[0:17][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I gotta work on this character a lot since I've got a lot behind here :/
[0:18][3]<Mari Sakamoto> #altProblems
[0:18][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> Yea that's why idk if I'll ever alt
[0:18][3]<Felix Soto> I wont for sure
[0:19][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I was considering to just completely have Anelia be Mari
[0:19][3]<Mari Sakamoto> but I realized that it's not possible
[0:20][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I also have like 8 characters in Balmung. But I am only focusing on few
[0:20][3]<Mari Sakamoto> unless there will be jump potion
[0:20][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> I keep going back and forth wether I want a jump potion
[0:20][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Jump Potion is good if you dont want to do story modes again if you make alts
[0:21][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> I feel like that's the only acceptable time for one
[0:22][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> Idk.... Cause then it's like why not just pick up the other class?
[0:22][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Jump potion is also good if you want to lvl a class but dont want to do it from start
[0:23][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> I'm pretty wishy washy about it
[0:24][3]<Mari Sakamoto> nothing really to be wishy washy about it because it's either you use it by paying it or doing it manually or dont bother.
[0:24][3]<Felix Soto> Same
[0:24][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> I'm just not sure it should be in the game.
[0:25][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I think it should be in the game
[0:25][3]<Mari Sakamoto> considering that there are always people who dont want to deal with story mode and want to do end games with friends.
[0:25][3]<Lhasya Briyua> HOLY JESUS
[0:25][3]<Mari Sakamoto> For people like myself who has alts , dont want to do all of the story mode all characters.
[0:26][3]<Lhasya Briyua> my new laptop runs this at 75fps on maximum
[0:26][3]<Lhasya Briyua> it's like a new game
[0:26][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Also by having someone to have jump potion never hurts other players. It's a choice. Not mandatory.
[0:27][3]<Felix Soto> True but new players can use it to and that takes away from the experience
[0:27][3]<Mari Sakamoto> What experience?
[0:28][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Not everyone watches cutscenes or want to do story mode.
[0:28][3]<Felix Soto> Learning the lore
[0:28][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> not everyone cares about the lore to be honest
[0:28][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Three of my friends skipped all cutscenes and just skipped everything just to do end games.
[0:28][3]<Mari Sakamoto> What Morbon says.
[0:29][3]<Mari Sakamoto> While this is MMORPG, this isn't Lore RPG
[0:29][3]<Elspath Isilme> lore is the best part about this game
[0:29][3]<Mari Sakamoto> right, that's to our opinions.
[0:29][3]<Mari Sakamoto> But if you go to Facebook Group page, there are people who disagree
[0:29][3]<Elspath Isilme> because there not playing there posting on facebook
[0:30][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> I'm not so sure. I think your argument was better for the purposes of alts
[0:30][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I personally thought 2.1 - 2.55 story was absolute garbage
[0:30][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> like, i like the lore and how it all comes together, but at the same time, i wanna play the game, and i myself have skipped cutscenes cause i wanted to just get it done
[0:31][3]<Mari Sakamoto> "Oh we Domans need to find our kids. Can you please go find them behind all over this Vesper Bay?"
[0:31][3]<Felix Soto> For alts its good for new players no i think
[0:31][3]<Mari Sakamoto> "Now that you found them, let's jump into a cutscene where the kids think they want your autographs"
[0:33][3]<Mari Sakamoto> 2.3: Long ass quests in Violet Shroud, then Long ass quests about Alphinaud's story about himself. Rewards: none.
[0:33][3]<Mari Sakamoto> like there are some part of the story that people should consider skipping
[0:33][3]<Mari Sakamoto> it's not even related to lore
[0:33][3]<Elspath Isilme> how about this,  its a Final Fantasy game.  you knew what you were getting in to when you bought it :P
[0:33][3]<Felix Soto> True lol
[0:33][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> and honestly its a game...
[0:34][3]<Mari Sakamoto> That's like saying "It's a Elder Scrolls Online game. You knew what you were getting into when you bought it" and people skip cutscene
[0:34][3]<Mari Sakamoto> and why do we need to criticize those people who skip story?
[0:34][3]<Elspath Isilme> elder scrolls games dont have cut scens :P
[0:34][3]<Mari Sakamoto> It's literally Roleplayers against regular players who dont want to see cutscene
[0:35][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Again Els, you are viewing in roleplayer perspective.
