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  1. [Fri 06:32:03] Incarnum: i doubt it. in all honesty
  2. [Fri 06:32:13] Incarnum: not many nations run GDP
  3. [Fri 06:32:15] Schatten: There's your delicious Asalerian sugar. One of the tasiest in the world. Bon appetit!
  4. [Fri 06:32:18] Incarnum: i used to, but that was too expensive
  5. [Fri 06:32:51] Incarnum: the amount of oil i made back then was more, but no one bought that much (stably) and i couldn't live from death tick to death tick XD
  6. [Fri 06:33:03] Incarnum: (usually the needed amount was found right before the tick that would kill me happened)
  7. [Fri 06:33:05] Schatten: But there seems to be enough oil. That's the biggest factor.
  8. [Fri 06:33:20] Incarnum: Not when you're an oil nation
  9. [Fri 06:33:23] Incarnum: I can't have nearly enough sugar
  10. [Fri 06:33:27] Schatten: Yes, but I'm Burro.^^
  11. [Fri 06:33:33] Incarnum: We should totally work together XD
  12. [Fri 06:33:42] Incarnum: how much per tick do you need?
  13. [Fri 06:33:56] Schatten: If the market can support a "several k er tick" oil use, then it's good to go.
  14. [Fri 06:34:35] Incarnum: Ill kick up my oil production to the max
  15. [Fri 06:34:37] Incarnum: and see how much i make
  16. [Fri 06:34:43] Incarnum: (And oil consumtion too)
  17. [Fri 06:35:39] Schatten: Seems good then. I'll see what I can do with my parts and money reserves. Might take a day or two to get fully grown.
  18. [Fri 06:35:52] Schatten: Myra'll be happy too, I guess.^^
  19. [Fri 06:35:53] Incarnum: http://puu.sh/n58dx.png
  20. [Fri 06:36:00] Incarnum: This is with EVERYTHING on that uses oil
  21. [Fri 06:36:03] Incarnum: i make over 4k per tick
  22. [Fri 06:36:20] Incarnum: well almost everything
  23. [Fri 06:36:24] Incarnum: - 50 plastic factories
  24. [Fri 06:36:27] Incarnum: so think of it as a stable 4k
  25. [Fri 06:38:10] Schatten: You can spare some Gas to fill my initial stockpiles?
  26. [Fri 06:39:00] Incarnum: I can, i think i might have enough
  27. [Fri 06:39:04] Incarnum: Let me check
  28. [Fri 06:39:18] Incarnum: i have 4k to spare
  29. [Fri 06:39:40] Schatten: Should be enough. Thanks. How much do you want for it? 4k sugar?^^
  30. [Fri 06:40:43] Incarnum: That would be amazing, but place your bid first, i just used moneys on something pretty important. (Called cupcakes XD)
  31. [Fri 06:41:42] Incarnum: Just get me the 3k i dont have enough money ATM for the 4k XD
  32. [Fri 06:41:46] Incarnum: since theres still a fee
  33. [Fri 06:42:45] Incarnum: ANYWAYS, thank you for saving my sorry ass
  34. [Fri 06:43:31] Incarnum: this is
  35. [Fri 06:43:35] Incarnum: the third time im being saved :V
  36. [Fri 06:43:39] Incarnum: These last 2 weeks
  37. [Fri 06:44:03] Incarnum: i have a huge stockpile of machinery/vehicle parts
  38. [Fri 06:44:08] Incarnum: but that aint helping me right now XD
  39. [Fri 06:45:31] Schatten: I could use them.
  40. [Fri 06:45:39] Schatten: Name your price.
  41. [Fri 06:45:58] Incarnum: does 45k per machinery and 35k per vehicle sound fair?
  42. [Fri 06:46:07] Incarnum: i thik thats their market price
  43. [Fri 06:46:27] Incarnum: Thats what i bought them for ayway lol
  44. [Fri 06:46:52] Incarnum: but i only have 4k machinery and 10k vehicle
  45. [Fri 06:46:53] Incarnum: to spare
  46. [Fri 06:47:15] Schatten: Alright...I don't care that much. If you want money, I can only tae 500 of each then though.
  47. [Fri 06:47:33] Incarnum: i will need the moeny for an army
  48. [Fri 06:47:42] Incarnum: and i dont want to be a dick and just take money :V
  49. [Fri 06:47:52] Schatten: Or, if you put sugar at 10k for trade, I have about 15k more of that, too.
  50. [Fri 06:47:55] Incarnum: I'm willing to sell half of my stock XD
  51. [Fri 06:48:17] Schatten: Why do you need an army?
  52. [Fri 06:48:33] Incarnum: 500 rebels
  53. [Fri 06:48:37] Incarnum: i 6 horus
  54. [Fri 06:48:42] Incarnum: will kill me
  55. [Fri 06:48:52] Schatten: I thought we just prevented that? Oo
  56. [Fri 06:48:52] Incarnum: ill build an army in 4 before the battle tick
  57. [Fri 06:49:01] Incarnum: or now
  58. [Fri 06:49:05] Incarnum: that really doesn't matter
  59. [Fri 06:49:07] Incarnum: since no per tick input
  60. [Fri 06:49:18] Schatten: It does matter. Troop sat.
  61. [Fri 06:49:35] Incarnum: Having an army decreases sat?
  62. [Fri 06:49:38] Incarnum: because Im already attacked
  63. [Fri 06:49:47] Incarnum: but if i have an army it decreases more?
  64. [Fri 06:49:52] Schatten: Yes, it does.
  65. [Fri 06:50:09] Incarnum: Okay, thanks for the info i still have +150 sat tho XD
  66. [Fri 06:50:17] Schatten: Each troop above 20 costs 0.5 sat per tick.
  67. [Fri 06:50:18] Incarnum: because im at 2200 and i have a cap of 2500
  68. [Fri 06:50:31] Incarnum: oh
  69. [Fri 06:50:33] Incarnum: What if i have
  70. [Fri 06:50:36] Incarnum: 5 groups 20 each?
  71. [Fri 06:50:37] Schatten: Anyway, parts offers up. For the asked price.
  72. [Fri 06:50:54] Schatten: If you want more sugar, feel free to ut offers up as well. I can fill them as I can.
  73. [Fri 06:51:14] Schatten: 5 groups of 20 are 100. So that's 40 sat per tick.
  74. [Fri 06:51:21] Incarnum: Poop
  75. [Fri 06:51:26] Incarnum: XD
  76. [Fri 06:52:01] Incarnum: do you make 1.3k sugar per turn?
  77. [Fri 06:52:12] Schatten: So in general, people build armies right the tick they need them. Unless they have excessive sat.
  78. [Fri 06:52:24] Schatten: I'm at 680 now.
  79. [Fri 06:52:44] Incarnum: Well, I'll manage for now XD
  80. [Fri 06:52:53] Incarnum: I sometimes think i overbuilt myself
  81. [Fri 06:53:00] Schatten: If Myra comes one, he'll probably be able to supply more stuff, then I can do 1.5k easily.
  82. [Fri 06:53:21] Incarnum: well, i have 4k oil per tick
  83. [Fri 06:53:23] Incarnum: as net
  84. [Fri 06:53:31] Incarnum: i bet i can supply a few players
  85. [Fri 06:53:38] Schatten: You have a suboptimal mechwells/fracker spread.
  86. [Fri 06:53:44] Incarnum: i just cant supply myself since oil is at 10k
  87. [Fri 06:53:49] Incarnum: Kinda
  88. [Fri 06:53:59] Incarnum: I have the same amoutn of damage from all oil instalations
  89. [Fri 06:54:04] Incarnum: and all 10 facilities
  90. [Fri 06:54:18] Schatten: I don't think it's that overbuilt in general, but rearrange your buildings a bit should help.
  91. [Fri 06:54:34] Incarnum: i just usually halt half of my buildings
  92. [Fri 06:54:40] Incarnum: and reduce the sugar usuage by half in bad times
  93. [Fri 06:54:46] Incarnum: But this morning
  94. [Fri 06:54:50] Incarnum: sugar was at 30k piece.
  95. [Fri 06:54:56] Incarnum: And I couldn't afford it since no one ever bought oil
  96. [Fri 06:55:02] Incarnum: and 9kk per turn isn't enough to buy 600
  97. [Fri 06:55:10] Schatten: Deactivated buildings also cost sat, you knw that!?
  98. [Fri 06:55:17] Incarnum: yap
  99. [Fri 06:55:20] Incarnum: 1 sat per building
  100. [Fri 06:55:23] Incarnum: thats why i demolished some
  101. [Fri 06:55:34] Incarnum: not to a drastic level
  102. [Fri 06:55:43] Incarnum: I had WAY TOO MUCH vodka production
  103. [Fri 06:55:46] Incarnum: and energy production
  104. [Fri 06:55:48] Incarnum: so i killed that
  105. [Fri 06:56:08] Incarnum: I can turn off my energy alltogether for about 20 ticks
  106. [Fri 06:56:17] Incarnum: i need 1k per tick and i have over 25k
  107. [Fri 06:56:38] Incarnum: (I made my own parts while copper was cheap)
  108. [Fri 06:56:50] Incarnum: (I mean it was 8k, come on!)
  109. [Fri 06:58:12] Incarnum: its sometimes tempting to screw independance and go for war XD
  110. [Fri 06:59:19] Schatten: Making parts yourself? Wow...no reliable Prze's around?
  111. [Fri 06:59:32] Incarnum: There were
  112. [Fri 06:59:40] Incarnum: But copper was 8k piece
  113. [Fri 07:00:03] Incarnum: And they wanted over 50k per one. (Except for a specific person, whos name i dont remember, trump tower. He kept placing at 35k each no matter what. Even now.)
  114. [Fri 07:01:01] Schatten: Well. Either those are tax evasion offers, or they're crazy. From any economy rule, parts prices should go down with copper, too.
  115. [Fri 07:01:42] Incarnum: Trump Tower was just really nice and kept buying il from people at extremely low prices for those parts XD
  116. [Fri 07:01:48] Incarnum: oil*
  117. [Fri 07:03:27] Schatten: Ah. K.^^
  118. [Fri 07:03:40] Incarnum: and copper wet up in price, so parts are this expensive
  119. [Fri 07:03:50] Incarnum: too expensive tho
  120. [Fri 07:03:54] Schatten: Hm. My money reserves are now at 600k...i have to stop expanding...
  121. [Fri 07:04:03] Incarnum: Because as I see it, parts should be (maximum 5k bonus, yes im greedy) +oil pricex1.5+copper price
  122. [Fri 07:04:31] Incarnum: 1.5x since 12 oil into 8 energy if gasoline.
  123. [Fri 07:04:41] Incarnum: or the sat penalty is 0.5 of oil if you burn it directly
  124. [Fri 07:05:16] Incarnum: im just glad that no matter what, ill have oil XD
  125. [Fri 07:06:09] Schatten: ^^
  126. [Fri 07:06:57] Incarnum: ANYHOW. Im glad you saved my ass with your sugar
  127. [Fri 07:07:03] Incarnum: If you ever need cheap oil, come by xD
  128. [Fri 07:07:11] Schatten: No probs. I will.^^
  129. [Fri 07:07:29] Incarnum: how much do you use per tick?
  130. [Fri 07:07:47] Schatten: Being a Burro, I always will need oil. And seeing as I plan to run a full-blown nation with 500-600 sugar farms, I'll need lots of it. ^^
  131. [Fri 07:08:02] Incarnum: well im going to use the 20kk you gave me
  132. [Fri 07:08:06] Schatten: Right now, I'm at 240.
  133. [Fri 07:08:10] Incarnum: and se tit on market for sugar
  134. [Fri 07:08:22] Incarnum: what should our sugar trade price be?
  135. [Fri 07:08:24] Incarnum: how much you want per sugar?
  136. [Fri 07:09:25] Schatten: I have no idea what good prices are these days. Is 12k much?
  137. [Fri 07:09:43] Incarnum: hey if its not 30 or 20k im fine
  138. [Fri 07:09:44] Incarnum: xD
  139. [Fri 07:09:52] Schatten: Lol.
  140. [Fri 07:10:31] Incarnum: well, sugars up, sell whenever you can how much you ca.
  141. [Fri 07:10:51] Schatten: I remember using 12k as a minimum price for selling sugar. Which meant that I would often not sell at all, since others were cheaper.
  142. [Fri 07:10:53] Incarnum: Ill sell you cheaper oil for 5k piece .w.
  143. [Fri 07:11:14] Incarnum: since the 5k price is there ONLY because i kinda crashed it with my bid xD
  144. [Fri 07:11:14] Schatten: Sweet!
  145. [Fri 07:11:24] Incarnum: i placed 27k for 5k oil.
  146. [Fri 07:11:29] Schatten: Yeah, that happens.^^
  147. [Fri 07:11:38] Incarnum: as in 5k per 1 oil.
  148. [Fri 07:11:51] Incarnum: I find it amusing i can crash the market...
  149. [Fri 07:12:38] Schatten: Yeah, with such a small game population.^^
  150. [Fri 07:12:52] Incarnum: Thats why ill try not to.
  151. [Fri 07:12:56] Incarnum: New players wont be abe to grow XD
  152. [Fri 07:12:57] Schatten: Minty and PIBH used to pretty much _set_ the oil price, for months at a time.
  153. [Fri 07:13:28] Schatten: As in, one of them. At different times, not both at once.
  154. [Fri 07:13:38] Incarnum: FIrst one stockpiles
  155. [Fri 07:13:41] Incarnum: then the other, huh?
  156. [Fri 07:14:02] Incarnum: i just know these high prices are hard to afford
  157. [Fri 07:14:05] Incarnum: looking at the max GDP
  158. [Fri 07:14:17] Incarnum: I used to be the leader with 57kk for like a week.
  159. [Fri 07:14:21] Incarnum: But it was too hard to maintain.
  160. [Fri 07:14:44] Incarnum: and i bought masses of stuff and pepole started to increase the pries since i poured bits in :V
  161. [Fri 07:14:49] Incarnum: I caused the inflation i think...
  162. [Fri 07:15:18] Incarnum: and since my GDP is gone, no one buys stuff at those prices xD
  163. [Fri 07:15:37] Schatten: No, not like that. PIBH would set the oil price over a year ago. Minty, after the reset.
  164. [Fri 07:15:47] Incarnum: Ah.
  165. [Fri 07:16:00] Incarnum: Interesting people.
  166. [Fri 07:16:19] Schatten: When PIBH quit, he gave me like 13 million oil.
  167. [Fri 07:16:25] Incarnum: holy
  168. [Fri 07:16:42] Schatten: That was before the inflation mechnic, but still.
  169. [Fri 07:17:51] Incarnum: ANYHOW, pleasure doing business with you.
  170. [Fri 07:18:11] Incarnum: I can suply you with parts/machinery if need be for now
  171. [Fri 07:18:22] Incarnum: I still have 10k to spare of vehicle and 3.5k to spare of mechanical
  172. [Fri 07:18:42] Incarnum: i can sell you them too later.
  173. [Fri 07:18:49] Schatten: K. I'll get back to you when I have monies.^^
  174. [Fri 07:18:57] Incarnum: Or sugar
  175. [Fri 07:19:05] Incarnum: I will have buyers on from time to time
  176. [Fri 07:19:08] Schatten: Yes.^^
  177. [Fri 07:19:16] Incarnum: if you will need more money go to regular
  178. [Fri 07:19:21] Incarnum: You'll get more profit from there XD
  179. [Fri 07:19:29] Schatten: regular?
  180. [Fri 07:19:36] Incarnum: regular marktet place
  181. [Fri 07:19:40] Incarnum: sellers?
  182. [Fri 07:19:49] Schatten: Oh. Yes, I know.
  183. [Fri 07:20:07] Incarnum: But dont worry, I'll supply you with oil if you supply with sugar XD
  184. [Fri 07:20:36] Schatten: But I estimate I'll need another billion bits or so, so doing regular business would still take a while.
  185. [Fri 07:20:55] Incarnum: You do that, if you need cheaper parts, ill be here
  186. [Fri 07:21:00] Incarnum: that or Trump Tower.
  187. [Fri 07:21:01] Schatten: As I said, Myra will possibly help out.
  188. [Fri 07:21:06] Incarnum: He will gladly supply you.
  189. [Fri 07:21:24] Incarnum: I think it was either honecomb or keymaster
  190. [Fri 07:21:30] Incarnum: not sure which one of them has The Trump Tower
  191. [Fri 07:21:43] Incarnum: i think honeycomb
  192. [Fri 07:29:12] Schatten: Ah. Yeah, that makes sense.^^
  193. [Fri 07:31:53] Incarnum: Either way, thank you again. I hope we both will benefit from this. Just place on buyers market place for oil. I'll sell you all the oil you need. Be it stockpiling or 500 per tick.
  194. [Fri 07:33:49] Incarnum: I just need to find 100 000 000 before the war tick now XD
  195. [Fri 07:34:49] Schatten: That...seems like a challenge.^^
  196. [Fri 07:35:02] Schatten: Ask your alliance?
  197. [Fri 07:50:55] Incarnum: My plan is to leave it most likely :V
  198. [Fri 07:58:06] Schatten: Oo
  199. [Fri 07:58:33] Schatten: Well, you'd be welcome to FC, if you want to...
  200. [Fri 08:08:15] Incarnum: That might happen but not just yet. Im not even sure xD
  201. [Fri 08:08:22] Incarnum: Im tempted to take a warpath
  202. [Fri 08:08:34] Incarnum: but i know one thing, all the people who you can fight
  203. [Fri 08:08:43] Incarnum: already have backup and im not sure if i want to bother with a war
  204. [Fri 08:09:11] Incarnum: if the FC ever want to set on a warpath with anyone, you guys can count on me lateron, but i will not provoke anything ever XD
  205. [Fri 08:15:26] Schatten: Don't be offended, but you seem to be having trouble with 500 rebels. War is NOT a good idea.^^
  206. [Fri 08:16:25] Incarnum: Thats my point.
  207. [Fri 08:16:37] Incarnum: War is extremely tempted, if i manage to get my hooves on a sugar nation...
  208. [Fri 08:16:47] Incarnum: I've been having sugar problems 3 times in a row.
  209. [Fri 08:17:14] Incarnum: I can't expect to be bailed out every time you know?
  210. [Fri 08:17:17] Incarnum: Im not saying right now, but in the future. That message ont he top makes me agree with it Q.Q
  211. [Fri 09:56:33] Danube: Someone interested in warring?
  212. [Fri 09:57:51] Danube: Incarnum, you interested in conqwering a burro? Well, if you can find a suitable one, I might be able to act as a hitman :D.
  213. [Fri 10:15:17] Keymaster: Oil shock sale! 5k per unit!
  214. [Fri 10:24:05] Incarnum: Keymaster
  215. [Fri 10:24:06] Incarnum: Could you
  216. [Fri 10:24:13] Incarnum: Posisbly buy my oil at the hightened price .w.
  217. [Fri 10:24:21] Incarnum: If i dont get 100kk ill die this tick...
  218. [Fri 10:24:23] Incarnum: xD
  219. [Fri 10:24:41] Incarnum: Limsa is LITERALLY killing me
  220. [Fri 10:24:54] Incarnum: a nation that can provide 4.1k oil per tick net T.T
  221. [Fri 10:25:48] Incarnum: Plz dont kill me or atleast buy my oil.
  222. [Fri 13:35:16] Keymaster: I actually make 5k oil a tick :p
  223. [Fri 13:36:29] Keymaster: Speaking of which, 3500 bits per oil!
  224. [Fri 13:38:08] Incarnum: you are out to kill me
  225. [Fri 13:38:09] Incarnum: aren't you?
  226. [Fri 13:38:18] Incarnum: how do you even make enough to buy sugar?
  227. [Fri 13:57:12] DictatorDuck: 5k per tick? I make half that....
  228. [Fri 13:57:28] DictatorDuck: At least I'm more sustainable!
  229. [Fri 14:11:50] Keymaster: I have over 100k of sugar :p that's how I survive!
  230. [Fri 14:13:16] Keymaster: I can sustain myself well xD
  231. [Fri 14:15:56] Keymaster: Just because I'm generous: 30k sugar at 8k per unit prices!
  232. [Fri 14:55:59] Admin: Flags are in. Right now they're only on View User and View Alliance. You can't upload any images to my server with it (offsite images only)
  233. [Fri 14:56:15] Admin: Let me know all the places you want to see them. Note that flags are on the user and not the nation level.
  234. [Fri 15:19:46] DictatorDuck: What are they resized to?
  235. [Fri 15:23:52] Admin: 20x20
  236. [Fri 16:05:39] Keymaster: how does one do such?
  237. [Fri 16:09:09] Incarnum: Isn't it obvious? In chat and private messages!~
  238. [Fri 16:09:17] Incarnum: Though I dont know if that will work. owo
  239. [Fri 16:13:55] Admin: ...I actually could
  240. [Fri 16:14:40] Admin: although I'm not sure if chat is the best idea
  241. [Fri 16:23:35] Incarnum: Well, PM might be!
  242. [Fri 16:23:57] Incarnum: And how about change the top chat message from "People talked." to "Ponies talked." or something. Since you know, suit the theme of the game? XD
  243. [Fri 18:35:18] NotASomepony: could somepony sell machinery parts pls
  244. [Fri 18:54:07] Admin: Incarnum: I get a lot of pushback if I put too much "pony" on things, and it's clear that the players aren't pones themselves
  245. [Fri 18:54:20] Admin: although we get people like not a somepony asking for ponies :D
  246. [Fri 18:54:30] Admin: also if you really want something *invite a new player to help you make it*
  247. [Fri 19:02:02] NotASomepony: Admin.
  248. [Fri 19:02:09] NotASomepony: How about you make me some machinery parts?
  249. [Fri 19:02:45] NotASomepony: c:
  250. [Fri 19:05:55] NotASomepony: Cuz none of my friends get this game xC or are really interested
  251. [Fri 19:32:30] Honeycomb: Aight, machine parts coming up
  252. [Fri 20:36:29] NotASomepony: df
  253. [Fri 20:36:34] NotASomepony: someone ate it
  254. [Fri 22:30:40] DeDuder: Should I wait for 1000 superpower satisfaction to get both environmental facilities or get more facilities to improve my economy?
  255. [Fri 22:38:29] Honeycomb: "wait for 1000 superpower satisfaction"
  256. [Fri 22:38:35] Honeycomb: this is an odd turn of phrase
  257. [Fri 22:39:36] Honeycomb: because with worship centers it would be ridiculous to try and get 1000 superpower satisfaction (actually the threshold is 900, but we'll let that slide)
  258. [Fri 22:39:55] Honeycomb: due to the decreasing returns as your superpower affinity increases
  259. [Fri 22:41:16] Honeycomb: the way to do it is to stock 14400 oil, 1000 composites, 5000 copper, and 200M bits, and to make all ten enviros in one push by shipping 7200 oil to each sister and then creating the enviros
  260. [Fri 22:50:10] Honeycomb: by the way, it seems like the guy has left so no harm done, but I thought Admin would be interested to know that noobs still aren't reading the rules http://i.imgur.com/JchkF4Z.png?1
  261. [Sat 08:05:14] Schatten: Not surprising. Pretty much no one reads rules.
  262. [Sat 08:06:36] Schatten: DeDuder: What Honeycomb said. Getting to 900 rep with one sister is ridiculous with worship centers, let alone both. Do what he said, and stock drugs in addition to that. To get some money back at the end.
  263. [Sat 08:08:00] Schatten: Or, if you are content with only five EFs, you could go Solar Vassal / Lunar Client. But this also is done by shipping oil to get to 1k rep, not by worship.
  264. [Sat 08:45:13] DictatorDuck: So are the Swedes now at war with the coalition?
  265. [Sat 09:06:41] DictatorDuck: A quick reminder, I'm available for any righteous intervention with the promise of land.
  266. [Sat 09:43:26] Schatten: Huh...strange indeed...
  267. [Sat 11:35:19] NotASomepony: http://i.imgur.com/SHH44uf.jpg
  268. [Sat 12:09:40] NotASomepony: ^And no, that isn't horseporn. Not this time ;)))
  269. [Sat 12:24:05] Keymaster: No. There's no need for intervention yet. And even if such were needed, I have someone that would be most interested in joining.
  270. [Sat 12:40:30] DictatorDuck: But I insist! If there is war to be had, and the innocent to protect, I must take action!
  271. [Sat 13:46:14] Honeycomb: You know, the stupid of this situation is really just too thick.
  272. [Sat 13:55:36] Myrami: Explain yourself, Keymaster! Is there any reason why Admin shouldn't ban you and Nss for violating rule 4?
  273. [Sat 14:25:57] Keymaster: I attacked another nation before joining coalition. i failed miserably, and used Nss4fun's money for such. the agreement was to get her an oil nation. i failed in doing that. therefore, i made an oil nation for myself. i waited about a week or so to see i
  274. [Sat 14:27:09] Keymaster: **if i could obtain another saddle nation without losing mine that was superpowered. If i wasn't still independent when i attacked, then i would have had the nation, given her the lesser producing one, and keep the oil markets stable with the one i had.
  275. [Sat 14:28:27] Keymaster: since i failed still to get that, my own nation was up for her, unfortunately enough. she took it over. if she's reading in this chat, i hope she realizes that she better contribute to the marketplace.
  276. [Sat 14:29:06] Keymaster: Anything else need explaining? Or am I at fault for something that i agreed to doing for her over a month ago?
  277. [Sat 14:32:31] Incarnum: Is it against the rules to "buy" a nation but then not pay the person thus lying? XD (I mean lying isn't against the rules, buying is) I know I'll be a total dick, but is it? .3.
  278. [Sat 14:36:32] Honeycomb: AYO HOL UP
  279. [Sat 14:36:41] Honeycomb: SO U BE SAYIN
  280. [Sat 14:38:14] Incarnum: I get what he's saying but he fucked up with independance. Thus he gave up this nation (And since he COMPLETELY TRASHED a nation) he made a new one. I'm not sure if thats allowed or not.
  281. [Sat 15:23:18] Incarnum: Thinking about it, theres nothing against the rules. Since he did not give up his nation, but to be fair: he lost it. I mean, as long as he didn't get compensation from nss after that.
  282. [Sat 15:26:04] Honeycomb: If that's the case, then that's aggression against my alliance.
  283. [Sat 15:27:04] Honeycomb: And seeing as how Nss seems to have funded Keymaster's attack before, that's now a second count.
  284. [Sat 15:29:02] Honeycomb: But really, it's all semantics how you want to define it.
  285. [Sat 15:50:30] DictatorDuck: So... no crusade?
  286. [Sat 15:52:26] Keymaster: No duck, no crusade
  287. [Sat 15:59:26] Incarnum: I can just imagine him being like. "Aww, alright ponies, scrable, I dont need this army anymore."
  288. [Sat 18:56:52] Calamity: Key, you didnt even try defending 10 Navals. You might as well gave her that nation.
  289. [Sat 20:12:33] Honeycomb: Technically that screencap isn't proof of any wrongdoing. Nicole could have sent a larger force and then disbanded all but 10 Naval.
  290. [Sat 20:14:51] Calamity: Do you still keep your reports after losing your nation?
  291. [Sat 20:24:14] Honeycomb: Even if you do, then we'd be putting these guys in the situation of proving their innocence, instead of the more proper "innocent until proven guilty" procedure.
