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  1. 01[23:22] <%Buffalo_Wing> so, let's discuss this
  2. 01[23:22] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:06:24] <+Buffalo_Wing> don't play with R_I_P
  3. 01[23:22] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:06:27] <+Buffalo_Wing> he doesn't know how the rules work
  4. 01[23:23] <%Buffalo_Wing> who thinks this is unprofessional
  5. 01[23:23] <%Buffalo_Wing> to let other drafters know about a player
  6. 01[23:23] <%Buffalo_Wing> who agreed to play a match with me but quit game one
  7. 01[23:23] <%Buffalo_Wing> after being incorrect about the rules and refusing to come here
  8. [23:23] <&niknight> when you have a symbol in front of your nick, it is unprofessional
  9. 01[23:23] <%Buffalo_Wing> no
  10. [23:24] <&Betamonkey> i think it's petty for regular users, and i think it's unprofessional for judges
  11. 01[23:24] <%Buffalo_Wing> that's just another unjustified assertion
  12. 01[23:24] <%Buffalo_Wing> explain how it is petty, please.
  13. [23:24] <&Betamonkey> what player has a right to tell the community what they should and should not do?
  14. 01[23:24] <%Buffalo_Wing> lol?
  15. 01[23:24] <%Buffalo_Wing> obviously people can play with him if they want
  16. [23:24] <&niknight> you are supposed to be an impartial arbiter, and respect is paramount. what you did was basically taunting the player b/c he iddn't know the rules.
  17. 01[23:25] <%Buffalo_Wing> i wasn't taunting him
  18. 01[23:25] <%Buffalo_Wing> HE REFUSED TO COME HERE
  19. 01[23:25] <%Buffalo_Wing> AND THEN QUIT
  20. 01[23:25] <%Buffalo_Wing> like do you really think this is the time to make your "moral beacon!!!!!" stand?
  21. [23:25] <&niknight> no better time than the present
  22. 01[23:25] <%Buffalo_Wing> no better time than an appropriate time
  23. [23:25] <&niknight> and tbh, you precipitated this last week
  24. 01[23:26] <%Buffalo_Wing> lol
  25. [23:26] <&niknight> and don't give any crap about clariax, b/c he was absolutely, 100% right
  26. 01[23:26] <%Buffalo_Wing> you weren't even going to say ANYTHING
  27. 01[23:26] <%Buffalo_Wing> until clariax came in
  28. [23:26] <&niknight> it's called reflection
  29. 01[23:26] <%Buffalo_Wing> and, again, i said i wouldn't say anything more
  30. 01[23:26] <%Buffalo_Wing> like the j3 comment
  31. [23:26] <&niknight> and tbh, I was way too heated to do something at that point
  32. [23:26] <%PV> [23:06:24] <+Buffalo_Wing> don't play with R_I_P
  33. [23:26] <%PV> <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:06:27] <+Buffalo_Wing> he doesn't know how the rules work
  34. [23:26] <%PV> <%Buffalo_Wing> who thinks this is unprofessional
  35. 01[23:26] <%Buffalo_Wing> so i'm not sure how much of an issue it is now
  36. [23:27] <%PV> doesn't seem unprofesional to me
  37. [23:27] <%PV> besides, we are not professionals here are we ;(
  38. 01[23:27] <%Buffalo_Wing> ty pv
  39. 03[23:27] * Clariax (Clariax@SolidIRC-8ce0e9f3.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #judges4you
  40. 03[23:27] * ChanServ sets mode: +h Clariax
  41. [23:27] <%PV> sotd ;(
  42. [23:28] <&niknight> his spidey senses were tingling...
  43. 01[23:28] <%Buffalo_Wing> i was making an objective comment, the drafting community on ml outside of minis
  44. 01[23:28] <%Buffalo_Wing> is largely self-policed
  45. [23:28] <%PV> sotd ;(like
  46. [23:28] <%PV> er
  47. [23:28] <%PV> like
  48. [23:28] <%Zapgaze> sotd?
  49. [23:28] <%Zapgaze> soup of the day?
  50. [23:28] <%PV> if the guy was disruptive to the drafts
  51. [23:28] <%Zapgaze> slut of the day?
  52. [23:28] <%PV> speaking of the devil!
  53. [23:28] <%PV> :(
  54. [23:28] <@DARKING> :O
  55. [23:28] <%Zapgaze> saint of the day?
