Erik Broes: (and they do) [5:37:06 AM] 9gigsofram: i suggested that it could
  7823.  
  7824. happen [5:37:10 AM] 9gigsofram: a while ago [5:37:10 AM] bloxparadise_: @Erik [5:37:11 AM]
  7825.  
  7826. bloxparadise_: http://store.gtamc.net/category/255227 [5:37:11 AM] bloxparadise_: xD [5:37:16
  7827.  
  7828. AM] bloxparadise_: i bet they made 100k off of kits alone lool [5:37:33 AM] 9gigsofram: but i
  7829.  
  7830. assume mojang takes the same attitude as me [5:37:40 AM] 9gigsofram: "i do not negotiate with
  7831.  
  7832. terrorists" [5:37:46 AM] bloxparadise_: why does that bother you [5:38:38 AM] Erik Broes:
  7833.  
  7834. Because it is $100k spent on items that belong to the users already; they have paid for them by
  7835.  
  7836. buying the game [5:38:52 AM] VoxaDub: Well I guess I better get my youtube going [5:39:04 AM]
  7837.  
  7838. calebmerridethbell: http://prntscr.com/3pdink any help? [5:39:11 AM] calebmerridethbell: Keeps
  7839.  
  7840. giving http://prntscr.com/3pdiee [5:39:14 AM] Erik Broes: you do not get to resell IP that
  7841.  
  7842. users already paid for [5:39:14 AM] bloxparadise_: they bought the game not extra items bro
  7843.  
  7844. [5:39:15 AM] Erik Broes: cannot be that hard to understand that [5:39:19 AM] ileetgamerx:
  7845.  
  7846. (facepalm) [5:39:22 AM] bloxparadise_: if I remove my donation system [5:39:27 AM]
  7847.  
  7848. bloxparadise_: I have a shop system [5:39:27 AM] bloxparadise_: with signs [5:39:41 AM]
  7849.  
  7850. bloxparadise_: isn't that the same thing? [5:39:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^^^^^^^ [5:39:50 AM]
  7851.  
  7852. aa2202aa2202: l0l [5:39:57 AM] aa2202aa2202: No seriously though [5:40:04 AM] aa2202aa2202:
  7853.  
  7854. just wait out and see how mojang enforces these changes [5:40:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: there
  7855.  
  7856. are no 'extra items' [5:40:32 AM] VoxaDub: But I thought the entire goal of minecraft was to
  7857.  
  7858. support development? And why would you take time to make awesome servers like that, that are
  7859.  
  7860. custom developed not to thicken your pocket? [5:41:02 AM] bloxparadise_: ^ [5:41:30 AM | Edited
  7861.  
  7862. 5:41:35 AM] VoxaDub: Theres not 'extra items' on donation stores? [5:41:58 AM] VoxaDub: Its all
  7863.  
  7864. stuff you can do just ingame essentially [5:41:58 AM] Erik Broes: huh? the goal of minecraft to
  7865.  
  7866. support development? that makes no sense [5:42:03 AM] VoxaDub: for the most part at least
  7867.  
  7868. [5:42:22 AM] bloxparadise_: neither does your stupid ass eula [5:42:35 AM] Reno Philibert |
  7869.  
  7870. MineDesign: Erik are you done talking yet [5:42:55 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Could we at
  7871.  
  7872. least have our final moments with server profits be peaceful [5:42:56 AM] 9gigsofram: is it
  7873.  
  7874. differant if they can earn the items ingame? [5:43:16 AM] Erik Broes: blox: feel free to grow
  7875.  
  7876. up :) [5:43:24 AM] bloxparadise_: lool [5:43:48 AM] VoxaDub: Sorry worded odd, meant to say
  7877.  
  7878. that a large part of minecraft was the development side of it, and mojang initially supporting
  7879.  
  7880. it such as mods and new server gamemodes and such and with the new enforced EULA's that wont be
  7881.  
