12-07-18T19:05:13  <Kennythehitman> !@#$%meeting 7
2012-07-18T19:05:15  <loocorez> 01:24 <@timg> but anyways.. chances are I won't be attending the meeting tonight
2012-07-18T19:05:18  <Kennythehitman> derp
2012-07-18T19:05:23  <chancez> lol
2012-07-18T19:05:37  <Kennythehitman> Has everyone seen the pull request on Github?
2012-07-18T19:05:43  <chancez> so it sounds like we've got some plan changes Kennythehitman?
2012-07-18T19:05:48  <chancez> Yerp
2012-07-18T19:05:51  <loocorez> Yes
2012-07-18T19:05:57  <Kennythehitman> chancez , yes we might have to reschedule the meeting
2012-07-18T19:05:58  <BrotherGA2> wait... this is my game.... t.i.m.g. Same person?
2012-07-18T19:05:59  <xORioN63> ?
2012-07-18T19:06:05  <Kennythehitman> BrotherGA2 yes
2012-07-18T19:06:14  <BrotherGA2> *light goes off in head*
2012-07-18T19:06:48  <Kennythehitman> I encourage everyone to comment on the pull request, recommend any changes or ideas you have
2012-07-18T19:07:04  <Kennythehitman> Once we agree, we can merge it
2012-07-18T19:07:15  <BrotherGA2> Is there anything we could cover for the people who did come? should we check who's here?
2012-07-18T19:07:43  <Rosur> i'm gonna head of falling asleep... i'll check the logs of the meeting tomorrow.
2012-07-18T19:07:50  <loocorez> Night!
2012-07-18T19:07:52  <BrotherGA2> gnight
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2012-07-18T19:08:31  <Kennythehitman> Rosur we're going to reschedule
2012-07-18T19:08:33  <Kennythehitman> damn
2012-07-18T19:08:42  <Daniel110> why?
2012-07-18T19:08:43  <Kennythehitman> BrotherGA2 a small amount of us are here
2012-07-18T19:09:13  <Kennythehitman> Daniel110 like 90% of the group said they wont be able to make it lol
2012-07-18T19:09:24  <loocorez> didn't like <5 people say that?
2012-07-18T19:09:29  <loocorez> I think the group just shrunk over time
2012-07-18T19:09:34  <xORioN63> ^
2012-07-18T19:09:34  <Daniel110> oh ok
2012-07-18T19:09:47  <Daniel110> can we start working on the project? Why do we need a meeting?
2012-07-18T19:09:54  <Kennythehitman> Well we have 12 members in the organization
2012-07-18T19:09:55  <loocorez> it is to be expected. Beginners commit and bail, people realize they have less time than they can commit
2012-07-18T19:09:56  <xORioN63> We are still lacking some important members...
2012-07-18T19:10:08  <Daniel110> we already know what we want to build and the tools we are using
2012-07-18T19:10:12  <Kennythehitman> Daniel110 : check the pull request, we're still needing to gather feedback on that
2012-07-18T19:10:47  <loocorez> Who was the other guy leading the web proj again?
2012-07-18T19:10:56  <Kennythehitman> nitro
2012-07-18T19:11:10  <loocorez> could he not make it also?
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2012-07-18T19:13:40  <Kennythehitman> I think so
2012-07-18T19:14:05  <BrotherGA2> welp... ok, since we're not having a full meeting today, and until timg finishes the ELI5 guide to working on this, can we talk a little bit about the most important skills people need to start learning ASAP to be able to contribute?
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2012-07-18T19:14:25  <loocorez> yeah maybe a survey of skills people have who are present?
2012-07-18T19:14:36  <loocorez> people who are present have*
2012-07-18T19:16:04  <Kennythehitman> That depends
2012-07-18T19:16:24  <chancez> Kennythehitman: Why not merge it now, and add more with more pull requests?
