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AntiFa-BTFO Sep 22nd, 2017 (edited) 104 Never
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  1. Some TimeStamps:
  2. 10:45 details about Kevin Woodrow
  3.  
  4. 15:00 Antifa tries to get Woodrow to change beliefs, skoffs at Woodrow trying to leave politics out of it and trying to interact like a human being.
  5.  
  6. 17:54 Begin made up canadian pronoun roulette (attendees introducing themselves like a support group for AA for NA)
  7.  
  8. 24:23 introductions are over (Did not pay attention to any "New" pronouns that were made up)
  9.  
  10. 25:15 Talking about shutting it down
  11.  
  12. 25:20 Talking about the laugable numbers in attendance: 10 to 15 so far.
  13.  
  14. 26:10 Planning for the 30th, wanting to work with already established political people.
  15.  
  16. 26:50 talking about direct confrontation with Kevin.
  17.  
  18. 27:20 TALKING ABOUT PROPAGANDA FOR PEOPLE NOT ATTENDING
  19.  
  20. 27:45 DESCRIBES ANTIFAS POLITICS ANTI CAPITALIST.
  21.  
  22. 29:00 FASCISTS DONT CARE ABOUT IF YOU ARE GAY OR WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE (Woman semi-admits she's racist)
  23.  
  24. 32:30 Speaking against individuality and USING THESE SUPOSSED OPPRESSED GROUPS FOR THEIR PURPOSES.
  25.  
  26. 33:20 Talking about how no one wants to be known as a bigot.
  27.  
  28. 34:00 HATE YOUR BOSS INSTEAD OF ILLEGAL ALIENS AND CRIMINAL BLACKS.
  29.  
  30. 35:40 SPINNING THE MESSAGE OF THE RALLIES TO FIT ANTIFAS NARRATIVES
  31.  
  32. 36:35 ANTIFA ADMITS THEIR POLITICS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE POLITICALLY AS THE WHITE NATIONALISTS
  33.  
  34. 39:00 LACK OF SOLIDARITY ON BATHROOMS
  35.  
  36. 40:00 THEY ARE SAYING PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RACISM, XENOPHOBIA IS.
  37.  
  38. 41:00 POPULIST LEFT IN CANADA ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT.
  39.  
  40. 42:30 PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN RACISM BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXPERIENCE RACISM
  41.  
  42. 46:40 TALKING ABOUT THE 30TH EVENT AGAIN
  43.  
  44. 46:50 MAKE PROPAGANDA FOR COUNTER MESSAGE
  45.  
  46. 47:57 PLANNING IN CASE OTHER PROTEST GROUPS SHOW UP
  47.  
  48. 48:35 TIME AND PLACE: 130 OR 145ISH JUST AROUND CORNER OF CITY HALL MAYBE BEHIND THE PARK BY THE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS
  49.  
  50. 49:40 4:30 PM BEING TALKED ABOUT
  51.  
  52. 50:15 TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SIGNAL MAN AT AROUND FIFTEEN TILL FOUR OR 4:15
  53.  
  54. 50:50 TALKING ABOUT PAMPLHETS
  55.  
  56. 51:25 TALKING ABOUT WORKING ON A PRESS RELEASE
  57.  
  58. 52:25 TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOMEONE THERE TO BLOCK THE ROUTE
  59.  
  60. 52:50 BE LOUD ACROSS THE STREET AT THE CHURCH
  61.  
  62. 53:10 BANNER WILL SAY "LOVE IS HERE AND WHITE SUPREMACY OVER THERE"
  63.  
  64. 54:30 MONITORED WHITE SUPREMACY SITES AND STORM ALLIANCE SAYS 11 OTHER RALLIES ARE BEING HELD ACROSS THE COUNTRY
  65.  
  66. 55:10 TALKING ABOUT OTHER PROTESTS GROUPS (THE PAID GROUPS)
  67.  
