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Why do apps have to be a federal fucking issue

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Why are our standards so ridiculously high

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An app has two purposes:

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1: give the player some busywork to prove they're serious about joining

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2: to prove they can fucking spell

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Because, for some god awful reason, RP has become serious business...

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Now it's seriously gotten to the point where it's almost as stressful as applying for a job

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I just want to RP in a game

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Not be told my OC is generic

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Like I'm fucking ibsulted

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Insulted

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/nods/ It's ridiculous, to be honest. It makes me want to avoid games and just hang out in dressing rooms and stuff. Between HMDs, app processes, and maintaining insane levels of activity for some games, --

Presentbringer Yesterday
When Teyud got accepted without a revision request I was genuinely surprised! That's how bad it's gotten

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one would think we forgot what RP started for... to have fun.

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They want revisions and a new RP sample

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do you have any idea how hard it is to get people to tag OCs?

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:-(

Princess Emily Yesterday
this is y I don't think I'd be down for even joining a normal game any more

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What's also frustrating is that none of us are professional writers. Well, maybe some are... but not all. And not everyone is amazing at channeling a character. But the point is for us to just have fun.

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A lot of places have lost sight of that.

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I'll admit Lin isn't the most complex character

Squish Cat Yesterday
It's still a ton easier than the PBEM circuit I started out in. I try writing 5000-word histories for DWRPs and get told that "no one wants to read a novel."

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But I mean why does she have to be?

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Oh, man... PBeM... when I first made the shift to LJ, it was weird not to write a novel with every tag.

Presentbringer Yesterday
The problem is I still like being in journal RPs

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It's the experience I prefer

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I went from chat room, to PBeM, to BBS, to Yahoo! Groups (which were an entity unto themselves, I swear), and then to journals. I even tried a group blog style once. Each one's different, and it can get crazy.

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So I'm probably going to do the damn revisions

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I'm just

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But, also, a lot of the older RPs weren't as strict as some of the ones I see now when it comes to apps. I feel like a lot of games are becoming more elitist.

Presentbringer Yesterday
Why is this such a goddamn issue

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Calm down, mods

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There also used to be a lot more OCs in RP.

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Combined with the rise of app cycles

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It's just so damn hard

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Well, having been a mod, I can understand app cycles.

Presentbringer Yesterday
App cycles, revisions, challenge apps, required reserves,

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I feel like app cycles should be more middle ground, though. Like... apps are open all the time, but we're only going through the approval process during this time period.

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Because it can be hard to constantly have to be meeting with other mods and approving apps.

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I have been a mod and I do not understand app cycles

Princess Emily Yesterday
this is why I like drift fleet. it's so laid back because everybody is an rp vet who doesn't wanna deal with that shit any more.

SniperBot says Yesterday
I have been a mod and I also hate app cycles.

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For me, my mod team had weird schedules and we were all in different time zones, so getting a consensus every time an app came in was hard. So, having approvals all done at a specified time made it easier for--

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us to schedule it.

Presentbringer Yesterday
We would just let one mod approve the app. No need to get everyone involved most of the time

Princess Emily Yesterday
yeeah

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I can see that, too. I think, for us, we had issues of people approving apps independently, and had some favortism going on, so we initiated the whole consensus method to avoid that.

Vehrec Yesterday
Same when I was modding, though to be fair, I did most of the apps myself and we were in a very small static game.

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Like, one player was just injecting characters into the game without an app at all, and one of the mods was like, "Oh, but I saw her app."

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So, we had to deal with that somehow.

Presentbringer Yesterday
I liked drift fleet's style. I just wasn't super into the actual game

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Which is a pity

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It is. I would have loved for a super laid back style, but when a player abuses their friendship with one of the mods, something has to be done about that.

