RonguatToday at 11:55 AM
Well let me ask you this
When the Venatus Twitch stream receives a donation or subscription
Can you confidently tell me exactly where that money goes

GalaxyToday at 11:56 AM
its sitting in the bank
it will go towards production quality, content creation, and advertising

RonguatToday at 11:56 AM
Every single person from Venatus who I’ve asked has given me a different answer
And I don’t like that

GalaxyToday at 11:56 AM
the only person who has any authority on that is skillz
and me by conjunction since I have the most biz exp out of all venatus

RonguatToday at 11:56 AM
The person before you told me that it was being used to pay casters

GalaxyToday at 11:57 AM
who said that?

RonguatToday at 11:57 AM
The person before that said it was to compensate you guys for your time
The person before that said they have no clue

GalaxyToday at 11:57 AM
blatantly wrong info

RonguatToday at 11:57 AM
And the person before that got offended I asked
It just indicates to me a lack of internal communication and a lack of external transparency
The reason the MCL works so well is that we are hyper aware of EXACTLY what the community wants
And we let them dictate mostly everything all the way up
And we’re okay with making mistakes and iterating
I dunno who the community manager is for Venatus, but they’ve gone pretty silent
Aside from hearsay, I have no real clue what Venatus has planned

GalaxyToday at 11:59 AM
im not sure what ur on about tbh now
we havent announced NA Q4 yet
our plans right now are the rest of EU block

RonguatToday at 12:00 PM
Well

GalaxyToday at 12:00 PM
RonguatToday at 11:43 AM
I spend at least 6 hours a day 7 days a week working on this thing
With zero playtime or compensation
Just to try to keep this shit alive until the devs wake up
this has been us for the last 5 years btw

RonguatToday at 12:00 PM
I went on the venatus melee website
To check the calendar
To see what this “EU Block” was

GalaxyToday at 12:00 PM
our website is shit and needs improvement
we have been announcing in MCG

RonguatToday at 12:00 PM
Regardless

GalaxyToday at 12:00 PM
like we are casting live from insomnia in london this weekend

RonguatToday at 12:01 PM
It’s very difficult to figure out anything about Venatus and I don’t know who knows what or is in charge of whatever

GalaxyToday at 12:01 PM
thats cause shit changes every day :joy:
startup feels
if you need consistency im your guy

RonguatToday at 12:02 PM
Despite that, I’m not here to criticize you guys
Sorry if it seems harsh

GalaxyToday at 12:02 PM
its all good

RonguatToday at 12:02 PM
I just

GalaxyToday at 12:02 PM
constructive criticism is appreciated

RonguatToday at 12:02 PM
I know nothing about the future of Mordhau
So doing what I do
It stings a bit

GalaxyToday at 12:02 PM
none of us do, its new territory

RonguatToday at 12:02 PM
And we’re just supposed to trust Triternion and pray
Don’t even get me started on Jax

GalaxyToday at 12:03 PM
they have a lot of problems as an organization too

RonguatToday at 12:03 PM
I’m like “they should hire more employees”
And people say it would take too much time
But they could just hire a guy to hire employees
They have plenty of capital; there’s no way they’re that shallow

GalaxyToday at 12:04 PM
I will say hiring is not that easy, but youre right they do need more man power
as someone whos hired ppl for my own team

RonguatToday at 12:04 PM
Never said it’s easy
Just that it’s necessary
The fact that they haven’t yet
Really makes me question what I’m doing here
For instance
You guys had a duel tournament set up
And you were partnered with Triternion
And they somehow scheduled a debilitating update exactly on top of your tournament

GalaxyToday at 12:05 PM
yeah for real :joy:
they think they have all the time in the world

RonguatToday at 12:05 PM
And I’m supposed to trust those guys

GalaxyToday at 12:06 PM
they dont realize the clock is ticking
you have a good point

RonguatToday at 12:06 PM
With the future of the scene

GalaxyToday at 12:06 PM
honestly if they  dont get their shit in order I wouldnt be surprised if chiv 2 is a stronger competitor then they think

RonguatToday at 12:06 PM
Oh it will be 100%
If you think Torn Banner isn’t watching this like a hawk
You’re insane
They will look at every mistake Mordhau makes and learn from it

GalaxyToday at 12:07 PM
yeah
which I dont want to happen tbh
but if it does it does

RonguatToday at 12:07 PM
Ironically enough
The only reason I haven’t given up on the MCL
Is because of Chiv 2
Triternion made an amazing combat mechanics demo
But a terrible game
And that’s the sad reality