  68. 57:40 NAMING SOME OTHER PROFESSIONAL PROTEST GROUPS TO INVITE TO THIS PROTEST
  69.  
  70. 58:10 TALKING ABOUT HOLDING A PRESS CONFERENCE ON WEDNESDAY
  71.  
  72. 58:20 ITENERARY FOR ANTIFA, FOR THE WEEK OF THE PROTEST
  73.  
  74. 59:00 STRATEGIES BEING TALKED ABOUT
  75.  
  76. 59:30 THE BEST WAY TO DROWN KEVIN OUT IS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO "SHUT IT DOWN"
  77.  
  78. 1:00:20 NUMBERS FOR SATURDAY- DIFFERENT GROUPS COMING OUT NAMED: HOPING FOR 200 FOR SATURDAY
  79.  
  80. 1:02:18 JDL MENTIONED, AND SAID THEY MIGHT SHOW UP
  81.  
  82. 1:03:20 TALKING ABOUT LYING ABOUT WHERE THE RALLY IS TO CONFUSE SUPPORTERS
  83.  
  84. 1:05:05 ACROSS THE STREET FROM CONFEDERATE SQUARE IS WHERE THE PROTEST IS THIS SATURDAY
  85.  
  86. 1:05:33 LAUGHING ABOUT GETTING A PERMIT, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
  87.  
  88. 1:06:46 FASCIST SOCIALISTS HAVING A DEMOCRATIC VOTE.
  89.  
  90. 1:10:20 SPEAKER TALKING ABOUT HOW PEACE ISN'T GOING TO DO MUCH, ADVOCATING VIOLENCE.
  91.  
  92. 1:10:30 USING FEAR TO RILE UP THE SUPPORTERS FOR THE RALLY
  93.  
  94. 1:10:45 THERE IT IS, THE CONVICTION AUDIO WE NEED FOR TRYING TO INCITE A RIOT.
  95.  
  96. And that's where I have to end for the time being. Anyone else want to take it from 1:10:00 to the end? Potentially incriminating evidence is here.
  97.  
  98.  
  99.  
  100. Transcripts:
  101.  
  102. 00:00 - 00:24 Misc Mike noises, presumably from movement through crowd (Beeping noise starts in here)
  103. 00:23- 00:28 (Anon 1 (?)) "Now remember cutting ... (him?)... off. Oh well."
  104. 00:29-1:35 Movement
  105. 01:36 Door opens, then closes shortly thereafter. (Presumably Anons going into meeting place)
  106. ------------------------
  107. NOTE: From now on, all people will be signified as such:
  108. Anons 1 and 2: A1, A2
  109. Antifa Speaker at the time: S
  110. Generic male antifa member: M1 - M? (I'll do my best to determine who is who, but honestly for this first draft I'll just try and denote if male or female and just assume they are all different people)
  111. Generic female antifa member: F1 - F? (See male antifa memeber, same notes apply here)
  112. ??? : No clue
  113. NOTE 2: I will not be putting Anons' names in the transcript even if they did use fake names. If ya'll are that curious get the file yourselves and give it a listen. I'd like to not dox innocent shitposters by accident.
  114. -----------------------
  115. 01:45 M1: Hi there
  116. A2 (?) : How are you doing?
  117. M1: (barely audible) good
  118. A2: Awe(some)
  119. 01:48 A2: Ay, how are you guys doing?
  120. M2: pretty good
  121. A2: That's it, hey is that JP's spot?
  122. M2?: "....." Go ahead
  123.  
  124. 2:04 A2: We got 5 minutes, so hopefully people start rolling in ...
  125. 2:07 A1: Yeah
  126. M2: My name's Christopher
  127. M?: (inaudible)
  128. A2: Hi how are you my name's [redacted]
  129. M?: (inaudible)
  130. A2: Yeah nice to meet ya.
  131. M: So how did you guys here about this?
  132. A: Oh, there was a sign outside our work
  133. M: OK, uh wherebouts...
  134. A: [redacted]
  135. M: Oh ok, [redacted] eh?
  136. All: (laughing)
  137. A: Yeah...
  138. : Yeah, it was scary stuff we saw, and we had no idea to be honest. We came from [] and then [] before that.
