Type Me Ozymandias

Lady Lavender08/08/2019
@Ozymandias here ya go

Ozymandias08/08/2019
Thank you. So Im unsure about my mbti type. (Also I may wont be the fastest responder today)
:eyes:

Lady Lavender08/08/2019
Alrighty, I can go getcha a questionnaire
https://www.typologycentral.com/forums/what-s-my-type-/98380-questionnaire-fill.html
New Questionnaire To Fill Out!
Another Krayfish questionnaire except this time, I haven't filled it out (yet)! I've filled out a ton of questionnaires and typed a lot of people, and
What's making you unsure?

Ozymandias08/08/2019
Im unsure if Im ENTJ or INTJ. How do I fill this questionnarie?

Lady Lavender08/08/2019
You can just copy and paste the questions here. Or make a doc

Ozymandias08/08/2019
Okay. I wont do it immadietly now though. Is there any kind of time limit?

Lady Lavender08/08/2019
Nah

OzymandiasLast Monday at 7:14 AM
Hey, just for the record Im writing my answers simply I was busy so it delays.

Lady LavenderLast Monday at 7:34 AM
It's all good

OzymandiasLast Monday at 4:53 PM
1) Context:
a) What is your age range and general location (Country so that cultural values can be taken into account)? Do you have any impairments that may affect the way that you answer this questionnaire? Any religious or political beliefs (or anything else along those lines) that also might have an effect?
Im 20 years old male from Hungary and an atheist.

b) Which types are you currently considering? Why are you considering them and why haven’t you decided on one?
ENTJ and INTJ. I used to be sure about being introvert (social anxiety I used to have and lack of knowledge on mbti didnt help) but its actually not so sure.

2) What do you deem as your purpose in life?
To be the best version of myself, to have a good career, to have a family, to be a good leader of people who rely on me (whether they are family or employees), to leave some kind of legacy.

3) Of the seven deadly sins, which one(s) do you relate to the most and the least and why?
Most:
-anger: I used to have some anger issues when I was younger because I couldnt deal with my emotions in a healthy way. And generally certain things can piss me off, nowadays too, though I can mostly control my anger more.
-pride: I can be prideful at times, like I dont want to be viewed as weak, etc.

Least:
-gluttony: I have serious goals in workout so I dont really eat too much or too bad food, only occasionally maybe. I believe it also improves mental strength if you are able to get over unhealthy habits like this.
-sloth: Not gonna lie, of course there are times when I "dont feel like" doing things, but generally if I dont do anything for too long, I become frustrated. Especially true for physical activity, if I stay idle for too long I go insane. Like I was ill for a week and didnt do anything, I felt better after I organized some things in the living room.
4) Analyzing your relationships with others, briefly describe:
a) The type of people you are drawn to:
Mature people who are decent, mostly. People who are not overly sensitive but are good people overall. Also I like people with a good attitude towards life.

b) The type of people who are drawn to you:
Dunno, I have many kind of friends

c) The type of people you are repulsed by:
Naive people, too immature people, lazy and inefficient people, malicious people (who are rude for the purpose of hurting others), snowflakes who think the world revolves around them and think everyone is obligated to validate their precious feelings...
5)What are the traits in others that you admire but you cannot emulate yourself? Elaborate.
Its hard to answer this. Maybe extraordinary creativity that some people have. Also there are people who just seem to have a library in their heads with full of interesting stuff, just for the sake of knowledge. I like their natural curiosity and objective attitude towards life. Although Im mostly satisfied with myself so its still hard to answer this question.

6) Describe your relationship with the following:
a) Anger: A negative feeling that I certanly cant avoid but I have to learn controlling it. In certain cases it even can be a good motivator.

b) Shame: ...dunno, it feels bad?

c) Fear: Unavoidable but its uncomfortable to show it outwardly. Eventhough it stops us to an extent, its also necessary. Without fear humanity would be doomed long time ago.

d) Love/passion: Great feeling that humans need, but experiencing love and expressing it is rather overwhelming.

e) Conflict: Something that shouldnt be avoided if its a necessary conflict, although I dont like unnecessary drama.
7) What are some of the themes that have played a prominent role in your life (ie. A struggle you’ve been unable to conquer, ect)?
I was bullied in primary school and had bad social anxiety. Its mostly gone but it still has some smaller consequences on my life that I have to conquer.