  7882. nearly as much of a possibility [5:43:53 AM] bloxparadise_: im 15, not ready for that yet
  7883.  
  7884. [5:44:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys [5:44:19 AM] VoxaDub: @Reno yup, yup, yup.... [5:44:31 AM] Erik
  7885.  
  7886. Broes: blox: but you can read right? so you must be able to read the EULA? :D [5:44:46 AM] Erik
  7887.  
  7888. Broes: not will we ever [5:44:59 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we *never* supported mods of any
  7889.  
  7890. sorts [5:45:01 AM] VoxaDub: Well hopefully we at least get the summer :P [5:45:05 AM] Erik
  7891.  
  7892. Broes: and there are no 'new server game modes' -- people added minigames -- that's it [5:45:07
  7893.  
  7894. AM] bloxparadise_: yeh I can read it but it's still stupid as fuck [5:45:20 AM] VoxaDub: Erik
  7895.  
  7896. was it not encouraged though?.... [5:45:39 AM] Erik Broes: yeah i agree, its stupid as fuck
  7897.  
  7898. that eventhough the EULA says you cannot make money you start making money of it [5:45:41 AM]
  7899.  
  7900. ileetgamerx: The stupidity that I just read... (facepalm) [5:45:41 AM] VoxaDub: Thats like a
  7901.  
  7902. huge aspect of minecraft [5:45:50 AM] Erik Broes: i mean that is as stupid as spending the
  7903.  
  7904. money from a paypal 'donation' before the contestation period is over [5:45:54 AM] VoxaDub:
  7905.  
  7906. Mainly a large reason why it got so popular [5:46:07 AM | Edited 5:46:35 AM] Reno Philibert |
  7907.  
  7908. MineDesign: ONE MAJOR RULE The one major rule is that you must not distribute anything we‘ve
  7909.  
  7910. made. By “distribute anything we‘ve made” what we mean is “give copies of the game away, make
  7911.  
  7912. commercial use of, try to make money from, or let other people get access to our game and its
  7913.  
  7914. parts in a way that is unfair or unreasonable”. So the one major rule is that (unless we
  7915.  
  7916. specifically agree it – such as in brand and asset usage guidelines) you must not: - give
  7917.  
  7918. copies of our Game to anyone else; - make commercial use of anything we‘ve made; - try to make
  7919.  
  7920. money from anything we‘ve made; or - let other people get access to anything we‘ve made in a
  7921.  
  7922. way that is unfair or unreasonable. …and so that we are crystal clear, what we have made
  7923.  
  7924. includes, but is not limited to, the client or the server software for our Game. It also
  7925.  
  7926. includes modified versions of a Game, part of it or anything else we‘ve made. Otherwise we are
  7927.  
  7928. quite relaxed about what you do - in fact we really encourage you to do cool stuff - but just
  7929.  
  7930. don‘t do those things that we say you can‘t. [5:46:11 AM] wavemakerhse: erik what was that
  7931.  
  7932. whole modding panel at minecon about? [5:46:25 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we didn't not let you
  7933.  
  7934. do it as many other games did [5:46:35 AM] VoxaDub: Because it was one of the first games to be
  7935.  
  7936. truly open source for the most part that allowed freedom to the players to create it as they
  7937.  
  7938. wanted [5:46:37 AM] wavemakerhse: the community is what made minecraft minecraft. and the
  7939.  
  7940. community decided to innovate [5:46:41 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then mojang decides to kill it
  7941.  
  7942. [5:47:17 AM] 9gigsofram: erik [5:47:21 AM] Erik Broes: x_Height: about what modders do with the
  7943.  
  7944. game? doesn't mean we support it in any official capacity [5:47:28 AM] 9gigsofram: put the eula
  7945.  
  7946. change out after you put out the modding api [5:47:41 AM] 9gigsofram: (rofl) [5:47:41 AM]
  7947.  