2012-07-18T19:16:26  <xORioN63> I think you only need to know git, python and django... In fact, you don't even have to know that much, since this is to help people program as well
2012-07-18T19:16:29  <Kennythehitman> If you're wanting to work on the backend, Python and Django are of the highest priority
2012-07-18T19:16:53  <Kennythehitman> chancez , but would everyone else who didn't make it agree?
2012-07-18T19:17:18  <Kennythehitman> If you're wanting to work on the frontend, HTML/CSS/js
2012-07-18T19:17:24  <loocorez> the pull req has been up for17 hrs
2012-07-18T19:17:27  <Kennythehitman> and jQuery
2012-07-18T19:17:49  <loocorez> I saw it before this meeting, anyone else who had something to say should have said something...
2012-07-18T19:17:56  <chancez> Kennythehitman: i mean you can argue later, you can move files around too, organization of this seems rock solid, makes sense, why not make a base people can use
2012-07-18T19:17:59  <chancez> and then work from there
2012-07-18T19:18:00  <Kennythehitman> If you're wanting to work on both, then you'll be doing a lot of learning
2012-07-18T19:18:15  <Kennythehitman> chancez alright I'll merge
2012-07-18T19:18:18  <chancez> Kennythehitman: people who are learning the front end shoudl also learn how jquery templating works.
2012-07-18T19:18:34  <Kennythehitman> brb
2012-07-18T19:18:35  <chancez> Because thats where all the content will be coming from, and thats important to understand, and know how that part works.
2012-07-18T19:19:00  <loocorez> chancez: you mean the beta templating feature?
2012-07-18T19:19:14  <loocorez> if so, I disagree
2012-07-18T19:19:59  <BrotherGA2> this is a bit overwhelming, unfortunately, but I'm optimistic that I'll be able to contribute at least a little. I think I'll just work on finishing CS101 this week and complete the git tutorial. By then we should have more direction so I could figure out where to focus.
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2012-07-18T19:21:05  <chancez> loocorez: beta?
2012-07-18T19:21:24  <chancez> BrotherGA2: it may seem that way at first with anything new
2012-07-18T19:21:29  <loocorez> chancez: http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.template/
2012-07-18T19:21:30  <ArrowBot> Title: jQuery.template() jQuery API (at api.jquery.com)
2012-07-18T19:21:32  <loocorez> that?
2012-07-18T19:21:41  <chancez> loocorez: no, im refering to the django templating
2012-07-18T19:21:48  <loocorez> ah ok good lol
2012-07-18T19:22:48  <chancez> basically im thinking we would develop a simple page, with a template for the new html/css people
2012-07-18T19:23:11  <BrotherGA2> chancez: Yeah... I'm not thinking this is impossible, nor am I thinking this will be easy. It's just "a lot" of material to cover in order to keep up. Once I cover the basics it should get easier, like you said, as it is with anything new.
2012-07-18T19:23:12  <chancez> and then from there we would have django dev's use that as their test page to render content and see if their django code works and pulls the info they want
2012-07-18T19:23:23  <Kennythehitman> Alright, it's merged now
2012-07-18T19:23:27  <chancez> BrotherGA2: right, what are you considered with most?
2012-07-18T19:23:36  <chancez> I can help whenever I can, if I can't ill try to find the answer.
2012-07-18T19:23:59  <chancez> Kennythehitman: we also need to make sure we have django set up using the sql server we plan on using
2012-07-18T19:24:40  <chancez> and then the local stuff probably can be done using a local sql db, or even sqllite, but idk how that works with git since dev would require that we use sqllite, and live require we dont..
2012-07-18T19:24:44  <Kennythehitman> Django is mostly db agnostic, so devs can choose to use sqlite or pgsql up to a point
2012-07-18T19:25:09  <chancez> yeah, but it still matters
2012-07-18T19:25:10  <Kennythehitman> What would you guys want for production, pg?
2012-07-18T19:25:32  <Kennythehitman> Dev doesn't require sqlite
2012-07-18T19:25:57  <chancez> if you want to develop on your own computer, it does, unless everyone sets up mysql or postgres on their own machines
2012-07-18T19:26:02  <Kennythehitman> Changing db config in Django is a matter of editing one set of lines in the settings file
2012-07-18T19:26:13  <loocorez> why not sqlite for prod? consistency, no need for crazy configuration...