8) Answer only one of the following:
b)[Under college aged] What do you plan on studying/working as in the future? How did you go about deciding this? If this is not your ideal area of pursuit, what would be?
Psychology. I choose to study this because human nature is interesting, plus I can use its degree well. I also planned to do a training coach course simultaniously because it interests me and a good way of income while being in uni and possibly in the future, I could even see myself running a gym.
9) When meeting a new person, what do you tend to focus on?
Mostly details of their appearance and the way they carry themselves (voice tone, gestures, etc) then I make a conclusion/impression of it.

10) How do you feel about humanity as a whole? What do you feel are some of the biggest problems the human race faces and why?
Could be better, could be worse. People love to be edgy and say humanity is lost, but they ignore the good parts. Yes, there are many trash humans, but lol, there are also great humans and advancements. The biggest problem humanity faces is our own nature. For the record, I dont think human nature is inherently bad, but its bad parts certanly cause some issues.

11) What are some of your hobbies and interests?
My main hobby is workout, I will explain it in detail:
Firstly, there are the obvious health benefits that it gives me. Physical strength, stamina, strong immune system, stronger bones, longevity, better mental strength and health, stress and anger management, better appearance et cetera et cetera.
Secondly, setting goals in workout and fighting for them, and seeing its results is really satisfying. Its a sense of accomplishment.
Thirdly, there is something instinctively attractive and satisfying in the workout process itself. I love feeling powerful, I love being in the moment and exhausting myself physically while accomplishing my goal, etc.
If I dont workout for too long I go insane because I need physical activity both physically and mentally.
12) Is question 12 missing on a purpose?

13) How do you usually “hang out” with your friend(s)? When answering, think about what activities you tend to choose, whether you hang out with one person at once or many, whether or not you initiate the interaction.
During high school (I just finished high school) when I hanged out with my friends, we usually went to Budapest (we live close to it). I loved it because its a beautiful place with many positive stimulations, like lights at night, sounds (whether music or the sounds of the city) the visual of buildings... even some smells lol.

14) What is more important, actions or words? Why?
Actions, without doubt. You can talk as much as you want, nothing will happen if you dont take action. Though in some situations words can count as action, but you get the point.

15) Oh dear, you’ve been cursed by a witch! It’s ok though, you get a choice on which curse you will receive. Will you choose….
a) To never be able to experience the sensation of taste: The thing is, I like tastes, but this is the least necessary from the options, I choose to lose my taste.
b) To be immortal: nope, longevity is good, immortality is bad.
c) To lose your memories: I need some of them because I would have to relearn things, plus Im not the best in building intimate relationships so I wouldnt want to restart them lol.
d) To be poor for the rest of your life: Im not a greedy person but I need money to accomplish some of my goals.
e) Or to never experience passion: Obviously passion is necessary.
Elaborate on why!
16) What do you hope to avoid being? If it helps, describe a person who embodies what you avoid/you as a villain, ect.
I avoid being toxic and destructive (both towards myself and others). I avoid being overly emotional who completely lacks composure. I avoid being mentally and physically lazy, someone who doesnt put effort into things. I avoid being a passive person who is not in control of his life and enviroment.

17) How do you relate to obsession? Do you tend to "merge" with others or your interests? How do you feel about the idea of doing this?
Im not sure if I get the question well.... but Im quite obsessed with workout, if this counts as an answer, its an important part of my life.

18) Organized or messy? Plans and blueprints or impulse and surprises? What are you preferences and tendencies?
I dont really go with the flow. Although I usually dont make lists, I use some post-its. And I like to plan things in advance, though I dont always treat things as set in stone. For example if I hang out with friends, usually I am the one who plans things in advance, even if I can be flexible about it if necessary. Im certanly not messy, I cant stand chaos and mess.

19) How do you subjectively view comfort and how do you create comfort in your life and surroundings?
Comfort is necessary in one's life, although I avoid being "overly comfortable" (lazy). I create comfort in my enviroment by keeping things simple, mostly organized (although Im not obsessed with keeping my stuff organised/at the same place, but I dont like mess). Also to be comfortable I like to plan things myself
Here you go @Lady Lavender

Lady LavenderLast Monday at 5:14 PM
I think ENTJ is good
Perhaps you feel I but I see more Se than Fi
I will see what others think though

OzymandiasLast Monday at 5:15 PM
Sure.

