Temmie - Today at 12:00
You know, theres something else that recently occured to me that is pissing me off so much more. Despite them never actually doing anything in The Lair or this or the previous version of LG, you have a Ban-on-Sight order for Zeke, Minerva (I think) and Cherish (Who i am still friends with btw...cherish that is) yetit is amoral and WRONG for ME to have someone banned over shit they did elsewhere.
And while minerva i can fully understand, i never really understood Cherish. And it was never a debate, never a thing the three of us talked about. It was a demand.
Like, I do remeber the shit Cherish was gonna try pulling against Zeke. But he didn't. Apparently that stuff was offensive enough for you.
Ave - Today at 17:11
Cherish threatened somebodies offline life over RP. Say that to yourself a few times over, and then ask yourself, if this person wasn't your friend, would you want somebody like that around?
How would you feel if somebody got pissed at you and threatened to find your grandfather and tell him the shit you do online? You think you'd want that person around?
Because thats what Cherish threatened to do.
Temmie - Today at 17:12
Cherish was also very upset over basically the entire site turning on them.  Cherish did threaten to do that, but got talked down/chose not to.
Ave - Today at 17:12
That isn't an excuse.
Temmie - Today at 17:13
But I imagine thats its roughly the same as doxing someone to blackmail them into stopping bothering you.
I mean, whatever feels justifiable at the time
Ave - Today at 17:14
The difference is that I didn't do anything with the information. Nor did I overtly threaten Tina. I handed him all that information and told him to go away. That was all. See, the thing is, Cherish went after Zeke with accusations of pedophelia. That is NOT the same as telling somebody you know a bunch of information about them and telling them to go away. Even an accusation of that sort of thing loses people jobs, family, it follows them their entire life.
ESPECIALLY if you're a male
Temmie - Today at 17:15
Yes and that was the exact argument that I used against Cherish at the time.(edited)
That going through with it would make them the enemy of everybody
Ave - Today at 17:16
You think that justifies it? The dude threatened to ruin somebodies life because he was permabanned from tK and got assdamaged over being banned again. Repeat after me: Cherish got banned from a roleplaying site online and his first response was to try and ruin somebodies life.
Temmie - Today at 17:16
I never excused that actions, and I have openly said it was a shitty thing to do
Ave - Today at 17:17
There is no argument, no rationalization which will ever justify that response. That is somebody who is mentally fucking unhinged.
Temmie - Today at 17:17
Cherish felt that there was some kind of grudge-war going on between them and Zeke, who, we both have to admit, most likely would not hesitate to strike out at someone if he had personal information about them and disliked them enough
Ave - Today at 17:17
Cherish got banned from a roleplaying site and his first response was to try and ruin somebodies life.
Temmie - Today at 17:17
That is the response of someone who was hurt, felt that everybody was against them and wanted to make their opponent/bully feel afraid
Ave - Today at 17:18
That is the response of somebody who is fucking crazy
Temmie - Today at 17:18
Yeah.  I imagine having everybody turn against you would cause a bit of unhinging
I am not saying that it makes it okay
But you know.  Its the past, shouldnt they be given a second chance?
Or is the fact that you feel strongly enough about this that its justifable for you to say no?
Ave - Today at 17:19
Sure, I wouldn't know about that. My father, my grandparents, my aunts, my uncles, my former best friend, my ex (remember the story about Shayde?). I wouldn't know about having people turn on me and stabbing me in the back, would I?
Was my frist reaction something like, "Hey maybe I'll try and comepletely destroy them! Yeah!"
Temmie - Today at 17:19
Yeah, you would.  I would
Ave - Today at 17:19
No, it fucking was not
Temmie - Today at 17:19
No, thats not what I was saying yeah too
Ave - Today at 17:20
Wow I'm getting really fucking tired of you telling me what I would and wouldn't do
Temmie - Today at 17:20
I was saying yeah to you would know that feeling of betrayal
Ave - Today at 17:20
Okay, fair. I take that back then.
Temmie - Today at 17:20
As would I
Ave - Today at 17:20
But goddammit this dude is not right in the head
You can't trust somebody who would do something like that
Temmie - Today at 17:20
I am aware of just how depressed and down a person can get when they feel everybody is turning against them
For me, it was nearly suicide
Should I be outcasted because I was willing to do something extreme?