  292. [Sat 21:59:45] Hawaiian Slap: selling stupid cheap sugar, 10000 a unit on the market
  293. [Sat 22:01:03] Honeycomb: dude you should have seen Myrami's sales on sugar, he went down to like 4k apiece
  294. [Sat 22:02:47] Hawaiian Slap: what do you want for it then, I'll go as low as 2k a piece!
  295. [Sat 22:05:07] Honeycomb: don't do that, friend. Keep the price reasonable, 10k is still relatively cheap.
  296. [Sat 22:05:48] Hawaiian Slap: it's there for 2,000 a unit
  297. [Sat 22:06:11] DictatorDuck: Times were better back when burros were desperately selling sugar for 5k regularly.
  298. [Sat 22:06:56] Hawaiian Slap: was money desperate
  299. [Sat 22:07:51] DictatorDuck: for burros it was.
  300. [Sat 23:57:55] DictatorDuck: This market, how bad it is.
  301. [Sun 00:22:11] NotASomepony: Rip oldfag
  302. [Sun 00:35:26] DictatorDuck: I am no oldfag.
  303. [Sun 00:35:54] DictatorDuck: Only one of your nations left...
  304. [Sun 00:36:07] Honeycomb: wow, someone's full of himself
  305. [Sun 00:36:17] Honeycomb: he's talkin' bout loft gardens
  306. [Sun 00:39:15] DictatorDuck: Oh yea, Loft died too. Everyone's blowing up nowadays.
  307. [Sun 00:40:01] DictatorDuck: I need to get an alert script like the oldfags.
  308. [Sun 00:42:37] DictatorDuck: Now to sleep before an uneventful tomorrow....
  309. [Sun 01:02:58] Keymaster: I'm sorry that I actually keep my promises to people.
  310. [Sun 01:08:40] Honeycomb: Well, at least you're sorry.
  311. [Sun 01:10:50] Keymaster: I'm not sure if that's genuine or if being mocked^^ but either way, if ya'll want cheaper sugar, i'm trying to sell cheaper.
  312. [Sun 02:16:20] Schatten: Key, it doesn't matter what you promised, unfortunately. You aren't allowed to give away your last nation.
  313. [Sun 09:28:18] DictatorDuck: Someone ought to take that nation from him.
  314. [Sun 10:05:21] Incarnum: There is a difference between "taking" and "giving" tho :V I think that the Admin will figure this out and stuff tho.
  315. [Sun 10:21:13] Incarnum: That moment, when you try to use Messages to send yourself a number to save and it says "Just use a paper or something."
  316. [Sun 11:27:09] DictatorDuck: So much quiet, it'd be nice if there were a war or something.
  317. [Sun 11:29:17] Keymaster: Yeah, and you guys attacking Nicole don't fucking help matters -_-
  318. [Sun 11:29:54] Keymaster: If yall wanted an oil nation, go attack thk or myrami or some other newb God damn it.
  319. [Sun 11:31:02] Keymaster: Duck, why are you attacking?
  320. [Sun 11:33:42] Keymaster: Honey, why are you attacking?
  321. [Sun 11:45:45] DictatorDuck: I do what must be done! I must deliver what badmin can't! Justice will prevail!
  322. [Sun 11:46:42] Keymaster: And myrami will definitely kick your ass. Just saying.
  323. [Sun 11:49:06] Honeycomb: this was some really illegal shit, and the way you carry yourself so nonchalantly about it is remarkable.
  324. [Sun 11:50:08] Keymaster: I'm not always a hot-headed freak. As it stands, you are all trying to get your hands on the MOST over-powered saddle ever.
  325. [Sun 11:51:14] Keymaster: And since I'm actually pretty tired on how no one accepts the fact that I do what I can to keep my word and help others, I'm on the verge of quitting so hard.
  326. [Sun 11:54:39] Honeycomb: I'm always on the verge of quitting...
  327. [Sun 11:55:20] DictatorDuck: ^ It hurts to have hard work blow up.
  328. [Sun 11:57:03] DictatorDuck: Regardless, the rules have to be enforced, even if it is by the players. The return of nation building is the last thing this game needs.
  329. [Sun 11:58:46] Honeycomb: I actually think the rule against nation-building should be struck, as it gives a niche for low-effort players and makes the balance of power more dynamic, also the rule is hard to enforce in ambiguous cases
  330. [Sun 11:59:50] DictatorDuck: It'd take away newbie preying too.
  331. [Sun 12:02:13] Honeycomb: so I have no problem in principle with this, it's just that it's so illegal, maybe if we can administer vigilante "justice" admin won't have any reason to get involved, since I'm sure he doesn't even a little bit want to ban either of you
  332. [Sun 12:10:17] Keymaster: If he's not going to ban us, then he's going to lose two long standing players. Your actions determine this guy's ^^
  333. [Sun 12:13:55] DictatorDuck: By acting, admin doesn'
  334. [Sun 12:13:58] DictatorDuck: t have to
  335. [Sun 12:31:44] Schatten: If he DOES ban you, he'll lose two long standing players.
  336. [Sun 12:33:17] Schatten: And again, I respect you trying to keep your word, but the way you're trying to do it is forbidden. And since no one wants you banned, this might be a good solution to this, actually...
  337. [Sun 12:39:55] Keymaster: Sorry, but by attacking Nicole, you'll lose her and me.
  338. [Sun 12:43:04] Incarnum: Schatten do you need extra cheap ol?
  339. [Sun 12:43:13] Incarnum: And you broke the rule keymaster, just deal with it :V
  340. [Sun 12:45:46] Keymaster: I am xD
  341. [Sun 12:48:01] Incarnum: Then accept the fact that people want justice and war is part of the game? XD
  342. [Sun 12:52:44] Myrami: Keymaster, let this be a lesson to you. Don't make any promises you can't keep.
  343. [Sun 12:55:00] Keymaster: But ... I did keep it though. You all just decided to get involved.
  344. [Sun 13:05:04] Honeycomb: what you all didn't realize, is our true motives in all of this... bwahahaha...
  345. [Sun 13:05:13] Honeycomb: This attack on Nicole...
  346. [Sun 13:05:19] Honeycomb: It's a charity drive!
  347. [Sun 13:05:37] Honeycomb: If you like what we're doing, send your support to Fluttershi! MAKE LOFT GARDENS GREAT AGAIN!
  348. [Sun 13:10:46] Keymaster: And the market will still be shit^^
  349. [Sun 14:14:41] Schatten: You couldn't keep your promise from within the rules. You decided you'd stretch them. That Duck would be successful in drumming up a crusade is surprising, but I guess >CLOP is starting to police itself again.^^
  350. [Sun 14:15:33] Schatten: Which, on a meta level, is a good sign. Activity. Drama. The legendary lifeblood of >CLOP, rediscovered.^^
  351. [Sun 14:16:58] Keymaster: but without players, there's no drama^^
  352. [Sun 14:21:44] Incarnum: I am just thinking, what will happen to the market if a full sized war breaks out? Starvation to the nations who have no support from the outside and market being completely dry for starter nations only being fueled by other starter nations (And FFA)?
  353. [Sun 14:32:23] DictatorDuck: This war should stay isolated.
  354. [Sun 14:35:58] Schatten: Drama causes players to get more interested. If players leave because of it, that's not the drama's fault. Ideally, people still stay around and participate. It'd be sad to see you go.
  355. [Sun 14:44:43] Incarnum: Drama action and bloodshed!
  356. [Sun 14:45:11] NotASomepony: so much drama for a text-horse nation gaim
  357. [Sun 14:46:52] Keymaster: It's kinda hard for players to stick around for drama when there's no players to tell other players about it
  358. [Sun 14:47:58] Incarnum: I dont understand why Keymaster is so upset. Its literally players rebeling against him breaking the rules xD
  359. [Sun 14:48:05] Schatten: Which is why this whole situation is a good one. There's attacking, and people are discussing it in chat, so other people know about it.
  360. [Sun 14:59:28] Keymaster: I'm not rebelling. I'm just surprised that, EVEN AFTER NICOLE TALKED TO THE ADMIN OVER A MONTH AGO ABOUT THIS, yall still thing I am breaking the rules.
  361. [Sun 15:00:08] Schatten: I didn't say you're rebelling.^^ Just discussing.
  362. [Sun 15:00:15] Keymaster: Why not feast upon the newbs in FFA? It's not like they're doing anything anyways
  363. [Sun 15:00:35] Schatten: And that admin knows about it is new for me. He didn't chime in, either. Nor did you post anything about it.
  364. [Sun 15:01:07] Incarnum: I said others are rebelling, and you never mentioned the admin part. "layers rebeling against him"
  365. [Sun 15:01:28] Keymaster: I thought I already brought that up earlier?? If not, there you go.
  366. [Sun 15:02:07] Keymaster: I probably said that only on Skype
  367. [Sun 15:02:41] Schatten: Fair enough. If admin gets here to tell us he's okay with it, that might just stop the attacks. Might. Then again, maybe admin WANTS the drama as well.
  368. [Sun 15:03:01] Honeycomb: From a game-theoretical perspective, being backed into a corner where you have nothing left to lose is the perfect time to start making up lies to gain support.
  369. [Sun 15:03:33] Incarnum: Lie extravagantly, that is part of the game xD
  370. [Sun 15:03:37] Honeycomb: I'd say pics or it didn't happen, but of course this conveniently happened over a month ago, so I'm sure the messages will have been lost by now.
  371. [Sun 15:04:17] Schatten: That's why I said admin could chime in. He can affirm, or deny. Without him, nothing really will change.
  372. [Sun 15:04:44] Schatten: Although, for the record, I belive Key.
  373. [Sun 15:05:13] Schatten: Or rather, I believe that Nicky would talk this out with admin beforehand.
  374. [Sun 15:14:11] Myrami: All the players who are sending troops under the pretense of enforcing rules are just looking for an excuse to conquer some nations.
  375. [Sun 15:14:18] Myrami: Keep telling yourselves that you're the good guys. I know I did this during every war I fought. :P
  376. [Sun 15:20:15] Schatten: Well, that too.
  377. [Sun 15:20:18] Schatten: ^^
  378. [Sun 15:22:29] Honeycomb: Hah, yeah. Dictator's a little more up front about it than I am, but any excuse for a land grab is a good excuse.
  379. [Sun 15:23:25] Honeycomb: ...I-I mean, w-whaaat? This is about the rule of law! Without laws, you don't have a game! We're upholding fundamental principles here!
  380. [Sun 15:30:47] Incarnum: FOK DA POLICE! PONIES TO ARMS! *throws paper balls at Honeycomb*
  381. [Sun 15:37:10] Incarnum: Is it just me, or is this war thing hurting me slightly? XD 2016-02-13 16:21:32 Is the (server) time of my last oil sell. Thats almost full 12 ticks! (It will be 12 in 20 minutes)
  382. [Sun 15:37:32] Incarnum: Though I'm not runing starving.
  383. [Sun 16:08:04] Incarnum: Aaaaand its official, 24 hours with out income from the market!
  384. [Sun 16:58:49] Incarnum: That moment when you reached the market cap xD
  385. [Sun 17:30:29] NotASomepony: What a great valentines day on >CLOP ^^
  386. [Sun 17:33:36] Incarnum: Admin i found a bug. When you revert from independance to democracy you must lose 2k satisfaction. I lost only 1k.
  387. [Sun 18:01:33] Admin: Fixing now.
  388. [Sun 18:01:38] Admin: I just scrolled up and read all this shit.
  389. [Sun 18:01:56] Admin: You are not allowed to say, to anyone, ever, "you may have my last nation"
  390. [Sun 18:03:10] Admin: Keymaster's nationless so it looks like the problem did in fact get solved by the players
  391. [Sun 18:03:50] Schatten: Huh? That was the thing though: Nicky having taken his nation.
  392. [Sun 18:04:23] Schatten: It wasn't about him saying he'd do, but that he did.
  393. [Sun 18:05:33] Schatten: Oh wait, you mean Nss4fun? What a shame... :(
  394. [Sun 18:05:56] Admin: okay yeah I'm a bit confused
  395. [Sun 18:06:06] Admin: keymaster made an agreement for someone to get his last nation
  396. [Sun 18:06:10] Admin: that's really not allowed
  397. [Sun 18:06:40] Admin: and of course I can't prove that the people taking the nations NOW didn't have a hand in this and this isn't some big-ass conspiracy to trick me
  398. [Sun 18:06:52] Admin: but that's the way the pony clops
  399. [Sun 18:07:05] Schatten: Heh.^^
  400. [Sun 18:07:35] Admin: also I think I need to trim down my script or some shit because chat's becoming hard to read
  401. [Sun 18:07:53] Schatten: Well, seems like they ragequit. It's sad to see two more oldfags go...
  402. [Sun 18:13:34] Admin shrugs
  403. [Sun 18:14:06] Incarnum: The chat has troubles loading
  404. [Sun 18:14:07] Admin: Invite. New. Players. And welcome the ones you get (rather than treating them as farms)
  405. [Sun 18:14:14] Admin: Incarnum: I know. Working on it now
  406. [Sun 18:14:19] Incarnum: Thankies!
  407. [Sun 18:14:24] Incarnum: I thoguht its just my lack of ram XD
  408. [Sun 18:14:27] Admin: There's just too much script working on too many messages
  409. [Sun 18:14:27] Incarnum: I was worried for a moment.
  410. [Sun 18:14:37] Incarnum: I'll dial down the spam then. o3o
  411. [Sun 18:14:54] Incarnum: (Oh and remove 1k sat from me, because of that bug with sat)
  412. [Sun 18:15:12] Admin: you reported it so I won't for you
  413. [Sun 18:15:19] Admin: I'm fixing that one too
  414. [Sun 18:15:26] Incarnum: *shrug* Its just 500 cupcakes XD
  415. [Sun 18:15:34] Admin: see the problem, will test shortly
  416. [Sun 18:15:59] Incarnum: I think you of all people could "make" yourself a nation to test that and instantly remove it XD
  417. [Sun 18:16:45] Admin: I have a test server for this shit
  418. [Sun 18:16:52] Admin: going to do a quick fix for the chat first
  419. [Sun 18:17:01] Incarnum: test.clop.us ?
  420. [Sun 18:17:14] Incarnum: or momentum.cc? XD
  421. [Sun 18:17:23] Incarnum: I once got redirected to momentum.cc for some reason
  422. [Sun 18:17:37] Admin: what?
  423. [Sun 18:17:42] Admin: test.clop.us is not a valid url
  424. [Sun 18:17:49] Incarnum: *shrug*
  425. [Sun 18:17:51] Incarnum: was a wild guess
  426. [Sun 18:18:04] Admin: it's actually /testclop/
  427. [Sun 18:18:06] Incarnum: Usually people who hold sites use the same site with test. before the initial url instead of www
  428. [Sun 18:18:08] Incarnum: XD
  429. [Sun 18:18:41] Incarnum: Well, the people i know anyways! And momentum.cc is your site too. But it has some sort of google security issue.
  430. [Sun 18:18:43] Admin tests a chat JS on the live server
  431. [Sun 18:18:49] Admin: no it's not my site
  432. [Sun 18:18:55] Admin: it's on my host's server
  433. [Sun 18:18:56] Incarnum: But its clop
  434. [Sun 18:19:00] Incarnum: with my account
  435. [Sun 18:19:05] Incarnum: Ohhh
  436. [Sun 18:19:08] Incarnum: I get it now
  437. [Sun 18:19:12] Incarnum: So clop.us is a mask?
  438. [Sun 18:19:19] Incarnum: momentum.cc is the actual URL?
  439. [Sun 18:19:32] Admin sighs
  440. [Sun 18:19:35] Admin: No
  441. [Sun 18:19:41] Incarnum: I dont know how this shit works XD
  442. [Sun 18:19:42] Admin: momentum.cc has absolutely nothing to do with me
  443. [Sun 18:19:49] Admin: where the fuck did you even get momentum.cc from
  444. [Sun 18:20:20] Incarnum: here
  445. [Sun 18:20:28] Admin: you said you got redirected? HOW?
  446. [Sun 18:20:30] Incarnum: http://puu.sh/n8d13.png
  447. [Sun 18:20:34] Admin: has this happened to anyone else?
  448. [Sun 18:20:34] Incarnum: I dont remember
  449. [Sun 18:20:38] Incarnum: I was googling >Clop
  450. [Sun 18:20:40] Incarnum: a friend invited me
  451. [Sun 18:20:44] Incarnum: and i got to that site somehow
  452. [Sun 18:20:56] Admin: What the FUCK?
  453. [Sun 18:21:01] Honeycomb: >big ass conspiracy to trick me
  454. [Sun 18:21:02] Incarnum: I dont know
  455. [Sun 18:21:10] Incarnum: but i can login there
  456. [Sun 18:21:15] Incarnum: with my actual account
  457. [Sun 18:21:20] Incarnum: and itll be the same
  458. [Sun 18:21:27] Incarnum: I thougt you knew about that shit XD
  459. [Sun 18:21:58] Incarnum: Also chat isn't lagigng anymore
  460. [Sun 18:22:19] Admin: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I see what's gone wrong
  461. [Sun 18:22:37] Admin: this host is shit when it comes to secure sites
  462. [Sun 18:22:50] Incarnum: Um .w.
  463. [Sun 18:22:52] Admin: if momentum.cc doesn't have its own secure site it can easily redirect TO ME
  464. [Sun 18:22:53] Incarnum: I do good? XD
  465. [Sun 18:22:59] Admin: like my site once did
  466. [Sun 18:23:17] Incarnum: Well, I hope that info helps! Somehow!
  467. [Sun 18:23:20] Admin: a while ago https://clop.us redirected to SOME OTHER site before I set up a self-signed cert
  468. [Sun 18:23:21] Incarnum: I dont think its bad that you know XD
  469. [Sun 18:23:29] Admin: it does help, it does indeed
  470. [Sun 18:23:29] Incarnum: Ohhhh
  471. [Sun 18:23:34] Incarnum: Yay!
  472. [Sun 18:23:38] Incarnum: Mu nosy shit helps!
  473. [Sun 18:23:41] Incarnum: my*
  474. [Sun 18:23:57] Incarnum: Glad I could be of service? XD
  475. [Sun 18:24:11] Admin: yes thank you :D
  476. [Sun 18:24:14] Admin: I need to talk to my host
  477. [Sun 18:24:23] Admin: but first I need to do the fix for independence -> democracy
  478. [Sun 18:24:52] Admin: also yeah I fixed the chat by removing some useless testing to see if something was there before doing find/replace
  479. [Sun 18:24:53] Incarnum: Oh i had a question to you or any player who can answer
  480. [Sun 18:24:57] Admin: test
  481. [Sun 18:25:03] herrHilter: okay, so i've been missing out on a lot of drama... Nicole and Keymaster imploded? Suicide?
  482. [Sun 18:25:09] Incarnum: Whats the formula of how much stuff i can place on market?
  483. [Sun 18:25:28] Honeycomb: Nicole burned her nations to keep me and Duck from getting them.
  484. [Sun 18:25:33] Incarnum: lol
  485. [Sun 18:25:48] herrHilter: Lol pretty sure that isn't allowed?
  486. [Sun 18:26:07] Incarnum: Exactly
  487. [Sun 18:26:09] Incarnum: thats rule #4
  488. [Sun 18:26:13] Incarnum: i just looked it up :o
  489. [Sun 18:26:15] Admin: It's not
  490. [Sun 18:26:35] Honeycomb: It's not. And our attack was prompted by Keymaster giving Nicole his nation, which is also not allowed.
  491. [Sun 18:26:41] Admin: but seeing as how those nations were only being attacked because they violated rule 4 in a different way
  492. [Sun 18:26:42] herrHilter: too bad we lost keymaster's old nation then... i poured some resources into getting that built :(
  493. [Sun 18:26:47] Admin: I'm gonna call this whole thing a push
  494. [Sun 18:27:04] Incarnum: Basically
  495. [Sun 18:27:07] Incarnum: The problem solved itself
  496. [Sun 18:27:13] Incarnum: The nation was transfered unfair
  497. [Sun 18:27:15] Incarnum: And was exploded
  498. [Sun 18:27:23] herrHilter: I guess vigilante justice prevails once again :p
  499. [Sun 18:27:23] DictatorDuck: The rulebreaking was more of an excuse to attack.
  500. [Sun 18:27:24] Incarnum: So, all tip top?
  501. [Sun 18:27:35] Honeycomb: Only thing that changed is Duck lost Grypha, from forgetting to disable production.
  502. [Sun 18:27:47] Incarnum: *slowly claps*
  503. [Sun 18:27:50] Incarnum: Though
  504. [Sun 18:27:55] Incarnum: THat was my only competition in the oil market
  505. [Sun 18:28:14] Incarnum: Myrami lets me sell and doesn't outbid me XD
  506. [Sun 18:28:28] Incarnum: for now anyways
  507. [Sun 18:28:43] herrHilter: inb4 Oil monopoly, oil prices soar and nations without stockpile collapse left and right
  508. [Sun 18:28:48] Incarnum: Wait, dictator is still there
  509. [Sun 18:28:49] Incarnum: Damn.
  510. [Sun 18:29:00] Incarnum: It was like that with sugar
  511. [Sun 18:29:03] Incarnum: WHen sugar was 24k a tick
  512. [Sun 18:29:08] Incarnum: I was almost destroyed 3 times
  513. [Sun 18:29:11] Incarnum: in 1 week
  514. [Sun 18:29:20] Incarnum: Thats where I swapped aliances xD
  515. [Sun 18:29:27] Incarnum: from FFA to FC
  516. [Sun 18:29:27] herrHilter: i know, you bought loads of my coffee i believe
  517. [Sun 18:29:33] Incarnum: mhm
  518. [Sun 18:29:35] Incarnum: First it was coffe
  519. [Sun 18:29:37] Incarnum: then sugar twice
  520. [Sun 18:29:45] Incarnum: i killed off my malls so.
  521. [Sun 18:29:58] Incarnum: Im going to be oil production instead of GDP oiiented nation for now
  522. [Sun 18:30:07] herrHilter: there aren't many of us left now, so in cases of emergency asking chat is a viable option
  523. [Sun 18:30:17] Incarnum: Though being first place in GDP and funding bits to the market felt nice
  524. [Sun 18:30:22] Incarnum: but the inflation from that killed me xD
  525. [Sun 18:30:31] Incarnum: People got greedy
  526. [Sun 18:30:34] Incarnum: HIghered the prices
  527. [Sun 18:30:36] herrHilter: i know, that's what i'm experiencing right now ^^
  528. [Sun 18:30:40] DictatorDuck: So... do I get a nation Admin?
  529. [Sun 18:30:52] Incarnum: if you need oil i can get you some for a cheap price
  530. [Sun 18:31:00] Incarnum: my stocks are suffering inflation xD
  531. [Sun 18:31:01] herrHilter: why would you get a nation?
  532. [Sun 18:31:09] Admin: you sploded your own nation, you get nothing, you lose, good day sir
  533. [Sun 18:31:23] Incarnum: xD
  534. [Sun 18:31:26] Admin: ^.^
  535. [Sun 18:31:33] Incarnum: That phrase was amazing
  536. [Sun 18:31:34] herrHilter: ouch...
  537. [Sun 18:31:38] DictatorDuck: but they blew up with an army attacking
  538. [Sun 18:31:39] Incarnum: YOU LOSE SIR!
  539. [Sun 18:32:02] Admin: you're responsible for taking care of your own shit
  540. [Sun 18:32:07] DictatorDuck: Oi, I still have an army with nothing to do.
  541. [Sun 18:32:09] Admin: sorry man
  542. [Sun 18:32:13] herrHilter: the armies our alliance made were also sent in vain, you don't hear us complain?
  543. [Sun 18:32:24] Honeycomb: Also, Duck's target was Borg Storm, which wasn't nation-built. So he has a better claim to getting compensation than I do.
  544. [Sun 18:32:28] Admin: I know this game is harsh
  545. [Sun 18:32:34] Admin: But it's designed to make you all band together
  546. [Sun 18:32:44] Admin: Which it seems to have done, fucking finally
  547. [Sun 18:32:53] DictatorDuck: Regardless of my sploded nation, they blew up with an army attacking. What makes this case any different?
  548. [Sun 18:32:53] Incarnum: xD
  549. [Sun 18:33:09] herrHilter: >Clop is just one huge, long term social experiment
  550. [Sun 18:33:15] Incarnum: Admin just for the
  551. [Sun 18:33:20] Incarnum: Is it possible
  552. [Sun 18:33:25] Incarnum: To attack AND defend a nation?
  553. [Sun 18:33:26] Admin: Actually, that IS a valid thing - for you to get the target nation of someone who broke rule 4 by ragequitting
  554. [Sun 18:33:35] Admin: Incarnum: No. There's code to prevent it.
  555. [Sun 18:33:42] Incarnum: Aw.
  556. [Sun 18:33:45] Incarnum: That'd be op
  557. [Sun 18:33:48] Incarnum: Leveling up your army
  558. [Sun 18:33:50] Incarnum: Every battle tick
  559. [Sun 18:33:53] Incarnum: Instead of midnight
  560. [Sun 18:34:03] Incarnum: Send a force you want to level up, vs a 1 size army
  561. [Sun 18:34:16] Incarnum: The one to level up is to be defense
  562. [Sun 18:34:19] DictatorDuck: not really since every built up nation has 20 barracks
  563. [Sun 18:34:23] Incarnum: Hm...
  564. [Sun 18:34:29] Incarnum: Not me Q.Q
  565. [Sun 18:34:34] Admin: yeah leveling up doesn't work that way
  566. [Sun 18:34:36] Incarnum: I bet i could.
  567. [Sun 18:34:42] Incarnum: Isn't it every battle tick
  568. [Sun 18:34:45] Incarnum: and every midnight?
  569. [Sun 18:34:50] Admin: anyway duck were you the biggest attacker, or the only attacker, of Borg Storm?
  570. [Sun 18:35:01] Admin: do you know if ANYONE else was attacking? this is important
  571. [Sun 18:35:05] Incarnum: He was the biggest. I think.
  572. [Sun 18:35:09] Incarnum: I think myrami atatcked
  573. [Sun 18:35:15] DictatorDuck: only attacker that I know of
  574. [Sun 18:35:19] Incarnum: Myrami mentioned it in notes
  575. [Sun 18:35:31] Admin: What did you attack with?
  576. [Sun 18:35:34] herrHilter: wow, how many people were involved in these vigilante actions?
  577. [Sun 18:35:38] Incarnum: Oh no
  578. [Sun 18:35:39] DictatorDuck: Nss specifically messaged me begging for mercy
  579. [Sun 18:35:43] Incarnum: Myrami attacked Lisa
  580. [Sun 18:35:47] Incarnum: " By the way, if you want to make some war, send some troops to Limsa Lominsa (http://clop.us/viewnation.php?nation_id=725). Apparently there are quite a few players who are attacking that nation at the moment. It would be nice if our alliance could get i
  581. [Sun 18:36:06] Incarnum: But we didn't
  582. [Sun 18:36:08] Incarnum: Since it exploded
  583. [Sun 18:36:09] Admin: Okay, then, Duck: You get a North Burrozil.
  584. [Sun 18:36:18] DictatorDuck: yay!
