<MagnumOpus> also what's with all these unfunny posts on emeraldps2?
<waterivesi> reddit? unfunny?
<waterivesi> why i never!
<MagnumOpus> yeah some dude made a post
<MagnumOpus> and some truly hilarious postcrafters made parody after parody
<MagnumOpus> oh wait
<AggressivelyStupid> gbs?
<MagnumOpus> just noticed the masters of comedy are our GOKU pubbies
<MagnumOpus> :facepalm:
<AggressivelyStupid> lol
<waterivesi> i was just reading a post by shoctor
<waterivesi> and cringing really really hard
<waterivesi> why are pubbies allowed into goku anyways
<MagnumOpus> i honestly have no idea
<MagnumOpus> KV is around less these days
<MagnumOpus> some shit be slipping
<waterivesi> when i played with goku
<MagnumOpus> GOKU has become the Emerald PS2 subreddit hospice center
<waterivesi> it was the pubbies with 1000s of hours in ps2 who were on 24/7 playing ps2 that i found intolerable
<MagnumOpus> i hold out hope that one day KV will reveal it was all a long con troll and kick them
<waterivesi> also why i havent been playing with goku in the past couple of days
<dromaexs> I too am angered by people who haven't given lowtax money
<waterivesi> goon or non-goon, they are insufferable
<waterivesi> theyd still be insufferable if they did reg
<waterivesi> they are people who joined goku after their tryhard factions imploded from drama
<Zsinjeh> goon?
<waterivesi> how did that not set off any red flags for the people letting them in
<MagnumOpus> because the people approving them are equally obsessed with being PS2 celebrities
<MagnumOpus> and having more of their ilk i guess improves our e-cred?
<waterivesi> ugh
<waterivesi> ughhh
<MagnumOpus> yeah exactly
<MagnumOpus> try logging in outside of primetime
<MagnumOpus> it's 2 hicks talking about their old TR outfit and making bad vaguely-bigoted jokes to a captive audience of GOKU too polite or awkward to say anything
<waterivesi> most of my time playing with goku has been outside of prime time, what with being european and all
<Terminal> require an SA account or a sponsor for mic privileges
<waterivesi> and boy howdy
<MagnumOpus> post you opinion on the forums
<MagnumOpus> the only way it will change is if enough people put their foot down
<MagnumOpus> because right now when it gets brought up it just gets shut down by people who would rather stick their head in the sand
<MagnumOpus> but i do think deep down these people might care
<MagnumOpus> if they actually heard some other people saying that it's out of hand
<waterivesi> but if the leadership thinks goku is actually good right now isnt it time for a change in leadership
<waterivesi> in a new outfit if thats what it takes
<Lastair> lol nope
<AggressivelyStupid> the return of luigi30
<AggressivelyStupid> true outfit leader of GOKU
<Helreginn> The Yellow Fever King
<waterivesi> when did goku start accepting the tr outfit rejects anyways
<waterivesi> is it a recent thing
<waterivesi> servers are back up btw
<MustardePC> fwiw i think scooping up a few select pubbies was great for the outfit
<MustardePC> of course, consider the source of this statement
<AggressivelyStupid> yeah
<dromaexs> you went to NNG, you don't get to talk
<AggressivelyStupid> you betrayed us!!!!
