[02:23] <+Killingblair> <HumanBones> the difference is, that democracy is intelligent
[02:23] <+Killingblair> mike is intelligent???
[02:24] <+Xen> I like that mike isnt in here
[02:24] <+Xen> MIKE IS A FAGGOT
[02:24] <+Killingblair> oh hes not
[02:24] <+Xen> Cool now I don't have to worry about him piping up like a fuckhead
[02:24] <+HumanBones> theres a reason mike has been on the board since it started
[02:24] <+Xen> I'm still smartin over you saying you value mike's opinion over mine
[02:24] <+Xen> It'll be my infinite grudge
[02:25] <+HumanBones> tbh I know how to push your buttons
[02:25] <+Xen> Doesn't make it right!
[02:25] <+Xen> What's the reason though
[02:25] <+HumanBones> well don't act like a shithead then
[02:25] <+Xen> I am genuinely curious
[02:25] <+Killingblair> too lazy to change
[02:26] <+Killingblair> ns wants to keep their stake in idl board
[02:26] <+Killingblair> etc etc etc
[02:26] <+Xen> I consider myself far less of a shithead than mike
[02:26] <+Xen> Oh are you serious
[02:26] <+Xen> Clan politics?
[02:26] <+Xen> Man
[02:26] <+Xen> Absurd
[02:26] <+Killingblair> yes
[02:26] <+HumanBones> mike is thoughtful, always comes up with great ideas, always contributes in an outstanding way to any discussion we are having
[02:26] <+Killingblair> grab ye pitchforks
[02:26] <+Xen> Are we talking about the same mike
[02:26] <+Xen> Mikehail?
[02:26] <+Killingblair> rofl
[02:27] <+HumanBones> yes
[02:27] <+Xen> You should bring your own drinks
[02:27] <+Xen> Just sayin
[02:28] <+Xen> Flat out Ralph's excuse was dumb as shit
[02:28] <+Xen> Too many UD in the board
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[02:29] <+HumanBones> look, do you really think (besides mantis ;) ) incompetant people would be on the board
[02:29] <+Xen> Insults my intelligence
[02:29] <+HumanBones> i don't care about clans being on the board
[02:29] <+Xen> I can't say because I've never seen how the board operates so!
[02:29] <+Xen> But then again I don't really desire to be a part of the board at this point because now it'd be more of a 'Well just because' thing
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[02:30] <+Xen> It'd probably be like being part of the ST administration
[02:30] <+Xen> Full of dumb people with horrible ideas that get listened to anyway
[02:31] <+Xen> And no I don't think a lot of people actually know what they're talking about
[02:31] <+Xen> Hope 12 teams works out well for you guys though
[02:31] <+HumanBones> right, so I can try and defend mike because behind the scenes he is very involved in how the idl works but you won't believe me because mike probably doesnt take talking in #idl seriously
[02:31] <+Xen> Or anywhere else
[02:31] <+Xen> Even in #sxp he acts like a stuck up shithead
[02:32] <+HumanBones> well like I have said a number of times
[02:32] <+Xen> I know he used to be like how you said he is behind the scenes
[02:32] <+HumanBones> the board members don't shit talk the idl
[02:32] <+Xen> I don't know why he acts like a very unlikeable person
[02:33] <+Sabertooth> cause being lovable like me gets you no where
[02:33] <+Xen> I think there's a difference between someone offering input that is literally ignored and expressing distaste over it than shit talking the IDL if you're taking a swing at me
[02:33] <+HumanBones> you cross over that line a lot
[02:33] <+HumanBones> and i am not saying it is all the time
[02:34] <+Xen> Maybe I'm pretty tired of bad people getting a say in things they know nothing about!
