midair.pug drama

[18:19] <panzram> is dare not allowed to play pu's with you elite midair players?
[18:19] <panzram> or is miri keeping his ban permanent?
[18:19] <DAEMAN> dare got banned? wtf
[18:19] <DAEMAN> !del
[18:19] <@Xenia> DAEMAN has abandoned all queues.
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[18:20] <DAEMAN> !add
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[18:20] <panzram> ya it says hes banned by miri in the irc channel ban list
[18:21] <DAEMAN> and his numerous aliases
[18:21] <@Melur> what gives you the impression that this channel is elite
[18:22] <+thecaptaint> ya people like _moose get to play pugs
[18:22] <+thecaptaint> and he is next level bad
[18:22] <panzram> idk banning people from playing pus seems pretty elitist in alpha of a game
[18:22] <@Melur> ok bc this channel is the polar opposite of elite
[18:23] <@Melur> you come across as a total moron when you use that word
[18:23] <panzram> well is dare banned or not?
[18:23] <@Melur> what does it look like
[18:23] <panzram> it says miri has his ip banned from the channel
[18:23] <@Melur> dare is better than 90% of the ppl in here
[18:23] <+boris`smalls> tbh him being banned hasnt ever stopped him from coming anywhere, hes a real fighter
[18:23] <@Melur> how is banning him elitism
[18:24] <+boris`smalls> a true spiritual warrior
[18:24] <@Melur> he most likely got banned for either more death threats or more doxxing
[18:24] <panzram> seems like a bad community dynamic to ban ppl from pus
[18:24] <+boris`smalls> imo
[18:24] <@Melur> if he can grow out of that childish nonsense he is welcome to pug
[18:24] <panzram> i cant recall the last time ive seen someone banned from competitive pus
[18:24] <@Melur> even when it's worse for everyone involved when people play without a mic
[18:24] <DAEMAN> I can't recall the last time someone was as insane and prevalent as dare in a gaming community
[18:24] <panzram> idk mabel is pretty up there
[18:25] <@jp> !add
[18:25] <panzram> and the goons that follow him
[18:25] <@jp> !add 3
[18:25] <+fyr> replace the us east server jahman
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[18:25] <DAEMAN> lol he's a dev tho and hasn't doxxed anyone
[18:25] <+fyr> its fucked
[18:25] <DAEMAN> afaik
[18:25] <_Moose> hello
[18:25] <+fyr> !finish
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[18:25] <+fyr> !add 3
[18:25] <panzram> who did dare dox
[18:25] <+Giohm> !add 3
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[18:25] <DAEMAN> !add
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[18:25] <_Moose> !add
[18:25] <DAEMAN> !status
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[18:25] <_Moose> !add 3
[18:25] <@jp> !add
[18:25] <@jp> !add 3
[18:25] <+fyr> well dare wasn't adding to pugs tbh
[18:25] <panzram> so you banned him
[18:25] <@Implosions> !add 3
[18:25] <DAEMAN> he was adding to drama and insanity
[18:26] <DAEMAN> so....
[18:26] <DAEMAN> ya
[18:26] <+fyr> he was just talking his usual nonsense bullshit
[18:26] <@miri> he was banned because any time he's in here he just spams inane, nonsensical bullshit
[18:26] <+boris`smalls> since when does dare need a white knight anyway lmao
[18:26] <panzram> is this like face sitting being illegal in the uk
[18:26] <DAEMAN> this is like you
[18:26] <DAEMAN> being an idiot
[18:26] <DAEMAN> and not getting it
[18:26] <panzram> uh oh sounds like someone is pot calling the kettle black
[18:26] <alksefuhasldkfh> hail satan
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[18:26] <+fyr> i don't really agree with the ban tbh, i think dare would be fine and is a chill dude
[18:26] <@Xenia> Users have been randomized into queue
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[18:26] <@Xenia> Users have been randomized into queue
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[18:26] <+fyr> if he didnt type so much shit
[18:26] <@miri> + it's quite obviously just you panzram lmao
[18:26] <DAEMAN> have you read his manifesto?