<MustardePC> i understand the frustration though, there are a few who won't shut the hell up and it drives me mad
<Lastair> yeah, the issue though is that some of them are the kind who are chatty and play all the time so when our implicit leadership isn't around, they're the ones kind of dominating the channel
<dromaexs> PS fun fact, synthet1c's vs character was old school NNG
<MagnumOpus> mustarde i like you but the reality is you being cool is a fluke
<AggressivelyStupid> ^
<MagnumOpus> there is a reason why goons don't like having pubbies in outfit
<MagnumOpus> and you're seeing it right now
<AggressivelyStupid> goons are bad enough
<MagnumOpus> p much
<MagnumOpus> but we're bad in a specific way
<MagnumOpus> that is known and understood by some people
<MagnumOpus> and this allows those people to sometimes forge something out of the craziness
<MagnumOpus> its basically a mongol situation
<Lastair> also i keep hearing cyanide screaming and cursing at medics in prox
<MagnumOpus> or orcs if you are a huge nerd
<MagnumOpus> we suck and fuck things up for each other more than anything else
<MustardePC> cyanide is basically the only one i'm referring to that drives me nuts and i thikn he needs the balto treatment
<MagnumOpus> but sometimes someone manages to form something that last
<MagnumOpus> <Lastair>        yeah, the issue though is that some of them are the kind who are chatty and play all the time so when our implicit leadership isn't around, they're the ones kind of dominating the channel
<Lastair> shoctor and lastmisfit can talk a lot but they're mostly bearable
<Unclean009> Mustarde: he seemed slightly better last night, appeared to be holding back. We still need to have a talk with him
<MagnumOpus> Lastair hit it right on the head
<p4km4n> i don't even know who that is
<p4km4n> cyanide
<p4km4n> i might have him muted
<Unclean009> He guy is like 17
<p4km4n> idk
<Unclean009> And talks a lot
<MagnumOpus> i seem to get on about an hour before most of the other primetime regulars
<MagnumOpus> mumble at that hour is a MESS
<MustardePC> if you guys really want to clean things up, just stop taking essays and dance videos for a while.  let all the new blood settle in, kick the ones who don't fit in, and then things will be better
<Lastair> i'm a euro who's trying to adjust his sleep schedule to his own continent again so it can be kind of horrible
<APARTHEID> poop on someone's head
<Lastair> our pubbie recruitment method can also select for the weird extrovert
<APARTHEID> poop it
<APARTHEID> !powerlevel
<Scouter> Beep beep beep: 3740
<Lastair> that specific kind of nerd extrovert who isn't outgoing as much as hasn't got a functioning filter
<MagnumOpus> i don't fire up the game to play Planetside
<MagnumOpus> I play GOKU
<MagnumOpus> the same way i didn't play eve
<MagnumOpus> i played GOONFLEET
<MagnumOpus> these pubbies don't get that
<waterivesi> shoctor and lastmisfit are the worst i thought
<APARTHEID> sometimes I am Goku
<waterivesi> but i dont know who synthet1c even is
<APARTHEID> Shoctor? the guy who got someone to eat the mayo
<AggressivelyStupid> synthetic was a gem
<APARTHEID> about the best pubby so far
<MagnumOpus> jesus christ synthetic
<AggressivelyStupid> a meth addicted gem
<waterivesi> theyre both like
<waterivesi> really smug about having spent 5000+ hours on ps2
<waterivesi> and they talk nonstop
<MustardePC> it's a delicate balance - no pubbies and this outfit becomes 1-2 squad of people who struggle to swing battles.  too many pubbies and we lose our identity.  Just the right amount of pubbies and we get to have our cake and eat it
<p4km4n> idk who that is either
<Lastair> i'd be all for stopping recruitment for a while
<MagnumOpus> pubbies are not half our team
<APARTHEID> thread posts only
<Lastair> letting shit settle
<Lastair> yeah
<MagnumOpus> there are like 5 pubbies
<waterivesi> goon lets pubbies into the platoon but not the mumble
<waterivesi> what's wrong with that
<MagnumOpus> because these pubbies are special
<Zsinjeh> this was/is synthetic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9olAh-gnZA
<Scouter> Boop: Synthet1c is probably going to have a sore throat
<MagnumOpus> they are PS2 subreddit celebs
<MagnumOpus> and some people in GOKU treat them like royalty
<Zsinjeh> that was him being calm
<waterivesi> not only are they pubbies, theyre redditors
<waterivesi> the natural rival of all goons
<MustardePC> shoctor is a great addition to the group imo.  He has as sense of humor but knows when to lock it down.  Misfit has been leading during off hours and also has a good sense of when to be quiet.
<waterivesi> and they do. not. shut. the. fuck. up. about shit on reddit
<MustardePC> there are more pubbies than you think magnum.