I mean, If I could find my father, things would not be pretty
I would end up in jail.  Probably for the rest of my life
And I would welcome it
I understand the feeling of betrayal and the desire for revenge
I understand lashing out in anger and regretting it afterwards
Ave - Today at 17:22
No, but if you tried to take somebody with you? If you tried to ruin somebody over a roleplaying site? Yeah, maybe. But the fact of the matter remains, no matter what argument you make, no matter how you try to rationalize it, Cherish wanted to ruin people over roleplay. I don't want to roleplay with somebody like that. Nobody in LG wants to RP with somebody like that. The fact that you do is your business but you won't be doing it in LG.
Temmie - Today at 17:22
I understand that people do and say shit they will regret for the rest of their lives
Yeah and you've never wanted to ruin somebody over shit they did.  Your toooootally not vindictive.
Oh wait
Youve openly admitted to being that vindictive
Ave - Today at 17:23
Wanted to? Sure. Tried it? No.
Thats a major fucking distinction
It's a line that he crossed
Temmie - Today at 17:23
Yeah.  Did Cherish actually do it though?
Ave - Today at 17:23
and it's what earned him a permaban from the place
Temmie - Today at 17:23
Or did he just bluster
Ave - Today at 17:24
Yeah, he fucking tried it. In case you've forgotten - and apparently you have - he went around tK accusing Zeke of pedophelia, then got Minerva involved and they tried to dox him
So that they could go after his offline life
Temmie - Today at 17:24
No, I did not forget that things where said.  I do remember that nothing was actually done though, considering I was still a close friend to them at the time
I am also quite certain that anything said was said simply to make Zeke scared
Since he had absolutely no other means of getting back at him
Ave - Today at 17:25
You think just because nothing came of it that matters? That's like saying "No judge, it's cool, I shot at the guy but I missed so that makes it okay"
Temmie - Today at 17:25
No.  I admit it was fucked up
I said so back then too
And I still believe it was fucked up.
Ave - Today at 17:26
Then stop arguing with me about it, because I'm not going to change my mind on this and if you try to bring him to the site I swear to all the gods old and new and in between I will fight it with the full force of my will
Temmie - Today at 17:26
But I also believe that he wouldn't have actually done it, and I further believe that pretty everybody knew that Zeke has fucked just about anything on Tk
Hmmm.  You seem pretty set in your ways against someone over the shit they did in the past
I mean, people change, right?
Ave - Today at 17:27
Tried. To. Ruin. Somebodies. Life. Over. A. Game.
Temmie - Today at 17:27
Yeah.  Shit happens, people do stupid things they regret.  Also, over a social site, that included everybody that they knew and interacted with on any level
So basically, Zeke destroyed his online social life.
But you dont give a shit about that, cause Cherish did something MUCh worse.
But the point is, your are quite firm in your stance on this.  You dislike them for something you found absolutely offensive.
Ave - Today at 17:28
Yeah, he fucking did. Cherish destroyed that social life long before Zeke got involved by getting himself permabanned from the site, which I would like to remind you also included some fucked up shit like ban evading about a zillion times
Temmie - Today at 17:29
I still dont have proof that Cherish is actually Nazu
Ave - Today at 17:29
Cherish is a threat. He is a threat to the people he RPs with. He is a threat to the people around him. He was willing to dox somebody and go after their offline life over a website. I will never condone somebody like that and I will never tolerate having somebody like that around.
Temmie - Today at 17:29
However, let us remember that Cherish got Perma-banned from a site that you are quite happy to shit-talk about
So dont act like thats some kind of high-ground you have over them
Ave - Today at 17:30
This is a person who made common cause with Mineva to ruin somebodies life out of spite
Why the fuck do I have to keep explaining this to you
Temmie - Today at 17:30
Yeah.  The whole...enemy-of-my-enemy
Should we ban VG for actually marrying the bitch?
Ave - Today at 17:31
Jesus christ, this is ridiculous. Derek married her before she lost her shit. Then he divorced her FOR losing her shit. Derek never tried to dox somebody and accuse them of pedophelia. You're using strawman arguments and I am so done with this conversation
He's not getting unbanned
Period
Temmie - Today at 17:31
Yeah, I know.
There was never any real discussion about it.