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Like in my mind approving an app shouldn't take more than half an hours tops

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So anyways I'm probably definitely going to join beholdthevoid's thing

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I'm just so damn sick of it all

SniperBot says Yesterday
When I was modding we would each have gmail labels in the modmail we would slap on after reviewing the app. Like , each of us would have an Accept, Revise, and Reject label with our names on it.

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If you were putting your accept label on an app and yours was the last one, you sent out the acceptance.

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For 90% of apps there was no need to meet at all.

Presentbringer Yesterday
That also makes sense

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Anyways to work with me

Kaja Reindeer Yesterday
I've been noticing app standards getting more strict too. An app that was accepted by Drama Drama Duck was outright rejected by Empathieas.

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I also notice that old apps I've had are harder to recycle. Like, I used to just use the same app from game to game, and people were okay with that, because they all knew it was my app anyway. Now it's like...

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no, you can't reuse an old app. We want a new one from scratch.

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But, we didn't have a mod email back when I was modding, so there was no labeling or foldering or anything like that. And, when you have one mod claiming to get apps personally from a player, we had to do--

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something... This was like ages ago, too. Now, making a mod Gmail is a standard, but we didn't have that back then.

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I haven't modded in like... years... so I have no idea what people do now.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
speaking as part of the mod team in DF....yeah this plurk is exactly why we try so hard to be laid back

Princess Emily Yesterday
(this plurk makes me wanna rp Ashlyn now, thanks)

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
so many games take themselves way too seriously, tbh. And I get where the impulse is comes from, I think we've all had to deal with RPers who were just...not good.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and it made it harder to enjoy

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
but at the same time I feel too many mods try too hard to police for that

Behold the Void Yesterday
Funny you should mention I was hoping to find time to actually work on that tonight

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Because I too, am sick of the BS

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I just wanna have some fun if I RP

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I used to be one of those really picky people back when I was in Paradisa, but I think my time in Exsilium and BNW loosened me upa nd made me realize

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
RP is way more fun if you don't sweat perfect ICness or high caliber writing

Behold the Void Yesterday
That's always been my philosophy which is why BNW was as it was

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
YEAH and BNW was a lot of fun. it was fun designing the AU, the entire world lore was fun, the laid back atmosphere of it all

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I'm not even into pokemon, and I still had a blast during my time there

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
so much so that I apped my BNW character into DF because I love playing with the concept so much

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
AUing in BNW was so much fun

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I loved the concept, really.

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It was a fun AU to play with.

HurricaneChris Yesterday
I can't even remember the last time I worked on an app.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
but yea I really wish more games would just....chill the fuck out.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I remember when I apped to Eachdraidh, I think I spent more time on that app than I did working on a college application

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
which was completely absurd

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Like there should definitely be some thought put into explicating your character's personality, I think, but probably less than mods of big games seem to want

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
especially when we all know an app isn't actually a good indicator of how good a player will be...?

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I remember re-apping to a game several years after I had dropped, and they said my original app was no longer good enough. u_u;;

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
And in a game with a good deal of mechanics or an AU, thought should be put into those

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
But beyond that?

Wight Christmas Yesterday
the problem is probably that you're apping an OC

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Yeah that's definitely Eric's "problem"

Wight Christmas Yesterday
they have super vigorous checks

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah and OCs have such stigma

Wight Christmas Yesterday
what i'm saying is

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
which sucks

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
There's a bias against those because of a few bad apples who have been, to be fair, really bad.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
because I love OCs even if I don't app them that often

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah

Wight Christmas Yesterday
the difficulty you're running into is because it's an oc and people judge oc apps super harshly

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/nods/ That's true, too.

Wight Christmas Yesterday
like at the first game I modded

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah. WHich sucks a lot because like...put any canon character through that "Mary Sue Test"

Wight Christmas Yesterday
we more or less went 'meh' on all the apps and then

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and they will fail miserably, I guarentee it

Wight Christmas Yesterday
there would be OC ALERT ALL HANDS ON DECK

Wight Christmas Yesterday
EVERYONE READ THIS AND MAKE SURE IT'S OK

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
oh yeah

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OCs have a bad rep because of some really bad players in the past, and now it's super hard to app one somewhere.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and sadly I gotta say, it's actually loosened up on the OC front since the LJRP days

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
like at least a lot of games allow OCs at all

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I remember back in the LJRP days, most games wouldn't have them period.