  139. : Scary stuff...
  140. M: Yeah...
  141. M3: yeah (inaudible) I mean ...came out the wrong time, eh.
  142. M: ah right, just a few years, yeah started noticing them 3 years ago?
  143. M3: 3 years ago
  144. M: But I think he started to (move) events in the last year?
  145. M2: Yeah
  146. M: As far as I can tell
  147. : I've seen like other people
  148. : Who's like a couple of um
  149. : Neo-nazi like types who I've seen once or twice and they like, come and go you know?
  150. (Either M3 or A2): Yeah,
  151. : Yeah I've seen some on [], fuck that.
  152. M: Yeah I guess the trouble is you can't really tell until you're up close and (smoother) and...
  153. : um...
  154. : (getting quiet) And you get that wrong and stuff...
  155. M3: Yeah I mean, you get a (school) full of rash people around
  156. : And yell at someone and go oh shit they're a (cop) or they're actually anti-racist too
  157. : (laughs)
  158. A2: Yeah
  159. : Yeah...
  160. M3: How bout you folks
  161. : Was this a big thing you guys were previously kinda thing or?
  162. A2: I, I don't really know all that much about it to be honestly
  163. : Like I just saw it and like..
  164. : saw that the ad and I looked up the page and I was like, Yeah I should look up more about that.
  165. A: (repeated yeahs over next line)
  166. M: (muffled)
  167. : So you gonna be hear awhile or..
  168. A: Yeah yeahyeah yeah.
  169. M: This pretty new to you or?
  170. A: Yeah no, I'm from the area right?
  171. : So I just () for work
  172. M: ok
  173. A: well we're roommates and he wanted to go! so
  174. ------------------------
  175. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  176. [] is [redacted}
  177. A and A2 are Anons;
  178. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  179. F-F? are generic female antifa
  180. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  181. -----------------------
  182.  
  183. A2: Yeah, we're gonna hafta figure out what needs to happens here..
  184. : I'm hoping
  185. : (fumbles) I know my key(?) who came to a meeting and said he was coming tonight to talk to fellow (an...) said he was coming tonight
  186. : um
  187. M: we'll see if more people come
  188. A: Ah, Awesome
  189. 4:49 - 4:52 ( silence)
  190. (general chatter from group that drowns everything out)
  191. 5:15 M: Yeah like a positive (ideation) or whatever
  192. A2: Haha, yeah...
  193. M: Build it in the old () kinda thing?
  194. A2: yeah
  195. 5:36-5:44 (noise)
  196. M: So what are the conditions like in [job]?
  197. A2: Really it's.... it's sales right?
  198. : It can be pretty frustrating because of that.
  199. : Sorry it's not... It's not AWEFUL
  200. M: you do a lot of ()?
  201. A: yeah
  202. M: it has to be because you do alot of
  203. : (Quiet) negativity...
  204. A2: yeah
  205. : we (yell at children?) alot
  206. M2: yeah
  207. M3: () ... do it makes you seem so much happier.
  208. ALL: (Chuckles)
  209. M2: Yeah, that tends to happen to alot of people.
  210. A2: Yeah
  211. M3: It was always so much younger I could (be) a dick and tell them to fuck right off
  212. A2: (laughs)
  213. M3: and they could go shoot yourself
  214. : () ... you need some help...
  215. A2: Yeah, I've been looking around!
  216. : I've been looking around the last couple of weeks to be honest
  217. ________________________________________________________________________
  218. Insert chatting here
  219. I'm sorry pol but the autism wasn't strong enough to get through the chatting, so I'm going to skip straight to the "show" notes and start focusing on the script since that's what we're all here for anyways.