  585. [Sun 18:36:19] Incarnum: Lucky xD
  586. [Sun 18:36:22] Admin: Because that's what it was.
  587. [Sun 18:36:25] Honeycomb: I had 3200 going to Limsa Lominsa. Duck had 3500 going to Borg Storm.
  588. [Sun 18:36:43] Honeycomb: And he also had 700 going to Limsa.
  589. [Sun 18:37:22] Admin: Hmm
  590. [Sun 18:37:35] Admin: yeah even those the nations were built...
  591. [Sun 18:37:43] vinylsnapz: i was going to send 2700 too, i was sending it to a another burro first ;~;
  592. [Sun 18:38:03] Honeycomb: like I say I do think Duck has a stronger case than I do for compensation, since it was nation-built and all
  593. [Sun 18:38:15] Honeycomb: plus maybe there was a larger attacker
  594. [Sun 18:38:17] Incarnum: Agreed.
  595. [Sun 18:38:25] Incarnum: Limsa was cheated and should not be refunded!
  596. [Sun 18:38:25] Admin: Was anyone attacking Keymaster's nation? Or did Keymaster blow it up before age 21
  597. [Sun 18:38:41] DictatorDuck: I was focusing on Borg Storm, my other army was to support Honeycomb
  598. [Sun 18:38:45] herrHilter: Yeah the people in CCCP were not happy when we learned we helped Keymaster build a nation he just gave away
  599. [Sun 18:38:55] Honeycomb: You mean Grrrrrrrk? That's like a day old.
  600. [Sun 18:38:59] Incarnum: It was before 21
  601. [Sun 18:39:07] Admin: yeah Honeycomb that's what I thought
  602. [Sun 18:39:16] Admin: so there's two nations here: the built one, and the unbuilt one
  603. [Sun 18:39:22] Admin: gonna compensate Dictator for the unbuilt one
  604. [Sun 18:39:23] Incarnum: Its not in the graveyard -> its not 21
  605. [Sun 18:39:29] Admin: graveyard is a month
  606. [Sun 18:39:37] Incarnum: Oh right.
  607. [Sun 18:39:39] Incarnum: Thats not the same
  608. [Sun 18:40:36] Incarnum: 39... I feel like a total noob xD (that i am)
  609. [Sun 18:42:17] Incarnum: I'll ask again. Is there a formula of how much stuff i can place on market?
  610. [Sun 18:42:41] Admin: in the seller's market? no
  611. [Sun 18:42:46] Admin: the buyer's market does have a formula yes
  612. [Sun 18:42:56] Incarnum: Whats the buyers then?
  613. [Sun 18:42:58] Admin: forget what it is, it's pretty big
  614. [Sun 18:43:04] Incarnum: XD
  615. [Sun 18:43:23] Incarnum: Since buyers usually used for 1k items i can pretty much put up so much, that inflation will kill the resource before i will be not allowed to buy? XD
  616. [Sun 18:43:50] Admin: 200 million + (the sum of your current funds divided by 10)
  617. [Sun 18:43:56] Incarnum: and i noticed my sellers grew from 50088 to 50101 from last tick.
  618. [Sun 18:44:08] Admin: like if you have a billion bits you can put 300 million on the buyer's market
  619. [Sun 18:44:15] Incarnum: Ah.
  620. [Sun 18:44:18] Incarnum: Okies.
  621. [Sun 18:44:25] Honeycomb: I'm getting 55622 and I have 562.2 M bits
  622. [Sun 18:44:30] Incarnum: So its not GDP related?
  623. [Sun 18:44:46] Admin: No, it's WEALTH related
  624. [Sun 18:44:48] Incarnum: but the bits themselves?
  625. [Sun 18:44:50] Admin: Sorry, my head's being silly
  626. [Sun 18:44:53] Incarnum: Kay!
  627. [Sun 18:44:58] Admin: Of course there's a seller's market formula
  628. [Sun 18:45:01] Incarnum: Nono- that makes total sense.
  629. [Sun 18:45:06] Incarnum: And its complicated, isn't it?
  630. [Sun 18:45:18] Admin: 50000 + (Your total funds / 100000)
  631. [Sun 18:45:21] Admin: for each item
  632. [Sun 18:45:31] Admin: is how much of one thing you can stick on the seller's market
  633. [Sun 18:45:44] Admin: These numbers are for resources btw
  634. [Sun 18:45:49] Admin: weapons and armor are slightly different
  635. [Sun 18:45:51] Incarnum: Ah. So more GDP (SInce I'll have more bits next tick) = more items illl be able to sell next tick.
  636. [Sun 18:46:01] Incarnum: i bet its like
  637. [Sun 18:46:05] Incarnum: 500 and 2000
  638. [Sun 18:46:06] Admin: Well, yeah. But it's TOTAL BITS you have.
  639. [Sun 18:46:10] Incarnum: for sellers buyers
  640. [Sun 18:46:11] Admin: weapons and armor are the same
  641. [Sun 18:46:15] Admin: and it's way higher
  642. [Sun 18:46:22] Incarnum: Oh higher? XD
  643. [Sun 18:46:23] Admin: err not higher than resources
  644. [Sun 18:46:38] Admin: the numbers on seller's market are 10000 and 200000
  645. [Sun 18:46:55] Admin: buyer's, 100M + funds/10
  646. [Sun 18:47:04] Admin: so somewhat smaller than resources but not a lot
  647. [Sun 18:47:12] Admin: never heard of anyone hitting these caps so it doesn't matter
  648. [Sun 18:47:19] Incarnum: ON weapons?
  649. [Sun 18:47:24] Incarnum: Does anyone even use it
  650. [Sun 18:47:29] Incarnum: beyond emergency trade in aliance
  651. [Sun 18:47:30] Admin: yeah
  652. [Sun 18:47:34] Admin: ^
  653. [Sun 18:47:46] Incarnum: thats the only way i used mine XD
  654. [Sun 18:47:51] Incarnum: 3 damn times XD
  655. [Sun 18:47:58] Incarnum: but heck i made it! :D
  656. [Sun 18:48:16] Incarnum: The last time, I was a sure gonner if not for schatten who gave me help the last possible tick.
  657. [Sun 18:48:51] Admin: Duck, you're a Client so of course your new nation is a Client
  658. [Sun 18:49:04] Incarnum: Oh and admin or anyone who uses client.
  659. [Sun 18:49:09] Incarnum: Is it even smart to use it?
  660. [Sun 18:49:17] Incarnum: I for one see no use in it, since im not interested in superpowers
  661. [Sun 18:49:25] Admin: Somewhat. It's low-maintenance.
  662. [Sun 18:49:31] Incarnum: i used oil to get myself the sat with them.
  663. [Sun 18:49:34] Admin: It's actualy FOR people who don't want to worry about superpowers.
  664. [Sun 18:49:43] Admin: *actually
  665. [Sun 18:49:49] Incarnum: I dont worry lol
  666. [Sun 18:50:00] Incarnum: My super powers are on +0 at all times
  667. [Sun 18:50:05] Incarnum: with minimal sun worship centers
  668. [Sun 18:50:14] Admin: That's the right way to do it
  669. [Sun 18:50:36] Incarnum: I just used oil - bought all 10 fascilities - drugs
  670. [Sun 18:50:44] Admin: Wise
  671. [Sun 18:50:48] Admin: Seriously, that was SMART
  672. [Sun 18:50:48] DictatorDuck: Lunar client is very viable!
  673. [Sun 18:51:10] Incarnum: That sounds like sarcasm when you put it like that admin xD
  674. [Sun 18:51:15] Admin: it's not sarcasm
  675. [Sun 18:51:17] Admin: really
  676. [Sun 18:51:24] Incarnum: Also I'll laugh if one of the noobs is secretly admin
  677. [Sun 18:51:25] Admin: that's the right way to do it because you're solving problems before they start
  678. [Sun 18:51:28] Incarnum: to see how much we bully them...
  679. [Sun 18:51:29] Admin shakes his head
  680. [Sun 18:51:40] Admin: I've never smurfed my own game. Although I've thought about it, I won't
  681. [Sun 18:51:42] Incarnum: XD
  682. [Sun 18:51:52] Incarnum: You of all people
  683. [Sun 18:51:54] Incarnum: can easilly do it
  684. [Sun 18:51:56] Incarnum: And not get busted
  685. [Sun 18:51:59] Incarnum: since IP
  686. [Sun 18:52:01] Admin: I COULD, but again - I won't
  687. [Sun 18:52:03] Incarnum: Only you see it
  688. [Sun 18:52:19] Honeycomb: Wasn't "Myra is Admin" a meme some time ago?
  689. [Sun 18:52:23] Admin: Of course I'd follow the rules if I did, I don't consider this account a player account since I DON'T INTERACT with the market
  690. [Sun 18:52:25] Admin: lol
  691. [Sun 18:52:39] Admin: I literally cheat in all my shit on this account
  692. [Sun 18:52:39] Incarnum: You of all people
  693. [Sun 18:52:46] Incarnum: are allowed to use anything
  694. [Sun 18:52:54] Incarnum: As long as you dont shit the market XD
  695. [Sun 18:52:57] Admin: :D
  696. [Sun 18:53:01] Incarnum: THat will just ruin it for your players
  697. [Sun 18:53:04] Incarnum: and you dont want that
  698. [Sun 18:53:08] Incarnum: coz you're nice
  699. [Sun 18:53:17] Admin: I mean I don't interact with the market to the point that I accidentally bought 1 coffee from it thinking I was on the test server
  700. [Sun 18:53:30] Incarnum: OMG
  701. [Sun 18:53:31] Incarnum: REPORTED
  702. [Sun 18:53:32] Admin: and I sold that 1 coffee at the same price immediately
  703. [Sun 18:53:34] Incarnum: HOW COULD YOu
  704. [Sun 18:53:42] Incarnum: what about the fee!?
  705. [Sun 18:53:45] Admin: and of course someone bought it because admincoffee lol
  706. [Sun 18:53:47] Incarnum: did you think of the fee!?
  707. [Sun 18:54:02] Incarnum: I want some admincoffee...
  708. [Sun 18:54:07] Incarnum: i bet it tastes great
  709. [Sun 18:54:09] Admin: the buyer and seller both paid the same fee as they would have with a direct transaction :P
  710. [Sun 18:54:11] Incarnum: Place 1 piece of coffee
  711. [Sun 18:54:11] Honeycomb: Island of Admintopia NPC nations when?
  712. [Sun 18:54:14] Incarnum: for the bit cap+1
  713. [Sun 18:54:29] Incarnum: and have it there forever
  714. [Sun 18:54:29] Admin: the bit cap is actually an sql restriction iirc
  715. [Sun 18:54:30] Incarnum: XD
  716. [Sun 18:54:44] Incarnum: That said nothing to me .w.
  717. [Sun 18:54:45] Admin: it's really fucking stupidly high and of course I could make it higher
  718. [Sun 18:55:00] Admin: I forget what it even is
  719. [Sun 18:55:04] Incarnum: I meant like. You can edit the int of the sale
  720. [Sun 18:55:09] Incarnum: to make the price go beyond the bit cap
  721. [Sun 18:55:14] Incarnum: with our rasising the bit cap right?
  722. [Sun 18:55:28] Admin: I'm saying that I CAN'T because I'm pretty sure the bit cap is a function of the *data type*
  723. [Sun 18:55:40] Admin: it's been too long since I've messed with the guts enough to say for sure
  724. [Sun 18:55:41] Incarnum: Dont touch the bit cap!
  725. [Sun 18:55:48] Admin: I won't
  726. [Sun 18:55:50] Incarnum: Touch the value of the sale
  727. [Sun 18:55:55] Incarnum: for that 1 admin coffee
  728. [Sun 18:56:02] Admin: again: that's not possible
  729. [Sun 18:56:06] Incarnum: Ah
  730. [Sun 18:56:08] Incarnum: I wouldn't know XD
  731. [Sun 18:56:11] Incarnum: That would be funny
  732. [Sun 18:56:15] Admin: I'm saying it's determined *by the data type*
  733. [Sun 18:56:16] Incarnum: Admin coffee bitcap+1
  734. [Sun 18:56:19] Incarnum: You can't have it
  735. [Sun 18:56:41] Admin: like you're asking me to make a value within a 2^31 (although it's higher than that) space that's ABOVE 2.147whateveritis billion
  736. [Sun 18:56:55] Admin: can't be done, as in math
  737. [Sun 18:57:08] Incarnum: weltlhen
  738. [Sun 18:57:22] Incarnum: OH!
  739. [Sun 18:57:24] Admin refreshes the page after talking so much
  740. [Sun 18:57:26] Incarnum: Whats the bit inflation rate?
  741. [Sun 18:57:29] Admin: yeah I'm really glad I unfucked the chat.js
  742. [Sun 18:57:36] Admin: lemme check
  743. [Sun 18:57:43] Incarnum: it starts inflating after 10xGDP?
  744. [Sun 18:57:45] Admin: it doesn't work AT ALL on anything below 500M I'll start with that
  745. [Sun 18:57:49] Admin: no 500M is hardcoded
  746. [Sun 18:57:59] Incarnum: Yea
  747. [Sun 18:58:02] Honeycomb: it's a 500th of what you have over 500M bits.
  748. [Sun 18:58:04] Incarnum: I had 57million GDP
  749. [Sun 18:58:19] Incarnum: and it started to fall around 550million
  750. [Sun 18:58:20] Admin: What Honeycomb said.
  751. [Sun 18:58:30] Incarnum: oh
  752. [Sun 18:58:37] Incarnum: So.
  753. [Sun 18:58:52] Incarnum: x/500 (if over 500kk) x- your current bits?
  754. [Sun 18:58:55] Admin: Tax = (Your funds - 500000000) / 500
  755. [Sun 18:58:59] Incarnum: or
  756. [Sun 18:59:19] Admin: so if you have 500,000,001 bits... you get taxed 1 bit (because it rounds up)
  757. [Sun 18:59:20] Incarnum: (x-500kk)/500 if over 500k?
  758. [Sun 18:59:26] Incarnum: oh
  759. [Sun 18:59:28] Incarnum: okay i get it
  760. [Sun 18:59:36] Incarnum: the first one
  761. [Sun 19:00:08] Incarnum: wait. oh i
  762. [Sun 19:00:12] Incarnum: I'm stupid its the second one XD
  763. [Sun 19:00:19] Admin: it's like american tax brackets, you only get taxed the higher rate on what you made ABOVE that rate
  764. [Sun 19:00:25] Incarnum: Admin you're better at thiss explaining than I am at understanding
  765. [Sun 19:00:34] Admin: here, you don't get taxed anything about 500M and you get a flat tax on anything above it
  766. [Sun 19:00:38] Admin: *anything below 500M
  767. [Sun 19:00:49] Incarnum: so tax can't make me go bellow 500m
  768. [Sun 19:00:55] Incarnum: even if my GDP turns into 1
  769. [Sun 19:01:34] Admin: Correct
  770. [Sun 19:01:49] Incarnum: Okies. Makes sense.
  771. [Sun 19:01:56] Honeycomb: can I get a confirmation that I'm not getting compensation for Limsa, or is that still an open question?
  772. [Sun 19:02:20] Incarnum: It was nation built, so you're not (?) I think we discussed that above
  773. [Sun 19:02:20] Admin: You're not. It was nation built and the general consensus seems to be that it'd be a bad idea
  774. [Sun 19:02:35] Honeycomb: Okay, thank you.
  775. [Sun 19:02:43] Incarnum: ANYWAYS
  776. [Sun 19:02:50] Incarnum: The formula to how much i can have in my stoock is
  777. [Sun 19:03:02] Incarnum: 50k+1/1000th of my funds?
  778. [Sun 19:03:29] Incarnum: i had to send some sugar into sellers market because of loss xD
  779. [Sun 19:03:36] Admin: + 1/100,000th
  780. [Sun 19:03:47] Incarnum: oh i was 2 0's off XD
  781. [Sun 19:03:56] Incarnum: so 1 million = +10 space
  782. [Sun 19:04:20] Incarnum: Thats... what you just said. /)_-
  783. [Sun 19:04:46] Admin: yup
  784. [Sun 19:04:55] Incarnum: And the inflation is same as bits?
  785. [Sun 19:05:02] Incarnum: like 1/500 of above cap?
  786. [Sun 19:05:16] Admin: also honeycomb if you want to push the issue I think you might have a claim... this really isn't precedented
  787. [Sun 19:05:22] Admin: so I'm not really sure how to rule here
  788. [Sun 19:05:29] Admin: it's rule 4 getting fucked in half
  789. [Sun 19:05:34] Incarnum: Use a ruler.
  790. [Sun 19:05:36] Incarnum: Badumtss.
  791. [Sun 19:06:19] Admin: Yeah for resources it's (Resource total - 50K) / 500
  792. [Sun 19:06:39] Incarnum: oh
  793. [Sun 19:06:41] Incarnum: For resources
  794. [Sun 19:06:49] Incarnum: Does it include the extra space from my funds?
  795. [Sun 19:06:55] Honeycomb: Given that I have a few hundred troops on the way to Eps, who seems to have burned his buildings around age 20 and gone into autostasis from inactivity... I feel like I can live without Limsa.
  796. [Sun 19:07:00] Incarnum: so x-50010 if i have 1 million?
  797. [Sun 19:07:07] Honeycomb: But it would be an interesting legal argument if someone wanted to make it.
  798. [Sun 19:07:45] DictatorDuck: Regardless of how it was obtained, Honeycomb was attacking a nation that was then blown up. Not giving compensation gives an inconsistent precedent.
  799. [Sun 19:08:06] Incarnum: because THEORETICALLY. if i have extra 10k space, and it still counts from my 50k and not my total 60k 1/500 of 10k is pretty much big.
  800. [Sun 19:08:21] Admin: Actually, Honeycomb: I WILL give you the nation. Because it wasn't really NSS's - it was Keymaster's.
  801. [Sun 19:08:36] Admin: Central Saddle Arabia, it was.
  802. [Sun 19:08:50] Incarnum: Limsa will be alive? o3o Welp, perhaps Honeycomb may become a target now xD
  803. [Sun 19:08:56] DictatorDuck: I believe it was north actually
  804. [Sun 19:09:07] Incarnum: Let me check
  805. [Sun 19:09:12] Admin: DNA - Central Saddle Arabia
  806. [Sun 19:09:19] Incarnum: I can't XD
  807. [Sun 19:09:28] Admin: and incarnum
  808. [Sun 19:09:29] Incarnum: OH wait, yea, dna centers
  809. [Sun 19:09:33] Admin: funds don't matter for resource taxes
  810. [Sun 19:09:35] DictatorDuck: Oh, mine's the central one.
  811. [Sun 19:09:37] Admin: at all, I'm not even checking
  812. [Sun 19:09:41] Incarnum: xD
  813. [Sun 19:09:47] DictatorDuck: northern one...
  814. [Sun 19:09:49] Admin: dictator yours was the north burrozil
  815. [Sun 19:09:55] Incarnum: I was just curious! I'm not asking you to check
  816. [Sun 19:09:57] DictatorDuck: I know..
  817. [Sun 19:10:15] Honeycomb: I'd play devil's advocate here and argue against giving me the nation, but I feel like maybe I'd be better served to just shut my mouth...
  818. [Sun 19:10:16] Admin: no I mean my code isn't even checking for funds when doing resource taxes :P
  819. [Sun 19:10:52] Incarnum: Oh.
  820. [Sun 19:10:56] Incarnum: Then theoretically
  821. [Sun 19:11:12] Incarnum: It can push you to lose resources due to inflation, below your actual inflation cap
  822. [Sun 19:11:51] Admin: ...how's that?
  823. [Sun 19:12:04] Incarnum: If you have your cap at 60k (from the extra moneys)
  824. [Sun 19:12:10] Incarnum: and you exceed it by 1
  825. [Sun 19:12:19] Incarnum: You will lose 10001/500 per tick
  826. [Sun 19:12:22] Admin: but the cap has nothing to do with money
  827. [Sun 19:12:26] Incarnum: because you're exceeding the base 50k
  828. [Sun 19:12:32] Admin: you're conflating two different caps
  829. [Sun 19:12:35] Incarnum: I mean how much you can hold in your inventory
  830. [Sun 19:12:39] Admin: there's the SELLER'S MARKET CAP
  831. [Sun 19:12:42] Admin: and the INFLATION CAP
  832. [Sun 19:12:45] Incarnum: is 50k+1/100,000
  833. [Sun 19:12:49] Incarnum: Oh .3.
  834. [Sun 19:13:07] Incarnum: how much of a resource can you have in your nation then?
  835. [Sun 19:13:51] Admin: inflation on resources is (total - 50k) / 500, like I said
  836. [Sun 19:14:01] Admin: "how much of a resource" - there is no hard cap
  837. [Sun 19:14:20] Admin: nor on bits really, beyond whatever the hell the datatype limit is
  838. [Sun 19:14:36] Admin: which is so stupidly high that no one is going to reach it
  839. [Sun 19:14:59] Incarnum: I see.
  840. [Sun 19:15:07] Incarnum: So the only bit including capacity are the markets
  841. [Sun 19:15:17] Incarnum: not the actual resource you can have in your inventory (before the tax starts)
  842. [Sun 19:15:27] Admin: yup
  843. [Sun 19:16:06] Admin: oh and honeycomb you were compensated for keymaster's nation
  844. [Sun 19:16:19] Admin: but you know that, having renamed it :D
  845. [Sun 19:17:06] Honeycomb: hah yeah I... wasn't expecting that, thank you.
  846. [Sun 19:18:06] Incarnum: Well, everypony is happy!
  847. [Sun 19:18:09] Incarnum: Kinda.
  848. [Sun 19:18:14] Incarnum: Its sad we lost 2 people,
  849. [Sun 19:18:19] Admin: it really is
  850. [Sun 19:18:25] Admin: but they KNEW what they were doing was cheating
  851. [Sun 19:18:39] Admin: also honeycomb I saw your arguments above about nation building
  852. [Sun 19:18:44] Admin: but I do NOT want to go back to those bad old days
  853. [Sun 19:18:56] Admin: new players were practically EXPECTED to nation build
  854. [Sun 19:19:02] Admin: instead of playing the game for themselves
  855. [Sun 19:19:04] Admin: it was bullshit
  856. [Sun 19:19:08] Honeycomb: That's understandable.
  857. [Sun 19:19:32] Honeycomb: I do remember feeling very comfy when I built nations. Kind of like spectating on TF2. It was fun for me as a newb.
  858. [Sun 19:19:45] Honeycomb: That's just me though.
  859. [Sun 19:19:52] DictatorDuck: You tf2?
  860. [Sun 19:20:28] Honeycomb: uh... I used to, in college. Which, because I get obsessed with things too easily, contributed to my dropping out. Which is why now I use a chromebook.
  861. [Sun 19:20:47] Incarnum: xD
  862. [Sun 19:20:51] Incarnum: Sad pony
  863. [Sun 19:21:36] DictatorDuck: ouch... you have to use a Chromebook
  864. [Sun 19:22:21] Honeycomb: I love this thing. It has everything I need and nothing that will ruin my life.
  865. [Sun 19:22:49] Incarnum: HONEYCOMB SAVE ME
  866. [Sun 19:22:56] Incarnum: I may just fail my last year of college
  867. [Sun 19:22:58] Incarnum: second time around
  868. [Sun 19:23:10] Incarnum: Firs time i missed my diploma project (because of hospitalization)
  869. [Sun 19:23:22] Incarnum: So i ahve to redo it this year.But its due in 1 month and i haven't started XD
  870. [Sun 19:23:32] Incarnum: How does one stop video game addiction!?
  871. [Sun 19:23:41] Honeycomb: Lift.
  872. [Sun 19:24:20] Incarnum: Lift?
  873. [Sun 19:26:05] Incarnum: Eh, tempted to make an oil sale for 2 reasons. A) My main competition is gone. B) I reached the cap I can place on market XD
  874. [Sun 19:34:03] Incarnum: Since sugar prices promise to stay stable for a while, I think I"ll go back to being a GDP nation once more. But at a smaller growth rate. Perhaps giving the world some funds will help it grow.
  875. [Sun 19:35:42] Incarnum: Aaaaaaaaaaaaand nope. Coppers still a bitch XD
  876. [Sun 19:39:15] DictatorDuck: Price lowered
  877. [Sun 19:40:11] Incarnum: Danke shon.
  878. [Sun 19:41:38] Incarnum: I mean i have to use my 20k of vehicle parts somewhere...
  879. [Sun 19:41:45] Honeycomb: Yes, thank you...
  880. [Mon 03:13:38] Schatten: *Danke schön
  881. [Mon 03:14:32] Schatten: And admin, you should've waited for Myra. We talked yesterday, and he was going to send troops. I don't know if they were on the way then, but it's possible.
  882. [Mon 03:15:32] Schatten: And since I looked on the board just now, they were, apparently.
  883. [Mon 03:55:53] Incarnum: *sh4ug* i said that Myra was sending troops at it
  884. [Mon 03:56:14] Incarnum: And I have no ability to use german O.
  885. [Mon 04:53:28] Schatten: That's why you got me.^^
  886. [Mon 04:53:35] Schatten: And Myra, I guess.
  887. [Mon 07:54:24] Incarnum: Oh schatten, im just a-o-kay. I mean, I know german to a level, but its not much you know? I can ask basic stuff. "Vie ist das wetter heute?" Or was it Wie? I never rememebred. Had german in school from 3-7th grade... that was ages ago XD
  888. [Mon 07:55:40] Incarnum: I find it sad. I'm 20, i broke up with my girlfriend recently, i can't find a stable job or finish college properly (I had to last year xD) Meanwhile all my friends get married and get kids. What can I brag with? "I just managed to reach my cap on a geopo
  889. [Mon 07:55:51] Incarnum: geoponytics browsergame marketplace!"
  890. [Mon 10:34:06] Incarnum: Buying copper over buyers.
  891. [Mon 10:46:19] Incarnum: Danke.
  892. [Mon 11:21:43] Danube: Damned cofee prices, I'll have to centralize to avoid purchasing any of that brown gold.
  893. [Mon 11:30:01] Incarnum: Imma pay 100 000 000 000 for 1 admincoffeee :V
  894. [Mon 12:42:18] Schatten: Danube: Give me a few hundred mil, and I'll build farms. :P
  895. [Mon 13:49:35] Incarnum: Schatten I'll pay you for farms o3o
  896. [Mon 13:49:42] Incarnum: I'll need coffee badly when my stock runs out XD
  897. [Mon 13:49:52] Incarnum: I've built up some GDP again.
  898. [Mon 13:51:30] DictatorDuck: Coffee price is down
  899. [Mon 13:56:34] Honeycomb: I'd complain that it's still high, but in a shortage like this, you've got to set it high enough to where people won't buy more than they need.
  900. [Mon 13:58:15] Honeycomb: Or worse, buy and resell
  901. [Mon 13:58:29] Incarnum: You know, having a high GDP I might just do the latter .3.
  902. [Mon 14:01:26] Incarnum: but no, I wont XD
  903. [Mon 14:01:48] Incarnum: Ive starved before, dont want others going through that.
