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  5.  
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  8. However you wanna express
  9. yourself, gay or lesbian,
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  13. or transgender, or gender queer,
  14.  
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  17. you are beautiful.
  18.  
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  21. ♪ Heaven help me keep falling ♪
  22.  
  23. 5
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  25. ♪ It's not easy
  26. Finding your place ♪
  27.  
  28. 6
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  30. This could be our opportunity
  31. to take control of our lives.
  32.  
  33. 7
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  35. ♪ But if it's not love
  36. It'll just break ♪
  37.  
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  40. ♪ It'll surround you ♪
  41.  
  42. 9
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  44. You can't stop fighting
  45. for the ones you love.
  46.  
  47. 10
  48. 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:36,416
  49. ♪ You can be strong
  50. Standing in place ♪
  51.  
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  53. 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:37,874
  54. ♪ Knowing
  55. you'll break through... ♪
  56.  
  57. 12
  58. 00:00:37,875 --> 00:00:39,958
  59. Please understand,
  60. I'm not fighting about bathrooms.
  61.  
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  63. 00:00:39,959 --> 00:00:41,291
  64. I'm fighting about her life.
  65.  
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  68. Well I ask you,
  69. can you see me now?
  70.  
  71. 15
  72. 00:00:45,834 --> 00:00:48,625
  73. ♪ But if it's love
  74. It will find you ♪
  75.  
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  78. ♪ Give you more to hold onto ♪
  79.  
  80. 17
  81. 00:00:51,709 --> 00:00:54,458
  82. ♪ It will carry the weight ♪
  83.  
  84. 18
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  86. I like the idea
  87. that the world is changing
  88.  
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  90. 00:00:58,959 --> 00:01:00,834
  91. and I get to be whoever I want.
  92.  
  93. 20
  94. 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:03,999
  95. When it comes to war, I fight.
  96.  
  97. 21
  98. 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,250
  99. When it comes to love,
  100. I don't choose sides.
  101.  
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  103. 00:01:11,709 --> 00:01:16,000
  104. This is just basic equality.
  105. That's all it is.
  106.  
  107. 23
  108. 00:02:24,583 --> 00:02:26,499
  109. There's no way to
  110. get an accurate count of.
  111.  
  112. 24
  113. 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:28,749
  114. LGBT suicides in
  115. the Mormon community,
  116.  
  117. 25
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  119. but we do know that
  120. youth suicide rates in Utah,
  121.  
  122. 26
  123. 00:02:31,625 --> 00:02:34,040
  124. where a majority of
  125. the populous is Mormon,
  126.  
  127. 27
  128. 00:02:34,041 --> 00:02:36,040
  129. have skyrocketed
  130. over the past decade.
  131.  
  132. 28
  133. 00:02:36,041 --> 00:02:38,708
  134. I grew up gay,
  135. and Mormon, and in Utah.
  136.  
  137. 29
  138. 00:02:38,709 --> 00:02:41,290
  139. In my morning prayers,
  140. I would ask that God
  141.  
  142. 30
  143. 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:43,040
  144. would do something drastic, like
  145.  
  146. 31
  147. 00:02:43,041 --> 00:02:45,082
  148. cause me to die
  149. in a car accident
  150.  
  151. 32
  152. 00:02:45,083 --> 00:02:48,916
  153. or for me to get cancer
  154. or something awful like that.
  155.  
  156. 33
  157. 00:02:48,917 --> 00:02:50,374
  158. When the God
  159. that you believe in,
  160.  
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  162. 00:02:50,375 --> 00:02:52,332
  163. and the family that raised you
  164. and loves you,
  165.  
  166. 35
  167. 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:53,624
  168. when they reject you,
  169.  
  170. 36
  171. 00:02:53,625 --> 00:02:55,416
  172. you don't have a lot
  173. left to live for.
  174.  
  175. 37
  176. 00:02:55,417 --> 00:02:58,582
  177. You see the church between
  178. kind of a rock and a hard place
  179.  
  180. 38
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  182. when it comes to gay issues.
  183.  
  184. 39
  185. 00:03:01,166 --> 00:03:04,040
  186. We've taken this topic
  187. on a number of occasions.
  188.  
  189. 40
  190. 00:03:04,041 --> 00:03:06,791
  191. It's not going away.
  192. Where do we stand on this?
  193.  
  194. 41
  195. 00:03:06,792 --> 00:03:09,082
  196. We regard same-sex marriage
  197.  
  198. 42
  199. 00:03:09,083 --> 00:03:12,708
  200. as a significant,
  201. serious kind of sin.
  202.  
  203. 43
  204. 00:03:12,709 --> 00:03:14,457
  205. Simply being attracted
  206.  
  207. 44
  208. 00:03:14,458 --> 00:03:17,582
  209. to someone of the same gender
  210. is not a sin.
  211.  
  212. 45
  213. 00:03:17,583 --> 00:03:19,833
  214. It is when we act on
  215.  
  216. 46
  217. 00:03:19,834 --> 00:03:21,582
  218. the inclination
  219. or the attraction.
  220.  
  221. 47
  222. 00:03:21,583 --> 00:03:25,666
  223. The church finally said there's
  224. nothing wrong with being gay.
  225.  
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  227. 00:03:25,667 --> 00:03:26,874
  228. Yay!
  229.  
  230. 49
  231. 00:03:26,875 --> 00:03:28,749
  232. As long as you
  233. don't do gay stuff!
  234.  
  235. 50
  236. 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:30,582
  237. So, if you're a gay Mormon,
  238.  
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  240. 00:03:30,583 --> 00:03:33,207
  241. and you're in a relationship
  242. with a man, you're fine,
  243.  
  244. 52
  245. 00:03:33,208 --> 00:03:35,332
  246. as long as you don't
  247. hug him or kiss him
  248.  
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  251. or hold hands with him
  252. or have sex with him
  253.  
  254. 54
  255. 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,916
  256. or marry him or live with him or
  257. be in a relationship with him.
  258.  
  259. 55
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  261. And today, I'm talking with
  262. Las Vegas resident Dan Reynolds,
  263.  
  264. 56
  265. 00:03:42,792 --> 00:03:45,040
  266. who is the lead singer
  267. of Imagine Dragons.
  268.  
  269. 57
  270. 00:03:45,041 --> 00:03:46,416
  271. Reynolds is on a mission
  272.  
  273. 58
  274. 00:03:46,417 --> 00:03:49,040
  275. quite apart from his
  276. musical career.
  277.  
  278. 59
  279. 00:03:49,041 --> 00:03:51,249
  280. He's putting together
  281. a documentary examining
  282.  
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  285. policies in the Mormon Church
  286. regarding the LGBTQ community.
  287.  
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  290. Dan Reynolds,
  291. it's great to have you back.
  292.  
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  294. 00:04:05,458 --> 00:04:06,791
  295. ♪ First things first ♪
  296.  
  297. 63
  298. 00:04:06,792 --> 00:04:09,833
  299. ♪ I'ma say all the words
  300. inside my head ♪
  301.  
  302. 64
  303. 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:13,708
  304. ♪ I'm fired up and tired of
  305. the way that things have been ♪
  306.  
  307. 65
  308. 00:04:13,709 --> 00:04:15,207
  309. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  310.  
  311. 66
  312. 00:04:15,208 --> 00:04:17,165
  313. There are far too many Mormons
  314.  
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  316. 00:04:17,166 --> 00:04:18,958
  317. in Utah that are
  318. taking their lives.
  319.  
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  321. 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:20,666
  322. And so, this is,
  323.  
  324. 69
  325. 00:04:20,667 --> 00:04:22,999
  326. this is an issue that
  327. needs to be discussed now.
  328.  
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  331. Uh, the families need
  332. to be having this,
  333.  
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  335. 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,916
  336. this discussion
  337. in their homes now.
  338.  
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  340. 00:04:26,917 --> 00:04:29,040
  341. ♪ I'm the master of my sea ♪
  342.  
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  345. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  346.  
  347. 74
  348. 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,874
  349. ♪ Yeah, the master of my sea ♪
  350.  
  351. 75
  352. 00:04:32,875 --> 00:04:34,165
  353. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  354.  
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  357. You grew up Mormon.
  358.  
  359. 77
  360. 00:04:35,667 --> 00:04:37,833
  361. You don't have to be
  362. a member of the church.
  363.  
  364. 78
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  366. A lot of people will say,
  367. you know what,
  368.  
  369. 79
  370. 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:41,124
  371. if you don't don't agree,
  372. just get out.
  373.  
  374. 80
  375. 00:04:41,125 --> 00:04:44,999
  376. I don't feel a need
  377. to denounce Mormonism.
  378.  
  379. 81
  380. 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,791
  381. I do feel a need, as a Mormon,
  382.  
  383. 82
  384. 00:04:46,792 --> 00:04:49,625
  385. to speak out against things
  386. that I think are hurting people.
  387.  
  388. 83
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  390. ♪ Pain ♪
  391.  
  392. 84
  393. 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,708
  394. ♪ You made me a,
  395. you made me a believer ♪
  396.  
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  398. 00:04:54,709 --> 00:04:56,625
  399. ♪ Believer ♪
  400.  
  401. 86
  402. 00:04:58,208 --> 00:04:59,332
  403. ♪ Pain ♪
  404.  
  405. 87
  406. 00:04:59,333 --> 00:05:01,749
  407. Dan, do you feel
  408. like, in some ways,
  409.  
  410. 88
  411. 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:04,499
  412. you, yourself, might be
  413. leading people astray?
  414.  
  415. 89
  416. 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:05,958
  417. People have reached
  418. out and said, hey,
  419.  
  420. 90
  421. 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:08,040
  422. you know, you've lost your way,
  423.  
  424. 91
  425. 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:10,708
  426. and God believes that
  427. being gay is a sin,
  428.  
  429. 92
  430. 00:05:10,709 --> 00:05:14,040
  431. and you, you know,
  432. you're dragging down, you know...
  433.  
  434. 93
  435. 00:05:14,041 --> 00:05:18,040
  436. you are spreading a message of,
  437. uh, against God's will.
  438.  
  439. 94
  440. 00:05:18,041 --> 00:05:21,499
  441. ♪ My life, my love, my drive,
  442. it came from ♪
  443.  
  444. 95
  445. 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:22,541
  446. ♪ Pain ♪
  447.  
  448. 96
  449. 00:05:22,542 --> 00:05:24,959
  450. ♪ You made me a,
  451. you made me a believer ♪
  452.  
  453. 97
  454. 00:05:25,917 --> 00:05:27,874
  455. ♪ Believer ♪
  456.  
  457. 98
  458. 00:05:27,875 --> 00:05:30,416
  459. Like a lot of rich people,
  460. you could just ignore all this,
  461.  
  462. 99
  463. 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:31,999
  464. go on with the rest
  465. of your life.
  466.  
  467. 100
  468. 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,249
  469. Why are you doing this? Why are
  470. you putting yourself out there?
  471.  
  472. 101
  473. 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:37,582
  474. The community I was
  475. raised with is Mormonism,
  476.  
  477. 102
  478. 00:05:37,583 --> 00:05:39,290
  479. and I was always taught
  480.  
  481. 103
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  483. that if you want to make
  484. a difference in the world,
  485.  
  486. 104
  487. 00:05:41,083 --> 00:05:42,249
  488. you start with your community.
  489.  
  490. 105
  491. 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:44,958
  492. That's a question
  493. I had as well, Dan. I mean,
  494.  
  495. 106
  496. 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:47,416
  497. do you actually think you're
  498. gonna change the church?
  499.  
  500. 107
  501. 00:05:47,417 --> 00:05:49,582
  502. ♪ My life, my love, my drive ♪
  503.  
  504. 108
  505. 00:05:50,583 --> 00:05:51,749
  506. ♪ Pain ♪
  507.  
  508. 109
  509. 00:05:51,750 --> 00:05:55,874
  510. ♪ You made me a,
  511. you made me a believer ♪
  512.  
  513. 110
  514. 00:05:55,875 --> 00:05:57,708
  515. ♪ Believer ♪
  516.  
  517. 111
  518. 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:18,207
  519. ♪ Young gun
  520. with a quick fuse ♪
  521.  
  522. 112
  523. 00:06:18,208 --> 00:06:21,040
  524. ♪ I was uptight
  525. wanna let loose ♪
  526.  
  527. 113
  528. 00:06:21,041 --> 00:06:23,582
  529. ♪ I was dreaming
  530. of bigger things and ♪
  531.  
  532. 114
  533. 00:06:23,583 --> 00:06:26,791
  534. ♪ Wanna leave
  535. my old life behind ♪
  536.  
  537. 115
  538. 00:06:26,792 --> 00:06:29,624
  539. ♪ Not a yes-sir,
  540. not a follower ♪
  541.  
  542. 116
  543. 00:06:29,625 --> 00:06:31,124
  544. ♪ Fit the box, fit the mold ♪
  545.  
  546. 117
  547. 00:06:31,125 --> 00:06:33,290
  548. ♪ Have a seat in the foyer ♪
  549.  
  550. 118
  551. 00:06:33,291 --> 00:06:34,624
  552. ♪ Take a number ♪
  553.  
  554. 119
  555. 00:06:34,625 --> 00:06:36,332
  556. ♪ I was light... ♪
  557.  
  558. 120
  559. 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,791
  560. ♪ I was lightning
  561. before the thunder ♪
  562.  
  563. 121
  564. 00:06:39,792 --> 00:06:42,709
  565. This song, I think, is
  566. probably gonna be our next single.
  567.  
  568. 122
  569. 00:06:43,625 --> 00:06:45,833
  570. It's been... a little bit
  571.  
  572. 123
  573. 00:06:45,834 --> 00:06:48,124
  574. of the bane of my existence
  575. for the last couple months,
  576.  
  577. 124
  578. 00:06:48,125 --> 00:06:51,124
  579. 'cause I just haven't
  580. felt like it was
  581.  
  582. 125
  583. 00:06:51,125 --> 00:06:52,457
  584. totally right yet.
  585.  
  586. 126
  587. 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:56,958
  588. I woke up at, like,
  589. 3:00 AM this morning,
  590.  
  591. 127
  592. 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,290
  593. with like a counter-melody idea
  594. in my head for this end part.
  595.  
  596. 128
  597. 00:07:18,333 --> 00:07:20,499
  598. This song is...
  599. it's called "Thunder,"
  600.  
  601. 129
  602. 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:21,499
  603. but it's like, you know,
  604.  
  605. 130
  606. 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:24,040
  607. this, you know,
  608. this time in my life was
  609.  
  610. 131
  611. 00:07:24,041 --> 00:07:25,874
  612. lightning before the thunder.
  613.  
  614. 132
  615. 00:07:25,875 --> 00:07:27,666
  616. It was like, you know,
  617. when I was young,
  618.  
  619. 133
  620. 00:07:27,667 --> 00:07:31,958
  621. feeling a little misplaced,
  622. feeling never quite...
  623.  
  624. 134
  625. 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,000
  626. like I settled in a pocket.
  627.  
  628. 135
  629. 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:39,833
  630. Go and get Dan.
  631.  
  632. 136
  633. 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:45,290
  634. I am the seventh
  635. son of nine kids.
  636.  
  637. 137
  638. 00:07:45,291 --> 00:07:47,374
  639. Hey, Danny.
  640.  
  641. 138
  642. 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:49,374
  643. I was raised
  644. Mormon, Latter-day Saint,
  645.  
  646. 139
  647. 00:07:49,375 --> 00:07:51,165
  648. as Mormons say IDS.
  649.  
  650. 140
  651. 00:07:51,166 --> 00:07:53,541
  652. It was really
  653. all I knew growing up,
  654.  
  655. 141
  656. 00:07:53,542 --> 00:07:54,749
  657. 'cause when you
  658. grow up, you just,
  659.  
  660. 142
  661. 00:07:54,750 --> 00:07:56,207
  662. you think everybody's Mormon,
  663.  
  664. 143
  665. 00:07:56,208 --> 00:07:58,500
  666. or at least most of
  667. the world's Mormon.
  668.  
  669. 144
  670. 00:07:59,417 --> 00:08:00,874
  671. So, in the Mormon Church,
  672.  
  673. 145
  674. 00:08:00,875 --> 00:08:02,332
  675. you're supposed
  676. to go on a mission
  677.  
  678. 146
  679. 00:08:02,333 --> 00:08:03,457
  680. when you turn 19 years old.
  681.  
  682. 147
  683. 00:08:03,458 --> 00:08:07,332
  684. A mission is two years
  685. away from your family.
  686.  
  687. 148
  688. 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:10,040
  689. You knock doors all day.
  690.  
  691. 149
  692. 00:08:10,041 --> 00:08:12,708
  693. We're missionaries from the Church of
  694. Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
  695.  
  696. 150
  697. 00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:14,708
  698. Okay, we have our
  699. own religion. Thank you.
  700.  
  701. 151
  702. 00:08:14,709 --> 00:08:15,749
  703. Okay, that's okay.
  704.  
  705. 152
  706. 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:18,040
  707. When you start as a missionary,
  708.  
  709. 153
  710. 00:08:18,041 --> 00:08:20,165
  711. you get into one
  712.  
  713. 154
  714. 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:22,500
  715. like out of every
  716. hundred doors you knock.
  717.  
  718. 155
  719. 00:08:24,208 --> 00:08:26,708
  720. What carries you on is
  721.  
  722. 156
  723. 00:08:26,709 --> 00:08:31,165
  724. your complete, resolute
  725. belief in what you're doing.
  726.  
  727. 157
  728. 00:08:31,166 --> 00:08:33,582
  729. You are resilient about it,
  730.  
  731. 158
  732. 00:08:33,583 --> 00:08:35,416
  733. and so you knock
  734. those hundred doors.
  735.  
  736. 159
  737. 00:08:35,417 --> 00:08:38,040
  738. If there's anything
  739. I can leave with y'all tonight,
  740.  
  741. 160
  742. 00:08:38,041 --> 00:08:40,624
  743. it would just be that
  744. my testimony of this gospel
  745.  
  746. 161
  747. 00:08:40,625 --> 00:08:42,165
  748. is that I know it's real,
  749.  
  750. 162
  751. 00:08:42,166 --> 00:08:43,999
  752. and it does bring
  753. true happiness.
  754.  
  755. 163
  756. 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,541
  757. When I came home
  758. from my mission,
  759.  
  760. 164
  761. 00:08:45,542 --> 00:08:48,624
  762. and I allowed my brain
  763. to really think about life
  764.  
  765. 165
  766. 00:08:48,625 --> 00:08:51,332
  767. and what I wanted out of it,
  768. and who I wanted to be...
  769.  
  770. 166
  771. 00:08:51,333 --> 00:08:52,582
  772. Everybody, you know,
  773.  
  774. 167
  775. 00:08:52,583 --> 00:08:54,624
  776. in the Mormon community
  777. who knew my family was, like,
  778.  
  779. 168
  780. 00:08:54,625 --> 00:08:57,457
  781. the smart Reynolds, the doctors,
  782.  
  783. 169
  784. 00:08:57,458 --> 00:08:58,958
  785. the lawyers, the good kids.
  786.  
  787. 170
  788. 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:01,040
  789. You want your daughter to
  790. date a Reynolds boy, you know?
  791.  
  792. 171
  793. 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,249
  794. They're good kids.
  795.  
  796. 172
  797. 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:05,457
  798. You know, my brothers all
  799. went to BYU. They all married,
  800.  
  801. 173
  802. 00:09:05,458 --> 00:09:08,958
  803. you know, great Mormon girls,
  804. had great Mormon families,
  805.  
  806. 174
  807. 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:11,457
  808. and I didn't want to be
  809. the one to break that cycle.
  810.  
  811. 175
  812. 00:09:11,458 --> 00:09:14,249
  813. And so it just,
  814. you know, it seemed like,
  815.  
  816. 176
  817. 00:09:14,250 --> 00:09:16,208
  818. "the easy route,"
  819. like, you follow the line.
  820.  
  821. 177
  822. 00:09:19,375 --> 00:09:21,416
  823. Okay, can you
  824. give that to Daddy?
  825.  
  826. 178
  827. 00:09:21,417 --> 00:09:22,874
  828. Daddy?
  829.  
  830. 179
  831. 00:09:22,875 --> 00:09:24,374
  832. Yep?
  833. Get her dressed.
  834.  
  835. 180
  836. 00:09:24,375 --> 00:09:25,917
  837. Okey-dokey.
  838.  
  839. 181
  840. 00:09:27,625 --> 00:09:30,833
  841. Dad, both of the babies
  842. look like little aliens.
  843.  
  844. 182
  845. 00:09:32,083 --> 00:09:34,624
  846. When their eyes are open,
  847. they look like little aliens.
  848.  
  849. 183
  850. 00:09:34,625 --> 00:09:36,833
  851. Yeah? They do look
  852. like little aliens.
  853.  
  854. 184
  855. 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:38,040
  856. That's kinda what they are.
  857.  
  858. 185
  859. 00:09:38,041 --> 00:09:39,083
  860. Hi, my little alien.
  861.  
  862. 186
  863. 00:09:42,583 --> 00:09:44,332
  864. Can I kiss her, Dad?
  865.  
  866. 187
  867. 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:45,582
  868. Oh!
  869.  
  870. 188
  871. 00:09:46,792 --> 00:09:48,290
  872. It's not on you.
  873.  
  874. 189
  875. 00:09:48,291 --> 00:09:49,708
  876. I know, but we just cleaned...
  877.  
  878. 190
  879. 00:09:49,709 --> 00:09:52,249
  880. Well, it's okay. Just leave it
  881. for a sec. I'll deal with it.
  882.  
  883. 191
  884. 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:54,165
  885. Let me just look and see. Oh!
  886.  
  887. 192
  888. 00:09:54,166 --> 00:09:55,332
  889. Yeah, honey, just don't...
  890.  
  891. 193
  892. 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:56,499
  893. Honey, it's, like, massive.
  894.  
  895. 194
  896. 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:57,582
  897. I know.
  898. I'll deal with it.
  899.  
  900. 195
  901. 00:09:57,583 --> 00:09:59,082
  902. My family, so,
  903.  
  904. 196
  905. 00:09:59,083 --> 00:10:00,999
  906. I have a four-year-old
  907. daughter, Arrow,
  908.  
  909. 197
  910. 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,499
  911. she was born right when
  912. our first album came out.
  913.  
  914. 198
  915. 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:07,249
  916. Let's just say, I am the boss.
  917.  
  918. 199
  919. 00:10:09,041 --> 00:10:13,416
  920. And now I have two more
  921. little girls, twins, fraternal.
  922.  
  923. 200
  924. 00:10:13,417 --> 00:10:15,332
  925. She is so cute, honey.
  926.  
  927. 201
  928. 00:10:15,333 --> 00:10:16,583
  929. I know.
  930.  
  931. 202
  932. 00:10:17,542 --> 00:10:18,916
  933. It's killing me.
  934.  
  935. 203
  936. 00:10:18,917 --> 00:10:22,082
  937. My wife, who is the greatest
  938. human being ever...
  939.  
  940. 204
  941. 00:10:22,083 --> 00:10:24,332
  942. Stop picking on her. I'm not.
  943. I'm just trying to get...
  944.  
  945. 205
  946. 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:26,416
  947. You're like, "She has a furry
  948. head and boogers in her eyes."
  949.  
  950. 206
  951. 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:28,708
  952. Well, no, I just want to get
  953. the boogers out of her eyes
  954.  
  955. 207
  956. 00:10:28,709 --> 00:10:30,499
  957. 'cause that would
  958. drive me crazy, too.
  959.  
  960. 208
  961. 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,040
  962. When I met him,
  963.  
  964. 209
  965. 00:10:32,041 --> 00:10:35,165
  966. he was just a part
  967. of this, kind of,
  968.  
  969. 210
  970. 00:10:35,166 --> 00:10:37,791
  971. I don't want to say closed
  972. community, but it was like
  973.  
  974. 211
  975. 00:10:37,792 --> 00:10:40,999
  976. there wasn't really
  977. a lot of outside...
  978.  
  979. 212
  980. 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,082
  981. It's like a very
  982. Mormon community, you know?
  983.  
  984. 213
  985. 00:10:44,083 --> 00:10:49,249
  986. And, um, I was definitely...
  987. an alien to that.
  988.  
  989. 214
  990. 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:52,207
  991. We had this, like, connection,
  992.  
  993. 215
  994. 00:10:52,208 --> 00:10:56,749
  995. but there were conversations early on
  996. that were, like, you know, we can't date.
  997.  
  998. 216
  999. 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:59,749
  1000. If I was Mormon, we could
  1001. entertain the idea, but we can't.
  1002.  
  1003. 217
  1004. 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:05,207
  1005. ♪ Don't be afraid
  1006. of me I'm just a sweet... ♪
  1007.  
  1008. 218
  1009. 00:11:05,208 --> 00:11:06,874
  1010. We did try to be friends a lot.
  1011.  
  1012. 219
  1013. 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,416
  1014. We kept being, like,
  1015. okay, look, we're just...
  1016.  
  1017. 220
  1018. 00:11:09,417 --> 00:11:11,582
  1019. I can't have you,
  1020. like, out of my life.
  1021.  
  1022. 221
  1023. 00:11:11,583 --> 00:11:13,374
  1024. So, we had to,
  1025. we have to try to figure out
  1026.  
  1027. 222
  1028. 00:11:13,375 --> 00:11:15,082
  1029. how to be friends,
  1030. but then it would just...
  1031.  
  1032. 223
  1033. 00:11:15,083 --> 00:11:17,082
  1034. we would hang out,
  1035. or see each other or whatever,
  1036.  
  1037. 224
  1038. 00:11:17,083 --> 00:11:19,290
  1039. and it was just,
  1040. like, too much energy
  1041.  
  1042. 225
  1043. 00:11:19,291 --> 00:11:21,749
  1044. between us to, and it couldn't go
  1045. anywhere... She couldn't handle it.
  1046.  
  1047. 226
  1048. 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:23,749
  1049. She couldn't handle the energy.
  1050. There was just,
  1051.  
  1052. 227
  1053. 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,332
  1054. so much, just, mojo in the air.
  1055.  
  1056. 228
  1057. 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:28,749
  1058. I would always be
  1059. like, I can't do this.
  1060.  
  1061. 229
  1062. 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:29,958
  1063. I can't talk to you anymore.
  1064.  
  1065. 230
  1066. 00:11:29,959 --> 00:11:33,124
  1067. If we can't be together,
  1068. I cannot see you,
  1069.  
  1070. 231
  1071. 00:11:33,125 --> 00:11:34,374
  1072. like, I can't talk to you.
  1073.  
  1074. 232
  1075. 00:11:34,375 --> 00:11:36,249
  1076. 'Cause I was
  1077. so in love with him,
  1078.  
  1079. 233
  1080. 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:38,916
  1081. and, um, it just hurt.
  1082.  
  1083. 234
  1084. 00:11:40,208 --> 00:11:42,708
  1085. Dan had sent a song
  1086. that he had written,
  1087.  
  1088. 235
  1089. 00:11:42,709 --> 00:11:45,207
  1090. and he had only written
  1091. part of the song.
  1092.  
  1093. 236
  1094. 00:11:45,208 --> 00:11:46,749
  1095. And I was like, oh, well,
  1096.  
  1097. 237
  1098. 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:48,499
  1099. I'll just write a verse
  1100. and send it back.
  1101.  
  1102. 238
  1103. 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,791
  1104. ♪ Try one, try two,
  1105. and then you're messing it up ♪
  1106.  
  1107. 239
  1108. 00:11:50,792 --> 00:11:52,874
  1109. ♪ If you ever wanna have it,
  1110. then you're giving it up... ♪
  1111.  
  1112. 240
  1113. 00:11:52,875 --> 00:11:55,499
  1114. It was, like,
  1115. written to me, you know?
  1116.  
  1117. 241
  1118. 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:58,040
  1119. And so, I would, like,
  1120. write a response...
  1121.  
  1122. 242
  1123. 00:11:58,041 --> 00:11:59,958
  1124. in the song, and it was like
  1125.  
  1126. 243
  1127. 00:11:59,959 --> 00:12:02,374
  1128. the stuff we couldn't
  1129. say in real life.
  1130.  
  1131. 244
  1132. 00:12:02,375 --> 00:12:06,583
  1133. ♪ 'Cause I'm
  1134. so in love with you ♪
  1135.  
  1136. 245
  1137. 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:10,457
  1138. But it was, like,
  1139. still very much, like,
  1140.  
  1141. 246
  1142. 00:12:10,458 --> 00:12:12,374
  1143. you have to be Mormon
  1144. if we're gonna date.
  1145.  
  1146. 247
  1147. 00:12:12,375 --> 00:12:13,416
  1148. ♪ Well, I'm tired ♪
  1149.  
  1150. 248
  1151. 00:12:13,417 --> 00:12:15,082
  1152. ♪ You're tired of acting crazy ♪
  1153.  
  1154. 249
  1155. 00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:17,541
  1156. ♪ Don't make big plans
  1157. if you're bein' lazy ♪
  1158.  
  1159. 250
  1160. 00:12:17,542 --> 00:12:18,666
  1161. ♪ Don't make big plans ♪
  1162.  
  1163. 251
  1164. 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:19,833
  1165. ♪ If you won't follow through ♪
  1166.  
  1167. 252
  1168. 00:12:19,834 --> 00:12:20,958
  1169. ♪ You big baby ♪
  1170.  
  1171. 253
  1172. 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:22,624
  1173. ♪ Let's speak nothing
  1174. but the truth ♪
  1175.  
  1176. 254
  1177. 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:25,582
  1178. I was like, I'm not gonna
  1179. forget about this person.
  1180.  
  1181. 255
  1182. 00:12:25,583 --> 00:12:27,958
  1183. He felt like
  1184. he was my soul mate,
  1185.  
  1186. 256
  1187. 00:12:27,959 --> 00:12:30,875
  1188. and so, I decided to start going
  1189.  
  1190. 257
  1191. 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,958
  1192. and just learning
  1193. more about the church.
  1194.  
  1195. 258
  1196. 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:35,833
  1197. That's when I started to say,
  1198. okay, well, if I can, like,
  1199.  
  1200. 259
  1201. 00:12:35,834 --> 00:12:38,499
  1202. really, just, follow
  1203. my own heart inside of it,
  1204.  
  1205. 260
  1206. 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:40,582
  1207. I don't see why I can't, like,
  1208.  
  1209. 261
  1210. 00:12:40,583 --> 00:12:42,749
  1211. progress in this direction.
  1212.  
  1213. 262
  1214. 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:45,749
  1215. So, I did kind of just do that,
  1216.  
  1217. 263
  1218. 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:47,624
  1219. and I felt fine about it...
  1220.  
  1221. 264
  1222. 00:12:47,625 --> 00:12:48,624
  1223. ♪ My heart ♪
  1224.  
  1225. 265
  1226. 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:51,124
  1227. ...except for the gay rights.
  1228.  
  1229. 266
  1230. 00:12:51,125 --> 00:12:54,749
  1231. The Mormon Church
  1232. supported Proposition 8,
  1233.  
  1234. 267
  1235. 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:57,499
  1236. a proposal restricting
  1237. the definition of marriage
  1238.  
  1239. 268
  1240. 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,874
  1241. as being a union solely
  1242. between a man and a woman.
  1243.  
  1244. 269
  1245. 00:13:00,875 --> 00:13:03,249
  1246. Mormons became
  1247. the most powerful force
  1248.  
  1249. 270
  1250. 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:05,749
  1251. in California's fight
  1252. against gay marriage,
  1253.  
