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  1. I believe this needs some... context. Hopefully this post won't be censored any time soon; all the information available here was available publicly. I simply compiled it all into an easily readable format.
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  3. [quote][14:32] * God sets mode: +ao Karusune Karusune
  4. [14:32] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Karusune
  5. [14:32] <&Karusune> I think its worth it to make this public and to go ahead and lay this entirely out.
  6. [14:33] <&Karusune> The information you posted on doujinstyle.com is 100% one-sided and does not represent the scenario at all.
  7. [14:33] <&Karusune> From a technical and an accountability standpoint.
  8. [14:33] <&Karusune> or from a personal standpoint.
  9. [14:33] <&Karusune> Or even from a financial standpoint.
  10. [14:33] <&Karusune> It's like someone asked you a question on whitehouse.com's little questionnaire and you gave a safe answer to it without engaging the questioning behind what happened nor a sincere apology.
  11. [14:33] <&Karusune> That you actually did cause problems.
  12. [14:34] <&Karusune> That you were asked not to act on your own.
  13. [14:34] <&Karusune> That Kradorex and I worked DILIGENTLY to fix the problem.
  14. [14:34] <&Karusune> That we had a plan.
  15. [14:34] <&Karusune> That you fucked that up.
  16. [14:34] <&Karusune> Regardless of whether it could be undone
  17. [14:34] <&Karusune> You decided to go above us and decided to put things at risk.
  18. [14:34] <&Karusune> You admit you don't know much about databases.
  19. [14:34] <&Karusune> That's why Digibase HAS to help out.
  20. [14:34] <&Karusune> That's why KEIRO has spent time working on DoujinStyle.
  21. [14:34] <&Karusune> EidolonHost has provided the financial backing for DoujinStyle just to be trampled on during this incident.
  22. [14:35] <&Karusune> I'm not going to lie: DoujinStyle.com threatened Keiro's business and financial status.
  23. [14:35] <&Karusune> I would like to think in the last three months I have been the most understanding person.
  24. [14:36] <&Karusune> There are at least 10 times where I have had to calm down OTHER people over decisions you have made or things you have said or comments which have been taken out of context; and through all of that I would have thought I would have been given the benefit of the doubt that you would wait for Kradorex and I to finish fixing the issue.
  25. [14:36] <&Karusune> You actually made the situation worse.
  26. [14:36] <&Karusune> DoujinStyle.com now overloads the server when it starts.
  27. [14:36] <&Karusune> If you don't understand how your own forum software works, you're not certified to fix it.
  28. [14:36] <&Karusune> DoujinStyle.com is no longer just you.
  29. [14:36] <&Karusune> You're not a single person running the webite.
  30. [14:37] <&Karusune> From 2009 and onward, it became more than that.
  31. [14:37] <&Karusune> Hell, I would even say it's become something outside of your control beyond that.
  32. [14:37] <&Karusune> There are members that spend more time in a single section than you do on your entire website.
  33. [14:37] <&Karusune> There are staff members that spend time resolving issues.
  34. [14:37] <&Karusune> They talk to the people directly and figure out what is going on.
  35. [14:37] <&Karusune> CyanPrime?
  36. [14:37] <&Karusune> "I don't like that guy. ban him."
  37. [14:38] <&Karusune> I've given you a benefit of the doubt since 2006 and on.
  38. [14:38] <&Karusune> I was there at the beginning.
  39. [14:38] <&Karusune> I helped out a LOT with the website.
  40. [14:38] <&Karusune> Yes, you were the one that founded simulationstyle.
  41. [14:38] <&Karusune> You did a damn good job back.
  42. [14:38] <&Karusune> back then
  43. [14:38] <&Karusune> The website did thrive a bit, but nothing like it is now.
  44. [14:38] <&Karusune> And that is because of the COMMUNITY
  45. [14:39] <&Karusune> When you look at it that way, which you should have from the beginning, you would see that there is more at stake than yourself and your precious website.
  46. [14:39] <&Karusune> And your precious post count.
  47. [14:39] <&Karusune> You can see that there are people
  48. [14:39] <&Karusune> Real people
  49. [14:39] <&Karusune> being affected by the downtime.
  50. [14:39] <&Karusune> Kradorex understood that.
  51. [14:39] <&Karusune> Keiro understood that.
  52. [14:39] <&Karusune> I understood that.
  53. [14:39] <&Karusune> The admins understood that.
  54. [14:39] <&Karusune> The members understood that.
  55. [14:39] <&Karusune> For you to turn around and put everything at risk for something that I [b]DID[/b] tell you shouldn't happen...
  56. [14:39] <&Karusune> That was the last straw.