  904. [Mon 14:12:29] Incarnum: Oh and if admin sees it, I had a questino if its possible of "Buy max" button. I'm pretty sure if it was easy to do for him, he would already do it. But I'll ask just in case xD
  905. [Mon 14:17:03] Honeycomb: seems like that would raise the potential for misclicks
  906. [Mon 14:17:19] Honeycomb: "shit, I just spent ALL my money on this crap I don't need"
  907. [Mon 14:18:34] Incarnum: I guess yes. But if its moved to the left side of the bar o3o
  908. [Mon 14:18:43] Incarnum: Like "Buy one buy max buy" on the right side
  909. [Mon 14:18:50] Incarnum: And "Buy all" to the left side of the name
  910. [Mon 14:19:05] Incarnum: *Buy all right, buy max left*
  911. [Mon 14:19:27] Schatten: Still...probably better to not do that.^^
  912. [Mon 14:19:45] Incarnum: I guess xD It might make my job easier
  913. [Mon 14:19:47] Schatten: And I'll gladly take your money. If you have enough. :P
  914. [Mon 14:19:53] Incarnum: I dont right now
  915. [Mon 14:19:59] Incarnum: I've used mine to increase my GDP
  916. [Mon 14:20:07] Incarnum: I had 23kk now i have 30kk
  917. [Mon 14:20:13] Incarnum: in a few ticks
  918. [Mon 14:20:16] Incarnum: and oil sells
  919. [Mon 14:20:23] Incarnum: just place sugar on the market!
  920. [Mon 14:20:26] Incarnum: ill buy it off
  921. [Mon 14:21:28] Incarnum: i have 1.3 million ATM XD
  922. [Mon 15:07:05] Honeycomb: WOO finally found a legit leak of Painting With
  923. [Mon 15:35:40] Honeycomb: so basically they mashed up Boys Latin and Applesauce and made an album out of the result
  924. [Mon 15:35:57] Incarnum: No idea what that is o3o
  925. [Mon 15:38:21] Honeycomb: Animal Collective, a band. I'm gay as hell for them, like sixteen guys blowing seventeen guys gay.
  926. [Mon 15:38:58] Incarnum: ... What?
  927. [Mon 15:39:06] Incarnum: XD
  928. [Mon 15:39:13] Incarnum: I'm pretty damn lost .w.
  929. [Mon 15:39:41] Honeycomb: They're putting out a new album in a few days, Painting With, but the leak finally showed up early this morning.
  930. [Mon 15:40:31] Honeycomb: So I just listened to it for the first time. Boys Latin and Applesauce are other songs they've done.
  931. [Mon 15:43:28] Incarnum: Thats an american thing, isn't it?
  932. [Mon 15:44:06] Honeycomb: What's an American thing? Album leaks, or Animal Collective?
  933. [Mon 15:45:44] Incarnum: The second.
  934. [Mon 15:46:04] Incarnum: You're talking to a person who's EXTREMELY conservative in music choice.
  935. [Mon 15:47:06] Honeycomb: Ooo, oooh! Now you have to elaborate. What kind of music do you like?
  936. [Mon 15:47:39] Honeycomb: And yes, AnCo is an American band. They're kind of love-them-or-hate-them though and they don't get played on mainstream radio.
  937. [Mon 15:48:07] Incarnum: Im stuck on Machinae Supremacy and i dont want to get off. XD
  938. [Mon 15:48:40] Honeycomb: Any specific albums?
  939. [Mon 15:49:51] Incarnum: Not really. But Deus Ex Machinae has most of my favs in it.
  940. [Mon 15:50:07] Incarnum: Like I enjoy them all, but my favorites are from different albums
  941. [Mon 15:50:22] Incarnum: Deus Ex machinae has the most of those.
  942. [Mon 15:50:23] Honeycomb: right, right. That's always how it is.
  943. [Mon 15:50:44] Incarnum: So by comparison thats my fav album XD
  944. [Mon 15:50:59] Incarnum: Player One is the song that caught my heart.
  945. [Mon 15:51:24] Honeycomb: Okay, I'll give that album a listen. I'm not huge into metal but it's good to hear on occasion
  946. [Mon 15:52:33] Honeycomb: plus my roommate is a huge metalhead
  947. [Mon 15:52:47] Incarnum: Its not exactly metal.
  948. [Mon 15:52:59] Incarnum: Search for "Machinae Supremacy - Europa" thats not an album
  949. [Mon 15:53:02] Incarnum: But a song.
  950. [Mon 15:53:06] Incarnum: Call that metal, I dare you.
  951. [Mon 15:53:10] Incarnum: xD
  952. [Mon 15:53:11] Schatten: Ah yes. Player ONe is nice.
  953. [Mon 15:53:30] Honeycomb: oh god, is it progressive metal then? It sounds a lot like Coheed to me. I can never remember all these sub-sub-genres...
  954. [Mon 15:54:03] Schatten: Hm...they're not what you'd call metal usually, but they _are_ metal. Just a specific kind.
  955. [Mon 15:54:17] Prr Wio: testing testing 1 2 3
  956. [Mon 15:54:25] Honeycomb: holy god it's the Prr
  957. [Mon 15:54:27] Schatten: And don't ask me what it's supposed to be called either.^^
  958. [Mon 15:55:35] Prr Wio: :O
  959. [Mon 15:55:51] Honeycomb: I mean if Alcest is "black metal" then all I can say is these genre names are really confusing
  960. [Mon 15:56:19] Prr Wio: oh wew, I just looked and empire rankings
  961. [Mon 15:56:22] Incarnum: Its called SID Metal
  962. [Mon 15:56:24] Prr Wio: at
  963. [Mon 15:56:25] Incarnum: thats what it is
  964. [Mon 15:56:38] Incarnum: They have their own genere
  965. [Mon 15:56:42] Incarnum: That only they use XD
  966. [Mon 15:56:55] Honeycomb: I know, I've been getting lucky left and right. Prr Wio glorious return when?
  967. [Mon 15:57:34] Prr Wio: not now, thats for sure, also you didnt see me there because Im studying for exam
  968. [Mon 15:57:39] Schatten: I only know what I like and what not, I don't care what it's called.^^ And way I see it, almost every band has their own style anyway.
  969. [Mon 15:57:57] Honeycomb: I'm listening to Europa at the moment at your suggestion, and I'm getting flashes of Devin Townsend, probably only because of the female vocalist.
  970. [Mon 15:58:04] Honeycomb: I still call this metal though :^)
  971. [Mon 15:58:26] Schatten: Yep, it definitely is.
  972. [Mon 15:59:18] Incarnum: Europa? XD Its one of the softest metal songs i've heard then
  973. [Mon 15:59:40] Incarnum: Schatten.
  974. [Mon 15:59:46] Incarnum: I want to play until I die~
  975. [Mon 15:59:54] Prr Wio: you mean the band Europe or ..
  976. [Mon 16:00:42] Incarnum: Song.
  977. [Mon 16:00:44] Incarnum: Europa
  978. [Mon 16:00:46] Incarnum: A in the end
  979. [Mon 16:00:50] Incarnum: Not "THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!"
  980. [Mon 16:00:50] Prr Wio: from Globus?
  981. [Mon 16:01:33] Incarnum: Its... For special people. Like me and Schatten.
  982. [Mon 16:01:50] Honeycomb: Incarnum was just introducing me to one band by the name of Machinae Supremacy, who are responsible for the song "Europa"
  983. [Mon 16:03:05] Prr Wio: let me check it out
  984. [Mon 16:03:10] Incarnum: xD
  985. [Mon 16:03:17] Incarnum: Now 2 people are looking at it.
  986. [Mon 16:03:43] Incarnum: Oh god I remember the concert in moscow in A1 Club @.@ That was so fun
  987. [Mon 16:03:52] Incarnum: Schatten, I was on their concert :^)
  988. [Mon 16:04:04] Honeycomb: By the way, Prr was responsible for me rolling with a Prze and was my constant customer for weeks. Trump Tower owes its life to him.
  989. [Mon 16:04:41] Incarnum: Thank you Prr then! Because the Trump Tower kept us all alive this whole time xD
  990. [Mon 16:04:52] Schatten: Good for you, Incarnum.
  991. [Mon 16:05:00] Schatten: But Honeycomb, too. :P
  992. [Mon 16:05:34] Incarnum: Schatten, I sent 30million (-3%) to you.
  993. [Mon 16:05:41] Prr Wio: t-thanks for appreciation
  994. [Mon 16:05:54] Prr Wio: too bad most of what I bought died in rebellion ;_;
  995. [Mon 16:06:55] Incarnum: Now that is sad.
  996. [Mon 16:07:17] Prr Wio: such is life in >CLOP
  997. [Mon 16:07:20] Incarnum: Well, if you're going to restart I can offer you a big bunch of oil in a few ticks! o3o
  998. [Mon 16:07:25] Incarnum: or 4.1k right nwo XD
  999. [Mon 16:07:26] Incarnum: now*
  1000. [Mon 16:08:05] Schatten: Don't tempt the guy. He's studying, didn't you hear? ^^
  1001. [Mon 16:08:10] Schatten: And thanks.
  1002. [Mon 16:08:12] Incarnum: OH wait, yea.
  1003. [Mon 16:08:14] Incarnum: XD
  1004. [Mon 16:08:15] Prr Wio: :P
  1005. [Mon 16:08:28] Prr Wio: yeah, I think about it after exams
  1006. [Mon 16:08:50] Honeycomb: also, yo... you might want to keep your strategic intel on such things as the size of your stockpiles and how much money you have and stuff under wraps.
  1007. [Mon 16:09:10] Incarnum: Right now? Its all rapidly changing
  1008. [Mon 16:09:13] Honeycomb: People can put on a friendly face while they're planning to shank you in the shower.
  1009. [Mon 16:09:26] Incarnum: *shrug* .3.
  1010. [Mon 16:09:35] Incarnum: Its a browser pony game XD
  1011. [Mon 16:09:50] Prr Wio: I rate song Europa ok/10
  1012. [Mon 16:10:05] Incarnum: Go for "Player One" then
  1013. [Mon 16:10:10] Incarnum: Thats the song that caught my heart.
  1014. [Mon 16:10:29] Honeycomb: I will also do that then.
  1015. [Mon 16:11:56] Prr Wio: okay Ill try, but I kind of grew tired of metal
  1016. [Mon 16:12:06] Incarnum: Do that then, as in think of shanking me in the shower?...
  1017. [Mon 16:12:22] Incarnum: Well mister, I'll tell you. It'll be awkward to see you in my shower :V
  1018. [Mon 16:12:32] Honeycomb: kek, as in listen to Player One
  1019. [Mon 16:13:19] Incarnum: I vow to break my next vow. I vow to never break vows. o3o
  1020. [Mon 16:13:26] Incarnum: Brain fucking right htere.
  1021. [Mon 16:14:02] Honeycomb: but seriously, anyone who's tired of metal should listen to Epicloud by Devin Townsend Project.
  1022. [Mon 16:14:18] Honeycomb: though maybe my roommate's conditioning has set in
  1023. [Mon 16:14:55] Prr Wio: added to "to listen"
  1024. [Mon 16:14:56] Honeycomb: he's a really talented singer and voice actor, and he has freaky sensitive ears and perfect intervals and eidetic memory
  1025. [Mon 16:15:04] Honeycomb: my roommate, that is
  1026. [Mon 16:15:11] Prr Wio: kewl
  1027. [Mon 16:15:27] Honeycomb: so he's always freaking out about awesome vocalists, of whom Devin Townsend apparently is one
  1028. [Mon 16:15:31] Prr Wio: okay it was 30 seconds and I already like epicloud
  1029. [Mon 16:15:45] Prr Wio: good shot Honey
  1030. [Mon 16:16:09] Honeycomb: "Kingdom" and "Grace" and "Save Our Now" are the highlights, glad you liked the intro though ^^
  1031. [Mon 16:16:23] Prr Wio: no, I started somewhere in the middle
  1032. [Mon 16:16:32] Prr Wio: totaly random fragment
  1033. [Mon 16:16:50] Incarnum: XD
  1034. [Mon 16:16:58] Incarnum: Thats usually a bad idea.
  1035. [Mon 16:17:09] Honeycomb: I never do that! Who does that?
  1036. [Mon 16:17:11] Prr Wio: it was good idea now
  1037. [Mon 16:17:42] Incarnum: xD
  1038. [Mon 16:18:26] Prr Wio: speaking of metal I was listening to rammstein and korpiklaani recently
  1039. [Mon 16:19:34] Honeycomb: Are the two of those bands even remotely related? My roommate is huge into german
  1040. [Mon 16:19:37] Honeycomb: ...
  1041. [Mon 16:19:50] Prr Wio: I dont think so
  1042. [Mon 16:19:53] Honeycomb: I mean he's huge into rammstein and learned childish german just to understand their lyrics
  1043. [Mon 16:19:59] Prr Wio: maybe related in this that they sometimes sing in no-english
  1044. [Mon 16:20:41] Prr Wio: well rammstein mostly in no-english
  1045. [Mon 16:21:49] Honeycomb: he's made me watch several of their videos heh
  1046. [Mon 16:22:29] Prr Wio: you mean music videos or something from the concert?
  1047. [Mon 16:23:15] Honeycomb: both. I've seen the video for "Lust" or whatever, with the million dollar fatsuits. Also that live shit where Till Lindemann cut into his cheek with LEDs so his mouth glows from the inside when he sings
  1048. [Mon 16:23:48] Prr Wio: heh, I seen the one with huge benis
  1049. [Mon 16:24:59] Prr Wio: the singer would cum on his audience
  1050. [Mon 16:25:00] Honeycomb: Don't recall that one...
  1051. [Mon 16:25:05] Honeycomb: ...oh.
  1052. [Mon 16:25:23] Honeycomb: Now that's just degenerate.
  1053. [Mon 16:25:40] Prr Wio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khM3NIh85xg
  1054. [Mon 16:26:24] Prr Wio: see from 1:30
  1055. [Mon 16:28:03] Honeycomb: it's literally the old cults of priapus brought back
  1056. [Mon 16:28:36] Honeycomb: now I understand why Slavoj Zizek decided it was worthwhile to comment on Rammstein concerts in that movie he made
  1057. [Mon 16:30:35] Prr Wio: I need to go back to my studies, see you later
  1058. [Mon 16:30:54] Honeycomb: Good to see you again!
  1059. [Mon 16:31:18] Incarnum: Come back again! -3-
  1060. [Tue 06:25:13] Incarnum: Any zebricas willing to negotiate gem price?
  1061. [Tue 09:12:04] DeDuder: Sorry, just created my group of unicorns. I barely have any gems to spare every tick.
  1062. [Tue 10:05:42] DictatorDuck: Having a standing army just eats up resources, it's far cheaper just to mae 20 barracks in the long run.
  1063. [Tue 11:02:35] Incarnum: Honeycomb, any machinery part sales that may come soon?
  1064. [Tue 11:50:39] Incarnum: Oh, nevermind im stupid .3.
  1065. [Wed 02:33:27] Honeycomb: Down to one page of active players... that's depressing.
  1066. [Wed 03:09:19] Schatten: Indeed.
  1067. [Wed 03:09:52] Schatten: And who's Vino Vines? That he know's Scarf?
  1068. [Wed 06:39:33] Vino Vines: :}
  1069. [Wed 10:15:17] Admin: sorry guys, I never really want to blame the playerbase for anything but this is a really classic tragedy of the commons scenario
  1070. [Wed 10:15:22] Admin: you farm and don't help new players
  1071. [Wed 10:15:26] Admin: and then wonder why they leave
  1072. [Wed 10:15:33] Admin: that's african-tier logic
  1073. [Wed 10:59:06] Honeycomb: Can we all have like a serious discussion about how to fix this problem? Without, you know, trying to make Admin change the game? What's really the solution here?
  1074. [Wed 10:59:07] Myrami: >Niggers
  1075. [Wed 10:59:48] Myrami: >grasping the concept of farming and agriculture
  1076. [Wed 11:00:14] Myrami: You crack me up xD
  1077. [Wed 11:09:55] Incarnum: I'm selling oil at an available price for everyone! .w.
  1078. [Wed 11:10:05] Incarnum: Im not farming or even stocking up on shit XD
  1079. [Wed 11:59:15] Schatten: Admin, you have a point. But most of those who leave never communicate with the rest of us. Which makes it really hard to help, when all we see are the explosions.
  1080. [Wed 12:00:02] Incarnum: If other nations lower the price it'll be much better :V
  1081. [Wed 12:00:26] Incarnum: i mean how is a starter nation spposed to buy sugar at 12 k xD
  1082. [Wed 12:00:52] Schatten: Still. I don't have the necessary stocks yet, but can we get together a "newbie task force", whose job it is to send out starter packages? Anyone interested in helping, PM me.
  1083. [Wed 12:01:55] Schatten: Incarnum: Market prices are fluctuating. And that's part of the game. Can't change that. All we can do is get their feet on the ground, so they can help themselves.
  1084. [Wed 12:05:53] Incarnum: But will that really help them if they get a bunch of resources waste them and still get blown up because they'll mess up the ballance? That happened to my first nation lol
  1085. [Wed 12:08:55] Schatten: Part of it is explaining some basic mechanics, obviously. If they _want_ advice, that is. If they still blow up, that's on them.
  1086. [Wed 12:10:14] Schatten: Which is also why, personally, I never gave up too big starter packages (back when I did). Screwups are less fatal when resource numbers are lower.
  1087. [Wed 12:11:07] Incarnum: I guess thats true.
  1088. [Wed 12:13:57] Danube: I don't think the reason for the players leaving is us not helping them. They just find the game boring. Sure, us conqwering them at the age of 25 puts them off... well it would if they would ever get there.
  1089. [Wed 12:16:27] Danube: The point is that it's the game's fault. I like it, some of you like it, but it's just not for everyone. I see only two options for enlarging the player base. They won't work wonders, but they should help. There is a third one, but it implies changing the
  1090. [Wed 12:16:54] Danube: whole game, which, I do not reccomend.
  1091. [Wed 12:17:22] Danube: 1) Better guide (include obvious reason here)
  1092. [Wed 12:19:20] Danube: Now, seriously, the "help" you get in this game is outrageously missing. It would be far fetched to say it doesn't hold your hand. It's just awful. Make a guide, make a wiki, make anything, because the current guide can only explain the very basics.
  1093. [Wed 12:20:51] Danube: 2) Remove all ponies. Yeah, you heard me, no ponies=more players. Everyone that plays this game that isn't a brony, please present yourself. I believe there is no non-brony here.
  1094. [Wed 12:22:06] Danube: Ok, there might be 1,2, waiting to have me stay corrected, but it's as simple as it sounds. No more ponies=larger pool of possible players, bronies and non-bronies alike.
  1095. [Wed 12:24:13] Danube: Furthermore, the MLP fandom just isn't into this kind of games. They're hipsters, they're not into such things as geoplitical... sorry, geoponitical simulators. (Well, it's more like a troll simulator, but nevertheless)
  1096. [Wed 12:26:03] Danube: And really, I can live without ponies in this game. All you need to do is change the name (because the name!!!!!), the theme and boom ! Don't get me wrong, I like ponies, all the ponies, but I really wish there were more players
  1097. [Wed 12:26:08] Danube: , just like you !
  1098. [Wed 12:27:37] Danube: As a matter of fact, I wanted to recomend this game to a friend, and I would have if it weren
  1099. [Wed 12:28:08] Danube: 't for the damned title. Just having him google it makes me cringe.
  1100. [Wed 12:44:49] Incarnum: i dislike mlp
  1101. [Wed 12:44:54] Incarnum: like the show
  1102. [Wed 12:45:00] Incarnum: its poorly executed and faulty in animation .3.
  1103. [Wed 12:46:22] Schatten: Hm. I had most of a better guide already written. maybe I should finish it.
  1104. [Wed 12:47:15] Schatten: As to the pony thing: I've known quite a few players who weren't bronies. You're right, technically, but I doubt it would help all that much by now.
  1105. [Wed 12:48:02] Schatten: Btw., related: is there an ad up, admin? If not, you could try that once more.
  1106. [Wed 13:19:30] Honeycomb: To my mind it's not as simple as just giving new players free stuff.
  1107. [Wed 13:20:56] Schatten: No. But it's one step-
  1108. [Wed 13:21:51] Honeycomb: What I mean is that it might be best to actually make them do something, even if it's as simple as joining an alliance, to get material help.
  1109. [Wed 13:22:56] Honeycomb: Because it fits more with the illusion of there being "purposes" and "goals" in the game.
  1110. [Wed 13:24:32] Honeycomb: Also, I'm concerned about the shrinking of the middle class. What's up with all the established players dropping off the radar?
  1111. [Fri 06:32:03] Incarnum: i doubt it. in all honesty
  1112. [Fri 06:32:13] Incarnum: not many nations run GDP
  1113. [Fri 06:32:15] Schatten: There's your delicious Asalerian sugar. One of the tasiest in the world. Bon appetit!
  1114. [Fri 06:32:18] Incarnum: i used to, but that was too expensive
  1115. [Fri 06:32:51] Incarnum: the amount of oil i made back then was more, but no one bought that much (stably) and i couldn't live from death tick to death tick XD
  1116. [Fri 06:33:03] Incarnum: (usually the needed amount was found right before the tick that would kill me happened)
  1117. [Fri 06:33:05] Schatten: But there seems to be enough oil. That's the biggest factor.
  1118. [Fri 06:33:20] Incarnum: Not when you're an oil nation
  1119. [Fri 06:33:23] Incarnum: I can't have nearly enough sugar
  1120. [Fri 06:33:27] Schatten: Yes, but I'm Burro.^^
  1121. [Fri 06:33:33] Incarnum: We should totally work together XD
  1122. [Fri 06:33:42] Incarnum: how much per tick do you need?
  1123. [Fri 06:33:56] Schatten: If the market can support a "several k er tick" oil use, then it's good to go.
  1124. [Fri 06:34:35] Incarnum: Ill kick up my oil production to the max
  1125. [Fri 06:34:37] Incarnum: and see how much i make
  1126. [Fri 06:34:43] Incarnum: (And oil consumtion too)
  1127. [Fri 06:35:39] Schatten: Seems good then. I'll see what I can do with my parts and money reserves. Might take a day or two to get fully grown.
  1128. [Fri 06:35:52] Schatten: Myra'll be happy too, I guess.^^
  1129. [Fri 06:35:53] Incarnum: http://puu.sh/n58dx.png
  1130. [Fri 06:36:00] Incarnum: This is with EVERYTHING on that uses oil
  1131. [Fri 06:36:03] Incarnum: i make over 4k per tick
  1132. [Fri 06:36:20] Incarnum: well almost everything
  1133. [Fri 06:36:24] Incarnum: - 50 plastic factories
  1134. [Fri 06:36:27] Incarnum: so think of it as a stable 4k
  1135. [Fri 06:38:10] Schatten: You can spare some Gas to fill my initial stockpiles?
  1136. [Fri 06:39:00] Incarnum: I can, i think i might have enough
  1137. [Fri 06:39:04] Incarnum: Let me check
  1138. [Fri 06:39:18] Incarnum: i have 4k to spare
  1139. [Fri 06:39:40] Schatten: Should be enough. Thanks. How much do you want for it? 4k sugar?^^
  1140. [Fri 06:40:43] Incarnum: That would be amazing, but place your bid first, i just used moneys on something pretty important. (Called cupcakes XD)
  1141. [Fri 06:41:42] Incarnum: Just get me the 3k i dont have enough money ATM for the 4k XD
  1142. [Fri 06:41:46] Incarnum: since theres still a fee
  1143. [Fri 06:42:45] Incarnum: ANYWAYS, thank you for saving my sorry ass
  1144. [Fri 06:43:31] Incarnum: this is
  1145. [Fri 06:43:35] Incarnum: the third time im being saved :V
  1146. [Fri 06:43:39] Incarnum: These last 2 weeks
  1147. [Fri 06:44:03] Incarnum: i have a huge stockpile of machinery/vehicle parts
  1148. [Fri 06:44:08] Incarnum: but that aint helping me right now XD
  1149. [Fri 06:45:31] Schatten: I could use them.
  1150. [Fri 06:45:39] Schatten: Name your price.
  1151. [Fri 06:45:58] Incarnum: does 45k per machinery and 35k per vehicle sound fair?
  1152. [Fri 06:46:07] Incarnum: i thik thats their market price
  1153. [Fri 06:46:27] Incarnum: Thats what i bought them for ayway lol
  1154. [Fri 06:46:52] Incarnum: but i only have 4k machinery and 10k vehicle
  1155. [Fri 06:46:53] Incarnum: to spare
  1156. [Fri 06:47:15] Schatten: Alright...I don't care that much. If you want money, I can only tae 500 of each then though.
  1157. [Fri 06:47:33] Incarnum: i will need the moeny for an army
  1158. [Fri 06:47:42] Incarnum: and i dont want to be a dick and just take money :V
  1159. [Fri 06:47:52] Schatten: Or, if you put sugar at 10k for trade, I have about 15k more of that, too.
  1160. [Fri 06:47:55] Incarnum: I'm willing to sell half of my stock XD
  1161. [Fri 06:48:17] Schatten: Why do you need an army?
  1162. [Fri 06:48:33] Incarnum: 500 rebels
  1163. [Fri 06:48:37] Incarnum: i 6 horus
  1164. [Fri 06:48:42] Incarnum: will kill me
  1165. [Fri 06:48:52] Schatten: I thought we just prevented that? Oo
  1166. [Fri 06:48:52] Incarnum: ill build an army in 4 before the battle tick
  1167. [Fri 06:49:01] Incarnum: or now
  1168. [Fri 06:49:05] Incarnum: that really doesn't matter
  1169. [Fri 06:49:07] Incarnum: since no per tick input
  1170. [Fri 06:49:18] Schatten: It does matter. Troop sat.
  1171. [Fri 06:49:35] Incarnum: Having an army decreases sat?
  1172. [Fri 06:49:38] Incarnum: because Im already attacked
  1173. [Fri 06:49:47] Incarnum: but if i have an army it decreases more?
  1174. [Fri 06:49:52] Schatten: Yes, it does.
  1175. [Fri 06:50:09] Incarnum: Okay, thanks for the info i still have +150 sat tho XD
  1176. [Fri 06:50:17] Schatten: Each troop above 20 costs 0.5 sat per tick.
  1177. [Fri 06:50:18] Incarnum: because im at 2200 and i have a cap of 2500
  1178. [Fri 06:50:31] Incarnum: oh
  1179. [Fri 06:50:33] Incarnum: What if i have
  1180. [Fri 06:50:36] Incarnum: 5 groups 20 each?
  1181. [Fri 06:50:37] Schatten: Anyway, parts offers up. For the asked price.
  1182. [Fri 06:50:54] Schatten: If you want more sugar, feel free to ut offers up as well. I can fill them as I can.
  1183. [Fri 06:51:14] Schatten: 5 groups of 20 are 100. So that's 40 sat per tick.
  1184. [Fri 06:51:21] Incarnum: Poop
  1185. [Fri 06:51:26] Incarnum: XD
  1186. [Fri 06:52:01] Incarnum: do you make 1.3k sugar per turn?
  1187. [Fri 06:52:12] Schatten: So in general, people build armies right the tick they need them. Unless they have excessive sat.
  1188. [Fri 06:52:24] Schatten: I'm at 680 now.
  1189. [Fri 06:52:44] Incarnum: Well, I'll manage for now XD
  1190. [Fri 06:52:53] Incarnum: I sometimes think i overbuilt myself
  1191. [Fri 06:53:00] Schatten: If Myra comes one, he'll probably be able to supply more stuff, then I can do 1.5k easily.