  220.  
  221. ------------------------
  222. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  223. [] is [redacted}
  224. A and A2 are Anons;
  225. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  226. F-F? are generic female antifa
  227. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  228. -----------------------
  229. --------
  230. Seems to start at 10:20 mins or so into the audio
  231. -----------
  232. S: Alright, so I guess on that (quaint) uh, Kevin, uh announcement (rally)
  233. : I think on the 7th or 8th and in the 11 days since then, there's been a a bunch of organizing happening.
  234. : Maybe just in terms of what we know, Kevin (let's go around the table)
  235. : and get that on the table
  236. : I know he's the leader of the Candian Nationalist Front(CNF)
  237. : Near as I can tell CNF doesn't consist of a huge amount of people other than Kevin [] and some friends that would seem
  238. : but he does have support of all white nationalists across the country
  239. : (I mean) he has alienated Storm Alliance, which is the fairly large (in) group that broke away from the (soldier's vote)
  240. : which in turn (came) from the Finnish group that is uh
  241. : hardcore neonazi fascist types, uh
  242. ------------------------
  243. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  244. [] is [redacted}
  245. A and A2 are Anons;
  246. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  247. F-F? are generic female antifa
  248. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  249. -----------------------
  250. M:(killed someone last year)
  251. S: Uh, killed someone last year
  252. : so Storm Alliance is disavowing Kevin publicly, that (name) said ()
  253. : That(means) that Storm Alliance is just better at imaging than CNF
  254. : they're very good at putting forward the message that "we're not against...
  255. : that we're not racists we're just in favor of a white Canada"
  256. : So they've gotten a lot better at doing these kinds of actions
  257. : like they do things like soup kitchens and delivery pickups to try and kinda cover their uh, their image
  258. : Uh, but when you also look at what else they're doing like street patrol which is what happened in Finland
  259. : where they're going along and if they find someone they don't like because they're homeless, whatever
  260. : um, they beat them up, uh
  261. : And that started out in some places across the country, particularly in Quebec where they're alot stronger
  262. : Like the movement there in general is alot stronger, um
  263. : Yeah is there anyone else in terms of what we know about Kevin?
  264. : Stuff they they wanna report?
  265. M2: Yeah I just wanna add an article, it is public (abuse)
  266. : (muffled)
  267. : It's scary to think that it's more than two people.
  268. : Maybe it's four or five
  269. S: Yeah I think it might be an aspirational move on Kevin's part. Where he's doing this massive power play saying look we have this massive enemy and we're going to finish you off
  270. : But I don't know if that means we should expect hundreds
  271. -------------
  272. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  273. [] is [redacted}
  274. A and A2 are Anons;
  275. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  276. F-F? are generic female antifa
  277. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  278. < > are my notes
  279. -------
  280. :can expect hundred to two hundred people so much as
  281. M: ()
  282. : Yeah, so much as them looking more official
  283. : Like what I saw you know I got permit in hand so he's really trying to legitimize himself in a way that he wasn't before.
  284. : (rambles) It'd be nice if he, you know, didn't have that platform to do shit
  285. : So ah, anything else people want to bring forward?
  286. ???: () Alot of these folks () you gotta approach these things as very uh,
  287. : you were talking about soup kitchens we uh.. ()
  288. : Kinda marketing this is an anti-immigration, anti- uh (cheeto? ((wtf?))) rally all the while with a swaztika tattoo on his chest
  289. : Uh, so like ()
  290. S: yeah
  291. : So you've probably had more experience with Kevin than anyone else
  292. : What's your read on...
  293. M2: So pretty much...
  294. : he like...
  295. : more like when he's drunk um...