[0:35][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> why is this even a argument to be honest
[0:35][3]<Elspath Isilme> well im honestly drunning a dungeon as a tank and not really listening ^_^
[0:35][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> some like cutscenes other dont give a flying blue bird about it
[0:35][3]<Mari Sakamoto> In Korea/China server, they give 0 damn about story so they use jump potion
[0:35][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Morbon, it's more of
[0:36][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> there is peeps for content, and peeps who wanna rp and emjoy story, and then there is the mixture of peeps who love story and lore and love content also
[0:36][3]<Mari Sakamoto> "I've done lot of work and learned lot of lore to enjoy this game. I dont like it that others cannot put effort or appreciate the content of this game by adding jump potion."
[0:36][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i honestly dont care if they add the jump potion, its not gonna be cheap for one, also its only able to work on 1 class/job and only pushes ya to the end of heavensword...thats all
[0:37][3]<Mari Sakamoto> But the way I see is, I've been playing since 1.0, and I 100% support jump potion because it's not breaking any game.
[0:37][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> they should make it 1 per charecter, end of story and it would work fine
[0:37][3]<Elspath Isilme> hoenstly i dont ee the point of alts
[0:37][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> I'm just not sure I like the spirit of it. Especialy for new players
[0:37][3]<Elspath Isilme> thats why i love this game,  i hate alts
[0:38][3]<Mari Sakamoto> That's your opinion
[0:38][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> ive been on since 1.0 also, and i dont mind the idea.. but i do think its gonna harm some new players etc who have no clue how to play a bit
[0:38][3]<Elspath Isilme> no thats wow killing off every class i played with a patch and making me loose all my items and ounts
[0:38][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> also, i semi agree with the alt thing. i dont have any..nor do i care to when i can do everything on one charecter
[0:38][3]<Mari Sakamoto> People are already terrible players anyways even without skipping stories.
[0:38][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> thats a fair point also LOL
[0:39][3]<Elspath Isilme> witch one
[0:39][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Jump potion is not gonna kill new player community. 4.0 will have new revamp system so old and new players will be unfamiliar.
[0:39][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> but, lore etc, is super nice in a game if your very into it etc. but there is alot of the community who is here to just play the game, dosent really care and just wants to play and enjoy the game for what it is
[0:40][3]<Mari Sakamoto> One of my friend who plays casually sees it like this: "There is no reason to put story in an MMORPG. You are here to do runs, do PVP, and fight giant boss and save the world. That's it."
[0:40][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> from what i have seen, its more the RP community or major game buff's who enjoy the lore more then anyone else etc..and idm it at all. i enjoy the lore also, but im also a content runner i like it both
[0:40][3]<Elspath Isilme> this is the only mmo with a decent story
[0:41][3]<Elspath Isilme> its why i lvoe it
[0:41][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> yeaaa, but there has to be a drivin story to make the game and its purpose in the first place
[0:41][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Again. That's your opinion.
[0:41][3]<Elspath Isilme> well this is the way it is,  tell him to go play wow
[0:41][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> But Final Fantasy as a series, and XIV as a game on its own, are intrinsically tied to the story. If you want pure game mechanics with no story involved then this just might not be the right game...
[0:41][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> sooo, its easier to drop you into a game, no clue whats going on hand you a sword, point you northeast and say "have fun!" and that ='s a online mmorpg?
[0:41][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Some people feel that story in MMORPG is pointless. And besides, if they are ever interested. ... Then they can always go back to the unending journey book and see cutscenes
[0:42][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> thats what i do sometimes, i go watch cutscenes i didnt bother to watch, but either way.
[0:42][3]<Felix Soto> I just think new player shouldnt get jump potions cause the cant learn how to play their class
[0:42][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Felix
[0:42][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> its like reading a book, there has to be a start to a story for a story to exist
[0:42][3]<Elspath Isilme> this discuession is getting close to the "dumbing down games"  situation and the point that ffxiv should be dumbed down
[0:42][3]<Mari Sakamoto> People are already shitty players even if they dont use jump potion.