  1254. 271
  1255. 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:08,541
  1256. because the church called
  1257. upon its members to donate
  1258.  
  1259. 272
  1260. 00:13:08,542 --> 00:13:12,457
  1261. as much money and time
  1262. as they could to the cause.
  1263.  
  1264. 273
  1265. 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:15,624
  1266. And so, we ask you
  1267. to give your best
  1268.  
  1269. 274
  1270. 00:13:15,625 --> 00:13:17,916
  1271. to this most significant effort,
  1272.  
  1273. 275
  1274. 00:13:17,917 --> 00:13:20,165
  1275. support in every way possible
  1276.  
  1277. 276
  1278. 00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:22,624
  1279. the sacred institution
  1280. of marriage
  1281.  
  1282. 277
  1283. 00:13:22,625 --> 00:13:25,416
  1284. as we know it to be.
  1285.  
  1286. 278
  1287. 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:28,082
  1288. When Prop 8 was going
  1289. down, in my heart, I was like,
  1290.  
  1291. 279
  1292. 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:31,082
  1293. I don't feel good about this,
  1294. but whatever.
  1295.  
  1296. 280
  1297. 00:13:31,083 --> 00:13:32,499
  1298. It doesn't affect me.
  1299.  
  1300. 281
  1301. 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:33,874
  1302. Which I think is
  1303. the mentality of,
  1304.  
  1305. 282
  1306. 00:13:33,875 --> 00:13:35,708
  1307. probably, a lot of
  1308. Christians and people.
  1309.  
  1310. 283
  1311. 00:13:35,709 --> 00:13:37,541
  1312. It doesn't affect me.
  1313.  
  1314. 284
  1315. 00:13:37,542 --> 00:13:40,499
  1316. Hey, it'll figure itself out
  1317. in the eternities with God.
  1318.  
  1319. 285
  1320. 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,040
  1321. It was right when
  1322. I was meeting Aja.
  1323.  
  1324. 286
  1325. 00:13:43,041 --> 00:13:45,416
  1326. Her two best friends who
  1327. were lesbians, and they were,
  1328.  
  1329. 287
  1330. 00:13:45,417 --> 00:13:47,833
  1331. you know all very
  1332. ac... like, very...
  1333.  
  1334. 288
  1335. 00:13:47,834 --> 00:13:49,791
  1336. Very active.
  1337. I mean, I was with them. Yeah.
  1338.  
  1339. 289
  1340. 00:13:49,792 --> 00:13:52,207
  1341. I was like,
  1342. marching alongside them.
  1343.  
  1344. 290
  1345. 00:13:52,208 --> 00:13:53,708
  1346. Yeah, and so, it was like,
  1347. And then...
  1348.  
  1349. 291
  1350. 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:55,082
  1351. she was like, well,
  1352.  
  1353. 292
  1354. 00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:56,916
  1355. they told me that
  1356. Mormons believe this,
  1357.  
  1358. 293
  1359. 00:13:56,917 --> 00:13:58,040
  1360. and that they're really, like,
  1361.  
  1362. 294
  1363. 00:13:58,041 --> 00:13:59,290
  1364. funding these things
  1365. with Prop 8.
  1366.  
  1367. 295
  1368. 00:13:59,291 --> 00:14:01,749
  1369. Is that true?
  1370. And I'm like, well, it is true,
  1371.  
  1372. 296
  1373. 00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:04,249
  1374. but I... it's, like,
  1375. no part of me.
  1376.  
  1377. 297
  1378. 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:07,624
  1379. Well, she's like, well, why are you
  1380. Mormon then? I'm like, it's complicated.
  1381.  
  1382. 298
  1383. 00:14:08,917 --> 00:14:11,165
  1384. When I started to look into it,
  1385.  
  1386. 299
  1387. 00:14:11,166 --> 00:14:13,374
  1388. and take the lessons
  1389. and convert,
  1390.  
  1391. 300
  1392. 00:14:13,375 --> 00:14:15,999
  1393. I really had to ignore
  1394. that whole thing.
  1395.  
  1396. 301
  1397. 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,417
  1398. I had to just ignore it
  1399. because I was...
  1400.  
  1401. 302
  1402. 00:14:19,333 --> 00:14:21,375
  1403. It was infuria... infuriating.
  1404.  
  1405. 303
  1406. 00:14:22,625 --> 00:14:24,874
  1407. We got married in
  1408. my parents' backyard,
  1409.  
  1410. 304
  1411. 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:29,499
  1412. and her two best friends
  1413. didn't come to our marriage
  1414.  
  1415. 305
  1416. 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:33,416
  1417. because she was, basically, marrying
  1418. into Mormonism, in their eyes,
  1419.  
  1420. 306
  1421. 00:14:33,417 --> 00:14:35,749
  1422. which was,
  1423. in the heat of Prop 8,
  1424.  
  1425. 307
  1426. 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:38,082
  1427. was the reason
  1428. they couldn't get married.
  1429.  
  1430. 308
  1431. 00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:40,958
  1432. His wife's lesbian roommates
  1433.  
  1434. 309
  1435. 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:43,124
  1436. not wanting to go
  1437. to their wedding,
  1438.  
  1439. 310
  1440. 00:14:43,125 --> 00:14:47,249
  1441. I think he saw something and said,
  1442. "Oh, there's something wrong here.
  1443.  
  1444. 311
  1445. 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:48,874
  1446. There's something
  1447. that can be better here.
  1448.  
  1449. 312
  1450. 00:14:48,875 --> 00:14:50,999
  1451. There's something I can fix.
  1452. I can do something.
  1453.  
  1454. 313
  1455. 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,791
  1456. And I don't think
  1457. he knew what or how,
  1458.  
  1459. 314
  1460. 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:55,541
  1461. but I know he wanted to.
  1462.  
  1463. 315
  1464. 00:14:55,542 --> 00:14:59,666
  1465. So, I, I, I still feel guilt,
  1466.  
  1467. 316
  1468. 00:14:59,667 --> 00:15:02,666
  1469. you know, with that,
  1470. that I, I, uh...
  1471.  
  1472. 317
  1473. 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:06,457
  1474. I just was, like,
  1475. a silent person, you know?
  1476.  
  1477. 318
  1478. 00:15:06,458 --> 00:15:08,666
  1479. Granted, my voice was pretty
  1480. meaningless at the time.
  1481.  
  1482. 319
  1483. 00:15:09,583 --> 00:15:10,999
  1484. Not to say a voice
  1485. is meaningless,
  1486.  
  1487. 320
  1488. 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,791
  1489. but I didn't have
  1490. any reach, you know?
  1491.  
  1492. 321
  1493. 00:15:12,792 --> 00:15:15,833
  1494. My band was
  1495. a big puddle of nothing.
  1496.  
  1497. 322
  1498. 00:15:15,834 --> 00:15:19,165
  1499. Growing up,
  1500. Dan was in different bands,
  1501.  
  1502. 323
  1503. 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:22,374
  1504. and he'd always
  1505. been making music,
  1506.  
  1507. 324
  1508. 00:15:22,375 --> 00:15:23,833
  1509. but there is no guarantee
  1510.  
  1511. 325
  1512. 00:15:23,834 --> 00:15:26,249
  1513. you can make something marketable
  1514. and earn a living at this.
  1515.  
  1516. 326
  1517. 00:15:28,458 --> 00:15:30,374
  1518. And I remember one time,
  1519.  
  1520. 327
  1521. 00:15:30,375 --> 00:15:32,708
  1522. sitting down with
  1523. my mom and dad,
  1524.  
  1525. 328
  1526. 00:15:32,709 --> 00:15:36,874
  1527. and they said, so Dan wants
  1528. to do this rock thing,
  1529.  
  1530. 329
  1531. 00:15:36,875 --> 00:15:38,040
  1532. be in a rock band.
  1533.  
  1534. 330
  1535. 00:15:38,041 --> 00:15:39,124
  1536. So, just tell us,
  1537.  
  1538. 331
  1539. 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:40,666
  1540. what's his chance of success?
  1541.  
  1542. 332
  1543. 00:15:40,667 --> 00:15:44,332
  1544. Regardless of the fact
  1545. that I knew he was driven,
  1546.  
  1547. 333
  1548. 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:45,874
  1549. and he had a good voice,
  1550.  
  1551. 334
  1552. 00:15:45,875 --> 00:15:47,833
  1553. and I thought he wrote
  1554. amazing melodies,
  1555.  
  1556. 335
  1557. 00:15:47,834 --> 00:15:49,499
  1558. I said zero.
  1559.  
  1560. 336
  1561. 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:53,999
  1562. ♪ I'm waking up
  1563. to ash and dust ♪
  1564.  
  1565. 337
  1566. 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,791
  1567. Imagine Dragons just,
  1568.  
  1569. 338
  1570. 00:15:55,792 --> 00:15:57,082
  1571. like, boo!
  1572.  
  1573. 339
  1574. 00:15:57,083 --> 00:15:59,499
  1575. ♪ I'm breathing in
  1576. the chemicals ♪
  1577.  
  1578. 340
  1579. 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,332
  1580. Imagine Dragons!
  1581.  
  1582. 341
  1583. 00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:04,207
  1584. Ah!
  1585.  
  1586. 342
  1587. 00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:05,332
  1588. Suddenly, it was, like,
  1589.  
  1590. 343
  1591. 00:16:05,333 --> 00:16:07,749
  1592. everybody just screaming at you,
  1593.  
  1594. 344
  1595. 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:10,290
  1596. you know, great things
  1597. and terrible things,
  1598.  
  1599. 345
  1600. 00:16:10,291 --> 00:16:12,499
  1601. and it was all just
  1602. a new thing to me.
  1603.  
  1604. 346
  1605. 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:14,207
  1606. What's been, like,
  1607. the biggest crowd response
  1608.  
  1609. 347
  1610. 00:16:14,208 --> 00:16:15,499
  1611. that you just felt overwhelmed?
  1612.  
  1613. 348
  1614. 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,374
  1615. I've been overwhelmed,
  1616. honestly, every night.
  1617.  
  1618. 349
  1619. 00:16:17,375 --> 00:16:21,457
  1620. I don't know that I can
  1621. think of many more opposite worlds
  1622.  
  1623. 350
  1624. 00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:24,040
  1625. than that of a Mormon missionary
  1626.  
  1627. 351
  1628. 00:16:24,041 --> 00:16:26,666
  1629. and that of a rock star.
  1630.  
  1631. 352
  1632. 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:31,124
  1633. It was completely shocking to me to
  1634. be kind of thrust into the world.
  1635.  
  1636. 353
  1637. 00:16:31,125 --> 00:16:32,499
  1638. Like, I had to relearn
  1639.  
  1640. 354
  1641. 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:35,249
  1642. everything about everything
  1643. I had known.
  1644.  
  1645. 355
  1646. 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:38,291
  1647. ♪ I'm radioactive, radioactive ♪
  1648.  
  1649. 356
  1650. 00:16:46,792 --> 00:16:50,083
  1651. Oh, Lord.
  1652.  
  1653. 357
  1654. 00:16:54,375 --> 00:16:55,749
  1655. "Love your music.
  1656.  
  1657. 358
  1658. 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:59,249
  1659. "I heard you have depression.
  1660. I also have depression,
  1661.  
  1662. 359
  1663. 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:02,416
  1664. "but listening to your music
  1665. really takes me away from it.
  1666.  
  1667. 360
  1668. 00:17:03,375 --> 00:17:04,833
  1669. "Right now, I feel worthless.
  1670.  
  1671. 361
  1672. 00:17:04,834 --> 00:17:07,791
  1673. "Life is just really hard.
  1674. I have no self-esteem,
  1675.  
  1676. 362
  1677. 00:17:07,792 --> 00:17:10,999
  1678. "but your music makes it much easier.
  1679. I'm thankful for your music.
  1680.  
  1681. 363
  1682. 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,208
  1683. I'm also very thankful
  1684. that you are Mormon."
  1685.  
  1686. 364
  1687. 00:17:14,417 --> 00:17:16,249
  1688. And if I type in Mormon,
  1689.  
  1690. 365
  1691. 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:18,999
  1692. there's, like, you know,
  1693. hundreds of emails.
  1694.  
  1695. 366
  1696. 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,124
  1697. "I'm in middle school,
  1698. and I'm Mormon,
  1699.  
  1700. 367
  1701. 00:17:21,125 --> 00:17:22,791
  1702. "but I'm very different.
  1703.  
  1704. 368
  1705. 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:25,874
  1706. "I'm not pretty.
  1707. I'm not popular,
  1708.  
  1709. 369
  1710. 00:17:25,875 --> 00:17:27,082
  1711. "but I don't care.
  1712.  
  1713. 370
  1714. 00:17:27,083 --> 00:17:28,457
  1715. "I have anxiety and depression.
  1716.  
  1717. 371
  1718. 00:17:28,458 --> 00:17:30,791
  1719. "I've had them
  1720. since I was young.
  1721.  
  1722. 372
  1723. 00:17:30,792 --> 00:17:32,749
  1724. "I was also told
  1725. this was Dan Reynolds,
  1726.  
  1727. 373
  1728. 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:35,749
  1729. and I thought it would be cool
  1730. to tell him about myself."
  1731.  
  1732. 374
  1733. 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:39,290
  1734. Suddenly, I started to really
  1735. realize the weight of something
  1736.  
  1737. 375
  1738. 00:17:39,291 --> 00:17:41,582
  1739. that I think I already knew,
  1740. which was that
  1741.  
  1742. 376
  1743. 00:17:41,583 --> 00:17:44,165
  1744. there's not a lot of
  1745. famous Mormons.
  1746.  
  1747. 377
  1748. 00:17:47,959 --> 00:17:49,791
  1749. "I want to tell you
  1750. something personal,
  1751.  
  1752. 378
  1753. 00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:51,457
  1754. "to show you how
  1755. important you are for me,
  1756.  
  1757. 379
  1758. 00:17:51,458 --> 00:17:52,791
  1759. "and how much you help me.
  1760.  
  1761. 380
  1762. 00:17:52,792 --> 00:17:55,290
  1763. "I'm struggling a lot with
  1764. self-acceptance and anxiety.
  1765.  
  1766. 381
  1767. 00:17:55,291 --> 00:17:56,791
  1768. "This is because
  1769. of many reasons.
  1770.  
  1771. 382
  1772. 00:17:56,792 --> 00:17:59,332
  1773. "There's one big thing
  1774. that annoys me the most...
  1775.  
  1776. 383
  1777. 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:00,791
  1778. "my sexuality.
  1779.  
  1780. 384
  1781. 00:18:00,792 --> 00:18:02,999
  1782. "I hate myself
  1783. for a lot of this.
  1784.  
  1785. 385
  1786. 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,290
  1787. "I don't even want to know where
  1788. I would be without your music.
  1789.  
  1790. 386
  1791. 00:18:07,291 --> 00:18:08,874
  1792. "I have no idea if you support
  1793.  
  1794. 387
  1795. 00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:11,958
  1796. "same-sex marriage,
  1797. since you are a Mormon.
  1798.  
  1799. 388
  1800. 00:18:11,959 --> 00:18:14,708
  1801. "If you don't, it's okay,
  1802. and I respect you,
  1803.  
  1804. 389
  1805. 00:18:14,709 --> 00:18:16,833
  1806. "but if you do support it,
  1807. thank you a lot,
  1808.  
  1809. 390
  1810. 00:18:16,834 --> 00:18:18,458
  1811. and it means the world to me."
  1812.  
  1813. 391
  1814. 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,416
  1815. Tom, who sent me this email.
  1816.  
  1817. 392
  1818. 00:18:22,417 --> 00:18:23,416
  1819. Says all these sweet things,
  1820.  
  1821. 393
  1822. 00:18:23,417 --> 00:18:24,875
  1823. and at the bottom,
  1824. you know, hey,
  1825.  
  1826. 394
  1827. 00:18:25,834 --> 00:18:27,416
  1828. you know, if you do,
  1829. I respect you,
  1830.  
  1831. 395
  1832. 00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:30,332
  1833. but I know that, how he, I know
  1834.  
  1835. 396
  1836. 00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:32,457
  1837. that he is hurt,
  1838.  
  1839. 397
  1840. 00:18:32,458 --> 00:18:35,708
  1841. and is looking for someone
  1842. from this band that he likes
  1843.  
  1844. 398
  1845. 00:18:35,709 --> 00:18:38,666
  1846. to tell him, no, Tom,
  1847. I'm not judging you, you know.
  1848.  
  1849. 399
  1850. 00:18:38,667 --> 00:18:39,999
  1851. And I never even wrote him back,
  1852.  
  1853. 400
  1854. 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,833
  1855. 'cause I haven't read
  1856. that email till right now
  1857.  
  1858. 401
  1859. 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:44,624
  1860. 'cause there's
  1861. so many emails, but...
  1862.  
  1863. 402
  1864. 00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:57,082
  1865. This is, this is
  1866. something that I've...
  1867.  
  1868. 403
  1869. 00:18:57,083 --> 00:18:59,791
  1870. really had on my mind for years,
  1871.  
  1872. 404
  1873. 00:18:59,792 --> 00:19:02,249
  1874. and it's come to a head,
  1875. I think, lately...
  1876.  
  1877. 405
  1878. 00:19:04,125 --> 00:19:06,791
  1879. ...because I'm,
  1880. because I associate
  1881.  
  1882. 406
  1883. 00:19:06,792 --> 00:19:10,040
  1884. and my, my, my family's Mormon.
  1885.  
  1886. 407
  1887. 00:19:10,041 --> 00:19:11,457
  1888. It's my culture.
  1889.  
  1890. 408
  1891. 00:19:11,458 --> 00:19:13,624
  1892. I know that there are
  1893. so many people like this.
  1894.  
  1895. 409
  1896. 00:19:13,625 --> 00:19:17,332
  1897. Mormons who, I know, look up
  1898. to me as a person, you know,
  1899.  
  1900. 410
  1901. 00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:19,709
  1902. standing as a face
  1903. for the Mormon Church.
  1904.  
  1905. 411
  1906. 00:19:24,917 --> 00:19:26,666
  1907. Um...
  1908.  
  1909. 412
  1910. 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,082
  1911. Yeah, I've been so conflicted,
  1912.  
  1913. 413
  1914. 00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:30,249
  1915. 'cause I don't know
  1916. whether to, you know,
  1917.  
  1918. 414
  1919. 00:19:30,250 --> 00:19:34,082
  1920. let down all these people who are
  1921. Mormon, and, and looking to me,
  1922.  
  1923. 415
  1924. 00:19:34,083 --> 00:19:37,749
  1925. or... to be part of...
  1926.  
  1927. 416
  1928. 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:40,500
  1929. To stand back, and then be...
  1930.  
  1931. 417
  1932. 00:19:42,291 --> 00:19:45,207
  1933. If I'm passive,
  1934. if I'm just standing...
  1935.  
  1936. 418
  1937. 00:19:45,208 --> 00:19:47,165
  1938. If I just stand back and say,
  1939. I don't want to talk about
  1940.  
  1941. 419
  1942. 00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:49,874
  1943. Mormonism or something
  1944. in the press and stuff,
  1945.  
  1946. 420
  1947. 00:19:49,875 --> 00:19:53,207
  1948. then I've, I have felt this...
  1949. Which I have done,
  1950.  
  1951. 421
  1952. 00:19:53,208 --> 00:19:55,834
  1953. um, then I feel
  1954. this burden like...
  1955.  
  1956. 422
  1957. 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:58,709
  1958. I feel guilt. I feel like...
  1959.  
  1960. 423
  1961. 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:03,333
  1962. I am standing then for bigotry.
  1963.  
  1964. 424
  1965. 00:20:12,417 --> 00:20:15,541
  1966. I went on a mission at 19.
  1967.  
  1968. 425
  1969. 00:20:15,542 --> 00:20:17,249
  1970. I think it just felt like a safe
  1971.  
  1972. 426
  1973. 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,958
  1974. choice to go and give me more
  1975. space to figure out myself, so,
  1976.  
  1977. 427
  1978. 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:25,290
  1979. I got called to Nebraska,
  1980. and I was kinda hoping
  1981.  
  1982. 428
  1983. 00:20:25,291 --> 00:20:27,917
  1984. I was gonna go to, like,
  1985. Tokyo or something.
  1986.  
  1987. 429
  1988. 00:20:35,291 --> 00:20:37,708
  1989. Tyler and I both
  1990. served in Omaha, Nebraska.
  1991.  
  1992. 430
  1993. 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:39,958
  1994. He had finished his two years
  1995. right as I was coming out.
  1996.  
  1997. 431
  1998. 00:20:39,959 --> 00:20:41,791
  1999. Like, we barely linked
  2000. like that,
  2001.  
  2002. 432
  2003. 00:20:41,792 --> 00:20:42,916
  2004. but it was enough that, like,
  2005.  
  2006. 433
  2007. 00:20:42,917 --> 00:20:46,916
  2008. the shadow of Tyler
  2009. was still there.
  2010.  
  2011. 434
  2012. 00:20:46,917 --> 00:20:51,874
  2013. My first companion had a CD that
  2014. said, like, "Tyler Glenn" on it,
  2015.  
  2016. 435
  2017. 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,749
  2018. and he told me that
  2019. it was this missionary,
  2020.  
  2021. 436
  2022. 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:55,917
  2023. and was writing
  2024. songs in his spare time.
  2025.  
  2026. 437
  2027. 00:20:56,834 --> 00:20:59,666
  2028. ♪ Jesus got my back ♪
  2029.  
  2030. 438
  2031. 00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:01,165
  2032. Yeah, on my mission,
  2033.  
  2034. 439
  2035. 00:21:01,166 --> 00:21:03,374
  2036. I had, really,
  2037. a great experience.
  2038.  
  2039. 440
  2040. 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:06,499
  2041. It really shaped this, sort of,
  2042.  
  2043. 441
  2044. 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:10,457
  2045. headphone-wearing, like,
  2046. kind of, pseudo-Goth kid
  2047.  
  2048. 442
  2049. 00:21:10,458 --> 00:21:14,208
  2050. uh, into like, a... someone
  2051. that could talk to people.
  2052.  
  2053. 443
  2054. 00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:18,457
  2055. Yeah, and I got home, and,
  2056.  
  2057. 444
  2058. 00:21:18,458 --> 00:21:20,666
  2059. and, uh,
  2060.  
  2061. 445
  2062. 00:21:20,667 --> 00:21:23,833
  2063. then I... decided to be
  2064. gay for a little bit.
  2065.  
  2066. 446
  2067. 00:21:24,792 --> 00:21:26,999
  2068. And that started the conflict.
  2069.  
  2070. 447
  2071. 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,249
  2072. ♪ Hey baby,
  2073. won't you look my way? ♪
  2074.  
  2075. 448
  2076. 00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:33,374
  2077. ♪ I can be your new addiction ♪
  2078.  
  2079. 449
  2080. 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,958
  2081. I got home from my mission,
  2082.  
  2083. 450
  2084. 00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:38,040
  2085. and Tyler has started
  2086. a band called Neon Trees.
  2087.  
  2088. 451
  2089. 00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:40,207
  2090. ♪ It started with a whisper ♪
  2091.  
  2092. 452
  2093. 00:21:40,208 --> 00:21:43,082
  2094. His band blew up,
  2095. and then my band blew up.
  2096.  
  2097. 453
  2098. 00:21:43,083 --> 00:21:45,165
  2099. I would see him at festivals.
  2100. I'd be like, hey,
  2101.  
  2102. 454
  2103. 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:46,916
  2104. guy that's Mormon in that band,
  2105.  
  2106. 455
  2107. 00:21:46,917 --> 00:21:50,082
  2108. hey, I'm guy over here
  2109. that's Mormon in this band.
  2110.  
  2111. 456
  2112. 00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:52,457
  2113. I followed him.
  2114. I saw the things that he was saying
  2115.  
  2116. 457
  2117. 00:21:52,458 --> 00:21:54,749
  2118. because he was, like,
  2119. a Mormon in the press.
  2120.  
  2121. 458
  2122. 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:56,207
  2123. Being gay and closeted,
  2124.  
  2125. 459
  2126. 00:21:56,208 --> 00:21:58,082
  2127. I became a master
  2128. compartmentalizer.
  2129.  
  2130. 460
  2131. 00:21:58,083 --> 00:22:00,541
  2132. I was able to, sort of,
  2133. compartmentalize
  2134.  
  2135. 461
  2136. 00:22:00,542 --> 00:22:03,166
  2137. a version of Mormonism that fit.
  2138.  
  2139. 462
  2140. 00:22:04,375 --> 00:22:06,541
  2141. So, come 29,
  2142.  
  2143. 463
  2144. 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,457
  2145. and we've put out
  2146. two successful records,
  2147.  
  2148. 464
  2149. 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,082
  2150. and we toured
  2151. the world six times.
  2152.  
  2153. 465
  2154. 00:22:10,083 --> 00:22:13,582
  2155. I'm living my dream, you know,
  2156. so, like, I should be happy.
  2157.  
  2158. 466
  2159. 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,416
  2160. And I'm not content at all,
  2161. and I'm thinking,
  2162.  
  2163. 467
  2164. 00:22:16,417 --> 00:22:18,582
  2165. I can't keep thinking
  2166. this is a cool secret
  2167.  
  2168. 468
  2169. 00:22:18,583 --> 00:22:20,582
  2170. that I can live with
  2171. the rest of my life.
  2172.  
  2173. 469
  2174. 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:23,166
  2175. It was like, I just,
  2176. I have to come out.
  2177.  
  2178. 470
  2179. 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,833
  2180. I came out to my producer.
  2181.  
  2182. 471
  2183. 00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:30,082
  2184. I was just like, Tim,
  2185.  
  2186. 472
  2187. 00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,749
  2188. do you want to know what
  2189. these songs are about?
  2190.  
  2191. 473
  2192. 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:34,207
  2193. And, like...
  2194.  
  2195. 474
  2196. 00:22:34,208 --> 00:22:37,416
  2197. just saying it to him,
  2198. and having,
  2199.  
  2200. 475
  2201. 00:22:37,417 --> 00:22:39,207
  2202. sort of the reaction,
  2203.  
  2204. 476
  2205. 00:22:39,208 --> 00:22:43,582
  2206. from a... from, like, a straight
  2207. man, like, I always feared...
  2208.  
  2209. 477
  2210. 00:22:43,583 --> 00:22:46,916
  2211. would probably ridicule me
  2212. because that was my experience.
  2213.  
  2214. 478
  2215. 00:22:46,917 --> 00:22:47,916
  2216. Um...
  2217.  
  2218. 479
  2219. 00:22:47,917 --> 00:22:50,290
  2220. He, like, said,
  2221. I'm so happy for you,
  2222.  
  2223. 480
  2224. 00:22:50,291 --> 00:22:53,457
  2225. and it was the first time
  2226. that I ever, um,
  2227.  
  2228. 481
  2229. 00:22:53,458 --> 00:22:57,666
  2230. attributed, like, positivity,
  2231. ever, to being gay.
  2232.  
  2233. 482
  2234. 00:22:57,667 --> 00:23:00,791
  2235. I was expecting my life
  2236. to turn to shit,
  2237.  
  2238. 483
  2239. 00:23:00,792 --> 00:23:03,249
  2240. or to feel
  2241.  
  2242. 484
  2243. 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:05,290
  2244. sinful or shame,
  2245. and I didn't at all.
  2246.  
  2247. 485
  2248. 00:23:05,291 --> 00:23:07,290
  2249. And it was, I was met with such,
  2250.  
  2251. 486
  2252. 00:23:07,291 --> 00:23:08,499
  2253. um...
  2254.  
  2255. 487
  2256. 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,417
  2257. you know, just inclusion.
  2258.  
  2259. 488
  2260. 00:23:11,625 --> 00:23:14,082
  2261. It was, you know,
  2262. three years after Prop 8,
  2263.  
  2264. 489
  2265. 00:23:14,083 --> 00:23:17,416
  2266. so I was met with a lot of
  2267. IDS people saying,
  2268.  
  2269. 490
  2270. 00:23:17,417 --> 00:23:19,916
  2271. we need this
  2272. conversation to broaden.
  2273.  
  2274. 491
  2275. 00:23:19,917 --> 00:23:21,416
  2276. As a church,
  2277.  
  2278. 492
  2279. 00:23:21,417 --> 00:23:24,833
  2280. nobody should be more
  2281. loving and compassionate.
  2282.  
  2283. 493
  2284. 00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:26,582
  2285. No family who has anybody
  2286.  
  2287. 494
  2288. 00:23:26,583 --> 00:23:28,999
  2289. who has the same-gender
  2290. issue should, uh,
  2291.  
  2292. 495
  2293. 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040
  2294. exclude them
  2295. from the family circle.
  2296.  
  2297. 496
  2298. 00:23:31,041 --> 00:23:34,290
  2299. Tyler did an interview with
  2300. Rolling Stone that was like,
  2301.  
  2302. 497
  2303. 00:23:34,291 --> 00:23:36,124
  2304. I'm gonna be gay and Mormon,
  2305.  
  2306. 498
  2307. 00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:38,249
  2308. and I'm gonna make it work.
  2309.  
  2310. 499
  2311. 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,582
  2312. And I feel like a lot of
  2313. the Mormon community was like,
  2314.  
  2315. 500
  2316. 00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:42,499
  2317. Woo-hoo! Look at this!
  2318.  
  2319. 501
  2320. 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,249
  2321. He's gay and he's Mormon.
  2322. He's gonna make it work.
  2323.  
  2324. 502
  2325. 00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:45,624
  2326. What does that mean?
  2327. Maybe he's celibate?
  2328.  
  2329. 503
  2330. 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,332
  2331. I don't know, but hey,
  2332. he's gonna make it work.
  2333.  
  2334. 504
  2335. 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:48,916
  2336. He's happy. You know?
  2337.  
  2338. 505
  2339. 00:23:48,917 --> 00:23:51,374
  2340. I started dating
  2341. a guy openly, and...
  2342.  
  2343. 506
  2344. 00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:54,833
  2345. I took him to Temple Square.
  2346.  
  2347. 507
  2348. 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:57,040
  2349. For me, it was like,
  2350. when you and I have a kid,
  2351.  
  2352. 508
  2353. 00:23:57,041 --> 00:24:00,499
  2354. we're raising him Mormon,
  2355. and this means a lot to me.
  2356.  
  2357. 509
  2358. 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,082
  2359. And about a month after that,
  2360.  
  2361. 510
  2362. 00:24:03,083 --> 00:24:04,582
  2363. um, it was November 5th,
  2364.  
  2365. 511
  2366. 00:24:04,583 --> 00:24:08,082
  2367. and a Po...
  2368. The policy was leaked.
  2369.  
  2370. 512
  2371. 00:24:08,083 --> 00:24:10,541
  2372. The Church of Jesus Christ
  2373. of Latter-day Saints
  2374.  
  2375. 513
  2376. 00:24:10,542 --> 00:24:13,332
  2377. has come under intense scrutiny
  2378. following their new official
  2379.  
  2380. 514
  2381. 00:24:13,333 --> 00:24:16,666
  2382. orders against homosexuality,
  2383. baptism and children.
  2384.  
  2385. 515
  2386. 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:19,624
  2387. The new policy change states
  2388. that same-sex couples
  2389.  
  2390. 516
  2391. 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,374
  2392. will also now be
  2393. considered apostates,
  2394.  
  2395. 517
  2396. 00:24:21,375 --> 00:24:24,541
  2397. saying it will no longer
  2398. bless or baptize children
  2399.  
  2400. 518
  2401. 00:24:24,542 --> 00:24:28,124
  2402. of same-sex couples
  2403. until the child turns 18.
  2404.  