[18:26] <panzram> dare ran t1 pus for a decade
[18:26] <DAEMAN> or his tinfoil hat nonsense ?
[18:27] <@Melur> shit somebody in here being edgy so esprit had to step it up
[18:27] <panzram> i dont think hes the one starting the drama here
[18:27] <panzram> i think its threatened sponsorship players
[18:27] <+boris`smalls> dont think hail satan is considered edgy anymore
[18:27] <DAEMAN> if someone can't stfu and not just spew inane BS every time they appear...that'd be coool
[18:27] <+fyr> he's not?
[18:27] <+fyr> he's just fricking annoying
[18:27] <@Melur> you are an idiot panzram
[18:27] <panzram> well thank u for dealing with me so politely
[18:27] <panzram> i can see why people love the midair community
[18:27] <+fyr> lol
[18:28] <+fyr> who are you
[18:28] <+boris`smalls> this is the elitist pug community
[18:28] <+boris`smalls> not the midair community
[18:28] <+boris`smalls> tbch
[18:28] <panzram> im the ghost of carl panzram
[18:28] <@miri> for someone who's already schizo panzram you're pretty bad at pretending to be someone else
[18:28] <DAEMAN> have you been here for his nonsense? have you read his rants? have you had to deal with it?
[18:28] <IcedWinds> can we add please
[18:28] <+boris`smalls> midair community plays base
[18:28] <panzram> boris when have we ever had attitude like this in t1?
[18:28] <panzram> lol
[18:28] <panzram> it smells of emasculated and threatened boys
[18:28] <+boris`smalls> idk idgaf tbch
[18:28] <StorkSooFly> if panz aint dare hes meph
[18:28] <DAEMAN> cuz yes the game's community needs someone ranting about how
[18:29] <DAEMAN> private investors
[18:29] <DAEMAN> and shadow money
[18:29] <+boris`smalls> internet is internet who cares
[18:29] <DAEMAN> are ruining the game
[18:29] <DAEMAN> that's GREAT
[18:29] <+thecaptaint> has to be meph
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[18:29] <panzram> well maybe if you were all nicer and more transparent and honest there wouldnt be an easy in for those kinds of discussions
[18:29] <+fyr> idk i have problems with this community but not being welcoming is not one of them
[18:29] <DAEMAN> there isn't an easy in
[18:29] <DAEMAN> it's strupid and cringey
[18:29] <panzram> no need to meet people that want to pu in ur community with bans when u disagree with them
[18:29] <DAEMAN> and complete nonsense
[18:29] <+fyr> if you want to learn how to play this is the place to be
[18:29] <+thecaptaint> community is boosted imo
[18:29] <+fyr> /ban thecaptaint
[18:30] <+boris`smalls> idgaf about these ppl
[18:30] <+fyr> stfu tea
[18:30] <panzram> idk i dont really want to be here with the insults daeman and melur are calling me
[18:30] <+boris`smalls> they can all die in a fire
[18:30] <+thecaptaint> i hate couches
[18:30] <panzram> and if theyre banning dare for being dare how will they handle anyone else from t1
[18:30] <DAEMAN> I just told you you are being stupid
[18:30] <@miri> dare was in PUs, he was fine for a while and then he went on his usual tirades that no one wants to deal with so he was banned once, then he came back, happened again
[18:30] <+fyr> awwww do you need a cuddle panzram
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[18:30] <@miri> repeat ad nauseum
[18:30] <panzram> very round about explanation miri
[18:30] <@miri> no one wants or needs to put up with his literally insane shit
[18:30] <panzram> what did dare do exactly to this pu community
[18:30] <DAEMAN> for talking about someone's ban who you weren't involved in
[18:30] <+fyr> also the only people who play t1 are 'vets' who are all old and don't want to change their ways
[18:31] <panzram> lots of new people play t1
[18:31] <@miri> well since it's literally you, you should know
[18:31] <+fyr> couple of exceptions
[18:31] <panzram> it averages a higher player average than midair
[18:31] <IcedWinds> why do yall even speak to this guy?