<MagnumOpus> that doesn't help your case
<MagnumOpus> that just means its worse
<APARTHEID> someone ate a whole can of mayo because of Shoctor
<APARTHEID> and recorded it
<APARTHEID> this is all I've got
<waterivesi> thats great and all
<waterivesi> that he Did A Funny Thing Once
<MustardePC> i mean really - if you cut out all the pubbies, we'd be down to 2 squads most nights at best.  and prior to the PS4 patch, if it weren't for them we'd have less than a squad
<waterivesi> isnt there something intimate & special about small squads
<waterivesi> arent they just more... romantic
<MustardePC> and i've seen what happens when there aren't a lot of goku online - people just scatter, farm and then log out to play killing floor or some other bad game
<p4km4n> hey thats me
<waterivesi> youre just pleading before the quillotine mustarde
<MagnumOpus> mustarde is fine
<MagnumOpus> he joined us for the right reasons
<MagnumOpus> at a time when it cost him something
<MagnumOpus> rather than because he was fleeing a dead ship
<MagnumOpus> for the rest, we're just a port of call until something better comes along
<MagnumOpus> if these other pubbies had their old group to perform in front of, they'd be there
<Helreginn> I dunno, most of them seem to have integrated well
<dromaexs> I think we should arrange for poonanners and keyframe to be in the same mumble together
<waterivesi> talking about reddit drama all the fucking time in the goon outfit seems like the literal opposite of fitting in to me
<Helreginn> Also keyframe is tied to a chair with headphones on
<Helreginn> Goons talk about reddit drama all the time in the goon outfit though
<Helreginn> Beats talking about the last portion of goon drama I guess
<BeefDroidcheese> I think when goons talk about Reddit drama its 99% laughing at
<BeefDroidcheese> Watching the poop, not touching it.
<Helreginn> Wellll
<Helreginn> I dunno about that either
<AggressivelyStupid> we've had to yell at goons many times before to stop touching the poop
<BeefDroidcheese> If the pubbie recruits are posting, stirring up shit, and then talking about it, that's just terrible
<BeefDroidcheese> I dunno, I haven't been playing much lately.
<BeefDroidcheese> Burnt out on the game + lots of people playing... I tend to not like playing if there's a full platoon (or close to it) online.
<MustardePC> shoctor, misfit, cintesis, roy, me, madhatter, mersh, synxis, cyanide (ugh), digitalimport, jackofferman, foxual, batteryjuice, rebeccaQ, shep, badgerhax, mobeus, unknownXIV, santasdefenseattorney, ... these are somewhat recent pubbies off the top of my head.
<BeefDroidcheese>  Aggressively, at least there's that voice telling people to stop touching. At least, there was?
<AggressivelyStupid> was
<MagnumOpus> yeah, was
<MagnumOpus> i still keep my reddit posting to trolls almost exclusively
<MagnumOpus> but i think even that much makes me a guilty
<MagnumOpus> @Mustarde that's a big list
<MustardePC> so perhaps it would be more productive to address individuals who are causing issues than to just call them all pubbies and make generalized statements about them, because most of them have been what i consider a good addition to the group.
<MagnumOpus> so i guess its more that we just have a bunch who are acting like pubbies
<MagnumOpus> since some of them seem to have integrated
<MagnumOpus> i think it's the playing PS2 vs playing GOKU thing
<MustardePC> Well, they all follow orders pretty well, and are a big factor in our outfit impact each night, including when you lead tryhard ops
<MagnumOpus> like the ones that are a problem, there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that if they still had their old community they would go back to it immediately
<dromaexs> [YELL] [WINDbunny]: WTF invisible sundees now...too far...what next invisable tanks???
<MustardePC> i disagree magnum - goku is far beyond what they came from, and they are having a lot more fun here
<Lastair> buff the magrider give it cloak haha
<Scouter> Achievement Unlocked: Remove medkits! Buff net limiter!
<MustardePC> i dont even think cintesis would go back to AOD if he had the chance lol
<MagnumOpus> then they need to do a few things
<MagnumOpus> 1) stop bragging about not reading the forums or not even having a forums account (wtf!) like its a badge of honor
<MustardePC> anyways, I don't want to beat the dead horse, just providing a different viewpoint on this subject since it comes up fairly often, moreso now that we have a lot more new goons joining along with the pubbies we took
<MagnumOpus> actually i'd be willing to even just call it there
<MagnumOpus> because if they would read and post on the forums they'd start to integrate
<MagnumOpus> i don't need the solution to come about instantly
<MagnumOpus> but i'd like them to be on the path
<MustardePC> a handful do have forums accounts - i think just less than half of who i listed.
<BeefDroidcheese> An elegantly simple solution
<MagnumOpus> to give you some perspective, there's a reason why i'm so adamant about this stuff, and you being new may not have seen it
<MagnumOpus> though you may be familiar with it from other online communities
<MagnumOpus> cliques ruin clans/guilds/outfits
<MagnumOpus> you can't have 2 cultures
<MagnumOpus> this is inevitably what kills p much every goon group i've seen in over a decade playing games with goons
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<MagnumOpus> a small group of people develop their own little culture inside the community culture
<synGuest622> well hello turds
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<MagnumOpus> ...