Wight Christmas Yesterday
yeah

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/nods/ I remember that, too.

Wight Christmas Yesterday
empatheias didn't allow OCs for a year

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I also remember that pre-journal, a lot of games were canon specific and OCs were the ONLY thing allowed. Funny how things shift.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
Paradisa the idea of OCs got brought up several times and each time there'd be excuses found not to do it

Gokai Christmas Yesterday
Having also dealt with OCs from a mod POV I get the stigma, because I dealt with a lot of varying quality. But I hate it because haha, I'm never apping one of mine somewhere

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
oh yeah my time as mod I've seen some shitty OC apps. Or ones who have made horrendous choices.

Gokai Christmas Yesterday
While I feel like a lot of rotten apples have been weeded out there it creates far too much work for me to want to even make the attempt.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
but at the same time, you get that with canon characters too, probably at the same rate

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
if not more so

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
because canon characters aren't as policed

Vehrec Yesterday
The worst app I ever saw was a canon character

Gokai Christmas Yesterday
Oh for sure

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Yeah you really have to watch canon characters, especially big names from popular canons

Gokai Christmas Yesterday
If not more so

Vehrec Yesterday
which was a guy who was just like 'This is a blank slate no dialogue protagonist, let him in.'

Vehrec Yesterday
I exagerate only slightly.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
ROFL

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
The most fun I ever had writing an app was ascribing a personality to a blank slate no dialog protagonist

NekoIncardine Yesterday
It's a weird behavior, to say the least. I know that if I were to try moderating a game, I would probably go out of my way to avoid high app standards.

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
And this was P4 Protag before the Persona 4 anime, mind you. I was literally pulling stuff out of my ass.

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Okay

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Not literally

NekoIncardine Yesterday
Slightly higher than say Genessia, but not too much so

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yuck lol

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
I was literally making stuff up, how about that

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
Soujis were some of the characters characters I've played again ok

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
*best characters

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
I love Sooj and I love playing off other peoples' Soojes

NekoIncardine Yesterday
Let no one at a thing I create ever be inspired to write a 30000+-word app. :V

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I love P4, the absurdly cheerful game about murder

NekoIncardine Yesterday
</STILLFEELSBADABOUTTHATONESIXYEARSLATER>

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
ROFL yeah we...ended up having to put a word limit cap on ours sflsfjds

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I think the longest we ever got was like 10k and were like rofl okay

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
no one has time for this

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Second most fun I ever had writing an app was trying to condense Beatrice the Golden's personality into 500 words

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
That was a fucking challenge run

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I got an app for Itachi from Naruto where fully half the content was talking about how irresistibly beautiful he is.

Princess Emily Yesterday
I remember back when ocs were just starting to be allowed into journal rps, there would be separate apps for canon characters and ocs

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Note: nobody in canon ever comments on his appearance one way or another.

Princess Emily Yesterday
with like ten billion times more stringent requirements

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
I only ever saw that when it added sections for explaining the OC's world, myself

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
oh yeah I remember those apps

NekoIncardine Yesterday
I will admit, coming from forum RP where OCs were the majority and canons looked at closely, the OC-unfriendly pattern of LJRP was... Daunting at first

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
I came here from forum RP and I was like "wtf you play established fictional characters lol ok I'll give it a shot"

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
(Most of my tabletop/PbP OCs were just ripoffs of established fictional characters anyway)

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I came from Star Trek PBeM and BBS/Forum where all characters were OCs and canon characters were mod-played NPCs at most... and usually it was a bare, cursory acknowledgement to keep the game aligned with --

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canon timelines.