  1192. [Fri 06:53:21] Incarnum: well, i have 4k oil per tick
  1193. [Fri 06:53:23] Incarnum: as net
  1194. [Fri 06:53:31] Incarnum: i bet i can supply a few players
  1195. [Fri 06:53:38] Schatten: You have a suboptimal mechwells/fracker spread.
  1196. [Fri 06:53:44] Incarnum: i just cant supply myself since oil is at 10k
  1197. [Fri 06:53:49] Incarnum: Kinda
  1198. [Fri 06:53:59] Incarnum: I have the same amoutn of damage from all oil instalations
  1199. [Fri 06:54:04] Incarnum: and all 10 facilities
  1200. [Fri 06:54:18] Schatten: I don't think it's that overbuilt in general, but rearrange your buildings a bit should help.
  1201. [Fri 06:54:34] Incarnum: i just usually halt half of my buildings
  1202. [Fri 06:54:40] Incarnum: and reduce the sugar usuage by half in bad times
  1203. [Fri 06:54:46] Incarnum: But this morning
  1204. [Fri 06:54:50] Incarnum: sugar was at 30k piece.
  1205. [Fri 06:54:56] Incarnum: And I couldn't afford it since no one ever bought oil
  1206. [Fri 06:55:02] Incarnum: and 9kk per turn isn't enough to buy 600
  1207. [Fri 06:55:10] Schatten: Deactivated buildings also cost sat, you knw that!?
  1208. [Fri 06:55:17] Incarnum: yap
  1209. [Fri 06:55:20] Incarnum: 1 sat per building
  1210. [Fri 06:55:23] Incarnum: thats why i demolished some
  1211. [Fri 06:55:34] Incarnum: not to a drastic level
  1212. [Fri 06:55:43] Incarnum: I had WAY TOO MUCH vodka production
  1213. [Fri 06:55:46] Incarnum: and energy production
  1214. [Fri 06:55:48] Incarnum: so i killed that
  1215. [Fri 06:56:08] Incarnum: I can turn off my energy alltogether for about 20 ticks
  1216. [Fri 06:56:17] Incarnum: i need 1k per tick and i have over 25k
  1217. [Fri 06:56:38] Incarnum: (I made my own parts while copper was cheap)
  1218. [Fri 06:56:50] Incarnum: (I mean it was 8k, come on!)
  1219. [Fri 06:58:12] Incarnum: its sometimes tempting to screw independance and go for war XD
  1220. [Fri 06:59:19] Schatten: Making parts yourself? Wow...no reliable Prze's around?
  1221. [Fri 06:59:32] Incarnum: There were
  1222. [Fri 06:59:40] Incarnum: But copper was 8k piece
  1223. [Fri 07:00:03] Incarnum: And they wanted over 50k per one. (Except for a specific person, whos name i dont remember, trump tower. He kept placing at 35k each no matter what. Even now.)
  1224. [Fri 07:01:01] Schatten: Well. Either those are tax evasion offers, or they're crazy. From any economy rule, parts prices should go down with copper, too.
  1225. [Fri 07:01:42] Incarnum: Trump Tower was just really nice and kept buying il from people at extremely low prices for those parts XD
  1226. [Fri 07:01:48] Incarnum: oil*
  1227. [Fri 07:03:27] Schatten: Ah. K.^^
  1228. [Fri 07:03:40] Incarnum: and copper wet up in price, so parts are this expensive
  1229. [Fri 07:03:50] Incarnum: too expensive tho
  1230. [Fri 07:03:54] Schatten: Hm. My money reserves are now at 600k...i have to stop expanding...
  1231. [Fri 07:04:03] Incarnum: Because as I see it, parts should be (maximum 5k bonus, yes im greedy) +oil pricex1.5+copper price
  1232. [Fri 07:04:31] Incarnum: 1.5x since 12 oil into 8 energy if gasoline.
  1233. [Fri 07:04:41] Incarnum: or the sat penalty is 0.5 of oil if you burn it directly
  1234. [Fri 07:05:16] Incarnum: im just glad that no matter what, ill have oil XD
  1235. [Fri 07:06:09] Schatten: ^^
  1236. [Fri 07:06:57] Incarnum: ANYHOW. Im glad you saved my ass with your sugar
  1237. [Fri 07:07:03] Incarnum: If you ever need cheap oil, come by xD
  1238. [Fri 07:07:11] Schatten: No probs. I will.^^
  1239. [Fri 07:07:29] Incarnum: how much do you use per tick?
  1240. [Fri 07:07:47] Schatten: Being a Burro, I always will need oil. And seeing as I plan to run a full-blown nation with 500-600 sugar farms, I'll need lots of it. ^^
  1241. [Fri 07:08:02] Incarnum: well im going to use the 20kk you gave me
  1242. [Fri 07:08:06] Schatten: Right now, I'm at 240.
  1243. [Fri 07:08:10] Incarnum: and se tit on market for sugar
  1244. [Fri 07:08:22] Incarnum: what should our sugar trade price be?
  1245. [Fri 07:08:24] Incarnum: how much you want per sugar?
  1246. [Fri 07:09:25] Schatten: I have no idea what good prices are these days. Is 12k much?
  1247. [Fri 07:09:43] Incarnum: hey if its not 30 or 20k im fine
  1248. [Fri 07:09:44] Incarnum: xD
  1249. [Fri 07:09:52] Schatten: Lol.
  1250. [Fri 07:10:31] Incarnum: well, sugars up, sell whenever you can how much you ca.
  1251. [Fri 07:10:51] Schatten: I remember using 12k as a minimum price for selling sugar. Which meant that I would often not sell at all, since others were cheaper.
  1252. [Fri 07:10:53] Incarnum: Ill sell you cheaper oil for 5k piece .w.
  1253. [Fri 07:11:14] Incarnum: since the 5k price is there ONLY because i kinda crashed it with my bid xD
  1254. [Fri 07:11:14] Schatten: Sweet!
  1255. [Fri 07:11:24] Incarnum: i placed 27k for 5k oil.
  1256. [Fri 07:11:29] Schatten: Yeah, that happens.^^
  1257. [Fri 07:11:38] Incarnum: as in 5k per 1 oil.
  1258. [Fri 07:11:51] Incarnum: I find it amusing i can crash the market...
  1259. [Fri 07:12:38] Schatten: Yeah, with such a small game population.^^
  1260. [Fri 07:12:52] Incarnum: Thats why ill try not to.
  1261. [Fri 07:12:56] Incarnum: New players wont be abe to grow XD
  1262. [Fri 07:12:57] Schatten: Minty and PIBH used to pretty much _set_ the oil price, for months at a time.
  1263. [Fri 07:13:28] Schatten: As in, one of them. At different times, not both at once.
  1264. [Fri 07:13:38] Incarnum: FIrst one stockpiles
  1265. [Fri 07:13:41] Incarnum: then the other, huh?
  1266. [Fri 07:14:02] Incarnum: i just know these high prices are hard to afford
  1267. [Fri 07:14:05] Incarnum: looking at the max GDP
  1268. [Fri 07:14:17] Incarnum: I used to be the leader with 57kk for like a week.
  1269. [Fri 07:14:21] Incarnum: But it was too hard to maintain.
  1270. [Fri 07:14:44] Incarnum: and i bought masses of stuff and pepole started to increase the pries since i poured bits in :V
  1271. [Fri 07:14:49] Incarnum: I caused the inflation i think...
  1272. [Fri 07:15:18] Incarnum: and since my GDP is gone, no one buys stuff at those prices xD
  1273. [Fri 07:15:37] Schatten: No, not like that. PIBH would set the oil price over a year ago. Minty, after the reset.
  1274. [Fri 07:15:47] Incarnum: Ah.
  1275. [Fri 07:16:00] Incarnum: Interesting people.
  1276. [Fri 07:16:19] Schatten: When PIBH quit, he gave me like 13 million oil.
  1277. [Fri 07:16:25] Incarnum: holy
  1278. [Fri 07:16:42] Schatten: That was before the inflation mechnic, but still.
  1279. [Fri 07:17:51] Incarnum: ANYHOW, pleasure doing business with you.
  1280. [Fri 07:18:11] Incarnum: I can suply you with parts/machinery if need be for now
  1281. [Fri 07:18:22] Incarnum: I still have 10k to spare of vehicle and 3.5k to spare of mechanical
  1282. [Fri 07:18:42] Incarnum: i can sell you them too later.
  1283. [Fri 07:18:49] Schatten: K. I'll get back to you when I have monies.^^
  1284. [Fri 07:18:57] Incarnum: Or sugar
  1285. [Fri 07:19:05] Incarnum: I will have buyers on from time to time
  1286. [Fri 07:19:08] Schatten: Yes.^^
  1287. [Fri 07:19:16] Incarnum: if you will need more money go to regular
  1288. [Fri 07:19:21] Incarnum: You'll get more profit from there XD
  1289. [Fri 07:19:29] Schatten: regular?
  1290. [Fri 07:19:36] Incarnum: regular marktet place
  1291. [Fri 07:19:40] Incarnum: sellers?
  1292. [Fri 07:19:49] Schatten: Oh. Yes, I know.
  1293. [Fri 07:20:07] Incarnum: But dont worry, I'll supply you with oil if you supply with sugar XD
  1294. [Fri 07:20:36] Schatten: But I estimate I'll need another billion bits or so, so doing regular business would still take a while.
  1295. [Fri 07:20:55] Incarnum: You do that, if you need cheaper parts, ill be here
  1296. [Fri 07:21:00] Incarnum: that or Trump Tower.
  1297. [Fri 07:21:01] Schatten: As I said, Myra will possibly help out.
  1298. [Fri 07:21:06] Incarnum: He will gladly supply you.
  1299. [Fri 07:21:24] Incarnum: I think it was either honecomb or keymaster
  1300. [Fri 07:21:30] Incarnum: not sure which one of them has The Trump Tower
  1301. [Fri 07:21:43] Incarnum: i think honeycomb
  1302. [Fri 07:29:12] Schatten: Ah. Yeah, that makes sense.^^
  1303. [Fri 07:31:53] Incarnum: Either way, thank you again. I hope we both will benefit from this. Just place on buyers market place for oil. I'll sell you all the oil you need. Be it stockpiling or 500 per tick.
  1304. [Fri 07:33:49] Incarnum: I just need to find 100 000 000 before the war tick now XD
  1305. [Fri 07:34:49] Schatten: That...seems like a challenge.^^
  1306. [Fri 07:35:02] Schatten: Ask your alliance?
  1307. [Fri 07:50:55] Incarnum: My plan is to leave it most likely :V
  1308. [Fri 07:58:06] Schatten: Oo
  1309. [Fri 07:58:33] Schatten: Well, you'd be welcome to FC, if you want to...
  1310. [Fri 08:08:15] Incarnum: That might happen but not just yet. Im not even sure xD
  1311. [Fri 08:08:22] Incarnum: Im tempted to take a warpath
  1312. [Fri 08:08:34] Incarnum: but i know one thing, all the people who you can fight
  1313. [Fri 08:08:43] Incarnum: already have backup and im not sure if i want to bother with a war
  1314. [Fri 08:09:11] Incarnum: if the FC ever want to set on a warpath with anyone, you guys can count on me lateron, but i will not provoke anything ever XD
  1315. [Fri 08:15:26] Schatten: Don't be offended, but you seem to be having trouble with 500 rebels. War is NOT a good idea.^^
  1316. [Fri 08:16:25] Incarnum: Thats my point.
  1317. [Fri 08:16:37] Incarnum: War is extremely tempted, if i manage to get my hooves on a sugar nation...
  1318. [Fri 08:16:47] Incarnum: I've been having sugar problems 3 times in a row.
  1319. [Fri 08:17:14] Incarnum: I can't expect to be bailed out every time you know?
  1320. [Fri 08:17:17] Incarnum: Im not saying right now, but in the future. That message ont he top makes me agree with it Q.Q
  1321. [Fri 09:56:33] Danube: Someone interested in warring?
  1322. [Fri 09:57:51] Danube: Incarnum, you interested in conqwering a burro? Well, if you can find a suitable one, I might be able to act as a hitman :D.
  1323. [Fri 10:15:17] Keymaster: Oil shock sale! 5k per unit!
  1324. [Fri 10:24:05] Incarnum: Keymaster
  1325. [Fri 10:24:06] Incarnum: Could you
  1326. [Fri 10:24:13] Incarnum: Posisbly buy my oil at the hightened price .w.
  1327. [Fri 10:24:21] Incarnum: If i dont get 100kk ill die this tick...
  1328. [Fri 10:24:23] Incarnum: xD
  1329. [Fri 10:24:41] Incarnum: Limsa is LITERALLY killing me
  1330. [Fri 10:24:54] Incarnum: a nation that can provide 4.1k oil per tick net T.T
  1331. [Fri 10:25:48] Incarnum: Plz dont kill me or atleast buy my oil.
  1332. [Fri 13:35:16] Keymaster: I actually make 5k oil a tick :p
  1333. [Fri 13:36:29] Keymaster: Speaking of which, 3500 bits per oil!
  1334. [Fri 13:38:08] Incarnum: you are out to kill me
  1335. [Fri 13:38:09] Incarnum: aren't you?
  1336. [Fri 13:38:18] Incarnum: how do you even make enough to buy sugar?
  1337. [Fri 13:57:12] DictatorDuck: 5k per tick? I make half that....
  1338. [Fri 13:57:28] DictatorDuck: At least I'm more sustainable!
  1339. [Fri 14:11:50] Keymaster: I have over 100k of sugar :p that's how I survive!
  1340. [Fri 14:13:16] Keymaster: I can sustain myself well xD
  1341. [Fri 14:15:56] Keymaster: Just because I'm generous: 30k sugar at 8k per unit prices!
  1342. [Fri 14:55:59] Admin: Flags are in. Right now they're only on View User and View Alliance. You can't upload any images to my server with it (offsite images only)
  1343. [Fri 14:56:15] Admin: Let me know all the places you want to see them. Note that flags are on the user and not the nation level.
  1344. [Fri 15:19:46] DictatorDuck: What are they resized to?
  1345. [Fri 15:23:52] Admin: 20x20
  1346. [Fri 16:05:39] Keymaster: how does one do such?
  1347. [Fri 16:09:09] Incarnum: Isn't it obvious? In chat and private messages!~
  1348. [Fri 16:09:17] Incarnum: Though I dont know if that will work. owo
  1349. [Fri 16:13:55] Admin: ...I actually could
  1350. [Fri 16:14:40] Admin: although I'm not sure if chat is the best idea
  1351. [Fri 16:23:35] Incarnum: Well, PM might be!
  1352. [Fri 16:23:57] Incarnum: And how about change the top chat message from "People talked." to "Ponies talked." or something. Since you know, suit the theme of the game? XD
  1353. [Fri 18:35:18] NotASomepony: could somepony sell machinery parts pls
  1354. [Fri 18:54:07] Admin: Incarnum: I get a lot of pushback if I put too much "pony" on things, and it's clear that the players aren't pones themselves
  1355. [Fri 18:54:20] Admin: although we get people like not a somepony asking for ponies :D
  1356. [Fri 18:54:30] Admin: also if you really want something *invite a new player to help you make it*
  1357. [Fri 19:02:02] NotASomepony: Admin.
  1358. [Fri 19:02:09] NotASomepony: How about you make me some machinery parts?
  1359. [Fri 19:02:45] NotASomepony: c:
  1360. [Fri 19:05:55] NotASomepony: Cuz none of my friends get this game xC or are really interested
  1361. [Fri 19:32:30] Honeycomb: Aight, machine parts coming up
  1362. [Fri 20:36:29] NotASomepony: df
  1363. [Fri 20:36:34] NotASomepony: someone ate it
  1364. [Fri 22:30:40] DeDuder: Should I wait for 1000 superpower satisfaction to get both environmental facilities or get more facilities to improve my economy?
  1365. [Fri 22:38:29] Honeycomb: "wait for 1000 superpower satisfaction"
  1366. [Fri 22:38:35] Honeycomb: this is an odd turn of phrase
  1367. [Fri 22:39:36] Honeycomb: because with worship centers it would be ridiculous to try and get 1000 superpower satisfaction (actually the threshold is 900, but we'll let that slide)
  1368. [Fri 22:39:55] Honeycomb: due to the decreasing returns as your superpower affinity increases
  1369. [Fri 22:41:16] Honeycomb: the way to do it is to stock 14400 oil, 1000 composites, 5000 copper, and 200M bits, and to make all ten enviros in one push by shipping 7200 oil to each sister and then creating the enviros
  1370. [Fri 22:50:10] Honeycomb: by the way, it seems like the guy has left so no harm done, but I thought Admin would be interested to know that noobs still aren't reading the rules http://i.imgur.com/JchkF4Z.png?1
  1371. [Sat 08:05:14] Schatten: Not surprising. Pretty much no one reads rules.
  1372. [Sat 08:06:36] Schatten: DeDuder: What Honeycomb said. Getting to 900 rep with one sister is ridiculous with worship centers, let alone both. Do what he said, and stock drugs in addition to that. To get some money back at the end.
  1373. [Sat 08:08:00] Schatten: Or, if you are content with only five EFs, you could go Solar Vassal / Lunar Client. But this also is done by shipping oil to get to 1k rep, not by worship.
  1374. [Sat 08:45:13] DictatorDuck: So are the Swedes now at war with the coalition?
  1375. [Sat 09:06:41] DictatorDuck: A quick reminder, I'm available for any righteous intervention with the promise of land.
  1376. [Sat 09:43:26] Schatten: Huh...strange indeed...
  1377. [Sat 11:35:19] NotASomepony: http://i.imgur.com/SHH44uf.jpg
  1378. [Sat 12:09:40] NotASomepony: ^And no, that isn't horseporn. Not this time ;)))
  1379. [Sat 12:24:05] Keymaster: No. There's no need for intervention yet. And even if such were needed, I have someone that would be most interested in joining.
  1380. [Sat 12:40:30] DictatorDuck: But I insist! If there is war to be had, and the innocent to protect, I must take action!
  1381. [Sat 13:46:14] Honeycomb: You know, the stupid of this situation is really just too thick.
  1382. [Sat 13:55:36] Myrami: Explain yourself, Keymaster! Is there any reason why Admin shouldn't ban you and Nss for violating rule 4?
  1383. [Sat 14:25:57] Keymaster: I attacked another nation before joining coalition. i failed miserably, and used Nss4fun's money for such. the agreement was to get her an oil nation. i failed in doing that. therefore, i made an oil nation for myself. i waited about a week or so to see i
  1384. [Sat 14:27:09] Keymaster: **if i could obtain another saddle nation without losing mine that was superpowered. If i wasn't still independent when i attacked, then i would have had the nation, given her the lesser producing one, and keep the oil markets stable with the one i had.
  1385. [Sat 14:28:27] Keymaster: since i failed still to get that, my own nation was up for her, unfortunately enough. she took it over. if she's reading in this chat, i hope she realizes that she better contribute to the marketplace.
  1386. [Sat 14:29:06] Keymaster: Anything else need explaining? Or am I at fault for something that i agreed to doing for her over a month ago?
  1387. [Sat 14:32:31] Incarnum: Is it against the rules to "buy" a nation but then not pay the person thus lying? XD (I mean lying isn't against the rules, buying is) I know I'll be a total dick, but is it? .3.
  1388. [Sat 14:36:32] Honeycomb: AYO HOL UP
  1389. [Sat 14:36:41] Honeycomb: SO U BE SAYIN
  1390. [Sat 14:38:14] Incarnum: I get what he's saying but he fucked up with independance. Thus he gave up this nation (And since he COMPLETELY TRASHED a nation) he made a new one. I'm not sure if thats allowed or not.
  1391. [Sat 15:23:18] Incarnum: Thinking about it, theres nothing against the rules. Since he did not give up his nation, but to be fair: he lost it. I mean, as long as he didn't get compensation from nss after that.
  1392. [Sat 15:26:04] Honeycomb: If that's the case, then that's aggression against my alliance.
  1393. [Sat 15:27:04] Honeycomb: And seeing as how Nss seems to have funded Keymaster's attack before, that's now a second count.
  1394. [Sat 15:29:02] Honeycomb: But really, it's all semantics how you want to define it.
  1395. [Sat 15:50:30] DictatorDuck: So... no crusade?
  1396. [Sat 15:52:26] Keymaster: No duck, no crusade
  1397. [Sat 15:59:26] Incarnum: I can just imagine him being like. "Aww, alright ponies, scrable, I dont need this army anymore."
  1398. [Sat 18:56:52] Calamity: Key, you didnt even try defending 10 Navals. You might as well gave her that nation.
  1399. [Sat 20:12:33] Honeycomb: Technically that screencap isn't proof of any wrongdoing. Nicole could have sent a larger force and then disbanded all but 10 Naval.
  1400. [Sat 20:14:51] Calamity: Do you still keep your reports after losing your nation?
  1401. [Sat 20:24:14] Honeycomb: Even if you do, then we'd be putting these guys in the situation of proving their innocence, instead of the more proper "innocent until proven guilty" procedure.
  1402. [Sat 21:59:45] Hawaiian Slap: selling stupid cheap sugar, 10000 a unit on the market
  1403. [Sat 22:01:03] Honeycomb: dude you should have seen Myrami's sales on sugar, he went down to like 4k apiece
  1404. [Sat 22:02:47] Hawaiian Slap: what do you want for it then, I'll go as low as 2k a piece!
  1405. [Sat 22:05:07] Honeycomb: don't do that, friend. Keep the price reasonable, 10k is still relatively cheap.
  1406. [Sat 22:05:48] Hawaiian Slap: it's there for 2,000 a unit
  1407. [Sat 22:06:11] DictatorDuck: Times were better back when burros were desperately selling sugar for 5k regularly.
  1408. [Sat 22:06:56] Hawaiian Slap: was money desperate
  1409. [Sat 22:07:51] DictatorDuck: for burros it was.
  1410. [Sat 23:57:55] DictatorDuck: This market, how bad it is.
  1411. [Sun 00:22:11] NotASomepony: Rip oldfag
  1412. [Sun 00:35:26] DictatorDuck: I am no oldfag.
  1413. [Sun 00:35:54] DictatorDuck: Only one of your nations left...
  1414. [Sun 00:36:07] Honeycomb: wow, someone's full of himself
  1415. [Sun 00:36:17] Honeycomb: he's talkin' bout loft gardens
  1416. [Sun 00:39:15] DictatorDuck: Oh yea, Loft died too. Everyone's blowing up nowadays.
  1417. [Sun 00:40:01] DictatorDuck: I need to get an alert script like the oldfags.
  1418. [Sun 00:42:37] DictatorDuck: Now to sleep before an uneventful tomorrow....
  1419. [Sun 01:02:58] Keymaster: I'm sorry that I actually keep my promises to people.
  1420. [Sun 01:08:40] Honeycomb: Well, at least you're sorry.
  1421. [Sun 01:10:50] Keymaster: I'm not sure if that's genuine or if being mocked^^ but either way, if ya'll want cheaper sugar, i'm trying to sell cheaper.
  1422. [Sun 02:16:20] Schatten: Key, it doesn't matter what you promised, unfortunately. You aren't allowed to give away your last nation.
  1423. [Sun 09:28:18] DictatorDuck: Someone ought to take that nation from him.
  1424. [Sun 10:05:21] Incarnum: There is a difference between "taking" and "giving" tho :V I think that the Admin will figure this out and stuff tho.
  1425. [Sun 10:21:13] Incarnum: That moment, when you try to use Messages to send yourself a number to save and it says "Just use a paper or something."
  1426. [Sun 11:27:09] DictatorDuck: So much quiet, it'd be nice if there were a war or something.
  1427. [Sun 11:29:17] Keymaster: Yeah, and you guys attacking Nicole don't fucking help matters -_-
  1428. [Sun 11:29:54] Keymaster: If yall wanted an oil nation, go attack thk or myrami or some other newb God damn it.
  1429. [Sun 11:31:02] Keymaster: Duck, why are you attacking?
  1430. [Sun 11:33:42] Keymaster: Honey, why are you attacking?
  1431. [Sun 11:45:45] DictatorDuck: I do what must be done! I must deliver what badmin can't! Justice will prevail!
  1432. [Sun 11:46:42] Keymaster: And myrami will definitely kick your ass. Just saying.
  1433. [Sun 11:49:06] Honeycomb: this was some really illegal shit, and the way you carry yourself so nonchalantly about it is remarkable.
  1434. [Sun 11:50:08] Keymaster: I'm not always a hot-headed freak. As it stands, you are all trying to get your hands on the MOST over-powered saddle ever.
  1435. [Sun 11:51:14] Keymaster: And since I'm actually pretty tired on how no one accepts the fact that I do what I can to keep my word and help others, I'm on the verge of quitting so hard.
  1436. [Sun 11:54:39] Honeycomb: I'm always on the verge of quitting...
  1437. [Sun 11:55:20] DictatorDuck: ^ It hurts to have hard work blow up.
  1438. [Sun 11:57:03] DictatorDuck: Regardless, the rules have to be enforced, even if it is by the players. The return of nation building is the last thing this game needs.
  1439. [Sun 11:58:46] Honeycomb: I actually think the rule against nation-building should be struck, as it gives a niche for low-effort players and makes the balance of power more dynamic, also the rule is hard to enforce in ambiguous cases
  1440. [Sun 11:59:50] DictatorDuck: It'd take away newbie preying too.
  1441. [Sun 12:02:13] Honeycomb: so I have no problem in principle with this, it's just that it's so illegal, maybe if we can administer vigilante "justice" admin won't have any reason to get involved, since I'm sure he doesn't even a little bit want to ban either of you
  1442. [Sun 12:10:17] Keymaster: If he's not going to ban us, then he's going to lose two long standing players. Your actions determine this guy's ^^
  1443. [Sun 12:13:55] DictatorDuck: By acting, admin doesn'
  1444. [Sun 12:13:58] DictatorDuck: t have to
  1445. [Sun 12:31:44] Schatten: If he DOES ban you, he'll lose two long standing players.
  1446. [Sun 12:33:17] Schatten: And again, I respect you trying to keep your word, but the way you're trying to do it is forbidden. And since no one wants you banned, this might be a good solution to this, actually...
  1447. [Sun 12:39:55] Keymaster: Sorry, but by attacking Nicole, you'll lose her and me.
  1448. [Sun 12:43:04] Incarnum: Schatten do you need extra cheap ol?
  1449. [Sun 12:43:13] Incarnum: And you broke the rule keymaster, just deal with it :V
  1450. [Sun 12:45:46] Keymaster: I am xD
  1451. [Sun 12:48:01] Incarnum: Then accept the fact that people want justice and war is part of the game? XD
  1452. [Sun 12:52:44] Myrami: Keymaster, let this be a lesson to you. Don't make any promises you can't keep.
  1453. [Sun 12:55:00] Keymaster: But ... I did keep it though. You all just decided to get involved.
  1454. [Sun 13:05:04] Honeycomb: what you all didn't realize, is our true motives in all of this... bwahahaha...
  1455. [Sun 13:05:13] Honeycomb: This attack on Nicole...
  1456. [Sun 13:05:19] Honeycomb: It's a charity drive!
