[13:30] [P] [Obror]:  [13:25] [Shazsuna]: So i did some snoopin' haha i see that the only you and one other guy is in the mythic roster atm, how many spots will you have available when you start pushing mythic?
 [13:30] [P] [Obror]:  [13:25] [Shazsuna]: Furthermore, i see you're using rlc and was just curious where that applies and how many people you have on lc
 [13:30] [P] [Obror]:  [13:30] [Shazsuna]: Don't want to bombard you with questions, i'm playing with a small group of friends and they're interested as long as we get a raid spot to prove ourselves like
 [13:37] To [Shazsuna]: No I am very sorry, I dont mean to ignore you
 [13:37] To [Shazsuna]: I just got my hands very full at the moment with people talking to me in all sorts of places
 [13:38] To [Shazsuna]: How many friends are we talking about and what do they play?
 [13:38] [Shazsuna]: No stress, i've been there haha. Take as long as you need
 [13:38] [Shazsuna]: DH/Warr tank, DH Havoc, Rogue
 [13:40] To [Shazsuna]: and the dh/warr tank isnt comfortable playing anything but tank?
 [13:41] [Shazsuna]: I mean, i can try pitch him the idea but he usually plays tank. It's somewhat unreasonable expecting to join a raid guild when the new tiers been out 3weeks~
 [13:42] To [Shazsuna]: would you mind letting me have a look at him?
 [13:42] [Shazsuna]: as a tank i mean. Myself and DH havoc is for definite
 [13:43] [Shazsuna]: Neebser is the havoc DH but he can also tank, i think he's 305 on kazzak for tanking
 [13:43] [Shazsuna]: Gougemedaddy is the rogue, rerolled
 [13:43] To [Shazsuna]: No I meant the warr/dh tank boy :>
 [13:45] [Shazsuna]: Elivier is his DH tank i believe
 [13:46] [Shazsuna]: also a reroll, he's playing that more cause of corruptions
 [13:47] [Shazsuna]: We're a triple leather group so we can just farm 14s and stack him with gear if that's an issue
 [13:47] To [Shazsuna]: No the thing is that right now, we dont know if we have a tank spot open or not
 [13:47] To [Shazsuna]: we need to speak to tank to see whats going on with his irl issues and stuff
 [13:48] To [Shazsuna]: so the problem right now is that I cant guarantee a tank spot
 [13:48] To [Shazsuna]: we have like 2-3 people currently dpsing raids when their desire is to tank
 [13:48] To [Shazsuna]: so idk how fair it would feel to your friend to make him do the same
 [13:49] [Shazsuna]: That's more than understandable, i'll try pitch him the idea of dpsing first before we decide on anything else
 [13:50] To [Shazsuna]: Now let me get to your actual questions that I have a moment to breathe lol
 [13:50] To [Shazsuna]: You said you only see me and one more guy in mythic roster and thats acurrate, because like I said we're a reformed guild like 10 friends and we have recruited the rest
 [13:51] To [Shazsuna]: done heroic for 2-2,5 weeks while recruiting
 [13:51] To [Shazsuna]: Me and Aphera pugged mythic when it was launched
 [13:51] To [Shazsuna]: Previously we have both always been in mythic raiding guilds
 [13:51] To [Shazsuna]: My own progress has been kind of shaky during bfa due to no one wanting holy priests
 [13:52] To [Shazsuna]: but have prior CE's
 [13:52] To [Shazsuna]: other people in the guild are from the guild Sanctum here on kazzak
 [13:52] To [Shazsuna]: which is normally a top 10 guild for server
 [13:53] To [Shazsuna]: so the people from there have previously raided at a very high level
 [13:53] To [Shazsuna]: and decided that they wanted to take a step back, raid more casually but still progress mythic
 [13:53] To [Shazsuna]: as sanctum raids 5 days per week, you can see how one would be overwhelmed
 [13:54] To [Shazsuna]: And as we have been working on the roster and recruiting still, we havent started mythic progress yet even though we easily could with current roster and potentially pug
 [13:54] [Shazsuna]: I see, makes sense
 [13:54] To [Shazsuna]: We have just decided that its more worth to us to build up a friendly and strong community within the guild, and get people who needed it curve and missing gear
 [13:56] To [Shazsuna]: So what I mean by that is that the core of the guild, the officers and raiders all have previous mythic experience at different levels and our goal is to raid mythic
 [13:56] To [Shazsuna]: and some of us have killed some bosses in this tier
 [13:56] To [Shazsuna]: regardless if it was in another guild, in a pug or on a different character
 [13:57] To [Shazsuna]: The officers havent 100% decided yet what next weeks plan is but it might be only doing last 2 on hc for example and then focus on mythic
 [13:57] To [Shazsuna]: or we might decide that another full heroic clear is needed for some people still, I couldnt tell you before having that discussion with the officers
 [13:57] To [Shazsuna]: however I do want to be transparent with you
 [13:57] To [Shazsuna]: rclootcouncil was up for debate as in whether to use or not
 [13:58] To [Shazsuna]: some people find it unnecessary and some people find it fair
 [13:58] [Shazsuna]: Alright cool, i appreciate you taking the time to explain your mindset really; will you be sticking with 2 raid days in the event you lot decide to prog mythic?