  296. : cause he attacked a () over a spill
  297. : He was working there, he like, kicked him out uh,
  298. : I've had like, direct conversation with him it was like
  299. : um
  300. : asking him like what were his beliefs and this kinda thing
  301. : and it was kinda a long conversation he kept trying to like, divert the conversation from that and try to relate to me <lol>
  302. : find a few things we have in common
  303. : um like popmusic or like ()music
  304. : and I like kept bringing it back to the subject and then eventually I like gave him the question again
  305. : and he said he wouldn't answer like, if he posed the same question to me how would I respond to that and
  306. : and like ok, well
  307. : (muffled)
  308. : You're going to have to go if you're uh ()
  309. : So then he was like "Can't I finish my beer?"
  310. : and I was like "Um, uh no"
  311. : So in that, in that instance he didn't cut back and I also invoked the crap that was there.
  312. : (cause) people would be outside with me.
  313. : and so Yeah ()
  314. S: Yeah, yeah man, I think that (was kinda cool but)
  315. M: Appreciate it
  316. S: Yeah so this popular Kevin, what we know about Kevin (is that) he called the rally in () at this point.
  317. :And yeah going over what we know (Alliance leader?) is saying (is not) necessarily volatile?
  318. :um
  319. : () been in 3 ish years maybe, (but) only really actively organizing in the last year with his group of CNF
  320. : and we're also saying there's a time and place now for uh, for the meeting (for the rally)
  321. ???: What's the timing?
  322. S: Uh, late afternoon into evening
  323. ???: I think () something about 4:30
  324. S: so yeah, starting at 2 is what I've heard and going till 4:30
  325. : so that kinda brings us to the next question I guess
  326. : Which is, uh, what're we gonna do about it?
  327. : There's been alot of different kind of talk that's happened
  328. : I guess... who has been involed in at least one other meeting up until this point about this like
  329. : Just kinda getting people caught up to speed because I know some of us have been caught up while other people are just totally in the darkness
  330. : So Mike you've been at a bunch of the meetings, do you want to...
  331. Mike(M2): Yeah sure
  332. (talking overlapping)
  333. M3: So I guess people talking around: name pronoun, any other (), uh Mike you wanna start?
  334.  
  335. >Pedantic pronouns in a room full of men. It's cringey trust me. Lots of complaining about nazis and how slippery they are. ((Also the silent female speaks up during this))
  336. > This goes from 17:40 - 24:37
  337. Skipping to 24:37
  338. S: Ok, so, alright, looks like there is going to be something else going on on the day of possibly?
  339. : Um, but not terms of actively trying to confront Kevin and keep him from spreading his message.
  340. : Um, our kinda hope was that this could be a good way to start
  341. : but the other thing we were kinda hoping to do, er, I was hoping to do by initiating (path?)
  342. : is the problem that this stuff will keep happening
  343. : and although we can shut it down each time it does happen
  344. : the fact that we can only get 10 people out per meeting kinda thing is a sign that uh,
  345. : the movement as a whole isn't particularly strong right now
  346. : and if we're going to have the capacity to keep doing this kinda work we're gonna need to grow.
  347. : So I guess in terms of what that kinda means
  348. : my thought of how to go forward would be that.
  349. ------------------------------
  350. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  351. [] is [redacted}
  352. A and A2 are Anons;
  353. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  354. F-F? are generic female antifa
  355. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  356. < > are my notes
  357. -----------------------
  358. S: It's really important that (we) find as many people as we can and shut Kevin down.
  359. : It's also really important to educate all the people walking by and make sure that our political message, that's getting out there
  360. : so... with that in mind for the 30th, I guess my suggestion would be
  361. : we should call some sort of public rally to try and get as many people as possible to show up
  362. : because, you know, we don't know how many people exactly he's gonna bring,
  363. : Probably won't be more than 20, (chuckle)
  364. : but that still means we're gonna need more than 10 people, to ya know, actively shut him down
  365. : and stop him from getting, you know, a propaganda victory outta this thing
  366. : and of those people some might be actively involved in just...