  2405. 519
  2406. 00:24:28,125 --> 00:24:29,624
  2407. Once a child turns 18,
  2408.  
  2409. 520
  2410. 00:24:29,625 --> 00:24:32,374
  2411. he or she will have to disavow
  2412. same-sex marriage,
  2413.  
  2414. 521
  2415. 00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:35,625
  2416. then they can be blessed
  2417. and baptized by the church.
  2418.  
  2419. 522
  2420. 00:24:37,125 --> 00:24:39,082
  2421. There was a
  2422. variant in the church.
  2423.  
  2424. 523
  2425. 00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:41,749
  2426. It suddenly felt dark, and I'd
  2427. never felt dark at church.
  2428.  
  2429. 524
  2430. 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:43,791
  2431. I'd always felt like,
  2432. this is the safe place,
  2433.  
  2434. 525
  2435. 00:24:43,792 --> 00:24:45,124
  2436. and I need to cling to this.
  2437.  
  2438. 526
  2439. 00:24:45,125 --> 00:24:49,541
  2440. Um, I'm watching my brother
  2441. baptize his son,
  2442.  
  2443. 527
  2444. 00:24:49,542 --> 00:24:51,416
  2445. and he, and I don't
  2446. ever get to do that
  2447.  
  2448. 528
  2449. 00:24:51,417 --> 00:24:54,457
  2450. because I'm gay
  2451. and he's straight, and, um...
  2452.  
  2453. 529
  2454. 00:24:54,458 --> 00:24:56,999
  2455. I just had taken, you know...
  2456.  
  2457. 530
  2458. 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,500
  2459. the guy I was seeing to the temple
  2460. and I was doing all of these...
  2461.  
  2462. 531
  2463. 00:25:01,917 --> 00:25:04,541
  2464. these things to sort of
  2465. remain, and I...
  2466.  
  2467. 532
  2468. 00:25:04,542 --> 00:25:07,124
  2469. It just hit me that
  2470. I have to leave.
  2471.  
  2472. 533
  2473. 00:25:07,125 --> 00:25:08,833
  2474. And I remember...
  2475.  
  2476. 534
  2477. 00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:12,125
  2478. telling my mom on the way
  2479. to dinner after the baptism.
  2480.  
  2481. 535
  2482. 00:25:14,583 --> 00:25:16,582
  2483. I'm like, Mom, I, I...
  2484.  
  2485. 536
  2486. 00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:19,374
  2487. I believe, and I, um...
  2488.  
  2489. 537
  2490. 00:25:19,375 --> 00:25:20,666
  2491. and I know
  2492. the Book of Mormon is true.
  2493.  
  2494. 538
  2495. 00:25:20,667 --> 00:25:22,332
  2496. I know the church is true,
  2497. but I have to leave
  2498.  
  2499. 539
  2500. 00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:24,999
  2501. because, like,
  2502. they've clearly drawn a line,
  2503.  
  2504. 540
  2505. 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,667
  2506. and it feels like the last,
  2507. you know, gut punch.
  2508.  
  2509. 541
  2510. 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,582
  2511. ♪ Faith ♪
  2512.  
  2513. 542
  2514. 00:25:32,583 --> 00:25:35,082
  2515. ♪ Please have a little in me ♪
  2516.  
  2517. 543
  2518. 00:25:35,083 --> 00:25:36,250
  2519. ♪ Hate ♪
  2520.  
  2521. 544
  2522. 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:40,249
  2523. ♪ I know you hate it
  2524. when I stray ♪
  2525.  
  2526. 545
  2527. 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:42,040
  2528. ♪ But I tried everything ♪
  2529.  
  2530. 546
  2531. 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,457
  2532. ♪ I drank the wine
  2533. and stained the sheets ♪
  2534.  
  2535. 547
  2536. 00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:49,416
  2537. ♪ I'm clumsy when I speak ♪
  2538.  
  2539. 548
  2540. 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:52,040
  2541. I just realized,
  2542. I need to make an album
  2543.  
  2544. 549
  2545. 00:25:52,041 --> 00:25:53,207
  2546. about all these feelings.
  2547.  
  2548. 550
  2549. 00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:56,541
  2550. ♪ You never call me anymore ♪
  2551.  
  2552. 551
  2553. 00:25:56,542 --> 00:25:57,958
  2554. Tyler put out a record
  2555.  
  2556. 552
  2557. 00:25:57,959 --> 00:26:01,207
  2558. that was very controversial
  2559. within the Mormon community.
  2560.  
  2561. 553
  2562. 00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:05,999
  2563. ♪ God, where the hell
  2564. are you hiding? ♪
  2565.  
  2566. 554
  2567. 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,958
  2568. ♪ My hands are in the air
  2569. and I'm excited ♪
  2570.  
  2571. 555
  2572. 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,290
  2573. It was very visceral,
  2574. and, like, very angry.
  2575.  
  2576. 556
  2577. 00:26:13,291 --> 00:26:14,791
  2578. He was, like, ripping up
  2579. the Book of Mormon,
  2580.  
  2581. 557
  2582. 00:26:14,792 --> 00:26:17,582
  2583. and he was painting on,
  2584. like, the apostles' faces.
  2585.  
  2586. 558
  2587. 00:26:17,583 --> 00:26:20,290
  2588. A lot of Mormons saw that
  2589. and were, like,
  2590.  
  2591. 559
  2592. 00:26:20,291 --> 00:26:22,332
  2593. offended and angry at Tyler.
  2594.  
  2595. 560
  2596. 00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:25,541
  2597. And then I think a lot of Mormons
  2598. saw it and were hurt for Tyler.
  2599.  
  2600. 561
  2601. 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:29,332
  2602. It definitely weighed, like,
  2603. very heavily on my heart.
  2604.  
  2605. 562
  2606. 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:32,249
  2607. ♪ I've been on the run ♪
  2608.  
  2609. 563
  2610. 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:34,749
  2611. ♪ So I'm not coming Sunday ♪
  2612.  
  2613. 564
  2614. 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,082
  2615. ♪ It's all right ♪
  2616.  
  2617. 565
  2618. 00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:38,916
  2619. ♪ I'll probably talk to you ♪
  2620.  
  2621. 566
  2622. 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:43,333
  2623. ♪ At midnight ♪
  2624.  
  2625. 567
  2626. 00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:48,250
  2627. Cool.
  2628.  
  2629. 568
  2630. 00:26:52,667 --> 00:26:53,666
  2631. Hey, dude.
  2632.  
  2633. 569
  2634. 00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,290
  2635. Hey, how you doing man?
  2636.  
  2637. 570
  2638. 00:26:55,291 --> 00:26:56,582
  2639. Good, man.
  2640.  
  2641. 571
  2642. 00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,503
  2643. Man, I don't even
  2644. know where to start. Um...
  2645.  
  2646. 572
  2647. 00:26:59,667 --> 00:27:03,666
  2648. Really, I, I feel like
  2649. I should've made this call,
  2650.  
  2651. 573
  2652. 00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:05,667
  2653. like, two years ago.
  2654.  
  2655. 574
  2656. 00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:09,959
  2657. You know, I've watched
  2658. you over the last...
  2659.  
  2660. 575
  2661. 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:12,207
  2662. you know, couple years,
  2663.  
  2664. 576
  2665. 00:27:12,208 --> 00:27:14,290
  2666. and I've watched you
  2667. just go through this,
  2668.  
  2669. 577
  2670. 00:27:14,291 --> 00:27:15,624
  2671. and I've been like,
  2672.  
  2673. 578
  2674. 00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:17,666
  2675. a really...
  2676.  
  2677. 579
  2678. 00:27:17,667 --> 00:27:19,708
  2679. shitty bystander, honestly.
  2680.  
  2681. 580
  2682. 00:27:19,709 --> 00:27:21,040
  2683. And so I guess, first...
  2684. Mm.
  2685.  
  2686. 581
  2687. 00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:23,874
  2688. I just want to, like,
  2689. apologize because I feel like,
  2690.  
  2691. 582
  2692. 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,041
  2693. you know, I feel like,
  2694.  
  2695. 583
  2696. 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,874
  2697. you know, I don't know who else
  2698.  
  2699. 584
  2700. 00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:31,290
  2701. you could relate to...
  2702. How many other people
  2703.  
  2704. 585
  2705. 00:27:31,291 --> 00:27:33,332
  2706. you could relate to in
  2707. this industry that are, like,
  2708.  
  2709. 586
  2710. 00:27:33,333 --> 00:27:36,541
  2711. Mormon, and have to feel
  2712. conflicted about
  2713.  
  2714. 587
  2715. 00:27:36,542 --> 00:27:38,374
  2716. all these things,
  2717. and I don't know...
  2718.  
  2719. 588
  2720. 00:27:38,375 --> 00:27:40,666
  2721. Dude, thanks. That really
  2722. means a lot. Thank you.
  2723.  
  2724. 589
  2725. 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,207
  2726. Wow, that's really cool.
  2727.  
  2728. 590
  2729. 00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:43,874
  2730. Seriously. Seriously.
  2731.  
  2732. 591
  2733. 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:46,708
  2734. But the question I wanted
  2735. to ask you is, what now?
  2736.  
  2737. 592
  2738. 00:27:46,709 --> 00:27:48,541
  2739. Like, what can I do...
  2740.  
  2741. 593
  2742. 00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:50,916
  2743. I know.
  2744. ...to what can, like...
  2745.  
  2746. 594
  2747. 00:27:50,917 --> 00:27:52,874
  2748. You know, I had, like,
  2749. this little idea in my head,
  2750.  
  2751. 595
  2752. 00:27:52,875 --> 00:27:54,082
  2753. and tell me if it's stupid.
  2754.  
  2755. 596
  2756. 00:27:54,083 --> 00:27:57,416
  2757. What if me and you got together,
  2758. and we put on, like,
  2759.  
  2760. 597
  2761. 00:27:57,417 --> 00:27:59,249
  2762. a big event in Salt Lake City?
  2763.  
  2764. 598
  2765. 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:02,041
  2766. Me, you, some people who can
  2767. come together, and be, like...
  2768.  
  2769. 599
  2770. 00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:06,332
  2771. inclusive of everybody,
  2772. and tell them all, like,
  2773.  
  2774. 600
  2775. 00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:07,749
  2776. this needs to change.
  2777.  
  2778. 601
  2779. 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:09,791
  2780. You know, I know we can't
  2781. force the church to change it,
  2782.  
  2783. 602
  2784. 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:12,541
  2785. but maybe we can, like,
  2786. by raising more awareness,
  2787.  
  2788. 603
  2789. 00:28:12,542 --> 00:28:13,916
  2790. and making more Mormons,
  2791.  
  2792. 604
  2793. 00:28:13,917 --> 00:28:16,207
  2794. in their heart, feel like
  2795. this isn't right,
  2796.  
  2797. 605
  2798. 00:28:16,208 --> 00:28:17,916
  2799. maybe that's the begin...
  2800. You know what I mean?
  2801.  
  2802. 606
  2803. 00:28:17,917 --> 00:28:19,082
  2804. Maybe that's what's gonna start
  2805.  
  2806. 607
  2807. 00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:20,582
  2808. the change.
  2809. That's what it takes, man.
  2810.  
  2811. 608
  2812. 00:28:20,583 --> 00:28:22,249
  2813. Dude, I'm down.
  2814. Like, absolutely.
  2815.  
  2816. 609
  2817. 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,290
  2818. Let's do it.
  2819.  
  2820. 610
  2821. 00:28:26,125 --> 00:28:27,749
  2822. I'm so amped right now.
  2823.  
  2824. 611
  2825. 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:29,582
  2826. I'm like, we're gonna do
  2827. this amazing thing!
  2828.  
  2829. 612
  2830. 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,666
  2831. This is for Mormons,
  2832. this is for non-Mormons.
  2833.  
  2834. 613
  2835. 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,958
  2836. This is for the LGBT
  2837. non-Mormons,
  2838.  
  2839. 614
  2840. 00:28:34,959 --> 00:28:38,082
  2841. LGBT Mormons. Like, this is
  2842. for the world to come to.
  2843.  
  2844. 615
  2845. 00:28:38,083 --> 00:28:39,249
  2846. So, you know what
  2847. I thought about?
  2848.  
  2849. 616
  2850. 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:40,666
  2851. First thing that came to my mind?
  2852. What?
  2853.  
  2854. 617
  2855. 00:28:40,667 --> 00:28:43,499
  2856. Food. What are
  2857. we gonna do for food?
  2858.  
  2859. 618
  2860. 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,457
  2861. If we can get
  2862. food trucks, awesome.
  2863.  
  2864. 619
  2865. 00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:47,791
  2866. That's what I think.
  2867. I'm thinking food,
  2868.  
  2869. 620
  2870. 00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:49,124
  2871. and really what
  2872. I should be thinking is
  2873.  
  2874. 621
  2875. 00:28:49,125 --> 00:28:51,666
  2876. how do we not offend 50
  2877. percent of the people who come?
  2878.  
  2879. 622
  2880. 00:28:51,667 --> 00:28:53,082
  2881. You're just trying
  2882. to enlighten people.
  2883.  
  2884. 623
  2885. 00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:54,833
  2886. You're not trying
  2887. to offend anyone.
  2888.  
  2889. 624
  2890. 00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:57,290
  2891. See what you just said right there?
  2892. Enlighten people.
  2893.  
  2894. 625
  2895. 00:28:57,291 --> 00:28:59,165
  2896. You think that's offensive?
  2897. That says to people,
  2898.  
  2899. 626
  2900. 00:28:59,166 --> 00:29:01,833
  2901. you're in the dark,
  2902. let me enlighten you.
  2903.  
  2904. 627
  2905. 00:29:01,834 --> 00:29:03,999
  2906. No, no, no, no, no.
  2907. Educate.
  2908.  
  2909. 628
  2910. 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,958
  2911. You're stupid,
  2912. let me educate you.
  2913.  
  2914. 629
  2915. 00:29:05,959 --> 00:29:07,791
  2916. No. That's not true.
  2917.  
  2918. 630
  2919. 00:29:07,792 --> 00:29:09,457
  2920. I think people don't
  2921. know statistics.
  2922.  
  2923. 631
  2924. 00:29:09,458 --> 00:29:11,582
  2925. They don't know the reality
  2926. of what's happening.
  2927.  
  2928. 632
  2929. 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:13,374
  2930. You can't come in and say,
  2931. "You're wrong."
  2932.  
  2933. 633
  2934. 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:15,499
  2935. No. You have to come in and say,
  2936.  
  2937. 634
  2938. 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,499
  2939. "Let's talk, and believe in
  2940.  
  2941. 635
  2942. 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,624
  2943. the goodness of people." You
  2944. have to change people's minds
  2945.  
  2946. 636
  2947. 00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:21,165
  2948. as a friend and an ally.
  2949.  
  2950. 637
  2951. 00:29:21,166 --> 00:29:22,999
  2952. You don't have to change
  2953. people's minds.
  2954.  
  2955. 638
  2956. 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,249
  2957. They have to change their minds.
  2958.  
  2959. 639
  2960. 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:26,999
  2961. We have to, like,
  2962. in my opinion, it's like...
  2963.  
  2964. 640
  2965. 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,791
  2966. Did you put boloney in this?
  2967.  
  2968. 641
  2969. 00:29:28,792 --> 00:29:30,124
  2970. There's ham in there.
  2971.  
  2972. 642
  2973. 00:29:30,125 --> 00:29:31,958
  2974. It's really weird tasting.
  2975. Is it?
  2976.  
  2977. 643
  2978. 00:29:31,959 --> 00:29:33,666
  2979. We don't usually put ham
  2980. in sandwiches, right?
  2981.  
  2982. 644
  2983. 00:29:33,667 --> 00:29:35,999
  2984. This is the first time. No,
  2985. but it's, like, what was in there.
  2986.  
  2987. 645
  2988. 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,541
  2989. The Mormon... This is where
  2990. I was raised, Mormonism.
  2991.  
  2992. 646
  2993. 00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:40,708
  2994. So, this is my community,
  2995. these are my people.
  2996.  
  2997. 647
  2998. 00:29:40,709 --> 00:29:42,833
  2999. That's the last thing
  3000. that I want to do
  3001.  
  3002. 648
  3003. 00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:44,666
  3004. is to say,
  3005. "I'm right, you're wrong."
  3006.  
  3007. 649
  3008. 00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,124
  3009. "Look, come and let me
  3010. tell you why."
  3011.  
  3012. 650
  3013. 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,457
  3014. It needs to be,
  3015. everybody come to the table
  3016.  
  3017. 651
  3018. 00:29:48,458 --> 00:29:50,374
  3019. and let's see what's happening.
  3020.  
  3021. 652
  3022. 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:53,249
  3023. This is... these are
  3024. the people who are in it.
  3025.  
  3026. 653
  3027. 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,624
  3028. You know.
  3029. Yeah.
  3030.  
  3031. 654
  3032. 00:29:54,625 --> 00:29:57,582
  3033. Their message is 10 times more
  3034. powerful than me getting up,
  3035.  
  3036. 655
  3037. 00:29:57,583 --> 00:30:00,374
  3038. Hey, I'm the singer of Imagine
  3039. Dragons. You know that song?
  3040.  
  3041. 656
  3042. 00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:02,999
  3043. ♪ Radioactive! Radioactive! ♪
  3044.  
  3045. 657
  3046. 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,207
  3047. Now let me tell you everything
  3048. that I know about this subject
  3049.  
  3050. 658
  3051. 00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,124
  3052. because I really don't
  3053. know that much,
  3054.  
  3055. 659
  3056. 00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:08,999
  3057. and everybody's gonna be like...
  3058.  
  3059. 660
  3060. 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,165
  3061. I'm all heart. I'm...
  3062. The education is yet to come.
  3063.  
  3064. 661
  3065. 00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:15,082
  3066. So...
  3067.  
  3068. 662
  3069. 00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:16,959
  3070. Oh gosh. Well, hey,
  3071.  
  3072. 663
  3073. 00:30:17,875 --> 00:30:19,582
  3074. we are kind of all heart.
  3075.  
  3076. 664
  3077. 00:30:25,709 --> 00:30:26,708
  3078. Hello?
  3079.  
  3080. 665
  3081. 00:30:26,709 --> 00:30:27,792
  3082. John, how you doing?
  3083.  
  3084. 666
  3085. 00:30:28,709 --> 00:30:30,708
  3086. Good, how are you, Dan?
  3087. Hey.
  3088.  
  3089. 667
  3090. 00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:32,874
  3091. It's an honor to, uh...
  3092.  
  3093. 668
  3094. 00:30:32,875 --> 00:30:34,249
  3095. to, to talk and to meet.
  3096.  
  3097. 669
  3098. 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:35,708
  3099. Right back at you.
  3100. Yeah. Virtually.
  3101.  
  3102. 670
  3103. 00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:37,165
  3104. Can you hear and see me okay?
  3105.  
  3106. 671
  3107. 00:30:37,166 --> 00:30:39,082
  3108. Yeah, I, I hear
  3109. and I see you good.
  3110.  
  3111. 672
  3112. 00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:41,541
  3113. Um, you're a little choppy
  3114. here and there, but not bad.
  3115.  
  3116. 673
  3117. 00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:44,332
  3118. I'll close a bunch of windows
  3119. and just make sure.
  3120.  
  3121. 674
  3122. 00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:46,958
  3123. Yeah, are you playing World of
  3124. Warcraft while you're talking to me?
  3125.  
  3126. 675
  3127. 00:30:46,959 --> 00:30:50,040
  3128. No, I'm not.
  3129.  
  3130. 676
  3131. 00:30:50,041 --> 00:30:51,207
  3132. My name is John Dehlin,
  3133.  
  3134. 677
  3135. 00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:54,040
  3136. and I'm a sixth-generation
  3137. Mormon,
  3138.  
  3139. 678
  3140. 00:30:54,041 --> 00:30:58,082
  3141. raised, uh, as a devout
  3142. orthodox-believing Mormon.
  3143.  
  3144. 679
  3145. 00:30:58,083 --> 00:30:59,624
  3146. Mormonism was everything to me
  3147.  
  3148. 680
  3149. 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:01,082
  3150. 'cause my parents
  3151. had been divorced,
  3152.  
  3153. 681
  3154. 00:31:01,083 --> 00:31:04,207
  3155. and I felt like the church
  3156. took care of me and nurtured me
  3157.  
  3158. 682
  3159. 00:31:04,208 --> 00:31:06,124
  3160. when my family
  3161. was falling apart.
  3162.  
  3163. 683
  3164. 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:07,833
  3165. In 2009, I started a PhD
  3166.  
  3167. 684
  3168. 00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:10,207
  3169. in clinical
  3170. and counseling psychology.
  3171.  
  3172. 685
  3173. 00:31:10,208 --> 00:31:14,541
  3174. I was just noticing all these LGBT Mormons
  3175. that were depressed and suicidal,
  3176.  
  3177. 686
  3178. 00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:15,916
  3179. and, um...
  3180.  
  3181. 687
  3182. 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:18,457
  3183. the church was encouraging
  3184. mixed orientation marriages,
  3185.  
  3186. 688
  3187. 00:31:18,458 --> 00:31:20,999
  3188. where you're gay, but you
  3189. marry a straight person.
  3190.  
  3191. 689
  3192. 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,332
  3193. My name is Ricardo.
  3194.  
  3195. 690
  3196. 00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:25,290
  3197. I am a Mormon.
  3198.  
  3199. 691
  3200. 00:31:25,291 --> 00:31:27,999
  3201. I'm a father of six children,
  3202.  
  3203. 692
  3204. 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,624
  3205. and I am attracted to men.
  3206.  
  3207. 693
  3208. 00:31:29,625 --> 00:31:32,082
  3209. The attractions aren't
  3210. gonna go away.
  3211.  
  3212. 694
  3213. 00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:33,958
  3214. They're gonna be there
  3215. my whole life,
  3216.  
  3217. 695
  3218. 00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:37,582
  3219. but I don't feel that I'm
  3220. losing anything in my life.
  3221.  
  3222. 696
  3223. 00:31:37,583 --> 00:31:39,791
  3224. To me, that's being authentic,
  3225.  
  3226. 697
  3227. 00:31:39,792 --> 00:31:43,916
  3228. is it's finding that
  3229. core happiness within you.
  3230.  
  3231. 698
  3232. 00:31:43,917 --> 00:31:46,708
  3233. And for me, it's important
  3234. that that core happiness
  3235.  
  3236. 699
  3237. 00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:49,833
  3238. is aligned with
  3239. my beliefs in the gospel.
  3240.  
  3241. 700
  3242. 00:31:49,834 --> 00:31:51,332
  3243. They were encouraging celibacy.
  3244.  
  3245. 701
  3246. 00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,082
  3247. I feel now, being around people
  3248.  
  3249. 702
  3250. 00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:56,249
  3251. that know that I'm gay,
  3252.  
  3253. 703
  3254. 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,124
  3255. I'm able to be myself.
  3256.  
  3257. 704
  3258. 00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:01,416
  3259. And I'm not having to
  3260.  
  3261. 705
  3262. 00:32:01,417 --> 00:32:04,207
  3263. make up excuses of
  3264. why I'm not dating
  3265.  
  3266. 706
  3267. 00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:07,416
  3268. or I'm not married
  3269. or I'm not falling in love.
  3270.  
  3271. 707
  3272. 00:32:07,417 --> 00:32:10,249
  3273. What's been so great
  3274. about this experience
  3275.  
  3276. 708
  3277. 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,082
  3278. is that I've been
  3279. able to understand
  3280.  
  3281. 709
  3282. 00:32:13,083 --> 00:32:14,874
  3283. what really makes me happy,
  3284.  
  3285. 710
  3286. 00:32:14,875 --> 00:32:18,207
  3287. and that is pleasing God.
  3288.  
  3289. 711
  3290. 00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:20,290
  3291. So, we decided to study, uh,
  3292.  
  3293. 712
  3294. 00:32:20,291 --> 00:32:24,332
  3295. what decisions led to healthy
  3296. outcomes for LGBT people,
  3297.  
  3298. 713
  3299. 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:26,749
  3300. and what decisions
  3301. led to unhealthy outcomes.
  3302.  
  3303. 714
  3304. 00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:30,708
  3305. I just wanted to understand
  3306. a couple things.
  3307.  
  3308. 715
  3309. 00:32:30,709 --> 00:32:33,791
  3310. Can you change being gay
  3311. or lesbian if you try?
  3312.  
  3313. 716
  3314. 00:32:33,792 --> 00:32:36,374
  3315. What happens if you
  3316. just try to be celibate?
  3317.  
  3318. 717
  3319. 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:39,874
  3320. What happens if you just
  3321. try and marry a woman?
  3322.  
  3323. 718
  3324. 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,416
  3325. Mixed orientation marriages
  3326. were a disaster.
  3327.  
  3328. 719
  3329. 00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:45,207
  3330. Celibacy was the worst
  3331. possible option
  3332.  
  3333. 720
  3334. 00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:47,416
  3335. that they could have chosen.
  3336.  
  3337. 721
  3338. 00:32:47,417 --> 00:32:48,416
  3339. Uh...
  3340.  
  3341. 722
  3342. 00:32:48,417 --> 00:32:49,874
  3343. Hundreds and hundreds
  3344. of the people
  3345.  
  3346. 723
  3347. 00:32:49,875 --> 00:32:51,874
  3348. mentioned suicide
  3349. in their narratives,
  3350.  
  3351. 724
  3352. 00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:54,791
  3353. of wanting to kill themselves
  3354. because of the struggle.
  3355.  
  3356. 725
  3357. 00:32:54,792 --> 00:32:56,874
  3358. Feeling like God
  3359. didn't love 'em,
  3360.  
  3361. 726
  3362. 00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,416
  3363. that God wouldn't heal them,
  3364.  
  3365. 727
  3366. 00:32:58,417 --> 00:33:01,708
  3367. and so they must have been
  3368. beyond God's love and power.
  3369.  
  3370. 728
  3371. 00:33:01,709 --> 00:33:05,374
  3372. The suicide rates,
  3373. uh, in Utah are alarming.
  3374.  
  3375. 729
  3376. 00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:07,374
  3377. We've seen the suicide rates
  3378.  
  3379. 730
  3380. 00:33:07,375 --> 00:33:09,958
  3381. of youth between the ages
  3382. of 15 and 19
  3383.  
  3384. 731
  3385. 00:33:09,959 --> 00:33:11,916
  3386. double in the past
  3387. two to three years,
  3388.  
  3389. 732
  3390. 00:33:11,917 --> 00:33:15,999
  3391. and triple over the past
  3392. eight or nine years since 2008.
  3393.  
  3394. 733
  3395. 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,958
  3396. Nowhere else in the entire
  3397. United States are we seeing
  3398.  
  3399. 734
  3400. 00:33:19,959 --> 00:33:23,499
  3401. youth suicide rates
  3402. double and triple
  3403.  
  3404. 735
  3405. 00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,833
  3406. over that same time period.
  3407.  
  3408. 736
  3409. 00:33:25,834 --> 00:33:27,749
  3410. And so, what's the cause?
  3411.  
  3412. 737
  3413. 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:30,082
  3414. What happened in 2007, 2008?
  3415.  
  3416. 738
  3417. 00:33:30,083 --> 00:33:33,249
  3418. It was when
  3419. the predominant religion
  3420.  
  3421. 739
  3422. 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:38,333
  3423. within the state of Utah
  3424. declares war on LGBT people.
  3425.  
  3426. 740
  3427. 00:33:39,625 --> 00:33:41,249
  3428. Today, I'd like to explain
  3429.  
  3430. 741
  3431. 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:44,125
  3432. how I became an LGBT ally
  3433. as a Mormon.
  3434.  
  3435. 742
  3436. 00:33:45,041 --> 00:33:48,999
  3437. I gave a TED Talk in, uh, 2013.
  3438.  
  3439. 743
  3440. 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,457
  3441. I want to begin
  3442. by making a point.
  3443.  
  3444. 744
  3445. 00:33:51,458 --> 00:33:55,374
  3446. That you can literally
  3447. save the lives
  3448.  
  3449. 745
  3450. 00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:57,999
  3451. of your LGBT
  3452. brothers and sisters,
  3453.  
  3454. 746
  3455. 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,582
  3456. sons and daughters,
  3457. through love.
  3458.  
  3459. 747
  3460. 00:34:00,583 --> 00:34:05,958
  3461. Well, I gave the TED Talk in,
  3462. like, October or November, 2013,
  3463.  
  3464. 748
  3465. 00:34:05,959 --> 00:34:08,582
  3466. and by January
  3467. or February of 2014,
  3468.  
  3469. 749
  3470. 00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:10,541
  3471. my bishop had called me in,
  3472.  
  3473. 750
  3474. 00:34:10,542 --> 00:34:12,124
  3475. and, uh, told me he was starting
  3476.  
  3477. 751
  3478. 00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:14,749
  3479. an investigation
  3480. into my membership.
  3481.  
  3482. 752
  3483. 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:16,541
  3484. And in February of 2015,
  3485.  
  3486. 753
  3487. 00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:18,249
  3488. I was excommunicated
  3489. from the church.
  3490.  
  3491. 754
  3492. 00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,874
  3493. Hmm.
  3494. There's no doubt in my mind
  3495.  
  3496. 755
  3497. 00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:23,749
  3498. that my public support
  3499. of LGBT people
  3500.  
  3501. 756
  3502. 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:25,792
  3503. was a major factor
  3504. in my excommunication.
  3505.  
  3506. 757
  3507. 00:34:27,291 --> 00:34:30,165
  3508. Excommunication is
  3509. about the worst thing
  3510.  
  3511. 758
  3512. 00:34:30,166 --> 00:34:31,916
  3513. that a Mormon could
  3514. ever experience.
  3515.  
  3516. 759
  3517. 00:34:31,917 --> 00:34:35,124
  3518. It basically means,
  3519. from a religious perspective,
  3520.  
  3521. 760
  3522. 00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:38,457
  3523. that you're cut off from your
  3524. family for all of eternity.
  3525.  
  3526. 761
  3527. 00:34:38,458 --> 00:34:39,874
  3528. That your family's gonna go
  3529.  
  3530. 762
  3531. 00:34:39,875 --> 00:34:41,624
  3532. to this really nice place
  3533. in heaven,
  3534.  
  3535. 763
  3536. 00:34:41,625 --> 00:34:44,958
  3537. and you're gonna be alone,
  3538. uh, in a dark, sad place,
  3539.  
  3540. 764
  3541. 00:34:44,959 --> 00:34:46,499
  3542. and that's what
  3543. excommunication means.
  3544.  
  3545. 765
  3546. 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,708
  3547. It means you can't
  3548. participate in church.
  3549.  
  3550. 766
  3551. 00:34:48,709 --> 00:34:52,332
  3552. It's basically condemning you to
  3553. the Mormon equivalent of hell.
  3554.  
  3555. 767
  3556. 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:54,624
  3557. And it was... But more than that,
  3558.  
  3559. 768
  3560. 00:34:54,625 --> 00:34:56,874
  3561. it's cutting you off
  3562. from your tribe.
  3563.  
  3564. 769
  3565. 00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:58,332
  3566. It's cutting you off
  3567. from your people,
  3568.  
  3569. 770
  3570. 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,833
  3571. from your friends,
  3572. from your family.
  3573.  
  3574. 771
  3575. 00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:02,916
  3576. Uh, I have family members
  3577. that won't speak to me.
  3578.  
  3579. 772
  3580. 00:35:02,917 --> 00:35:06,582
  3581. Um, and it's...
  3582. devastating.
  3583.  