 [13:59] [Shazsuna]: ~ don't want to break your train of thought but i felt i needed to ask this while it's relevant
 [13:59] To [Shazsuna]: What we noticed is that while we are on a pretty tight schedule, it made more sense to let loot council handle loot distribution while the rest can keep clearing trash
 [14:00] To [Shazsuna]: rather than having people spamming chat with rolls for different items at the same time
 [14:00] To [Shazsuna]: which then caused them to afk and we'd lose time
 [14:00] To [Shazsuna]: as in doing proper personal loot just ended up not being time efficient whatsoever
 [14:00] To [Shazsuna]: currently we have 3 people on the loot council and the loot council cannot vote for themselves
 [14:01] To [Shazsuna]: We are a 2 day raiding guild so that will always be the intention, however if we see if fit and see that its worth - optional day might be added every now and then
 [14:02] To [Shazsuna]: the current raid times are heavily based on the gm's current internship alongside his work schedule, so I dont see us adding another mandatory day as we all wish to have 2 main raid days
 [14:03] To [Shazsuna]: although when his internship is over and his times more flexible it might be an idea to add maybe 1 hour
 [14:03] To [Shazsuna]: this is not something we have discussed properly nor planned
 [14:03] To [Shazsuna]: I am just being completely honest with you
 [14:04] To [Shazsuna]: and back to rc - We do not force people to give loot away
 [14:04] To [Shazsuna]: if you loot an item and you need it regardless if you are a trial or raider, you are always given the option to keep it
 [14:04] To [Shazsuna]: however most people will see guild needs above their own
 [14:05] To [Shazsuna]: I have this reset alone traded away almost every item I looted, even if I couldve scrapped it for personal gain or used in m+ or arena for tertiary stats, I feel that if its a minor upgrade to me as a healer and there are dps who also need for minor upgra
 [14:05] To [Shazsuna]: upgrade
 [14:06] To [Shazsuna]: of course it is more valued on a dps
 [14:06] To [Shazsuna]: so the rclootcouncil bit isnt as super serious as it sounds
 [14:06] To [Shazsuna]: its used with common sense, to handle loot distribution that would happen regardless smoother and more time efficient
 [14:07] To [Shazsuna]: if that makes sense?
 [14:07] [Shazsuna]: In terms of progression; i would have expected loot to be redistrubted in a mythic raiding guild to be honest; that's the type of raiding enviroment we're used to
 [14:08] [Shazsuna]: If we have the option to keep it assuming it's an actual upgrade i see that as a positive
 [14:08] [Shazsuna]: You've been extremely informative and helpful and pretty much answered all my questions; above and beyond what i felt comfortable asking to be frank
 [14:09] To [Shazsuna]: Yeah I have been in different guilds where it has been used differently
 [14:09] To [Shazsuna]: Like I said, most people are decent and have common sense and are commited to progress as a guild which means that giving away an item that isnt an upgrade for you is obviously the better choice
 [14:10] To [Shazsuna]: We havent had any problems so far as most people are outgearing heroic for a while now
 [14:10] To [Shazsuna]: When we get to mythic that will start over and people might not be able to trade items, then its not much we can do about it
 [14:11] To [Shazsuna]: However its expected to only keep items you can trade if they are an actual upgrade
 [14:11] To [Shazsuna]: but like I said, we wont force any loot off you - we're not monsters :>
 [14:11] [Shazsuna]: Seeing as you've been so transparent; we were originally a 20+ player group. I've been leading guilds on and off since 4.3 though i quit in legion from the sheer burn out. We recently were playing classic but i and a few other people stepped back
 [14:11] [Shazsuna]: due to work; burnout or just wanting to try out the new raid tier on live
 [14:12] To [Shazsuna]: Yeah I get you
 [14:12] [Shazsuna]: We're in the same mindset where we don't want to raid 5 days a week anymore; though we're enjoying 8.3 and the new raid
 [14:13] [Shazsuna]: It works out well that you guys seem pretty chill but also still want to progress
 [14:13] [Shazsuna]: I've not played BFA at all though the rogue and DH did like 2 raid tiers ago
 [14:14] [Shazsuna]: All in all, you've sold a great sounding community that we'd love to be part of and i'll do my best to sell the idea of dpsing to my tank
 [14:15] To [Shazsuna]: Yeah, we value the atmosphere a lot, we're basically just a very friendly bunch of people who decided to give it a go making friendly chill atmosphere, having fun and mythic progression our top priorities
 [14:15] To [Shazsuna]: I can for sure fit you, dh and rogue in
 [14:16] To [Shazsuna]: you are all very welcome
 [14:16] To [Shazsuna]: tank spot I cannot guarantee as of now as its unsure if hes going to be able to keep raiding or not, and we have a fair share of backup tanks
 [14:17] [Shazsuna]: Alright, i'll let them know. I'll have to get back to you later if that's alright, it'll have to be the case where we blast his hunter up and gear it asap
 [14:17] [Shazsuna]: assuming that he can't tank
 [14:18] To [Shazsuna]: yeah for now I would say there is no tank spot available but I will know for sure within a day or two