  367. : I don't know if we want to directly confront him or whether we feel this is in our basket,
  368. : because that has a whole seperate set of risks and concerns
  369. : and if people are going to do this they need to know what they're doing
  370. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  371. [] is [redacted}
  372. A and A2 are Anons;
  373. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  374. F-F? are generic female antifa
  375. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  376. < > are my notes
  377. -----------------------
  378. :but we can certainly, uh
  379. :make sure that he doesn't go unopposed
  380. : and make sure that he doesn't () over whoever he wants
  381. : and call it this great big victory and how much people around me are behind me.
  382. : Um, and then to that end, I think what would also be good
  383. : is if we could get some form of propagandizment to the people who are going by,
  384. : and make sure that every person who goes by that rally gets our message
  385. : And, you know, hears like "Hey, here's who showed up, here's what his politics are, here's what our politics are,
  386. : Here's why () attack (), if you agree, here's something that...
  387. A: what are your politics?
  388. S: Yeah, so that's the next step, it's the question what are the politics in the room
  389. : So, there hasn't been a (bad) meeting yet, so we can drop the mandate and, and put those politics forward
  390. : Ah, I would suggest that the politics should be, uh,
  391. : Anti-fascist, Anti-racist, Anti-Transphobia, and now also, Anti-Capitalist <And there we go folks>
  392. : Because if we look at it, it seems to me that a lot of the violence and the...
  393. : nastiness that comes with these fascists, comes from basically people being frustrated with the system
  394. : and so part of stopping fires we have to put out is also thinking about the system and how that creates it
  395. : but, we should go back to the table for that.
  396. : [] wanna start?
  397. F: Um, in general I would say a full anti-hate of all kinds
  398. : Like, instead of specifying that kinda hate, and that kinda hate, and that kinda hate
  399. : It just separates groups
  400. : so stating that we are anti ALL hate, like stating any kind of hate gets any kind of room, would be adverse to us
  401. : Because fascists don't differentiate who they're gonna hate
  402. : they don't care if you're black, or gay, or trans, or disabled; it doesn't matter.
  403. : I mean, they don't care what you are.
  404. : I mean, you could be white, but have Jewish hair and a Jewish sounding name and that's it. <hello pol>
  405. ???:()
  406. F: (Exactly)
  407. : () Anti-hate the more it (works)
  408. : and then yeah just like you were saying, basically stating that
  409. : we're not the enemy, we're not the one's causing the problems
  410. : that the people that (we're) rallying against are not the ones who are causing the problems (of bearing ideas)
  411. : the various problems they have are not caused by these people
  412. : You know, people who are opposed to immigration who say,
  413. : "Oh immigration takes our jobs"
  414. : Well your problem isn't immigration it's jobs, you know
  415. M: (indistinct interjection)
  416. : If you think that all Mexicans are rapists and all () are drug dealers,
  417. : then your problem isn't people, your problem is pride
  418. : (you know)
  419. M: (indistinct muttering)
  420. (Either M2 or S): (yeah) For like inclusion and for a more equal distribution of like resources (n)resources
  421. M3: (um)
  422. : Hope () cat I think, um
  423. : ()
  424. : I think, um
  425. : I think it's pretty justifiable to hate nazis
  426. : I don't think being against hate of all people is necessarily bad
  427. : (and) all of them are not bad necessarily
  428. ???: (What did you say?)
  429. M3: Oh I just said I don't think it's a bad thing to hate Nazis
  430. (misc exclamations)
  431. F: I don't necesarily pin the () on the nazi,
  432. : Like I think the nazis abuse
  433. F2: Yeah
  434. F: Like I hate the fact that this person harbors the abuse(d?) ()
  435. : () treat them like crap
  436. : Then I wouldn't hate this person anymore
  437.  