2012-07-18T19:26:16  <Kennythehitman> I have postgres and mysql on my machines
2012-07-18T19:26:17  <chancez> yeah, but many people are new with this so im just worried for them
2012-07-18T19:26:19  <loocorez> and sqlite is fine for prod
2012-07-18T19:26:27  <loocorez> unless you're facebook or something
2012-07-18T19:26:32  <Kennythehitman> Ehh
2012-07-18T19:26:39  <chancez> idk, about that
2012-07-18T19:26:50  <chancez> if your using sqllite it'll bottleneck super fast if people begin using our site
2012-07-18T19:27:01  <Kennythehitman> ^
2012-07-18T19:27:03  <BrotherGA2> chancez: I know the very basics of python from taking CS101 (i.e., def statements, if, then, else, while, for, [], return, etc.) and I'm relatively comfortable with linux/terminal. I used to mess around with html when I was a kid. that's about it.
2012-07-18T19:27:30  <loocorez> "s to say, 99.9% of all websites). The amount of web traffic that SQLite can handle depends, of course, on how heavily the website uses its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K hits/day should work fine with SQLite." from their site
2012-07-18T19:27:41  <Kennythehitman> So we agree on sqlite for dev, unless the particular dev so chooses to use pgsql, and pgsql or mysql for prod?
2012-07-18T19:27:44  <loocorez> oops, ignore first third of the sentence
2012-07-18T19:27:59  <chancez> yeah i mean whatever works
2012-07-18T19:28:01  <loocorez> and we're really doing reads, not any writes on prod
2012-07-18T19:28:06  <Kennythehitman> loocorez , what about if our hub really catches on?
2012-07-18T19:28:11  <Kennythehitman> if and when*
2012-07-18T19:28:15  <loocorez> hahaha
2012-07-18T19:28:19  <loocorez> assuming we get anything shipped
2012-07-18T19:28:25  <chancez> assuming, yes.
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2012-07-18T19:28:29  <Kennythehitman> Of course we will
2012-07-18T19:28:32  <chancez> but i mean we've got a lub of subs in the channel
2012-07-18T19:28:32  <BrotherGA2> ^^
2012-07-18T19:28:33  <Kennythehitman> I wont let that not happen
2012-07-18T19:28:37  <chancez> so yeah.
2012-07-18T19:28:42  <chancez> and id like something to add to my resume
2012-07-18T19:28:45  <chancez> sooo
2012-07-18T19:28:49  <chancez> ;)
2012-07-18T19:28:52  <Kennythehitman> And we can always pick up new devs as time goes on as well.
2012-07-18T19:29:03  <Kennythehitman> We lost quite a bit from the first meeting but it's not that bad
2012-07-18T19:29:16  <chancez> BrotherGA2: You'll be okay then :), just ask questions, but try to use your google foo first ;)
2012-07-18T19:29:29  <chancez> It doesn't take a large team to do this work tbh
2012-07-18T19:29:42  <BrotherGA2> yeah. I think the absence is just middle of the week blues and the fact that time zones can never accomodate everyone (it's 1:30 here, for example)
2012-07-18T19:29:44  <chancez> my school usually has 1-3 devs developing apps over a month or two
2012-07-18T19:31:05  <loocorez> my school (my team) has between 4-6 devs... we crank out ~1-3 apps every 2-3 months... but we're working 20 hour weeks
2012-07-18T19:31:20  <loocorez> depends on the complexity greatly. blog will be easy. CMS?
2012-07-18T19:31:42  <Kennythehitman> Brb, I just replaced CentOS on my server with a fresh Ubuntu 12.04 install
2012-07-18T19:32:18  <chancez> Nice.
2012-07-18T19:32:20  <Kennythehitman> We can use it for general deployment tests
2012-07-18T19:32:35  <chancez> I just use a subdomain for my testing.
