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  1. == SuSEno [~SuSEno@36.73.28.117] has joined ##mtgox-talk
  2. [08:36] <SuSEno> Shaded: How serious is Sunlot Holdings to rebuild Mt Gox ?
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  5. [08:39] <Shaded> Hey SuSEno!
  6. [08:40] <Shaded> SuSEno: I used to work for Coinabul. I left when they got shitty.
  7. [08:40] <Shaded> Sunlot is currently assembling a team to create a new exchange. Bidding on Mt. Gox is a way to create goodwill in the community and help give back to Bitcoin.
  8. [08:41] <Shaded> The plan is as follows: 1: Stop liquidation.
  9. [08:41] <Shaded> 2: Audit and give everyone their money back
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  11. [08:41] <Shaded> 3: Launch and run a new exchange with possible profit sharing options
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  14. [08:43] <Chillance> Shaded: wait, are you involved in rebuilding?
  15. [08:43] <sz4dy> Shaded: whats the chance of success ?
  16. [08:44] <Shaded> sz4dy: 41.1222234%
  17. [08:44] <sz4dy> Shaded: sounds legit ;)
  18. [08:44] <Shaded> I don't have an exact number for you, but anything is better than nothing.
  19. [08:45] <Shaded> Chillance: I am part of the SaveGox team
  20. [08:45] <sz4dy> can You prove it somehow?
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  22. [08:46] <Chillance> Shaded: hey, cool. I just "signed up" there
  23. [08:46] <Shaded> Thanks! :D
  24. [08:46] <Shaded> sz4dy: Prove my participation?
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  26. [08:46] <Chillance> what are you guys doing to convince the judges?
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  28. [08:47] <Shaded> Oh lord
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  30. [08:47] <Shaded> Do I need to list all the ways?
  31. [08:47] <Chillance> nah, just so I know you are working on it :)
  32. [08:47] <Shaded> The main thing is savegox.com, we're proving creditors are interested in the plan
  33. [08:47] <Shaded> Brock is flying every which way to meet with anyone remotely involved
  34. [08:48] <Chillance> yes, but then they probably need someone to show investment in it too?
  35. [08:48] <Shaded> John is assembling a team to actually launch a competent exchange
  36. [08:48] <Chillance> you should really sync up with anarchystar then
  37. [08:48] <Shaded> What do you mean by that?
  38. [08:48] <Shaded> I am in talks with him
  39. [08:48] <Chillance> although I dont mind more exchanges
  40. [08:49] <Chillance> but only one can be using the real db I suppose
  41. [08:49] <SuSEno> Shaded: is there any of your SaveGox team in Japan now?
  42. [08:49] <sz4dy> how can we know You don't want to do the same thing as anarchystar.. advertise new exchange among us and at the end offer shity 10% of fees as a charity
  43. [08:49] <Chillance> also, Im not sure if more exchanges helping gox users is good or bad.. could be too polluted
  44. [08:49] <Shaded> SuSEno: I can ask, I know we'll have a couple folks in there later this week
  45. [08:50] <Shaded> sz4dy: We will give back every single coin first. We will not touch a single customer coin for operations or legal fees.
  46. [08:50] <Chillance> and by intestement I mean that maybe the judges want to see not only dedication, but also that you wont use up our btc
  47. [08:51] <Shaded> Chillance: More exchanges will get eaten by the network effect.
  48. [08:51] <Shaded> Chillance: That's coming ;) Can't ruin all the surprises now can I?
  49. [08:51] <Chillance> :)
  50. [08:51] <Chillance> what are you and anarchystar talking about then?
  51. [08:51] <Chillance> as you seem to be doing the same thing
  52. [08:51] <Shaded> He wants liquidation
  53. [08:52] <Shaded> We don't want to send a single gox coin through Japanese courts
  54. [08:52] <Chillance> ah, yea, not sure whyh
  55. [08:52] <SuSEno> Shaded: sz4dy: We will give back every single coin first. We will not touch a single customer coin for operations or legal fees. <-- also please don't touch bank accounts that hold customer fiat cash
  56. [08:52] <Chillance> what is he saying about that?
  57. [08:52] <Shaded> Hopefully we can work together. No reason to split the community apart.
  58. [08:52] <Chillance> agree
  59. [08:52] <Shaded> SuSEno: That too. Customer funds.
  60. [08:52] <SuSEno> Good
  61. [08:53] <Chillance> now, what would happen if you both run 2 different exchanges... that would be interesteing, people get money back at 2 places
  62. [08:53] <Chillance> ?
  63. [08:53] <Shaded> Hey, you guys need as much charity as you can get. I'll support 5 exchanges.
  64. [08:53] <Shaded> We're all working towards the same goal.
  65. [08:54] <Chillance> would be funny if gox users got back more then if more exchanges did the same thing.. unless you guys sync up money payed back
  66. [08:54] <Shaded> The current issue at hand is whether the courts will liquidate or give Brock and the team a chance.
  67. [08:54] <Chillance> Im all for some kind of restart
  68. [08:54] <Chillance> better wait and get it back, than 20% now
  69. [08:55] <Chillance> anarchystars way.. well, not sure what he had in mind.. get 20% to all users, and then run his site to help with the rest?
