(9:26:07 PM) johnbralich3: and id rather get an engineering degree than a business one
(9:26:22 PM) menoselalek: why
(9:26:40 PM) johnbralich3: because
(9:26:55 PM) johnbralich3: i dont think that I want to throw out what I've been working towards
(9:26:58 PM) johnbralich3: for 4 years
(9:27:10 PM) johnbralich3: its would be stupid
(9:27:20 PM) johnbralich3: id never use physics or diff eq at wharton
(9:27:25 PM) johnbralich3: unless i do quant shit
(9:27:37 PM) menoselalek: ... working toward?
(9:27:41 PM) menoselalek: what
(9:27:41 PM) johnbralich3: engineering
(9:27:47 PM) menoselalek: you haven't been working toward engineering
(9:27:55 PM) johnbralich3: i like to think i have
(9:28:11 PM) johnbralich3: my math track doesnt put me towards business...
(9:28:22 PM) menoselalek: that doesn't make any sense
(9:28:24 PM) johnbralich3: wharton requires retard calc i think
(9:28:25 PM) menoselalek: do what you want to do
(9:28:39 PM) johnbralich3: i saw the recommended courses
(9:28:45 PM) johnbralich3: well
(9:29:00 PM) johnbralich3: im surely not on track for a degree in american history
(9:29:08 PM) johnbralich3: or antropology
(9:29:12 PM) menoselalek: wow you're dumb
(9:29:17 PM) menoselalek: then who is "on track" for those things
(9:29:26 PM) johnbralich3: idk
(9:29:31 PM) menoselalek: what you've been "on track" for the past four years is a high school diploma
(9:29:36 PM) menoselalek: not a specific college degree
(9:29:40 PM) johnbralich3: thats true
(9:29:49 PM) johnbralich3: but i've been focusing on math and science courses
(9:30:01 PM) johnbralich3: that would set me up for an engineering degree
(9:30:16 PM) johnbralich3: a little past a hs diploma
(9:30:25 PM) johnbralich3: hold up
(9:30:35 PM) johnbralich3: do u think people taking mse are on track to be lit majors?
(9:30:49 PM) menoselalek: are they any less on track to be lit majors than anyone else?
(9:30:59 PM) menoselalek: they still take 4 years of english
(9:31:04 PM) johnbralich3: why the fuck would a lit major want to kno diff eq and matrix theory
(9:31:13 PM) menoselalek: why not?
(9:31:15 PM) menoselalek: maybe they like math too
(9:31:21 PM) johnbralich3: it would be a waste of time
(9:31:38 PM) menoselalek: i wrote about how i don't like people like you in my why chicago essay
(9:31:50 PM) johnbralich3: good
(9:32:15 PM) johnbralich3: i wrote about children and senior citizens in my commonapp essay
(9:32:36 PM) menoselalek: i like literature and math
(9:32:39 PM) menoselalek: and physics
(9:32:41 PM) menoselalek: and computer science
(9:32:45 PM) menoselalek: what am i supposed to do?
(9:32:45 PM) johnbralich3: but seriously is it bad to do things with an end in mind?
(9:32:54 PM) johnbralich3: i mean
(9:33:19 PM) johnbralich3: whatever the real world accommodations are for people like you...
(9:33:22 PM) menoselalek: what "end" did you have in mind
(9:33:27 PM) johnbralich3: a job
(9:33:36 PM) menoselalek: then what
(9:33:41 PM) menoselalek: your ultimate goal in life is to get a job
(9:33:42 PM) johnbralich3: only rich fucks can go to school for "knowledge"
(9:33:48 PM) johnbralich3: purely knowledge
(9:33:55 PM) johnbralich3: and not have a job in mind
(9:34:17 PM) menoselalek: going to school for knowledge and getting a job afterward are not mutually exclusive
(9:34:26 PM) johnbralich3: i guess
(9:34:30 PM) menoselalek: you seem to think only degrees that teach you a trade will get oyu a job
(9:34:45 PM) johnbralich3: but u will have wasted money taking courses irrevelvent and inapplicable to our job
(9:34:56 PM) johnbralich3: your
(9:35:00 PM) menoselalek: so do you think we should always maximize utility?
