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  6. Channel ID: -25649261
  7. Channel Name: Private Chat (Nistrodin)
  8. Listener: Capprica
  9. Session started: 2011.10.17 01:25:51
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  12. [ 2011.10.17 01:26:18 ] Nistrodin > Hey pal. Started missioning with a fully outfitted Gila. LOVING it.
  13. [ 2011.10.17 01:26:35 ] Capprica > hey
  14. [ 2011.10.17 01:26:36 ] Capprica > cool
  15. [ 2011.10.17 01:26:44 ] Nistrodin > It's how missioning L3s and L4s should be DONE.
  16. [ 2011.10.17 01:26:50 ] Capprica > whats going on
  17. [ 2011.10.17 01:29:39 ] Nistrodin > Here's the skinny: Set up a very powerful passive shield tanking Orca, a very effective Noctis (using T2 salvagers and a MWD), and then grab an EXTREMELY fast (built for nothing but taxi power) interceptor, put them all in the Orca's corporate ship bay
  18. [ 2011.10.17 01:30:00 ] Nistrodin > Then go out and mission for various factions/corps. It's a win all over the place.
  19. [ 2011.10.17 01:30:41 ] Capprica > i suppose it would be for you pubbies :)\
  20. [ 2011.10.17 01:30:44 ] Nistrodin > Portable station effectively, and yet you can get home (by way of the interceptor) VERY quickly.
  21. [ 2011.10.17 01:31:53 ] Nistrodin > Once again, being told I'm "public" (as we discovered the term "pube" refers to "public" as opposed to "in corp/alliance") doesn't offend me in the slightest.
  22. [ 2011.10.17 01:32:13 ] Nistrodin > I don't lose ships. You do.
  23. [ 2011.10.17 01:32:52 ] Capprica > you realize i never did missions right?
  24. [ 2011.10.17 01:33:23 ] Nistrodin > I can fly a Gila fully fitted (that being a cruiser) with all faction outfits and not have to worry about being ganked, and I can raise my skills with Improved cybers (2700SP/H) where you cant.
  25. [ 2011.10.17 01:33:51 ] Capprica > are you saying you arent worried about being ganked?
  26. [ 2011.10.17 01:33:53 ] Nistrodin > That would explain your weak overall SP.
  27. [ 2011.10.17 01:34:05 ] Nistrodin > Not NEARLY as much as you should be.
  28. [ 2011.10.17 01:34:43 ] Nistrodin > Basically, no. I fly my "taxi" Grease Lightning afk.
  29. [ 2011.10.17 01:34:46 ] Capprica > cause i could get someone to run a locator agent on you pretty easily, make it a corp op to come ruin your epic pubbie status
  30. [ 2011.10.17 01:35:12 ] Nistrodin > I also fly my Orca (with a 1B ISK Gila inside it) also AFK.
  31. [ 2011.10.17 01:35:19 ] Capprica > if youw ant to keep swinging your pubbie dick around that is
  32. [ 2011.10.17 01:35:36 ] Capprica > sounds like a nice pricey kill mail
  33. [ 2011.10.17 01:35:40 ] Capprica > our kb could use it
  34. [ 2011.10.17 01:35:52 ] Nistrodin > Well, if you want to keep talking about how you are so great and "pubbies" are so weak, I'm going to keep braggin.
  35. [ 2011.10.17 01:35:56 ] Nistrodin > YOu started it.
  36. [ 2011.10.17 01:36:09 ] Capprica > i didnt say you were weak
  37. [ 2011.10.17 01:36:44 ] Capprica > i could care less how awesome your gila fit is
  38. [ 2011.10.17 01:37:07 ] Nistrodin > But if I find out you got me targetted, we won't be chatting much in the future. You asked me to NOT measure dicks with you anymore, but this time YOU started it.
  39. [ 2011.10.17 01:37:30 ] Nistrodin > I just followed suit.