  57. [14:39] <&Karusune> [b]I DID TELL YOU NOT TO GO OFF AND DO THINGS ON YOUR OWN[/b]
  58. [14:40] <&Karusune> [b]I EVEN TOLD YOU THAT DELETING VIA IPB WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA[/b]
  59. [14:40] <&Karusune> [b]KRADOREX MENTIONED THAT IPB'S METHODS OF HANDLING THIS STUFF WAS ARCHAIC AT BEST[/b]
  60. [14:40] <&Karusune> [b]AND THAT OUR METHOD WAS GOING TO SUCCEED[/b]
  61. [14:40] <&Karusune> It was going to take testing and some time to figure things out.
  62. [14:40] <&Karusune> We had to make sure we didn't lose anything.
  63. [14:40] <&Karusune> The result was most likely another three years without problems.
  64. [14:40] <&Karusune> Or never any database problems ever again.
  65. [14:41] <&Karusune> When you went behind our back, I still took some time to try to figure out what happened.
  66. [14:41] <&Karusune> You seemed to be so happy that you succeeded in solving the issue
  67. [14:41] <&Karusune> When in reality your website was lagging the entire server.
  68. [14:41] <&Karusune> And you didn't really seem to show any concern from that perspective.
  69. [14:41] <&Karusune> You also didn't seem apologetic.
  70. [14:41] <&Karusune> You were too concerned about saving the day
  71. [14:41] <&Karusune> Rather than solving the issue.
  72. [14:41] <&Karusune> That, my friend, is what set this entire turn of events to start.
  73. [14:42] <&Karusune> You fail to realize and communicate that.
  74. [14:42] <&Karusune> It's not so much that you went around our back.
  75. [14:42] <&Karusune> It's not even so much that it didn't work.
  76. [14:42] <&Karusune> It's the fact that you don't seem to care
  77. [14:42] <&Karusune> And you never seem to care.
  78. [14:42] <&Karusune> There is no sense of accountability with you.
  79. [14:42] <&Karusune> I cannot trust you.
  80. [14:42] <&Karusune> I don't trust you.
  81. [14:42] <&Karusune> I am not sure if I can ever trust you.
  82. [14:42] <&Karusune> I used to.
  83. [14:42] <&Karusune> I've opened my eyes since then.
  84. [14:42] <&Karusune> I've realized that you don't even understand what your community really is about.
  85. [14:42] <&Karusune> Or what they want.
  86. [14:43] <&Karusune> Or what the website as a whole needs.
  87. [14:43] <&Karusune> You don't even know what kind of server it runs on
  88. [14:43] <&Karusune> Or the sacrifices made by Keiro and Kradorex in maintaining it.
  89. [14:43] <&Karusune> And the money lost there.
  90. [14:43] <&Karusune> And the time.
  91. [14:43] <&Karusune> You don't even acknowledge that.
  92. [14:43] <&Karusune> There's never really much of a thank you.
  93. [14:43] <&Karusune> "Digibase will take care of it."
  94. [14:43] <&Karusune> Fuck you.
  95. [14:44] <&Karusune> As far as DoujinStyle.com ever seeing Karusune come back to try to help again; it won't happen.
  96. [14:44] <&Karusune> Kradorex has made an official statement detracting any help for DoujinStyle as a result.
  97. [14:44] <&Karusune> Same with EidolonHost
  98. [14:44] <&Karusune> I don't like being used.
  99. [14:44] <&Karusune> Neither do they.
  100. [14:44] <&Karusune> And you never even tried to make it right.
  101. [14:44] <&Karusune> "We can still fix this!"
  102. [14:44] <&Karusune> Psh.
  103. [14:46] <+`> mfw
  104. [14:49] <+James_Bond> [url]http://sadtrombone.com/[/url]
  105. [/quote]
  106.  
  107. Now, what led up to this? Let's roll back a day or two...
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  109. [quote][01:49] <~holy|sleep> yo
  110. [01:49] <~holy|sleep> right
  111. [01:49] <~holy|sleep> Kradorex
  112. [01:49] <~holy|sleep> ds update?
  113. [01:49] <~holy|sleep> BNelsey
  114. [01:49] <+BNelsey> sup
  115. [01:49] <~holy|sleep> getting new pc monday
  116. [01:49] <~holy|sleep> ez
  117. [01:49] <+BNelsey> awsm
  118. [01:49] <+Aristocrat> Protip: DS would be up right now if you agreed to start anew
  119. [01:50] <+BNelsey> and the tablet i was talking about is now in stock ffffffff
  120. [01:50] <+Aristocrat> It's like the great purge of Soviet Russia
  121. [01:50] <+BNelsey> ^
  122. [01:50] <~holy|sleep> no
  123. [01:50] <+BNelsey> dem purges
  124. [01:50] <~holy|sleep> i am not starting a new
  125. [01:50] <~holy|sleep> me and karu figured it out
  126. [01:50] * holy|sleep is now known as holy
  127. [01:50] <+BNelsey> wat
  128. [01:50] <~holy> bring it all back
  129. [01:50] <~holy> except tms
  130. [01:50] <~holy> tms starts a new
  131. [01:50] <~holy> ez
  132. [01:50] <+Keiro> ...