  56. [23:28] <&niknight> and if you want to make said comment, then do /mode #draft4you -v buffalo_wing
  57. [23:28] <%Zapgaze> oh:P
  58. [23:28] <&niknight> then make your comment
  59. [23:28] <&niknight> then hop
  60. [23:28] <%PV> if the guy was disruptive to the drafts, then the fact that buff has a v before his nick should not stop him to try to prevent that from happening again
  61. [23:29] <&Betamonkey> he wasn't PV - look at the context of the discussion
  62. 03[23:29] * Zapgaze sets mode: +v Zapgaze
  63. 03[23:29] * Zapgaze sets mode: -v Zapgaze
  64. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> that's a joke niknight
  65. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> he was disruptive
  66. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> to my draft
  67. [23:29] <%PV> from what I gathered
  68. [23:29] <%PV> the guy drafted
  69. [23:29] <%PV> didnt know stuff
  70. [23:29] <%PV> didnt come here
  71. [23:29] <%PV> and quit in the middle
  72. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> yes
  73. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> that is very disruptive
  74. [23:29] <%PV> also like
  75. [23:29] <&niknight> pv: he drafted, started playing
  76. [23:29] <%PV> it is not like buff speaks for the league or anything
  77. [23:29] <&niknight> and didn't have a problem until the game started
  78. [23:29] <%PV> to the point where he is a public person
  79. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:29:47] <&niknight> and didn't have a problem until the game started
  80. 01[23:29] <%Buffalo_Wing> uh so
  81. [23:29] <%PV> and can no longer talk "for himself"
  82. [23:30] <%PV> but niknight
  83. [23:30] <%PV> people can decide by themselves
  84. [23:30] <%Zapgaze> technically, every judge is a representative of the league
  85. [23:30] <%PV> if they think that is disruptive or not
  86. [23:30] <%Zapgaze> and must act accordingly at all times
  87. [23:30] <%PV> oh come on
  88. [23:30] <%Zapgaze> regardless of what the situation is
  89. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> thanks Zapgaze
  90. [23:30] <%Zapgaze> and I know I sound hypocritical
  91. [23:30] <&niknight> pv: so what would you do if a judge at San Juan called you out?
  92. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> for that awesome contribution
  93. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> called him out on what?
  94. [23:30] <%PV> called me out?
  95. [23:30] <&niknight> on anything
  96. [23:30] <%PV> what doyou mean
  97. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> if it was for doing a draft for fun, then being objectively wrong, then quitting
  98. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> then i think
  99. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> he'd be fine with it
  100. 01[23:30] <%Buffalo_Wing> not to speak for pv
  101. [23:30] <&niknight> if a judge said that you didn't have a clue in front of other players
  102. 01[23:31] <%Buffalo_Wing> lol
  103. [23:31] <%PV> well
  104. 01[23:31] <%Buffalo_Wing> way to put words in my mouth
  105. [23:31] <%PV> people do get DQed
  106. [23:31] <&niknight> would you not find the HJ and complain
  107. 01[23:31] <%Buffalo_Wing> league representative
  108. [23:31] <%PV> by judges
  109. [23:31] <%PV> dont they?
  110. 01[23:31] <%Buffalo_Wing> niknight that's a bullshit comparison
  111. [23:31] <%PV> when they are wrong
  112. 01[23:31] <%Buffalo_Wing> and you know that's a bullshit comparison.
  113. [23:31] <%PV> they get punishments
  114. [23:32] <%PV> I mean, from the way you guys talk
  115. [23:32] <%PV> it seems that bwing is no longer a person
  116. [23:32] <%PV> he is not a head of state or anything
  117. [23:32] <%PV> do I even make sense
  118. [23:32] <%PV> ;[
  119. 01[23:33] <%Buffalo_Wing> even as a representative of the league i don't think giving people information is acting inappropriately
  120. 01[23:33] <%Buffalo_Wing> yes
  121. 01[23:33] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:30:56] <&niknight> if a judge said that you didn't have a clue in front of other players
  122. 01[23:33] <%Buffalo_Wing> this would never happen to pv
  123. 01[23:33] <%Buffalo_Wing> not only because he knows the rules
  124. 01[23:33] <%Buffalo_Wing> but also because a) he's willing to listen to other people b) if he isn't, he'd be willing to accept the view of a third-party judge c) he doesn't completely quit the game and waste a half-hour of someone's time just because he disagrees (and, again, is wrong)
  125. 01[23:34] <%Buffalo_Wing> and if he were all three of those other things then anyone there would be perfectly justified in telling other people
  126. 01[23:34] <%Buffalo_Wing> to not waste their time drafting with him
  127. 01[23:34] <%Buffalo_Wing> .
  128. [23:34] <%PV> agreed!
  129. [23:35] <&Betamonkey> so we're allowed to potentially alienate (and in some eyes, bully) a player just because we don't see eye to eye with them?
  130. [23:35] <&Betamonkey> we
  131. [23:36] <&Betamonkey> we are allowed to pass off our beliefs as fact just because we are judges and thus are automaticaly correct?
  132. [23:36] <%PV> bully?
  133. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> bully?
  134. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> our beliefs?
  135. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> he literally did not know the rules
  136. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> i tried to educate him
  137. [23:36] <%PV> what's belief in "he quit the game"
  138. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> and then i tried to bring him in here
  139. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> and then he refused either and quit
  140. [23:36] <%PV> besides, people can decide for themselves if they know the facts
  141. 01[23:36] <%Buffalo_Wing> he's alienating himself
  142. [23:36] <%PV> it is not like buff went ILL BAN WHOEVER PLAYS WITH THIS GUY
  143. [23:36] <%PV> he merely said what happened
  144. [23:36] <%PV> how is that bullying
  145. [23:37] <%PV> I see it as the equivalent of, say, you are a moderator of a trading website
  146. [23:37] <%PV> then you trade with someone
  147. [23:37] <&Betamonkey> i said in some eyes PV
  148. [23:37] <%PV> and they send you cards in terrible condition
  149. 01[23:37] <%Buffalo_Wing> in some eyes the world is 7k years old
  150. [23:37] <%PV> then you go and post "this person sends cards in bad condition"
  151. [23:37] <%PV> you are a moderator
  152. [23:37] <%PV> is that bullying?!
