Feminism is inappropriately projected to the society, that's the issue. It's not what a woman wears or how many persons she sleeps with. It's neither about liberal approach towards lifestyle. It's about women rising to situations and success against the adversities they face every day. It's about women contributing to the society in their own way, the ways in which men can't. Women are very important for mankind and society, and there is real feminism in this world. Just that they're not as such projected into the realms of the ideology
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore this implies some true womanhood™ that i think is more damaging than freeing
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore and can easily factor into fascist or pro-bourgeois narratives about the need for mothers and wives (and has been frequently like all the time in the last 100 years)
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore im not saying you dont necessarily have a radical take on above issues but would like clarification
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Subham Ray
Subham Ray For clarification, you don't think there's need for motherhood or womanhood in feminism?

If so called feminsts are to portray that they must be equal to men then they're implying that men are better than them, while the fact no gender is better than the other. They're just different, in terms of natural, social and cultural roles they play in their lives.

And it's farcical to think anything related to civilization or society is "freeing". We all are just bound by our social, cultural and economic programming. We all born into these loops of programming. So it's futile and comic to think that we humans as social beings can be "free".
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore the point is to change things not play semantics with facebook posts - and my issue is the role women have been forced into in families to play for the further continuance of capitalist production. I am absolutely against marriage in that sense - and your comments ignore the trans narrative along the gender spectrum its hard to argue for a natural role when you have to peel back so many layers of social discourse to even arrive at it. Just like there isn't anything special or deep about being gay etc.
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore and we should absolutely question the role culture has on building woman/malehood and how that can be damaging in itself - not just say lol none of us are free deal with what you got
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore your comment essedntially argues for a manufactured equilibrium as the only truth
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore im arguing for a complete negation of gender roles not some half assed subservience to them out of fear of its totality
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Subham Ray
Subham Ray No matter how much you question these, analyse these, criticise these. You will never be able to break the loops yourself unless you kill yourself. I would love to come back to you when you break the loop and free yourself from all these programmed scripture of lives.
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore your missing the point, arguing for its continuance is traditionalist speak that cant possibly create any new meaning in the world - this is what we got dont even question it
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore i think there could be a radical reading in there along the lines of - the hierarchies established are contradictory and ultimately inimical to its perseverance so by pushing it to its natural limits we will ultimately see its collapse

something along the lines of accelerate until it all breaks (id half agree w/ you)
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Subham Ray
Subham Ray So until we can't break the loops, we shall not be hypocritical and judge an aspect of life for falling in loops where everything and everyone else falls on.

I'm not against questioning anything. I myself question everything and I understand how all of these are mass hallucinations. But we can't escape it. That's the point. I understand that how the civilization has become a paradox of itself. But I can always mention loads of perks these programmed loops bring or is meant to bring in this world. I can make a huge list really. But that's not the point. The point is we should treat every aspect from equal perspective. If we ourselves can break free from these pre prescribed regimes of life, then that day I will gladly accept the points you want to portray.
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore yea and one day ill understand your crypto-traditionalist speak.
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore or actually fight for things
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Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore i cant tell if you see everything as static or you have some insane notion of dialectics where we just let that shit flow cuz we cant do anything about it.