  7948. wavemakerhse: and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just
  7949.  
  7950. because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell [5:47:46 AM] Erik
  7951.  
  7952. Broes: VoxaDub: we've never been opensource -- we haven't cracked down on people decompiling
  7953.  
  7954. the game and changing it -- the rules around this never have changed though [5:47:58 AM] Reno
  7955.  
  7956. Philibert | MineDesign: You know, the more I look at Mojang's logo, the more it looks like they
  7957.  
  7958. took the Apple logo and messed with it [5:48:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: so never? we're not
  7959.  
  7960. doing a modding api [5:48:08 AM] VoxaDub: Im really confused to be hones, you seem to be going
  7961.  
  7962. two sided on a lot of things. [5:48:18 AM] bloxparadise_: ^^^^^ [5:48:52 AM] VoxaDub: Erik: I
  7963.  
  7964. meant opensource in broader terms, more for modding and server plugin wise [5:48:56 AM]
  7965.  
  7966. ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] x_Height | Ethan: <<< and this is what we have created. Now if you want
  7967.  
  7968. to take that from us just because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant
  7969.  
  7970. as hell^^^^^^^ [5:49:38 AM | Edited 5:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:48 AM] Leet: <<< and this is
  7971.  
  7972. what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we have begun to make
  7973.  
  7974. more money than you. than your arrogant as hell^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [5:50:32 AM]
  7975.  
  7976. bloxparadise_: lies [5:50:35 AM] 9gigsofram: correct [5:50:50 AM] VoxaDub: I somewhat doubt
  7977.  
  7978. theres any server owners out there that have made more than mojang. [5:51:06 AM] VoxaDub: I
  7979.  
  7980. dont recall any server owner managing to make around 500mil or more off his/her server [5:51:27
  7981.  
  7982. AM] Erik Broes: Reno: its like a sewing machine :P [5:51:46 AM] Erik Broes: we dont make $500M
  7983.  
  7984. of our server either :P [5:52:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: I dont think any of us make 500 Million
  7985.  
  7986. [5:52:20 AM] nextinlinebro_: lol [5:52:24 AM] dillyg10: I do [5:52:26 AM] wavemakerhse:
  7987.  
  7988. voxadub, I was talking about everyone in general [5:52:39 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah I was referring to
  7989.  
  7990. game sales on all platforms [5:53:01 AM] bloxparadise_: ./eco reset hypixel [5:53:02 AM |
  7991.  
  7992. Edited 5:53:06 AM] bloxparadise_: happy? [5:53:23 AM] bloxparadise_: if I made 500 million I
  7993.  
  7994. wouldn't be here arguing [5:54:10 AM] wavemakerhse: XD\ [5:54:36 AM] VoxaDub: x_height, I still
  7995.  
  7996. highly doubt all servers pooled together it would be more than what mojang made [5:54:50 AM]
  7997.  
  7998. ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] Erik Broes: <<< 9gigsofram: so never? we're not doing a modding
  7999.  
  8000. api..What made you guys decide to not work on the mod api? [5:55:04 AM] bloxparadise_: doubt it
  8001.  
  8002. also [5:55:16 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and still any server making anything through sales is
  8003.  
  8004. wrong [5:55:21 AM] Erik Broes: which is almost every server :) [5:55:36 AM] Erik Broes: Leet:
  8005.  
  8006. plugin api? :P [5:55:57 AM] bloxparadise_: how is it wrong [5:56:00 AM] dillyg10: You know, I
  8007.  
  8008. think I agree with Erik in the new EULA [5:56:16 AM] wavemakerhse: how is it wrong? [5:56:21
  8009.  
  8010. AM] bloxparadise_: the fuck [5:56:36 AM] danstoogood: Erik [5:56:38 AM] VoxaDub: Without the
  8011.  
  8012. EULA though how is it 'wrong'? [5:56:41 AM] ileetgamerx: No, the mod api, that you talked about
  8013.  