GalaxyToday at 12:08 PM
facts
we'll have to see how patchie increases numbers and retention

RonguatToday at 12:09 PM
I don’t understand how they can silently work on it
Without giving updates
Like
What the fuck is Jax doing
Do anything

GalaxyToday at 12:09 PM
building settlements in fallout 4 lol

RonguatToday at 12:09 PM
Tell us your struggles
Let us sympathize

GalaxyToday at 12:09 PM
mordhau the only game to put 0 effort into marketing

RonguatToday at 12:09 PM
Bro
They have their priorities so backwards
It’s silly
They’re making new maps
Without realizing
If they just made the SDK first
The game would make itself
Then they could count their cash in peace
It frustrates me to no end that they carry this air of “we know what we’re doing, just be patient”
But they’re a bunch of kids who made a shitload of money who work from home internationally
They don’t know what they’re doing and there’s no way anyone sane could imagine they do
This is their first game; they’re not veteran devs
They don’t have the privilege of telling everyone to be quiet and wait patiently
Their kickstarter backers paid for stuff that is more than a year and a half late
But
“Just be patient”
And THESE are the guys I’m putting my faith in.  To save the future of Mordhau.

GalaxyToday at 12:13 PM
I will give them the benefit of the doubt in the fact that going from 0 to 8 figure gaming studio does not come without challenges
I can only imagine their accounting nightmare

RonguatToday at 12:13 PM
HIRE AN ACCOUNTANT

GalaxyToday at 12:13 PM
at the same time their game will die if they dont step up
like youre saying SDK would solve everything

RonguatToday at 12:14 PM
It would
Because then
The pressure is off them to make content
And they can focus on infrastructure
And by all accounts, they need it desperately
They have such a passionate community of talented individuals who care about the game
The MCL by itself is a testament to that
There are programmers, graphic designers, data scientists, and many more people out there who would literally help make this game free of charge because they love it so much
And ALL of it
Is tossed in the trash
Because Triternion “know what they’re doing” and no longer listen to their community.
Man, there isn’t a whole lot I wouldn’t do to have Jax’s job
Just so that I could be the transparency that Triternion needs
They feel the need to be so secretive but all it does is make them the enemy
It doesn’t make the game better.
And somebody desperately needs to tell those guys what they’re doing wrong who they will listen to

GalaxyToday at 12:20 PM
they wont listen
until they see their game dead in front of them

RonguatToday at 12:20 PM
I am aware

GalaxyToday at 12:20 PM
but youre so right on everything

RonguatToday at 12:20 PM
If there’s no update by the end of this month
I have a nuclear bomb option
That I will use to force their hand

GalaxyToday at 12:21 PM
:open_mouth:

RonguatToday at 12:21 PM
It will involve ESL and PCGamer

GalaxyToday at 12:21 PM
oh shit
im curious but I understand if you dont want to give details

RonguatToday at 12:21 PM
Basically

GalaxyToday at 12:21 PM
patchie likely next week tho

RonguatToday at 12:22 PM
I’m gonna bring ESL in on the MCL
Which sounds insane
But there’s more truth to it than you might think
And I’ll straight up lie and say Triternion promised us a comp mode
Which is why ESL would cone in
And then we won’t have it and ESL will be PISSED that their time is wasted
And I’ll have PCGamer cover it
The one single thing that hurts Triternion
Is media
It’s not money
Or power
Or passion
They HATE bad press.  They don’t like being held accountable for their mistakes.
And even if the ESL bit doesn’t work because that’s a stretch
I have other ways to slander the game and the scene to force them to MOVE
And if there’s no update by the end of the month, I quite literally have nothing to lose
Except maybe more free time to spend with my family when the MCL is gone
Not like I was profiting or getting to play anyway
I know you’ll probably share that with everyone you can and while I’d really rather you not, I get it

GalaxyToday at 12:27 PM
I wont
Im a man of principle
its an interesting idea

RonguatToday at 12:27 PM
My ultimate point is this: I’m not the guy who will sit around and do nothing.  When I want to move in a direction, I’m VERY smart about it and I don’t stop.  I was raised on the philosophy of “find solutions, not problems”

GalaxyToday at 12:27 PM
I dont really support the idea of slandering mordhau but results are results

RonguatToday at 12:28 PM
I didn’t even know the melee slasher genre existed until 3 days before Mordhau came out

GalaxyToday at 12:28 PM
same
add value everywhere
damn really?