  40. [ 2011.10.17 01:37:51 ] Capprica > if i was targeting you, you'd be getting a wardec about now
  41. [ 2011.10.17 01:38:02 ] Nistrodin > Fair enough.
  42. [ 2011.10.17 01:38:37 ] Nistrodin > In High Sec it can (and often is) done much more subltey.
  43. [ 2011.10.17 01:39:06 ] Capprica > well a wardec would just make things annoying for you
  44. [ 2011.10.17 01:39:09 ] Nistrodin > A wardec is when you hate the whole corp, and REALLY want to hurt them, and have the isk to make it happen.
  45. [ 2011.10.17 01:39:18 ] Capprica > if i really wanted you dead, you wouldnt see it coming :)
  46. [ 2011.10.17 01:39:26 ] Nistrodin > Exactly.
  47. [ 2011.10.17 01:39:47 ] Capprica > but it would be TEST wardec'ing you, probably goons too
  48. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:00 ] Capprica > they have fleets that roam highsec looking for targets
  49. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:06 ] Capprica > not that i participate in that
  50. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:14 ] Nistrodin > Fair enough, we'd lock down, clean out our POS and expect it to die. Minor issue for us.
  51. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:24 ] Capprica > nah they wouldnt attack your pos
  52. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:33 ] Capprica > nobody likes pos shooting, and its pointless in highsec
  53. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:34 ] Nistrodin > Then we'd wait out the wardec.
  54. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:46 ] Capprica > what makes you think it would ever end?
  55. [ 2011.10.17 01:40:46 ] Nistrodin > And we'd lose nothing but time.
  56. [ 2011.10.17 01:41:03 ] Nistrodin > Because it gets more expensive every week.
  57. [ 2011.10.17 01:41:10 ] Capprica > all we'd have to do is reimburse the alliance for the wardec cost, so we could keep it up forever
  58. [ 2011.10.17 01:41:40 ] Nistrodin > Eventually you'd lose interest or run out of isk.
  59. [ 2011.10.17 01:41:49 ] Capprica > our wallet is more then fat enough to keep you dec'd for 6 months
  60. [ 2011.10.17 01:41:50 ] Nistrodin > And then we'd begin playing again.
  61. [ 2011.10.17 01:41:58 ] Nistrodin > *shrug*
  62. [ 2011.10.17 01:42:13 ] Nistrodin > fair enough, we can play on our non-corped chars.
  63. [ 2011.10.17 01:42:39 ] Capprica > or hell, if you get tierd enough, you could all join another corp lol
  64. [ 2011.10.17 01:42:47 ] Capprica > then we could wardec that corp :D
  65. [ 2011.10.17 01:43:18 ] Nistrodin > not going to happen, if we play on our non-TWOI chars, NOONE knows those chars, and we like it that way.
  66. [ 2011.10.17 01:43:34 ] Nistrodin > They are all anonymous.
  67. [ 2011.10.17 01:43:45 ] Capprica > right, cause you're really paranoid
  68. [ 2011.10.17 01:43:50 ] Nistrodin > INdeed.
  69. [ 2011.10.17 01:44:11 ] Nistrodin > Safety requires such.. Look at what's happened to some of the Zero sec corps.
  70. [ 2011.10.17 01:44:31 ] Capprica > zero sec corps always find a way to survive
  71. [ 2011.10.17 01:45:00 ] Nistrodin > And if that happens to them, they will NEVER be allowed to forget it by anyone who saw it happen.
  72. [ 2011.10.17 01:45:01 ] Capprica > and the players generally dont run back to highsec if the corp has problems, unless they suck
  73. [ 2011.10.17 01:45:35 ] Nistrodin > Oh, you are awesome, BUT.. Didn't 2 years ago you lose about 3 Frieghters and xxx to someone who fucked you over???
  74. [ 2011.10.17 01:46:21 ] Capprica > what?
  75. [ 2011.10.17 01:46:29 ] Nistrodin > Example.