  8014. here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTl3aWEvEA [5:56:42 AM] danstoogood: what happened to
  8015.  
  8016. your server? :O [5:56:46 AM] danstoogood: is it still out there? :O [5:56:50 AM] Erik Broes:
  8017.  
  8018. Dan: yes i think so -- havent been there for eons though [5:56:55 AM] Erik Broes: think it
  8019.  
  8020. shrunk a bit :) [5:57:27 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: i never talked about a mod api [5:57:32 AM]
  8021.  
  8022. dillyg10: Server owerns have gotten greedy [5:57:36 AM | Edited 5:57:45 AM] dillyg10: It's time
  8023.  
  8024. to make a change [5:58:03 AM | Edited 5:58:11 AM] wavemakerhse: Please respond to the question
  8025.  
  8026. erik. What is wrong with us making money off of minecraft [5:58:18 AM] Erik Broes: ^^ :D
  8027.  
  8028. [5:58:19 AM] VoxaDub: So has mojang? So hows it any different? [5:58:20 AM] bloxparadise_: HOW
  8029.  
  8030. [5:58:32 AM] bloxparadise_: how much did he pay you [5:58:47 AM] danstoogood: Erik could you
  8031.  
  8032. link us to the server? [5:58:54 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, looking at the back and forth here
  8033.  
  8034. [5:58:57 AM] danstoogood: or atleast provide us with the name? [5:59:03 AM] Erik Broes: how on
  8035.  
  8036. earth have we gotten greedy? [5:59:04 AM] dillyg10: No wonder he's taking away your profit
  8037.  
  8038. [5:59:10 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: tweakcraft.net iirc [5:59:13 AM] dillyg10: You all act like a
  8039.  
  8040. bunch of dicks to him [5:59:31 AM] VoxaDub: Dilly do you even run a server? [5:59:37 AM]
  8041.  
  8042. dillyg10: If THIS is what is representing the server owner community [5:59:45 AM] Drew: Erik
  8043.  
  8044. sounds like a 12yr old troll [5:59:47 AM] dillyg10: Then I can totally understand why Mojang
  8045.  
  8046. wants to do what it's doing [5:59:56 AM] bloxparadise_: hey we tried talking to him but he's
  8047.  
  8048. too busy learning swedish or whatever the fuck it was [6:00:15 AM] VoxaDub: How am I acting
  8049.  
  8050. like a dick? I'm having a civil argument. [6:00:23 AM] danstoogood: ouch Erik [6:00:28 AM]
  8051.  
  8052. dillyg10: I do Voxa [6:00:28 AM] danstoogood: your server offers VIP [6:00:28 AM] danstoogood:
  8053.  
  8054. http://www.tweakcraft.net/donate [6:00:43 AM] danstoogood: Access to the VIP forum Access to
  8055.  
  8056. the Survival world (without a separate request via forum) Participation in VIP meetings More
  8057.  
  8058. teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, / tpforward TNT arrows using / tnta
  8059.  
  8060. Sponges also work on lava [6:01:08 AM] VoxaDub: lol.... [6:01:38 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:00 AM]
  8061.  
  8062. Amir Omidi: <<< You're making money off of someone elses workI thoght someone building
  8063.  
  8064. something or someone making a plugin or a mod was their own work?.. [6:01:49 AM] danstoogood:
  8065.  
  8066. you call it a donation [6:01:55 AM] danstoogood: but I thought you were offering all of that
  8067.  
  8068. [6:02:02 AM] danstoogood: it's a purchase then, SURELY? [6:02:20 AM] danstoogood: THIS
  8069.  
  8070. HYPOCRISY IS INCREDIBLE [6:02:38 AM] bloxparadise_: this chat is giving me cancer [6:02:39 AM]
  8071.  
  8072. *** bloxparadise_ has left *** [6:02:53 AM] Erik Broes: dan that was different when I was still
  8073.  