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 6:22 AM
:eyes:

raskolLast Tuesday at 12:32 PM
!estj

[!]OracleBOTLast Tuesday at 12:32 PM
ESTJ

Practical, realistic, matter-of-fact. Decisive, quickly move to implement decisions. Organize projects and people to get things done, focus on getting results in the most efficient way possible. Take care of routine details. Have a clear set of logical standards, systematically follow them and want others to also. Forceful in implementing their plans.

raskolLast Tuesday at 12:33 PM
!telead

[!]OracleBOTLast Tuesday at 12:33 PM
Te as Leading Function (LIE, LSE)

Extroverted logic as base function is manifested as a need to accumulate factual information, also from external sources such as books, second-hand information, etc, on matters of personal interest or of professional activity. This also gives these types confidence on being well-informed on the same matters, which enables them to enter arguments related to them with confidence on their knowledge, which may come across as arrogance to others. Another manifestation is an evaluation of external reality - work activities, world events, finances, procedures, personal relationships, conversations - from the point of view of factual accuracy and "making sense" and efficiency. It leads to an inclination to be proactive in increasing the efficiency and reasonableness of the external world, as well as a sense of self-worth connected on being involved and productive in activities seen as useful, profitable, or that increase one's knowledge base. To give out information that the individual knows not to be factually accurate is disturbing and avoided as much as possible.

raskolLast Tuesday at 12:33 PM
!sicrea

[!]OracleBOTLast Tuesday at 12:33 PM
Si as Creative Function

The individual is naturally good at organizing relaxing activities and recreation and making sure people are calm and enjoying themselves, but displays this behavior and skill when he sees a specific need for it rather than doing it automatically, all the time. The individual does not place emphasis on being calm and balanced all the time, as opposed to those with Si as a leading function.

The individual is attuned to people's tastes and personal preferences and likes to do things for or give things to friends and family members that will cause them to enjoy themselves and gain pleasure. For example, creating a comfortable, clean, and spacious setting in the home, taking them out to do something they enjoy, or finding opportunities and people with whom they can pursue their hobbies.

✧✶ɭน๓ιຖ❍นs✶✧Last Tuesday at 1:58 PM
For enneagram, I think 8 sp/so is possible. 836, I think, for tritype. Let's see if @EternallyBurntOut agrees.  :dogelaugh:

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 2:12 PM
Actually my enneagram is probably this @✧✶ɭน๓ιຖ❍นs✶✧. Though I look for mbti type here.

✧✶ɭน๓ιຖ❍นs✶✧Last Tuesday at 2:18 PM
Okay. :GWergShibWink: EternallyBurntOut may also have an opinion on that. What did you think of raskol's suggestion?
There is also a lovely server that does mbti typing linked to in #announcements

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 2:58 PM
ESTJ? I highly doubt it.
And thanks for the tip
Oh Im actually member of mbti dumplings, if you meant that.

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 3:30 PM
@raskol do you think I could be ESTJ?

raskolLast Tuesday at 3:34 PM
Yes. The focus on comfort/physical activity (Si) far outweighs anything relating to time/trends (Ni).
Te lead is correct, though.
But it regards frugal business logic rather than the investment approach.

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 3:48 PM
I still dont think Im ESTJ.
Im too sure about my NiSe.
Im curious what others think though.

Lord Lavender 🦄Last Tuesday at 4:06 PM
Hmmm I definitely see the Te Dom

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 4:15 PM
Well mostly thats what I was curious about so this typing is succesfull. Thank you.
Though, Im open to more inputs especially about me being ESTJ

Lady LavenderLast Tuesday at 4:16 PM
A lot of Te doms are ambiverted I have noticed

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 4:33 PM
Yep

EternallyBurntOutLast Tuesday at 4:55 PM
I agree with the 368 combo, probably 3w4 6w5 8w9 in some order, sp/so is also probably a good bet as well
Im not seeing 8 core though.  I’m particularly bad at pegging 8s in particular, so perhaps I’m missing it, but I’m not seeing the confrontational nature of 8 here, more focus on reason/competency/control
Could be wrong
Im going to agree with Te dom, Im not really getting a strong feel for perceiving function though.  I think I’m leaning with raskol on ESTJ though, there is a practical feel and a focus on the physical body/realm
Then again, I’m not going to pretend that I’m still out of practice with the mbti

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 5:04 PM
I think I simply have strong Se.

raskolLast Tuesday at 5:08 PM
ESTJ
4D: Te− | Se+
3D: Si− | Ti+
2D: Fe− | Ne+
1D: Ni− | Fi+
That "strong Se" (4D) works for ESTJ, but not for ENTJ.

