[15:39] <Lafing_Cat> Tar: I'd have to futz around with cracking it, as it's a Steam game.
[15:40] <Tarinaky> And you don't have steam?
[15:40] <Tarinaky> A
[15:40] <Lafing_Cat> I refuse to use steam.
[15:40] <Tarinaky> Or did you mean "Debating pirating Human Revoution"?
[15:41] <Tarinaky> Because when you said installing Deus Ex I thought you meant the original.
[15:41] <Tarinaky> From a CD.
[15:41] <Lafing_Cat> I will not give money to rent a game under the pretense of ownership.
[15:41] <Lafing_Cat> I actually did buy the original
[15:41] <Lafing_Cat> I may still have the CDs somewhere.
[15:41] <Lafing_Cat> But I meant Human Revolution, yeah
[15:42] <Tarinaky> See, I think of Steam as a content delivery system rather than DRM.
[15:43] <Tarinaky> For a system to install software over the internet it makes complete sense to require a login to install said software.
[15:43] <Lafing_Cat> But once it's installed you can't play it without reauthenticating.
[15:43] <Tarinaky> Not true.
[15:44] <Tarinaky> You can start Steam in offline mode.
[15:44] <Benedict_> yeah
[15:44] <Tarinaky> And play to your hearts content.
[15:44] <Tarinaky> And unlike most similar systems the game will run completely fine if your connection dies midway through.
[15:44] <Benedict_> about the only game i can think of thats a recent release that required always on internet was from dust
[15:44] <Benedict_> and there was a huge foo for rah about it
[15:44] <Tarinaky> The only function that will fall over is Steam Cloud but what did you epxect.
[15:44] <Benedict_> and ubisoft actively patched it out
[15:44] <Tarinaky> *expect
[15:45] <Lafing_Cat> "dies midway through"
[15:45] <Lafing_Cat> Implying that I have to have an internet connection to start playing.
[15:45] <Benedict_> naw cat
[15:45] <Benedict_> you just have to authenticate with steam once. period. once ever. then you boot into offline mode
[15:45] <Benedict_> and that happens at the install
[15:45] <Tarinaky> But why would you want to be offline when you can be online.
[15:46] <Tarinaky> :p
[15:46] <Benedict_> you would have to reconnect to patch every now and then
[15:46] <Benedict_> but thats about it
[15:46] <Lafing_Cat> Why would I want to have to be online when I could be online *or* offline?
[15:46] <Lafing_Cat> If I'm visiting my mother, she doesn't have internet.  What if I want to install a game I haven't played in a while while I'm there?
[15:47] <Tarinaky> Exactly what you'd expect trying to download any software without an internet connection.
[15:47] <Tarinaky> Internet is required to download stuff off the internet.
[15:47] <Lafing_Cat> But if I buy the game *on a CD* I'm still required to connect to the internet to install it.
[15:48] <Lafing_Cat> even though I'm not downloading anything off the internet.
[15:48] <Lafing_Cat> Well, DVD, but same deal.
[15:48] <Tarinaky> Because you're not really buying the game on a CD.
[15:48] <Tarinaky> Retail boxes is just vestigial.
[15:49] <Tarinaky> Steam's completely online.
[15:49] <Lafing_Cat> Exactly, they won't sell me a game.
[15:49] <Lafing_Cat> So I won't give them money.
[15:49] <Lafing_Cat> They will sell me a license to install a game, but I don't want a license to install a game, I want a game.
[15:49] <Tarinaky> This is different to 10 years ago how?
[15:49] <Tarinaky> Or 20 years ago?
[15:50] <Lafing_Cat> Because 10 years ago, I didn't need their permission to install the game when and where I wanted to.
[15:50] <Tarinaky> Yes. Yes you did.
[15:50] <Lafing_Cat> No, I didn't.
[15:50] <Lafing_Cat> I didn't connect to the internet to install Tribes, or Starcraft, or Diablo II.
[15:50] <Lafing_Cat> I could do that whenever I wanted to.
[15:50] * Tarinaky points at the EULA at the back of the manual for Diablo 2.
[15:51] <Benedict_> most popular game in gaming history, 17 years ago, required an always on internet connection and does to this day....
[15:51] <Lafing_Cat> The difference between the EULA in Diablo 2 and Steam is enforceability.
[15:51] <Lafing_Cat> Blizzard can't take my physical CD.
[15:51] <Lafing_Cat> They can't force a patch on me to disable my copy.
[15:51] <Tarinaky> They can, however, disable you on Battlenet.
[15:52] <Lafing_Cat> Steam *can* disable my ability to install the game I paid for again.
[15:52] <Tarinaky> And force patches through that.
[15:52] <Lafing_Cat> I don't give a shit about Battlenet.
[15:52] <Lafing_Cat> I didn't play once on it.
[15:52] <Tarinaky> If they were selloing you the actual game it's come with source code and a nonexclusive license to all the IP.
[15:52] <Tarinaky> *it'd
[15:52] <Lafing_Cat> Untrue