  8074. involved; they'd also have to change [6:03:36 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: so they are not 'ingame' --
  8075.  
  8076. that is the part tha matters [6:03:49 AM] Erik Broes: you can sell whatever the fuck you want
  8077.  
  8078. -- but it has nothing to do with our game and shouldn;t be reflected in it [6:04:53 AM]
  8079.  
  8080. VoxaDub: Idea: Mojang makes the next mineplex makes 1mil per month everyones happy [6:05:10 AM
  8081.  
  8082. | Edited 6:05:54 AM] danstoogood: we are ripping people off - when Mojang is charging £8 a
  8083.  
  8084. month for a 20 slot server Erik accuses us of mispresenting information -
  8085.  
  8086. http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet a server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO
  8087.  
  8088. payment option for VIP that they call a donation, phaa we're using Mojang's "platform" to make
  8089.  
  8090. money which is apparently so different to them using oracles platform to make money all of
  8091.  
  8092. these changes Erik is stating is purely his opinion, and he's breaking the EULA himself (yes,
  8093.  
  8094. he's an employee too!?!?!) [6:05:20 AM] Erik Broes: no because its not about the money VoxaDub
  8095.  
  8096. [6:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: *WAS* an adminisrtator [6:05:52 AM] danstoogood: seems you're
  8097.  
  8098. still listed there [6:05:57 AM] VoxaDub: Worth a shot :P [6:05:58 AM] Erik Broes: i havent done
  8099.  
  8100. anything with that server since 6-7 months after Bukkit started orso [6:06:00 AM] danstoogood:
  8101.  
  8102. I thought the EULA was always like that? [6:06:04 AM] danstoogood: as you yourself said
  8103.  
  8104. [6:06:11 AM] Erik Broes: yes, listed because they are proud i was there once upon a time
  8105.  
  8106. [6:06:20 AM] Erik Broes: i have no rights at all, 'old furniture' it is :P [6:06:21 AM]
  8107.  
  8108. danstoogood: but Erik, the EULA has always been like that [6:06:32 AM] VoxaDub: Then how is it
  8109.  
  8110. up to date? Has 1.7 really been out that long? o.O [6:06:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: Are you going
  8111.  
  8112. to charge us to make single player worlds next? :P [6:07:38 AM] Erik Broes: Dan and 'back in my
  8113.  
  8114. time' we just had the donations open for 2 days and got enough money to fund the server for
  8115.  
  8116. another 9 months [6:07:59 AM] danstoogood: "After a fundraiser there by the various members put
  8117.  
  8118. together enough money to hire." [6:08:07 AM] danstoogood: seems you actually needed a
  8119.  
  8120. fundraiser [6:08:14 AM] danstoogood: and you still offered various pay to win perks [6:08:21
  8121.  
  8122. AM] danstoogood: including a private world - WOW [6:08:27 AM] Erik Broes: Gummy: we're not
  8123.  
  8124. charging for anything -- neither should you :P [6:08:58 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: I can repeat it
  8125.  
  8126. once more -- i *USED* to admin on that server a long long long time ago [6:09:12 AM]
  8127.  
  8128. 9gigsofram: erik you have an unfair advantage [6:09:17 AM] 9gigsofram: and that was a differant
  8129.  
  8130. time anyway :P [6:09:45 AM] *** VoxaDub added bloxparadise_ *** [6:09:55 AM] Erik Broes: Dan:
  8131.  
  8132. things were different back then -- though they'd still fall under the 'wrong' category; we gave
  8133.  
  8134. away yellow nicks for the people who donated [6:10:32 AM] danstoogood: [6:00 AM] Dan: <<<
  8135.  
  8136. Access to the VIP forum Access to the Survival world (without a separate request via forum)
  8137.  
  8138. Participation in VIP meetings More teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, /
  8139.  