  153. [23:37] <%PV> if people are going to trade with him, they should know what they are getting into
  154. [23:37] <&niknight> pv: he didn't just say that
  155. 01[23:38] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:35:46] <&Betamonkey> so we're allowed to potentially alienate (and in some eyes, bully) a trader just because we don't see eye to eye with them?
  156. 01[23:38] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:36:09] <&Betamonkey> we are allowed to pass off our beliefs as fact just because we are moderators and thus are automaticaly correct?
  157. [23:38] <&niknight> if he had said "my opp quit b/c he didn't know the rules" that would have been one thing
  158. [23:38] <&niknight> but he flat out told people to avoid playing with him
  159. 01[23:38] <%Buffalo_Wing> oh please
  160. 01[23:38] <%Buffalo_Wing> you think people are going to take that as an ml edict?
  161. 01[23:38] <%Buffalo_Wing> that's a joke and you know it
  162. 03[23:38] * dieplstks (a@SolidIRC-9872c61f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #judges4you
  163. 03[23:38] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao dieplstks dieplstks
  164. [23:38] <&Betamonkey> i think that you could have unreasonably influenced a player's opinion of a peer because of your status. That's what i believe
  165. 01[23:39] <%Buffalo_Wing> unreasonably?
  166. 01[23:39] <%Buffalo_Wing> how is it unreasonable
  167. 01[23:39] <%Buffalo_Wing> please make this case to me
  168. 01[23:39] <%Buffalo_Wing> (hint: there's no case to be made, you're still just arguing because you can't change your mind because you assume bwing is morally wrong!)
  169. [23:39] <%PV> it didnt seem like he used his status
  170. [23:39] <&dieplstks> I agree
  171. [23:40] <%PV> if the fact that he does have a status make people more likely to believe him
  172. [23:40] <&dieplstks> with bwing
  173. [23:40] <&dieplstks> for the record
  174. [23:40] <%PV> that's completely different, and not like he was abusing it or anything :/
  175. 03[23:40] * Haro (Haro@Pink.Bunnies) has joined #judges4you
  176. 03[23:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Haro
  177. [23:40] <&Betamonkey> what if those players do not give a chance for R_I_P to redeem himself? We are here to educate and preserve the intergrity of the game and the league, we are not here to shoot down players just because they did something wrong. That's why we don't permanently ban players, that's why we don't permanently dejudge judges and that's why i don't agree with how you addressed that issue bwing
  178. [23:40] <%PV> I want something sweet to eat :(
  179. 01[23:40] <%Buffalo_Wing> [23:40:33] <&Betamonkey> what if those players do not give a chance for R_I_P to redeem himself?
  180. 01[23:40] <%Buffalo_Wing> lollllllllllllll
  181. 03[23:40] * DARKING665 (darking665@01C7C6.225CF5.CC1951.1799C0) has joined #judges4you
  182. [23:41] <%PV> I think telling people not to play with the quitter
  183. 02[23:41] * @DARKING (darking665@01C7C6.225CF5.265C83.54F85A) Quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  184. 01[23:41] <%Buffalo_Wing> firstly it's not like i put it in the topic, so there is literally 0% chance he doesn't get another person to play with
  185. [23:41] <%PV> does wonders to preserve the integrity of the game
  186. 02[23:41] * &brimstone (a@sunshine.and.rainbows) Quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  187. [23:41] <&Betamonkey> that's not the point and you know it bwing
  188. 01[23:41] <%Buffalo_Wing> secondly HE IS AN AWFUL OPPONENT WHY SHOULD HE NOT BE RESPONSIBLE
  189. 03[23:41] * DARKING665 is now known as DARKING
  190. 01[23:41] <%Buffalo_Wing> FOR THAT
  191. 03[23:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +o DARKING
  192. [23:41] <&dieplstks> I think this is absurd
  193. [23:41] <&Betamonkey> again, i never said that. You know this.
  194. 01[23:42] <%Buffalo_Wing> lolz
  195. 01[23:42] <%Buffalo_Wing> k yeah it's definitely me being unfair in this debate
  196. 01[23:42] <%Buffalo_Wing> not the person who brought up bullying
  197. 01[23:43] <%Buffalo_Wing> like this is utterly ridiculous, but i have a draft match to play against an actual opponent
  198. 01[23:43] <%Buffalo_Wing> if anyone has any substantive points lmk
  199. 02[23:58] * %Djinn (Djinn@SolidIRC-b5388f2c.dynamic.jazztel.es) Quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  200. 03[23:59] * Djinn (Djinn@SolidIRC-85651a2f.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #judges4you
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