[18:31] <DAEMAN> omg.
[18:31] <+fyr> t1 isn't really the target demographic here lets be honest
[18:31] <panzram> o okay
[18:31] <IcedWinds> he's talking like he doesn't know who he's talking about
[18:31] <+boris`smalls> im old and i hope all of u choke on something
[18:31] <panzram> well if thats true fyr
[18:31] <+boris`smalls>  a cock preferably
[18:31] <panzram> i can get it
[18:31] <@miri> * Added *!*erherheh@149.255.32.227 to ignore list
[18:31] <panzram> maybe its a game for ta people
[18:31] <@miri> good point IcedWinds
[18:31] <panzram> but if its not for t1 people the marketing team should say that
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[18:32] <Ravesty> !status
[18:32] <+fyr> no its a game for people who don't want a 1 to 1 clone of t1
[18:32] <DAEMAN> oh my god. What fucking kind of game would it take for you t1-cuddling fuckwits to finally stop navel-gazing
[18:32] <panzram> idk one without ragers running the pu community might be good
[18:32] <IcedWinds> if i had control, dare woulda been banned for mass spamming forums, replying to EVERY SINGLE POST in EVERY THREAD with his opinion
[18:32] <DAEMAN> seriously
[18:32] <panzram> better one person do the talking than an entire forum rally against ur game like they did t:a
[18:32] <DAEMAN> all I ever fucking hear from you people is NOT GOOD LIKE T1 CUZ IDK REASONS
[18:32] <+fyr> hold on
[18:32] <+Giohm> !del
[18:32] <@Xenia> Giohm has abandoned all queues.
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[18:32] <+boris`smalls> lets stop generalizing
[18:32] <IcedWinds> Daeman, thjat's all you'll ever hear
[18:32] <@jp> !del
[18:32] <@Xenia> jp has abandoned all queues.
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[18:32] <IcedWinds> T2 was the same
[18:32] <+fyr> t1 has some good things going for it that midair needs to learn from
[18:33] <panzram> daeman u should probably calm down
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[18:33] <@jp> don't wannt play with this fucking TOXIC COMMUNITY
[18:33] <IcedWinds> all anybody ever wanted from those games was that game w/ better graphics
[18:33] <@Melur> !status 3
[18:33] <IcedWinds> that is all
[18:33] <DAEMAN> I played all of them, they were good games, can we please move on?
[18:33] <panzram> idk tw wants a t1 remake
[18:33] <DAEMAN> I'm just tired of seeing the same convos rehashed
[18:33] <DAEMAN> they never went anywhere then
[18:33] <panzram> have u read the tribes community's opinions?
[18:33] <IcedWinds> t1/t2 reskinned is all anybody wanted
[18:33] <DAEMAN> and they contonue to not do so
[18:34] <panzram> http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=687872  Your fondest gaming memories?
[18:34] <+boris`smalls> no one here wants a t1 remake, not even the t1 ppl
[18:34] <+boris`smalls> idk why ppl think thats the case
[18:34] <@miri> !add 3
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[18:34] <DAEMAN> then they've been awful at expressing WHAT they want
[18:34] <IcedWinds> you wouldn't want an optimized T1?
[18:34] <+fyr> panzram, this is the new tribes community lmao
[18:34] <_Moose> !status
[18:34] <@jp> !add 3
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[18:34] <panzram> well that thread on tw is 5 pages of people saying t1 is their favorite game
[18:34] <+fyr> everyone here has played a tribes game before
[18:34] <+boris`smalls> no i know there are many flaws in t1 that dont work in a modern rendition of it
[18:34] <@Nidums> if you make a game dedicated to an old community its gonna fail
[18:34] <@Nidums> actually need to grab new customers.