  1457. [Sun 13:05:37] Honeycomb: If you like what we're doing, send your support to Fluttershi! MAKE LOFT GARDENS GREAT AGAIN!
  1458. [Sun 13:10:46] Keymaster: And the market will still be shit^^
  1459. [Sun 14:14:41] Schatten: You couldn't keep your promise from within the rules. You decided you'd stretch them. That Duck would be successful in drumming up a crusade is surprising, but I guess >CLOP is starting to police itself again.^^
  1460. [Sun 14:15:33] Schatten: Which, on a meta level, is a good sign. Activity. Drama. The legendary lifeblood of >CLOP, rediscovered.^^
  1461. [Sun 14:16:58] Keymaster: but without players, there's no drama^^
  1462. [Sun 14:21:44] Incarnum: I am just thinking, what will happen to the market if a full sized war breaks out? Starvation to the nations who have no support from the outside and market being completely dry for starter nations only being fueled by other starter nations (And FFA)?
  1463. [Sun 14:32:23] DictatorDuck: This war should stay isolated.
  1464. [Sun 14:35:58] Schatten: Drama causes players to get more interested. If players leave because of it, that's not the drama's fault. Ideally, people still stay around and participate. It'd be sad to see you go.
  1465. [Sun 14:44:43] Incarnum: Drama action and bloodshed!
  1466. [Sun 14:45:11] NotASomepony: so much drama for a text-horse nation gaim
  1467. [Sun 14:46:52] Keymaster: It's kinda hard for players to stick around for drama when there's no players to tell other players about it
  1468. [Sun 14:47:58] Incarnum: I dont understand why Keymaster is so upset. Its literally players rebeling against him breaking the rules xD
  1469. [Sun 14:48:05] Schatten: Which is why this whole situation is a good one. There's attacking, and people are discussing it in chat, so other people know about it.
  1470. [Sun 14:59:28] Keymaster: I'm not rebelling. I'm just surprised that, EVEN AFTER NICOLE TALKED TO THE ADMIN OVER A MONTH AGO ABOUT THIS, yall still thing I am breaking the rules.
  1471. [Sun 15:00:08] Schatten: I didn't say you're rebelling.^^ Just discussing.
  1472. [Sun 15:00:15] Keymaster: Why not feast upon the newbs in FFA? It's not like they're doing anything anyways
  1473. [Sun 15:00:35] Schatten: And that admin knows about it is new for me. He didn't chime in, either. Nor did you post anything about it.
  1474. [Sun 15:01:07] Incarnum: I said others are rebelling, and you never mentioned the admin part. "layers rebeling against him"
  1475. [Sun 15:01:28] Keymaster: I thought I already brought that up earlier?? If not, there you go.
  1476. [Sun 15:02:07] Keymaster: I probably said that only on Skype
  1477. [Sun 15:02:41] Schatten: Fair enough. If admin gets here to tell us he's okay with it, that might just stop the attacks. Might. Then again, maybe admin WANTS the drama as well.
  1478. [Sun 15:03:01] Honeycomb: From a game-theoretical perspective, being backed into a corner where you have nothing left to lose is the perfect time to start making up lies to gain support.
  1479. [Sun 15:03:33] Incarnum: Lie extravagantly, that is part of the game xD
  1480. [Sun 15:03:37] Honeycomb: I'd say pics or it didn't happen, but of course this conveniently happened over a month ago, so I'm sure the messages will have been lost by now.
  1481. [Sun 15:04:17] Schatten: That's why I said admin could chime in. He can affirm, or deny. Without him, nothing really will change.
  1482. [Sun 15:04:44] Schatten: Although, for the record, I belive Key.
  1483. [Sun 15:05:13] Schatten: Or rather, I believe that Nicky would talk this out with admin beforehand.
  1484. [Sun 15:14:11] Myrami: All the players who are sending troops under the pretense of enforcing rules are just looking for an excuse to conquer some nations.
  1485. [Sun 15:14:18] Myrami: Keep telling yourselves that you're the good guys. I know I did this during every war I fought. :P
  1486. [Sun 15:20:15] Schatten: Well, that too.
  1487. [Sun 15:20:18] Schatten: ^^
  1488. [Sun 15:22:29] Honeycomb: Hah, yeah. Dictator's a little more up front about it than I am, but any excuse for a land grab is a good excuse.
  1489. [Sun 15:23:25] Honeycomb: ...I-I mean, w-whaaat? This is about the rule of law! Without laws, you don't have a game! We're upholding fundamental principles here!
  1490. [Sun 15:30:47] Incarnum: FOK DA POLICE! PONIES TO ARMS! *throws paper balls at Honeycomb*
  1491. [Sun 15:37:10] Incarnum: Is it just me, or is this war thing hurting me slightly? XD 2016-02-13 16:21:32 Is the (server) time of my last oil sell. Thats almost full 12 ticks! (It will be 12 in 20 minutes)
  1492. [Sun 15:37:32] Incarnum: Though I'm not runing starving.
  1493. [Sun 16:08:04] Incarnum: Aaaaand its official, 24 hours with out income from the market!
  1494. [Sun 16:58:49] Incarnum: That moment when you reached the market cap xD
  1495. [Sun 17:30:29] NotASomepony: What a great valentines day on >CLOP ^^
  1496. [Sun 17:33:36] Incarnum: Admin i found a bug. When you revert from independance to democracy you must lose 2k satisfaction. I lost only 1k.
  1497. [Sun 18:01:33] Admin: Fixing now.
  1498. [Sun 18:01:38] Admin: I just scrolled up and read all this shit.
  1499. [Sun 18:01:56] Admin: You are not allowed to say, to anyone, ever, "you may have my last nation"
  1500. [Sun 18:03:10] Admin: Keymaster's nationless so it looks like the problem did in fact get solved by the players
  1501. [Sun 18:03:50] Schatten: Huh? That was the thing though: Nicky having taken his nation.
  1502. [Sun 18:04:23] Schatten: It wasn't about him saying he'd do, but that he did.
  1503. [Sun 18:05:33] Schatten: Oh wait, you mean Nss4fun? What a shame... :(
  1504. [Sun 18:05:56] Admin: okay yeah I'm a bit confused
  1505. [Sun 18:06:06] Admin: keymaster made an agreement for someone to get his last nation
  1506. [Sun 18:06:10] Admin: that's really not allowed
  1507. [Sun 18:06:40] Admin: and of course I can't prove that the people taking the nations NOW didn't have a hand in this and this isn't some big-ass conspiracy to trick me
  1508. [Sun 18:06:52] Admin: but that's the way the pony clops
  1509. [Sun 18:07:05] Schatten: Heh.^^
  1510. [Sun 18:07:35] Admin: also I think I need to trim down my script or some shit because chat's becoming hard to read
  1511. [Sun 18:07:53] Schatten: Well, seems like they ragequit. It's sad to see two more oldfags go...
  1512. [Sun 18:13:34] Admin shrugs
  1513. [Sun 18:14:06] Incarnum: The chat has troubles loading
  1514. [Sun 18:14:07] Admin: Invite. New. Players. And welcome the ones you get (rather than treating them as farms)
  1515. [Sun 18:14:14] Admin: Incarnum: I know. Working on it now
  1516. [Sun 18:14:19] Incarnum: Thankies!
  1517. [Sun 18:14:24] Incarnum: I thoguht its just my lack of ram XD
  1518. [Sun 18:14:27] Admin: There's just too much script working on too many messages
  1519. [Sun 18:14:27] Incarnum: I was worried for a moment.
  1520. [Sun 18:14:37] Incarnum: I'll dial down the spam then. o3o
  1521. [Sun 18:14:54] Incarnum: (Oh and remove 1k sat from me, because of that bug with sat)
  1522. [Sun 18:15:12] Admin: you reported it so I won't for you
  1523. [Sun 18:15:19] Admin: I'm fixing that one too
  1524. [Sun 18:15:26] Incarnum: *shrug* Its just 500 cupcakes XD
  1525. [Sun 18:15:34] Admin: see the problem, will test shortly
  1526. [Sun 18:15:59] Incarnum: I think you of all people could "make" yourself a nation to test that and instantly remove it XD
  1527. [Sun 18:16:45] Admin: I have a test server for this shit
  1528. [Sun 18:16:52] Admin: going to do a quick fix for the chat first
  1529. [Sun 18:17:01] Incarnum: test.clop.us ?
  1530. [Sun 18:17:14] Incarnum: or momentum.cc? XD
  1531. [Sun 18:17:23] Incarnum: I once got redirected to momentum.cc for some reason
  1532. [Sun 18:17:37] Admin: what?
  1533. [Sun 18:17:42] Admin: test.clop.us is not a valid url
  1534. [Sun 18:17:49] Incarnum: *shrug*
  1535. [Sun 18:17:51] Incarnum: was a wild guess
  1536. [Sun 18:18:04] Admin: it's actually /testclop/
  1537. [Sun 18:18:06] Incarnum: Usually people who hold sites use the same site with test. before the initial url instead of www
  1538. [Sun 18:18:08] Incarnum: XD
  1539. [Sun 18:18:41] Incarnum: Well, the people i know anyways! And momentum.cc is your site too. But it has some sort of google security issue.
  1540. [Sun 18:18:43] Admin tests a chat JS on the live server
  1541. [Sun 18:18:49] Admin: no it's not my site
  1542. [Sun 18:18:55] Admin: it's on my host's server
  1543. [Sun 18:18:56] Incarnum: But its clop
  1544. [Sun 18:19:00] Incarnum: with my account
  1545. [Sun 18:19:05] Incarnum: Ohhh
  1546. [Sun 18:19:08] Incarnum: I get it now
  1547. [Sun 18:19:12] Incarnum: So clop.us is a mask?
  1548. [Sun 18:19:19] Incarnum: momentum.cc is the actual URL?
  1549. [Sun 18:19:32] Admin sighs
  1550. [Sun 18:19:35] Admin: No
  1551. [Sun 18:19:41] Incarnum: I dont know how this shit works XD
  1552. [Sun 18:19:42] Admin: momentum.cc has absolutely nothing to do with me
  1553. [Sun 18:19:49] Admin: where the fuck did you even get momentum.cc from
  1554. [Sun 18:20:20] Incarnum: here
  1555. [Sun 18:20:28] Admin: you said you got redirected? HOW?
  1556. [Sun 18:20:30] Incarnum: http://puu.sh/n8d13.png
  1557. [Sun 18:20:34] Admin: has this happened to anyone else?
  1558. [Sun 18:20:34] Incarnum: I dont remember
  1559. [Sun 18:20:38] Incarnum: I was googling >Clop
  1560. [Sun 18:20:40] Incarnum: a friend invited me
  1561. [Sun 18:20:44] Incarnum: and i got to that site somehow
  1562. [Sun 18:20:56] Admin: What the FUCK?
  1563. [Sun 18:21:01] Honeycomb: >big ass conspiracy to trick me
  1564. [Sun 18:21:02] Incarnum: I dont know
  1565. [Sun 18:21:10] Incarnum: but i can login there
  1566. [Sun 18:21:15] Incarnum: with my actual account
  1567. [Sun 18:21:20] Incarnum: and itll be the same
  1568. [Sun 18:21:27] Incarnum: I thougt you knew about that shit XD
  1569. [Sun 18:21:58] Incarnum: Also chat isn't lagigng anymore
  1570. [Sun 18:22:19] Admin: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I see what's gone wrong
  1571. [Sun 18:22:37] Admin: this host is shit when it comes to secure sites
  1572. [Sun 18:22:50] Incarnum: Um .w.
  1573. [Sun 18:22:52] Admin: if momentum.cc doesn't have its own secure site it can easily redirect TO ME
  1574. [Sun 18:22:53] Incarnum: I do good? XD
  1575. [Sun 18:22:59] Admin: like my site once did
  1576. [Sun 18:23:17] Incarnum: Well, I hope that info helps! Somehow!
  1577. [Sun 18:23:20] Admin: a while ago https://clop.us redirected to SOME OTHER site before I set up a self-signed cert
  1578. [Sun 18:23:21] Incarnum: I dont think its bad that you know XD
  1579. [Sun 18:23:29] Admin: it does help, it does indeed
  1580. [Sun 18:23:29] Incarnum: Ohhhh
  1581. [Sun 18:23:34] Incarnum: Yay!
  1582. [Sun 18:23:38] Incarnum: Mu nosy shit helps!
  1583. [Sun 18:23:41] Incarnum: my*
  1584. [Sun 18:23:57] Incarnum: Glad I could be of service? XD
  1585. [Sun 18:24:11] Admin: yes thank you :D
  1586. [Sun 18:24:14] Admin: I need to talk to my host
  1587. [Sun 18:24:23] Admin: but first I need to do the fix for independence -> democracy
  1588. [Sun 18:24:52] Admin: also yeah I fixed the chat by removing some useless testing to see if something was there before doing find/replace
  1589. [Sun 18:24:53] Incarnum: Oh i had a question to you or any player who can answer
  1590. [Sun 18:24:57] Admin: test
  1591. [Sun 18:25:03] herrHilter: okay, so i've been missing out on a lot of drama... Nicole and Keymaster imploded? Suicide?
  1592. [Sun 18:25:09] Incarnum: Whats the formula of how much stuff i can place on market?
  1593. [Sun 18:25:28] Honeycomb: Nicole burned her nations to keep me and Duck from getting them.
  1594. [Sun 18:25:33] Incarnum: lol
  1595. [Sun 18:25:48] herrHilter: Lol pretty sure that isn't allowed?
  1596. [Sun 18:26:07] Incarnum: Exactly
  1597. [Sun 18:26:09] Incarnum: thats rule #4
  1598. [Sun 18:26:13] Incarnum: i just looked it up :o
  1599. [Sun 18:26:15] Admin: It's not
  1600. [Sun 18:26:35] Honeycomb: It's not. And our attack was prompted by Keymaster giving Nicole his nation, which is also not allowed.
  1601. [Sun 18:26:41] Admin: but seeing as how those nations were only being attacked because they violated rule 4 in a different way
  1602. [Sun 18:26:42] herrHilter: too bad we lost keymaster's old nation then... i poured some resources into getting that built :(
  1603. [Sun 18:26:47] Admin: I'm gonna call this whole thing a push
  1604. [Sun 18:27:04] Incarnum: Basically
  1605. [Sun 18:27:07] Incarnum: The problem solved itself
  1606. [Sun 18:27:13] Incarnum: The nation was transfered unfair
  1607. [Sun 18:27:15] Incarnum: And was exploded
  1608. [Sun 18:27:23] herrHilter: I guess vigilante justice prevails once again :p
  1609. [Sun 18:27:23] DictatorDuck: The rulebreaking was more of an excuse to attack.
  1610. [Sun 18:27:24] Incarnum: So, all tip top?
  1611. [Sun 18:27:35] Honeycomb: Only thing that changed is Duck lost Grypha, from forgetting to disable production.
  1612. [Sun 18:27:47] Incarnum: *slowly claps*
  1613. [Sun 18:27:50] Incarnum: Though
  1614. [Sun 18:27:55] Incarnum: THat was my only competition in the oil market
  1615. [Sun 18:28:14] Incarnum: Myrami lets me sell and doesn't outbid me XD
  1616. [Sun 18:28:28] Incarnum: for now anyways
  1617. [Sun 18:28:43] herrHilter: inb4 Oil monopoly, oil prices soar and nations without stockpile collapse left and right
  1618. [Sun 18:28:48] Incarnum: Wait, dictator is still there
  1619. [Sun 18:28:49] Incarnum: Damn.
  1620. [Sun 18:29:00] Incarnum: It was like that with sugar
  1621. [Sun 18:29:03] Incarnum: WHen sugar was 24k a tick
  1622. [Sun 18:29:08] Incarnum: I was almost destroyed 3 times
  1623. [Sun 18:29:11] Incarnum: in 1 week
  1624. [Sun 18:29:20] Incarnum: Thats where I swapped aliances xD
  1625. [Sun 18:29:27] Incarnum: from FFA to FC
  1626. [Sun 18:29:27] herrHilter: i know, you bought loads of my coffee i believe
  1627. [Sun 18:29:33] Incarnum: mhm
  1628. [Sun 18:29:35] Incarnum: First it was coffe
  1629. [Sun 18:29:37] Incarnum: then sugar twice
  1630. [Sun 18:29:45] Incarnum: i killed off my malls so.
  1631. [Sun 18:29:58] Incarnum: Im going to be oil production instead of GDP oiiented nation for now
  1632. [Sun 18:30:07] herrHilter: there aren't many of us left now, so in cases of emergency asking chat is a viable option
  1633. [Sun 18:30:17] Incarnum: Though being first place in GDP and funding bits to the market felt nice
  1634. [Sun 18:30:22] Incarnum: but the inflation from that killed me xD
  1635. [Sun 18:30:31] Incarnum: People got greedy
  1636. [Sun 18:30:34] Incarnum: HIghered the prices
  1637. [Sun 18:30:36] herrHilter: i know, that's what i'm experiencing right now ^^
  1638. [Sun 18:30:40] DictatorDuck: So... do I get a nation Admin?
  1639. [Sun 18:30:52] Incarnum: if you need oil i can get you some for a cheap price
  1640. [Sun 18:31:00] Incarnum: my stocks are suffering inflation xD
  1641. [Sun 18:31:01] herrHilter: why would you get a nation?
  1642. [Sun 18:31:09] Admin: you sploded your own nation, you get nothing, you lose, good day sir
  1643. [Sun 18:31:23] Incarnum: xD
  1644. [Sun 18:31:26] Admin: ^.^
  1645. [Sun 18:31:33] Incarnum: That phrase was amazing
  1646. [Sun 18:31:34] herrHilter: ouch...
  1647. [Sun 18:31:38] DictatorDuck: but they blew up with an army attacking
  1648. [Sun 18:31:39] Incarnum: YOU LOSE SIR!
  1649. [Sun 18:32:02] Admin: you're responsible for taking care of your own shit
  1650. [Sun 18:32:07] DictatorDuck: Oi, I still have an army with nothing to do.
  1651. [Sun 18:32:09] Admin: sorry man
  1652. [Sun 18:32:13] herrHilter: the armies our alliance made were also sent in vain, you don't hear us complain?
  1653. [Sun 18:32:24] Honeycomb: Also, Duck's target was Borg Storm, which wasn't nation-built. So he has a better claim to getting compensation than I do.
  1654. [Sun 18:32:28] Admin: I know this game is harsh
  1655. [Sun 18:32:34] Admin: But it's designed to make you all band together
  1656. [Sun 18:32:44] Admin: Which it seems to have done, fucking finally
  1657. [Sun 18:32:53] DictatorDuck: Regardless of my sploded nation, they blew up with an army attacking. What makes this case any different?
  1658. [Sun 18:32:53] Incarnum: xD
  1659. [Sun 18:33:09] herrHilter: >Clop is just one huge, long term social experiment
  1660. [Sun 18:33:15] Incarnum: Admin just for the
  1661. [Sun 18:33:20] Incarnum: Is it possible
  1662. [Sun 18:33:25] Incarnum: To attack AND defend a nation?
  1663. [Sun 18:33:26] Admin: Actually, that IS a valid thing - for you to get the target nation of someone who broke rule 4 by ragequitting
  1664. [Sun 18:33:35] Admin: Incarnum: No. There's code to prevent it.
  1665. [Sun 18:33:42] Incarnum: Aw.
  1666. [Sun 18:33:45] Incarnum: That'd be op
  1667. [Sun 18:33:48] Incarnum: Leveling up your army
  1668. [Sun 18:33:50] Incarnum: Every battle tick
  1669. [Sun 18:33:53] Incarnum: Instead of midnight
  1670. [Sun 18:34:03] Incarnum: Send a force you want to level up, vs a 1 size army
  1671. [Sun 18:34:16] Incarnum: The one to level up is to be defense
  1672. [Sun 18:34:19] DictatorDuck: not really since every built up nation has 20 barracks
  1673. [Sun 18:34:23] Incarnum: Hm...
  1674. [Sun 18:34:29] Incarnum: Not me Q.Q
  1675. [Sun 18:34:34] Admin: yeah leveling up doesn't work that way
  1676. [Sun 18:34:36] Incarnum: I bet i could.
  1677. [Sun 18:34:42] Incarnum: Isn't it every battle tick
  1678. [Sun 18:34:45] Incarnum: and every midnight?
  1679. [Sun 18:34:50] Admin: anyway duck were you the biggest attacker, or the only attacker, of Borg Storm?
  1680. [Sun 18:35:01] Admin: do you know if ANYONE else was attacking? this is important
  1681. [Sun 18:35:05] Incarnum: He was the biggest. I think.
  1682. [Sun 18:35:09] Incarnum: I think myrami atatcked
  1683. [Sun 18:35:15] DictatorDuck: only attacker that I know of
  1684. [Sun 18:35:19] Incarnum: Myrami mentioned it in notes
  1685. [Sun 18:35:31] Admin: What did you attack with?
  1686. [Sun 18:35:34] herrHilter: wow, how many people were involved in these vigilante actions?
  1687. [Sun 18:35:38] Incarnum: Oh no
  1688. [Sun 18:35:39] DictatorDuck: Nss specifically messaged me begging for mercy
  1689. [Sun 18:35:43] Incarnum: Myrami attacked Lisa
  1690. [Sun 18:35:47] Incarnum: " By the way, if you want to make some war, send some troops to Limsa Lominsa (http://clop.us/viewnation.php?nation_id=725). Apparently there are quite a few players who are attacking that nation at the moment. It would be nice if our alliance could get i
  1691. [Sun 18:36:06] Incarnum: But we didn't
  1692. [Sun 18:36:08] Incarnum: Since it exploded
  1693. [Sun 18:36:09] Admin: Okay, then, Duck: You get a North Burrozil.
  1694. [Sun 18:36:18] DictatorDuck: yay!
  1695. [Sun 18:36:19] Incarnum: Lucky xD
  1696. [Sun 18:36:22] Admin: Because that's what it was.
  1697. [Sun 18:36:25] Honeycomb: I had 3200 going to Limsa Lominsa. Duck had 3500 going to Borg Storm.
  1698. [Sun 18:36:43] Honeycomb: And he also had 700 going to Limsa.
  1699. [Sun 18:37:22] Admin: Hmm
  1700. [Sun 18:37:35] Admin: yeah even those the nations were built...
  1701. [Sun 18:37:43] vinylsnapz: i was going to send 2700 too, i was sending it to a another burro first ;~;
  1702. [Sun 18:38:03] Honeycomb: like I say I do think Duck has a stronger case than I do for compensation, since it was nation-built and all
  1703. [Sun 18:38:15] Honeycomb: plus maybe there was a larger attacker
  1704. [Sun 18:38:17] Incarnum: Agreed.
  1705. [Sun 18:38:25] Incarnum: Limsa was cheated and should not be refunded!
  1706. [Sun 18:38:25] Admin: Was anyone attacking Keymaster's nation? Or did Keymaster blow it up before age 21
  1707. [Sun 18:38:41] DictatorDuck: I was focusing on Borg Storm, my other army was to support Honeycomb
  1708. [Sun 18:38:45] herrHilter: Yeah the people in CCCP were not happy when we learned we helped Keymaster build a nation he just gave away
  1709. [Sun 18:38:55] Honeycomb: You mean Grrrrrrrk? That's like a day old.
  1710. [Sun 18:38:59] Incarnum: It was before 21
  1711. [Sun 18:39:07] Admin: yeah Honeycomb that's what I thought
  1712. [Sun 18:39:16] Admin: so there's two nations here: the built one, and the unbuilt one
  1713. [Sun 18:39:22] Admin: gonna compensate Dictator for the unbuilt one
  1714. [Sun 18:39:23] Incarnum: Its not in the graveyard -> its not 21
  1715. [Sun 18:39:29] Admin: graveyard is a month
  1716. [Sun 18:39:37] Incarnum: Oh right.
  1717. [Sun 18:39:39] Incarnum: Thats not the same
  1718. [Sun 18:40:36] Incarnum: 39... I feel like a total noob xD (that i am)
  1719. [Sun 18:42:17] Incarnum: I'll ask again. Is there a formula of how much stuff i can place on market?
  1720. [Sun 18:42:41] Admin: in the seller's market? no
  1721. [Sun 18:42:46] Admin: the buyer's market does have a formula yes
  1722. [Sun 18:42:56] Incarnum: Whats the buyers then?
  1723. [Sun 18:42:58] Admin: forget what it is, it's pretty big
  1724. [Sun 18:43:04] Incarnum: XD
  1725. [Sun 18:43:23] Incarnum: Since buyers usually used for 1k items i can pretty much put up so much, that inflation will kill the resource before i will be not allowed to buy? XD
  1726. [Sun 18:43:50] Admin: 200 million + (the sum of your current funds divided by 10)
  1727. [Sun 18:43:56] Incarnum: and i noticed my sellers grew from 50088 to 50101 from last tick.
  1728. [Sun 18:44:08] Admin: like if you have a billion bits you can put 300 million on the buyer's market
  1729. [Sun 18:44:15] Incarnum: Ah.
  1730. [Sun 18:44:18] Incarnum: Okies.
  1731. [Sun 18:44:25] Honeycomb: I'm getting 55622 and I have 562.2 M bits
  1732. [Sun 18:44:30] Incarnum: So its not GDP related?
  1733. [Sun 18:44:46] Admin: No, it's WEALTH related
  1734. [Sun 18:44:48] Incarnum: but the bits themselves?
  1735. [Sun 18:44:50] Admin: Sorry, my head's being silly
  1736. [Sun 18:44:53] Incarnum: Kay!
  1737. [Sun 18:44:58] Admin: Of course there's a seller's market formula
  1738. [Sun 18:45:01] Incarnum: Nono- that makes total sense.
  1739. [Sun 18:45:06] Incarnum: And its complicated, isn't it?
  1740. [Sun 18:45:18] Admin: 50000 + (Your total funds / 100000)
  1741. [Sun 18:45:21] Admin: for each item
  1742. [Sun 18:45:31] Admin: is how much of one thing you can stick on the seller's market
  1743. [Sun 18:45:44] Admin: These numbers are for resources btw
  1744. [Sun 18:45:49] Admin: weapons and armor are slightly different
  1745. [Sun 18:45:51] Incarnum: Ah. So more GDP (SInce I'll have more bits next tick) = more items illl be able to sell next tick.
  1746. [Sun 18:46:01] Incarnum: i bet its like
  1747. [Sun 18:46:05] Incarnum: 500 and 2000
  1748. [Sun 18:46:06] Admin: Well, yeah. But it's TOTAL BITS you have.
  1749. [Sun 18:46:10] Incarnum: for sellers buyers
  1750. [Sun 18:46:11] Admin: weapons and armor are the same
  1751. [Sun 18:46:15] Admin: and it's way higher
  1752. [Sun 18:46:22] Incarnum: Oh higher? XD
  1753. [Sun 18:46:23] Admin: err not higher than resources
  1754. [Sun 18:46:38] Admin: the numbers on seller's market are 10000 and 200000
  1755. [Sun 18:46:55] Admin: buyer's, 100M + funds/10
  1756. [Sun 18:47:04] Admin: so somewhat smaller than resources but not a lot
  1757. [Sun 18:47:12] Admin: never heard of anyone hitting these caps so it doesn't matter
  1758. [Sun 18:47:19] Incarnum: ON weapons?