2012-07-18T19:32:43  <chancez> since i use my webserver for dev at work
2012-07-18T19:32:46  <chancez> and my laptop at home
2012-07-18T19:40:19  <Kennythehitman> Alright, mostly everything is set up
2012-07-18T19:40:50  <Kennythehitman> I think we need to make sure everyone is on the same page about the state of the Github repo
2012-07-18T19:41:12  <Kennythehitman> Namely the people who couldn't come
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2012-07-18T19:42:49  <loocorez> Well, ideally they would read this conversation on pastebin
2012-07-18T19:43:23  <loocorez> or the pull request and the discussion we had on it
2012-07-18T19:43:26  <loocorez> or both
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2012-07-18T19:46:30  <Kennythehitman> Good point
2012-07-18T19:47:04  <Kennythehitman> But still, without more input I think we should wait to decide the direction of the settings.py
2012-07-18T19:47:19  <Kennythehitman> But for everyone who sees this, feel free to submit your pull requests regardless
2012-07-18T19:47:27  <Kennythehitman> We can still move this thing along that way
2012-07-18T19:49:25  <loocorez> We can always commit to undo changes made. It's pretty easy with git. How long are we going to wait for each pull request?
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2012-07-18T19:55:38  <Kennythehitman> It depends
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2012-07-18T19:57:14  <Kennythehitman> We might want to set a standard though, so as to keep things going at a steady pace
2012-07-18T19:58:13  <loocorez> agreed. I
2012-07-18T19:58:56  <loocorez> I'm reconsidering what I said; should be up to your discretion. If something looks funky... should have people explain it imo.
2012-07-18T19:59:10  <loocorez> I guess that goes without saying.
2012-07-18T19:59:11  <loocorez> Ignore me.
2012-07-18T19:59:18  <loocorez> :P
2012-07-18T19:59:45  <Justin___> I was late to the meeting yesterday, do I need to be added to the organization on Github?
2012-07-18T20:00:02  <Kennythehitman> My bad man I was doing server stuff
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2012-07-18T20:00:24  <Kennythehitman> I'm thinking a day at the most, given active participation from at least the majority of the group?
2012-07-18T20:00:33  <loocorez> Kennythehitman: Agreed.
2012-07-18T20:00:50  <loocorez> You could expect a response from me on pretty much anything within 16 at any time.
2012-07-18T20:01:01  <loocorez> but I'll be more helpful on frontend stuff.
2012-07-18T20:01:06  <Kennythehitman> We could have the blog app a deliverable at the very least within a week, but it depends on the activity
2012-07-18T20:01:30  <Kennythehitman> loocorez , HTML/CSS/js?
2012-07-18T20:01:31  <loocorez> agreed, sounds simple enough
2012-07-18T20:01:52  <loocorez> yeah, js/jquery. I mean, I know sql really well but it sounds like django/django-skel uses orm of some sort?
2012-07-18T20:02:13  <loocorez> also php/ruby/rails... which is useless for this project :P
2012-07-18T20:02:18  <loocorez> and c/c++..
2012-07-18T20:02:21  <chancez> brb going home, works over
2012-07-18T20:02:40  <loocorez> chancez: kk
Jul 18 20:05:13 <Kennythehitman>	Alright, your frontend experience will definitely come in handy
Jul 18 20:05:36 <Kennythehitman>	And yes, Django's ORM is pretty good at abstraction
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Jul 18 20:07:28 <loocorez>	sure thing. and good, I like orms lol
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Jul 18 20:18:49 <Daniel110>	what are we using for the db?
Jul 18 20:19:26 <loocorez>	text files, we decided from the start
Jul 18 20:19:36 <loocorez>	http://redditblog.com/db.txt
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Jul 18 20:24:44 <chancez>	back
Jul 18 20:25:36 <chancez>	what did i miss?
Jul 18 20:25:40 <chancez>	does look like to much
Jul 18 20:26:05 <chancez>	doesnt*
Jul 18 20:29:11 <loocorez>	basically yeah
Jul 18 20:29:52 <loocorez>	!@#$%meeting