Wight Christmas Yesterday
we judged people who played canon characters so hard

Wight Christmas Yesterday
hahaha look at these losers playing glorified fanfiction

Wight Christmas Yesterday
we have creativity~

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
ROFL

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
i feel like there is no RP community that is free of some sort of cultural snobbery

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I liked Yahoo! Groups, because I felt like there was a balance between canon and OCs, but, at the same time, it was loaded with Mary Sues and self-inserts... people playing canon OCs that didn't fit in canon --

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another one.

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We had one girl who insisted that her OC could have wings because she saw it in fanart of the series, even though it never happens in canon. u_u;;

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When someone asked her about it, she admitted to never having seen the actual series.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
welp

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that was a learning moment on how fanfic and fanart are not canon... lol

Behold the Void Yesterday
I still see a lot of Sue OCs and honestly? I don't really care

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Because canon characters can be just as bad

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
oh yeah. there's bad in any catergory

Behold the Void Yesterday
If you want to run a Sue OC in a game more power to you, getting CR is going to be a bitch but if you can pull it off, good for you

HurricaneChris Yesterday
Depends on how thirsty the other players are.

HurricaneChris Yesterday
I think one of the reasons for the stigma is that OCs are more likely to be more nebulously defined.

HurricaneChris Yesterday
I've seen some OCs who suddenly developed powers that they never indicated on their apps.

HurricaneChris Yesterday
(Which, if that happens, the mods should shut that shit down.)

Behold the Void Yesterday
I don't know why you wouldn't just ban the player honestly

Behold the Void Yesterday
"Hey you lied on your app. Get out"

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I had a terribly Sue canon OC, and people still played with her, but this was ages ago... back when I played on Yahoo. I'd be afraid to show her anywhere today.

St. Nick Yesterday
DW is so weird to me with its thing with OCs. I started out on message boards and PBEM RPs where there were OCs everywhere. Even canon OCs and nothing bad ever really happened

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So it was a bit weird when I eventually migrated over here and ran into such a stigma about them

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Ultimately, OCs aren't bad unless they're used as an excuse to godmode

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Which is bad and against the universal rules of RP no matter who does it

Presentbringer Yesterday
Wow this plurk exploded

Behold the Void Yesterday
I almost feel like some teams fear OCs because they aren't comfortable exercising mod power after the fact

St. Nick Yesterday
I think the worst I saw was a guy with a D&D based OC who tried to claim that Power Word: Kill would instakill any character but the mods vetoed it anyway

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
That's not even how it works in the game

Behold the Void Yesterday
And since every mod decision will inevitably show up on Wankgate if it offends ANYBODY, well

HurricaneChris Yesterday
Definitely, Void.

HurricaneChris Yesterday
People are too afraid of confrontations.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeeeep

Presentbringer Yesterday
God remember in Planeocracy when we all had mod icons with our actual damn handles on them?

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You don't see that very much anymore

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and honestly lbr, when you're in the mod position and there are muns who throw you into WG every time there's somthing they dont' like

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
it's super easy to get into an us vs. them mentality in regards to the players

Presentbringer Yesterday
Monolithic faceless mod journals are growing more popular

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That's the problem with places like rp-anon and wankgate... because people run there and whine and say horrible things about each other under the anon cover instead of just addressing the problem face-to-face

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
so like mods will go out of their way looking for things to police and keep in check so it doesn't spiral out of control

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
oh yeah

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Like, they're good for certain things, but I feel like people abuse the anon thing just to hurt others.

Presentbringer Yesterday
Makes it easier to hide from confrontations

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
I have this one anon who has just been hating on me for like 5-7 years now

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I don't like anon mods, because I know a couple people who would make every game that came into their head and abandon them at the drop of a hat.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
like every time something comes up that I'm even remotely connected to, they try to bring me into it as the biggest bitch to ever exist

St. Nick Yesterday
Anoncomms are the worst thing to happen to RP

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
to this day I have no idea why this person hates me so much ROFL

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And if the mods are anon I don't know their track record.