  133. [01:50] * +Keiro winces whilst his soul screams in agony
  134. [01:50] <~holy> keiro
  135. [01:50] <~holy> me and karu talked about this
  136. [01:50] <~holy> for ages
  137. [01:51] <+Aristocrat> KeiroScreamWalker
  138. [01:51] <~holy> last night
  139. [01:51] <+Razlo> You might wanna start some page caps or this is gonna happen all over again
  140. [01:51] <~holy> basically
  141. [01:51] <~holy> this is what happens
  142. [01:51] <~holy> bring it all back, except mental shift
  143. [01:51] <+BNelsey> basically, balls
  144. [01:51] <+Aristocrat> Page caps do nothing, Razlo
  145. [01:51] <~holy> then i get a prune too
  146. [01:51] <+Aristocrat> On every forum with a page cap that I've been to
  147. [01:51] <~holy> every month it will delete dead topics in TMS
  148. [01:51] <+Razlo> How don't they?
  149. [01:51] <+Aristocrat> people just make v2 of the same thread
  150. [01:51] <+Aristocrat> and link to the previous one
  151. [01:51] <~holy> every month it will delete dead topics in TMS
  152. [01:51] <~holy> every month it will delete dead topics in TMS
  153. [01:51] <~holy> every month it will delete dead topics in TMS
  154. [01:51] <~holy> every month it will delete dead topics in TMS
  155. [01:51] <~holy> done
  156. [01:51] <+BNelsey> ^ do not want
  157. [01:51] <~holy> well thats how its gotta be
  158. [01:52] <+Razlo> What constitutes a "dead topic"?
  159. [01:52] <+BNelsey> oh wait, it's a dead topic anyway lol
  160. [01:52] <~holy> no replies
  161. [01:52] <~holy> in like
  162. [01:52] <~holy> 10 days
  163. [01:52] <+BNelsey> so pretty much, all the huge threads will be alive forevaaaaaaaaa
  164. [01:52] <~holy> no
  165. [01:52] <~holy> or
  166. [01:52] <+BNelsey> which means the problem is not solved :D
  167. [01:52] <+Aristocrat> I've seen someone actually pull off a "100000 posts" thread on a forum that capped to 50 pages of 20 posts each
  168. [01:52] <~holy> threads with less than 20 posts
  169. [01:52] <~holy> get deleted
  170. [01:52] <~holy> every month
  171. [01:52] <~holy> in the mental shift
  172. [01:52] <~holy> done
  173. [01:52] <+BNelsey> what about the large threads, the actual source of the problem ffff
  174. [01:52] <~holy> i really cannot fathom why
  175. [01:52] <+Aristocrat> The OP was a gigantic mess of links to V1, V2, V3 etc.
  176. [01:52] <~holy> this is so fucking
  177. [01:52] <~holy> difficult
  178. [01:53] <~holy> hey keiro
  179. [01:53] <~holy> you do realise all we had to do was like delete maybe
  180. [01:53] <~holy> 5 threads
  181. [01:53] <+Razlo> I was under the impression page caps dumped topics that got pushed all the way to the back
  182. [01:53] <~holy> and we would be ok now
  183. [01:53] <+BNelsey> ^ 5 threads
  184. [01:53] <~holy> lolllllllll
  185. [01:53] <~holy> SHUT DOWN FORUM
  186. [01:53] <~holy> MAKE ARCHIVE
  187. [01:53] <+Aristocrat> Holynotunderstandingthesituation.jpg
  188. [01:53] <~holy> RESTRUCTURE DB
  189. [01:53] <+BNelsey> YEAY
  190. [01:53] <~holy> anyway whatever idk man
  191. [01:54] <~holy> me and karu figured it out
  192. [01:54] <+BNelsey> tldr that's not as easy as it should be because invision sux
  193. [01:54] <~holy> what deleting threads?