  1759. [Sun 18:47:24] Incarnum: Does anyone even use it
  1760. [Sun 18:47:29] Incarnum: beyond emergency trade in aliance
  1761. [Sun 18:47:30] Admin: yeah
  1762. [Sun 18:47:34] Admin: ^
  1763. [Sun 18:47:46] Incarnum: thats the only way i used mine XD
  1764. [Sun 18:47:51] Incarnum: 3 damn times XD
  1765. [Sun 18:47:58] Incarnum: but heck i made it! :D
  1766. [Sun 18:48:16] Incarnum: The last time, I was a sure gonner if not for schatten who gave me help the last possible tick.
  1767. [Sun 18:48:51] Admin: Duck, you're a Client so of course your new nation is a Client
  1768. [Sun 18:49:04] Incarnum: Oh and admin or anyone who uses client.
  1769. [Sun 18:49:09] Incarnum: Is it even smart to use it?
  1770. [Sun 18:49:17] Incarnum: I for one see no use in it, since im not interested in superpowers
  1771. [Sun 18:49:25] Admin: Somewhat. It's low-maintenance.
  1772. [Sun 18:49:31] Incarnum: i used oil to get myself the sat with them.
  1773. [Sun 18:49:34] Admin: It's actualy FOR people who don't want to worry about superpowers.
  1774. [Sun 18:49:43] Admin: *actually
  1775. [Sun 18:49:49] Incarnum: I dont worry lol
  1776. [Sun 18:50:00] Incarnum: My super powers are on +0 at all times
  1777. [Sun 18:50:05] Incarnum: with minimal sun worship centers
  1778. [Sun 18:50:14] Admin: That's the right way to do it
  1779. [Sun 18:50:36] Incarnum: I just used oil - bought all 10 fascilities - drugs
  1780. [Sun 18:50:44] Admin: Wise
  1781. [Sun 18:50:48] Admin: Seriously, that was SMART
  1782. [Sun 18:50:48] DictatorDuck: Lunar client is very viable!
  1783. [Sun 18:51:10] Incarnum: That sounds like sarcasm when you put it like that admin xD
  1784. [Sun 18:51:15] Admin: it's not sarcasm
  1785. [Sun 18:51:17] Admin: really
  1786. [Sun 18:51:24] Incarnum: Also I'll laugh if one of the noobs is secretly admin
  1787. [Sun 18:51:25] Admin: that's the right way to do it because you're solving problems before they start
  1788. [Sun 18:51:28] Incarnum: to see how much we bully them...
  1789. [Sun 18:51:29] Admin shakes his head
  1790. [Sun 18:51:40] Admin: I've never smurfed my own game. Although I've thought about it, I won't
  1791. [Sun 18:51:42] Incarnum: XD
  1792. [Sun 18:51:52] Incarnum: You of all people
  1793. [Sun 18:51:54] Incarnum: can easilly do it
  1794. [Sun 18:51:56] Incarnum: And not get busted
  1795. [Sun 18:51:59] Incarnum: since IP
  1796. [Sun 18:52:01] Admin: I COULD, but again - I won't
  1797. [Sun 18:52:03] Incarnum: Only you see it
  1798. [Sun 18:52:19] Honeycomb: Wasn't "Myra is Admin" a meme some time ago?
  1799. [Sun 18:52:23] Admin: Of course I'd follow the rules if I did, I don't consider this account a player account since I DON'T INTERACT with the market
  1800. [Sun 18:52:25] Admin: lol
  1801. [Sun 18:52:39] Admin: I literally cheat in all my shit on this account
  1802. [Sun 18:52:39] Incarnum: You of all people
  1803. [Sun 18:52:46] Incarnum: are allowed to use anything
  1804. [Sun 18:52:54] Incarnum: As long as you dont shit the market XD
  1805. [Sun 18:52:57] Admin: :D
  1806. [Sun 18:53:01] Incarnum: THat will just ruin it for your players
  1807. [Sun 18:53:04] Incarnum: and you dont want that
  1808. [Sun 18:53:08] Incarnum: coz you're nice
  1809. [Sun 18:53:17] Admin: I mean I don't interact with the market to the point that I accidentally bought 1 coffee from it thinking I was on the test server
  1810. [Sun 18:53:30] Incarnum: OMG
  1811. [Sun 18:53:31] Incarnum: REPORTED
  1812. [Sun 18:53:32] Admin: and I sold that 1 coffee at the same price immediately
  1813. [Sun 18:53:34] Incarnum: HOW COULD YOu
  1814. [Sun 18:53:42] Incarnum: what about the fee!?
  1815. [Sun 18:53:45] Admin: and of course someone bought it because admincoffee lol
  1816. [Sun 18:53:47] Incarnum: did you think of the fee!?
  1817. [Sun 18:54:02] Incarnum: I want some admincoffee...
  1818. [Sun 18:54:07] Incarnum: i bet it tastes great
  1819. [Sun 18:54:09] Admin: the buyer and seller both paid the same fee as they would have with a direct transaction :P
  1820. [Sun 18:54:11] Incarnum: Place 1 piece of coffee
  1821. [Sun 18:54:11] Honeycomb: Island of Admintopia NPC nations when?
  1822. [Sun 18:54:14] Incarnum: for the bit cap+1
  1823. [Sun 18:54:29] Incarnum: and have it there forever
  1824. [Sun 18:54:29] Admin: the bit cap is actually an sql restriction iirc
  1825. [Sun 18:54:30] Incarnum: XD
  1826. [Sun 18:54:44] Incarnum: That said nothing to me .w.
  1827. [Sun 18:54:45] Admin: it's really fucking stupidly high and of course I could make it higher
  1828. [Sun 18:55:00] Admin: I forget what it even is
  1829. [Sun 18:55:04] Incarnum: I meant like. You can edit the int of the sale
  1830. [Sun 18:55:09] Incarnum: to make the price go beyond the bit cap
  1831. [Sun 18:55:14] Incarnum: with our rasising the bit cap right?
  1832. [Sun 18:55:28] Admin: I'm saying that I CAN'T because I'm pretty sure the bit cap is a function of the *data type*
  1833. [Sun 18:55:40] Admin: it's been too long since I've messed with the guts enough to say for sure
  1834. [Sun 18:55:41] Incarnum: Dont touch the bit cap!
  1835. [Sun 18:55:48] Admin: I won't
  1836. [Sun 18:55:50] Incarnum: Touch the value of the sale
  1837. [Sun 18:55:55] Incarnum: for that 1 admin coffee
  1838. [Sun 18:56:02] Admin: again: that's not possible
  1839. [Sun 18:56:06] Incarnum: Ah
  1840. [Sun 18:56:08] Incarnum: I wouldn't know XD
  1841. [Sun 18:56:11] Incarnum: That would be funny
  1842. [Sun 18:56:15] Admin: I'm saying it's determined *by the data type*
  1843. [Sun 18:56:16] Incarnum: Admin coffee bitcap+1
  1844. [Sun 18:56:19] Incarnum: You can't have it
  1845. [Sun 18:56:41] Admin: like you're asking me to make a value within a 2^31 (although it's higher than that) space that's ABOVE 2.147whateveritis billion
  1846. [Sun 18:56:55] Admin: can't be done, as in math
  1847. [Sun 18:57:08] Incarnum: weltlhen
  1848. [Sun 18:57:22] Incarnum: OH!
  1849. [Sun 18:57:24] Admin refreshes the page after talking so much
  1850. [Sun 18:57:26] Incarnum: Whats the bit inflation rate?
  1851. [Sun 18:57:29] Admin: yeah I'm really glad I unfucked the chat.js
  1852. [Sun 18:57:36] Admin: lemme check
  1853. [Sun 18:57:43] Incarnum: it starts inflating after 10xGDP?
  1854. [Sun 18:57:45] Admin: it doesn't work AT ALL on anything below 500M I'll start with that
  1855. [Sun 18:57:49] Admin: no 500M is hardcoded
  1856. [Sun 18:57:59] Incarnum: Yea
  1857. [Sun 18:58:02] Honeycomb: it's a 500th of what you have over 500M bits.
  1858. [Sun 18:58:04] Incarnum: I had 57million GDP
  1859. [Sun 18:58:19] Incarnum: and it started to fall around 550million
  1860. [Sun 18:58:20] Admin: What Honeycomb said.
  1861. [Sun 18:58:30] Incarnum: oh
  1862. [Sun 18:58:37] Incarnum: So.
  1863. [Sun 18:58:52] Incarnum: x/500 (if over 500kk) x- your current bits?
  1864. [Sun 18:58:55] Admin: Tax = (Your funds - 500000000) / 500
  1865. [Sun 18:58:59] Incarnum: or
  1866. [Sun 18:59:19] Admin: so if you have 500,000,001 bits... you get taxed 1 bit (because it rounds up)
  1867. [Sun 18:59:20] Incarnum: (x-500kk)/500 if over 500k?
  1868. [Sun 18:59:26] Incarnum: oh
  1869. [Sun 18:59:28] Incarnum: okay i get it
  1870. [Sun 18:59:36] Incarnum: the first one
  1871. [Sun 19:00:08] Incarnum: wait. oh i
  1872. [Sun 19:00:12] Incarnum: I'm stupid its the second one XD
  1873. [Sun 19:00:19] Admin: it's like american tax brackets, you only get taxed the higher rate on what you made ABOVE that rate
  1874. [Sun 19:00:25] Incarnum: Admin you're better at thiss explaining than I am at understanding
  1875. [Sun 19:00:34] Admin: here, you don't get taxed anything about 500M and you get a flat tax on anything above it
  1876. [Sun 19:00:38] Admin: *anything below 500M
  1877. [Sun 19:00:49] Incarnum: so tax can't make me go bellow 500m
  1878. [Sun 19:00:55] Incarnum: even if my GDP turns into 1
  1879. [Sun 19:01:34] Admin: Correct
  1880. [Sun 19:01:49] Incarnum: Okies. Makes sense.
  1881. [Sun 19:01:56] Honeycomb: can I get a confirmation that I'm not getting compensation for Limsa, or is that still an open question?
  1882. [Sun 19:02:20] Incarnum: It was nation built, so you're not (?) I think we discussed that above
  1883. [Sun 19:02:20] Admin: You're not. It was nation built and the general consensus seems to be that it'd be a bad idea
  1884. [Sun 19:02:35] Honeycomb: Okay, thank you.
  1885. [Sun 19:02:43] Incarnum: ANYWAYS
  1886. [Sun 19:02:50] Incarnum: The formula to how much i can have in my stoock is
  1887. [Sun 19:03:02] Incarnum: 50k+1/1000th of my funds?
  1888. [Sun 19:03:29] Incarnum: i had to send some sugar into sellers market because of loss xD
  1889. [Sun 19:03:36] Admin: + 1/100,000th
  1890. [Sun 19:03:47] Incarnum: oh i was 2 0's off XD
  1891. [Sun 19:03:56] Incarnum: so 1 million = +10 space
  1892. [Sun 19:04:20] Incarnum: Thats... what you just said. /)_-
  1893. [Sun 19:04:46] Admin: yup
  1894. [Sun 19:04:55] Incarnum: And the inflation is same as bits?
  1895. [Sun 19:05:02] Incarnum: like 1/500 of above cap?
  1896. [Sun 19:05:16] Admin: also honeycomb if you want to push the issue I think you might have a claim... this really isn't precedented
  1897. [Sun 19:05:22] Admin: so I'm not really sure how to rule here
  1898. [Sun 19:05:29] Admin: it's rule 4 getting fucked in half
  1899. [Sun 19:05:34] Incarnum: Use a ruler.
  1900. [Sun 19:05:36] Incarnum: Badumtss.
  1901. [Sun 19:06:19] Admin: Yeah for resources it's (Resource total - 50K) / 500
  1902. [Sun 19:06:39] Incarnum: oh
  1903. [Sun 19:06:41] Incarnum: For resources
  1904. [Sun 19:06:49] Incarnum: Does it include the extra space from my funds?
  1905. [Sun 19:06:55] Honeycomb: Given that I have a few hundred troops on the way to Eps, who seems to have burned his buildings around age 20 and gone into autostasis from inactivity... I feel like I can live without Limsa.
  1906. [Sun 19:07:00] Incarnum: so x-50010 if i have 1 million?
  1907. [Sun 19:07:07] Honeycomb: But it would be an interesting legal argument if someone wanted to make it.
  1908. [Sun 19:07:45] DictatorDuck: Regardless of how it was obtained, Honeycomb was attacking a nation that was then blown up. Not giving compensation gives an inconsistent precedent.
  1909. [Sun 19:08:06] Incarnum: because THEORETICALLY. if i have extra 10k space, and it still counts from my 50k and not my total 60k 1/500 of 10k is pretty much big.
  1910. [Sun 19:08:21] Admin: Actually, Honeycomb: I WILL give you the nation. Because it wasn't really NSS's - it was Keymaster's.
  1911. [Sun 19:08:36] Admin: Central Saddle Arabia, it was.
  1912. [Sun 19:08:50] Incarnum: Limsa will be alive? o3o Welp, perhaps Honeycomb may become a target now xD
  1913. [Sun 19:08:56] DictatorDuck: I believe it was north actually
  1914. [Sun 19:09:07] Incarnum: Let me check
  1915. [Sun 19:09:12] Admin: DNA - Central Saddle Arabia
  1916. [Sun 19:09:19] Incarnum: I can't XD
  1917. [Sun 19:09:28] Admin: and incarnum
  1918. [Sun 19:09:29] Incarnum: OH wait, yea, dna centers
  1919. [Sun 19:09:33] Admin: funds don't matter for resource taxes
  1920. [Sun 19:09:35] DictatorDuck: Oh, mine's the central one.
  1921. [Sun 19:09:37] Admin: at all, I'm not even checking
  1922. [Sun 19:09:41] Incarnum: xD
  1923. [Sun 19:09:47] DictatorDuck: northern one...
  1924. [Sun 19:09:49] Admin: dictator yours was the north burrozil
  1925. [Sun 19:09:55] Incarnum: I was just curious! I'm not asking you to check
  1926. [Sun 19:09:57] DictatorDuck: I know..
  1927. [Sun 19:10:15] Honeycomb: I'd play devil's advocate here and argue against giving me the nation, but I feel like maybe I'd be better served to just shut my mouth...
  1928. [Sun 19:10:16] Admin: no I mean my code isn't even checking for funds when doing resource taxes :P
  1929. [Sun 19:10:52] Incarnum: Oh.
  1930. [Sun 19:10:56] Incarnum: Then theoretically
  1931. [Sun 19:11:12] Incarnum: It can push you to lose resources due to inflation, below your actual inflation cap
  1932. [Sun 19:11:51] Admin: ...how's that?
  1933. [Sun 19:12:04] Incarnum: If you have your cap at 60k (from the extra moneys)
  1934. [Sun 19:12:10] Incarnum: and you exceed it by 1
  1935. [Sun 19:12:19] Incarnum: You will lose 10001/500 per tick
  1936. [Sun 19:12:22] Admin: but the cap has nothing to do with money
  1937. [Sun 19:12:26] Incarnum: because you're exceeding the base 50k
  1938. [Sun 19:12:32] Admin: you're conflating two different caps
  1939. [Sun 19:12:35] Incarnum: I mean how much you can hold in your inventory
  1940. [Sun 19:12:39] Admin: there's the SELLER'S MARKET CAP
  1941. [Sun 19:12:42] Admin: and the INFLATION CAP
  1942. [Sun 19:12:45] Incarnum: is 50k+1/100,000
  1943. [Sun 19:12:49] Incarnum: Oh .3.
  1944. [Sun 19:13:07] Incarnum: how much of a resource can you have in your nation then?
  1945. [Sun 19:13:51] Admin: inflation on resources is (total - 50k) / 500, like I said
  1946. [Sun 19:14:01] Admin: "how much of a resource" - there is no hard cap
  1947. [Sun 19:14:20] Admin: nor on bits really, beyond whatever the hell the datatype limit is
  1948. [Sun 19:14:36] Admin: which is so stupidly high that no one is going to reach it
  1949. [Sun 19:14:59] Incarnum: I see.
  1950. [Sun 19:15:07] Incarnum: So the only bit including capacity are the markets
  1951. [Sun 19:15:17] Incarnum: not the actual resource you can have in your inventory (before the tax starts)
  1952. [Sun 19:15:27] Admin: yup
  1953. [Sun 19:16:06] Admin: oh and honeycomb you were compensated for keymaster's nation
  1954. [Sun 19:16:19] Admin: but you know that, having renamed it :D
  1955. [Sun 19:17:06] Honeycomb: hah yeah I... wasn't expecting that, thank you.
  1956. [Sun 19:18:06] Incarnum: Well, everypony is happy!
  1957. [Sun 19:18:09] Incarnum: Kinda.
  1958. [Sun 19:18:14] Incarnum: Its sad we lost 2 people,
  1959. [Sun 19:18:19] Admin: it really is
  1960. [Sun 19:18:25] Admin: but they KNEW what they were doing was cheating
  1961. [Sun 19:18:39] Admin: also honeycomb I saw your arguments above about nation building
  1962. [Sun 19:18:44] Admin: but I do NOT want to go back to those bad old days
  1963. [Sun 19:18:56] Admin: new players were practically EXPECTED to nation build
  1964. [Sun 19:19:02] Admin: instead of playing the game for themselves
  1965. [Sun 19:19:04] Admin: it was bullshit
  1966. [Sun 19:19:08] Honeycomb: That's understandable.
  1967. [Sun 19:19:32] Honeycomb: I do remember feeling very comfy when I built nations. Kind of like spectating on TF2. It was fun for me as a newb.
  1968. [Sun 19:19:45] Honeycomb: That's just me though.
  1969. [Sun 19:19:52] DictatorDuck: You tf2?
  1970. [Sun 19:20:28] Honeycomb: uh... I used to, in college. Which, because I get obsessed with things too easily, contributed to my dropping out. Which is why now I use a chromebook.
  1971. [Sun 19:20:47] Incarnum: xD
  1972. [Sun 19:20:51] Incarnum: Sad pony
  1973. [Sun 19:21:36] DictatorDuck: ouch... you have to use a Chromebook
  1974. [Sun 19:22:21] Honeycomb: I love this thing. It has everything I need and nothing that will ruin my life.
  1975. [Sun 19:22:49] Incarnum: HONEYCOMB SAVE ME
  1976. [Sun 19:22:56] Incarnum: I may just fail my last year of college
  1977. [Sun 19:22:58] Incarnum: second time around
  1978. [Sun 19:23:10] Incarnum: Firs time i missed my diploma project (because of hospitalization)
  1979. [Sun 19:23:22] Incarnum: So i ahve to redo it this year.But its due in 1 month and i haven't started XD
  1980. [Sun 19:23:32] Incarnum: How does one stop video game addiction!?
  1981. [Sun 19:23:41] Honeycomb: Lift.
  1982. [Sun 19:24:20] Incarnum: Lift?
  1983. [Sun 19:26:05] Incarnum: Eh, tempted to make an oil sale for 2 reasons. A) My main competition is gone. B) I reached the cap I can place on market XD
  1984. [Sun 19:34:03] Incarnum: Since sugar prices promise to stay stable for a while, I think I"ll go back to being a GDP nation once more. But at a smaller growth rate. Perhaps giving the world some funds will help it grow.
  1985. [Sun 19:35:42] Incarnum: Aaaaaaaaaaaaand nope. Coppers still a bitch XD
  1986. [Sun 19:39:15] DictatorDuck: Price lowered
  1987. [Sun 19:40:11] Incarnum: Danke shon.
  1988. [Sun 19:41:38] Incarnum: I mean i have to use my 20k of vehicle parts somewhere...
  1989. [Sun 19:41:45] Honeycomb: Yes, thank you...
  1990. [Mon 03:13:38] Schatten: *Danke schön
  1991. [Mon 03:14:32] Schatten: And admin, you should've waited for Myra. We talked yesterday, and he was going to send troops. I don't know if they were on the way then, but it's possible.
  1992. [Mon 03:15:32] Schatten: And since I looked on the board just now, they were, apparently.
  1993. [Mon 03:55:53] Incarnum: *sh4ug* i said that Myra was sending troops at it
  1994. [Mon 03:56:14] Incarnum: And I have no ability to use german O.
  1995. [Mon 04:53:28] Schatten: That's why you got me.^^
  1996. [Mon 04:53:35] Schatten: And Myra, I guess.
  1997. [Mon 07:54:24] Incarnum: Oh schatten, im just a-o-kay. I mean, I know german to a level, but its not much you know? I can ask basic stuff. "Vie ist das wetter heute?" Or was it Wie? I never rememebred. Had german in school from 3-7th grade... that was ages ago XD
  1998. [Mon 07:55:40] Incarnum: I find it sad. I'm 20, i broke up with my girlfriend recently, i can't find a stable job or finish college properly (I had to last year xD) Meanwhile all my friends get married and get kids. What can I brag with? "I just managed to reach my cap on a geopo
  1999. [Mon 07:55:51] Incarnum: geoponytics browsergame marketplace!"
  2000. [Mon 10:34:06] Incarnum: Buying copper over buyers.
  2001. [Mon 10:46:19] Incarnum: Danke.
  2002. [Mon 11:21:43] Danube: Damned cofee prices, I'll have to centralize to avoid purchasing any of that brown gold.
  2003. [Mon 11:30:01] Incarnum: Imma pay 100 000 000 000 for 1 admincoffeee :V
  2004. [Mon 12:42:18] Schatten: Danube: Give me a few hundred mil, and I'll build farms. :P
  2005. [Mon 13:49:35] Incarnum: Schatten I'll pay you for farms o3o
  2006. [Mon 13:49:42] Incarnum: I'll need coffee badly when my stock runs out XD
  2007. [Mon 13:49:52] Incarnum: I've built up some GDP again.
  2008. [Mon 13:51:30] DictatorDuck: Coffee price is down
  2009. [Mon 13:56:34] Honeycomb: I'd complain that it's still high, but in a shortage like this, you've got to set it high enough to where people won't buy more than they need.
  2010. [Mon 13:58:15] Honeycomb: Or worse, buy and resell
  2011. [Mon 13:58:29] Incarnum: You know, having a high GDP I might just do the latter .3.
  2012. [Mon 14:01:26] Incarnum: but no, I wont XD
  2013. [Mon 14:01:48] Incarnum: Ive starved before, dont want others going through that.
  2014. [Mon 14:12:29] Incarnum: Oh and if admin sees it, I had a questino if its possible of "Buy max" button. I'm pretty sure if it was easy to do for him, he would already do it. But I'll ask just in case xD
  2015. [Mon 14:17:03] Honeycomb: seems like that would raise the potential for misclicks
  2016. [Mon 14:17:19] Honeycomb: "shit, I just spent ALL my money on this crap I don't need"
  2017. [Mon 14:18:34] Incarnum: I guess yes. But if its moved to the left side of the bar o3o
  2018. [Mon 14:18:43] Incarnum: Like "Buy one buy max buy" on the right side
  2019. [Mon 14:18:50] Incarnum: And "Buy all" to the left side of the name
  2020. [Mon 14:19:05] Incarnum: *Buy all right, buy max left*
  2021. [Mon 14:19:27] Schatten: Still...probably better to not do that.^^
  2022. [Mon 14:19:45] Incarnum: I guess xD It might make my job easier
  2023. [Mon 14:19:47] Schatten: And I'll gladly take your money. If you have enough. :P
  2024. [Mon 14:19:53] Incarnum: I dont right now
  2025. [Mon 14:19:59] Incarnum: I've used mine to increase my GDP
  2026. [Mon 14:20:07] Incarnum: I had 23kk now i have 30kk
  2027. [Mon 14:20:13] Incarnum: in a few ticks
  2028. [Mon 14:20:16] Incarnum: and oil sells
  2029. [Mon 14:20:23] Incarnum: just place sugar on the market!
  2030. [Mon 14:20:26] Incarnum: ill buy it off
  2031. [Mon 14:21:28] Incarnum: i have 1.3 million ATM XD
  2032. [Mon 15:07:05] Honeycomb: WOO finally found a legit leak of Painting With
  2033. [Mon 15:35:40] Honeycomb: so basically they mashed up Boys Latin and Applesauce and made an album out of the result
  2034. [Mon 15:35:57] Incarnum: No idea what that is o3o
  2035. [Mon 15:38:21] Honeycomb: Animal Collective, a band. I'm gay as hell for them, like sixteen guys blowing seventeen guys gay.
  2036. [Mon 15:38:58] Incarnum: ... What?
  2037. [Mon 15:39:06] Incarnum: XD
  2038. [Mon 15:39:13] Incarnum: I'm pretty damn lost .w.
  2039. [Mon 15:39:41] Honeycomb: They're putting out a new album in a few days, Painting With, but the leak finally showed up early this morning.
  2040. [Mon 15:40:31] Honeycomb: So I just listened to it for the first time. Boys Latin and Applesauce are other songs they've done.
  2041. [Mon 15:43:28] Incarnum: Thats an american thing, isn't it?
  2042. [Mon 15:44:06] Honeycomb: What's an American thing? Album leaks, or Animal Collective?
  2043. [Mon 15:45:44] Incarnum: The second.
  2044. [Mon 15:46:04] Incarnum: You're talking to a person who's EXTREMELY conservative in music choice.
  2045. [Mon 15:47:06] Honeycomb: Ooo, oooh! Now you have to elaborate. What kind of music do you like?
  2046. [Mon 15:47:39] Honeycomb: And yes, AnCo is an American band. They're kind of love-them-or-hate-them though and they don't get played on mainstream radio.
  2047. [Mon 15:48:07] Incarnum: Im stuck on Machinae Supremacy and i dont want to get off. XD
  2048. [Mon 15:48:40] Honeycomb: Any specific albums?
  2049. [Mon 15:49:51] Incarnum: Not really. But Deus Ex Machinae has most of my favs in it.
  2050. [Mon 15:50:07] Incarnum: Like I enjoy them all, but my favorites are from different albums
  2051. [Mon 15:50:22] Incarnum: Deus Ex machinae has the most of those.
  2052. [Mon 15:50:23] Honeycomb: right, right. That's always how it is.
  2053. [Mon 15:50:44] Incarnum: So by comparison thats my fav album XD
  2054. [Mon 15:50:59] Incarnum: Player One is the song that caught my heart.
  2055. [Mon 15:51:24] Honeycomb: Okay, I'll give that album a listen. I'm not huge into metal but it's good to hear on occasion
  2056. [Mon 15:52:33] Honeycomb: plus my roommate is a huge metalhead
  2057. [Mon 15:52:47] Incarnum: Its not exactly metal.
  2058. [Mon 15:52:59] Incarnum: Search for "Machinae Supremacy - Europa" thats not an album
  2059. [Mon 15:53:02] Incarnum: But a song.
  2060. [Mon 15:53:06] Incarnum: Call that metal, I dare you.
  2061. [Mon 15:53:10] Incarnum: xD
  2062. [Mon 15:53:11] Schatten: Ah yes. Player ONe is nice.
  2063. [Mon 15:53:30] Honeycomb: oh god, is it progressive metal then? It sounds a lot like Coheed to me. I can never remember all these sub-sub-genres...
  2064. [Mon 15:54:03] Schatten: Hm...they're not what you'd call metal usually, but they _are_ metal. Just a specific kind.