  8140. tpforward TNT arrows using / tnta Sponges also work on lava [6:10:38 AM] danstoogood: you
  8141.  
  8142. literally sectioned off VIPs from the normal players [6:10:39 AM] ngusox: welcome back i missed
  8143.  
  8144. u [6:10:41 AM] danstoogood: now if that isn't pay to win [6:10:58 AM] ngusox:
  8145.  
  8146. http://putin2stronk.com/ [6:10:59 AM] Erik Broes: I'm actually quite ok with things like a
  8147.  
  8148. nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet in the lobby' -- however it's super hard to define
  8149.  
  8150. the grey area so its simpler to simply say no in general [6:11:11 AM] xllgummybearxll: Your not
  8151.  
  8152. charging for anything? You make others pay £8 a month like Dan said just for a 20 slot server
  8153.  
  8154. [6:11:18 AM] danstoogood: so you are ok with that? [6:11:19 AM] bloxparadise_: i got chemo
  8155.  
  8156. [6:11:24 AM] danstoogood: earlier you told me $5 for a color name was terrible [6:11:35 AM]
  8157.  
  8158. youaresohistory1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvU8fJCg834#t=62 [6:11:37 AM] Erik Broes:
  8159.  
  8160. Dan: i think it is -- and i'm not ok with that nor involved with that server for a long time :)
  8161.  
  8162. [6:12:12 AM] VoxaDub: so simple.... :/ [6:12:46 AM] danstoogood: [6:10 AM] Erik Broes: <<< I'm
  8163.  
  8164. actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet in the lobby'
  8165.  
  8166. [6:12:52 AM] danstoogood: but you think it is terrible [6:12:55 AM] danstoogood: OOOKKKK
  8167.  
  8168. [6:14:33 AM] ileetgamerx: Erik can you explain what you are and aren't ok with, if you
  8169.  
  8170. explained it before I missed it. [6:14:44 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: no, others think that, but it's
  8171.  
  8172. impossible to define the gray area [6:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: can't sell items, but can sell
  8173.  
  8174. perks [6:15:17 AM] 9gigsofram: that is less grey :P [6:15:17 AM] Erik Broes: Amir when our
  8175.  
  8176. client is involved so is the EULA [6:15:28 AM] 9gigsofram: perks come from pluigns / mods
  8177.  
  8178. generally [6:16:13 AM] bloxparadise_: what if I sold a block of stone, and that stone was named
  8179.  
  8180. "sexy block" [6:16:16 AM] bloxparadise_: it wouldn't be stone [6:16:19 AM] bloxparadise_: it'd
  8181.  
  8182. be sexy block :D [6:16:37 AM] 9gigsofram: i didnt agree to this eula while installing minecraft
  8183.  
  8184. :O [6:16:45 AM] ileetgamerx: So we cannot sell items from Minecraft, but we can sell a rank
  8185.  
  8186. that contains perks from our own plugins that we made? Example: Join full game servers for a
  8187.  
  8188. game plugin I made but NOT selling a diamond sword? [6:17:02 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:16 AM] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
  8189.  
  8190. bloxParadise_ | Public Skype: <<< what if I sold a block of stone, and that stone was named
  8191.  
  8192. "sexy block" it wouldn't be stone it'd be sexy block :DLOL [6:17:09 AM] bloxparadise_: no, erik
  8193.  
  8194. said he wants to stop all purchases [6:17:15 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: er on phone now so rather
  8195.  
  8196. not. But I short anything that doesn't change gameplay would be fine from my perspective.
  8197.  
  8198. [6:17:28 AM | Edited 6:17:33 AM] 9gigsofram: no he siad you cant sell anything [6:17:36 AM]
  8199.  
  8200. danstoogood: Erik, I get the feeling you're one of those people that wouldn't even accept a
  8201.  
  8202. voluntary donation for a beer [6:17:46 AM] danstoogood: and would rather donate it to charity
  8203.  