  194. [01:54] <+BNelsey> nope
  195. [01:54] <+BNelsey> the balls
  196. [01:54] <~holy> ok
  197. [01:54] <+Aristocrat> It's a bit more complicated than that
  198. [01:54] <+BNelsey> yep
  199. [01:54] <~holy> who is Aristocrat
  200. [01:54] <+Razlo> Animu Rule 142: Band-aids heal everything
  201. [01:54] <~holy> is he on my forum
  202. [01:54] <+BNelsey> he's the guy that hangs out in the computer section
  203. [01:54] <~holy> oh ok
  204. [01:54] <+BNelsey> also: hi
  205. [01:55] <+Aristocrat> holy you never read the computers section so you are never graced by my aristocratic presence ;_;
  206. [01:55] <~holy> ok i see members are brought back over thats cool
  207. [01:55] <~holy> ok
  208. [01:55] <~holy> ok i see members are brought back over thats cool
  209. [01:55] <+BNelsey> roflmao
  210. [01:55] <+BNelsey> i like the computers section
  211. [01:55] <+Keiro> 98% of them don't post.
  212. [01:55] <~holy> keiro
  213. [01:55] <~holy> can i get a ds update please
  214. [01:55] <~holy> whats going on with it right now
  215. [01:55] <+Keiro> I'm not the one handling the database stuff.
  216. [01:55] <+Aristocrat> "DS is down right now because of holy"
  217. [01:55] <~holy> ok who is
  218. [01:55] <+Keiro> Karusune.
  219. [01:55] <+Aristocrat> is what I assume is happening
  220. [01:56] <~holy> right where is that karu
  221. [01:56] <+Keiro> Aristocrat: That too.
  222. [01:56] <+Razlo> He's probably asleep
  223. [01:56] <~holy> wait
  224. [01:56] <~holy> ds is down because of me
  225. [01:56] <~holy> ok then
  226. [01:56] <~holy> no its because your server cant handle sql
  227. [01:56] <+Keiro> He usually is asleep and won't be awake for probably another 40 minutes to an hour.
  228. [01:56] <~holy> tired of getting blamed tbh
  229. [01:56] <~holy> when i havent even done anything
  230. [01:56] <+Aristocrat> Build your own server that runs DS fine then
  231. [01:57] <~holy> keiros server is sick
  232. [01:57] <+Keiro> Doubt he'd be able to.
  233. [01:57] <~holy> well i thought it was anyway
  234. [01:57] <~holy> thats the impression i had
  235. [01:58] <~holy> i still dont get why we couldnt just delete super large topics...
  236. [01:58] <~holy> i would have gone through and deleted loads of stuff
  237. [01:59] <~holy> omfg
  238. [01:59] <~holy> keiro
  239. [01:59] <~holy> KEIRO
  240. [01:59] <~holy> i can fix ds man
  241. [01:59] <~holy> dude put the db back
  242. [01:59] <~holy> i can do this
  243. [02:00] <+Aristocrat> inb4 DS implodes and creates a micro-blackhole sucking up all our data
  244. [02:00] <~holy> no
  245. [02:00] <~holy> im not joking
  246. [02:00] <~holy> keiro can you please put the database back
  247. [02:00] <~holy> i will sort out all topics and free up tons of sql space
  248. [02:00] <+Aristocrat> Commence head + table mating ritual
  249. [02:00] <+BNelsey> unrelated: srsly that new invision AJAX thingy for posting images sucks on slow internet
  250. [02:01] <+Keiro> Okay, [url]http://serv.eidolonhost.com/phpsysinfo[/url]
  251. [02:01] <~holy> keiro can you please put the database back
  252. [02:01] <~holy> i will sort out all topics and free up tons of sql space
  253. [02:01] <+Keiro> The database is all there. o_o
  254. [02:01] <~holy> no
  255. [02:01] <~holy> look keiro
  256. [02:01] <+BNelsey> ^
  257. [02:01] <~holy> [url=http://www.doujinstyle.com]www.doujinstyle.com[/url]
  258. [02:01] <~holy> yeah nice posts here
  259. [02:01] <~holy> can you please put the db back
  260. [02:01] <+BNelsey> lol
  261. [02:01] <+Keiro> It's at archives.doujinstyle.com, mang.
  262. [02:01] <~holy> yeah
  263. [02:01] <~holy> wanna know whats funny about that keiro
  264. [02:01] <~holy> i cant login to that
  265. [02:02] <+Keiro> Try archives.doujinstyle.com/admin
  266. [02:02] <+BNelsey> holy you can also get rid of maintenance mode in your admin panel lol
  267. [02:02] <+Keiro> :U
  268. [02:02] <~holy> dude
  269. [02:02] <~holy> im not joking
  270. [02:02] <~holy> i have actually
  271. [02:02] <~holy> got this
  272. [02:02] <+BNelsey> sup mei
  273. [02:02] <+Keiro> You have access to your account, don't you? e.e
  274. [02:02] <~holy> keiro
  275. [02:02] <+BNelsey> just don't delete anything in download haven :D
  276. [02:02] <~holy> this is fucked up man
  277. [02:02] <+Keiro> You can edit the SQL through the login info you have.