[02:34] <+HumanBones> who is bad and doesn't know anything about what specifically
[02:34] <+Xen> I've actually offered pretty good input on the forums for example
[02:34] <+HumanBones> I agree with you
[02:34] <+Xen> Although either someone takes credit for the idea or is ignored entirely
[02:35] <+Killingblair> ok
[02:35] <+Killingblair> idl players union
[02:35] <+Xen> I don't even know who's on the board besides you, mantis and mike basically
[02:35] <+Killingblair> on strike
[02:35] <+Killingblair> until mike leaves
[02:35] <+HumanBones> however, offering constructive criticism in #idl is different than freaking out in #idl
[02:35] <+Sabertooth> i hardly say anything on the forums
[02:36] <+HumanBones> I find it difficult to take you seriously when things like that happen heh, sorry. not that i don't read what you are saying, but it becomes kind of silly after a while
[02:36] <+Xen> So I guess me getting heated in #idl because I think you guys are making bad decisions puts me lower than Mantis or something?
[02:37] <+HumanBones> getting heated is one thing though, going on a rampage is another
[02:37] <+Xen> What did I go on a rampage about
[02:37] <+HumanBones> I wouldn't be able to pull a specific thing out of memory
[02:38] <+Xen> Oh ok
[02:38] <+HumanBones> until i was "mean" to nostar, he was able to express his feelings regarding what was happening politely
[02:38] <+Xen> Well I think it was pretty unfair for you to say I shit talk the IDL and go on rampages when I've helped out the IDL a lot in past and present
[02:39] <+HumanBones> I wasn't discrediting you from anything
[02:39] <+Xen> Okay so on what merit are board members brought in to decide on anything?
[02:39] <+Xen> Not being vocal or something?
[02:39] <+Sabertooth> not to be a douche but what have you done for the IDL DD
[02:39] <+Sabertooth> we all know im forgetfull
[02:40] <+Killingblair> xen u should be used to getting shit on after providing vital assets for free
[02:40] <+Killingblair> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:40] <+Xen> lol
[02:40] <+Climhazzard> mostly forum stuff
[02:40] <+Xen> Fuck JKist
[02:40] <+HumanBones> I guess I don't understand the question entirely
[02:41] <+Xen> Saber: Graphics, website stuff, minor IDL adjustments based off posts
[02:41] <+Xen> Well only assuming because no one said hey xen good idea lets implement it
[02:41] <+Climhazzard> i made the website and contribute crappy forum posts :D
[02:41] <+Xen> But it would happen in close proximity so
[02:41] <+Xen> w/e
[02:41] <+Sabertooth> ah
[02:42] <+HumanBones> do you mean how are board members decided on?
[02:42] <+Xen> HumanBones: I'm basically wondering why all these people with imo inferior experience and understanding of the game and teamplay idealology are brought in
[02:42] <+Xen> I'm sounding like dev now tho
[02:43] <+Sabertooth> ya nothing i say should be taken as a straight opinion from me
[02:43] <+Sabertooth> or coherent
[02:43] <+Killingblair> actually getting shit on after providing something for the community is common
[02:43] <+HumanBones> it's not really about "has this person ever run something before"
[02:43] <+Killingblair> it happened with rn, it happens to tt
[02:43] <+Killingblair> ppl are shitheads
[02:44] <+Sabertooth> hell the only the i've actually done was throw up the idea of the championship match being called the masterbowl but no one remembers any of that
[02:44] <+Xen> It's not just running something though, I've played and seen more than at least half the board members I'm almost positive, although I contribute good insight and thoughtful ideas I guess I rampage a lot although there's no specific scenario
[02:44] <+Killingblair> ppl blamed quakeworld servs for losses before
[02:44] <+HumanBones> personally, I look for vocal members of the community who are excited about the future and genuinely want to contribute..and really the only thing that seperates some people is how they act on a regular basis.
[02:44] <+Xen> I guess the whole dd is pissed thing from like 8 years ago keeps coming back to bite me in the ass
[02:44] <+Sabertooth> i sometimes give out ideas that are ignored like they should be from me and then later "discovered"
[02:45] <+Xen> Because I think its just prejudice at this point
[02:45] <+Sabertooth> DD IS PISSED!