[18:34] <panzram> yes thats exactly wat cs does
[18:34] <Descolada> tw is full of borderline insane people
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[18:34] <+fyr> i think they *might* just be a little biased don't you think?
[18:35] <panzram> so you've alienated all of tw
[18:35] <DAEMAN> yeah and look at some of the other "all time faves" - like goldeney
[18:35] <Descolada> no it isnt
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[18:35] <panzram> and you're banning paying customers in alpha because u disagree with their opinions and feedback
[18:35] <Descolada> the 1.6 ppl were upset for like 2 years
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[18:35] <Descolada> before they finally gave in and played csgo
[18:35] <DAEMAN> go back and play goldeneye on n64, TELL ME you enjoy it
[18:35] <DAEMAN> and think it's GOOD
[18:35] <+boris`smalls> cs go is nothing like the old cs games
[18:35] <panzram> is this really the direction you expect to make sales in or represent tribes with?
[18:35] <DAEMAN> let's be real here
[18:36] <Descolada> dare is like
[18:36] <IcedWinds> you're talking to the wrong people panz
[18:36] <DAEMAN> it isn't just disagreement
[18:36] <Descolada> the only person who has been banned
[18:36] <DAEMAN> ^
[18:36] <+boris`smalls> i think you are mixing up the "community" and this "pug channel"
[18:36] <@miri> t:v pro mod was the definitive version of tribes
[18:36] <Ravesty> !add all
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[18:36] <@miri> discuss
[18:36] <Ravesty> na pug time
[18:36] <+boris`smalls> legends was the best tribes
[18:36] <+fyr> hold on, dare got banned because he started threating to dox devs
[18:36] <IcedWinds> !status all
[18:36] <Ravesty> pls add
[18:36] <+fyr> even i think that is fair
[18:36] <Descolada> moer than that fyr
[18:36] <@miri> you just missed two Ravesty
[18:36] <+boris`smalls> if u dont remember legends
[18:36] <IcedWinds> implosions wtf is wrong w/ u
[18:36] <+boris`smalls> gtfo
[18:36] <Descolada> he threw out death threats at mabel
[18:36] <panzram> lol i dont think dare did that
[18:36] <Descolada> anyways
[18:36] <Descolada> everyone should add 4
[18:36] <Descolada> bcuz arena is great
[18:36] <@Nidums> !status 3
[18:36] <@Nidums> !status 3
[18:36] <@Nidums> !add 3
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[18:36] <panzram> i think what dare said was he'd post mabel's name in public
[18:36] <Descolada> !add 4
[18:36] <panzram> and that counted as a doxing threat
[18:36] <DAEMAN> !del 3
[18:36] <@Implosions> I see no problem
[18:36] <panzram> which is silly
[18:36] <panzram> because devs names should be public
[18:36] <@miri> !status 3
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[18:37] <+fyr> ?
[18:37] <+fyr> not if they don't want to lol
[18:37] <+boris`smalls> who cares anyway about a game that ppl dont even want to play lmboa
[18:37] <DAEMAN> regardless of your opinions on the morality of it, or legality, it was in poor taste
[18:37] <panzram> well boris its sad people dont want to play midair because it has the foundations of what could be a great tribes game
[18:37] <+boris`smalls> take a xanax and relax
[18:37] <panzram> but i read wolfpac discord
[18:38] <panzram> and it seems like that whole team doesnt like it
[18:38] <+boris`smalls> so did any previous tribes
[18:38] <panzram> i can post logs if u want
[18:38] <+boris`smalls> ppl just need to stop having expectations
[18:38] <panzram> everyone on wolfpac team discord says they dont want to play a game with egotistical willfully ignorant designers who belittle their feedback
[18:38] <panzram> namely mabel and friends
[18:38] <panzram> i can quote skillz, azarus, groove