  3584. 773
  3585. 00:35:06,583 --> 00:35:09,083
  3586. Oh, man. Uh...
  3587.  
  3588. 774
  3589. 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,999
  3590. My family is all Mormon,
  3591. and they're very active.
  3592.  
  3593. 775
  3594. 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,666
  3595. I have a... I have a real fear
  3596. of losing all that.
  3597.  
  3598. 776
  3599. 00:35:19,667 --> 00:35:22,999
  3600. Maybe you've heard
  3601. the quote, um,
  3602.  
  3603. 777
  3604. 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,207
  3605. "The only thing required
  3606. for evil to persist
  3607.  
  3608. 778
  3609. 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,833
  3610. is for good men to do nothing."
  3611.  
  3612. 779
  3613. 00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:31,666
  3614. You've probably heard that, right?
  3615. I have. Yeah.
  3616.  
  3617. 780
  3618. 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:32,874
  3619. I've always loved the church.
  3620.  
  3621. 781
  3622. 00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:35,666
  3623. I still do. I still
  3624. consider myself Mormon.
  3625.  
  3626. 782
  3627. 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:38,749
  3628. Um... and so... But I felt
  3629. the same way you did.
  3630.  
  3631. 783
  3632. 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:42,749
  3633. I didn't want to leave it.
  3634. I didn't want to be excommunicated.
  3635.  
  3636. 784
  3637. 00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:46,541
  3638. I do think the number
  3639. of overt bigots out there,
  3640.  
  3641. 785
  3642. 00:35:46,542 --> 00:35:49,165
  3643. as a percentage,
  3644. is really small,
  3645.  
  3646. 786
  3647. 00:35:49,166 --> 00:35:51,833
  3648. but the number of,
  3649. of Mormons, frankly,
  3650.  
  3651. 787
  3652. 00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:54,624
  3653. who just have decided
  3654. to remain silent
  3655.  
  3656. 788
  3657. 00:35:54,625 --> 00:35:56,332
  3658. is extremely large.
  3659.  
  3660. 789
  3661. 00:35:56,333 --> 00:35:59,457
  3662. And so,
  3663. I've been watching you guys.
  3664.  
  3665. 790
  3666. 00:35:59,458 --> 00:36:02,916
  3667. And in my heart, I'm just like,
  3668. things are gonna change
  3669.  
  3670. 791
  3671. 00:36:02,917 --> 00:36:05,290
  3672. when these guys are
  3673. willing to speak up.
  3674.  
  3675. 792
  3676. 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,708
  3677. ♪ Here's to my future ♪
  3678.  
  3679. 793
  3680. 00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:13,999
  3681. ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪
  3682.  
  3683. 794
  3684. 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,207
  3685. ♪ Here's to change, oh ♪
  3686.  
  3687. 795
  3688. 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:18,791
  3689. ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪
  3690.  
  3691. 796
  3692. 00:36:18,792 --> 00:36:23,207
  3693. ♪ No tomorrow
  3694. without a yesterday ♪
  3695.  
  3696. 797
  3697. 00:36:23,208 --> 00:36:24,833
  3698. ♪ Here's to my future ♪
  3699.  
  3700. 798
  3701. 00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:27,249
  3702. This house
  3703. was built 125 years ago
  3704.  
  3705. 799
  3706. 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,416
  3707. by a polygamist named
  3708. William D. Alexander.
  3709.  
  3710. 800
  3711. 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:31,290
  3712. Yeah, you actually, you have
  3713. the view of the temple...
  3714.  
  3715. 801
  3716. 00:36:31,291 --> 00:36:32,833
  3717. So, check out that.
  3718. Wow, yeah.
  3719.  
  3720. 802
  3721. 00:36:32,834 --> 00:36:35,666
  3722. Little did he know
  3723. that someday his rainbow window
  3724.  
  3725. 803
  3726. 00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,916
  3727. would perfectly
  3728. encase that Moroni.
  3729.  
  3730. 804
  3731. 00:36:37,917 --> 00:36:40,791
  3732. The Captain Moroni on the top
  3733. of the Mormon Temple. Yeah.
  3734.  
  3735. 805
  3736. 00:36:41,959 --> 00:36:43,165
  3737. So, the kids can kind of, just,
  3738.  
  3739. 806
  3740. 00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:44,582
  3741. come in here after school's out.
  3742.  
  3743. 807
  3744. 00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:48,290
  3745. Just come hang out, find a place
  3746. of just refuge and kind of...
  3747.  
  3748. 808
  3749. 00:36:48,291 --> 00:36:49,499
  3750. Yeah. The whole idea is
  3751.  
  3752. 809
  3753. 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,582
  3754. they just walk in like
  3755. it's their own home.
  3756.  
  3757. 810
  3758. 00:36:51,583 --> 00:36:54,249
  3759. Um, I did have
  3760. an area authority ask me,
  3761.  
  3762. 811
  3763. 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:55,457
  3764. when these kids come here,
  3765.  
  3766. 812
  3767. 00:36:55,458 --> 00:36:58,040
  3768. and you're going to
  3769. make them more gay,
  3770.  
  3771. 813
  3772. 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:00,541
  3773. and their families aren't...
  3774.  
  3775. 814
  3776. 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:01,999
  3777. And I was like, no, no, no, no.
  3778.  
  3779. 815
  3780. 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,708
  3781. We are just here
  3782. to love and support them,
  3783.  
  3784. 816
  3785. 00:37:04,709 --> 00:37:06,499
  3786. and give them
  3787. a safe place to be.
  3788.  
  3789. 817
  3790. 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,416
  3791. ♪ Here's to my yesterday ♪
  3792.  
  3793. 818
  3794. 00:37:09,417 --> 00:37:13,708
  3795. So, maybe tell me about
  3796. how you got involved here.
  3797.  
  3798. 819
  3799. 00:37:13,709 --> 00:37:17,332
  3800. My mom is... working here?
  3801. Is that what it is?
  3802.  
  3803. 820
  3804. 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:20,791
  3805. I am volunteering here. Yeah.
  3806. Volunteering.
  3807.  
  3808. 821
  3809. 00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:23,165
  3810. When you came out,
  3811.  
  3812. 822
  3813. 00:37:23,166 --> 00:37:26,791
  3814. how was that received with
  3815. your friends, with the church?
  3816.  
  3817. 823
  3818. 00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:29,249
  3819. Um, it was only this Sunday
  3820.  
  3821. 824
  3822. 00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:31,666
  3823. that I came out to the church.
  3824. Okay.
  3825.  
  3826. 825
  3827. 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,833
  3828. Hi, my name is Savannah,
  3829.  
  3830. 826
  3831. 00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:37,457
  3832. and I want to share
  3833. my testimony with you.
  3834.  
  3835. 827
  3836. 00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:40,582
  3837. I believe I'm a child with
  3838. heavenly parents. I don't...
  3839.  
  3840. 828
  3841. 00:37:40,583 --> 00:37:43,708
  3842. I went up during
  3843. testimony meeting,
  3844.  
  3845. 829
  3846. 00:37:43,709 --> 00:37:47,165
  3847. and I bore my testimony on how
  3848.  
  3849. 830
  3850. 00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:50,082
  3851. everyone is made
  3852. the certain way that they are,
  3853.  
  3854. 831
  3855. 00:37:50,083 --> 00:37:52,541
  3856. and how I was made to be gay.
  3857.  
  3858. 832
  3859. 00:37:52,542 --> 00:37:55,124
  3860. I believe I was made
  3861. the way I am...
  3862.  
  3863. 833
  3864. 00:37:55,125 --> 00:37:56,874
  3865. I felt nervous, actually,
  3866.  
  3867. 834
  3868. 00:37:56,875 --> 00:38:00,249
  3869. 'cause I didn't know
  3870. what people would react.
  3871.  
  3872. 835
  3873. 00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:03,290
  3874. They did not mess up
  3875. when they gave me freckles
  3876.  
  3877. 836
  3878. 00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:05,833
  3879. or when they made me to be gay.
  3880.  
  3881. 837
  3882. 00:38:05,834 --> 00:38:07,332
  3883. God loves me just this way
  3884.  
  3885. 838
  3886. 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:10,165
  3887. because I believe that
  3888. he loves all his creations.
  3889.  
  3890. 839
  3891. 00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:12,708
  3892. I hope to get married
  3893. and have a family.
  3894.  
  3895. 840
  3896. 00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:15,457
  3897. I know these dreams and wishes
  3898. are good and right.
  3899.  
  3900. 841
  3901. 00:38:15,458 --> 00:38:17,249
  3902. I know I can have
  3903. all of these things
  3904.  
  3905. 842
  3906. 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:19,791
  3907. as a, as a lesbian
  3908. and be happy...
  3909.  
  3910. 843
  3911. 00:38:19,792 --> 00:38:23,582
  3912. I didn't get to finish all
  3913. the way through my testimony.
  3914.  
  3915. 844
  3916. 00:38:23,583 --> 00:38:25,582
  3917. I think it was, like,
  3918. a paragraph later after
  3919.  
  3920. 845
  3921. 00:38:25,583 --> 00:38:28,165
  3922. I said the word "lesbian,"
  3923.  
  3924. 846
  3925. 00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:29,791
  3926. they cut me off.
  3927.  
  3928. 847
  3929. 00:38:29,792 --> 00:38:31,082
  3930. I want to love myself
  3931.  
  3932. 848
  3933. 00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:33,708
  3934. and not feel ashamed
  3935. for being me.
  3936.  
  3937. 849
  3938. 00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,125
  3939. I ask you to...
  3940.  
  3941. 850
  3942. 00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:42,416
  3943. It was a member of the
  3944. stake presidency that was there.
  3945.  
  3946. 851
  3947. 00:38:42,417 --> 00:38:43,749
  3948. He leaned over to a counselor...
  3949.  
  3950. 852
  3951. 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:44,916
  3952. Leaned over and have him
  3953.  
  3954. 853
  3955. 00:38:44,917 --> 00:38:46,750
  3956. turn off the mic
  3957. and asked her to go sit.
  3958.  
  3959. 854
  3960. 00:38:48,291 --> 00:38:52,499
  3961. It was a little depressing
  3962. and sad when it happened,
  3963.  
  3964. 855
  3965. 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,833
  3966. but I feel more happy now
  3967. that it has happened,
  3968.  
  3969. 856
  3970. 00:38:57,834 --> 00:39:00,207
  3971. 'cause now I got
  3972. to share my feelings.
  3973.  
  3974. 857
  3975. 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,749
  3976. You know, if my answer
  3977. of what resonates here
  3978.  
  3979. 858
  3980. 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:10,624
  3981. doesn't line up with what
  3982. the prophet, etcetera, says,
  3983.  
  3984. 859
  3985. 00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:14,666
  3986. you know, it's like, hard
  3987. for my family to see that.
  3988.  
  3989. 860
  3990. 00:39:14,667 --> 00:39:18,582
  3991. All I can do is accept them
  3992. and love them where they're at,
  3993.  
  3994. 861
  3995. 00:39:18,583 --> 00:39:21,582
  3996. and, like, hope
  3997. that they can offer...
  3998.  
  3999. 862
  4000. 00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,582
  4001. um,
  4002.  
  4003. 863
  4004. 00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:27,416
  4005. the same thing back to me.
  4006.  
  4007. 864
  4008. 00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,040
  4009. Something that happened recently with
  4010. my brother who was on his mission.
  4011.  
  4012. 865
  4013. 00:39:32,041 --> 00:39:34,916
  4014. He was, like, one of the first
  4015. people that I came out to.
  4016.  
  4017. 866
  4018. 00:39:34,917 --> 00:39:39,582
  4019. Um... about the time, I told him,
  4020. and when I came out, he was like,
  4021.  
  4022. 867
  4023. 00:39:39,583 --> 00:39:42,082
  4024. "No, it's just the devil,"
  4025. and he slapped me really hard.
  4026.  
  4027. 868
  4028. 00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:44,290
  4029. So when you told him,
  4030.  
  4031. 869
  4032. 00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,958
  4033. he said, "It's the devil,"
  4034. and he slapped you? Yeah.
  4035.  
  4036. 870
  4037. 00:39:46,959 --> 00:39:49,749
  4038. Because you were,
  4039. like, following the devil?
  4040.  
  4041. 871
  4042. 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:51,542
  4043. Yes.
  4044. In the callings? Wow.
  4045.  
  4046. 872
  4047. 00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:54,874
  4048. All of you, in my opinion,
  4049.  
  4050. 873
  4051. 00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:57,207
  4052. even being here right now,
  4053.  
  4054. 874
  4055. 00:39:57,208 --> 00:39:58,624
  4056. um...
  4057.  
  4058. 875
  4059. 00:39:58,625 --> 00:40:01,791
  4060. are far braver than
  4061. I could've ever understood
  4062.  
  4063. 876
  4064. 00:40:01,792 --> 00:40:03,541
  4065. 'cause I'm just, like,
  4066. dealing with, like,
  4067.  
  4068. 877
  4069. 00:40:03,542 --> 00:40:06,290
  4070. oh, religion and these things,
  4071. you know, but...
  4072.  
  4073. 878
  4074. 00:40:06,291 --> 00:40:09,290
  4075. but you guys are, are so brave.
  4076.  
  4077. 879
  4078. 00:40:09,291 --> 00:40:11,791
  4079. Thank you. Thank you
  4080. for letting me sit in
  4081.  
  4082. 880
  4083. 00:40:11,792 --> 00:40:13,916
  4084. and be part of what
  4085. could be so uncomfortable,
  4086.  
  4087. 881
  4088. 00:40:13,917 --> 00:40:17,124
  4089. and I can be the most awkward
  4090. person ever.
  4091.  
  4092. 882
  4093. 00:40:17,125 --> 00:40:19,791
  4094. And you guys have made me feel
  4095. totally comfortable here, too.
  4096.  
  4097. 883
  4098. 00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:21,207
  4099. And, um, so, thank you.
  4100.  
  4101. 884
  4102. 00:40:21,208 --> 00:40:23,374
  4103. I love you all,
  4104. and love is love,
  4105.  
  4106. 885
  4107. 00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,332
  4108. and, uh, yeah. Thanks.
  4109.  
  4110. 886
  4111. 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:27,457
  4112. Thanks, Dan!
  4113.  
  4114. 887
  4115. 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,749
  4116. And here are our
  4117. crisis counselors here
  4118.  
  4119. 888
  4120. 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:44,624
  4121. are ready to take phone calls.
  4122.  
  4123. 889
  4124. 00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,999
  4125. Our research here at The
  4126. Trevor Project has found that
  4127.  
  4128. 890
  4129. 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,082
  4130. if an LGBT young person
  4131. has one supportive adult,
  4132.  
  4133. 891
  4134. 00:40:51,083 --> 00:40:54,457
  4135. the risk of suicide
  4136. is lessened by 30 percent.
  4137.  
  4138. 892
  4139. 00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:55,999
  4140. Wow.
  4141. It's incredible.
  4142.  
  4143. 893
  4144. 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,999
  4145. The Mormons are way over here
  4146.  
  4147. 894
  4148. 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,332
  4149. and the LGBTQ community
  4150. is way over here.
  4151.  
  4152. 895
  4153. 00:40:59,333 --> 00:41:00,791
  4154. So it's like, to me, I was like,
  4155.  
  4156. 896
  4157. 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,416
  4158. well, what's a safe way we can
  4159. bring everybody together,
  4160.  
  4161. 897
  4162. 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,833
  4163. but also a place to be
  4164. a little more educated?
  4165.  
  4166. 898
  4167. 00:41:05,834 --> 00:41:07,582
  4168. And for some Mormons,
  4169.  
  4170. 899
  4171. 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,874
  4172. guarantee this will be
  4173. the first time they'll sit down
  4174.  
  4175. 900
  4176. 00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:14,916
  4177. and listen to someone who is LGBTQ talk
  4178. for more than, like, five minutes.
  4179.  
  4180. 901
  4181. 00:41:14,917 --> 00:41:18,207
  4182. I have these Mormon moms
  4183. come in from their temple shift,
  4184.  
  4185. 902
  4186. 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:19,874
  4187. and they're very defensive,
  4188.  
  4189. 903
  4190. 00:41:19,875 --> 00:41:22,082
  4191. until they fall in love
  4192. with a gay person.
  4193.  
  4194. 904
  4195. 00:41:22,083 --> 00:41:24,666
  4196. They could fall in love with
  4197. Tyler for just five minutes. Yep.
  4198.  
  4199. 905
  4200. 00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:26,082
  4201. Then, it's game over.
  4202.  
  4203. 906
  4204. 00:41:30,333 --> 00:41:32,582
  4205. So, Dragons, Trees...
  4206.  
  4207. 907
  4208. 00:41:32,583 --> 00:41:35,666
  4209. Dragons, Trees,
  4210. interspersed with speakers.
  4211.  
  4212. 908
  4213. 00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:37,999
  4214. I mean, that alone
  4215. is gonna be like...
  4216.  
  4217. 909
  4218. 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,290
  4219. Rad.
  4220. ...20,000 people.
  4221.  
  4222. 910
  4223. 00:41:39,291 --> 00:41:40,499
  4224. Have you thought about where?
  4225.  
  4226. 911
  4227. 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,999
  4228. I think Pioneer Park.
  4229.  
  4230. 912
  4231. 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,374
  4232. Isn't it right
  4233. next to the temple,
  4234.  
  4235. 913
  4236. 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:44,708
  4237. someone was telling me
  4238. or something?
  4239.  
  4240. 914
  4241. 00:41:44,709 --> 00:41:47,165
  4242. Um, it's like
  4243. three blocks from it.
  4244.  
  4245. 915
  4246. 00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:49,582
  4247. Three blocks from the temple?
  4248. Ah. Mm-hmm.
  4249.  
  4250. 916
  4251. 00:41:49,583 --> 00:41:52,165
  4252. Yeah, so they
  4253. hold huge events here.
  4254.  
  4255. 917
  4256. 00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:54,916
  4257. And do they have, like,
  4258. food trucks or anything like that?
  4259.  
  4260. 918
  4261. 00:41:54,917 --> 00:41:57,249
  4262. Yeah, so there's,
  4263. like, event vendors...
  4264.  
  4265. 919
  4266. 00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:59,249
  4267. What do you think the name
  4268. of the festival should be?
  4269.  
  4270. 920
  4271. 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,958
  4272. It needs to be something
  4273. that the Mormons are like,
  4274.  
  4275. 921
  4276. 00:42:00,959 --> 00:42:02,457
  4277. oh, this sounds rad
  4278. and I want to come to it,
  4279.  
  4280. 922
  4281. 00:42:02,458 --> 00:42:04,958
  4282. but it should sound progressive
  4283. and cool, and not boring.
  4284.  
  4285. 923
  4286. 00:42:04,959 --> 00:42:05,958
  4287. LoveLoud.
  4288. LoveLoud.
  4289.  
  4290. 924
  4291. 00:42:05,959 --> 00:42:07,499
  4292. LoveLoud Festival.
  4293. Or LoveLouder.
  4294.  
  4295. 925
  4296. 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,624
  4297. LoveLoud Festival.
  4298.  
  4299. 926
  4300. 00:42:08,625 --> 00:42:09,582
  4301. LoveLoud Festival.
  4302.  
  4303. 927
  4304. 00:42:09,583 --> 00:42:10,833
  4305. That's kinda cool.
  4306. It is.
  4307.  
  4308. 928
  4309. 00:42:10,834 --> 00:42:11,958
  4310. LoveLoud Festival.
  4311.  
  4312. 929
  4313. 00:42:11,959 --> 00:42:13,624
  4314. "Are you going to LoveLoud?"
  4315. That's kinda cool.
  4316.  
  4317. 930
  4318. 00:42:13,625 --> 00:42:14,874
  4319. No, I'm going to LoveLouder.
  4320.  
  4321. 931
  4322. 00:42:14,875 --> 00:42:16,582
  4323. No, I'm going to LoveLouder.
  4324.  
  4325. 932
  4326. 00:42:16,583 --> 00:42:20,165
  4327. ♪ As I have loved you ♪
  4328.  
  4329. 933
  4330. 00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:23,833
  4331. ♪ Love one another ♪
  4332.  
  4333. 934
  4334. 00:42:23,834 --> 00:42:27,499
  4335. ♪ This new commandment ♪
  4336.  
  4337. 935
  4338. 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:31,290
  4339. ♪ Love one another ♪
  4340.  
  4341. 936
  4342. 00:42:31,291 --> 00:42:35,708
  4343. ♪ By this shall man know ♪
  4344.  
  4345. 937
  4346. 00:42:35,709 --> 00:42:40,040
  4347. ♪ Ye are my disciples ♪
  4348.  
  4349. 938
  4350. 00:42:40,041 --> 00:42:43,290
  4351. ♪ If ye have loved ♪
  4352.  
  4353. 939
  4354. 00:42:43,291 --> 00:42:46,749
  4355. ♪ One to another ♪
  4356.  
  4357. 940
  4358. 00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:48,457
  4359. It's actually pretty.
  4360. Yeah, it is.
  4361.  
  4362. 941
  4363. 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:51,541
  4364. It's a really, it's a...
  4365. it's a Mormon...
  4366.  
  4367. 942
  4368. 00:42:51,542 --> 00:42:53,124
  4369. When you're a young Mormon,
  4370.  
  4371. 943
  4372. 00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:55,833
  4373. you're in a group
  4374. called Primary,
  4375.  
  4376. 944
  4377. 00:42:55,834 --> 00:42:57,874
  4378. and it's, like,
  4379. all the young kids, like,
  4380.  
  4381. 945
  4382. 00:42:57,875 --> 00:42:59,082
  4383. get together, and they all have
  4384.  
  4385. 946
  4386. 00:42:59,083 --> 00:43:02,124
  4387. this rambunctious class
  4388. where they learn about God.
  4389.  
  4390. 947
  4391. 00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:04,165
  4392. And you learn, like,
  4393. these songs together.
  4394.  
  4395. 948
  4396. 00:43:04,166 --> 00:43:05,541
  4397. Primary songs, yeah.
  4398. Primary songs.
  4399.  
  4400. 949
  4401. 00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:07,332
  4402. Like children's hymns, basically.
  4403. Yeah.
  4404.  
  4405. 950
  4406. 00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:10,290
  4407. And one of them, first ones you
  4408. learn is "Love One Another."
  4409.  
  4410. 951
  4411. 00:43:10,291 --> 00:43:12,374
  4412. Which is a really rad...
  4413. It's actually beautiful.
  4414.  
  4415. 952
  4416. 00:43:12,375 --> 00:43:13,457
  4417. Yeah. It's a beautiful song,
  4418.  
  4419. 953
  4420. 00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:15,249
  4421. and the whole point
  4422. of it is about
  4423.  
  4424. 954
  4425. 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,374
  4426. just love one another, and so...
  4427.  
  4428. 955
  4429. 00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:21,457
  4430. It's interesting
  4431. that that gets lost in...
  4432.  
  4433. 956
  4434. 00:43:21,458 --> 00:43:24,541
  4435. you know, when it's really
  4436. just such a simple idea...
  4437.  
  4438. 957
  4439. 00:43:24,542 --> 00:43:28,165
  4440. Totally... that we're taught
  4441. super young in the church.
  4442.  
  4443. 958
  4444. 00:43:32,917 --> 00:43:34,499
  4445. A lot of Mormons are really
  4446.  
  4447. 959
  4448. 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,833
  4449. good-hearted, loving,
  4450. kind, charitable people,
  4451.  
  4452. 960
  4453. 00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:40,833
  4454. who want what's right,
  4455. and they want to be kind
  4456.  
  4457. 961
  4458. 00:43:40,834 --> 00:43:43,624
  4459. and loving and tolerant,
  4460. but they have leaders
  4461.  
  4462. 962
  4463. 00:43:43,625 --> 00:43:45,999
  4464. that are telling them what
  4465. to think and how to behave.
  4466.  
  4467. 963
  4468. 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,249
  4469. If children have
  4470. a happy family experience,
  4471.  
  4472. 964
  4473. 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:51,207
  4474. they will not want
  4475. to be homosexuals,
  4476.  
  4477. 965
  4478. 00:43:51,208 --> 00:43:53,374
  4479. which I am sure is
  4480. an acquired addiction,
  4481.  
  4482. 966
  4483. 00:43:53,375 --> 00:43:56,040
  4484. just as drugs, alcohol,
  4485. and pornography are.
  4486.  
  4487. 967
  4488. 00:43:56,041 --> 00:44:00,874
  4489. Adultery, fornication,
  4490. committing homosexual acts,
  4491.  
  4492. 968
  4493. 00:44:00,875 --> 00:44:04,040
  4494. and other deviations
  4495. approaching these in gravity,
  4496.  
  4497. 969
  4498. 00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:07,624
  4499. are not acceptable
  4500. alternate lifestyles.
  4501.  
  4502. 970
  4503. 00:44:07,625 --> 00:44:10,290
  4504. They are serious sins.
  4505.  
  4506. 971
  4507. 00:44:10,291 --> 00:44:15,332
  4508. We regard same-sex marriage as
  4509. a particularly grievous or, uh,
  4510.  
  4511. 972
  4512. 00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:20,874
  4513. significant, serious kind of sin
  4514. that requires church discipline.
  4515.  
  4516. 973
  4517. 00:44:20,875 --> 00:44:24,332
  4518. Mormon leaders
  4519. claim to talk to God,
  4520.  
  4521. 974
  4522. 00:44:24,333 --> 00:44:28,374
  4523. so when the church make statements
  4524. in the '80s and '90s and 2000s
  4525.  
  4526. 975
  4527. 00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:32,666
  4528. that to be gay is evil,
  4529. that to be in a same-sex,
  4530.  
  4531. 976
  4532. 00:44:32,667 --> 00:44:35,416
  4533. uh, marriage or committed
  4534. relationship is evil,
  4535.  
  4536. 977
  4537. 00:44:35,417 --> 00:44:38,082
  4538. they're not just saying
  4539. that as their own opinion.
  4540.  
  4541. 978
  4542. 00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:40,040
  4543. They're basically saying
  4544. that God speaks
  4545.  
  4546. 979
  4547. 00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:43,250
  4548. to the leader of our church
  4549. and takes that position.
  4550.  
  4551. 980
  4552. 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:46,874
  4553. As the church has
  4554. seen in the past,
  4555.  
  4556. 981
  4557. 00:44:46,875 --> 00:44:48,791
  4558. when the church
  4559. takes a position,
  4560.  
  4561. 982
  4562. 00:44:48,792 --> 00:44:51,374
  4563. and then the rest
  4564. of the nation changes,
  4565.  
  4566. 983
  4567. 00:44:51,375 --> 00:44:54,582
  4568. so in the late 1800s,
  4569. the church was a polygamous church,
  4570.  
  4571. 984
  4572. 00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:56,999
  4573. and the rest of the nation
  4574. wasn't cool with that,
  4575.  
  4576. 985
  4577. 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,082
  4578. uh, the church was
  4579. almost destroyed,
  4580.  
  4581. 986
  4582. 00:44:59,083 --> 00:45:00,374
  4583. and so, the church
  4584. had to change.
  4585.  
  4586. 987
  4587. 00:45:00,375 --> 00:45:03,666
  4588. Fast-forward to the 1960s,
  4589. the whole United States
  4590.  
  4591. 988
  4592. 00:45:03,667 --> 00:45:08,082
  4593. is starting to support
  4594. African-Americans and civil rights.
  4595.  
  4596. 989
  4597. 00:45:08,083 --> 00:45:12,374
  4598. And the IDS church is opposing,
  4599. um, the civil rights movement
  4600.  
  4601. 990
  4602. 00:45:12,375 --> 00:45:15,332
  4603. and that almost
  4604. destroyed the church.
  4605.  
  4606. 991
  4607. 00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,749
  4608. And so in 1978,
  4609. the church changes again.
  4610.  
  4611. 992
  4612. 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:22,332
  4613. He has heard our prayers,
  4614. and by revelation has confirmed
  4615.  
  4616. 993
  4617. 00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:23,666
  4618. that the long promised day
  4619.  
  4620. 994
  4621. 00:45:23,667 --> 00:45:26,874
  4622. has come, when every
  4623. faithful, worthy man
  4624.  
  4625. 995
  4626. 00:45:26,875 --> 00:45:28,999
  4627. in the church may receive
  4628. the holy priesthood.
  4629.  
  4630. 996
  4631. 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,624
  4632. So, just like the church
  4633. eventually got rid of polygamy,
  4634.  
  4635. 997
  4636. 00:45:31,625 --> 00:45:34,791
  4637. the church eventually accepted
  4638. blacks into full fellowship.
  4639.  
  4640. 998
  4641. 00:45:34,792 --> 00:45:37,290
  4642. Accordingly, all worthy
  4643. male members of the church
  4644.  
  4645. 999
  4646. 00:45:37,291 --> 00:45:39,708
  4647. may be ordained to the chur...
  4648. To the priesthood
  4649.  
  4650. 1000
  4651. 00:45:39,709 --> 00:45:43,290
  4652. without regard
  4653. for race or color.
  4654.  
  4655. 1001
  4656. 00:45:43,291 --> 00:45:44,999
  4657. The church
  4658. changed, and said, okay,
  4659.  
  4660. 1002
  4661. 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,999
  4662. now is the time, God has spoken,
  4663.  
  4664. 1003
  4665. 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,666
  4666. now you can have the priesthood.
  4667.  
  4668. 1004
  4669. 00:45:48,667 --> 00:45:51,582
  4670. The thing is you're not
  4671. going to change God's will,
  4672.  
  4673. 1005
  4674. 00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:52,875
  4675. is basically what my mom said.
  4676.  
  4677. 1006
  4678. 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,165
  4679. My mom said to me,
  4680. when I told her
  4681.  
  4682. 1007
  4683. 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:55,457
  4684. I was doing this,
  4685. she was like, well,
  4686.  
  4687. 1008
  4688. 00:45:55,458 --> 00:45:57,666
  4689. just because you're
  4690. a rock star dude,
  4691.  
  4692. 1009
  4693. 00:45:57,667 --> 00:45:59,124
  4694. you can't change God's will.
  4695.  
  4696. 1010
  4697. 00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:00,541
  4698. While we are to value
  4699.  
  4700. 1011
  4701. 00:46:00,542 --> 00:46:03,958
  4702. the rights and feelings
  4703. of all of God's children,
  4704.  
  4705. 1012
  4706. 00:46:03,959 --> 00:46:08,666
  4707. we cannot change his doctrine.
  4708. It is not ours to change.
  4709.  
  4710. 1013
  4711. 00:46:08,667 --> 00:46:12,499
  4712. False prophets and false
  4713. teachers are those who
  4714.  
  4715. 1014
  4716. 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,249
  4717. attempt to change the God-given,
  4718.  
  4719. 1015
  4720. 00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,290
  4721. and scripturally based doctrines
  4722.  
  4723. 1016
  4724. 00:46:17,291 --> 00:46:19,541
  4725. that protect
  4726. the sanctity of marriage.
  4727.  
  4728. 1017
  4729. 00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:20,749
  4730. Just because you go and pound
  4731.  
  4732. 1018
  4733. 00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:22,416
  4734. on the brethren's door,
  4735. and you're, like,
  4736.  
  4737. 1019
  4738. 00:46:22,417 --> 00:46:24,541
  4739. Thomas S. Monson, come on,
  4740. change this, man.
  4741.  
  4742. 1020
  4743. 00:46:24,542 --> 00:46:25,999
  4744. Come on, change it!
  4745.  
  4746. 1021
  4747. 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,124
  4748. He's not gonna change it
  4749. for you, 'cause God's...
  4750.  
