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  3. Rachel Oppitz, N.D.
  4. Message 1 of 18 , Aug 19 8:54 AM
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  6. 44 year old female whom I have been working with for 6 years.  I have helped her in many ways (for instance she now has a 2 year old son).  Many years ago she had a very high libido but it has been low for the past 10 years or so.  Nothing has helped:  DHEA, AndroDIM, Progeste Cream, Adreset, Symplex F, Femenessence Pro, SAMe, methylated B12 and folate, Iso-Cort, EPO, Adrenal Support, Root of Life, Folliculinum 4CH, Progon-B, Ovablend, Exhilarin.  She is on all the basics:  D3, Minimal & Essential, Ultra Pure Fish Oil, Triple Mag, iFlora.  She has a loving functional relationship with her husband, no past history of abuse.  It really seems physiological, not mental/emotional.  We have done extensive testing.  I am stumped, besides trying constitutional homeopathy or acupuncture.
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  10. In health,
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  12. Rachel Oppitz, ND
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  16. Emily Kane
  17. Message 2 of 18 , Aug 19 12:19 PM
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  19. Hi Rachel
  20. Apparently your patient desires return of the burning libido?  It may not be pathological to have diminished libido, if you consider a biological perspective.  Our genetics really do drive us.  She may need to resign herself to more scheduled encounters and explore with her husband types of sensual activity that are pleasurable, including having him court her a bit more, bring flowers, buy rose petals to put in her bath water...  Usually even though the desire is low, in a good relationship once the woman is in position, so to speak, she generally enjoys herself.  Just may not be a priority to get herself there.
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  22. Emily Kane ND
  23. Juneau AK
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  31. Juliette Soihl
  32. Aug 20 12:33 PM
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  34. Interesting Article:  http://howdoidate.com/studies/recent-research-reveals-the-secrets-of-female-sexual-desire/
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  36. More and more fascinating research coming out on female sexual desire.  
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  40. Dr. Neil McKinney
  41. Message 4 of 18 , Aug 20 3:38 PM
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  43. Ashwagandha raises DHEA and can definitely increase female libido.    There  is at least a relative contra-indication if they have an estrogen dependent cancer such as breast ER+.
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  45. Dr. Neil McKinney, ND  Victoria BC
  46. Naturopathic Physician
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  51. drdarathompson
  52. Message 5 of 18 , Aug 20 10:46 PM
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  54. The two things that I have consistently seen raise libido in women are
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  56. 1) Maca powder or a mix of maca and panax ginseng as a tincture (add ginkgo if any difficulty acheiving orgasm especially with SSRIs)
  57. 2) Low dose testosterone cream - I start with 0.5 mg daily and rarely even see a shift in blood levels but often a big shift in desire. If it is given in a translabial cream it is also reported to increase the power of the orgasm a well. This seems to work best in perimenopausal and menopausal women and because of the low dosing seems safer than the amount of estrogen required to get the same result. However, it can convert to estrogen via aromatase so caution if that is contraindicated. Just be sure you understand how to use and prescribe testosterone.
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  59. Dara Thompson ND
  60. San Francisco, CA
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  64. Anne Hill
  65. Message 6 of 18 , Aug 21 11:15 AM
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  67. There is also Oxytocin cream-I have prescribed a couple of times and
  68. have heard back that it can be very effective-but needs to be used at
  69. the time when they are expecting to have intercourse.
  70. Anne Hill, ND
  71. Portland, OR
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  75. Teri Jackson
  76. Aug 21 12:45 PM
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  78. Hi Anne,
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  80. Can you say more about using oxytocin cream? What dosage and where is it applied, etc? I work at a small compounding pharmacy and the pharmacist is always looking for new recipes 😃.
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  82. Thanks!