[18:38] <+boris`smalls> well fuk, who wouldve thought
[18:39] <panzram> the community chat was never like this in t1
[18:39] <panzram> whered the anger come from
[18:39] <DAEMAN> smdfh
[18:39] <panzram> maybe there is a little money involved here huh
[18:39] <DAEMAN> modern games development
[18:39] <joey_> my father
[18:39] <panzram> and pride
[18:39] <DAEMAN> everyone feels so entitled
[18:39] <panzram> well if we arent entitled to give feedback in a kickstarter game
[18:39] <+boris`smalls> idk if u havent hung out on thecommunity or sanctuary irc
[18:39] <+fyr> the only people who belittle my feedback is nark and jp
[18:39] <+boris`smalls> but that chat was way more toxic
[18:39] <DAEMAN> this is about ego, yes, but mostly from players, sadlyu
[18:39] <+fyr> but they are t:a fags so
[18:39] <joey_> !status all
[18:39] <+boris`smalls> and also US pickups were a lot more toxic
[18:39] <panzram> maybe the game is meant to be played by the same group that played legions
[18:39] <@jp> i don't belittle ur feedback
[18:39] <joey_> !add 3
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[18:39] <panzram> and only that group
[18:39] <@Nark> i only belittle wrong opinions tbch
[18:39] <@jp> but i'm not gonna sit there when u say something completely retarded :D
[18:40] <panzram> if you want to keep the community small and elitist you're doing a great job
[18:40] <DAEMAN> I never feel "not entitled" to give feedback
[18:40] <DAEMAN> you have to realize though
[18:40] <+boris`smalls> i know lots of ppl getting banned and kicked etc from pugs/irc channels
[18:40] <@jp> and factually wrong
[18:40] <+boris`smalls> in t1 pugs
[18:40] <DAEMAN> you pay someone FOR A PRODUCT
[18:40] <DAEMAN> that THEY ARE BUILDING
[18:40] <+boris`smalls> so watever
[18:40] <panzram> t1 drama is a lot more dramatic than this but more friendly as well
[18:40] <+fyr> lmao
[18:40] <DAEMAN> and ostensibly, then have a vision ofr
[18:40] <DAEMAN> for
[18:40] <joey_> ty
[18:40] <@Nidums> ngl but is t1 community anything but small?
[18:40] <+fyr> all d does most of the time is spam nades on stand
[18:40] <panzram> this is straight up authoritarians banning stuff they dont like
[18:40] <+boris`smalls> idk from wat i can see it brought together a lot of different ppl from lot of different games
[18:40] <+boris`smalls> its not
[18:40] <+boris`smalls> lol
[18:40] <panzram> like "wrong think"
[18:40] <@jp> less than b4 though
[18:41] <@Nark> "nades are much more spammier now than they were before" -wildefyr
[18:41] <+boris`smalls> its just ur nostalgia that lets u think it is
[18:41] <+boris`smalls> t1 drama was toxic and annoying af
[18:41] <@miri> it's really entertaining having dare on ignore and watching you all try to bat back his inane bullshit
[18:41] <DAEMAN> I have never seen someone banned for giving feedback
[18:41] <DAEMAN> what a nice false narrative you've created
[18:41] <@Nark> "bring back instakill proxy nades because they are less spammy when u throw 5 on stand at once for a kill" -wildefyr
[18:41] <StorkSooFly> what am i reading?
[18:41] <panzram> some good logs
[18:41] <Ravesty> !status 3
[18:41] <@miri> nerd friday
[18:41] <+boris`smalls> and while i dont think dare should be banned from pugs for doing something somewhere else since u can easily just ignore him on irc i dont really care enough to get involved
[18:41] <Ravesty> stop add 3
[18:41] <@miri> someone add 3
[18:41] <DAEMAN> add 1 plz
[18:41] <Ravesty> stork* lol
[18:41] <DL> !status
[18:41] <DAEMAN> del 3 plz
[18:41] <DL> !status 3
[18:41] <IcedWinds> !add 3
[18:41] <DAEMAN> thanks
[18:41] <@Xenia> Game LCTFEU - starting for Melur _Moose Implosions fyr miri jp Ravesty Nidums joey_ IcedWinds