  4751. 1022
  4752. 00:46:28,125 --> 00:46:29,541
  4753. He's only doing what
  4754. God tells him to do,
  4755.  
  4756. 1023
  4757. 00:46:29,542 --> 00:46:31,416
  4758. and God's not gonna
  4759. change it for you.
  4760.  
  4761. 1024
  4762. 00:46:31,417 --> 00:46:34,124
  4763. But if all the members of a church
  4764. are talking about something,
  4765.  
  4766. 1025
  4767. 00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:36,874
  4768. then the prophet's gonna
  4769. pray about it more, right?
  4770.  
  4771. 1026
  4772. 00:46:36,875 --> 00:46:40,416
  4773. I think that maybe I'm one part
  4774. of this puzzle that's, like,
  4775.  
  4776. 1027
  4777. 00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:42,708
  4778. you know, coming together,
  4779. and hopefully the apostles
  4780.  
  4781. 1028
  4782. 00:46:42,709 --> 00:46:44,207
  4783. and the prophet
  4784. go pray about it,
  4785.  
  4786. 1029
  4787. 00:46:44,208 --> 00:46:49,499
  4788. and God comes down
  4789. and tells them what's up.
  4790.  
  4791. 1030
  4792. 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,958
  4793. So, um, you know,
  4794. there's a glimmer of hope,
  4795.  
  4796. 1031
  4797. 00:46:52,959 --> 00:46:55,624
  4798. and in the long-term,
  4799. I think there's a lot of hope.
  4800.  
  4801. 1032
  4802. 00:46:55,625 --> 00:46:57,499
  4803. The question is, um,
  4804.  
  4805. 1033
  4806. 00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:58,708
  4807. how long will it take
  4808. to get there,
  4809.  
  4810. 1034
  4811. 00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:01,249
  4812. and how many people
  4813. will be hurt along the way?
  4814.  
  4815. 1035
  4816. 00:47:06,041 --> 00:47:08,040
  4817. So we have three kids,
  4818.  
  4819. 1036
  4820. 00:47:08,041 --> 00:47:11,708
  4821. and, um, Stockton is
  4822. the youngest of the three.
  4823.  
  4824. 1037
  4825. 00:47:11,709 --> 00:47:14,874
  4826. And, really, our story
  4827. kind of begins
  4828.  
  4829. 1038
  4830. 00:47:14,875 --> 00:47:17,874
  4831. with him at age 12,
  4832.  
  4833. 1039
  4834. 00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:19,916
  4835. us finding a letter
  4836.  
  4837. 1040
  4838. 00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:24,332
  4839. with him saying that
  4840. he thought he was gay.
  4841.  
  4842. 1041
  4843. 00:47:24,333 --> 00:47:25,624
  4844. At earlier times in his life,
  4845.  
  4846. 1042
  4847. 00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:28,916
  4848. had either of you said,
  4849. well, maybe he's gay?
  4850.  
  4851. 1043
  4852. 00:47:28,917 --> 00:47:30,708
  4853. Or do you think he's gay?
  4854. Does he seem...?
  4855.  
  4856. 1044
  4857. 00:47:30,709 --> 00:47:32,999
  4858. No, we, um... yeah.
  4859.  
  4860. 1045
  4861. 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,499
  4862. Our, uh, our gaydar
  4863. was pretty weak.
  4864.  
  4865. 1046
  4866. 00:47:36,667 --> 00:47:38,500
  4867. How did you think
  4868. that they would react?
  4869.  
  4870. 1047
  4871. 00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:41,457
  4872. Um...
  4873.  
  4874. 1048
  4875. 00:47:41,458 --> 00:47:43,833
  4876. I thought they'd react
  4877. kind of badly
  4878.  
  4879. 1049
  4880. 00:47:43,834 --> 00:47:46,332
  4881. 'cause, I mean, they're Mormon.
  4882.  
  4883. 1050
  4884. 00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:49,582
  4885. Not all Mormons
  4886. react kindly to that.
  4887.  
  4888. 1051
  4889. 00:47:49,583 --> 00:47:51,416
  4890. Um...
  4891. I don't know.
  4892.  
  4893. 1052
  4894. 00:47:51,417 --> 00:47:54,332
  4895. I didn't really think they were
  4896. gonna kick me out of the house.
  4897.  
  4898. 1053
  4899. 00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:57,166
  4900. I didn't think they were gonna
  4901. be, "Oh yeah, you're gay. Cool."
  4902.  
  4903. 1054
  4904. 00:47:58,458 --> 00:48:01,125
  4905. I'll just kind of...
  4906. hide it.
  4907.  
  4908. 1055
  4909. 00:48:02,917 --> 00:48:04,290
  4910. Yeah.
  4911.  
  4912. 1056
  4913. 00:48:04,291 --> 00:48:06,833
  4914. You know, when we said, well,
  4915. let's just kinda ride this out,
  4916.  
  4917. 1057
  4918. 00:48:06,834 --> 00:48:09,040
  4919. that wasn't his MO.
  4920. His MO was,
  4921.  
  4922. 1058
  4923. 00:48:09,041 --> 00:48:11,916
  4924. Yeah, I think I'm gonna announce
  4925. it at school tomorrow-type thing.
  4926.  
  4927. 1059
  4928. 00:48:11,917 --> 00:48:12,999
  4929. So...
  4930. Yeah.
  4931.  
  4932. 1060
  4933. 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,290
  4934. He had his own bullhorn.
  4935. Yeah. He...
  4936.  
  4937. 1061
  4938. 00:48:15,291 --> 00:48:18,457
  4939. You know, he
  4940. was pretty proud and out.
  4941.  
  4942. 1062
  4943. 00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:20,082
  4944. I remember, um, I gave him...
  4945.  
  4946. 1063
  4947. 00:48:20,083 --> 00:48:23,582
  4948. this, a pink, neon pink T-shirt
  4949.  
  4950. 1064
  4951. 00:48:23,583 --> 00:48:25,124
  4952. that said, "Queer New World."
  4953.  
  4954. 1065
  4955. 00:48:25,125 --> 00:48:28,374
  4956. And he was so excited
  4957. by this neon pink shirt
  4958.  
  4959. 1066
  4960. 00:48:28,375 --> 00:48:31,874
  4961. because it was gonna scandalize
  4962. everyone in his school.
  4963.  
  4964. 1067
  4965. 00:48:31,875 --> 00:48:33,040
  4966. You know, he just thought,
  4967.  
  4968. 1068
  4969. 00:48:33,041 --> 00:48:34,959
  4970. Well, this is me.
  4971. What's the problem?
  4972.  
  4973. 1069
  4974. 00:48:35,917 --> 00:48:37,624
  4975. And, unfortunately,
  4976.  
  4977. 1070
  4978. 00:48:37,625 --> 00:48:39,541
  4979. not everybody
  4980. was ready for that.
  4981.  
  4982. 1071
  4983. 00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:43,207
  4984. When I was kind of internally
  4985. realizing that I was gay,
  4986.  
  4987. 1072
  4988. 00:48:43,208 --> 00:48:44,624
  4989. I got handed a pamphlet.
  4990.  
  4991. 1073
  4992. 00:48:44,625 --> 00:48:46,791
  4993. "For the Strength of Youth,"
  4994.  
  4995. 1074
  4996. 00:48:46,792 --> 00:48:49,708
  4997. and it said, homosexuality
  4998. is a serious sin,
  4999.  
  5000. 1075
  5001. 00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:53,082
  5002. and I got very angry
  5003. about that and...
  5004.  
  5005. 1076
  5006. 00:48:53,083 --> 00:48:57,332
  5007. um, it kind of just spiraled
  5008. downward from there.
  5009.  
  5010. 1077
  5011. 00:49:04,917 --> 00:49:08,124
  5012. So, did you feel that,
  5013. even when he cut ties,
  5014.  
  5015. 1078
  5016. 00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:11,332
  5017. he probably still felt the sting...
  5018. yeah. He was angry. Oh yeah.
  5019.  
  5020. 1079
  5021. 00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:13,082
  5022. He was angry.
  5023.  
  5024. 1080
  5025. 00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:15,165
  5026. And he just didn't feel safe...
  5027. Yeah.
  5028.  
  5029. 1081
  5030. 00:49:15,166 --> 00:49:18,165
  5031. ...in a place that he
  5032. should've felt the safest.
  5033.  
  5034. 1082
  5035. 00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:20,624
  5036. ♪ Words fall through me ♪
  5037.  
  5038. 1083
  5039. 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,374
  5040. ♪ And always fool me ♪
  5041.  
  5042. 1084
  5043. 00:49:23,375 --> 00:49:25,207
  5044. The rest of society around him
  5045.  
  5046. 1085
  5047. 00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:27,999
  5048. from church, to school,
  5049. to government,
  5050.  
  5051. 1086
  5052. 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,040
  5053. kept sending a message to
  5054. Stockton that he was less than.
  5055.  
  5056. 1087
  5057. 00:49:33,041 --> 00:49:35,332
  5058. You know,
  5059. often kids would say to him,
  5060.  
  5061. 1088
  5062. 00:49:35,333 --> 00:49:36,708
  5063. I can associate with you,
  5064.  
  5065. 1089
  5066. 00:49:36,709 --> 00:49:39,791
  5067. but if my parents find out,
  5068. then I can't.
  5069.  
  5070. 1090
  5071. 00:49:39,792 --> 00:49:43,749
  5072. It was always,
  5073. you know, this constant,
  5074.  
  5075. 1091
  5076. 00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:46,374
  5077. "I like you, but..."
  5078. or "I love you, but..."
  5079.  
  5080. 1092
  5081. 00:49:46,375 --> 00:49:49,457
  5082. ♪ Take this sinking boat ♪
  5083.  
  5084. 1093
  5085. 00:49:49,458 --> 00:49:52,624
  5086. ♪ And point it home ♪
  5087.  
  5088. 1094
  5089. 00:49:52,625 --> 00:49:57,250
  5090. ♪ We've still got time ♪
  5091.  
  5092. 1095
  5093. 00:49:58,208 --> 00:50:00,999
  5094. I could sense, you know,
  5095. his frustrations,
  5096.  
  5097. 1096
  5098. 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,207
  5099. and his anger, and his fears.
  5100.  
  5101. 1097
  5102. 00:50:04,208 --> 00:50:06,834
  5103. He would say to me often,
  5104. he'd say...
  5105.  
  5106. 1098
  5107. 00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:12,624
  5108. "What's so wrong with me
  5109. that I just can't have friends?"
  5110.  
  5111. 1099
  5112. 00:50:26,542 --> 00:50:29,416
  5113. I really didn't see it coming.
  5114.  
  5115. 1100
  5116. 00:50:29,417 --> 00:50:32,458
  5117. We were in Saint George,
  5118. and just, um...
  5119.  
  5120. 1101
  5121. 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,833
  5122. got a call...
  5123.  
  5124. 1102
  5125. 00:50:36,834 --> 00:50:39,207
  5126. that he...
  5127.  
  5128. 1103
  5129. 00:50:39,208 --> 00:50:42,124
  5130. was gone.
  5131.  
  5132. 1104
  5133. 00:50:46,625 --> 00:50:47,667
  5134. And...
  5135.  
  5136. 1105
  5137. 00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:51,249
  5138. Why didn't he call me?
  5139.  
  5140. 1106
  5141. 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:53,332
  5142. Because I would
  5143. have done anything.
  5144.  
  5145. 1107
  5146. 00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:57,791
  5147. That's what breaks my heart
  5148. is that he felt
  5149.  
  5150. 1108
  5151. 00:50:57,792 --> 00:51:00,082
  5152. that much despair,
  5153. and that he...
  5154.  
  5155. 1109
  5156. 00:51:00,083 --> 00:51:02,125
  5157. Well, that he was alone.
  5158. ...felt that alone.
  5159.  
  5160. 1110
  5161. 00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,207
  5162. He like all of us...
  5163.  
  5164. 1111
  5165. 00:51:05,208 --> 00:51:06,958
  5166. We're looking for the community.
  5167.  
  5168. 1112
  5169. 00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:08,833
  5170. Right.
  5171. Your tribe.
  5172.  
  5173. 1113
  5174. 00:51:08,834 --> 00:51:11,833
  5175. And so, he was looking for
  5176. his community and his tribe,
  5177.  
  5178. 1114
  5179. 00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:14,082
  5180. and, so he...
  5181.  
  5182. 1115
  5183. 00:51:14,083 --> 00:51:15,541
  5184. Yeah, it was, it was hard.
  5185.  
  5186. 1116
  5187. 00:51:15,542 --> 00:51:19,082
  5188. 'Cause the community that
  5189. should've been so loving
  5190.  
  5191. 1117
  5192. 00:51:19,083 --> 00:51:22,165
  5193. and accepting of him
  5194. and appreciative of his...
  5195.  
  5196. 1118
  5197. 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:23,999
  5198. Of who he is just...
  5199.  
  5200. 1119
  5201. 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,457
  5202. I mean, I think
  5203. a lot of these kids
  5204.  
  5205. 1120
  5206. 00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:27,624
  5207. really did love him
  5208. and accept him,
  5209.  
  5210. 1121
  5211. 00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:31,374
  5212. but they were at war
  5213. with their dynamic.
  5214.  
  5215. 1122
  5216. 00:51:31,375 --> 00:51:34,416
  5217. They're being taught at church what
  5218. they're gonna be taught at home.
  5219.  
  5220. 1123
  5221. 00:51:34,417 --> 00:51:35,749
  5222. Right. Yeah.
  5223.  
  5224. 1124
  5225. 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:38,165
  5226. We need more voices.
  5227.  
  5228. 1125
  5229. 00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:40,417
  5230. It's just, we need more voices.
  5231.  
  5232. 1126
  5233. 00:51:46,083 --> 00:51:47,624
  5234. And he deserves it.
  5235.  
  5236. 1127
  5237. 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:11,040
  5238. My heart is full tonight...
  5239.  
  5240. 1128
  5241. 00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:15,791
  5242. ...for so many reasons...
  5243.  
  5244. 1129
  5245. 00:52:15,792 --> 00:52:18,207
  5246. I think amidst all of this,
  5247. a lot of people would wonder
  5248.  
  5249. 1130
  5250. 00:52:18,208 --> 00:52:20,541
  5251. why I even associate
  5252. with Mormonism,
  5253.  
  5254. 1131
  5255. 00:52:20,542 --> 00:52:22,624
  5256. if, you know,
  5257. it's causing this much harm.
  5258.  
  5259. 1132
  5260. 00:52:22,625 --> 00:52:24,791
  5261. Why not just walk away
  5262. and be done?
  5263.  
  5264. 1133
  5265. 00:52:24,792 --> 00:52:28,416
  5266. We've lost our loved ones.
  5267. We've lost them to suicide.
  5268.  
  5269. 1134
  5270. 00:52:28,417 --> 00:52:33,499
  5271. I'm not gonna just walk away,
  5272. and let the house on fire burn.
  5273.  
  5274. 1135
  5275. 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:37,332
  5276. I'd rather do all that I can
  5277. with this lucky spot
  5278.  
  5279. 1136
  5280. 00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:41,541
  5281. that I've been put in
  5282. to hopefully put out a fire.
  5283.  
  5284. 1137
  5285. 00:52:41,542 --> 00:52:43,999
  5286. ♪ It's time to begin ♪
  5287.  
  5288. 1138
  5289. 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,624
  5290. ♪ Isn't it? ♪
  5291.  
  5292. 1139
  5293. 00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:49,624
  5294. ♪ I get a
  5295. little bit bigger ♪
  5296.  
  5297. 1140
  5298. 00:52:49,625 --> 00:52:52,249
  5299. ♪ But then I'll admit ♪
  5300.  
  5301. 1141
  5302. 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:57,250
  5303. ♪ I'm just the same as I was ♪
  5304.  
  5305. 1142
  5306. 00:52:58,959 --> 00:53:04,792
  5307. ♪ Now don't you understand ♪
  5308.  
  5309. 1143
  5310. 00:53:07,667 --> 00:53:12,874
  5311. ♪ That I'm never
  5312. changing who I am ♪
  5313.  
  5314. 1144
  5315. 00:53:16,458 --> 00:53:19,124
  5316. I have these tools of,
  5317. like, you know, hey,
  5318.  
  5319. 1145
  5320. 00:53:19,125 --> 00:53:21,666
  5321. if I wanna put on a festival,
  5322. we're gonna put on a festival,
  5323.  
  5324. 1146
  5325. 00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:23,207
  5326. and at least some people
  5327. are gonna come out
  5328.  
  5329. 1147
  5330. 00:53:23,208 --> 00:53:24,582
  5331. because Imagine Dragons
  5332. is playing.
  5333.  
  5334. 1148
  5335. 00:53:24,583 --> 00:53:26,749
  5336. We can get this press,
  5337. and we can get this interview
  5338.  
  5339. 1149
  5340. 00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:28,416
  5341. because of Imagine Dragons.
  5342.  
  5343. 1150
  5344. 00:53:28,417 --> 00:53:31,749
  5345. Dan, welcome to
  5346. the show. How are you doing today?
  5347.  
  5348. 1151
  5349. 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:33,332
  5350. I'm doing great. Um...
  5351.  
  5352. 1152
  5353. 00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:35,040
  5354. I don't know
  5355. if you can hear my baby
  5356.  
  5357. 1153
  5358. 00:53:35,041 --> 00:53:36,791
  5359. screaming in the background.
  5360.  
  5361. 1154
  5362. 00:53:36,792 --> 00:53:39,332
  5363. We're doing this documentary.
  5364. I'm also putting on a festival,
  5365.  
  5366. 1155
  5367. 00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,958
  5368. in Utah, August 26th,
  5369. called LoveLoud.
  5370.  
  5371. 1156
  5372. 00:53:41,959 --> 00:53:44,374
  5373. There's gonna be parents who are
  5374. gonna get up and speak who've,
  5375.  
  5376. 1157
  5377. 00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:46,207
  5378. who've lost their child
  5379. to suicide.
  5380.  
  5381. 1158
  5382. 00:53:46,208 --> 00:53:49,624
  5383. LoveLoud was this
  5384. ginormous beast, suddenly.
  5385.  
  5386. 1159
  5387. 00:53:49,625 --> 00:53:51,374
  5388. I was like okay,
  5389. I'm gonna hire an assistant.
  5390.  
  5391. 1160
  5392. 00:53:51,375 --> 00:53:54,082
  5393. I don't think he had any idea
  5394. what he was signing up for.
  5395.  
  5396. 1161
  5397. 00:53:54,083 --> 00:53:57,249
  5398. Uh, music festivals usually
  5399. take at least a year.
  5400.  
  5401. 1162
  5402. 00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:59,290
  5403. And we're trying to pull
  5404. this off in a few months.
  5405.  
  5406. 1163
  5407. 00:53:59,291 --> 00:54:03,124
  5408. We're gonna, hopefully,
  5409. create enough rumblings
  5410.  
  5411. 1164
  5412. 00:54:03,125 --> 00:54:05,332
  5413. that it's gets a ton
  5414. of press coverage
  5415.  
  5416. 1165
  5417. 00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,290
  5418. and that people
  5419. start to understand
  5420.  
  5421. 1166
  5422. 00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:11,708
  5423. that telling your child
  5424. that it's sinful to be gay
  5425.  
  5426. 1167
  5427. 00:54:11,709 --> 00:54:13,541
  5428. can be so destructive.
  5429.  
  5430. 1168
  5431. 00:54:13,542 --> 00:54:18,165
  5432. Are you worried about fans being,
  5433. maybe, turned off by activism?
  5434.  
  5435. 1169
  5436. 00:54:18,166 --> 00:54:20,499
  5437. You know. "Come on, Dan.
  5438. Just play your music." Sure.
  5439.  
  5440. 1170
  5441. 00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:23,040
  5442. I have to pay attention
  5443. to my heart
  5444.  
  5445. 1171
  5446. 00:54:23,041 --> 00:54:25,040
  5447. and speak the things
  5448. that are in my heart.
  5449.  
  5450. 1172
  5451. 00:54:25,041 --> 00:54:27,082
  5452. I felt that by not speaking out,
  5453.  
  5454. 1173
  5455. 00:54:27,083 --> 00:54:30,207
  5456. I was doing a big disservice
  5457. to my community.
  5458.  
  5459. 1174
  5460. 00:54:30,208 --> 00:54:32,708
  5461. My goal is to change
  5462. this in the church,
  5463.  
  5464. 1175
  5465. 00:54:32,709 --> 00:54:34,624
  5466. and not to say that
  5467. I can change the church,
  5468.  
  5469. 1176
  5470. 00:54:34,625 --> 00:54:38,666
  5471. but at least to bring together
  5472. a ton of people who are Mormon
  5473.  
  5474. 1177
  5475. 00:54:38,667 --> 00:54:41,582
  5476. who have said, you know,
  5477. we've had enough with this.
  5478.  
  5479. 1178
  5480. 00:54:41,583 --> 00:54:44,165
  5481. ♪ And I'm never
  5482. changing who I am ♪
  5483.  
  5484. 1179
  5485. 00:55:14,875 --> 00:55:17,290
  5486. I first met Dan in 2006,
  5487.  
  5488. 1180
  5489. 00:55:17,291 --> 00:55:19,290
  5490. when I was a shy,
  5491. closeted singer
  5492.  
  5493. 1181
  5494. 00:55:19,291 --> 00:55:23,249
  5495. in a local band in Provo, Utah,
  5496. called Neon Trees.
  5497.  
  5498. 1182
  5499. 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,207
  5500. Dan, it's unbelievably exciting
  5501. to see you use your platform
  5502.  
  5503. 1183
  5504. 00:55:29,208 --> 00:55:31,207
  5505. to spread the love
  5506. you have in your heart.
  5507.  
  5508. 1184
  5509. 00:55:31,208 --> 00:55:34,541
  5510. That is the heroic move.
  5511.  
  5512. 1185
  5513. 00:55:34,542 --> 00:55:38,332
  5514. We have a special message
  5515. for you from one of our fans.
  5516.  
  5517. 1186
  5518. 00:55:38,333 --> 00:55:40,749
  5519. Hi Dan. My name's Miranda.
  5520.  
  5521. 1187
  5522. 00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:43,374
  5523. I am 16, and I am bisexual,
  5524.  
  5525. 1188
  5526. 00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:45,999
  5527. but before anything else,
  5528. I wanna say congratulations!
  5529.  
  5530. 1189
  5531. 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,624
  5532. What you're doing
  5533. makes a difference.
  5534.  
  5535. 1190
  5536. 00:55:47,625 --> 00:55:50,666
  5537. What you're doing means
  5538. so much to people like me,
  5539.  
  5540. 1191
  5541. 00:55:50,667 --> 00:55:53,582
  5542. and I cannot thank you
  5543. enough for it.
  5544.  
  5545. 1192
  5546. 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,457
  5547. The Trevor
  5548. Project is proud to honor
  5549.  
  5550. 1193
  5551. 00:55:57,458 --> 00:55:59,165
  5552. my dear friend, Dan Reynolds,
  5553.  
  5554. 1194
  5555. 00:55:59,166 --> 00:56:00,791
  5556. with the Trevor Hero Award.
  5557.  
  5558. 1195
  5559. 00:56:00,792 --> 00:56:02,666
  5560. Please join me
  5561. in a round of applause.
  5562.  
  5563. 1196
  5564. 00:56:15,792 --> 00:56:17,583
  5565. Good luck.
  5566. All right. All right.
  5567.  
  5568. 1197
  5569. 00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:20,749
  5570. Uh...
  5571.  
  5572. 1198
  5573. 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:24,541
  5574. I loved a lot of my mission.
  5575. I did a ton of service work.
  5576.  
  5577. 1199
  5578. 00:56:24,542 --> 00:56:27,457
  5579. I lost myself.
  5580. I became nothing.
  5581.  
  5582. 1200
  5583. 00:56:27,458 --> 00:56:29,999
  5584. You're the geeky,
  5585. stupid-looking dude,
  5586.  
  5587. 1201
  5588. 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,207
  5589. with the name badge and it's...
  5590.  
  5591. 1202
  5592. 00:56:32,208 --> 00:56:34,457
  5593. and you get Slurpees
  5594. thrown at you, and it's,
  5595.  
  5596. 1203
  5597. 00:56:34,458 --> 00:56:36,791
  5598. it's humbling. It's humbling,
  5599. and it was, it was good for me.
  5600.  
  5601. 1204
  5602. 00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:40,290
  5603. But I want to... I'm sure you're wondering,
  5604. where is he going with all this?
  5605.  
  5606. 1205
  5607. 00:56:40,291 --> 00:56:42,332
  5608. And this is, this is
  5609. where I'm going with it.
  5610.  
  5611. 1206
  5612. 00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:44,124
  5613. For those two years,
  5614.  
  5615. 1207
  5616. 00:56:44,125 --> 00:56:47,749
  5617. when people asked me
  5618. what the doctrine was,
  5619.  
  5620. 1208
  5621. 00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:52,290
  5622. and they said, "Hey, I am gay,
  5623. or I feel, you know,
  5624.  
  5625. 1209
  5626. 00:56:52,291 --> 00:56:55,082
  5627. "like I'd feel like,
  5628. I like girls,
  5629.  
  5630. 1210
  5631. 00:56:55,083 --> 00:56:56,290
  5632. and what do I do about this?"
  5633.  
  5634. 1211
  5635. 00:56:56,291 --> 00:56:58,958
  5636. I taught that it was a sin
  5637.  
  5638. 1212
  5639. 00:56:58,959 --> 00:57:03,124
  5640. because that's what
  5641. I had been raised to teach.
  5642.  
  5643. 1213
  5644. 00:57:03,125 --> 00:57:06,124
  5645. I never felt it in my heart
  5646. since I was young.
  5647.  
  5648. 1214
  5649. 00:57:06,125 --> 00:57:08,040
  5650. I hold regret
  5651. about that to this day.
  5652.  
  5653. 1215
  5654. 00:57:08,041 --> 00:57:09,791
  5655. I wish I could
  5656. knock all those doors.
  5657.  
  5658. 1216
  5659. 00:57:09,792 --> 00:57:14,040
  5660. I wish I could re-knock them,
  5661. and tell them that I was wrong.
  5662.  
  5663. 1217
  5664. 00:57:14,041 --> 00:57:15,290
  5665. I can't do that.
  5666.  
  5667. 1218
  5668. 00:57:15,291 --> 00:57:17,749
  5669. All I can do is come forward
  5670. to you today and tell you,
  5671.  
  5672. 1219
  5673. 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:21,124
  5674. I sincerely am sorry.
  5675. I, really, in my heart...
  5676.  
  5677. 1220
  5678. 00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,541
  5679. Thank you for this.
  5680. This is such a great honor.
  5681.  
  5682. 1221
  5683. 00:57:28,542 --> 00:57:31,708
  5684. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
  5685.  
  5686. 1222
  5687. 00:57:31,709 --> 00:57:35,833
  5688. And I know... I know it's been
  5689. said, but love is love.
  5690.  
  5691. 1223
  5692. 00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:38,499
  5693. Love is love.
  5694. Thank you so much.
  5695.  
  5696. 1224
  5697. 00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:43,749
  5698. We're less than two months
  5699. out from the LoveLoud Festival,
  5700.  
  5701. 1225
  5702. 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:47,457
  5703. which is super intimidating
  5704. and scary for a million reasons
  5705.  
  5706. 1226
  5707. 00:57:47,458 --> 00:57:50,874
  5708. because it feels like we're still
  5709. just getting stuff together.
  5710.  
  5711. 1227
  5712. 00:57:50,875 --> 00:57:52,541
  5713. And just say,
  5714. "Take one." Take one.
  5715.  
  5716. 1228
  5717. 00:57:52,542 --> 00:57:54,916
  5718. I'm here to make
  5719. a very special announcement.
  5720.  
  5721. 1229
  5722. 00:57:54,917 --> 00:57:58,165
  5723. On August 26th,
  5724. in the Provo area,
  5725.  
  5726. 1230
  5727. 00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:01,290
  5728. we're gonna be putting on
  5729. a concert called LoveLoud...
  5730.  
  5731. 1231
  5732. 00:58:01,291 --> 00:58:05,290
  5733. So with LoveLoud, we knew
  5734. it was important to be in Utah.
  5735.  
  5736. 1232
  5737. 00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:08,749
  5738. And I don't want to say
  5739. that people were intentionally
  5740.  
  5741. 1233
  5742. 00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:10,457
  5743. trying to curb this event.
  5744.  
  5745. 1234
  5746. 00:58:10,458 --> 00:58:12,541
  5747. We can give them
  5748. a sponsorship, like a...
  5749.  
  5750. 1235
  5751. 00:58:12,542 --> 00:58:13,999
  5752. But when we started realizing
  5753.  
  5754. 1236
  5755. 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,457
  5756. it was a lot of people being
  5757. afraid to touch this issue.
  5758.  
  5759. 1237
  5760. 00:58:16,458 --> 00:58:19,916
  5761. I thought we were
  5762. gonna have a massive park.
  5763.  
  5764. 1238
  5765. 00:58:19,917 --> 00:58:22,124
  5766. We're gonna show that
  5767. the whole state of Utah
  5768.  
  5769. 1239
  5770. 00:58:22,125 --> 00:58:23,624
  5771. actually believes in this.
  5772.  
  5773. 1240
  5774. 00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:28,959
  5775. The reality hitting me is
  5776. that not all of Utah wants this.
  5777.  
  5778. 1241
  5779. 00:58:30,083 --> 00:58:31,666
  5780. I had tons of people
  5781. who were like,
  5782.  
  5783. 1242
  5784. 00:58:31,667 --> 00:58:34,666
  5785. you shouldn't talk about
  5786. how we have, like,
  5787.  
  5788. 1243
  5789. 00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,374
  5790. any issues with suicide.
  5791.  
  5792. 1244
  5793. 00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:38,290
  5794. Let's not talk about that.
  5795.  
  5796. 1245
  5797. 00:58:38,291 --> 00:58:41,499
  5798. I'm a little nervous to even click on the
  5799. comments section, to be honest with you here.
  5800.  
  5801. 1246
  5802. 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,791
  5803. "I know many LGBTQ-XYZ people,
  5804.  
  5805. 1247
  5806. 00:58:44,792 --> 00:58:47,416
  5807. "and while I treat them like
  5808. any other person I know,
  5809.  
  5810. 1248
  5811. 00:58:47,417 --> 00:58:50,249
  5812. I don't agree with their choices
  5813. to live that lifestyle."
  5814.  
  5815. 1249
  5816. 00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:52,666
  5817. People might laugh
  5818. because they might say, like,
  5819.  
  5820. 1250
  5821. 00:58:52,667 --> 00:58:57,332
  5822. why is this straight white guy
  5823. the poster child for this now?
  5824.  
  5825. 1251
  5826. 00:58:57,333 --> 00:58:59,874
  5827. I don't know.
  5828. People love to hate, you know?
  5829.  
  5830. 1252
  5831. 00:58:59,875 --> 00:59:01,541
  5832. So, we'll see what happens.
  5833.  
  5834. 1253
  5835. 00:59:01,542 --> 00:59:06,332
  5836. "Ditch Your Imagine Dragons Music
  5837. because Dan Reynolds Embraced the Poz."
  5838.  
  5839. 1254
  5840. 00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:07,624
  5841. P-O-Z.
  5842.  
  5843. 1255
  5844. 00:59:07,625 --> 00:59:10,624
  5845. So I had no idea what that was,
  5846. so I googled it.
  5847.  
  5848. 1256
  5849. 00:59:10,625 --> 00:59:13,958
  5850. "Gay slang, willing to have sex
  5851. with someone who is HIV positive
  5852.  