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  84. Sincerely,
  85. Teri Jackson, ND
  86. Wailea, HI
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  90. Mona Morstein
  91. Message 8 of 18 , Aug 21 2:12 PM
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  93. It is physiological because she has had a lot less sleep in the past two years with her 2 year old child?  Does she work outside the home?  Is she able to exercise?  Does her husband help with the housework, shopping, etc.  Obviously physiologically, not having a toddler is a lot less taxing on the body than having a toddler.  Sometimes people have to realize that their lives and energy change, and that perhaps she is supposed to have less sex right now, while raising her child.  As about her workload, her diet, her relationship with her husband? What does she think is a normal about of sex to have—most Americans have sex only 1-2 x a week or so. And, sometimes we physicians have to stop and see a bigger picture. If she is up at night and working all day, and has a two year old, and no date night and husband isn’t helpful, solve those situations and she may have more energy for sex!  
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  95. Mona Morstein, ND, DHANP
  96. Tempe, AZ
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  102. Denise Long
  103. Message 9 of 18 , Aug 21 3:00 PM
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  105. About constitutional homeopathy, I think it's a great idea and might get her either on track or comfortable with her new reality and more centered - either way it can't hurt her. If you aren't comfortable with the interview, are there homeopaths in the area that you know that might just treat her constitutionally?
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  108. West Orange, NJ
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  113. Sally Boyd-Daughtrey
  114. Aug 21 10:04 PM
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  116. I am just starting to do the 'O-Shot' (which is PRP applied to the anterior vagina and clitoris), for exactly this problem, as well as for anorgasmic women who do have libido.  
  117. I will keep anyone interested updated on the efficacy 'if desired' (pun intended).
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  124. drtjacobs93101
  125. Message 11 of 18 , Aug 22 6:34 AM
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  127. Consider micro vascular disease. Men can have erectile dysfunction from this cause so it makes sense that women could have "clitoral dysfunction."  Recently, new understanding has come to light on the complex structure of the clitoris. The vaginal tissues and nerve and vascular structures likely lose integrity over time. You may have to think in terms of nerve and cardiovascular health.
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  129. Also, pertaining to structure and function, I've found many women regain their libido when over-doing their testosterone Rx. I'm not advocating supra physiologic hormones in general, but it may be worthy of consideration on an individual basis. General vitality and sex are sometimes strongly interlinked and important treatment end points for some.
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  131. It is also important to consider the major importance estrogen plays in sexual receptivity and response. While some women do fine getting their estradiol in the 100-150 range, others feel better overall around 200 or sometimes higher.
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  133. In addition to HRT, topical viagra can be tried on the clitoris, with or without testosterone.  Be sure to ask about clitoris hypertrophy when using local topicals.
  134. Thad Jacobs, ND, LAc. SLC/Park City, UT
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  138. drjacobschor
  139. Message 12 of 18 , Aug 22 7:16 AM
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  141. I'm feeling old fashioned here but wondering if having sex as often as modern society expects it is fully healthy.  I've been reading about cell division of late and checkpoint chemistry as it relates and am looking at many things in this light.  Does it make sense that if cells pause in the act of shall we call it procreation to assess their health, energy levels and food supply, before continuing to the next phase of cell division, that perhaps higher organisms have some parallel level of self reflexion and do an internal audit to decide whether they are ready in starting the process of reproduction over?
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  143. We certainly know this is true in extreme situations, in anorexia or physical overtraining, or nursing for that matter.  Thus I'm feeling like a traditionalist and saying perhaps we need to not rush to push something that nature is saying is perhaps 'not a good time for'....  even if popular culture says, any time is a good time?
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  145. Jacob Schor
  146. Denver CO
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  150. Gabrielle Duebendorfer
  151. Message 13 of 18 , Aug 22 12:40 PM
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  153. I don't know but continuing to heap supplements and herbs on this woman might be missing the point; I have to agree with Emily - when the primary reproductive years are over there is a natural decline of sexual desire in women; just like long term relationships don't just happen to be loving by themselves, i.e. they are work, so does sexual energy - it just doesn't happen by itself.
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  155. In my experience with perimenopausal, or even earlier, intimacy becomes more and more a prerequisite for libido....even in a "happy" relationship, there might not be this level of intimacy anymore - especially if the relationship is long term. I have found Harville Hendrix work "getting the love you want" very helpful in becoming aware of what keeps a couple from really being intimately loving and how to nourish it more.