Just your decision
Same with the Kade thing
Ave - Today at 17:32
You're goddamned right it was, I would make it again and I will stick by it for as long as LG remains a community
Is that what this is about? You're still upset I swung Joe around with my arguments?
Jesus christ
Temmie - Today at 17:33
Joe was already swung before you came around
He was conviced by Kade himself
You had nothing to do with it
Ave - Today at 17:33
Yet somehow that's 'just my decision'. Yeah okay.
Temmie - Today at 17:33
Though I am still upset that you abandoned your duty, chose to ignore the issue, then come back all 'disappointed' over something you chose to ignore
Ave - Today at 17:34
I quit and the first time you two had a chance to handle something on your own, you banned somebody over a maybe without them actually having done anything. The difference between Kade and Cherish is that Kade's never doxxed any of us and gone after their family
Temmie - Today at 17:34
Im still fairly upset that 'being fair' towards Kade means ignoring the feeling and opinions of someone you consider(ed) a good friend and at least two other people who happen to be the most active in the room
Oh yeah
Cause we IMMEDIATELY banned Kade
he NEVER came around
We just JUMPED on that ban button
Its not like Kade had been around several times.  Or that we had pleasant conversation with him during those times.  Its not like we didn't talk about it first
NBOPE
We just ran head-first into it
Totally kept you out of it as well
Didnt we
How irresponsible
Thank you for showing me the error of my ways
Ave - Today at 17:36
You know what? I'm not doing this. If you want to be butthurt because you got overruled, go ahead and do it. You are being thoroughly irrational about the whole fucking thing and I'm not dealing with this. Come talk to me when you're ready to have an actual conversation instead of bitching at me 10 fucking minutes after I've woken up
Temmie - Today at 17:37
Of course.  Im not immediately following your decision, you dont want to listen to anything but that, so go ahead and ignore me.  Great friend.
Just like every other time we had any issue
I mean.  Do I go about just randomly banning people, or flaunting authority? No.  Never.
Ave - Today at 17:38
Now you listen here, motherfucker. Being your friend doesn't mean that I'm beholden to listen to everything you say. You banned somebody over a room name. You banned somebody over a room name. You banned somebody over a room name. It wasn't right, it wasn't justifiable, it was irrational and you got called out on it. Fucking deal with it.
Temmie - Today at 17:39
I banned someone over a disgusting, cyber-bullying style room-name that, on any other site and on any other name, would be a direct offensive gesture towards fur-players and you are well aware of it
I banned him cause I didnt want that associated with us
Ave - Today at 17:39
You banned him because you were butthurt and decided for him what he meant by it
That's all
Then you got called out on it
and you're mad about that too
Temmie - Today at 17:40
And what was I orignally butthurt over?
Cause I never had an issue with him before
Ave - Today at 17:40
"He's bullying furries with a room name!"
That's literally your whole fucking argument
Temmie - Today at 17:40
Yeah.  A hate-filled named.
From someone who or9iginally created the room, apparently, to troll the TK staff
Because he knew they couldnt do shit about it
Ave - Today at 17:40
Lets just totally ignore the fact that in your own setting, Purists did that kind of shit. THat's inconvenient.
Temmie - Today at 17:41
No, I dont
I dont ignore it
They are the PURE VILLANS
THe unhinged, evil bastards
Completely unredeemable
But I dont open rooms called "Purists Paradise"
Ave - Today at 17:41
Someone makes a room name you don't like and you decided to use your mod status to ban them over it. They didn't do anything in LG. They didn't harrass anyone in LG. They did something outside of LG that you don't like and you decided that earned them a ban.
Temmie - Today at 17:42
Its apart of rp and stays IN rp
They did something I found incredibly offensive
Wether its in the room or not, its still offensive and makes me feel quite uncomfotyable
Ave - Today at 17:42
Has anyone else expressed any incredible offense over this? No. Just you.
Temmie - Today at 17:42
Well, I know of several other people who dont want Kade about
And quite frankly, Im pretty sure you for Kade being around simply to spite one of them
Because they 'betrayed' you
Ave - Today at 17:43
They don't want Kade around for other reasons, you jumped on the first excuse to ban him that you could and THATS what I'm disappointed with. You couldn't even have the integrity to wait until he'd done something. I don't even know who the fuck has problems with him, so fuck you for that, too