(9:35:07 PM) johnbralich3: of course
(9:35:25 PM) menoselalek: then why would any institution of higher education bother educating you?
(9:35:53 PM) johnbralich3: bc they want people to represent them in the real world...people who specialize in business, science, engineering...
(9:36:05 PM) johnbralich3: and are good at their respective fields
(9:36:07 PM) menoselalek: is art not a part of the real world?
(9:36:11 PM) johnbralich3: not renaissance men
(9:36:18 PM) johnbralich3: art is
(9:36:23 PM) johnbralich3: fair enough
(9:37:07 PM) johnbralich3: but they aren't looking to make all medical astronauts who play like mozart in space
(9:37:11 PM) johnbralich3: its unrealistic
(9:37:35 PM) menoselalek: but what if you like space, music, and medicine
(9:37:43 PM) johnbralich3: then thats good for you
(9:37:44 PM) menoselalek: is there something wrong with learning about all three?
(9:38:01 PM) menoselalek: you know you're not going to use anything you learn in your engineering degree anyway
(9:38:05 PM) johnbralich3: but it is not likeely that you ill actively pursue and sucessfully pursue all those tracks
(9:38:31 PM) johnbralich3: wait
(9:38:41 PM) johnbralich3: i dont agree
(9:38:42 PM) johnbralich3: at all
(9:38:53 PM) menoselalek: say you get a job designing hinges for car doors or something
(9:38:57 PM) menoselalek: then what was the point of taking thermodynamics
(9:39:00 PM) menoselalek: and chemistry
(9:39:11 PM) johnbralich3: that is true
(9:39:12 PM) menoselalek: and fluid mechanics
(9:39:20 PM) menoselalek: and partial differential equations
(9:39:27 PM) johnbralich3: but you would have had the potential to work those kids of jobs
(9:39:36 PM) johnbralich3: and engineers get different types of projects
(9:39:43 PM) menoselalek: but your argument is that all of your training should fit one specific job
(9:39:57 PM) johnbralich3: at least of the same general nature
(9:40:06 PM) johnbralich3: not literature and cs
(9:40:07 PM) menoselalek: an astronaut doctor who can play mozart can be an astronaut, doctor, or a musician
(9:40:10 PM) johnbralich3: those dont overlap
(9:40:19 PM) johnbralich3: i dont agree
(9:40:26 PM) johnbralich3: i dont believe there are people with that capacity
(9:40:33 PM) johnbralich3: i mean
(9:40:35 PM) johnbralich3: maybe a few
(9:40:35 PM) menoselalek: what?
(9:40:38 PM) johnbralich3: but why cater
(9:41:00 PM) johnbralich3: it is unlikely to excel in that many areas
(9:41:07 PM) menoselalek: maybe for you
(9:41:14 PM) johnbralich3: why should you insist on learning all of them and wasting your money
(9:41:20 PM) menoselalek: how is it a waste of money?
(9:41:30 PM) menoselalek: employers don't give a fuck what you learned in college
(9:41:30 PM) johnbralich3: alek
(9:41:50 PM) johnbralich3: most people forget what they learned in college
(9:41:53 PM) johnbralich3: if they dont apply it
(9:42:08 PM) menoselalek: so then what's the point of even going to  college
(9:42:13 PM) menoselalek: you can just get training on the job
(9:42:21 PM) johnbralich3: if u are planning on being a doctor
(9:42:25 PM) johnbralich3: and you take pre med
(9:42:34 PM) johnbralich3: then thats perfectly acceptable
(9:42:42 PM) menoselalek: when am i going to need to know organic chemistry as a doctor
(9:42:43 PM) johnbralich3: idk
(9:42:45 PM) johnbralich3: u win
(9:42:47 PM) johnbralich3: crap
(9:42:48 PM) menoselalek: good
(9:42:52 PM) johnbralich3: my head hurts
(9:42:53 PM) johnbralich3: i tried