[02:45] <+Killingblair> rofl
[02:45] <+Killingblair> xen is a white male
[02:45] <+Killingblair> and its KEEPING HIM DOWM
[02:45] <+Xen> str8 up
[02:45] <+Sabertooth> <+HumanBones> personally, I look for vocal members of the community who are excited about the future and genuinely want to contribute..and really the only thing that seperates some people is how they act on a regular basis.  (elaborate)
[02:45] <+Killingblair> the only defense he has is to racially profile tai
[02:45] <+Sabertooth> im curious now
[02:46] <+Xen> But it's cool, I just want an idea on wtf was going on when you people picked know-nothings like Mantis
[02:46] <+Xen> And it DEFINITELY wasn't becuase the board was UD stacked
[02:46] <+Xen> You don't even seem to have an answer tho
[02:46] <+HumanBones> it's not prejudice, you act like that maybe once a week or so. i don't really care on a personal level, but why would I want someone who instead of politely disagreeing and trying to have a friendly argument decides to flip out all the time and act like a crybaby represent the playerbase
[02:46] <+Xen> Once a week? Dude what
[02:46] <+Xen> When
[02:47] <+Sabertooth> hahahah
[02:47] <+Xen> What the fuck haha
[02:47] <+Xen> Okay well
[02:47] <+Sabertooth> Xen: "logs or is didn't happen"
[02:47] <+Xen> That's cool with me although you're basically blowing it way out of proportion
[02:47] <+Xen> I can't even think of when I last had a 'rampage'
[02:47] <+Xen> Or flipped out all the time and act like a crybaby
[02:48] <+Sabertooth> i remember along time ago you flipped out on me once
[02:48] <+Xen> I can't tell if you're actually being serious
[02:48] <+Sabertooth> me sort of
[02:48] <+Sabertooth> about every 3 lines from me has alittle bit of truth in it
[02:49] <+Xen> Oh yeah years ago I was out of control, I can't think of anything anywhere near recent though
[02:49] <+Xen> But you know, I guess that impression never left people
[02:49] <+HumanBones> how about negative waves
[02:49] <+HumanBones> thats a pretty recent one
[02:49] <+Sabertooth> i liked it cause you pm'd me to say you were sorry
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[02:50] <+Xen> Oh wasn't negative waves when I was trying to convey the message about player quality over quantity while everyone was having a tizzy about the draft order and snakes or something
[02:50] <+Sabertooth> AND SNAKES?
[02:50] <+Killingblair> SNAKE DRAFT
[02:50] <+Xen> Yeah snake draft
[02:50] <+Xen> rofl draft order and snakes
[02:50] <+Xen> I knew snakes were related
[02:50] <+Killingblair> yo
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[02:51] <+Killingblair> snake draft saved us from lb/star/chewy
[02:51] <+Killingblair> i have to admit i do agree w/ the changing of the draft order
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[02:51] <+Xen> Oh no looking at logs I was telling bones to go back to 8 teams because no one was confirming their invites
[02:51] <+Xen> I think I saved IDL because the next ten minutes I was highlight bombing everyone to confirm invites
[02:51] <+Killingblair> it lowered the chances of ppl trying to stack a team
[02:52] <+Killingblair> i mean dmr did get stacked but thats expected from nostar
[02:52] <+Sabertooth> i fell asleep so i had to accept my invite early
[02:52] <+Sabertooth> i was disappointed
[02:52] <+HumanBones> draft order needed to be changed for sure
[02:52] <+HumanBones> still does if you ask me
[02:52] <+Killingblair> i had to be last to accept my inv
[02:52] <+Xen> If that's a rampage well fuck me sideways, sorry I brought up that you delayed the the end of signups
[02:52] <+Xen> There we cool now?