  76. [ 2011.10.17 01:46:40 ] Capprica > i havent lost any freighters
  77. [ 2011.10.17 01:47:12 ] Nistrodin > Having ever been fucked over by the inside you are never really trustworthy again.
  78. [ 2011.10.17 01:47:50 ] Nistrodin > I'm not necissarily talking about you, I'm talking about the shit we see on the news (eve news).
  79. [ 2011.10.17 01:47:58 ] Capprica > evenews24?
  80. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:14 ] Nistrodin > You see it when you log in on the right side of the screen.
  81. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:24 ] Capprica > oh that?? lol
  82. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:29 ] Capprica > nobody reads that crap
  83. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:36 ] Nistrodin > The biggest (most insane) losses are laid bare for everyone to see.
  84. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:44 ] Capprica > so what
  85. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:52 ] Capprica > read en24, that shit is happing all the time
  86. [ 2011.10.17 01:48:58 ] Capprica > russians lost 4 titans the other day
  87. [ 2011.10.17 01:49:03 ] Nistrodin > Thanks but I'd rather NOT be a corp laid bare that way.
  88. [ 2011.10.17 01:49:33 ] Nistrodin > Someone from the inside takes 1/2 our assets or more and bails.
  89. [ 2011.10.17 01:49:56 ] Capprica > so you're affraid of being embarrised by the eve news service if you lose big stuff in null sec, which is why you hide in highsec? Is that about right?
  90. [ 2011.10.17 01:50:35 ] Nistrodin > Nah, I don't "hide" in High sec.
  91. [ 2011.10.17 01:50:42 ] Capprica > yes you do
  92. [ 2011.10.17 01:50:44 ] Nistrodin > I don't want to be a part of a big corp.
  93. [ 2011.10.17 01:50:48 ] Nistrodin > Period.
  94. [ 2011.10.17 01:51:58 ] Nistrodin > If you can find a way for a non-PVP corp to survive in Low/zero sec without having to be over 20 members and still join an alliance, I'm all for it.
  95. [ 2011.10.17 01:52:19 ] Nistrodin > er, rather not MUCH pvp.
  96. [ 2011.10.17 01:52:27 ] Nistrodin > but yes, we can do that too.
  97. [ 2011.10.17 01:52:50 ] Capprica > nope
  98. [ 2011.10.17 01:52:52 ] Capprica > you cant
  99. [ 2011.10.17 01:52:57 ] Nistrodin > Just not interested in doing it either A) on any schedule or B) because we have to.
  100. [ 2011.10.17 01:53:30 ] Nistrodin > Exactly, so we aren't hiding, we just don't want to join another corp (that's the main thing) and we also don't want to be forced to do ANYTHING.
  101. [ 2011.10.17 01:54:11 ] Capprica > ok then stay in highsec and do whatever you do, be the master of your orca and gilas, run l4 missions forever and salvage it up with your super fast NOCTIS!
  102. [ 2011.10.17 01:54:47 ] Nistrodin > Don't forget getting cool shit from WH work and building T3s :)
  103. [ 2011.10.17 01:55:24 ] Nistrodin > Oh, and making more ISK/char than you alliance (not corp, but corp as well) could ever dream of.
  104. [ 2011.10.17 01:56:08 ] Nistrodin > You have so many bodies, it dilutes what each player really "has" Not true of us.
  105. [ 2011.10.17 01:56:29 ] Nistrodin > I want a Faction fitted Rattlesnake (about 3 B isk) I can have it tonight.
  106. [ 2011.10.17 01:57:31 ] Capprica > hahah yeah right
  107. [ 2011.10.17 01:57:34 ] Nistrodin > Your corp (sans the leaders, and I know you are one of them, but we are talking about the "average" member) cannot do that, and certainly the average bloke in your corp/alliance can't have a Cap Ship. I get a Freighter (which is sold, one of 3) every 8
  108. [ 2011.10.17 01:57:36 ] Nistrodin > days
  109. [ 2011.10.17 01:58:13 ] Nistrodin > Dude, I can.