  278. [02:02] <~holy> i logged in
  279. [02:02] <~holy> [url]http://puu.sh/deZA[/url]
  280. [02:02] <~holy> lol ok then
  281. [02:02] <+BNelsey> ACCESS GRANTED
  282. [02:02] * Retrieving #doujinstyle modes...
  283. [02:02] <~holy> dude christ
  284. [02:02] <~holy> can i just get it working normally please
  285. [02:02] <+BNelsey> you getting haxor'd
  286. [02:02] <~holy> i can fix this
  287. [02:02] <~holy> right now
  288. [02:03] <~holy> yeah this database is fucked up
  289. [02:03] <~holy> anyway cool site has exploded
  290. [02:03] <~holy> something i could have actually sorted out
  291. [02:03] <~holy> in like
  292. [02:03] <~holy> an hour
  293. [02:20] <+Aristocrat> Hey Shippou, can you please do something about not posting your fapping habits in tMS every week
  294. [02:20] <+Aristocrat> I mean come on
  295. [02:20] <+Aristocrat> TMI
  296. [02:20] <+Keiro> LOL
  297. [02:20] <+Keiro> Sorry, but I thought that funny.
  298. [02:21] <~holy> keiro
  299. [02:21] <~holy> pm
  300. [02:21] <~holy> lol who ha sjust like
  301. [02:21] <~holy> totally sorted the site out
  302. [02:21] <~holy> ez
  303. [02:21] <~holy> like the easiest shit i have ever done
  304. [02:22] <~holy> keiro
  305. [02:24] <~holy> oh man where did keiro go
  306. [02:28] <+Razlo> You say it's easy but then again it's your site. You can throw out whatever you want. Sometimes it's not so easy for others who're on the spot because they can't toss what they want
  307. [02:28] <~holy> razlo
  308. [02:28] <~holy> i have just
  309. [02:28] <~holy> fixed the site
  310. [02:28] <~holy> plz
  311. [02:29] <~holy> that actually took me
  312. [02:29] <~holy> 10 minutes
  313. [02:29] <~holy> lol
  314. [02:29] <~holy> i have no idea why we had to do all this
  315. [02:29] <~holy> and have it down for 3 days
  316. [02:29] <~holy> i have deleted like 700k+ posts
  317. [02:29] <~holy> thats already bought us a year
  318. [02:29] <~holy> to set up a pruning system
  319. [02:29] <+Razlo> Yeah, and when it all went down, I was there when Keiro spent five and a half hours repairing corrupted databases
  320. [02:30] <+Razlo> 10 minutes for you, 630 for him
  321. [02:30] <+Razlo> 330, wrong finger twitched
  322. [02:30] <~holy> ok it isnt my fault the db was corrupt though
  323. [02:30] <~holy> anyway
  324. [02:30] <~holy> i appreciate all of that anyway
  325. [02:30] <~holy> but i have just deleted like
  326. [02:30] <~holy> tons of stuff
  327. [02:30] <~holy> to make the SQL ok again
  328. [02:31] <+Razlo> You have that authorization  because it's [b]your[/b] site. Can you say you wouldn't have been mad if Keiro did it himself without your permission?
  329. [02:31] <~holy> no i wouldnt be mad
  330. [02:31] <~holy> why would i be mad
  331. [02:31] <+kog> <~holy> have sex with flying hat lolis
  332. [02:31] <+kog> ALL THIS ANIME
  333. [02:32] <+Razlo> You got mad when Keiro created a subforum that could easily be deleted
  334. [02:32] <~holy> oh god razlo
  335. [02:32] <~holy> gimme a break man
  336. [02:32] <~holy> i really do not care
  337. [02:32] <~holy> about what you have to say
  338. [02:32] <~holy> right now
  339. [02:33] <+Razlo> Suit yourself
  340. [02:33] <~holy> this ha snothing
  341. [02:33] <~holy> to do with you
  342. [02:33] <~holy> it isnt your site
  343. [02:33] <~holy> you just idle in irc
  344. [02:34] <+Razlo> If that's what you want to believe
  345. [02:34] <~holy> yeah
  346. [02:34] <~holy> i just dont need you right now
  347. [02:34] <~holy> going on about stuff
  348. [02:34] <~holy> just shut up
  349. [02:34] <~holy> christ
  350. [02:35] <+Razlo> Don't lay your hangups on me
  351. [02:35] <~holy> well stay out of stuff
  352. [02:35] <~holy> that doesnt concern you
  353. [02:35] <+Razlo> When I help out the guys who deal with the technical shit for your site, the shit you opt out of, it mildly does concern me
  354. [02:36] <+Razlo> So chill out
  355. [02:36] <~holy> ugh
  356. [02:36] <~holy> like what
  357. [02:36] <~holy> ok then razlo if you wanna help out
  358. [02:36] <~holy> make archives.doujinstyle.com
  359. [02:36] <~holy> the main site again
  360. [02:36] <+Razlo> I'd put it to you to do that
  361. [02:37] <~holy> yeah i would if i knew what site was using what db
  362. [02:37] <~holy> theres 6 databases here
  363. [02:37] <~holy> i dont know which is which
  364. [02:37] <~holy> and keiro has disappeared
  365. [02:37] <+Keiro> Old site: doujinst_invision
  366. [02:37] <+Keiro> new site: doujinst_forums
  367. [02:37] <~holy> keiro
  368. [02:37] <~holy> ive fixed ds
  369. [02:37] <~holy> please put it back to normal if you can
  370. [02:37] <+Keiro> and fyi, I'm making food.