  70. [08:56] * Shaded shrugs
  71. [08:56] <Shaded> Still need to talk with him
  72. [08:56] <Chillance> yea, I cant get hold of him
  73. [08:57] <Shaded> We jousted today, I'm sure I'll catch him tomorrow :P
  74. [08:57] <SuSEno> Yes you need to talk with anarchystar more
  75. [08:57] <Chillance> besides, Im pretty sure, liquidation means much less than 20%, and who knows what they will do with the btc.. sell it is just not right
  76. [08:57] <PySpace> Shaded: how many people are participating in savegox ? rough estimate in people/btc/fiat ?
  77. [08:57] <SuSEno> By the way, here is the chat log (Q&A way) between Shaded and anarchystar http://pastebin.com/6wtDBuvT
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  80. [09:00] <PySpace> savegox == insiders ?
  81. [09:01] <SuSEno> PySpace: That's what anarchystar thinks
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  83. [09:02] <@Tiraspol> lol
  84. [09:02] <SuSEno> Shaded: Anyway, imo you guys from Sunlot Holdings are little bit late now. Why don't you bid MtGox earlier?
  85. [09:04] <Chillance> well, that log sounds like Shaded and anarchystar still has stuff to sort out
  86. [09:05] <Hugo2> SuSEno: I think they did but the judge rejected it, which is interesting in its own.
  87. [09:05] <@Tiraspol> Chillance what exactly needs to be sorted?
  88. [09:06] <Shaded> SuSEno: We've been in talks for two months.
  89. [09:06] <Chillance> no trust
  90. [09:06] <Shaded> Actually longer.
  91. [09:06] <Shaded> PySpace: 70% of creditors
  92. [09:07] <Chillance> Shaded: you are waiting to get mtgox data to go on with what you are working with, or you have started something in the meantime already anyway?
  93. [09:07] <Chillance> I mean, rebuilding an exchange takes some time to do properly
  94. [09:08] <Chillance> unless you hired Mark, lol
  95. [09:09] <Hugo2> Chillance: mark is a visionary
  96. [09:10] <Shaded> Chillance: The actual exchange? More or less done.
  97. [09:10] <Shaded> Like I said, we've been at this awhile.
  98. [09:10] <Chillance> ah, cool
  99. [09:10] <Chillance> anything I can help out with?
  100. [09:10] <Chillance> testing it?
  101. [09:10] <Shaded> PySpace: Do I sound like an insider?
  102. [09:11] <Shaded> Chillance: Not yet, dealing with the courts is first on the plate
  103. [09:12] <Chillance> damn, that is boring... will take forever.. or wait, 9th of may?
  104. [09:15] <Chillance> Shaded: btw, why are you guys doing this?
  105. [09:16] <@Tiraspol> Chillance: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/ltb102-savegox-and-the-show-floor/
  106. [09:16] <@Tiraspol> Minute 57:00 +
  107. [09:16] <Shaded> Chillance: I'm doing it because I love the Bitcoin community
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  110. [09:17] <Shaded> Brock and John and all of them are all invested in the Bitcoin community and want to see it succeed. We're in a place to help you guys, so we're doing it.
  111. [09:18] <Chillance> yea, sounds like its coming with right intentions
  112. [09:18] <Hugo2> Shaded: its ok to say you guys also think its a good oportunity to profit. I personally trust someone in a business relationship when I know they have some motivation other than helping me
  113. [09:18] <Shaded> Yup, it's a good will gesture.
  114. [09:18] <Shaded> An exchange was in the works anyways.
  115. [09:19] <Shaded> Win win for everyone.
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  118. [09:20] <Chillance> well, I dont mind they making a profit.. eventually :)
  119. [09:20] <Chillance> as a business you have to anyway
  120. [09:20] <Dr-G2> will there be a haircut to the debt or will the 50% go on till it's payed back?
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  122. [09:20] <Dr-G2> if it happens lol
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  124. [09:21] <Shaded> Not sure
  125. [09:21] <Chillance> wait, you are doing 50% of the earnings?
  126. [09:22] <Dr-G2> they are thinking about it I guess
  127. [09:22] <Shaded> The % isn't set yet
  128. [09:22] <Shaded> The terms aren't either
  129. [09:22] <Shaded> We'll have more information this week on the revised plan
  130. [09:22] <Chillance> well, anything is better than a liquidation plan
  131. [09:23] <Chillance> Shaded: when do you expect to be starting this whole thing?
  132. [09:24] <Shaded> Soon.
  133. [09:24] <Chillance> I mean, for the public
  134. [09:24] <Shaded> Starting the exchange?
  135. [09:24] <Chillance> yea
  136. [09:24] <Shaded> Soon.
  137. [09:24] <Shaded> No set dates yet unfortunately though
  138. [09:24] <Chillance> Mark "soon", or normal "soon"?`:P
  139. [09:25] <Shaded> We'll also be adding Litecoin deposits \s
  140. [09:25] <Shaded> Not holding a grudge or anything
  141. [09:25] <Shaded> Not that I didn't ask for Dogecoin deposits months ago
  142. [09:25] * Shaded twitches
  143. [09:26] <Shaded> Normal soon
  144. [09:26] <Chillance> btw, the exchange will work with fiat too?
  145. [09:26] <Shaded> I'd guess so.
  146. [09:27] <Chillance> not sure multisig.com was supposed to.. in the beginning.. which might be little odd for some
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  152. [09:36] <Shaded> Hey Lao_Ban_, people were calling for you earlier.
  153. [09:36] <Shaded> Oh darn
  154. [09:42] <Shaded> Well, I'm off for the night
  155. [09:42] <Shaded> Good night folks.
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