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 5:12 PM
I know myself enough to tell Im not ESTJ.

Lady LavenderLast Tuesday at 5:15 PM
Elaborate?

OzymandiasLast Tuesday at 5:20 PM
Simply, NiSe is a lot more likely than SiNe, and people who know me closely (and have knowledge about functions) would agree too.

raskolLast Tuesday at 5:23 PM
Since it regards sensing, Se and Si follow suit. There is no way in which the information you presented above would point to Si PoLR.
ENTJ
4D: Te+ | Ne−
3D: Ni+ | Ti−
2D: Fe+ | Se−
1D: Si+ | Fi−

✧✶ɭน๓ιຖ❍นs✶✧Last Tuesday at 7:04 PM
Well, it's also best to keep in mind that raskol is talking socionics and Ozymandias MBTI, yes?

OzymandiasLast Wednesday at 3:24 AM
Yep

OzymandiasLast Wednesday at 6:18 AM
!nicrea

[!]OracleBOTLast Wednesday at 6:18 AM
Ni as Creative Function (EIE, LIE)

The individual likes to predict the further development of specific situations and topics that he is interested in. The individual applies his highly developed sense of vision not as an end in itself, but as a way of promoting the development of his more central interests and activities. After doing some observation the individual feels stretching and slowing down of intervals of time and receives flashes of insight into the workings of things. This allows individual to work with creatively with timing, knowing when to move forward and when to delay, however, he will mostly be perceptive of situations which need a delay and hesitate to move forward, sometimes missing opportunities which is are usually regrettable to him.

OzymandiasLast Wednesday at 8:04 AM
Well maybe it comes off differently from my answers, but Im sure about me using NiSe.

EternallyBurntOutLast Wednesday at 8:44 AM
I see
If you're certain of xNTJ then, I'd vote E
There's a tendency for Te doms in general to be seem more "introverted" then they are purely because the traditional relational focus of stereotypical extroversion isn't quite there, but Te is
Statistically speaking, most people who consider themselves ambiverted or near the middle of the I/E scale are typically extroverts, since extroverted descriptions are traditionally exaggerated (ie. They love people and want to be around them 24/7)

raskolLast Wednesday at 9:55 AM
@✧✶ɭน๓ιຖ❍นs✶✧ Whether you follow Beebe, Berens (MBTI) or Gulenko (socionics), there are still important distinctions to be considered. Someone who uses 4D Se ("strong Se") cannot simultaneously express 1D Si (PoLR or inferior). When one aspect (E or I) is emphasized, the other becomes a "background function" that is still relatively strong yet unconscious.

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 4:32 AM
Yeah, I still dont think Im ESTJ.
Are there any other suggestions?

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 12:26 PM
:eyes:

EternallyBurntOutLast Thursday at 12:55 PM
I think pretty much everyone agreed high Te/Te dom for you?

Lady LavenderLast Thursday at 12:57 PM
I thought Se because of being well attuned to his environment and love of physical activity(but I suppose the latter could be Si)

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 1:02 PM
Its not Si, trust me. And being this well attuned only came with age, it wasnt always automatical.

Lady LavenderLast Thursday at 1:04 PM
I was just thinking socionics
But yeah MBTI wise not very Si
Maybe that's development the environment thing hmm

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 1:06 PM
MBTI is what Im curious about.
Also the main goal was to find out if Im introvert or extrovert, and this is pretty clear now (since you all agreed). Thank you for your help.

Lady LavenderLast Thursday at 1:06 PM
Oh and when you talk about positive stimulations it makes me think Se
And you're welcome

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 1:08 PM
Everyone who talks to me often (and has knowledge about functions) agrees about my NiSe as well. And so I am.

EternallyBurntOutLast Thursday at 1:30 PM
It’s worth noting as well that mbti doesn’t always correlate with socionics super well.  A high Si user in socionics could, under the right circumstances, be Ni under the mbti umbrella do to the nature of the mbti
So if youre certain about Ni-Se in mbti, stick with it

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 1:50 PM
Sure, thanks for input.
If no one else has anything to say, I guess you can close this channel.

EternallyBurntOutLast Thursday at 2:08 PM
Sounds good, I’ll do that tommorow just in case anyone has anyone else has something to mention

OzymandiasLast Thursday at 4:50 PM
Sure.

Queen BlaireLast Thursday at 5:13 PM
I'm also leaning toward ESTJ tbh

OzymandiasToday at 8:53 AM
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