  371. [02:37] <~holy> ok
  372. [02:38] <~holy> just need archives.doujinstyle.com to be doujinstyle.com
  373. [02:38] <~holy> too worried to delete anything
  374. [02:39] <~holy> so yeah keiro can you just put it back please, ive bought us like a year
  375. [04:13] <~holy> razlo
  376. [04:14] <~holy> Kradorex
  377. [04:14] <~holy> keiro
  378. [04:14] <~holy> someone
  379. [04:18] <~holy> KEIRO
  380. [04:18] <~holy> KEIRO
  381. [04:18] <~holy> KEIRO
  382. [04:18] <~holy> KEIRO
  383. [04:18] <~holy> KEIRO
  384. [04:18] <~holy> KEIRO
  385. [04:18] <~holy> oh man
  386. [04:18] <~holy> fuck sake
  387. [04:20] <~holy> ok
  388. [04:20] <~holy> ds is back up
  389. [04:57] <~holy> pruning
  390. [04:57] <~holy> i iwll manually prune stuff
  391. [04:57] <~holy> each year
  392. [04:57] <~holy> so ez
  393. [05:11] <~holy> karu
  394. [05:12] <+Karusune> ?
  395. [05:13] <~holy> fixed
  396. [05:13] <~holy> so ez
  397. [05:13] <+Karusune> I know
  398. [05:17] <~holy> karu
  399. [05:17] <~holy> wnana know how i did it?
  400. [05:18] <~holy> >mental shift
  401. [05:18] <~holy> >sort by most replies
  402. [05:18] <~holy> >delete
  403. [05:18] <~holy> haha
  404. [05:18] <~holy> ezpz
  405. [05:19] <~holy> delete like 700k posts
  406. [05:20] <+Karusune> Wait, which database are we now using?
  407. [05:24] <~holy> invision
  408. [05:24] <~holy> like always
  409. [05:24] <~holy> the main one
  410. [05:24] <+Karusune> So basically
  411. [05:24] <+Karusune> You fucked everything up
  412. [05:25] <+Karusune> and we'll be back where we are shortly.
  413. [05:25] <~holy> no
  414. [05:25] <~holy> fixed
  415. [05:25] <+Karusune> Cool.
  416. [05:25] <+Karusune> Nope. Not fixed
  417. [05:25] <~holy> no we wont
  418. [05:25] <+Karusune> I fucking give up.
  419. [05:25] <~holy> i deleted 700k posts
  420. [05:25] <~holy> =/
  421. [05:25] <+Karusune> We still have a bad database
  422. [05:25] <+Karusune> THAT'S THE ISSUE
  423. [05:25] <~holy> ok whats bad about it
  424. [05:25] <+Karusune> No. I'm done with this.
  425. [05:25] <+Karusune> You're an idiot.
  426. [05:26] * +Karusune (me@hmask-315A97.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has left #doujinstyle
  427. [05:26] <~holy> lol
  428. [05:26] <~holy> what
  429. [05:26] <~holy> Kradorex why is the database bad?[/quote]
  430.  
  431. [quote][06:49] <+KeiroD> After much consideration and such... I have come to a decision in regards to Doujinstyle. Members of Doujinstyle may get their posts and the like from us as a goodwill gesture from us here at EidolonHost. For the owner, holy: We are offering you three options from which you can choose: Option 1. Get a Dedicated Server from us. Approximately $140 without cPanel, $170 with. Option 2. Choose
  432. [06:49] <+KeiroD> to lose the contents of your site and/or account, or transfer site to us. (This includes full domain transfer) Option 3. Pay $50 immediately or at your convenience when you can afford such a backup; and we terminate your account immediately after backup is completed and store your account backup in a place where you and you alone can reach said backup.[/quote]
  433.  