<MustardePC> i dont necessarily see two seperate cliques forming.  it's more that pubbies are new, don't realize that reddit is a trigger for goons, and sometimes talk too much and make bad jokes that aren't the good bad jokes that goons make
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<Smitty> ok
<Smitty> im not synguest anymore
<waterivesi> i think its more that they just arent the kind of people goons tend to be
<MustardePC> hi smitty.  thanks for letting my fly in your gal last night also you have really nice camo for nc and looked fabulous
<MagnumOpus> <waterivesi>        i think its more that they just arent the kind of people goons tend to be
<Smitty> o man thanks hot stuff
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<MagnumOpus> yeah
<waterivesi> goons are a very specific subset of nerds
<MagnumOpus> there's a certain "fiddling while rome burns" mentality that brings people to goon groups
<BeefDroidcheese> ^
<MagnumOpus> like everything in the whole game could be on fire, but as long as it's us in the eye of the storm, we're having a great time
<MagnumOpus> i'll be honest
<MagnumOpus> i literally want people not in my goon group to suffer
<MagnumOpus> it makes me happy
<waterivesi> yess
<waterivesi> yesssss
<MagnumOpus> GOKUs get high fives
<MagnumOpus> everyone else gets curb stomps
<BeefDroidcheese> Agreed
<waterivesi> its about doing your darndest to subvert how the game is played and making non-goons have a miserable time
<BeefDroidcheese> Warpgate camps are a perfect example
<MagnumOpus> yeah
<MustardePC> Sure, I can see that.  I guess it's jsut a matter of how tolerable it is to have slightly different nerds in the same gaming group.  And as for the eye of the storm, I have not seen a single pubbie opt out of our TR warpgate camps - they are right there with us having the time of their lives drinking TR tears
<BeefDroidcheese> No strategic gain, just hassling another faction and stirring them up, but also laughing about it
<MagnumOpus> like you know why GOKU is actually so good?
<waterivesi> when shoctor or misfit are leading
<MagnumOpus> because we knew it would piss everyone off more than anything else we could do
<Guest9997> our leadership?
<waterivesi> theres no sense of fun about what they want to make us do
<waterivesi> its just like
<waterivesi> trying to find the best farms
<waterivesi> so they can talk about drama while running into a meat grinder over and over
<MustardePC> i dont think that's a fair assessment of their leadership but i haven't been on during daytime goku
<waterivesi> playing ps2 like any other mmo
<waterivesi> and that bored me to tears
<MagnumOpus> that's what being in GOON is like
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<MustardePC> i think misfit had a damn good alert last week during primetime, it was his first time leading the big group and we won esamir if I recall correctly.
<MagnumOpus> except an alcoholic slurs incoherently at you on fridays
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<waterivesi> yea but it was just teleporting around into whatever big fight was happening
<waterivesi> i could have done that if i had 60 people to follow me around
<waterivesi> it wasnt particularly brilliant leadership
<MagnumOpus> well, in fairness most peoples first few leadership attempts are like that
<Guest33265> im a horrible leader
<MustardePC> sorry I'm just defending these guys.  we can have diff opinions of their leadership style.  But if you are talking about rome burning type leaders, it's more Steve, Magnum and Honda who do that.  Unclean, 2fat and KV all tend to be more on the efficent side of things imo, more like shocter.
<AggressivelyStupid> im the fucking best
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<MustardePC> but none of those guys are left hanging - the Pl channel has something like 8 people in it most nights, whispering advice to new PL's all the time
<MagnumOpus> honestly im not too worried about leadership performance
<MagnumOpus> i think, mustarde, what's missing in part here is some historical perspective
<MagnumOpus> you for instance aren't familiar with the term Fartswarm
<Guest33265> goku has some of the best leads in the game i think
<Terminal> n.n.n.noooooo
<MagnumOpus> Fartswarm is what happens between alerts when there's no one keeping the team on some kind of mission, and it devolves into fart jokes and the like
<BeefDroidcheese> F-bomb dropped
<AggressivelyStupid> bwaaaaaaaaaah *fartnoise*
<AggressivelyStupid> bwaaaaaaaaaaaah *fartnoise*
<BeefDroidcheese> And nonstop Hank Hill impersonations
<MagnumOpus> Fartswarm is the bane of our PS2 existence, it has haunted us everywhere we go
<Guest33265> o god the hank hill impressions!