  110. [ 2011.10.17 01:58:19 ] Capprica > our average member could pretty much murder you any time :)
  111. [ 2011.10.17 01:58:29 ] Nistrodin > We have over 5 B in just 1 part of our bank.
  112. [ 2011.10.17 01:58:42 ] Capprica > oh shit, 5 bil??
  113. [ 2011.10.17 01:58:50 ] Capprica > no way
  114. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:03 ] Nistrodin > Yay. And he would lose HUGE standing if he podded me.
  115. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:06 ] Nistrodin > Yes.
  116. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:25 ] Nistrodin > If he just killed me, well I'm out a ship wow. exciting.
  117. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:27 ] Capprica > if who podded you
  118. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:30 ] Capprica > wtf are you talking about
  119. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:40 ] Nistrodin > One of your members.
  120. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:47 ] Capprica > we dont care about standings
  121. [ 2011.10.17 01:59:52 ] Nistrodin > The ones who could "kill me anytime they wanted to".
  122. [ 2011.10.17 02:00:08 ] Nistrodin > Well, they will if they can't get into 1.0 sec and get me.
  123. [ 2011.10.17 02:00:11 ] Capprica > lets be specific;
  124. [ 2011.10.17 02:00:46 ] Capprica > when you say "the one" , really its, "any one"
  125. [ 2011.10.17 02:01:28 ] Nistrodin > Yeah, because I am a total weakling and couldn't even save myself in High Sec in a ship with over 100K EHP.
  126. [ 2011.10.17 02:02:00 ] Nistrodin > Against 1 ship that your awesome team sent against me into High sec.
  127. [ 2011.10.17 02:02:48 ] Capprica > noob ship
  128. [ 2011.10.17 02:02:59 ] Capprica > 125mm ac's :D
  129. [ 2011.10.17 02:04:04 ] Nistrodin > You do realize that Concord would have wasted any 1 ship that attacks any 1 ship of mine if my ship has over 100k EHP WELL before my ship dies.
  130. [ 2011.10.17 02:04:53 ] Nistrodin > We are talking about ships that have a tank of over 500.
  131. [ 2011.10.17 02:05:23 ] Nistrodin > Unless you were talking about killing my taxi, and if that is your goal, congrats, you win.
  132. [ 2011.10.17 02:07:53 ] Nistrodin > my Gila has a 50k EHP and 540 tank, my Orca has over 140k HP and I believe a 70 tank (though I promise you won't get through it's tank before Concord has enjoyed eating you for breakfast).
  133. [ 2011.10.17 02:08:24 ] Nistrodin > Again, assuming only 1 ship.
  134. [ 2011.10.17 02:08:41 ] Nistrodin > And remember, it must be a Marauder or smaller, welcome to High Sec.
  135. [ 2011.10.17 02:09:36 ] Nistrodin > Now, 5 Marauders against my Orca? Yeah, you probably will eat me. But that's a lot of standing loss for 5 chars, just to prove a point.
  136. [ 2011.10.17 02:10:09 ] Nistrodin > Pod me? A HUGE amount of standing loss for that char specifically.
  137. [ 2011.10.17 02:10:42 ] Nistrodin > Standing with Concord that is, I.E. security status and your ability to ever get back to Jita.
  138. [ 2011.10.17 02:11:54 ] Nistrodin > Did someone piss in your cornflakes today? Why did you start off with a dick measuring contest with me given you were the one who said you didn't like them?
  139. [ 2011.10.17 02:13:24 ] Nistrodin > I certainly wasn't out for that, just wanted to be a little excited about my newest accomplishments, you had to say "oh that's great for a pube" and it was on....
  140. [ 2011.10.17 02:14:13 ] Nistrodin > I don't piss on you getting an Egg online (even if I COULD point out that eventually it will not be yours, odds promise that).
