Anttu - 27.04.2018
You seem more of a leftie so
CNN I guess is ok?
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics/trump-abe-meeting-north-korea-trade/index.html
CNN
Trump says 5 locations are being considered for Kim Jong Un meeting
President Donald Trump told reporters on Tuesday that five locations are being considered for his widely anticipated meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
No.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
Or is this fake news
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I prefer the APSR
which is numerically based and open to challenges from other professionals in the field
Anttu - 27.04.2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/09/donald-trump-north-korea-meeting-delay/499329002/
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Sorry, news sources like USA Today and CNN, literally are not even scratching the surface about what I'm taking about
Anttu - 27.04.2018
You are misunderstanding me if you think that he is full effect of this
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I don't misunderstand
Anttu - 27.04.2018
ok good
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I'm saying he has had an almost 0 affect
You're saying he had some
Anttu - 27.04.2018
I don't believe that
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I disagree
Anttu - 27.04.2018
yes
why
there has been systematic (and stupid) communication with NK and SK with DT/potus
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Trump currently is so weak on the global stage that nothing he does or says can be taken seriously. Only through the random chance that he might actually FUCK you up, is he somewhat effective at policy.
Oh I agree
And it's NK taking advantage of such a stupid man and no Real US foreign policy anymore
Anttu - 27.04.2018
why you are sayin ghe is weak
because m5m says he is seen as a joke or
just curious
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
When it's on the whims of one man who rolls out of bed every morning and changes his mind is NOT a way to lead global policy
Trump IS a joke. An unfunny one.
Germany is leading the free world now-- hahahahah its funny to even say that.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i find him an amusing joke
one president doesnt change leadership of the world
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Believe me, living here and having to experience his policies of bleached sand is not as funny
Anttu - 27.04.2018
germany is not leading hte free world atm
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
You are surely mistaken
Anttu - 27.04.2018
or our terms of free world are conflicted
germany is more in bed with russia now
because of nodstream
nordstream
than with free world
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Oh I'm sure.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
or are you saying russia is part of the free world
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Oil and gas prices will do that to a country reliant on them
Hahah FUCK no
But let me say this, Europe isn't looking to the US to lead
And Germany is filling up the vacuum
Anttu - 27.04.2018
france and UK used USA with syria situation
and that is the biggest part of "free world world politics" of 2018
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Anything different about this and the Iraq war?
Nope
Just different geopolitical location
Same fight over pipelines
Same bullshit about a terrorist state
Anttu - 27.04.2018
yeah, but that still needs leadership?
or what are you talking about when you mean free world leadership being under germany
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
There you go
One could argue it's also France trying to lead with Macron
But eh...
Anttu - 27.04.2018
that would be a bs argument but yes could
i am still (as a FULLY OBJECTIVE NON-OPINIONATED PERSON) thinking DT/potus had an effect on the progress
it makes me a bit sad, because i wanted to see him fail
but o well
i understand how you feel about this
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I don't really care if he fails
But like his presidency
I feel like this is a trap
Why is NK scrambling if they have nukes?
China must have wanted to abandon them if Trump decided to really fight them on it.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
naturally
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Nvm the trade "deals" going on now
Anttu - 27.04.2018
but china has counted chips together why to abandon them
if so
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I mean-- they are already in a trade war with us
A real war would cripple the Chinese economy
As well as a flood of immigrants coming into their country
It strategically was nothing that trump did, it's the culmination of 50 years of merciless US and SK policy
ISOLATIONISM WORKS
Anttu - 27.04.2018
oh yeah just happened to happen on trump's mid term
i dont believe in chance
specially when trump has been this active regarding nk
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Trump active on NK?
Boi you trolling
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i dont troll regarding this
yes he was active
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
He's about as active on NK as he is on civil rights
Anttu - 27.04.2018
what the heck
you live in a bubble
:smile:
have to
even i seen million things regarding him and koreas
in the past year
and i live in finland
but this is going exactly how i assumed it would
most would deny 100% anything trump did regarding this
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Sorry dude, that's not how I see it-- reversing 50 years of policy on whims and publicly flipping on your State department is not a strategy nor is it something that would have an affect on negotiations
Because this is a SK lead effort
Not US
Anttu - 27.04.2018
even if SK lead it
US is always prat when it comes to koeras
koreas
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
US has done nothing but saber rattle
What real change has there been in policy other than trump agreeing to a meeting?
0
Anttu - 27.04.2018
saber rattling is a lot
you do know this
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Not with NK
Anttu - 27.04.2018
actually i think its most that yo ucould do
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
doing that for 50 years
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i am not saying htis was done by DT
but osmebody in their administration knew what to do regarding this
and did
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I'm saying the most erratic of saber rattling was some by DT
sorry, but with how many people are moving in and out of this administration, in high profile positions, i.e.: Rex tillerson, there is hardly much the US could have done in terms of policy
Literally this is SK realizing, "holy shit this might actually boil into a himanitarian catastrophe, better take the lead here"
Because there IS no leadership
Anttu - 27.04.2018
there is actaully no
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Leadership has to be done with consistency
Anttu - 27.04.2018
proof regarding that anywher
that i can find at the moment
that i am trying to find
so it has to be your own assumptions based on feeling or what
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Excuse me?
Anttu - 27.04.2018
all sources claim that usa has been with sk/nk talks
i am trying to google :smile:
information where sk dumped usa in this
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
take a broader perspective and stop looking at the internet for your answers here.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
what is your broader perspective?
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
What would I know about US foreign politics and shit
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i need sources, not feelings
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I only worked for the government
Anttu - 27.04.2018
exactly
a lot less than thousand sources online
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
And I only have a degree in politics
And only specialized in Asia/ us relations
But go on
Anttu - 27.04.2018
you know that matters little in an argument
arguments need proof
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Tell me more about my countries policy
:3
Anttu - 27.04.2018
any kind of proof
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I'm not going to source you tons of PSR papers
You won't even read them
Too dense, too much econometrics
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i will
i dont mind reading
link me anything that proves that and ill consider it an option
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Proves?
Anttu - 27.04.2018
prooves
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I'm not going to waste my time
Anttu - 27.04.2018
im not english
what
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Seriously
I'm not going to waste my time. I have a class to teach now
Anttu - 27.04.2018
so the argument is
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
See ya
Anttu - 27.04.2018
1) believe rem cos he has a degree and worked for goverment (i dont even know as what)
2) online information is fraud
3) wikipedia is fraud
4) see ya
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Actually, the reason is I really don't have the time
You want me to prove things
But you reference Cnn
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i found 10 different sources
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
As if you can play a double standard and that's fine. Which is it? CNN is fake news or it's not.
Wikipedia is not good for sources
Sorry, you're not convincing me otherwise
Enough.
Don't care.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
that is why i asked you to tell me what you accept as a source
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I told you.
Peer reviewed PSR papers with numbers and data.
Something I can look at numbers on.
lol. I've had enough trolling for a morning. Time for work.
Anttu - 27.04.2018
i am not trolling :))
im astonished how stubborn you are, but sure, ill try to find psr paper with numbers and data!
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Good luck with that dude.
Half of those papers are tied up behind a paywall
But sure, go ahead
:3
Anttu - 27.04.2018
so you are saying only proof you can get to convince you that DT had anything to do with SK/NK peace is behind paid services
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
I'm telling you, that half of these papers are behind a paywall
Not my fault it is
Not my fault you likely can't access it
Anttu - 27.04.2018
you can?
TheOneTornApart - 27.04.2018
Yeah, I could, but I'm not going to.
I'm not doing your legwork.