[02:53] <+Xen> "[17:14:52] <@HumanBones> I know you don't go outside but try not to take it so seriously"
[02:53] <+Xen> Damn
[02:53] <+Killingblair> i remember that
[02:53] <+HumanBones> I was pissed off because you just ASSUMED I did that for a bunch of false reasons
[02:53] <+Xen> Well you had to delay the end of the signups anyway
[02:53] <+Xen> Because we didn't have anyone
[02:54] <+Xen> It was principle
[02:54] <+Sabertooth> lol
[02:54] <+Xen> Are you saying you would have closed signups and started the draft with 10 less people than is needed to even fill teams?
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[02:54] <+Xen> I'm surprised you would call me bringing that up a rampage
[02:54] <+Sabertooth> mid-preseason signups
[02:54] <+HumanBones> I'm saying had I not delayed signups *because the IDL site was down*, the league would have gone to 8 teams
[02:54] <+Sabertooth> gogogogogo
[02:54] <+Xen> It seems more of a fallacy on your part than mine
[02:55] <+Xen> You never mentioned that once
[02:55] <+HumanBones> I said it a number of times
[02:55] <+Sabertooth> Blair
[02:56] <+Xen> Okay well, me bringing that up is anything but a rampage and acting like a crybaby
[02:56] <+Sabertooth> i think this is going to end in one big crying session where everyone hugs at the end
[02:56] <+Cyber-> I...was never here...
[02:56] <+Sabertooth> i've seen this movie before
[02:56] <+Xen> Much less me flipping out 'all the time'
[02:56] <+DevilHunter> Cyber, your always here, you Stalker
[02:57] <+Xen> I'm actually disappointed more than anything cause I thought we talked pretty often and you moved on from like 2004
[02:57] <+Xen> Cause I sure have
[02:57] <+HumanBones> lol
[02:57] <+Xen> This is the part that if I was Carn I would go your supermod status is removed
[02:57] <+HumanBones> I don't know if you caught that it's not personal
[02:58] <+Sabertooth> i fucking hate your face
[02:58] <+Sabertooth> nothing personal
[02:58] <+HumanBones> if I was saying that I guess that would be funny
[02:59] <+Sabertooth> i try alittle
[02:59] <+Xen> Well uh, dude it definitely feels that way when you take in these people that apparently have no motivation whatsoever to even help the IDL much less have the experience and insight that you even said shows in IDL posts in srs talk
[02:59] <+Xen> And you bring up that I rampage and flip out all the time, which is definitely false
[02:59] <+HumanBones> who are you to say they have no motivation? or experience?
[02:59] <+Xen> Isn't that kinda personal then
[02:59] <+HumanBones> how do you define these traits
[02:59] <+strangle__> xen you do flip out a lot
[02:59] <+strangle__> i have a log where hatred got under your skin really easily
[02:59] <+Xen> By the way dawg the negative waves thing
[02:59] <+Xen> It wasn't even nearly a week ago
[02:59] <+Sabertooth> lets take me for example DD
[02:59] <+Xen> Session Start: Sat May 14 13:08:14 2011
[03:00] <+Sabertooth> where would you rank my motivation and experience
[03:00] <+strangle__> 0
[03:00] <+Xen> I guess I flipped out somewhere May 1-7 too
[03:00] <+strangle__> see: zddl saber v rust
[03:00] <+Sabertooth> thats all packet loss
[03:00] <+HumanBones> I am curious though, do you think they are not motivated or experienced because YOU arent on the board instead of them? I don't really see where you are basing these insinuations
[03:00] <+Sabertooth> plus zddl sucks
[03:01] <+strangle__> aha
[03:01] <+Sabertooth> im a MB champ
[03:01] <+Sabertooth> im fucking golden
[03:01] <+Xen> I dunno, whims I guess? I know for sure Mantis is one that I outclass with ease but I guess because he doesn't 'flip out every week' and throw rampages and what have you he's a better pick
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[03:02] <+Xen> What I don't see is where you base your own insinuations on my character and then say its not personal
[03:02] <+Xen> It's just kinda wtf man
[03:02] <+Xen> I see you guys complain about mantis constantly and how he doesn't even vote half the time
[03:02] <+Xen> Is that motivation?