  8204. [6:17:56 AM] 9gigsofram: hmmm [6:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: I don't like beer, so no [6:18:05 AM]
  8205.  
  8206. xllgummybearxll: Kids don't have to donate. [6:18:09 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:17 AM] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) bloxParadise_ |
  8207.  
  8208. Public Skype: <<< no, erik said he wants to stop all purchases [6:11 AM] Erik Broes: <<< I'm
  8209.  
  8210. actually quite ok with things like a nick-color or something like that, or a 'pet in the lobby'
  8211.  
  8212. [6:18:19 AM] Erik Broes: Nah I don't do charity [6:18:25 AM] bloxparadise_: oh [6:18:33 AM]
  8213.  
  8214. ileetgamerx: [6:17 AM] Erik Broes: <<< Leet: er on phone now so rather not. But I short
  8215.  
  8216. anything that doesn't change gameplay would be fine from my perspective.What about hub perks,
  8217.  
  8218. such as flying, bypassing "Magic Clock" (Vanish players), etc? [6:18:36 AM] Erik Broes: I have
  8219.  
  8220. better ways to spend my money [6:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: so all we have to do is remove kits &
  8221.  
  8222. blocks [6:18:42 AM] bloxparadise_: you're confusing as shit [6:19:22 AM] bloxparadise_: im sure
  8223.  
  8224. players do to.. coughrealmscough [6:20:05 AM] Erik Broes: Blox: nothing has gone beyond the
  8225.  
  8226. meeting we had this morning. [6:20:25 AM] bloxparadise_: earlier you said you didn't want us to
  8227.  
  8228. even have purchases [6:20:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: See Erik, it's optional for people to donate.
  8229.  
  8230. They donate for perks and that is their option to buy them. You can't stop someone from making
  8231.  
  8232. a purchase on a server. [6:20:47 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: if you make a server that requires our
  8233.  
  8234. client to play on it you play by our rules [6:21:22 AM] Erik Broes: If you make your own server
  8235.  
  8236. and client... So your own game, you get to make your own rules. [6:21:41 AM] danstoogood: [6:04
  8237.  
  8238. AM] Dan: <<< we are ripping people off - when Mojang is charging £8 a month for a 20 slot
  8239.  
  8240. server Erik accuses us of mispresenting information - http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet
  8241.  
  8242. a server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO payment option for VIP that they call a
  8243.  
  8244. donation, phaa we're using Mojang's "platform" to make money which is apparently so different
  8245.  
  8246. to them using oracles platform to make money [6:21:43 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:19 AM] Leet: <<< What
  8247.  
  8248. about hub perks, such as flying, bypassing "Magic Clock" (Vanish players), etc? [6:21:46 AM]
  8249.  
  8250. danstoogood: just consider that [6:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Blox: that was the gist of the meeting
  8251.  
  8252. indeed [6:22:04 AM] bloxparadise_: your rules are shit tho bb [6:22:19 AM] danstoogood: js, if
  8253.  
  8254. this is ever taken to another level [6:22:24 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: no paying money for anything
  8255.  
  8256. ingame [6:22:25 AM] danstoogood: Erik has also broken the EULA [6:22:38 AM] danstoogood: ;)
  8257.  
  8258. [6:22:53 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: yup [6:23:05 AM] xllgummybearxll: I agree with Dan. You said you
  8259.  
  8260. weren't asking for money [6:23:08 AM] Erik Broes: Once upon a time I indeed [6:23:18 AM]
  8261.  
  8262. ileetgamerx: T________________________________T you just said a hub pet or a colored name was
  8263.  
  8264. ok [6:23:23 AM] bloxparadise_: realy? you said a colored name was ok [6:23:30 AM]
  8265.  
  8266. bloxparadise_: what the fuck are you on m8? [6:24:03 AM] danstoogood: so Erik can we discuss
  8267.  