  5853. 1257
  5854. 00:59:13,959 --> 00:59:15,375
  5855. by someone who is not."
  5856.  
  5857. 1258
  5858. 00:59:16,542 --> 00:59:18,082
  5859. You start to feel,
  5860.  
  5861. 1259
  5862. 00:59:18,083 --> 00:59:22,999
  5863. upset that it's, like,
  5864. so blatantly obvious.
  5865.  
  5866. 1260
  5867. 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,749
  5868. Like, look how obvious this is!
  5869.  
  5870. 1261
  5871. 00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:27,332
  5872. Like, of course we have to love
  5873. and accept everybody.
  5874.  
  5875. 1262
  5876. 00:59:27,333 --> 00:59:28,791
  5877. Come on, guys!
  5878.  
  5879. 1263
  5880. 00:59:28,792 --> 00:59:33,082
  5881. It's a terrible challenge
  5882. to go into this intersection
  5883.  
  5884. 1264
  5885. 00:59:33,083 --> 00:59:38,332
  5886. of LGBT individuals
  5887. and communities of faith,
  5888.  
  5889. 1265
  5890. 00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,416
  5891. which requires sensitivity
  5892. on both sides,
  5893.  
  5894. 1266
  5895. 00:59:41,417 --> 00:59:42,958
  5896. and a lot of nuance,
  5897.  
  5898. 1267
  5899. 00:59:42,959 --> 00:59:46,290
  5900. and that is not
  5901. an easy spot to be
  5902.  
  5903. 1268
  5904. 00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:47,999
  5905. when you're someone like Dan.
  5906.  
  5907. 1269
  5908. 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,374
  5909. You know, I just did
  5910. an interview with Billboard,
  5911.  
  5912. 1270
  5913. 00:59:51,375 --> 00:59:54,791
  5914. and my family saw it, and
  5915. that's been a little difficult.
  5916.  
  5917. 1271
  5918. 00:59:54,792 --> 00:59:57,499
  5919. Feeling like the family thinks
  5920. that I'm doing something wrong,
  5921.  
  5922. 1272
  5923. 00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,833
  5924. or I'm, like, making them
  5925. look like bigots or something.
  5926.  
  5927. 1273
  5928. 00:59:59,834 --> 01:00:03,249
  5929. That's, that's been, probably,
  5930. the hardest thing for me.
  5931.  
  5932. 1274
  5933. 01:00:03,250 --> 01:00:07,290
  5934. The risk is that in going
  5935. to this vulnerable intersection,
  5936.  
  5937. 1275
  5938. 01:00:07,291 --> 01:00:09,499
  5939. of not just,
  5940. I wanna help LGBT individuals
  5941.  
  5942. 1276
  5943. 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,332
  5944. have more peace and love
  5945. and acceptance in their lives,
  5946.  
  5947. 1277
  5948. 01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:14,249
  5949. but I'm gonna have
  5950. an event in Provo, Utah,
  5951.  
  5952. 1278
  5953. 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:17,290
  5954. and I'm going to talk
  5955. about Mormon doctrine.
  5956.  
  5957. 1279
  5958. 01:00:17,291 --> 01:00:20,249
  5959. Will you express it in
  5960. a way that sounds like
  5961.  
  5962. 1280
  5963. 01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:23,249
  5964. kicking somebody when they're
  5965. down or throwing a stone?
  5966.  
  5967. 1281
  5968. 01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:25,708
  5969. Or will it come across
  5970. as someone that's
  5971.  
  5972. 1282
  5973. 01:00:25,709 --> 01:00:28,457
  5974. putting his arms around his
  5975. fellow brothers and sisters,
  5976.  
  5977. 1283
  5978. 01:00:28,458 --> 01:00:31,499
  5979. and saying, hey,
  5980. let's do better.
  5981.  
  5982. 1284
  5983. 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:33,791
  5984. It makes the family nervous.
  5985.  
  5986. 1285
  5987. 01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:36,290
  5988. But I love Dan and know
  5989. he wants to do good.
  5990.  
  5991. 1286
  5992. 01:00:36,291 --> 01:00:39,374
  5993. I know he's trying to be good,
  5994. and I know he means well.
  5995.  
  5996. 1287
  5997. 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,374
  5998. ♪ If I were you ♪
  5999.  
  6000. 1288
  6001. 01:01:20,375 --> 01:01:21,791
  6002. ♪ I'd run away ♪
  6003.  
  6004. 1289
  6005. 01:01:21,792 --> 01:01:26,332
  6006. ♪ Closing your eyes
  6007. and count to 10 ♪
  6008.  
  6009. 1290
  6010. 01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:28,374
  6011. ♪ Bird in the sky ♪
  6012.  
  6013. 1291
  6014. 01:01:28,375 --> 01:01:30,249
  6015. ♪ Peace in your mind ♪
  6016.  
  6017. 1292
  6018. 01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:31,874
  6019. There was a week in particular
  6020.  
  6021. 1293
  6022. 01:01:31,875 --> 01:01:36,249
  6023. where everything with LoveLoud
  6024. was basically falling apart.
  6025.  
  6026. 1294
  6027. 01:01:36,250 --> 01:01:39,916
  6028. Why is it so much more difficult
  6029. than I thought it would be?
  6030.  
  6031. 1295
  6032. 01:01:39,917 --> 01:01:43,916
  6033. Like, you just say, "Hey, let's all meet
  6034. in this park, this day and do something."
  6035.  
  6036. 1296
  6037. 01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:45,791
  6038. As of yesterday, our whole team
  6039.  
  6040. 1297
  6041. 01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:48,082
  6042. that we have together
  6043. was kinda feeling like,
  6044.  
  6045. 1298
  6046. 01:01:48,083 --> 01:01:50,499
  6047. we needed to cancel the event.
  6048.  
  6049. 1299
  6050. 01:01:58,875 --> 01:02:02,666
  6051. Utah was just making it
  6052. too impossible to put it on.
  6053.  
  6054. 1300
  6055. 01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:04,749
  6056. ♪ If I was me ♪
  6057.  
  6058. 1301
  6059. 01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:06,666
  6060. ♪ Weight on my back ♪
  6061.  
  6062. 1302
  6063. 01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:10,749
  6064. ♪ Feeling the sun upon my eyes ♪
  6065.  
  6066. 1303
  6067. 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:12,833
  6068. ♪ Where would I turn? ♪
  6069.  
  6070. 1304
  6071. 01:02:12,834 --> 01:02:14,666
  6072. ♪ What would I burn? ♪
  6073.  
  6074. 1305
  6075. 01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:18,791
  6076. ♪ I am a pawn within your hand ♪
  6077.  
  6078. 1306
  6079. 01:02:18,792 --> 01:02:21,500
  6080. ♪ So many voices ♪
  6081.  
  6082. 1307
  6083. 01:02:39,417 --> 01:02:42,833
  6084. ♪ Carving my blood
  6085. into the stone ♪
  6086.  
  6087. 1308
  6088. 01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,999
  6089. ♪ What do I do? ♪
  6090.  
  6091. 1309
  6092. 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,874
  6093. ♪ Where do I turn? ♪
  6094.  
  6095. 1310
  6096. 01:02:46,875 --> 01:02:50,749
  6097. ♪ Even my screams
  6098. cease to be heard ♪
  6099.  
  6100. 1311
  6101. 01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:51,958
  6102. Bye, everybody. Bye.
  6103.  
  6104. 1312
  6105. 01:02:51,959 --> 01:02:54,416
  6106. Thanks, everyone.
  6107. Bye. Okay.
  6108.  
  6109. 1313
  6110. 01:02:54,417 --> 01:02:55,791
  6111. All right.
  6112. Thank you.
  6113.  
  6114. 1314
  6115. 01:02:56,792 --> 01:02:58,999
  6116. ♪ To be alone ♪
  6117.  
  6118. 1315
  6119. 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,458
  6120. ♪ So many choices ♪
  6121.  
  6122. 1316
  6123. 01:03:06,834 --> 01:03:09,791
  6124. I was on a, a phone call
  6125.  
  6126. 1317
  6127. 01:03:09,792 --> 01:03:12,541
  6128. with, um,
  6129. one of my fund-raisers,
  6130.  
  6131. 1318
  6132. 01:03:12,542 --> 01:03:14,833
  6133. just going over
  6134. a bunch of details,
  6135.  
  6136. 1319
  6137. 01:03:14,834 --> 01:03:17,583
  6138. and my phone, uh,
  6139. my phone kept ringing.
  6140.  
  6141. 1320
  6142. 01:03:18,458 --> 01:03:20,290
  6143. I looked down,
  6144. and it was my mom.
  6145.  
  6146. 1321
  6147. 01:03:20,291 --> 01:03:22,499
  6148. I was like, ah, Mom.
  6149.  
  6150. 1322
  6151. 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:26,332
  6152. Then she called again,
  6153. and then she called a third time.
  6154.  
  6155. 1323
  6156. 01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:30,040
  6157. And at that point, I realized,
  6158. I need to talk to my mom.
  6159.  
  6160. 1324
  6161. 01:03:30,041 --> 01:03:31,999
  6162. And, uh...
  6163.  
  6164. 1325
  6165. 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,624
  6166. So I just said, hey,
  6167. I need to end this call.
  6168.  
  6169. 1326
  6170. 01:03:33,625 --> 01:03:35,666
  6171. I need to call my mom.
  6172.  
  6173. 1327
  6174. 01:03:35,667 --> 01:03:38,083
  6175. And I called my mom, and, um...
  6176.  
  6177. 1328
  6178. 01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:42,082
  6179. she was hysterical.
  6180.  
  6181. 1329
  6182. 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,874
  6183. She told me my brother, Landon,
  6184.  
  6185. 1330
  6186. 01:03:50,875 --> 01:03:52,999
  6187. had just hung himself...
  6188.  
  6189. 1331
  6190. 01:03:57,709 --> 01:04:00,791
  6191. ...in Provo.
  6192.  
  6193. 1332
  6194. 01:04:05,417 --> 01:04:06,958
  6195. ♪ In praise of you ♪
  6196.  
  6197. 1333
  6198. 01:04:06,959 --> 01:04:08,374
  6199. ♪ Our faith is strong ♪
  6200.  
  6201. 1334
  6202. 01:04:08,375 --> 01:04:10,958
  6203. ♪ We'll raise our colors
  6204. high in the blue ♪
  6205.  
  6206. 1335
  6207. 01:04:10,959 --> 01:04:13,749
  6208. ♪ And cheer our Cougars of BYU ♪
  6209.  
  6210. 1336
  6211. 01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:15,708
  6212. ♪ Oh, rah, rah, rah-rah-rah ♪
  6213.  
  6214. 1337
  6215. 01:04:15,709 --> 01:04:19,457
  6216. So Landon was
  6217. attending BYU, the...
  6218.  
  6219. 1338
  6220. 01:04:19,458 --> 01:04:21,332
  6221. IDS church's university.
  6222.  
  6223. 1339
  6224. 01:04:21,333 --> 01:04:24,874
  6225. He also had a, uh,
  6226. really cool girlfriend,
  6227.  
  6228. 1340
  6229. 01:04:24,875 --> 01:04:28,499
  6230. and he'd kinda
  6231. blossomed down there.
  6232.  
  6233. 1341
  6234. 01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,290
  6235. And then he and his girlfriend,
  6236. they had sex,
  6237.  
  6238. 1342
  6239. 01:04:31,291 --> 01:04:33,332
  6240. which is against the honor code.
  6241.  
  6242. 1343
  6243. 01:04:33,333 --> 01:04:35,958
  6244. Landon was honest
  6245. with the university
  6246.  
  6247. 1344
  6248. 01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:38,750
  6249. and explained what had
  6250. happened, and told them.
  6251.  
  6252. 1345
  6253. 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,082
  6254. And they said...
  6255.  
  6256. 1346
  6257. 01:04:43,709 --> 01:04:46,624
  6258. ...you're kicked out
  6259. for five years, and...
  6260.  
  6261. 1347
  6262. 01:04:46,625 --> 01:04:49,582
  6263. you can't associate
  6264. with any of your professors.
  6265.  
  6266. 1348
  6267. 01:04:49,583 --> 01:04:50,792
  6268. You're done.
  6269.  
  6270. 1349
  6271. 01:04:52,458 --> 01:04:55,582
  6272. It started to put him into a
  6273. downward spiral of depression
  6274.  
  6275. 1350
  6276. 01:04:55,583 --> 01:04:59,749
  6277. and emotional wound after emotional
  6278. wound, it was... it was hard for him.
  6279.  
  6280. 1351
  6281. 01:04:59,750 --> 01:05:02,749
  6282. Even though in the eyes of his,
  6283.  
  6284. 1352
  6285. 01:05:02,750 --> 01:05:04,999
  6286. his God, he was clean.
  6287.  
  6288. 1353
  6289. 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,457
  6290. In the culture there, he wasn't.
  6291.  
  6292. 1354
  6293. 01:05:06,458 --> 01:05:08,124
  6294. He was just a sinner.
  6295.  
  6296. 1355
  6297. 01:05:08,125 --> 01:05:11,457
  6298. And, uh, that's how a lot of
  6299. people looked at him.
  6300.  
  6301. 1356
  6302. 01:05:11,458 --> 01:05:13,833
  6303. As less than.
  6304.  
  6305. 1357
  6306. 01:05:13,834 --> 01:05:16,249
  6307. He just felt worthless.
  6308.  
  6309. 1358
  6310. 01:05:19,959 --> 01:05:21,416
  6311. So it was really hard,
  6312. because...
  6313.  
  6314. 1359
  6315. 01:05:25,333 --> 01:05:26,999
  6316. ...night after night,
  6317. day after day,
  6318.  
  6319. 1360
  6320. 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,290
  6321. I'm spending all my time
  6322. trying to bring this...
  6323.  
  6324. 1361
  6325. 01:05:30,291 --> 01:05:31,999
  6326. trying to bring
  6327. this festival to life,
  6328.  
  6329. 1362
  6330. 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,333
  6331. to save lives and to help
  6332. people not feel alone.
  6333.  
  6334. 1363
  6335. 01:05:49,458 --> 01:05:51,833
  6336. It breaks my heart knowing
  6337. that Landon got to a point
  6338.  
  6339. 1364
  6340. 01:05:51,834 --> 01:05:54,332
  6341. where he believed
  6342. that the only way his soul
  6343.  
  6344. 1365
  6345. 01:05:54,333 --> 01:05:57,249
  6346. could go on was for it
  6347. to leave his body.
  6348.  
  6349. 1366
  6350. 01:05:58,583 --> 01:06:01,332
  6351. And the harsh reality is that,
  6352.  
  6353. 1367
  6354. 01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:04,207
  6355. I mean, here in Utah,
  6356. the leading cause of death
  6357.  
  6358. 1368
  6359. 01:06:04,208 --> 01:06:06,791
  6360. for teenagers is suicide.
  6361.  
  6362. 1369
  6363. 01:06:09,959 --> 01:06:14,499
  6364. I think we all can agree that we
  6365. need to find a solution to this.
  6366.  
  6367. 1370
  6368. 01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:17,708
  6369. And it's gonna take every
  6370. single one of us in this room
  6371.  
  6372. 1371
  6373. 01:06:17,709 --> 01:06:19,500
  6374. to make a difference.
  6375.  
  6376. 1372
  6377. 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,417
  6378. I believe, and I know, that...
  6379.  
  6380. 1373
  6381. 01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:28,249
  6382. Mormons are good people.
  6383.  
  6384. 1374
  6385. 01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:30,666
  6386. That...
  6387.  
  6388. 1375
  6389. 01:06:30,667 --> 01:06:32,791
  6390. we have sincere hearts.
  6391.  
  6392. 1376
  6393. 01:06:32,792 --> 01:06:34,792
  6394. That we're no, no less...
  6395.  
  6396. 1377
  6397. 01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:38,791
  6398. broken than any other society.
  6399.  
  6400. 1378
  6401. 01:06:38,792 --> 01:06:39,792
  6402. Um...
  6403.  
  6404. 1379
  6405. 01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:43,958
  6406. But the way that our culture
  6407. is failing right now
  6408.  
  6409. 1380
  6410. 01:06:43,959 --> 01:06:46,249
  6411. is in a very unique way,
  6412.  
  6413. 1381
  6414. 01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:48,582
  6415. and in a deadly way.
  6416.  
  6417. 1382
  6418. 01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:57,457
  6419. The shaming that happens in
  6420. this culture needs to end.
  6421.  
  6422. 1383
  6423. 01:06:57,458 --> 01:06:58,749
  6424. I believe in a higher power,
  6425.  
  6426. 1384
  6427. 01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:01,124
  6428. and I believe in
  6429. goodness and love,
  6430.  
  6431. 1385
  6432. 01:07:01,125 --> 01:07:03,082
  6433. and I know we can do this.
  6434.  
  6435. 1386
  6436. 01:07:03,083 --> 01:07:06,999
  6437. This isn't some
  6438. insurmountable task.
  6439.  
  6440. 1387
  6441. 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,916
  6442. It's feasible
  6443. because I believe in us.
  6444.  
  6445. 1388
  6446. 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,582
  6447. I had to respond to him,
  6448. and I said,
  6449.  
  6450. 1389
  6451. 01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:22,874
  6452. Lance, I'm so sorry that your
  6453. brother just committed suicide.
  6454.  
  6455. 1390
  6456. 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:24,582
  6457. You don't have
  6458. to do this anymore.
  6459.  
  6460. 1391
  6461. 01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:27,124
  6462. You know? You don't have
  6463. to be on these calls. Please.
  6464.  
  6465. 1392
  6466. 01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:30,124
  6467. Like, go take off time
  6468. with your family.
  6469.  
  6470. 1393
  6471. 01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:32,709
  6472. Like, you could, like,
  6473. I'll do LoveLoud.
  6474.  
  6475. 1394
  6476. 01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:37,457
  6477. And he... he just refuses.
  6478.  
  6479. 1395
  6480. 01:07:37,458 --> 01:07:39,333
  6481. He texted me and he says,
  6482.  
  6483. 1396
  6484. 01:07:41,083 --> 01:07:43,958
  6485. "I'm gonna be with my family
  6486. for a few days,
  6487.  
  6488. 1397
  6489. 01:07:43,959 --> 01:07:47,541
  6490. "but will still be working on
  6491. everything and want you to know
  6492.  
  6493. 1398
  6494. 01:07:47,542 --> 01:07:48,916
  6495. "we will make it happen.
  6496.  
  6497. 1399
  6498. 01:07:48,917 --> 01:07:51,916
  6499. "No one deserves to feel the way
  6500. my mother does right now,
  6501.  
  6502. 1400
  6503. 01:07:51,917 --> 01:07:53,916
  6504. "and I'm going to work
  6505. my hardest to ensure
  6506.  
  6507. 1401
  6508. 01:07:53,917 --> 01:07:56,249
  6509. "that this suicide
  6510. epidemic ends, man.
  6511.  
  6512. 1402
  6513. 01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:58,332
  6514. "This is so wrong
  6515. and has to stop.
  6516.  
  6517. 1403
  6518. 01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:00,624
  6519. "I know you're stressing
  6520. about this festival,
  6521.  
  6522. 1404
  6523. 01:08:00,625 --> 01:08:03,290
  6524. "but I assure you,
  6525. we're going to pull this off.
  6526.  
  6527. 1405
  6528. 01:08:03,291 --> 01:08:05,249
  6529. "There are too many
  6530. things going right.
  6531.  
  6532. 1406
  6533. 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:06,624
  6534. "LoveLoud is going to happen
  6535.  
  6536. 1407
  6537. 01:08:06,625 --> 01:08:09,249
  6538. and it's going to
  6539. change the world."
  6540.  
  6541. 1408
  6542. 01:08:09,250 --> 01:08:11,666
  6543. He just said,
  6544. we're going to do this, Dan.
  6545.  
  6546. 1409
  6547. 01:08:11,667 --> 01:08:13,582
  6548. We can do this.
  6549.  
  6550. 1410
  6551. 01:08:13,583 --> 01:08:15,958
  6552. I have an idea.
  6553. Let's do it grassroots.
  6554.  
  6555. 1411
  6556. 01:08:15,959 --> 01:08:18,457
  6557. We don't need to get
  6558. a bunch of money.
  6559.  
  6560. 1412
  6561. 01:08:18,458 --> 01:08:19,999
  6562. We don't need to dumb it down
  6563.  
  6564. 1413
  6565. 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,457
  6566. or clean it up or make it
  6567. more vanilla to get sponsors.
  6568.  
  6569. 1414
  6570. 01:08:23,458 --> 01:08:24,999
  6571. You know, you told me
  6572. on the phone that
  6573.  
  6574. 1415
  6575. 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,332
  6576. if we didn't get the money,
  6577.  
  6578. 1416
  6579. 01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:29,499
  6580. we'd go stand in a park on...
  6581.  
  6582. 1417
  6583. 01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:33,332
  6584. ...on a soapbox,
  6585. and just scream to the world
  6586.  
  6587. 1418
  6588. 01:08:33,333 --> 01:08:35,124
  6589. that things needed
  6590. to change in Utah.
  6591.  
  6592. 1419
  6593. 01:08:35,125 --> 01:08:39,082
  6594. We want it to be a safe space for
  6595. everybody to come out and be able to...
  6596.  
  6597. 1420
  6598. 01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:42,666
  6599. feel the love and acceptance
  6600. together for LGBTQ youth,
  6601.  
  6602. 1421
  6603. 01:08:42,667 --> 01:08:47,416
  6604. and we want them to hear it with
  6605. resounding cries from all across Utah.
  6606.  
  6607. 1422
  6608. 01:08:47,417 --> 01:08:50,290
  6609. We went from the
  6610. event not happening,
  6611.  
  6612. 1423
  6613. 01:08:50,291 --> 01:08:54,749
  6614. to me begging people
  6615. to take it on.
  6616.  
  6617. 1424
  6618. 01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:56,124
  6619. We have the chance
  6620. to do something
  6621.  
  6622. 1425
  6623. 01:08:56,125 --> 01:08:58,040
  6624. that's really
  6625. powerful and great,
  6626.  
  6627. 1426
  6628. 01:08:58,041 --> 01:08:59,416
  6629. but, um,
  6630.  
  6631. 1427
  6632. 01:08:59,417 --> 01:09:02,124
  6633. it has been, doing it
  6634. in Utah has been difficult.
  6635.  
  6636. 1428
  6637. 01:09:02,125 --> 01:09:05,374
  6638. Finally, we got somebody
  6639. who said okay, we can do it,
  6640.  
  6641. 1429
  6642. 01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:06,999
  6643. if we do it in this ballpark,
  6644.  
  6645. 1430
  6646. 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,249
  6647. and we're gonna have
  6648. to set it up the morning of,
  6649.  
  6650. 1431
  6651. 01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:11,082
  6652. so we need a small stage
  6653. you can roll in.
  6654.  
  6655. 1432
  6656. 01:09:11,083 --> 01:09:13,999
  6657. A mutual love of music
  6658. is a great way to foster love,
  6659.  
  6660. 1433
  6661. 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,999
  6662. understanding and acceptance.
  6663. That's how our next guest
  6664.  
  6665. 1434
  6666. 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,165
  6667. wants to support
  6668. the LGBTQ community...
  6669.  
  6670. 1435
  6671. 01:09:20,166 --> 01:09:24,374
  6672. It's basically come together
  6673. in such a crazy, last minute way,
  6674.  
  6675. 1436
  6676. 01:09:24,375 --> 01:09:27,500
  6677. that every single person told
  6678. me that I was stupid doing it.
  6679.  
  6680. 1437
  6681. 01:09:56,375 --> 01:09:59,249
  6682. Yeah, I guess I've
  6683. never thought about
  6684.  
  6685. 1438
  6686. 01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:01,082
  6687. how big the church
  6688. is versus the band,
  6689.  
  6690. 1439
  6691. 01:10:01,083 --> 01:10:02,708
  6692. how influential the church
  6693. is versus the band.
  6694.  
  6695. 1440
  6696. 01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:05,624
  6697. I guess if I really stand back
  6698. and look at it, it's like,
  6699.  
  6700. 1441
  6701. 01:10:05,625 --> 01:10:08,290
  6702. the band reaches millions,
  6703. millions,
  6704.  
  6705. 1442
  6706. 01:10:08,291 --> 01:10:11,916
  6707. and we put out a video and
  6708. it's like 500 million views.
  6709.  
  6710. 1443
  6711. 01:10:11,917 --> 01:10:16,040
  6712. Good morning, America!
  6713.  
  6714. 1444
  6715. 01:10:18,417 --> 01:10:21,374
  6716. We have a show in November,
  6717.  
  6718. 1445
  6719. 01:10:21,375 --> 01:10:24,374
  6720. in Salt Lake City
  6721. that's sold out,
  6722.  
  6723. 1446
  6724. 01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:25,624
  6725. and it sold out super fast,
  6726.  
  6727. 1447
  6728. 01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:28,791
  6729. and it's 20,000 people plus.
  6730.  
  6731. 1448
  6732. 01:10:28,792 --> 01:10:31,416
  6733. We figured, oh,
  6734. when we do this LoveLoud,
  6735.  
  6736. 1449
  6737. 01:10:31,417 --> 01:10:32,624
  6738. it's just gonna sell out.
  6739.  
  6740. 1450
  6741. 01:10:32,625 --> 01:10:35,499
  6742. And so, when we put up
  6743. the tickets, it's just nowhere
  6744.  
  6745. 1451
  6746. 01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:39,124
  6747. near selling as fast as
  6748. an Imagine Dragons show sells.
  6749.  
  6750. 1452
  6751. 01:10:39,125 --> 01:10:42,249
  6752. I mean, that tells you
  6753. everything you need to know.
  6754.  
  6755. 1453
  6756. 01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:45,791
  6757. In order for Mormons
  6758. to feel safe to come to this,
  6759.  
  6760. 1454
  6761. 01:10:45,792 --> 01:10:51,124
  6762. the truth is Mormons will
  6763. feel safe about something
  6764.  
  6765. 1455
  6766. 01:10:51,125 --> 01:10:53,625
  6767. when the prophet says
  6768. to feel safe about something.
  6769.  
  6770. 1456
  6771. 01:10:55,041 --> 01:10:57,416
  6772. We know that there
  6773. are conversations going on
  6774.  
  6775. 1457
  6776. 01:10:57,417 --> 01:11:00,749
  6777. in the, the hierarchy
  6778. of the church.
  6779.  
  6780. 1458
  6781. 01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:02,708
  6782. I don't know fully
  6783. what they look like.
  6784.  
  6785. 1459
  6786. 01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:05,666
  6787. I hope that the church is
  6788. able to make a statement,
  6789.  
  6790. 1460
  6791. 01:11:05,667 --> 01:11:07,249
  6792. and to let people know
  6793.  
  6794. 1461
  6795. 01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:10,833
  6796. that these conversations
  6797. are okay to have.
  6798.  
  6799. 1462
  6800. 01:11:10,834 --> 01:11:12,250
  6801. If the prophet said,
  6802.  
  6803. 1463
  6804. 01:11:13,166 --> 01:11:17,082
  6805. "Hey, LoveLoud is cool,"
  6806.  
  6807. 1464
  6808. 01:11:17,083 --> 01:11:21,791
  6809. then that would be incredible,
  6810. and that would shift,
  6811.  
  6812. 1465
  6813. 01:11:21,792 --> 01:11:25,541
  6814. that would be, like, everything
  6815. I could ever hope for.
  6816.  
  6817. 1466
  6818. 01:11:25,542 --> 01:11:27,708
  6819. For me, that is a bridge
  6820.  
  6821. 1467
  6822. 01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:29,666
  6823. that has never been, like,
  6824.  
  6825. 1468
  6826. 01:11:29,667 --> 01:11:33,958
  6827. that is not a bridge that,
  6828. that has been created.
  6829.  
  6830. 1469
  6831. 01:11:33,959 --> 01:11:36,708
  6832. It would be the most amazing,
  6833.  
  6834. 1470
  6835. 01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:38,416
  6836. huge step of progress
  6837. if the church says,
  6838.  
  6839. 1471
  6840. 01:11:38,417 --> 01:11:41,874
  6841. hey, there's this LGBTQ event,
  6842. and yeah, even the guy who's
  6843.  
  6844. 1472
  6845. 01:11:41,875 --> 01:11:44,457
  6846. behind it doesn't believe
  6847. that it's a sin to be gay,
  6848.  
  6849. 1473
  6850. 01:11:44,458 --> 01:11:46,916
  6851. and, well,
  6852. here's a stamp of approval.
  6853.  
  6854. 1474
  6855. 01:11:46,917 --> 01:11:48,332
  6856. Like that, to me, I'm like...
  6857.  
  6858. 1475
  6859. 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:50,749
  6860. amazing! It'd be amazing.
  6861.  
  6862. 1476
  6863. 01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:53,249
  6864. So yeah, I've just,
  6865. I've been waiting on, uh,
  6866.  
  6867. 1477
  6868. 01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:56,165
  6869. pins and needles
  6870. to see if they're gonna,
  6871.  
  6872. 1478
  6873. 01:11:56,166 --> 01:11:57,708
  6874. uh, come through
  6875. with a proposal,
  6876.  
  6877. 1479
  6878. 01:11:57,709 --> 01:12:00,999
  6879. and, and I hope it's sooner
  6880. rather than later.
  6881.  
  6882. 1480
  6883. 01:12:11,875 --> 01:12:13,791
  6884. Do you know what Daddy is doing?
  6885.  
  6886. 1481
  6887. 01:12:13,792 --> 01:12:15,207
  6888. What?
  6889.  
  6890. 1482
  6891. 01:12:15,208 --> 01:12:17,291
  6892. So, Daddy's putting
  6893. on a festival
  6894.  
  6895. 1483
  6896. 01:12:18,458 --> 01:12:22,791
  6897. because he wants people
  6898. to understand
  6899.  
  6900. 1484
  6901. 01:12:22,792 --> 01:12:24,749
  6902. that...
  6903.  
  6904. 1485
  6905. 01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,374
  6906. um, that...
  6907.  
  6908. 1486
  6909. 01:12:26,375 --> 01:12:29,207
  6910. Do you know what being gay is?
  6911.  
  6912. 1487
  6913. 01:12:29,208 --> 01:12:30,833
  6914. Do you remember how
  6915. we talked about how, like,
  6916.  
  6917. 1488
  6918. 01:12:30,834 --> 01:12:33,833
  6919. boys can love boys,
  6920. and girls can love girls,
  6921.  
  6922. 1489
  6923. 01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:34,916
  6924. or they can love,
  6925.  
  6926. 1490
  6927. 01:12:34,917 --> 01:12:37,249
  6928. girls can love boys
  6929. or boys can love girls?
  6930.  
  6931. 1491
  6932. 01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:39,582
  6933. Uh-huh, and...
  6934. And sometimes, what?
  6935.  
  6936. 1492
  6937. 01:12:39,583 --> 01:12:42,708
  6938. And sometimes girls
  6939. wanna be a boy,
  6940.  
  6941. 1493
  6942. 01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:45,541
  6943. and sometimes
  6944. boys wanna be girls,
  6945.  
  6946. 1494
  6947. 01:12:45,542 --> 01:12:46,833
  6948. and girls wanna be boys.
  6949.  
  6950. 1495
  6951. 01:12:46,834 --> 01:12:49,082
  6952. And then what can happen?
  6953. Remember, I told you sometimes
  6954.  
  6955. 1496
  6956. 01:12:49,083 --> 01:12:50,958
  6957. people can be mean
  6958. to that person.