RonguatToday at 12:28 PM
And now I basically run the scene
For now
I learned what Chiv was by listening to Mordhau players talk about it
I just have a very unique ability to get results in whatever I put my mind to
I’m very driven and excruciatingly detail-oriented
And maybe a bit egotistical but self-aware
I think valuing what you have to offer to the world can be a potent thing though

GalaxyToday at 12:30 PM
you should start your own business tbh
you sound like a natural entrepreneur

RonguatToday at 12:30 PM
Well I was raised by two of them
Each of my parents started and run a separate business to the tune of tens of millions

GalaxyToday at 12:31 PM
wow holy shit
what sectors?

RonguatToday at 12:31 PM
My dad is in home technology, my mom is actually a super in-demand relationship therapist
My mom gets paid $750 an hour to simply speak

GalaxyToday at 12:32 PM
thats awesome
no wonder you are so driven to be a creator

RonguatToday at 12:32 PM
It’s a bit intimidating

GalaxyToday at 12:32 PM
I can imagine lol

RonguatToday at 12:32 PM
Cuz I’m supposed to live up to that
They keep asking me when they can invest in the MCL
And I have to say “wait”
It creates tension cuz they think I’m being lazy
But it’s Triternion
And this isn’t a business

GalaxyToday at 12:33 PM
too risky to invest
thats where we're at

RonguatToday at 12:33 PM
I know man

GalaxyToday at 12:33 PM
while we are an entity
we arent a business
cause no revenue

RonguatToday at 12:33 PM
I just don’t know where I fit into all of this
I wish I could find an audience with Triternion but I don’t have enough “Mordhau Clout” yet
And it pains me to no end

GalaxyToday at 12:35 PM
in your eyes how could venatus and you come together for an NA league?

RonguatToday at 12:35 PM
I would’ve worked my way into Venatus if I agreed with the direction you guys were headed around the time I started the MCL
Honestly
Pretty much just endorsement for now
I think we have an incredibly well-optimized formula
And the community feedback has been overwhelmingly positive
But I’m not okay with my work resulting in money in the Venatus account as of now
I would be open to a dialogue with Venatus about it, but I’d want the whole convo recorded/streamed because I’m not down with super secret meetings at the top where the community are locked out once again
The players and the viewers are the lifeblood of the scene, not the people at the top
So ultimately they know what’s best; not us.
They know better that Triternion and they know better than Venatus.  I’d say they know better than the MCL but the MCL is a direct reflection of EXACTLY what the community wanted.

GalaxyToday at 12:40 PM
you wouldnt be open to a private conversation so we can brain storm?

RonguatToday at 12:40 PM
What would we be talking about that the community isn’t privy to?

GalaxyToday at 12:40 PM
my concern with a streamed convo is that you already know people are going to try to sound bite us at every turn

RonguatToday at 12:41 PM
I think it’s important to show vulnerability in being willing to take that risk

GalaxyToday at 12:41 PM
back end operations do not need to be public knowledge

RonguatToday at 12:41 PM
At this point, as you said, nobody’s making any money
We don’t have anything to hide for our part at least
I know it’s an unconventional line of logic

GalaxyToday at 12:42 PM
I dont necessarily have an issue with it, im just positive that other members might be against it

RonguatToday at 12:42 PM
But if it’s streamed, perhaps people watching may have ideas better than anything we come up with
That typically happens with us
It’s why our league is so well thought out
I’m no mastermind but the best of everyone’s brightest ideas makes for a pretty kickass system
Why should the burden be on us alone to do everything correctly and optimally on the first try
Without help/feedback from the people most affected by our decisions

GalaxyToday at 12:44 PM
we have a bit of a hybrid system where we do listen to the community but we are the top level decision makers
like how we voted upon the ruleset between NA EU and OCE
the fact that you guys already know where the strengths and weaknesses lie could help this potential joint league be better than if either mcl or venatus did it alone
we wouldnt want to take control or doing anything with MCL
but we'd love to cooperate on a more expanded NA league
ill have to run the idea about collaborating with the guys and see what their thoughts are
cause it seems to be in the best interest of NA longevity

RonguatToday at 12:46 PM
I am open to hearing any ideas you have

GalaxyToday at 12:46 PM
and I have always supported mcl since its inception
I'll get back to you when I hear from them

RonguatToday at 12:46 PM
In our case, there are no top level decision makers
Just raw community feedback
Our job as admins is to think of the ways to most accurately and comprehensively collect that feedback
But we do exactly what the majority wants in every case