  8268. this with another representative of Mojang? [6:24:07 AM] danstoogood: as you're only stating
  8269.  
  8270. your opinion [6:24:48 AM] dillyg10: I say [6:24:51 AM] dillyg10: New EULA [6:25:00 AM]
  8271.  
  8272. dillyg10: = [6:25:05 AM] dillyg10: Happier Minecraft [6:25:20 AM] Erik Broes: So would anyone
  8273.  
  8274. else until it is in the EULA [6:25:41 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:24 AM] Dan: <<< so Erik can we
  8275.  
  8276. discuss this with another representative of Mojang? as you're only stating your
  8277.  
  8278. opinionHopefully someone who knows what they're talking about and doesn't change their mind
  8279.  
  8280. every other message. [6:25:42 AM] Erik Broes: Mmm bedtime! [6:25:52 AM] bloxparadise_: ^
  8281.  
  8282. [6:26:39 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: I got an F on one of my practical assignments for my
  8283.  
  8284. Photography final [6:26:44 AM] danstoogood: ah [6:26:51 AM] danstoogood: seems Erik can't add
  8285.  
  8286. another member of staff [6:26:54 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Apparently bricks aren't
  8287.  
  8288. repetition [6:29:22 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: My English professor gave me a 0 on my
  8289.  
  8290. final, portfolio and oral presentation [6:29:32 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: wtf is wrong
  8291.  
  8292. with these peopel [6:33:11 AM] youaresohistory1: Is the war over? [6:35:17 AM]
  8293.  
  8294. youaresohistory1: http://i.imgur.com/GSNKcwD.png Add me if interested [6:37:09 AM | Removed
  8295.  
  8296. 6:38:59 AM] wavemakerhse: This message has been removed. [6:38:05 AM] VoxaDub: ^ [6:38:13 AM]
  8297.  
  8298. xllgummybearxll: Can we atleast be respectful [6:38:24 AM] bloxparadise_: no [6:38:56 AM]
  8299.  
  8300. youaresohistory1: THERE ARE NO RULES IN WAR. [6:39:07 AM] xllgummybearxll: Ok [6:39:12 AM]
  8301.  
  8302. wavemakerhse: sorry [6:39:16 AM] wavemakerhse: XD [6:39:23 AM] bloxparadise_: lolol [6:40:31
  8303.  
  8304. AM] youaresohistory1: Regardlesss, since you guys all think this guy is stubborn as fuck,
  8305.  
  8306. there's really no point trying to change his mind. Right? [6:41:25 AM] bloxparadise_: no
  8307.  
  8308. [6:41:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: It'd be amazing to get anther employee in here [6:42:15 AM]
  8309.  
  8310. bloxparadise_: ikr [6:42:43 AM] dillyg10: I agree [6:42:49 AM] dillyg10: OH DINNERBONE [6:42:53
  8311.  
  8312. AM] dillyg10: WE CALL UPON THE [6:42:59 AM] danstoogood: you guys do understand what Erik is
  8313.  
  8314. doing, right? :P [6:43:34 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:11:53 PM Gummy] It'd be amazing
  8315.  
  8316. to get anther employee in here That will never hapopened xD Grum does'nt want other mojangers
  8317.  
  8318. to see how badly he represents their company [6:43:42 AM] bloxparadise_: FUCK YOU [6:43:44 AM]
  8319.  
  8320. bloxparadise_: I DONT WANT DINNERBONE IN HERE [6:43:47 AM] VoxaDub: *KHA KHA* Dinnerbone
  8321.  
  8322. summoning call [6:44:16 AM] danstoogood: Marc_IRL said it himself, "People could have stayed
  8323.  
  8324. cool about it" whereas "the ones that are yelling and screaming about it are the ones that will
  8325.  
  8326. force some sort of a decision to be made" [6:44:29 AM] danstoogood: "Nothing has been changed,
  8327.  
  8328. nothing new has been enforced."
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