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I had someone on wankgate bring up stupid wank on me from like 10 years ago. And it was like, seriously? If you have nothing major and nothing recent, go eff off.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and not in a "how could anyone hate me" sort of way, because I'm very sure I can easily be grating to some people, but just rofl what could I have even done to make you hold this grudge for this long

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and never talk to me about it

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Like if the game's been around for a while I can judge on that but if it's new, I'm very leery.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
PikaBot: BUT YEAH I AGREE, I'm totally against anon mods

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
because there's no way to hold them accountable and I feel mods should be held accountable just as much as any person in a position of power

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/nods/

St. Nick Yesterday
I had somebody call me a neckbeard because i play Ryuko. I laughed about it on plurk. Later on i found out that I became "the guy who bragged about being on Wankgate"

St. Nick Yesterday
And I don't blame anon mods at all. If I was going to mod a game here I'd never put my name on it either.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and I say that as a mod. Putting my name on everything holds me accountable and makes me less inclined to go with my more...tyrant impulses

St. Nick Yesterday
I have modded here before too.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Wankgate is, at its core, a weapon designed for shitposting and hurting people you don't like. It's also served to exacerbate the communication problem inherent in DWRP.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
it's true

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it really has

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and to cause disproportionate representation for a part of the DWRP population that's honestly the minority

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Another one that was bad was RP Secrets

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
god i'm so glad RP secrets is dead

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Like, my grudgewanker is terrified to speak with me face to face because, and this is true, I 'have a way of grabbing onto something they say and holding to it until they're not sure they're right'

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Or, to translate, 'I do not just swallow their bullshit wholeheartedly and expect them to prove what they are saying.'

St. Nick Yesterday
Dreamwidth RP would be great if it weren't for all the goddammed roleplayers

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
So instead when she wanted to join a game I was in, near as I can see she decided to incite a fucking riot to force me out, and someone associated with her decided it would be cool to do some ultra shady shit

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
uuuugh

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Which resulted in my exit, which, hey, I do not blame on the modstaff. I shoulda' had my passwords on lock and that's, sadly, the game you play sometimes.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
that's just awful

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Eh, in fairness I did drop deets on them back when they were partially responsible for the crash of a game I liked, but they'd had that coming for several years due to being given every chance to

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wow...

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
not be a total shitheel to multiple people over a period of ~7 years

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
"Dropping deets" is different from fucking hacking

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
it wasn't hacking

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
well, technically

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
(Unless you doxxed them, there's no excuse for that)

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
it's still taking over your journal and doing shit to get you in trouble

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
(But I doubt anyone I know would do that)

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
They had access to a mod email account which I sent my password to for a mimic event at an old game and I use the same password between dw and plurk?

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
So they grabbed a plurk I used and pretended to be me pretending to be someone else defending me and then the person I was 'pretending' to be saw it so.

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Well okay "social engineering" is still the same thing, morally

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
yeah... that's pretty low

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Like, realtalk, expertly done sabotage because I can't fucking prove it. But I did wind up having to change my phone number because I put that in a pp too and... yeah.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah that's crazy low

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:-(

yafilthyanimal Yesterday
Also, pretty sure illegal

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
On the one hand, I want to tip my hat to them because well fucking played, on the other hand I want to kick them in the face because but seriously that's outside the realm of decency

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
But they figure it's okay because their victim complexes justtfy it by saying I'm... what was it again?