  434. [quote][18:54] <~holy> yo
  435. [18:54] <~holy> oh yeah its a forum where everyone there hates me like for some reason
  436. [18:55] <+Shippou> So Doujinstyle is dead now?
  437. [18:55] <~holy> no
  438. [18:55] <+Shippou> Oh so scattared is just a temporary place for us to be in?
  439. [18:56] <+Konata> you can stay there for good if you want
  440. [18:56] <+Konata> it's not going down if DS goes back up
  441. [18:56] <+Shippou> =w=
  442. [18:56] <+Konata> :£c
  443. [18:56] <+Konata> :3c
  444. [18:56] <+Shippou> Well at least it has big avatars
  445. [18:59] <+Keiro> Lol
  446. [19:00] <+Keiro> ScatteredHorizon is a community with an open focus. By that, I mean it is meant to be a community where everyone feels welcome. So far, it seems to be the case.
  447. [19:00] <~holy> yeah
  448. [19:00] <~holy> ok then
  449. [19:01] <~holy> like no one felt welcome on DS =/
  450. [19:01] <+Kirei> but there is no DS
  451. [19:01] <+Kirei> :V
  452. [19:01] <+Hira> don't really think he said that at all .-.
  453. [19:02] <+Kirei> holy
  454. [19:02] <+Kirei> no one is trying to compete with you
  455. [19:02] <~holy> kirei
  456. [19:02] <+Keiro> ScatteredHorizon's not looking to compete with DS.
  457. [19:02] <~holy> it does not bother me, people can sue what they like
  458. [19:02] <~holy> yeha ok keiro
  459. [19:02] <~holy> take more of my members
  460. [19:03] <~holy> oh btw i need to ask
  461. [19:03] <+Kirei> YOUR members?
  462. [19:03] <~holy> whats optyion 2 all about
  463. [19:03] <+Kirei> are you being serious right now
  464. [19:03] <~holy> give my site to you?
  465. [19:03] <~holy> hows that work then
  466. [19:03] <+Keiro> I didn't think you'd choose option 2. :x
  467. [19:03] <~holy> lol
  468. [19:03] <~holy> course not
  469. [19:03] <~holy> think id ever give my site
  470. [19:03] <~holy> to you?
  471. [19:04] <+Keiro> However, if you noticed, I said you can choose to lose the site, or transfer it to us. Meaning you can choose to lose all the data, or let us keep the data and domain.
  472. [19:04] <~holy> but option 3 is
  473. [19:04] <~holy> you give me my database
  474. [19:04] <~holy> ?
  475. [19:05] <+Keiro> Or if you don't want to lose the data, and you choose option 3, you get the entire cPanel backup so you can ask any cPanel provider to restore your account for you.
  476. [19:05] <~holy> i can download the raw .sql right?
  477. [19:05] <+Keiro> You can, though that's not necessary with a full cPanel backup.
  478. [19:05] <~holy> ok but
  479. [19:05] <~holy> i would like the raw .sql
  480. [19:05] <~holy> if i was to choose
  481. [19:05] <~holy> that option
  482. [19:06] <+Keiro> Sure, we can do that for you.
  483. [19:06] <~holy> i would also like some stats on my site
  484. [19:06] <~holy> i would like to know how much ram it takes up
  485. [19:06] <~holy> and how much bandwidth it uses
  486. [19:06] <~holy> per month
  487. [19:07] <+Keiro> This is directly off the statistics:
  488. [19:07] <+Keiro> Disk Space Usage       19057.65 / ∞ MB
  489. [19:07] <+Keiro> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer     41685.87 / ∞ MB
  490. [19:07] <+Keiro> MySQL Disk Space       7456.06 MB
  491. [19:08] <~holy> how much ram doe smy website use
  492. [19:08] <+Keiro> ie, you're using 19GB disk space, roughly 41GB on a monthly basis, not counting Comiket, and you're using 7GB of MySQL space, comprising of 3 dbs containing 2GB at minimum.
  493. [19:08] <~holy> ok and how much ram
  494. [19:08] <~holy> does my site use
  495. [19:09] <+Lioncash> I think ram would have to be "ballparked", then again, I'm not a sysadmin so I'm just guessing
  496. [19:09] <+Keiro> Since it's dynamically allocated, typically the RAM usage is anywhere between 2GB to just under 8GB.
  497. [19:10] <+Keiro> The server's RAM is consistently always in use.
  498. [19:10] <~holy> by what
  499. [19:10] <~holy> everyone else?
  500. [19:10] <~holy> or just me
  501. [19:10] <+Lioncash> everyone else
  502. [19:10] <+Keiro> Most of the server's usage comes from holy's site.