[0:42][3]<Elspath Isilme> thats just going to piss me off so im out
[0:43][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> That's fine if they think the story is pointless I don't really care. But story is kinda THE point of FF games. If they don't want story then there are better MMOs
[0:43][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Rae
[0:43][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> lol felix, ur prob gonna buy a jump poition right off, just so you can go into stormblood with everyone! but i aint knocking ya for it. idc to be honest...since some new players can ask questions etc to figure stuff out
[0:43][3]<Mari Sakamoto> some people dont know what Final Fantasy is. They picked it up because 1. It's popular game  2. Friends play it
[0:44][3]<Felix Soto> So do you think im a shitty player i remind im the newest player in the fc
[0:44][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> most the friends i have got to play this love the shit out of the story of this game, and also love the end game side of the content
[0:44][3]<Felix Soto> Im not going to get it
[0:44][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Felix I havent played with you so I can't judge you.
[0:44][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> felix, i dint say you were a shitty player, now did i?
[0:45][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I dont know why people are feeling upset by this that some players are skipping stories as if the players are bashing this game. lol.
[0:45][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> But it's popular because it doesn't do things like other MMOs. It is very much it's own thing. And if people don't like what it is then that's perfectly ok. But I don't want the game to be purely focused on endgame stuff like other MMOs. It's just not in good spirit
[0:45][3]<Mari Sakamoto> If they dont like this game, they would never play it.
[0:45][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> thats tossing words in my mouth i didnt say. i said that i can see ya grabbin the potion so your caught up with everyone and can participate in leveling to 70 and enjoying the content and the fun with some of us who will be doing that right off, in no way did i say ya was a shitty player homie
[0:45][3]<Felix Soto> You kinda did when you got mad at me when i kept on using heavy thurst morbon
[0:45][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> no, you DIDNT use heavy thrust
[0:46][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i was gonna explain drg and its rotations to ya
[0:46][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Rae, the game is really balanced for this game.
[0:46][3]<Felix Soto> But you still got mad
[0:46][3]<Mari Sakamoto> But the thing is, there will always be end game content to keep players hanging
[0:46][3]<Mari Sakamoto> YoshiP is intending to make EsPorts for PVP
[0:46][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> lol dont know me well enough to know when i am mad, but its fine. and no i wasnt mad lol. you, are a diffrent type of person to motivate
[0:47][3]<Mari Sakamoto> so there will be lot of people skipping contents
[0:47][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> The pvp really isnt good enough for that
[0:47][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Felix no one was really insulting you, but we are just making a point that there are people who played from 1 to 60 and are "veterans" and still are poor at gaming.
[0:47][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> Also pvp has it's own progression separate from pve anyways if people just wanna pvp they already can
[0:48][3]<Mari Sakamoto> you are still new player at start
[0:48][3]<Mari Sakamoto> @Rae, yes. But you need to be lvl 60 to see full potential of Feast PVP
[0:48][3]<Mari Sakamoto> but you need to do all content from 2.0-3.0 to see that.
[0:49][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i honestly, and about 60% of the pop of this game dont care about the pvp aspect, its a extra that is there...but isnt used as much
[0:49][3]<Mari Sakamoto> so that's why there is jump potion. In fact if my friend joins and starts playing for Stormblood, he will start at lvl 1. But he wants to do runs with us. It will take a loong time to catch up
[0:49][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> there doing there best to kinda make it popular, but the game really wasnt built around pvp at all
[0:49][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Most average during launch of 3.0 - lvl 50-60 took full one week or two weeks at least.
[0:50][3]<Mari Sakamoto> 1-50 takes about two weeks to three.
[0:50][3]<Mari Sakamoto> 60-70 is possibly - 2 weeks.
[0:50][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> oh snap Moggle Mog XII's Whisker
[0:50][3]<Elspath Isilme> Want a opinion?  End this subject before it turns in to a fight and people get there butts hurt :P
[0:50][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> *shrug* at this point i aint gonna fight someone elses' opinion over a silly game i pay to play
[0:51][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i enjoy the game for both its lore, and content. *shrug*
[0:51][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> and its story, cause the story gives the feeeeeels
[0:51][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I do the same. I shared my friends view about this game, and I dont judge their views.
[0:51][3]<Mari Sakamoto> because they are paying their subs and game to play with friends.