<AggressivelyStupid> and almost all of them impersonations
<AggressivelyStupid> bad*
<MagnumOpus> and the reason we hate it so much and seek to drive it out everywhere we see it, is because in every goon there is a part of them that wants to burn down GOKU too
<AggressivelyStupid> basically only rayjenkins could do it right, probably due to being from texas
<MagnumOpus> so when Fartswarm starts it becomes a positive feedback loop
<MagnumOpus> eventually culminating in NO WAYPOINTS NO MASTERS behavior
<MagnumOpus> if you have ever wondered why 2fat is the way he is
<MagnumOpus> and honda is as mentally fragile as he is
<MagnumOpus> and i'm only as okay as i am because i will just nope out for months at a time
<MagnumOpus> it's Fartswarm
<MagnumOpus> Fartswarm is the answer
<Terminal> the final solution
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<Terminal> 1,000 bwaaaaah's out of tune with one another for all eternity
<MagnumOpus> the fart death of the universe
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<Guest33265> honda has ptsd from fart swarm
<MagnumOpus> he legit does
<MagnumOpus> he was not always the way he is
<MagnumOpus> 2fat can't even bear to play for like more than 90 minutes
<MagnumOpus> i myself am probably on the downward swing of my ps2 cycle
<Guest33265> whats your ps2 cycle
<MagnumOpus> play ps2, get back into leading, start to get frustrated by the same issues i've been fighting since the game started, start playing less, eventually get triggered one final epic time, quit for 4 months
<MagnumOpus> i'm currently at "start playing less"
<Guest33265> sounds like how i play ps2 also lol
<Guest33265> just remove the get into leading part
<MagnumOpus> can't
<APARTHEID> I play a game where you fart on people as well
<APARTHEID> that is where the fart swarm goes
<MagnumOpus> the strategy/leading aspect of the game is what i really like
<MagnumOpus> for pure shootmans there are way better games
<MagnumOpus> that are actually balance around shooting mans
<Guest33265> agreed
<MagnumOpus> but really i can tell that i'm on the downward swing because i'm more agitated about this shit
<MagnumOpus> obviously its not all the pubbies that are problematic but i jump right to that conclusion
<Lastair> not all pubbies are bad but basically all the bads are pubbies
<BeefHardcheese> The few bads in GOKU either change to be not-bads or are removed one way or another
<MagnumOpus> yeah and i just want them on the path to integration
<MagnumOpus> i'm happy if i see something being done to move things in the right direction
<MagnumOpus> maybe i can do something to contribute to that, i'll have to think about it
<Guest33265> what do you consider a bad
<Guest33265> someone that has a low k/d
<Guest33265> or someone that doesnt follow orders
<Lastair> someone who doesn't quite fit in but also doesn't stop talking
<MagnumOpus> someone who doesn't get GOKU or goon hivemind
<BeefHardcheese> Rule Zero: "Lurk more"
<MagnumOpus> ^
<MagnumOpus> the KDR combat blogging thing is a great example
<MagnumOpus> there is really very little in this universe i care to hear about less than your KDR
<MagnumOpus> if you could somehow quantify your tears-per-hour however, i would watch like and subscribe
<Guest33265> i would sub for tears
<MagnumOpus> i don't care how you just shot that other color man
<Scouter> Hossin Alert Detected at 11:50:12
<MagnumOpus> i've heard that's a thing that happens often in this game
<MagnumOpus> are you getting hilarious rage-tells? please post those in /o
<Lastair> it's kind of a murky problem to solve, trying to tell people to shut up about offtopic stuff etc. when our core group does a lot of it
<MagnumOpus> yeah it's a super fine line
<MagnumOpus> mediated by misanthropes and trolls
<Lastair> or i mean the answer is basically "some people are liked by the ~silent majority~ and you probably aren't"
<Terminal> our core group has realized when silence is waiting to be filled vs. when it's quiet because we're waiting for something important
<MagnumOpus> honestly i care a lot less about the amount of mumble chatter than most
<MagnumOpus> i rarely ask for quiet when i lead
<MagnumOpus> what does concern me is the content of the chatter
<Lastair> mumble should have anonymous upvotes and downvotes ... like reddit ...!!
<Terminal> +/- volume per person
<Lastair> a tech baby's way of solving social problems with data
<waterivesi> the problem is when the person you dont want to hear talk is leading
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<Terminal> woop, inbox at <1,000 messages finally
<BeefHardcheese> just burn it all down
<Lastair> waterivesi: well that's when you quit to play another time
<MagnumOpus> man i feel a lot better unburdening myself in IRC
<waterivesi> suppose
<MagnumOpus> i should shit up the channel for 2 hours more often