  438. M3: I think the biggest problem about like organizing a group (around)()
  439. : it's such a nebulous concept, it's hard to have (competent) understanding of what that means as far as () and organizing
  440. : And that's why we'll actually go and do this analysis and say,
  441. : "we're actually against these (particular?) things in society, um and
  442. : well it's nice we're against your people, but that's not good enough, (because) it doesn't let us organize anything beyond them
  443. : if the structure of your organization is a response to these other forms of ideologies there's no actual unity in what you're doing as an organization
  444. : you're just against the group that you percieve as having wrong ()
  445. -------------------
  446. NOTE: () is (inaudible)
  447. [] is [redacted}
  448. A and A2 are Anons;
  449. M-M3 are generic male antifa
  450. F-F? are generic female antifa
  451. SM and SF is speaker by gender
  452. < > are my notes
  453. -----------------------
  454. 32:12 - 34: <Will probably redo this section tomorrow when I'm not so tired. This is defintely last hourly update>
  455. M3: you're just against the group that you percieve as having wrong opinions
  456. : and so there's no option for you to be in an orginzation that does that;
  457. F: you start listing things out you need to start saying,
  458. : " oh, you know, we're the same against racism, against, you know, transphobia,
  459. : and you also have to say aginst homophobia and religious intolerance <unless it's Christians>, and xenophobia and
  460. : you start listing off and next thing you know ()
  461. : we can say we're against all of these things, but we're overall...
  462. : Like, we're kinda like () pride right?
  463. : Pride isn't just gay, just pride, just whatever
  464. : just a lesbian parade, just...
  465. : It's everybody, it's everyone of all religions,
  466. : everyone has pride in themselves
  467. : It's not even a () against straight people it's "come be ours come everybody be proud of who you are, be together"
  468. : So we, we can list of individual things ()
  469. : While also be an anti - hate rally
  470. : "I don't wanna be a hater"
  471. : Nobody wants to be a bigot
  472. : you guys got different kinds of ()
  473. : And you can get a racist that can be like "Oh well I'm not sexist"
  474. : ()
  475. : And well sometimes () hates are ok
  476. : You know THOSE people are not our problem.
  477. : And that's been our problem since Civil Rights kindof uh,
  478. : Fights over the years, you know
  479. :() We don't have a lot of neighborhood black people
  480. : () (colored mommas) without gender
  481. : A lot of times trans people would get put back like, "whoawhoawhoawhoa, () first there ()"
  482. :()
  483. (silence)
  484. M2: (clears throat) Ok, so I guess I agree with the strategy of uh...
  485. : of uh, trying to like, pull people
  486. : or like give people counter-narratives or like things that would undermine the foundation of like, um,
  487. : for example Kalvin's politics taking root and people like passing by or whatever,
  488. : Um, I also think that it's important to be like ,
  489. : That it doesn't have to be explicit or that it could be subtle as opposed to um
  490. : like, eh, like telling people to hate their (bodies) instead of people color or immigrants or whatever
  491. : um, because like, I don't think people are incapable of forming their own conclusion it's just they don't have enough information they also have other people telling them what to believe as well
  492. : so I think if we were talking previous information to ()
  493. : yeah i guess I think the most productive information we can use is the stuff that engages in the political ideas he's putting forth at his rally as seemingly simple as they seem to us,
  494. : but basically decimating them
  495. : () with language uh,
  496. : I guess something that's uh, yeah th-that messes up the foundation or like the ground that he can plant those seeds on his ideology
  497. : Which is also ()
  498. : systemic analysis
  499. : I don't think.... like.... it's a fine line between giving people too much
  500. : Like, I guess when people have an ideology or whatever, um which
  501. : I mean once we get inside the ideological stuff, we're probably going to find out not everyone is on the same page
  502. : and for the sake of being able to perceive () this counter event.
  503. : It's we may not want to get bogged down in that kind of thing
  504. : I think, like
  505. <I can't listen to this guy's stuttering mess anymore. Fuck it, I'll work on it tomorrow perhaps once I get some time.>
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