[0:51][3]<Mari Sakamoto> They are not obligated to learn the lore if they dont want to.
[0:52][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> cant force others to have diffrent views. can just show them and talk. other then that,  a normal person lets them be and lets them enjoy it how they want to.
[0:52][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> cept felix...
[0:52][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> cause felix needs o lv.
[0:53][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I did talk to them about how good the lore is, but they were like "if I want to see the story, I'll just read a book or watch a movie" and that's the opinion and I pretty much gave up. One person did ask about the lore and she started going back to Unending Journey book
[0:53][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> felix! if you get to 50, i will make the augments for ur lv45-50 armor to be able to be dyed for you super free of charge so you can be whatever color you want...
[0:54][3]<Mari Sakamoto> lol I think lot of people got worked up over this discussion.
[0:55][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> yea felix logged out and is on second life i guess
[0:55][3]<Mari Sakamoto> #OnlineGameProblems
[0:55][3]<Elspath Isilme> dont worry in 20 years all games will be based off candycrush saga
[0:55][3]<Mari Sakamoto> I am sure people will still play it
0:56][3]<Elspath Isilme> brought to you by EA !
[0:56][3]<Felix Soto> Ill lvl up at my own pace and ill dye my own armor
[0:57][3]<Mari Sakamoto> uhh Felix. You can lvl at your own pace, but I think you should take Morbon's advice in getting that dye
[0:57][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> welp. alright man you do you, wont hear from me no more duderz
[0:58][3]<Mari Sakamoto> -\(  ' ' __/   )/-
[0:58][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> gonna turn this ls off for a while
[0:58][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> really think coming to this server was prob a bad idea in all and such at this point
[0:59][3]<Cirina Malqir> Did I miss something?
[0:59][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Morbon
[0:59][3]<Mari Sakamoto> you didnt do anything wrong.
[0:59][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Felix is just being Felix
[0:59][3]<Cirina Malqir> ...Pretend I don't know what that means?
[0:59][3]<Mari Sakamoto> yea
[1:00][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> Morbon probly can't read you Mari. He said he was turning off the ls
[1:01][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> im still here, i havent turned it off yet
[1:01][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> Oh
[1:01][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> was gonna go smoke first
[1:01][3]<Mari Sakamoto> yeah dont leave
[1:01][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i know i can be overbearing etc
[1:01][3]<Mari Sakamoto> you are actually very natural and mature about it
[1:01][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i want people to enjoy the game lol and content etc *shrug*
[1:02][3]<Mari Sakamoto> yeah that's fine
[1:02][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> so yea, sorry if i am pushing ya felix, my fault so no worries ya wont hear me messing with ya ever again about it
[1:02][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> do you boo boo
[1:02][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> ^_^
[1:05][3]<Cirina Malqir> I don't even understand what this all is about. I came too late to see anything but the aftermath D=
[1:06][3]<Mari Sakamoto> It got a bit extremely escalated due to misunderstanding
[1:07][3]<Y'raelva Mytna> There was a jump potion debate, Felix got offended due to misunderstanding and Morbon got all negative and it's just a mess
[1:08][3]<Cirina Malqir> Oh. My guess was gonna be someone gave some advice like "Using Blood Weapon and Dark Dance together is a really good idea" or something like that the elitism word got thrown around. Idunno.
[1:08][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> lol aint negative, im just tired of trying to help and motivate people who dont give a shit
[1:08][3]<Mari Sakamoto> nah. Nothing like that. It was more of how jump potion could cause diversity.
[1:08][3]<Cirina Malqir> Like. 9/10 times arguments cause issues cause advice gets mistaken for criticism.
[1:09][3]<Mari Sakamoto> yes
[1:09][3]<Mari Sakamoto> that is true.
[1:09][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> that happens alot
[1:09][3]<Mari Sakamoto> Morbon can I take you on the offer of - well then again I am lvl 56 ALC
[1:09][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> anywaise, idc. just done. lol, i dont mind making those augments etc there cheap to make
[1:10][3]<Mari Sakamoto> man they used to be expensive af when they first came out
[1:10][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> i just figured a nice motivation would prove useful
[1:10][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> they still can me
[1:10][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> if they are acctually put on the board
[1:10][3]<Morbon Alfonz'ien> most times there isnt any