  6959.  
  6960. 1497
  6961. 01:12:50,959 --> 01:12:52,249
  6962. Yeah.
  6963. Yeah.
  6964.  
  6965. 1498
  6966. 01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:54,791
  6967. And so we have to be,
  6968. protect that person, huh?
  6969.  
  6970. 1499
  6971. 01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:55,792
  6972. Yeah.
  6973.  
  6974. 1500
  6975. 01:12:57,041 --> 01:12:59,417
  6976. So, the festival's
  6977. called LoveLoud...
  6978.  
  6979. 1501
  6980. 01:13:01,291 --> 01:13:03,208
  6981. because it means,
  6982. "love everybody,
  6983.  
  6984. 1502
  6985. 01:13:04,458 --> 01:13:05,624
  6986. no matter what."
  6987.  
  6988. 1503
  6989. 01:13:09,458 --> 01:13:12,457
  6990. I saw something on your
  6991. phone, so you better read it.
  6992.  
  6993. 1504
  6994. 01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:15,040
  6995. Okay. It's 10:30 PM.
  6996.  
  6997. 1505
  6998. 01:13:15,041 --> 01:13:17,749
  6999. Uh, 10:30 PM, we were
  7000. just about to go to bed,
  7001.  
  7002. 1506
  7003. 01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:21,499
  7004. and it's August... 14th.
  7005. Sunday. Yeah.
  7006.  
  7007. 1507
  7008. 01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:23,583
  7009. Yeah.
  7010. So, we're like a week out.
  7011.  
  7012. 1508
  7013. 01:13:25,291 --> 01:13:26,958
  7014. Is that right? Yeah.
  7015. No, I don't know.
  7016.  
  7017. 1509
  7018. 01:13:26,959 --> 01:13:28,165
  7019. Arrow starts school tomorrow.
  7020.  
  7021. 1510
  7022. 01:13:28,166 --> 01:13:30,082
  7023. I don't know what...
  7024. We have 10 days. Like 10 days.
  7025.  
  7026. 1511
  7027. 01:13:30,083 --> 01:13:31,124
  7028. 10 days. Anyway.
  7029. Okay.
  7030.  
  7031. 1512
  7032. 01:13:31,125 --> 01:13:32,917
  7033. We have the church's statement.
  7034.  
  7035. 1513
  7036. 01:13:33,917 --> 01:13:35,124
  7037. Quote,
  7038.  
  7039. 1514
  7040. 01:13:35,125 --> 01:13:38,290
  7041. "We applaud the Love..." It's long.
  7042. Geez.
  7043.  
  7044. 1515
  7045. 01:13:38,291 --> 01:13:42,207
  7046. Quote, "We applaud
  7047. the LoveLoud Festival
  7048.  
  7049. 1516
  7050. 01:13:42,208 --> 01:13:43,958
  7051. for LGBTQ youths..."
  7052.  
  7053. 1517
  7054. 01:13:43,959 --> 01:13:46,916
  7055. First of all, I've never heard
  7056. the church say, "LGBTQ."
  7057.  
  7058. 1518
  7059. 01:13:46,917 --> 01:13:49,040
  7060. It's always, they say,
  7061. "same-sex attraction."
  7062.  
  7063. 1519
  7064. 01:13:49,041 --> 01:13:51,749
  7065. I've never...
  7066. This is, that's...
  7067.  
  7068. 1520
  7069. 01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:53,583
  7070. I've never, ever
  7071. heard them say that.
  7072.  
  7073. 1521
  7074. 01:13:54,625 --> 01:13:56,499
  7075. Awesome.
  7076.  
  7077. 1522
  7078. 01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:58,791
  7079. "We applaud
  7080. the LoveLoud Festival's...
  7081.  
  7082. 1523
  7083. 01:13:58,792 --> 01:14:01,874
  7084. "Festival for LGBTQ youth's aim
  7085.  
  7086. 1524
  7087. 01:14:01,875 --> 01:14:04,833
  7088. "to bring people together
  7089. to address teen safety,
  7090.  
  7091. 1525
  7092. 01:14:04,834 --> 01:14:08,749
  7093. "and to express respect and love
  7094. for all of God's children.
  7095.  
  7096. 1526
  7097. 01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:10,874
  7098. "We join our voice with all
  7099.  
  7100. 1527
  7101. 01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:13,666
  7102. "who come together to foster
  7103. a community of inclusion
  7104.  
  7105. 1528
  7106. 01:14:13,667 --> 01:14:16,916
  7107. "in which no one is
  7108. mistreated because of who...
  7109.  
  7110. 1529
  7111. 01:14:16,917 --> 01:14:19,207
  7112. they are or what they believe."
  7113.  
  7114. 1530
  7115. 01:14:21,500 --> 01:14:22,875
  7116. "Who they are."
  7117.  
  7118. 1531
  7119. 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,499
  7120. I know, that's big.
  7121.  
  7122. 1532
  7123. 01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:26,499
  7124. "We share common beliefs.
  7125. Among them,
  7126.  
  7127. 1533
  7128. 01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:28,124
  7129. "the pricelessness of our youth,
  7130.  
  7131. 1534
  7132. 01:14:28,125 --> 01:14:29,791
  7133. "and the value of families.
  7134.  
  7135. 1535
  7136. 01:14:29,792 --> 01:14:32,958
  7137. "We earnestly hope
  7138. this festival and others,
  7139.  
  7140. 1536
  7141. 01:14:32,959 --> 01:14:35,916
  7142. "other related efforts can
  7143. build respectful communication,
  7144.  
  7145. 1537
  7146. 01:14:35,917 --> 01:14:37,582
  7147. "better understanding
  7148. and civility
  7149.  
  7150. 1538
  7151. 01:14:37,583 --> 01:14:39,500
  7152. as we all learn
  7153. from each other."
  7154.  
  7155. 1539
  7156. 01:14:47,375 --> 01:14:50,041
  7157. That's really great, babe.
  7158. It's a step.
  7159.  
  7160. 1540
  7161. 01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:55,291
  7162. That's pretty awesome.
  7163.  
  7164. 1541
  7165. 01:15:12,917 --> 01:15:14,916
  7166. Check, check, one, two.
  7167.  
  7168. 1542
  7169. 01:15:14,917 --> 01:15:16,374
  7170. Pole mic one.
  7171.  
  7172. 1543
  7173. 01:15:19,792 --> 01:15:23,500
  7174. Wireless one, one, two.
  7175. Wireless one...
  7176.  
  7177. 1544
  7178. 01:15:33,458 --> 01:15:35,541
  7179. This is the reality of life.
  7180.  
  7181. 1545
  7182. 01:15:35,542 --> 01:15:38,749
  7183. Dan and I both have nerves,
  7184. and we're, like, nervous,
  7185.  
  7186. 1546
  7187. 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:42,166
  7188. but I just think that there's some sort
  7189. of a deeper feeling of just, like...
  7190.  
  7191. 1547
  7192. 01:15:44,208 --> 01:15:48,791
  7193. I feel like this is the kind of stuff that
  7194. life is really, the purpose of it all.
  7195.  
  7196. 1548
  7197. 01:15:48,792 --> 01:15:51,958
  7198. So, there's, like,
  7199. a real gratification
  7200.  
  7201. 1549
  7202. 01:15:51,959 --> 01:15:55,416
  7203. in actually pulling
  7204. something like this off,
  7205.  
  7206. 1550
  7207. 01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:57,749
  7208. even though it hasn't
  7209. been pulled off yet,
  7210.  
  7211. 1551
  7212. 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:59,290
  7213. but...
  7214.  
  7215. 1552
  7216. 01:15:59,291 --> 01:16:00,999
  7217. I feel like it's just...
  7218.  
  7219. 1553
  7220. 01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:05,708
  7221. Just one of those, it's,
  7222. opens your heart, you know?
  7223.  
  7224. 1554
  7225. 01:16:05,709 --> 01:16:07,708
  7226. It feels amazing.
  7227.  
  7228. 1555
  7229. 01:16:08,959 --> 01:16:11,457
  7230. Oh my gosh, seriously?
  7231.  
  7232. 1556
  7233. 01:16:11,458 --> 01:16:13,375
  7234. Let's not put that in there.
  7235.  
  7236. 1557
  7237. 01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:18,041
  7238. Hey, babe. We got to go,
  7239. sweetie. We're so late.
  7240.  
  7241. 1558
  7242. 01:16:19,125 --> 01:16:20,582
  7243. Honey, we are fine!
  7244.  
  7245. 1559
  7246. 01:16:20,583 --> 01:16:22,457
  7247. We have 20 minutes,
  7248. and I'm pumping.
  7249.  
  7250. 1560
  7251. 01:16:22,458 --> 01:16:24,249
  7252. The sooner we get there,
  7253. the sooner we can...
  7254.  
  7255. 1561
  7256. 01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:27,541
  7257. The better chance we get of
  7258. getting everybody in a room...
  7259.  
  7260. 1562
  7261. 01:16:27,542 --> 01:16:29,165
  7262. to have, like, a...
  7263.  
  7264. 1563
  7265. 01:16:29,166 --> 01:16:32,290
  7266. What do you want me to do? ...Pow-wow
  7267. with all the speakers and stuff.
  7268.  
  7269. 1564
  7270. 01:16:32,291 --> 01:16:34,457
  7271. Honey, what do you want me
  7272. to do about this pumping?
  7273.  
  7274. 1565
  7275. 01:16:34,458 --> 01:16:36,416
  7276. Nothing. You're fine.
  7277. I'm just...
  7278.  
  7279. 1566
  7280. 01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:38,125
  7281. being anxious. Sorry.
  7282.  
  7283. 1567
  7284. 01:16:40,166 --> 01:16:43,082
  7285. I could help you
  7286. pack while you're pumping.
  7287.  
  7288. 1568
  7289. 01:16:43,083 --> 01:16:44,999
  7290. Well, I, I like to pack.
  7291.  
  7292. 1569
  7293. 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,249
  7294. I'm a control freak, remember?
  7295.  
  7296. 1570
  7297. 01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:47,499
  7298. Well, it's just literally
  7299.  
  7300. 1571
  7301. 01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:49,666
  7302. a matter of me zipping up
  7303. your zipper over here.
  7304.  
  7305. 1572
  7306. 01:16:49,667 --> 01:16:52,165
  7307. Well, okay. Just start
  7308. putting things away.
  7309.  
  7310. 1573
  7311. 01:16:52,166 --> 01:16:54,582
  7312. Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't know
  7313. where you want these two things...
  7314.  
  7315. 1574
  7316. 01:16:54,583 --> 01:16:57,250
  7317. Oh please. Can you just
  7318. ...let me do it?
  7319.  
  7320. 1575
  7321. 01:16:58,166 --> 01:17:00,792
  7322. Oh my gosh.
  7323.  
  7324. 1576
  7325. 01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:05,959
  7326. It's gonna be amazing.
  7327.  
  7328. 1577
  7329. 01:17:06,917 --> 01:17:08,417
  7330. 'Kay?
  7331. 'Kay.
  7332.  
  7333. 1578
  7334. 01:17:09,667 --> 01:17:12,207
  7335. I just have to go
  7336. on stage and just...
  7337.  
  7338. 1579
  7339. 01:17:12,208 --> 01:17:13,958
  7340. Talk about...
  7341. ...to all these people who are
  7342.  
  7343. 1580
  7344. 01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:16,583
  7345. completely opposites of
  7346. each other to get along.
  7347.  
  7348. 1581
  7349. 01:17:24,083 --> 01:17:25,624
  7350. All right, babe.
  7351. You okay?
  7352.  
  7353. 1582
  7354. 01:17:25,625 --> 01:17:26,708
  7355. No.
  7356.  
  7357. 1583
  7358. 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:27,708
  7359. We're gonna do it.
  7360.  
  7361. 1584
  7362. 01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:29,999
  7363. Okay.
  7364. Let's do it.
  7365.  
  7366. 1585
  7367. 01:17:36,834 --> 01:17:40,291
  7368. All right, it's a good time to
  7369. look and see if there's protesters.
  7370.  
  7371. 1586
  7372. 01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:44,207
  7373. You're making me
  7374. so nervous today, hon.
  7375.  
  7376. 1587
  7377. 01:17:44,208 --> 01:17:45,708
  7378. I don't know why.
  7379. What?
  7380.  
  7381. 1588
  7382. 01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:47,124
  7383. I don't know why.
  7384. Why?
  7385.  
  7386. 1589
  7387. 01:17:47,125 --> 01:17:48,541
  7388. I don't know why.
  7389.  
  7390. 1590
  7391. 01:17:48,542 --> 01:17:50,207
  7392. I'm not supposed to be
  7393. here to make you nervous.
  7394.  
  7395. 1591
  7396. 01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:51,624
  7397. I think I'm just
  7398. making myself nervous,
  7399.  
  7400. 1592
  7401. 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:53,785
  7402. and I just wanna blame it on
  7403. you 'cause you're my wife.
  7404.  
  7405. 1593
  7406. 01:17:57,625 --> 01:18:01,040
  7407. The people in line, I'm just
  7408. so curious to hear what people...
  7409.  
  7410. 1594
  7411. 01:18:01,041 --> 01:18:02,124
  7412. Are talking about.
  7413.  
  7414. 1595
  7415. 01:18:02,125 --> 01:18:04,249
  7416. Yeah. And what
  7417. the line looks like,
  7418.  
  7419. 1596
  7420. 01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:05,916
  7421. and, like, who,
  7422. who's coming to this.
  7423.  
  7424. 1597
  7425. 01:18:05,917 --> 01:18:07,082
  7426. It seems like there's a lot
  7427.  
  7428. 1598
  7429. 01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:09,416
  7430. more people than just the LGBTQ,
  7431.  
  7432. 1599
  7433. 01:18:09,417 --> 01:18:10,916
  7434. and I'm really happy
  7435. to see that.
  7436.  
  7437. 1600
  7438. 01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:12,541
  7439. I think what Dan Reynolds
  7440. has done here
  7441.  
  7442. 1601
  7443. 01:18:12,542 --> 01:18:16,749
  7444. is, is really, uh, important
  7445. for helping people to see,
  7446.  
  7447. 1602
  7448. 01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:19,916
  7449. and, and normalize
  7450. the concept of, of us being
  7451.  
  7452. 1603
  7453. 01:18:19,917 --> 01:18:21,332
  7454. in the same world as them.
  7455.  
  7456. 1604
  7457. 01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:27,457
  7458. I wish they could've been here,
  7459. you know, 10 years ago.
  7460.  
  7461. 1605
  7462. 01:18:27,458 --> 01:18:30,708
  7463. I think it would've saved a lot
  7464. of heartache for a lot of people.
  7465.  
  7466. 1606
  7467. 01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:32,165
  7468. Um,
  7469.  
  7470. 1607
  7471. 01:18:32,166 --> 01:18:34,666
  7472. yeah, I think it could've
  7473. saved some lives.
  7474.  
  7475. 1608
  7476. 01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:37,374
  7477. Seeing how many people are
  7478. out here supporting the cause is,
  7479.  
  7480. 1609
  7481. 01:18:37,375 --> 01:18:40,040
  7482. it's like a hope for
  7483. humanity kinda thing. Yeah.
  7484.  
  7485. 1610
  7486. 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
  7487. Hey.
  7488.  
  7489. 1611
  7490. 01:19:18,583 --> 01:19:20,916
  7491. Yes! This is incredible!
  7492.  
  7493. 1612
  7494. 01:19:20,917 --> 01:19:22,916
  7495. This is the night that, uh,
  7496.  
  7497. 1613
  7498. 01:19:22,917 --> 01:19:24,582
  7499. I've been looking forward
  7500. to for so long.
  7501.  
  7502. 1614
  7503. 01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:27,332
  7504. This is the most important
  7505. stage I've ever been on.
  7506.  
  7507. 1615
  7508. 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,874
  7509. Some people walked in tonight
  7510.  
  7511. 1616
  7512. 01:19:32,875 --> 01:19:35,374
  7513. feeling a little out of
  7514. their comfort zones.
  7515.  
  7516. 1617
  7517. 01:19:35,375 --> 01:19:37,999
  7518. Feeling like,
  7519. are people gonna judge me?
  7520.  
  7521. 1618
  7522. 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,457
  7523. But guess what?
  7524.  
  7525. 1619
  7526. 01:19:39,458 --> 01:19:41,082
  7527. You came still.
  7528.  
  7529. 1620
  7530. 01:19:41,083 --> 01:19:42,666
  7531. I applaud you for that.
  7532.  
  7533. 1621
  7534. 01:19:42,667 --> 01:19:46,749
  7535. This speaks to the courage, to
  7536. the love of the people of Utah
  7537.  
  7538. 1622
  7539. 01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:49,290
  7540. that I have known for years.
  7541.  
  7542. 1623
  7543. 01:19:49,291 --> 01:19:52,499
  7544. And to see this,
  7545. for our LGBTQ youth,
  7546.  
  7547. 1624
  7548. 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,207
  7549. I know speaks volumes to them,
  7550.  
  7551. 1625
  7552. 01:19:54,208 --> 01:19:57,666
  7553. so please give a round of applause,
  7554. first and foremost, to yourself.
  7555.  
  7556. 1626
  7557. 01:20:00,792 --> 01:20:02,207
  7558. I got to say that
  7559. that means so much
  7560.  
  7561. 1627
  7562. 01:20:02,208 --> 01:20:05,791
  7563. to me and to the people
  7564. who have put this together.
  7565.  
  7566. 1628
  7567. 01:20:05,792 --> 01:20:08,582
  7568. We've worked tirelessly
  7569. and hard to be able to make
  7570.  
  7571. 1629
  7572. 01:20:08,583 --> 01:20:11,207
  7573. this a place for everybody.
  7574. I hope that you know that.
  7575.  
  7576. 1630
  7577. 01:20:11,208 --> 01:20:12,999
  7578. There's no judgment
  7579. cast on anybody.
  7580.  
  7581. 1631
  7582. 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,040
  7583. There is a place for everybody
  7584. here at this table.
  7585.  
  7586. 1632
  7587. 01:20:15,041 --> 01:20:18,249
  7588. We can all agree on one thing,
  7589. and that's in love,
  7590.  
  7591. 1633
  7592. 01:20:18,250 --> 01:20:20,874
  7593. absolute, pure, complete love.
  7594.  
  7595. 1634
  7596. 01:20:23,917 --> 01:20:27,541
  7597. I wanna introduce you to the
  7598. person who has me here today.
  7599.  
  7600. 1635
  7601. 01:20:27,542 --> 01:20:30,582
  7602. My everything. I am nothing
  7603. without this individual.
  7604.  
  7605. 1636
  7606. 01:20:30,583 --> 01:20:33,624
  7607. She has shaped my life, opened
  7608. my mind and my heart. Oh geez.
  7609.  
  7610. 1637
  7611. 01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:35,874
  7612. And she's also the greatest
  7613. artist in the whole world.
  7614.  
  7615. 1638
  7616. 01:20:35,875 --> 01:20:37,457
  7617. I'm not biased.
  7618. That's just the way it is.
  7619.  
  7620. 1639
  7621. 01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,833
  7622. It's my wife, Aja Volkman.
  7623.  
  7624. 1640
  7625. 01:20:39,834 --> 01:20:40,958
  7626. Come on out.
  7627.  
  7628. 1641
  7629. 01:20:58,834 --> 01:21:01,542
  7630. I can't talk, so I'm
  7631. just gonna play.
  7632.  
  7633. 1642
  7634. 01:21:07,125 --> 01:21:10,833
  7635. ♪ Breathe in deep ♪
  7636.  
  7637. 1643
  7638. 01:21:10,834 --> 01:21:13,374
  7639. ♪ This life ain't gonna be ♪
  7640.  
  7641. 1644
  7642. 01:21:13,375 --> 01:21:15,791
  7643. ♪ Ea-ea-easy ♪
  7644.  
  7645. 1645
  7646. 01:21:15,792 --> 01:21:20,582
  7647. ♪ Nobody said it'd be ♪
  7648.  
  7649. 1646
  7650. 01:21:20,583 --> 01:21:22,290
  7651. ♪ So very ♪
  7652.  
  7653. 1647
  7654. 01:21:22,291 --> 01:21:25,458
  7655. ♪ Hard ♪
  7656.  
  7657. 1648
  7658. 01:21:30,208 --> 01:21:34,624
  7659. ♪ Don't lose faith ♪
  7660.  
  7661. 1649
  7662. 01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:38,290
  7663. I was a seven-year-old,
  7664. eight-year-old Mormon boy.
  7665.  
  7666. 1650
  7667. 01:21:38,291 --> 01:21:42,457
  7668. I was so afraid that I might
  7669. be gay because if I was,
  7670.  
  7671. 1651
  7672. 01:21:42,458 --> 01:21:45,332
  7673. it would mean that I would lose
  7674. my parents, my family,
  7675.  
  7676. 1652
  7677. 01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:47,874
  7678. the faith community
  7679. that I love so much,
  7680.  
  7681. 1653
  7682. 01:21:47,875 --> 01:21:50,082
  7683. and if that seven-year-old boy
  7684.  
  7685. 1654
  7686. 01:21:50,083 --> 01:21:52,624
  7687. could have flashed forward
  7688. and seen tonight,
  7689.  
  7690. 1655
  7691. 01:21:52,625 --> 01:21:56,916
  7692. with 20,000 Mormons
  7693. here celebrating us,
  7694.  
  7695. 1656
  7696. 01:21:56,917 --> 01:21:59,165
  7697. I would have had more
  7698. hope for the future.
  7699.  
  7700. 1657
  7701. 01:21:59,166 --> 01:22:03,541
  7702. And I hope that that the seven and
  7703. eight-year-old queer kids out there
  7704.  
  7705. 1658
  7706. 01:22:03,542 --> 01:22:06,124
  7707. will feel hope for
  7708. their future, as well.
  7709.  
  7710. 1659
  7711. 01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:08,708
  7712. ♪ I need some more time ♪
  7713.  
  7714. 1660
  7715. 01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:11,165
  7716. ♪ A couple last tears ♪
  7717.  
  7718. 1661
  7719. 01:22:11,166 --> 01:22:12,791
  7720. ♪ Few more days ♪
  7721.  
  7722. 1662
  7723. 01:22:12,792 --> 01:22:15,834
  7724. ♪ Before I disappear ♪
  7725.  
  7726. 1663
  7727. 01:22:17,458 --> 01:22:18,499
  7728. Thank you.
  7729.  
  7730. 1664
  7731. 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,709
  7732. Thanks for coming.
  7733.  
  7734. 1665
  7735. 01:22:39,208 --> 01:22:43,874
  7736. Give a LoveLoud Fest welcome
  7737. to Savannah and her mother Heather!
  7738.  
  7739. 1666
  7740. 01:22:49,709 --> 01:22:50,709
  7741. Hi!
  7742.  
  7743. 1667
  7744. 01:22:55,458 --> 01:22:57,916
  7745. I was invited here
  7746. to share my truth.
  7747.  
  7748. 1668
  7749. 01:22:57,917 --> 01:23:01,582
  7750. Thanks to you for giving me
  7751. the space to speak today.
  7752.  
  7753. 1669
  7754. 01:23:01,583 --> 01:23:04,040
  7755. I believe I was made
  7756. the way I am,
  7757.  
  7758. 1670
  7759. 01:23:04,041 --> 01:23:07,082
  7760. all parts of me,
  7761. by my heavenly parents.
  7762.  
  7763. 1671
  7764. 01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:10,124
  7765. They did not mess up
  7766. when they gave me brown eyes
  7767.  
  7768. 1672
  7769. 01:23:10,125 --> 01:23:11,541
  7770. or when I was born bald.
  7771.  
  7772. 1673
  7773. 01:23:11,542 --> 01:23:14,124
  7774. They did not mess up
  7775. when they gave me freckles
  7776.  
  7777. 1674
  7778. 01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:16,165
  7779. or when I was made to be gay.
  7780.  
  7781. 1675
  7782. 01:23:16,166 --> 01:23:19,374
  7783. I want to love myself
  7784. and not feel shame.
  7785.  
  7786. 1676
  7787. 01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:40,749
  7788. And I know my heavenly parents
  7789. love and accept me.
  7790.  
  7791. 1677
  7792. 01:23:40,750 --> 01:23:42,416
  7793. Thank you.
  7794.  
  7795. 1678
  7796. 01:23:58,917 --> 01:24:02,165
  7797. It's quite a privilege to
  7798. be able to share your voice.
  7799.  
  7800. 1679
  7801. 01:24:02,166 --> 01:24:04,416
  7802. 15 years ago,
  7803. I was a student at BYU,
  7804.  
  7805. 1680
  7806. 01:24:04,417 --> 01:24:06,582
  7807. and I was coming out,
  7808. and I was suicidal.
  7809.  
  7810. 1681
  7811. 01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:10,374
  7812. And I'm here, and I just got this hug
  7813. from this little girl who stood up.
  7814.  
  7815. 1682
  7816. 01:24:10,375 --> 01:24:14,332
  7817. She's 13, and she just told
  7818. everybody that God loves her
  7819.  
  7820. 1683
  7821. 01:24:14,333 --> 01:24:15,749
  7822. because He made her. I mean,
  7823.  
  7824. 1684
  7825. 01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:20,457
  7826. it took me until I was almost 30
  7827. to have that in my brain to say,
  7828.  
  7829. 1685
  7830. 01:24:20,458 --> 01:24:23,249
  7831. I don't have to be better
  7832. or try to be better.
  7833.  
  7834. 1686
  7835. 01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,791
  7836. God made me exactly who I am.
  7837. I'm the best I can be.
  7838.  
  7839. 1687
  7840. 01:24:26,792 --> 01:24:29,749
  7841. I'm exactly, exactly
  7842. what He said.
  7843.  
  7844. 1688
  7845. 01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:30,874
  7846. I made you.
  7847.  
  7848. 1689
  7849. 01:24:30,875 --> 01:24:33,582
  7850. So, it's just been
  7851. the most amazing thing.
  7852.  
  7853. 1690
  7854. 01:24:33,583 --> 01:24:35,541
  7855. I feel like I'm in
  7856. a dream right now.
  7857.  
  7858. 1691
  7859. 01:24:51,834 --> 01:24:53,583
  7860. It feels like Mormon Woodstock.
  7861.  
  7862. 1692
  7863. 01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:55,874
  7864. That's how it feels.
  7865.  
  7866. 1693
  7867. 01:24:55,875 --> 01:24:59,416
  7868. It feels like, uh, it feels
  7869. like a historic moment, really.
  7870.  
  7871. 1694
  7872. 01:24:59,417 --> 01:25:03,040
  7873. It feels like, uh, we've, we've
  7874. fought so hard for so long,
  7875.  
  7876. 1695
  7877. 01:25:03,041 --> 01:25:06,499
  7878. and finally, uh, we're able
  7879. to do something significant.
  7880.  
  7881. 1696
  7882. 01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:07,750
  7883. We've reached critical mass.
  7884.  
  7885. 1697
  7886. 01:25:08,667 --> 01:25:10,666
  7887. A scripture I cherish says,
  7888.  
  7889. 1698
  7890. 01:25:10,667 --> 01:25:14,165
  7891. of God, that He inviteth
  7892. all to come unto Him
  7893.  
  7894. 1699
  7895. 01:25:14,166 --> 01:25:15,833
  7896. and partake of His goodness.
  7897.  
  7898. 1700
  7899. 01:25:15,834 --> 01:25:18,999
  7900. And all are alike unto Him.
  7901.  
  7902. 1701
  7903. 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,040
  7904. May this be a new beginning
  7905. for all of us that
  7906.  
  7907. 1702
  7908. 01:25:22,041 --> 01:25:24,332
  7909. this community may
  7910. hereafter be known
  7911.  
  7912. 1703
  7913. 01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:27,374
  7914. as a place of love for all.
  7915.  
  7916. 1704
  7917. 01:25:36,417 --> 01:25:39,249
  7918. The church did, um, endorse
  7919. this, right? Yeah, that was great.
  7920.  
  7921. 1705
  7922. 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:42,582
  7923. But now, for me, I want them to put
  7924. their money where their mouth is.
  7925.  
  7926. 1706
  7927. 01:25:42,583 --> 01:25:46,165
  7928. If they're gonna say,
  7929. we love all of our LGBT people,
  7930.  
  7931. 1707
  7932. 01:25:46,166 --> 01:25:47,708
  7933. then let's get rid of
  7934. that policy,
  7935.  
  7936. 1708
  7937. 01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:49,916
  7938. and let's bring them
  7939. into full fellowship.
  7940.  
  7941. 1709
  7942. 01:25:49,917 --> 01:25:53,082
  7943. I mean, for me, personally,
  7944. nothing less will do.
  7945.  
  7946. 1710
  7947. 01:25:53,083 --> 01:25:55,874
  7948. Yeah. Because you can say,
  7949. I love you, all you want,
  7950.  
  7951. 1711
  7952. 01:25:55,875 --> 01:25:57,541
  7953. but until you act on that
  7954.  
  7955. 1712
  7956. 01:25:57,542 --> 01:26:00,582
  7957. in a way that feels
  7958. inclusive and complete,
  7959.  
  7960. 1713
  7961. 01:26:00,583 --> 01:26:04,624
  7962. then it's, it's a no-go.
  7963.  
  7964. 1714
  7965. 01:26:04,625 --> 01:26:07,124
  7966. I totally get where people
  7967. are coming from where they say,
  7968.  
  7969. 1715
  7970. 01:26:07,125 --> 01:26:10,916
  7971. like, it's a big step. It's
  7972. historic that they're approving
  7973.  
  7974. 1716
  7975. 01:26:10,917 --> 01:26:15,582
  7976. of anything, uh, LGBT related,
  7977. but I don't know.
  7978.  
  7979. 1717
  7980. 01:26:15,583 --> 01:26:19,666
  7981. I'm a little salty because
  7982. there's still a policy intact,
  7983.  
  7984. 1718
  7985. 01:26:19,667 --> 01:26:21,499
  7986. and it doesn't take away
  7987. from everyone that,
  7988.  
  7989. 1719
  7990. 01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:22,874
  7991. the pain that I went through.
  7992.  
  7993. 1720
  7994. 01:26:22,875 --> 01:26:24,207
  7995. Like,
  7996.  
  7997. 1721
  7998. 01:26:24,208 --> 01:26:28,666
  7999. that policy caused me to completely
  8000. go through a faith crisis.
  8001.  
  8002. 1722
  8003. 01:26:28,667 --> 01:26:32,082
  8004. I've, you know, had suicidality
  8005. this last year.
  8006.  
  8007. 1723
  8008. 01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:35,082
  8009. Like, I don't know where
  8010. I fit in all the time,
  8011.  
  8012. 1724
  8013. 01:26:35,083 --> 01:26:37,624
  8014. and that's because of them.
  8015.  
  8016. 1725
  8017. 01:26:37,625 --> 01:26:40,582
  8018. It's a tiny step
  8019. with the church.
  8020.  
  8021. 1726
  8022. 01:26:40,583 --> 01:26:42,625
  8023. It's a huge step for this area.
  8024.  
  8025. 1727
  8026. 01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:47,416
  8027. I'm the mother of
  8028. a 17-year-old gay son
  8029.  
  8030. 1728
  8031. 01:26:47,417 --> 01:26:50,249
  8032. that we lost to suicide
  8033. a year ago.
  8034.  
  8035. 1729
  8036. 01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:54,416
  8037. We work hard to spread the
  8038. message of unconditional love
  8039.  