  141. [ 2011.10.17 02:16:06 ] Nistrodin > Or your POS defense or assaults, I just say "very cool bud, tell me about the situation, what's the nitty gritty of it, and how's it going killing it?" I show interest, but don't demean it by saying "not to worry, in 2 months you'll have to fight for
  142. [ 2011.10.17 02:16:11 ] Nistrodin > it or have lost it anyway.
  143. [ 2011.10.17 02:17:30 ] Nistrodin > You may think what I do futile and "beneath you" but I (in many ways) feel the same for your efforts because I know you are losing a LOT of what you make to combat, ALL of what we make goes to profit or PLEX. But I don't rub that in your face. So
  144. [ 2011.10.17 02:18:45 ] Nistrodin > don't rub your "feeling that you do "better" shit" in mine. Just be polite and ask about what's new and be curious and polite, as you've asked of me. (and you were right to before, I was getting rather obnoxious with my dick measuring before, but I
  145. [ 2011.10.17 02:18:59 ] Nistrodin > acknowedged it and stopped it.)
  146. [ 2011.10.17 02:31:38 ] Nistrodin > Oh, and we went from 800M isk to 4B isk in about 1 month, we just decided to save for awhile, we want to put about 10B away for safe keeping in case we choose to relocate or are otherwise put to task. Either way we should have that 10 in about 2 months
  147. [ 2011.10.17 02:33:12 ] Nistrodin > It shouldn't be a surprise, any corp who can plex 6 chars and still field a fully faction fitted Rattlesnake (about 3B isk) would have that kind of ISK to play with.
  148. [ 2011.10.17 02:33:37 ] Nistrodin > Correction: Can field that Rattle at the drop of a hat.
  149. [ 2011.10.17 02:36:04 ] Nistrodin > The key being: We don't have corp/alliance/Zero sec (I.E. IHUD expenses, just the expenses of 1 POS and 6 accounts worth of PLEX).
  150. [ 2011.10.17 02:36:33 ] Nistrodin > Everything else is PHAT gravy.
  151. [ 2011.10.17 02:37:51 ] Nistrodin > And once you have everyone doing L5 PI, L5 invention, L5 manufacturing, L4 R+D, missioning and ice mining at liesure, it's cake.
  152. [ 2011.10.17 02:40:02 ] Nistrodin > Can't build an Egg, can't fly a cap ship, can't kill anyone I want (without consequences), but..... Pay is TOTALLY solid, and doing experimental shit is very possible (WH work and incursion battles with guys I don't know).
  153. [ 2011.10.17 02:40:55 ] Nistrodin > Plus I answer to NO ONE. I argue about funding with ONLY Nathan and Clif. Can't beat that with a stick.
  154. [ 2011.10.17 02:43:08 ] Nistrodin > Oh, and I've got the rather annoying issue of agents sending me on missions I hate. Can only turn them away every 4 hours, or go back to ice mining. Little annoying. Currently waiting out my last asshole mission that would have taken me into low sec
  155. [ 2011.10.17 02:45:04 ] Nistrodin > But, if I was really fed up with it, I can always fly home (in my taxi at very high speed, less than 30 mins for 34 hops) and ice mine with my team there for very good profit. Just a bit boring.
  156. [ 2011.10.17 02:48:14 ] Nistrodin > Fuck I love having my major source of DPS be drones. Ammo is INSANE cheap, and given it's only supplementary to what I do, I can buy it easily anywhere.
  157. [ 2011.10.17 02:49:44 ] Nistrodin > I'm lucky if I use 30 missles in a mission, everything else is drones and I have repair drones, so all my drones (other than some very rare and unfortunate situations) come home perfectly repaired.
  158. [ 2011.10.17 02:50:11 ] Nistrodin > Thus far I've lost just 1 drone in my Gila.
  159. [ 2011.10.17 02:52:33 ] Nistrodin > 27 minutes until I can decline this mission, and 35 until I've hit Caldari Crusier 4 (big bonus to shield tank) I think I'll wait and see how sad my L3s have become, they were weak before, but they should just be DAAAMN now.
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