  503. [19:11] <~holy> and whats making it take up so much ram
  504. [19:11] <~holy> is it the amount of posts that are made
  505. [19:11] <+Razlo> Activity and traffic
  506. [19:11] <+Kradorex> the RAM is taken up by the execution of IPB.
  507. [19:11] <+Razlo> It has to load it all into RAM every time a page is requested
  508. [19:12] <+Kradorex> every time someone connects to your site, IPB, the forum software is executed seperately for them
  509. [19:12] <+Keiro> Every other client site I look at in each account on the server, I see drastic differences between their statistics and yours.
  510. [19:12] <+Kradorex> e.g. if 30 people connect at once, that's 30 times the forum software is running at once
  511. [19:12] <~holy> lets say it was a clean site
  512. [19:12] <+Kradorex> until the page is completed loading for each of them
  513. [19:12] <+Keiro> For example, let's take a client that has just as much, if not more space than you do.
  514. [19:12] <~holy> and 1 person loaded up IPB
  515. [19:12] <~holy> how much ram would it take up
  516. [19:12] <~holy> for just that 1 person
  517. [19:12] <+Keiro> Disk Space Usage       5848.63 / ∞ MB
  518. [19:12] <+Keiro> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer     32348.78 / ∞ MB
  519. [19:13] <+Keiro> MySQL Disk Space       24.9 MB
  520. [19:13] <+Keiro> That's 5GB disk space, 30GB transfer, and... 24MB of MySQL.
  521. [19:13] <~holy> alright so just 1 load of IPB will take up how much ram, roughly?
  522. [19:14] <+Keiro> Probably /considerably/ less than your old DB. When I set it up, the SQL was sitting just under 70MB.
  523. [19:14] <+Kradorex> I'd say a clean IPB would take up 50 to 150 MB RAM depending on the features enabled.
  524. [19:14] <+Kradorex> per user
  525. [19:14] <+Kradorex> perhaps less depending
  526. [19:15] <+Kradorex> but no less than 20
  527. [19:15] <~holy> does it make a difference what size the sql is either?
  528. [19:15] <~holy> like will it take up more ram
  529. [19:15] <~holy> if its a db like it is now
  530. [19:15] <~holy> or a clean db
  531. [19:15] <+Kradorex> but that'd be IPB itself, that wouldn't be SQL RAM
  532. [19:15] <+Kradorex> SQL is managed by a seperate service from the webserver/forum software
  533. [19:16] <+Kradorex> so any numbers of "IPB" would be added on top of SQL usage
  534. [19:18] <+Keiro> A clean IPB install has a dramatic difference from one that's loaded down.
  535. [19:18] <+Keiro> Also, a clean install of any other forum software but IPB also has dramatic difference from IPB itself.
  536. [19:18] <+Kradorex> also, principally...
  537. [19:18] <+Keiro> whatever IPB's doing... they're not doing very good. O_o;
  538. [19:20] <+Kradorex> If you have two seperate servers with the exact same setup with the exact same database, with the same sort of software, it is possible for one software to take up more resources than the other through how it talks to the database
  539. [19:23] <+Kradorex> [19:15:40] :://~holy > does it make a difference what size the sql is either?
  540. [19:23] <+Kradorex> [19:15:46] :://~holy > like will it take up more ram
  541. [19:23] <+Kradorex> A larger database will always require more RAM
  542. [19:24] <~holy> oh btw
  543. [19:24] <~holy> when i deleted them topics
  544. [19:24] <~holy> i was gonna delete them from trash
  545. [19:24] <~holy> couldnt locate it though
  546. [19:24] <+Kradorex> That issue is a well-beaten horse at this point.
  547. [19:25] <~holy> yeah
  548. [19:25] <~holy> because i deleted topics
  549. [19:27] <+Kradorex> The only thing I'm going to say to that is this: If you left the forum software offline and did "behind the scenes" work, and didn't make it available again to users, the impact of the change would have been a lot less. It was the fact the forum software was reactivated that caused the mess.
  550. [19:27] <~holy> ok didnt know that
  551. [19:27] <+Kradorex> But that's all I'm saying.
  552. [20:31] <+Keiro> In any case... when you're ready, let me know which options you wish to take.
  553. [20:31] <+Keiro> @ holy[/quote]
  554.  
  555. The rest was history.
  556.  
  557. Further reading:
  558. [url=http://pastebin.com/LwR5i2wX][1][/url]
  559. [url=http://doujinstyle.com/archive/index.php?/forum-3/announcement-38-recent-server-issues/][2][/url] ([url=http://shattered-tears.com/the-doujinstyle-fiasco/]mirror[/url])
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