[03:02] <+HumanBones> they are insinuations, they are fact
[03:02] <+Sabertooth> i'd vote
[03:02] <+HumanBones> arent
[03:02] <+strangle__> need a handkercheif?
[03:03] <+HumanBones> and I guess sometimes uh, sarcastic jokes between us get miscontrued for like
[03:03] <+HumanBones> deep hatred
[03:03] <+HumanBones> or something
[03:03] <+Xen> What people do you know that call other people crybabies and that they flip out every week and it's a sarcastic
[03:03] <+Xen> What people do you know that call other people crybabies and that they flip out every week and it's a sarcastic joke?
[03:03] <+Sabertooth> bones that sounds like rule 1 of understanding Saber
[03:04] <+Xen> That's insane
[03:04] <+Sabertooth> Saber is 90% sarcasm
[03:04] <+HumanBones> sarcastic jokes about mantis
[03:04] <+Xen> o
[03:04] <+Xen> Sure didn't seem like sarcasm when Ralph went off the handle
[03:04] <+Xen> I guess it coulda been tho~
[03:04] <+HumanBones> what does that mean
[03:04] <+Sabertooth> put me on the board that will fix everything im sure
[03:05] <+Sabertooth> or go the other route
[03:05] <+Sabertooth> just blame me
[03:05] <+Xen> Ralph and on occasion Mike even had talked about Mantis but it's like, now its sarcastic jokes?
[03:05] <+HumanBones> I think this is secretly been about how much you hate mantis
[03:05] <+Xen> Feels like you're just dropping me under the bus but covering his ass
[03:05] <+HumanBones> I should have mentioned him earlier
[03:06] <+Xen> No I'm using him as a pretty good example
[03:06] <+Xen> Who else is on the board anyway
[03:06] <+Sabertooth> dewww
[03:06] <+strangle__> not u
[03:06] <+Sabertooth> ?
[03:06] <+HumanBones> a good example of what? do you see how he contributes? I don't think so
[03:06] <+Sabertooth> that faggot
[03:06] <+Sabertooth> trash piece of shit
[03:06] <+HumanBones> the board is goat/mike/dew/mantis/mass
[03:06] <+Sabertooth> fuck that czech
[03:06] <+Cyber-> saber should be on the board
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> where is goat btw
[03:07] <+Xen> When was Mass part of the board
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> i've like missed him for like a week
[03:07] <+HumanBones> ladna quit, we voted mass in
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> hahaha
[03:07] <+HumanBones> they voted mass in anyway
[03:07] <+Xen> Heh
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> DD IS PISSED IN
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> 3
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> 2
[03:07] <+Sabertooth> 1
[03:07] <+Xen> No I kinda get how it is now
[03:07] <+Cyber-> am i late with the popcorn?
[03:08] <+strangle__> xen has been trying to get on the board for the past ten seasons
[03:08] <+Xen> I just didn't think I was thought so lowly because of some misconception from like 7 years ago
[03:08] <+HumanBones> also, let me remind you that the only person I brought on to the board is mass
[03:08] <+strangle__> he wants some sort of recognition for his pictures
[03:08] <+HumanBones> I have been here for 1 month
[03:08] <+Sabertooth> DD just think of it this way im never considered for anything
[03:08] <+Sabertooth> so your higher than me
[03:08] <+Xen> Nah strangle before this even began I was wondering why but I don't want to be in now, because it'd just be a consolation prize
[03:09] <+Xen> Bones: I'm aware
[03:09] <+Sabertooth> DD doesn't want your fucking hand outs
[03:09] <+HumanBones> whatever other people have said about mantis or whoever, doesn't matter to me. it's what I see
[03:09] <+Sabertooth> no sloppy seconds for him
[03:10] <+HumanBones> it's not a popularity contest
[03:10] <+Sabertooth> sure it is
[03:10] <+Xen> Clearly it is
[03:10] <+Sabertooth> beat you
[03:10] <+HumanBones> yes, clearly it is