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
a cheating, lying, transphobic pedophine who ship pushes and pressures people to play smut with them

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
So it's p clearly 100% okay and justified.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
But yeah, it's exacerbated the 'nobody can just fucking talk to each other' syndrome to a huge degree, and since nobody can be adults anymore everyone acts like they're five and nobody talks anymore.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
well i wouldn't say that "everyone acts like they're five and nobody talks anymore", because I do feel like in a lot of ways, things like plurk really have open lines of communication

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Yeah, that's an unfair generalization tomake.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and wg and rpa, while still around, don't get the same amount of traction and attention they used to get

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
I guess it'd be more accurate to say that 'when people do have a problem, they never actually discuss it with the person they have an issue with to try and resolve things'

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
they are definitely treated more like white noise these days than anything else.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
'and instead frequently attempt to bitch on wg or rpa or what have you, likely exacerbating the issue.'

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah and that is a problem in DWRP. I won't deny that.

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I feel like certain groups stick to WG and RPA, but those of us who have matured with RP and moved on have started to dismiss them as the nonsense they are.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
but i also feel just as important as encouraging people to talk to each other when they have a problem is....getting people to know when to let things go?

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oh there's definitely that, too

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
RP is a group activity. There's going to be stuff you don't like that happens. That's a fact.

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
like, dragging me through the mud on WG for something minor that happened over 10 years ago is just effin' insane

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Yeah, like. I know people in this hobby who tried forming a clique and freezing out a perfectly good player because, and this is also true, they felt they were pushing into her plucky action girl schtick

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and unfortunately I feel like people, mods specifically, when designing their apps and their games take their pet peeves and try to codify them into game rules

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
Yeah. I can see that, too.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
and she also wanted to ship with the boyfriend of the character they were trying to freeze out because shojo protagonist needs a reverse harem kya kya.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah

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Like, I've played against a player who told me she couldn't finish a thread because an IC action of my character's conflicted with what she was aiming to do with it. And I was like... you could have told me --

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you had a goal?

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And then she wanted me to force a reaction that was OOC for my character in order to get her goal. And I was like... uhhh... then write a fanfic.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
and its just like... wow, you have been a jerk to this person for years over multiple games because you basically want your character to be shippable with their character's boyfriend

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
let it gooooo
let it gooooo
that's petty as fuck you knoooow

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yupe.

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
and unfortunately it gets worse when people who are that petty get into mod positions.

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
precisely

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
thus causing the original problem of this plurk, is the way too strict appr ules

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
playing an oc is hard anyways.

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
we came full circle!

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
You have to basically be willing to tag everyone, always, and be REALLY ANNOYINGLY ON IT because nobody gives a fuck about your canon

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Even if it's interesting, which realtalk none of them are--says the exclusive oc player.

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And heaven help you play a terrible human being who is in fact a terrible human being, because if your OC has terrible beliefs, clearly you must have them too.

SniperBot says Yesterday
In a fandom RP context playing an OC's always going to be rough because other players have no pre-made connection to your character.

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^- this

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
yeah

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canonmates will never happen unless you have a PSL of all OCs to work from

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
especially when the truth fo the matter is, RPers only have so much time to tag

Yuff ❆ Yesterday
so of course they are going to prioritize tagging characters they recognize or strikes a personal interest

Merry Deli-mas Yesterday
When you have canon OCs, you at least have a shared world event to work with

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
I've basically felt like most people's mid-tier priority for my entire rp career.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Like, the person who it's totally cool to tag when you have time, but if a thread is gonna' get dropped it'll probably be mine.

FOR THE CALD Yesterday
Which is fine and all, because people should tag things that make them enjoy themselves, but it sort of sucks to have to internalize and accept that you're generally going to get left behind.

Presentbringer Yesterday
Okay now that I've gotten my app griping out of my system and had time to cool down, I think I'm prepared to try my hand at revisions

Presentbringer Yesterday
And yes, I am mentally prepared to fight and claw for every scrap of CR I can

ThtWhchHsNVwls Yesterday
I hearya. Its why I haven't RPed in ages--I'm apping for a game, mods, not a job. I shouldn't have to scrape my brain against a million

ThtWhchHsNVwls Yesterday
piddly forms of I'm not going to be paid for it.