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  159. Dr. Gabrielle Duebendorfer, ND
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  163. Gabrielle Duebendorfer
  164. Message 14 of 18 , Aug 22 1:02 PM
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  166. Juliette, this article http://howdoidate.com/studies/recent-research-reveals-the-secrets-of-female-sexual-desire/is very interesting but in my opinion too Freud oriented;
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  168. At the end of the day, the accumulating evidence appears to reveal a paradoxical element at the core of female desire, a tension between two conflicting motives: on the one hand is the desire for stability, intimacy, and security–picture the flame on the burner of a gas stove: controlled, utilitarian, domesticated, and good for making dinner. On the other hand is the need to feel totally, uncontrollably desired, the object of a man’s raw, primal lust–picture a house on fire.
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  170. limiting intimacy to a cozy home is quite limiting and understandably would lead to this need to be totally desired - one extreme always begs for the other; but what about an intimacy that goes beyond these extremes.....an intimacy that fosters a sense of non-separation, a feeling of connection, out of which a mutual desire arises that is way beyond evolutionary advantages
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  174. Dr. Gabrielle Duebendorfer, ND
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  178. Heidi Peterson
  179. Message 15 of 18 , Aug 22 1:26 PM
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  181. I find this book VERY helpful.  I recommend everyone read it.
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  183. Come as You Are: The Surprising New Science that Will Transform Your Sex Life Paperback – March 3, 2015
  184. by Emily Nagoski Ph.D. (Author)
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  190. Anne Hill
  191. Aug 23 3:26 AM
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  193. Hi Teri-
  194. Community Compounding here in Portland does the oxytocin cream and I
  195. will have to defer to our wonderful compounding pharmacist people for
  196. dosing since it is in units or something that I just don't prescribe
  197. enough to keep in my already crowded brainstate. I believe they put it
  198. is a transdermal cream specific for vaginal tissue and you would apply
  199. this prior to sexual activity.
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  201. I would just give them a call.
  202. Anne Hill, ND
  203. Portland, OR
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  207. dr_bier_portsmouth_nh
  208. Message 17 of 18 , Aug 23 11:06 AM
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  210. Hi All,
  211. One of the things I'm finding fascinating is the level of bias and preconceived notions we all bring to any discussion, but especially about sex.Going back to the original post-
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  213. "44 year old female ...(for instance she now has a 2 year old son).  Many years ago she had a very high libido but it has been low for the past 10 years or so.  "
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  215. So, this is a women who had a high libido until around age 34, long before she had a child, was a stressed parent, hit middle age etc. Not sure how long she's been married or where/if that fits in.
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  217. Whatever our own personal/clinical experiences are with sex and aging, this case as described likely doesn't fall into that.
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  221. Ian D. Bier, ND, PhD, LAc, FABNO
  222. Naturopathic Doctor, Licensed Acupuncturist
  223. Fellow, American Board of Naturopathic Oncology
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  228. Juliette Soihl
  229. Message 18 of 18 , Aug 23 5:20 PM
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  231. Dear Dr. Gabrielle Duebendorfer,
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  235. This is a wonderful point, and I agree.  I think there is much more to human intimacy than just biological/reproductive.  What about sex during pregnancy, during times of the month other than ovulation, gay sex, lesbian sex, post-menopausal sex, and many other ways of connecting.  Along these lines, I think Tantra has many interesting concepts for exploring intimacy and seeing intimacy as an energetic/spiritual connection.  Two Tantra books I like are Tantric Orgasm for Women, by Diana Richardson and The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida.  The concepts of these books can be applied to a variety of relationships, not just heterosexual.
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  237. I do think that the paradoxical research coming out on female sexual desire may challenge beliefs on long term expectations of a monogamous marriage and the natural evolution of relationships.  Monogamy may work wonderfully for some, or for periods of time, and not for others or other periods of time.  Simply allowing individuals and partners the opportunity for other ways of thinking about and exploring intimacy, relationships, expectations, and relationship styles is worth considering.
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  240. Take care,
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  243. Juliette Soihl, ND, LMT Renewed Health
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