  8040. 1730
  8041. 01:26:54,417 --> 01:26:58,166
  8042. for all of God's children,
  8043. so heartbreaking stories...
  8044.  
  8045. 1731
  8046. 01:26:59,959 --> 01:27:02,749
  8047. like mine won't happen again.
  8048.  
  8049. 1732
  8050. 01:27:05,291 --> 01:27:07,958
  8051. I'm absolutely just blown away.
  8052.  
  8053. 1733
  8054. 01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:10,708
  8055. This is a great message to
  8056. parents to say, you know what?
  8057.  
  8058. 1734
  8059. 01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:13,833
  8060. It is okay to love
  8061. your gay kids.
  8062.  
  8063. 1735
  8064. 01:27:13,834 --> 01:27:16,834
  8065. And I think the thing is kinda
  8066. hitting me the most is, uh...
  8067.  
  8068. 1736
  8069. 01:27:29,667 --> 01:27:31,625
  8070. I know Stockton is really proud.
  8071.  
  8072. 1737
  8073. 01:27:34,959 --> 01:27:36,375
  8074. He's really proud.
  8075.  
  8076. 1738
  8077. 01:27:38,125 --> 01:27:39,457
  8078. Yeah.
  8079.  
  8080. 1739
  8081. 01:27:39,458 --> 01:27:41,833
  8082. He would be dancing.
  8083. He's up there just glowing.
  8084.  
  8085. 1740
  8086. 01:27:42,875 --> 01:27:45,666
  8087. Probably... dancing
  8088. with no clothes on.
  8089.  
  8090. 1741
  8091. 01:27:46,917 --> 01:27:47,874
  8092. That's the truth!
  8093.  
  8094. 1742
  8095. 01:27:47,875 --> 01:27:49,874
  8096. I was gonna say it, but he did.
  8097.  
  8098. 1743
  8099. 01:27:49,875 --> 01:27:52,000
  8100. He's lovin' this.
  8101.  
  8102. 1744
  8103. 01:27:55,208 --> 01:27:56,666
  8104. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  8105.  
  8106. 1745
  8107. 01:27:56,667 --> 01:27:58,499
  8108. ♪ I want some more ♪
  8109.  
  8110. 1746
  8111. 01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:00,125
  8112. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  8113.  
  8114. 1747
  8115. 01:28:03,208 --> 01:28:05,791
  8116. ♪ What are you Waitin' for? ♪
  8117.  
  8118. 1748
  8119. 01:28:05,792 --> 01:28:08,999
  8120. ♪ Say goodbye to my heart ♪
  8121.  
  8122. 1749
  8123. 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,958
  8124. ♪ Tonight ♪
  8125.  
  8126. 1750
  8127. 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,624
  8128. You have to know
  8129. how much it means
  8130.  
  8131. 1751
  8132. 01:28:19,625 --> 01:28:23,082
  8133. to me personally, in my heart,
  8134.  
  8135. 1752
  8136. 01:28:23,083 --> 01:28:25,416
  8137. to play at this event
  8138.  
  8139. 1753
  8140. 01:28:25,417 --> 01:28:27,082
  8141. with my band, Neon Trees,
  8142.  
  8143. 1754
  8144. 01:28:27,083 --> 01:28:29,499
  8145. on this stage
  8146. in front of this crowd.
  8147.  
  8148. 1755
  8149. 01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:43,082
  8150. Being an openly
  8151. gay man performing
  8152.  
  8153. 1756
  8154. 01:28:43,083 --> 01:28:45,624
  8155. with my band up here
  8156. should speak volumes.
  8157.  
  8158. 1757
  8159. 01:28:45,625 --> 01:28:49,040
  8160. I am happy. I'm proud. I'm open.
  8161.  
  8162. 1758
  8163. 01:28:49,041 --> 01:28:51,582
  8164. I have friends and family
  8165. that love me,
  8166.  
  8167. 1759
  8168. 01:28:51,583 --> 01:28:52,749
  8169. and you will, too.
  8170.  
  8171. 1760
  8172. 01:28:54,041 --> 01:28:56,208
  8173. Thank you so much,
  8174. from the bottom of my heart.
  8175.  
  8176. 1761
  8177. 01:28:57,917 --> 01:29:00,374
  8178. ♪ It started with a ♪
  8179.  
  8180. 1762
  8181. 01:29:00,375 --> 01:29:04,208
  8182. ♪ Whisper ♪
  8183.  
  8184. 1763
  8185. 01:29:05,875 --> 01:29:08,749
  8186. ♪ And that was when I ♪
  8187.  
  8188. 1764
  8189. 01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:13,040
  8190. ♪ Kissed her ♪
  8191.  
  8192. 1765
  8193. 01:29:13,041 --> 01:29:15,207
  8194. I mean, it was a her,
  8195. at the time.
  8196.  
  8197. 1766
  8198. 01:29:17,542 --> 01:29:19,249
  8199. And then I found out...
  8200.  
  8201. 1767
  8202. 01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:25,125
  8203. ♪ Everybody talks ♪
  8204.  
  8205. 1768
  8206. 01:29:26,417 --> 01:29:29,708
  8207. ♪ It started with a whisper ♪
  8208.  
  8209. 1769
  8210. 01:29:29,709 --> 01:29:32,582
  8211. ♪ And that was when
  8212. I kissed her ♪
  8213.  
  8214. 1770
  8215. 01:29:32,583 --> 01:29:35,791
  8216. ♪ And then she made
  8217. my lips hurt ♪
  8218.  
  8219. 1771
  8220. 01:29:35,792 --> 01:29:39,165
  8221. ♪ I can hear the chitchat ♪
  8222.  
  8223. 1772
  8224. 01:29:39,166 --> 01:29:41,833
  8225. ♪ Take me to your love shack ♪
  8226.  
  8227. 1773
  8228. 01:29:41,834 --> 01:29:45,040
  8229. ♪ Mamas always got to backtrack ♪
  8230.  
  8231. 1774
  8232. 01:29:45,041 --> 01:29:48,958
  8233. ♪ When everybody talks back ♪
  8234.  
  8235. 1775
  8236. 01:29:48,959 --> 01:29:51,958
  8237. ♪ Everybody talks,
  8238. everybody talks ♪
  8239.  
  8240. 1776
  8241. 01:29:51,959 --> 01:29:55,374
  8242. ♪ Everybody
  8243. talks, everybody talks ♪
  8244.  
  8245. 1777
  8246. 01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:58,125
  8247. ♪ Everybody talks,
  8248. everybody talks ♪
  8249.  
  8250. 1778
  8251. 01:29:59,125 --> 01:30:01,165
  8252. ♪ Back ♪
  8253.  
  8254. 1779
  8255. 01:30:01,166 --> 01:30:02,207
  8256. Ooh!
  8257.  
  8258. 1780
  8259. 01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:05,291
  8260. LoveLoud, good night!
  8261.  
  8262. 1781
  8263. 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:22,666
  8264. Are you guys
  8265. ready for Imagine Dragons?
  8266.  
  8267. 1782
  8268. 01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:40,791
  8269. ♪ First things first ♪
  8270.  
  8271. 1783
  8272. 01:30:40,792 --> 01:30:43,624
  8273. ♪ I'ma say all the words
  8274. inside my head ♪
  8275.  
  8276. 1784
  8277. 01:30:43,625 --> 01:30:47,666
  8278. ♪ I'm fired up and tired of
  8279. the way that things have been ♪
  8280.  
  8281. 1785
  8282. 01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:49,290
  8283. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  8284.  
  8285. 1786
  8286. 01:30:49,291 --> 01:30:51,541
  8287. ♪ Yeah, the way that
  8288. things have been ♪
  8289.  
  8290. 1787
  8291. 01:30:51,542 --> 01:30:54,624
  8292. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  8293.  
  8294. 1788
  8295. 01:30:54,625 --> 01:30:56,082
  8296. ♪ Second thing second ♪
  8297.  
  8298. 1789
  8299. 01:30:56,083 --> 01:30:58,958
  8300. ♪ Don't you tell me what you
  8301. think that I should be ♪
  8302.  
  8303. 1790
  8304. 01:30:58,959 --> 01:31:02,916
  8305. ♪ I'm the one at the sails,
  8306. I'm the master of my sea ♪
  8307.  
  8308. 1791
  8309. 01:31:02,917 --> 01:31:04,749
  8310. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  8311.  
  8312. 1792
  8313. 01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:06,791
  8314. ♪ Yeah, the master of my sea ♪
  8315.  
  8316. 1793
  8317. 01:31:06,792 --> 01:31:09,708
  8318. ♪ Oh, oh ♪
  8319.  
  8320. 1794
  8321. 01:31:09,709 --> 01:31:12,999
  8322. ♪ But they never did, ever lived, ebbing
  8323. and flowing, inhibited, limited ♪
  8324.  
  8325. 1795
  8326. 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,374
  8327. ♪ Till it broke up
  8328. and it rained down ♪
  8329.  
  8330. 1796
  8331. 01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:18,874
  8332. ♪ It rained down, like ♪
  8333.  
  8334. 1797
  8335. 01:31:18,875 --> 01:31:19,958
  8336. ♪ Pain ♪
  8337.  
  8338. 1798
  8339. 01:31:19,959 --> 01:31:23,332
  8340. ♪ You made me a,
  8341. you made me a believer ♪
  8342.  
  8343. 1799
  8344. 01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:25,458
  8345. ♪ Believer ♪
  8346.  
  8347. 1800
  8348. 01:31:27,083 --> 01:31:30,332
  8349. ♪ You break me down,
  8350. you built me up, believer ♪
  8351.  
  8352. 1801
  8353. 01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:50,166
  8354. LoveLoud was everything
  8355. we could've hoped for and more.
  8356.  
  8357. 1802
  8358. 01:33:51,542 --> 01:33:52,874
  8359. It showed,
  8360.  
  8361. 1803
  8362. 01:33:52,875 --> 01:33:55,082
  8363. it's not just me, as a Mormon,
  8364.  
  8365. 1804
  8366. 01:33:55,083 --> 01:34:00,082
  8367. who is antsy for change.
  8368.  
  8369. 1805
  8370. 01:34:00,083 --> 01:34:03,666
  8371. The whole Mormon community
  8372. came out in droves to say,
  8373.  
  8374. 1806
  8375. 01:34:03,667 --> 01:34:08,082
  8376. this is a place, uh, within
  8377. the church that is broken.
  8378.  
  8379. 1807
  8380. 01:34:08,083 --> 01:34:09,958
  8381. How can we fix it?
  8382.  
  8383. 1808
  8384. 01:34:11,083 --> 01:34:13,916
  8385. Leading up to LoveLoud,
  8386. uh, the church
  8387.  
  8388. 1809
  8389. 01:34:13,917 --> 01:34:15,374
  8390. obviously, reached out to me,
  8391.  
  8392. 1810
  8393. 01:34:15,375 --> 01:34:18,416
  8394. and we have been having,
  8395. kind of, an open dialogue.
  8396.  
  8397. 1811
  8398. 01:34:18,417 --> 01:34:20,541
  8399. Coming out of LoveLoud,
  8400.  
  8401. 1812
  8402. 01:34:20,542 --> 01:34:22,165
  8403. everybody was feeling
  8404.  
  8405. 1813
  8406. 01:34:22,166 --> 01:34:24,124
  8407. positive momentum.
  8408.  
  8409. 1814
  8410. 01:34:24,125 --> 01:34:28,708
  8411. I had been extremely
  8412. excited for General Conference.
  8413.  
  8414. 1815
  8415. 01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:30,874
  8416. And general conference
  8417. happens twice a year.
  8418.  
  8419. 1816
  8420. 01:34:30,875 --> 01:34:34,082
  8421. It's where the apostles,
  8422. and the prophets speak,
  8423.  
  8424. 1817
  8425. 01:34:34,083 --> 01:34:37,708
  8426. uh, like on live television
  8427. to the world,
  8428.  
  8429. 1818
  8430. 01:34:37,709 --> 01:34:41,249
  8431. and to all the Mormons.
  8432. And I think a lot of Mormons,
  8433.  
  8434. 1819
  8435. 01:34:41,250 --> 01:34:47,541
  8436. myself, were waiting
  8437. to hear an apostle say,
  8438.  
  8439. 1820
  8440. 01:34:47,542 --> 01:34:50,833
  8441. now let's start to do
  8442. something to change this.
  8443.  
  8444. 1821
  8445. 01:34:50,834 --> 01:34:51,916
  8446. Members of
  8447.  
  8448. 1822
  8449. 01:34:51,917 --> 01:34:54,958
  8450. the Church of Jesus Christ
  8451. of Latter-day Saints
  8452.  
  8453. 1823
  8454. 01:34:54,959 --> 01:34:57,916
  8455. are blessed with unique doctrine
  8456.  
  8457. 1824
  8458. 01:34:57,917 --> 01:35:01,124
  8459. and different ways
  8460. of viewing the world.
  8461.  
  8462. 1825
  8463. 01:35:01,125 --> 01:35:04,958
  8464. We've witnessed a rapid
  8465. and increasing public acceptance
  8466.  
  8467. 1826
  8468. 01:35:04,959 --> 01:35:07,416
  8469. of cohabitation without marriage
  8470.  
  8471. 1827
  8472. 01:35:07,417 --> 01:35:09,082
  8473. and same-sex marriage.
  8474.  
  8475. 1828
  8476. 01:35:09,083 --> 01:35:11,249
  8477. Elder Oaks talked about
  8478. the Family Proclamation,
  8479.  
  8480. 1829
  8481. 01:35:11,250 --> 01:35:16,541
  8482. which is basically an old piece
  8483. that was put together
  8484.  
  8485. 1830
  8486. 01:35:16,542 --> 01:35:18,332
  8487. from the church that
  8488. was released about
  8489.  
  8490. 1831
  8491. 01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:20,207
  8492. marriage is between
  8493. a man and a woman,
  8494.  
  8495. 1832
  8496. 01:35:20,208 --> 01:35:24,207
  8497. and these are the things that
  8498. make up a good, healthy family.
  8499.  
  8500. 1833
  8501. 01:35:24,208 --> 01:35:27,165
  8502. The Family Proclamation
  8503. begins by declaring that
  8504.  
  8505. 1834
  8506. 01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:32,040
  8507. marriage between a man
  8508. and a woman is ordained of God,
  8509.  
  8510. 1835
  8511. 01:35:32,041 --> 01:35:35,916
  8512. and that the family is
  8513. central to the Creator's plan
  8514.  
  8515. 1836
  8516. 01:35:35,917 --> 01:35:40,124
  8517. for the eternal destiny
  8518. of his children.
  8519.  
  8520. 1837
  8521. 01:35:40,125 --> 01:35:44,791
  8522. It also affirms that gender is
  8523. an essential characteristic of
  8524.  
  8525. 1838
  8526. 01:35:44,792 --> 01:35:49,999
  8527. individual, premortal, mortal,
  8528. and eternal identity and purpose.
  8529.  
  8530. 1839
  8531. 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,666
  8532. The church basically just
  8533.  
  8534. 1840
  8535. 01:35:51,667 --> 01:35:56,290
  8536. doubled down on everything
  8537. they've been pounding into
  8538.  
  8539. 1841
  8540. 01:35:56,291 --> 01:36:00,874
  8541. my head, and Mormons' heads
  8542. for years, which is
  8543.  
  8544. 1842
  8545. 01:36:00,875 --> 01:36:04,708
  8546. to be gay, and act upon it,
  8547. is a sin.
  8548.  
  8549. 1843
  8550. 01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:06,999
  8551. Marriage is between
  8552. man and a woman.
  8553.  
  8554. 1844
  8555. 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,874
  8556. Popular culture, popular people
  8557. will try to tell you otherwise.
  8558.  
  8559. 1845
  8560. 01:36:11,875 --> 01:36:13,916
  8561. Every generation has its tests,
  8562.  
  8563. 1846
  8564. 01:36:13,917 --> 01:36:17,165
  8565. and its chance to stand
  8566. and prove itself.
  8567.  
  8568. 1847
  8569. 01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:19,666
  8570. I believe our attitude toward,
  8571.  
  8572. 1848
  8573. 01:36:19,667 --> 01:36:21,582
  8574. and use of
  8575. the Family Proclamation,
  8576.  
  8577. 1849
  8578. 01:36:21,583 --> 01:36:25,165
  8579. is one of those tests
  8580. for this generation.
  8581.  
  8582. 1850
  8583. 01:36:25,166 --> 01:36:30,208
  8584. I pray for all Latter-day Saints
  8585. to stand firm in that test.
  8586.  
  8587. 1851
  8588. 01:36:31,166 --> 01:36:34,250
  8589. In light of LoveLoud,
  8590.  
  8591. 1852
  8592. 01:36:35,667 --> 01:36:39,249
  8593. that, for me, was a dark day
  8594.  
  8595. 1853
  8596. 01:36:39,250 --> 01:36:40,874
  8597. to say the least.
  8598.  
  8599. 1854
  8600. 01:36:40,875 --> 01:36:42,917
  8601. It's a dark week, a dark month.
  8602.  
  8603. 1855
  8604. 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,374
  8605. With that being said,
  8606.  
  8607. 1856
  8608. 01:36:55,375 --> 01:36:58,040
  8609. if there's one thing my Mormon
  8610. values have taught me
  8611.  
  8612. 1857
  8613. 01:36:58,041 --> 01:36:59,124
  8614. since I was young...
  8615.  
  8616. 1858
  8617. 01:36:59,125 --> 01:37:00,416
  8618. ♪ First things first ♪
  8619.  
  8620. 1859
  8621. 01:37:00,417 --> 01:37:03,332
  8622. ♪ I'ma say all the words
  8623. inside my head ♪
  8624.  
  8625. 1860
  8626. 01:37:03,333 --> 01:37:07,541
  8627. ♪ I'm fired up and tired of
  8628. the way that things have been ♪
  8629.  
  8630. 1861
  8631. 01:37:07,542 --> 01:37:08,624
  8632. ♪ Oh... ♪
  8633.  
  8634. 1862
  8635. 01:37:08,625 --> 01:37:11,541
  8636. It's that no matter
  8637. what the world says
  8638.  
  8639. 1863
  8640. 01:37:11,542 --> 01:37:15,249
  8641. about who you are,
  8642. what you believe,
  8643.  
  8644. 1864
  8645. 01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:17,082
  8646. still do it, 100 percent.
  8647.  
  8648. 1865
  8649. 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,416
  8650. That spirit was the spirit that
  8651. carried me through my mission.
  8652.  
  8653. 1866
  8654. 01:37:21,417 --> 01:37:26,374
  8655. I felt like I was
  8656. bearing my truth,
  8657.  
  8658. 1867
  8659. 01:37:26,375 --> 01:37:29,207
  8660. regardless of what
  8661. anybody thought about me.
  8662.  
  8663. 1868
  8664. 01:37:29,208 --> 01:37:32,249
  8665. That's all because of Mormonism
  8666. and my parents,
  8667.  
  8668. 1869
  8669. 01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:36,124
  8670. and so they have all prepped me
  8671. for this moment now.
  8672.  
  8673. 1870
  8674. 01:37:36,125 --> 01:37:40,582
  8675. ♪ Pain, you made me a,
  8676. you made me a believer ♪
  8677.  
  8678. 1871
  8679. 01:37:40,583 --> 01:37:42,166
  8680. ♪ Believer ♪
  8681.  
  8682. 1872
  8683. 01:37:43,583 --> 01:37:48,249
  8684. ♪ Pain, you break me down,
  8685. you build me up, believer ♪
  8686.  
  8687. 1873
  8688. 01:37:48,250 --> 01:37:49,917
  8689. ♪ Believer ♪
  8690.  
  8691. 1874
  8692. 01:37:52,250 --> 01:37:55,416
  8693. A determined
  8694. Mormon is a scary thing.
  8695.  
  8696. 1875
  8697. 01:37:55,417 --> 01:37:56,999
  8698. I will tell you that.
  8699.  
  8700. 1876
  8701. 01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,999
  8702. Because they don't stop.
  8703.  
  8704. 1877
  8705. 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,749
  8706. I knocked 100 doors
  8707. to get into one door.
  8708.  
  8709. 1878
  8710. 01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:06,291
  8711. I knocked thousands of doors
  8712. on my mission.
  8713.  
  8714. 1879
  8715. 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:09,958
  8716. If there's one thing
  8717. I can guarantee,
  8718.  
  8719. 1880
  8720. 01:38:09,959 --> 01:38:14,124
  8721. it's that I will continue
  8722. to knock this door
  8723.  
  8724. 1881
  8725. 01:38:14,125 --> 01:38:15,791
  8726. until somebody answers.
  8727.  
  8728. 1882
  8729. 01:38:15,792 --> 01:38:19,040
  8730. ♪ My life, my love, my drive,
  8731. it came from ♪
  8732.  
  8733. 1883
  8734. 01:38:19,041 --> 01:38:20,082
  8735. ♪ Pain ♪
  8736.  
  8737. 1884
  8738. 01:38:20,083 --> 01:38:24,165
  8739. ♪ You made me a,
  8740. you made me a believer ♪
  8741.  
  8742. 1885
  8743. 01:38:24,166 --> 01:38:26,541
  8744. ♪ Believer ♪
  8745.  
  8746. 1886
  8747. 01:38:53,959 --> 01:38:56,749
  8748. ♪ Wake up every morning ♪
  8749.  
  8750. 1887
  8751. 01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:59,624
  8752. ♪ With a new resolve ♪
  8753.  
  8754. 1888
  8755. 01:38:59,625 --> 01:39:02,249
  8756. ♪ Two hands and one heart ♪
  8757.  
  8758. 1889
  8759. 01:39:02,250 --> 01:39:05,916
  8760. ♪ Let the world revolve ♪
  8761.  
  8762. 1890
  8763. 01:39:05,917 --> 01:39:08,999
  8764. Because of LoveLoud,
  8765. my dad felt like he had
  8766.  
  8767. 1891
  8768. 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,958
  8769. the permission to love
  8770. and accept me for who I am,
  8771.  
  8772. 1892
  8773. 01:39:11,959 --> 01:39:15,833
  8774. and LoveLoud gave us a bonding,
  8775.  
  8776. 1893
  8777. 01:39:15,834 --> 01:39:18,999
  8778. and that I am really
  8779. grateful for.
  8780.  
  8781. 1894
  8782. 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,499
  8783. It gave me the guts to talk
  8784. about my son's sexuality
  8785.  
  8786. 1895
  8787. 01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:24,457
  8788. in ways that I had never
  8789. been able to before.
  8790.  
  8791. 1896
  8792. 01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:26,833
  8793. I've had four people come out
  8794. to me since LoveLoud.
  8795.  
  8796. 1897
  8797. 01:39:26,834 --> 01:39:30,541
  8798. They said that LoveLoud gave them
  8799. the courage to live their truth.
  8800.  
  8801. 1898
  8802. 01:39:30,542 --> 01:39:34,833
  8803. LoveLoud gave me the opportunity
  8804. to tell my story,
  8805.  
  8806. 1899
  8807. 01:39:34,834 --> 01:39:39,207
  8808. and declare that I am worth it
  8809. in front of thousands of people.
  8810.  
  8811. 1900
  8812. 01:39:39,208 --> 01:39:42,332
  8813. LoveLoud gave my family
  8814. the chance to stand
  8815.  
  8816. 1901
  8817. 01:39:42,333 --> 01:39:45,457
  8818. shoulder to shoulder
  8819. with our transgender son.
  8820.  
  8821. 1902
  8822. 01:39:45,458 --> 01:39:48,958
  8823. And not only him, but with
  8824. neighbors and extended family,
  8825.  
  8826. 1903
  8827. 01:39:48,959 --> 01:39:53,541
  8828. who never would have ever
  8829. shown up for an LGBT event.
  8830.  
  8831. 1904
  8832. 01:39:53,542 --> 01:39:54,874
  8833. LoveLoud gave me hope,
  8834.  
  8835. 1905
  8836. 01:39:54,875 --> 01:39:57,916
  8837. and inspiration that
  8838. things can change.
  8839.  
  8840. 1906
  8841. 01:39:57,917 --> 01:40:01,290
  8842. That I, myself, can be a force
  8843. for good in my own community.
  8844.  
  8845. 1907
  8846. 01:40:01,291 --> 01:40:03,457
  8847. Looking at this crowd
  8848. of thousands of people,
  8849.  
  8850. 1908
  8851. 01:40:03,458 --> 01:40:06,332
  8852. I realize these are people
  8853. I don't have to be scared of.
  8854.  
  8855. 1909
  8856. 01:40:06,333 --> 01:40:07,582
  8857. There's a lot of support
  8858.  
  8859. 1910
  8860. 01:40:07,583 --> 01:40:10,916
  8861. in my community that
  8862. I didn't realize was there,
  8863.  
  8864. 1911
  8865. 01:40:10,917 --> 01:40:15,082
  8866. and it was honestly one of
  8867. the best days of my life.
  8868.  
  8869. 1912
  8870. 01:40:15,083 --> 01:40:16,082
  8871. When I was 13, 14,
  8872.  
  8873. 1913
  8874. 01:40:16,083 --> 01:40:19,916
  8875. I felt completely
  8876. isolated and silenced,
  8877.  
  8878. 1914
  8879. 01:40:19,917 --> 01:40:22,332
  8880. and it hasn't even
  8881. been that long,
  8882.  
  8883. 1915
  8884. 01:40:22,333 --> 01:40:24,500
  8885. and I just feel so hopeful
  8886.  
  8887. 1916
  8888. 01:40:26,125 --> 01:40:28,791
  8889. about the future, and that
  8890.  
  8891. 1917
  8892. 01:40:28,792 --> 01:40:31,583
  8893. things will just keep
  8894. getting better, and...
  8895.  
  8896. 1918
  8897. 01:40:33,291 --> 01:40:34,666
  8898. I hope it does.
  8899.  
  8900. 1919
  8901. 01:40:34,667 --> 01:40:37,958
  8902. ♪ I keep skipping stones ♪
  8903.  
  8904. 1920
  8905. 01:40:37,959 --> 01:40:40,082
  8906. ♪ Hoping for a change ♪
  8907.  
  8908. 1921
  8909. 01:40:40,083 --> 01:40:43,792
  8910. ♪ But, things just
  8911. stay the same ♪
  8912.  
  8913. 1922
  8914. 01:40:45,667 --> 01:40:49,207
  8915. ♪ I keep walking roads ♪
  8916.  
  8917. 1923
  8918. 01:40:49,208 --> 01:40:51,416
  8919. ♪ Looking for the home ♪
  8920.  
  8921. 1924
  8922. 01:40:51,417 --> 01:40:56,666
  8923. ♪ That I can call my own ♪
  8924.  
  8925. 1925
  8926. 01:40:56,667 --> 01:40:58,416
  8927. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8928.  
  8929. 1926
  8930. 01:40:58,417 --> 01:40:59,499
  8931. ♪ I'm ♪
  8932.  
  8933. 1927
  8934. 01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:01,290
  8935. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8936.  
  8937. 1928
  8938. 01:41:01,291 --> 01:41:02,290
  8939. ♪ I'm ♪
  8940.  
  8941. 1929
  8942. 01:41:02,291 --> 01:41:04,082
  8943. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8944.  
  8945. 1930
  8946. 01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:05,290
  8947. ♪ I'm ♪
  8948.  
  8949. 1931
  8950. 01:41:05,291 --> 01:41:06,917
  8951. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8952.  
  8953. 1932
  8954. 01:41:07,834 --> 01:41:09,666
  8955. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8956.  
  8957. 1933
  8958. 01:41:09,667 --> 01:41:10,666
  8959. ♪ I'm ♪
  8960.  
  8961. 1934
  8962. 01:41:10,667 --> 01:41:12,457
  8963. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8964.  
  8965. 1935
  8966. 01:41:12,458 --> 01:41:13,457
  8967. ♪ I'm ♪
  8968.  
  8969. 1936
  8970. 01:41:13,458 --> 01:41:15,082
  8971. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8972.  
  8973. 1937
  8974. 01:41:15,083 --> 01:41:16,290
  8975. ♪ I'm ♪
  8976.  
  8977. 1938
  8978. 01:41:16,291 --> 01:41:19,624
  8979. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  8980.  
  8981. 1939
  8982. 01:41:19,625 --> 01:41:23,332
  8983. Love is not a product
  8984. of reasonings and statistics.
  8985.  
  8986. 1940
  8987. 01:41:23,333 --> 01:41:25,124
  8988. It just comes,
  8989.  
  8990. 1941
  8991. 01:41:25,125 --> 01:41:26,582
  8992. and none knows whence.
  8993.  
  8994. 1942
  8995. 01:41:26,583 --> 01:41:28,375
  8996. It cannot explain itself.
  8997.  
  8998. 1943
  8999. 01:41:29,917 --> 01:41:31,499
  9000. Love is a madness.
  9001.  
  9002. 1944
  9003. 01:41:31,500 --> 01:41:33,583
  9004. If thwarted, it develops fast.
  9005.  
  9006. 1945
  9007. 01:41:35,166 --> 01:41:37,624
  9008. When you fish for love,
  9009.  
  9010. 1946
  9011. 01:41:37,625 --> 01:41:40,207
  9012. bait with your heart.
  9013. Not your brain.
  9014.  
  9015. 1947
  9016. 01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:44,958
  9017. ♪ I keep skipping stones ♪
  9018.  
  9019. 1948
  9020. 01:41:44,959 --> 01:41:47,040
  9021. ♪ Hoping for a change ♪
  9022.  
  9023. 1949
  9024. 01:41:47,041 --> 01:41:50,875
  9025. ♪ But, things just
  9026. stay the same ♪
  9027.  
  9028. 1950
  9029. 01:41:52,667 --> 01:41:56,249
  9030. ♪ I keep walking roads ♪
  9031.  
  9032. 1951
  9033. 01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:58,332
  9034. ♪ Looking for a home ♪
  9035.  
  9036. 1952
  9037. 01:41:58,333 --> 01:42:03,666
  9038. ♪ That I can call my own ♪
  9039.  
  9040. 1953
  9041. 01:42:03,667 --> 01:42:05,374
  9042. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9043.  
  9044. 1954
  9045. 01:42:05,375 --> 01:42:06,416
  9046. ♪ I'm ♪
  9047.  
  9048. 1955
  9049. 01:42:06,417 --> 01:42:08,124
  9050. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9051.  
  9052. 1956
  9053. 01:42:08,125 --> 01:42:09,207
  9054. ♪ I'm ♪
  9055.  
  9056. 1957
  9057. 01:42:09,208 --> 01:42:10,833
  9058. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9059.  
  9060. 1958
  9061. 01:42:10,834 --> 01:42:12,124
  9062. ♪ I'm ♪
  9063.  
  9064. 1959
  9065. 01:42:12,125 --> 01:42:13,959
  9066. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9067.  
  9068. 1960
  9069. 01:42:14,875 --> 01:42:16,416
  9070. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9071.  
  9072. 1961
  9073. 01:42:16,417 --> 01:42:17,624
  9074. ♪ I'm ♪
  9075.  
  9076. 1962
  9077. 01:42:17,625 --> 01:42:19,374
  9078. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9079.  
  9080. 1963
  9081. 01:42:19,375 --> 01:42:20,457
  9082. ♪ I'm ♪
  9083.  
  9084. 1964
  9085. 01:42:20,458 --> 01:42:22,165
  9086. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
  9087.  
  9088. 1965
  9089. 01:42:22,166 --> 01:42:23,124
  9090. ♪ I'm ♪
  9091.  
  9092. 1966
  9093. 01:42:23,125 --> 01:42:25,834
  9094. ♪ Skipping stones ♪
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