  2065. [Mon 15:54:17] Prr Wio: testing testing 1 2 3
  2066. [Mon 15:54:25] Honeycomb: holy god it's the Prr
  2067. [Mon 15:54:27] Schatten: And don't ask me what it's supposed to be called either.^^
  2068. [Mon 15:55:35] Prr Wio: :O
  2069. [Mon 15:55:51] Honeycomb: I mean if Alcest is "black metal" then all I can say is these genre names are really confusing
  2070. [Mon 15:56:19] Prr Wio: oh wew, I just looked and empire rankings
  2071. [Mon 15:56:22] Incarnum: Its called SID Metal
  2072. [Mon 15:56:24] Prr Wio: at
  2073. [Mon 15:56:25] Incarnum: thats what it is
  2074. [Mon 15:56:38] Incarnum: They have their own genere
  2075. [Mon 15:56:42] Incarnum: That only they use XD
  2076. [Mon 15:56:55] Honeycomb: I know, I've been getting lucky left and right. Prr Wio glorious return when?
  2077. [Mon 15:57:34] Prr Wio: not now, thats for sure, also you didnt see me there because Im studying for exam
  2078. [Mon 15:57:39] Schatten: I only know what I like and what not, I don't care what it's called.^^ And way I see it, almost every band has their own style anyway.
  2079. [Mon 15:57:57] Honeycomb: I'm listening to Europa at the moment at your suggestion, and I'm getting flashes of Devin Townsend, probably only because of the female vocalist.
  2080. [Mon 15:58:04] Honeycomb: I still call this metal though :^)
  2081. [Mon 15:58:26] Schatten: Yep, it definitely is.
  2082. [Mon 15:59:18] Incarnum: Europa? XD Its one of the softest metal songs i've heard then
  2083. [Mon 15:59:40] Incarnum: Schatten.
  2084. [Mon 15:59:46] Incarnum: I want to play until I die~
  2085. [Mon 15:59:54] Prr Wio: you mean the band Europe or ..
  2086. [Mon 16:00:42] Incarnum: Song.
  2087. [Mon 16:00:44] Incarnum: Europa
  2088. [Mon 16:00:46] Incarnum: A in the end
  2089. [Mon 16:00:50] Incarnum: Not "THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!"
  2090. [Mon 16:00:50] Prr Wio: from Globus?
  2091. [Mon 16:01:33] Incarnum: Its... For special people. Like me and Schatten.
  2092. [Mon 16:01:50] Honeycomb: Incarnum was just introducing me to one band by the name of Machinae Supremacy, who are responsible for the song "Europa"
  2093. [Mon 16:03:05] Prr Wio: let me check it out
  2094. [Mon 16:03:10] Incarnum: xD
  2095. [Mon 16:03:17] Incarnum: Now 2 people are looking at it.
  2096. [Mon 16:03:43] Incarnum: Oh god I remember the concert in moscow in A1 Club @.@ That was so fun
  2097. [Mon 16:03:52] Incarnum: Schatten, I was on their concert :^)
  2098. [Mon 16:04:04] Honeycomb: By the way, Prr was responsible for me rolling with a Prze and was my constant customer for weeks. Trump Tower owes its life to him.
  2099. [Mon 16:04:41] Incarnum: Thank you Prr then! Because the Trump Tower kept us all alive this whole time xD
  2100. [Mon 16:04:52] Schatten: Good for you, Incarnum.
  2101. [Mon 16:05:00] Schatten: But Honeycomb, too. :P
  2102. [Mon 16:05:34] Incarnum: Schatten, I sent 30million (-3%) to you.
  2103. [Mon 16:05:41] Prr Wio: t-thanks for appreciation
  2104. [Mon 16:05:54] Prr Wio: too bad most of what I bought died in rebellion ;_;
  2105. [Mon 16:06:55] Incarnum: Now that is sad.
  2106. [Mon 16:07:17] Prr Wio: such is life in >CLOP
  2107. [Mon 16:07:20] Incarnum: Well, if you're going to restart I can offer you a big bunch of oil in a few ticks! o3o
  2108. [Mon 16:07:25] Incarnum: or 4.1k right nwo XD
  2109. [Mon 16:07:26] Incarnum: now*
  2110. [Mon 16:08:05] Schatten: Don't tempt the guy. He's studying, didn't you hear? ^^
  2111. [Mon 16:08:10] Schatten: And thanks.
  2112. [Mon 16:08:12] Incarnum: OH wait, yea.
  2113. [Mon 16:08:14] Incarnum: XD
  2114. [Mon 16:08:15] Prr Wio: :P
  2115. [Mon 16:08:28] Prr Wio: yeah, I think about it after exams
  2116. [Mon 16:08:50] Honeycomb: also, yo... you might want to keep your strategic intel on such things as the size of your stockpiles and how much money you have and stuff under wraps.
  2117. [Mon 16:09:10] Incarnum: Right now? Its all rapidly changing
  2118. [Mon 16:09:13] Honeycomb: People can put on a friendly face while they're planning to shank you in the shower.
  2119. [Mon 16:09:26] Incarnum: *shrug* .3.
  2120. [Mon 16:09:35] Incarnum: Its a browser pony game XD
  2121. [Mon 16:09:50] Prr Wio: I rate song Europa ok/10
  2122. [Mon 16:10:05] Incarnum: Go for "Player One" then
  2123. [Mon 16:10:10] Incarnum: Thats the song that caught my heart.
  2124. [Mon 16:10:29] Honeycomb: I will also do that then.
  2125. [Mon 16:11:56] Prr Wio: okay Ill try, but I kind of grew tired of metal
  2126. [Mon 16:12:06] Incarnum: Do that then, as in think of shanking me in the shower?...
  2127. [Mon 16:12:22] Incarnum: Well mister, I'll tell you. It'll be awkward to see you in my shower :V
  2128. [Mon 16:12:32] Honeycomb: kek, as in listen to Player One
  2129. [Mon 16:13:19] Incarnum: I vow to break my next vow. I vow to never break vows. o3o
  2130. [Mon 16:13:26] Incarnum: Brain fucking right htere.
  2131. [Mon 16:14:02] Honeycomb: but seriously, anyone who's tired of metal should listen to Epicloud by Devin Townsend Project.
  2132. [Mon 16:14:18] Honeycomb: though maybe my roommate's conditioning has set in
  2133. [Mon 16:14:55] Prr Wio: added to "to listen"
  2134. [Mon 16:14:56] Honeycomb: he's a really talented singer and voice actor, and he has freaky sensitive ears and perfect intervals and eidetic memory
  2135. [Mon 16:15:04] Honeycomb: my roommate, that is
  2136. [Mon 16:15:11] Prr Wio: kewl
  2137. [Mon 16:15:27] Honeycomb: so he's always freaking out about awesome vocalists, of whom Devin Townsend apparently is one
  2138. [Mon 16:15:31] Prr Wio: okay it was 30 seconds and I already like epicloud
  2139. [Mon 16:15:45] Prr Wio: good shot Honey
  2140. [Mon 16:16:09] Honeycomb: "Kingdom" and "Grace" and "Save Our Now" are the highlights, glad you liked the intro though ^^
  2141. [Mon 16:16:23] Prr Wio: no, I started somewhere in the middle
  2142. [Mon 16:16:32] Prr Wio: totaly random fragment
  2143. [Mon 16:16:50] Incarnum: XD
  2144. [Mon 16:16:58] Incarnum: Thats usually a bad idea.
  2145. [Mon 16:17:09] Honeycomb: I never do that! Who does that?
  2146. [Mon 16:17:11] Prr Wio: it was good idea now
  2147. [Mon 16:17:42] Incarnum: xD
  2148. [Mon 16:18:26] Prr Wio: speaking of metal I was listening to rammstein and korpiklaani recently
  2149. [Mon 16:19:34] Honeycomb: Are the two of those bands even remotely related? My roommate is huge into german
  2150. [Mon 16:19:37] Honeycomb: ...
  2151. [Mon 16:19:50] Prr Wio: I dont think so
  2152. [Mon 16:19:53] Honeycomb: I mean he's huge into rammstein and learned childish german just to understand their lyrics
  2153. [Mon 16:19:59] Prr Wio: maybe related in this that they sometimes sing in no-english
  2154. [Mon 16:20:41] Prr Wio: well rammstein mostly in no-english
  2155. [Mon 16:21:49] Honeycomb: he's made me watch several of their videos heh
  2156. [Mon 16:22:29] Prr Wio: you mean music videos or something from the concert?
  2157. [Mon 16:23:15] Honeycomb: both. I've seen the video for "Lust" or whatever, with the million dollar fatsuits. Also that live shit where Till Lindemann cut into his cheek with LEDs so his mouth glows from the inside when he sings
  2158. [Mon 16:23:48] Prr Wio: heh, I seen the one with huge benis
  2159. [Mon 16:24:59] Prr Wio: the singer would cum on his audience
  2160. [Mon 16:25:00] Honeycomb: Don't recall that one...
  2161. [Mon 16:25:05] Honeycomb: ...oh.
  2162. [Mon 16:25:23] Honeycomb: Now that's just degenerate.
  2163. [Mon 16:25:40] Prr Wio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khM3NIh85xg
  2164. [Mon 16:26:24] Prr Wio: see from 1:30
  2165. [Mon 16:28:03] Honeycomb: it's literally the old cults of priapus brought back
  2166. [Mon 16:28:36] Honeycomb: now I understand why Slavoj Zizek decided it was worthwhile to comment on Rammstein concerts in that movie he made
  2167. [Mon 16:30:35] Prr Wio: I need to go back to my studies, see you later
  2168. [Mon 16:30:54] Honeycomb: Good to see you again!
  2169. [Mon 16:31:18] Incarnum: Come back again! -3-
  2170. [Tue 06:25:13] Incarnum: Any zebricas willing to negotiate gem price?
  2171. [Tue 09:12:04] DeDuder: Sorry, just created my group of unicorns. I barely have any gems to spare every tick.
  2172. [Tue 10:05:42] DictatorDuck: Having a standing army just eats up resources, it's far cheaper just to mae 20 barracks in the long run.
  2173. [Tue 11:02:35] Incarnum: Honeycomb, any machinery part sales that may come soon?
  2174. [Tue 11:50:39] Incarnum: Oh, nevermind im stupid .3.
  2175. [Wed 02:33:27] Honeycomb: Down to one page of active players... that's depressing.
  2176. [Wed 03:09:19] Schatten: Indeed.
  2177. [Wed 03:09:52] Schatten: And who's Vino Vines? That he know's Scarf?
  2178. [Wed 06:39:33] Vino Vines: :}
  2179. [Wed 10:15:17] Admin: sorry guys, I never really want to blame the playerbase for anything but this is a really classic tragedy of the commons scenario
  2180. [Wed 10:15:22] Admin: you farm and don't help new players
  2181. [Wed 10:15:26] Admin: and then wonder why they leave
  2182. [Wed 10:15:33] Admin: that's african-tier logic
  2183. [Wed 10:59:06] Honeycomb: Can we all have like a serious discussion about how to fix this problem? Without, you know, trying to make Admin change the game? What's really the solution here?
  2184. [Wed 10:59:07] Myrami: >Niggers
  2185. [Wed 10:59:48] Myrami: >grasping the concept of farming and agriculture
  2186. [Wed 11:00:14] Myrami: You crack me up xD
  2187. [Wed 11:09:55] Incarnum: I'm selling oil at an available price for everyone! .w.
  2188. [Wed 11:10:05] Incarnum: Im not farming or even stocking up on shit XD
  2189. [Wed 11:59:15] Schatten: Admin, you have a point. But most of those who leave never communicate with the rest of us. Which makes it really hard to help, when all we see are the explosions.
  2190. [Wed 12:00:02] Incarnum: If other nations lower the price it'll be much better :V
  2191. [Wed 12:00:26] Incarnum: i mean how is a starter nation spposed to buy sugar at 12 k xD
  2192. [Wed 12:00:52] Schatten: Still. I don't have the necessary stocks yet, but can we get together a "newbie task force", whose job it is to send out starter packages? Anyone interested in helping, PM me.
  2193. [Wed 12:01:55] Schatten: Incarnum: Market prices are fluctuating. And that's part of the game. Can't change that. All we can do is get their feet on the ground, so they can help themselves.
  2194. [Wed 12:05:53] Incarnum: But will that really help them if they get a bunch of resources waste them and still get blown up because they'll mess up the ballance? That happened to my first nation lol
  2195. [Wed 12:08:55] Schatten: Part of it is explaining some basic mechanics, obviously. If they _want_ advice, that is. If they still blow up, that's on them.
  2196. [Wed 12:10:14] Schatten: Which is also why, personally, I never gave up too big starter packages (back when I did). Screwups are less fatal when resource numbers are lower.
  2197. [Wed 12:11:07] Incarnum: I guess thats true.
  2198. [Wed 12:13:57] Danube: I don't think the reason for the players leaving is us not helping them. They just find the game boring. Sure, us conqwering them at the age of 25 puts them off... well it would if they would ever get there.
  2199. [Wed 12:16:27] Danube: The point is that it's the game's fault. I like it, some of you like it, but it's just not for everyone. I see only two options for enlarging the player base. They won't work wonders, but they should help. There is a third one, but it implies changing the
  2200. [Wed 12:16:54] Danube: whole game, which, I do not reccomend.
  2201. [Wed 12:17:22] Danube: 1) Better guide (include obvious reason here)
  2202. [Wed 12:19:20] Danube: Now, seriously, the "help" you get in this game is outrageously missing. It would be far fetched to say it doesn't hold your hand. It's just awful. Make a guide, make a wiki, make anything, because the current guide can only explain the very basics.
  2203. [Wed 12:20:51] Danube: 2) Remove all ponies. Yeah, you heard me, no ponies=more players. Everyone that plays this game that isn't a brony, please present yourself. I believe there is no non-brony here.
  2204. [Wed 12:22:06] Danube: Ok, there might be 1,2, waiting to have me stay corrected, but it's as simple as it sounds. No more ponies=larger pool of possible players, bronies and non-bronies alike.
  2205. [Wed 12:24:13] Danube: Furthermore, the MLP fandom just isn't into this kind of games. They're hipsters, they're not into such things as geoplitical... sorry, geoponitical simulators. (Well, it's more like a troll simulator, but nevertheless)
  2206. [Wed 12:26:03] Danube: And really, I can live without ponies in this game. All you need to do is change the name (because the name!!!!!), the theme and boom ! Don't get me wrong, I like ponies, all the ponies, but I really wish there were more players
  2207. [Wed 12:26:08] Danube: , just like you !
  2208. [Wed 12:27:37] Danube: As a matter of fact, I wanted to recomend this game to a friend, and I would have if it weren
  2209. [Wed 12:28:08] Danube: 't for the damned title. Just having him google it makes me cringe.
  2210. [Wed 12:44:49] Incarnum: i dislike mlp
  2211. [Wed 12:44:54] Incarnum: like the show
  2212. [Wed 12:45:00] Incarnum: its poorly executed and faulty in animation .3.
  2213. [Wed 12:46:22] Schatten: Hm. I had most of a better guide already written. maybe I should finish it.
  2214. [Wed 12:47:15] Schatten: As to the pony thing: I've known quite a few players who weren't bronies. You're right, technically, but I doubt it would help all that much by now.
  2215. [Wed 12:48:02] Schatten: Btw., related: is there an ad up, admin? If not, you could try that once more.
  2216. [Wed 13:19:30] Honeycomb: To my mind it's not as simple as just giving new players free stuff.
  2217. [Wed 13:20:56] Schatten: No. But it's one step-
  2218. [Wed 13:21:51] Honeycomb: What I mean is that it might be best to actually make them do something, even if it's as simple as joining an alliance, to get material help.
  2219. [Wed 13:22:56] Honeycomb: Because it fits more with the illusion of there being "purposes" and "goals" in the game.
  2220. [Wed 13:24:32] Honeycomb: Also, I'm concerned about the shrinking of the middle class. What's up with all the established players dropping off the radar?
  2221. [Wed 13:30:54] Schatten: Wait. You, of all people, are suggesting binding players into alliances? BEFORE helping them? ^^
  2222. [Wed 13:31:58] Schatten: But seriously: Many players don't get over the first few days. Because >CLOP has a slow start. Giving them a starter package bridges that gap.
  2223. [Wed 13:32:31] Schatten: Afterwards, they're on their own. Until/unless they join an alliance, of course. I also made the experience that players really want to join one after they were helped,
  2224. [Wed 13:32:43] Schatten: instead of just for a perceived need of a meat shield.
  2225. [Wed 13:33:38] Honeycomb: Well, there's also the concept of giving 21st birthday prizes (or whatever) to newbs who survive that long. To give them something to work for.
  2226. [Wed 13:33:46] Schatten: It even works with not-quite-nebies, like Incarnum.^^
  2227. [Wed 13:34:07] Schatten: That's a really god idea, actually.
  2228. [Wed 13:36:08] Schatten: Well...as long as your "birthday prizes" are resources, not troops on their front lawn. :P
  2229. [Wed 13:36:25] Honeycomb: pffft
  2230. [Wed 13:37:19] Incarnum: xD
  2231. [Wed 13:37:27] Incarnum: Yes that did help me a lot, 3 times to be exact.
  2232. [Wed 13:37:34] Incarnum: I guess i reached my birthday 3 times...
  2233. [Wed 13:38:29] Honeycomb: I just see goals as the most fundamental thing to have in a game. But this one is structured so that we have to create them ourselves. But most players enjoy being strong.
  2234. [Wed 13:39:43] Incarnum: But then comes the question. Where do we get resources to be viable enough to achieve at age 21.
  2235. [Wed 13:39:46] Schatten: True.
  2236. [Wed 13:39:51] Incarnum: By we i mean the people who shall give them XD
  2237. [Wed 13:40:38] Schatten: That's never been a problem, Incarnum. There's plenty of resources t go around. Enough for any newbie to easily make it.
  2238. [Wed 13:40:53] Honeycomb: So there needs to be a higher benefit-to-cost ratio of wars. Since fight clubs can't really work and self-sacrifice is stupid, the only way forward I see is to cultivate and enlarge the middle class.
  2239. [Wed 13:41:26] Schatten: As for goals: Yeh, those would be nice. Maybe we can draft up one? Maybe Ascension-related, since that went out of favor with Compounds?
  2240. [Wed 13:41:33] Honeycomb: That is, the players strong enough for war, but weak enough to have a motive for war.
  2241. [Wed 13:41:57] Schatten: Yep. But we hardly have those.
  2242. [Wed 13:42:40] Honeycomb: Well, we gotta get on it!
  2243. [Wed 13:42:46] Schatten: Hmm...but maybe now more than a few months ago. Most players only have one nation, so those could war among themselves...
  2244. [Wed 13:44:05] Honeycomb: I also miss the old-school banter that used to go on all over the boards. I think it was a good laugh and fired people up.
  2245. [Wed 13:44:33] Schatten: Mhm. We need Scarf back.^^
  2246. [Wed 13:46:05] Honeycomb: I... can't refute that.
  2247. [Wed 13:50:05] Honeycomb: What if... and I know, this is more Admin stuff... but what would happen if the alliance that you belonged to wasn't public knowledge?
  2248. [Wed 13:52:06] Schatten: There's been a time where it was that way.^^
  2249. [Wed 13:52:18] Honeycomb: Really?
  2250. [Wed 13:52:23] Schatten: "All the real alliances are in Skype."
  2251. [Wed 13:52:41] Honeycomb: Isn't that how it should be?
  2252. [Wed 13:54:00] Schatten: Eh. I reckon that then, you'd have even less an incentive to attack _anyone_. Since you don't know who's jumping in.
  2253. [Wed 13:54:15] Schatten: Besides, you'd pretty soon find out anyway.
  2254. [Wed 13:55:00] Honeycomb: On the other hand, you wouldn't have new players joining alliances by just clicking a button and not actually ever networking with anyone.
  2255. [Wed 13:56:35] Schatten: Well, that is true.
  2256. [Wed 13:58:23] Schatten: But my point about Skype before was that long ago, it didn't matter so much what your user page said. You'd have whoever you networked with, if you were an active player.
  2257. [Wed 13:59:28] Schatten: The benefit of known alliances was mostly for players that didn't participate in the political game. Which, sadly, is always the bigger part of the playerbase.
  2258. [Wed 14:00:59] Schatten: Now, I can see your idea working, by discouraging players to attack any newbie since they don't know who's protecting them. UNTIL the first one falls. Which will be soon. Then, it's probably chaos.
  2259. [Wed 14:02:49] Honeycomb: Why would it not work like activity checks used to? You don't know who someone's allied to, so you send a force. You get a message from someone else saying, hey, that's my ally, withdraw your troops or else.
  2260. [Wed 14:03:15] Honeycomb: If the person you're sending troops to doesn't actually have a support network, he's fucked. But if he does, then he's good.
  2261. [Wed 14:04:26] Schatten: INteresting analogy. And yes that would work fine.
  2262. [Wed 14:04:45] Schatten: But, mot players who see an army coming to them, quit.
  2263. [Wed 14:07:17] Honeycomb: the flip side is that if there are newbs to attack, then there are countries for newbs to attack.
  2264. [Wed 14:12:43] Calamity: There should be a built in alliance chat, so everyone who doesn't have skype can still communicate with each other and ask for help
  2265. [Wed 14:13:02] Schatten: And for others. Which means the nations would go to the bigger players, since they have bigger armies.
  2266. [Wed 14:15:27] Honeycomb: well, at a certain point, it does me more economic and military good to have a smaller, reliable ally get a new nation instead of taking it myself.
  2267. [Wed 14:24:00] Schatten: Yes. At a certain point. I'm just worried that the game won't progress that far, without players that stay around.
  2268. [Wed 14:25:05] Honeycomb: Then what do you see as the key to keeping players around? Because I see the key as generating goals for them to work toward. (Military conquest being one such goal.)
  2269. [Wed 14:26:19] Schatten: First (chronologically), the aforementioned help at the very start. Then, the feeling that they're safe once they hit 21.
  2270. [Wed 14:26:55] Schatten: And the second point is achieved by having an alliance tag, I think.
  2271. [Wed 14:27:01] Honeycomb: What explains the dropout from established players that's been happening?
  2272. [Wed 14:28:23] Schatten: IMHO, the dominating position of THK and Aryan at the end of the last bigger conflicts. After that, there wasn't much point for their "enemies" to try and get big, since they couldn't contest them.
  2273. [Wed 14:28:48] Schatten: Then, as more and more established, long-term players dropped out, others lost more and more interest.
  2274. [Wed 14:29:22] Schatten: Gmes like this need a critical mass of players. >CLOP has always been struggling with that, and I think by now we're under it.
  2275. [Wed 14:31:10] Schatten: We'd need a conflict and drama among the existing players to keep active ones. But we ALSO need a safe place for new players, so they'll stay until they can participate in the bigger game.
  2276. [Wed 14:31:38] Schatten: Once the game gets bigger again, interest will be easier to keep, I think.
  2277. [Wed 14:34:33] Schatten: Btw, in terms of power, >CLOP is in a good spot now. THK and Aryan are gone. That leaves you, Myra and maybe Duck for the bigger fish. Which are not allied (openly).
  2278. [Wed 14:35:32] Honeycomb: Calamity's quite a bit stronger than I am. I'm a discount retailer.
  2279. [Wed 14:36:11] Schatten: Oh yeah. HIm too.
  2280. [Wed 14:36:52] Schatten: (I was only going on the empire size, which doesn't say that much about strength.)
  2281. [Wed 14:38:04] Schatten: In any case, that leaves us with two very strng alliances. CCCP and FC. Gather more players around you, maybe Duck will as well, taking over MTVS, and we have a nice political landscape.
  2282. [Wed 14:38:31] Schatten: And I didn't forget FFA. But they're mostly inert since before I started playing...
  2283. [Wed 14:39:44] Honeycomb: I know I don't skype much so I'm out of the loop, but I had just assumed Aryan hit the hardcap on stocks or something and was just biding his time.
  2284. [Wed 14:41:23] Schatten: Me too. Then I saw that those two went into stasis a long time ago.
  2285. [Wed 14:42:25] Schatten: And don't forget that THK lost some nations even before that. Indicates disinterest to me.
  2286. [Wed 14:44:28] Honeycomb: Hmm, perhaps.
  2287. [Wed 14:44:42] Honeycomb: The market's also pretty good at the moment, so that's an advantage.
  2288. [Wed 14:46:07] Schatten: That too.
  2289. [Wed 15:23:45] Myrami: Schatten, stell einfach n offer fuer die P-Parts auf den buyer's. Ich schick dir das Zeug dann alsbald rueber.
  2290. [Wed 15:40:49] Danube: A good thing about this game is that it can run with a few players. That critical mass... it's bullshit. 20 players is more than enough, but, while the economy works, it's just not as fun as if there were more people
  2291. [Wed 15:42:04] Danube: Actually, the fact that there are so few players makes the marketplace more unpredictable, witch can make the game more tense.
  2292. [Wed 15:43:14] Danube: I won't go into detail, but things become a lot more linear with large masses, as they tend to follow trends, which can't develop with only our current number of players.
  2293. [Wed 15:44:15] Danube: However, I swear I've been looking for a nation to capture for a while now. There are none. I was lucky to pick this one up when I did.
  2294. [Wed 15:44:53] DictatorDuck: I'm honored that I'm considered a power player. The problem with an unstable martet is the occasional complete shortage of a resource.
  2295. [Wed 15:44:53] Danube: In the end, the game just isn't fun with only us. Wait, it is , but it could be better.
  2296. [Wed 15:46:29] Danube: Yeah, but I like that shortage, just like, probably one of the coolest moments in the game, when I almost died. With so few players, however, there isn't any action going on.
  2297. [Wed 15:46:56] Schatten: Danube: I played in an active political game with 20 players. Now, we have like 5. At best.
  2298. [Wed 15:47:06] Danube: Losing your nation is depressing, but I'd rather lose it every 2 months than get bored playing the role of a power house.
  2299. [Wed 15:47:24] Danube: This game?
  2300. [Wed 15:47:30] Schatten: Yes.
  2301. [Wed 15:47:53] Danube: I swear there's at least 15, including newbies
  2302. [Wed 15:47:54] Schatten: I'm talking about really active participating players. Not just people who look after their nation.
  2303. [Wed 15:48:24] Schatten: Players I would talk to on Skype, almost daily.
  2304. [Wed 15:48:34] Danube: Oh, well, for the last month I've been just tending my garden, really. I would do something, but what?
  2305. [Wed 15:48:43] Schatten: See?
  2306. [Wed 15:49:11] Danube: And, you got any kind of interesting plotting going on, eh ? :D
  2307. [Wed 15:49:19] Schatten: With more players, there's more active players. Power blocks form, nd do political maneuvering. And for that, you usually need a certain mass.
  2308. [Wed 15:50:52] Danube: We already have power blocks, but there's 2 of 'em, and no one dares to fight one another. In retrospect, it's perfectly natural. If there were more players and subseqwently more alliances, there would be some conflict.
  2309. [Wed 15:53:22] Danube: I honestly have a strong desire to get a war going. ( nothing implied).
  2310. [Wed 15:54:45] Honeycomb: I've wracked my brain trying to think of ways to provide "safe" "limited" war without breaking rule 4
  2311. [Wed 15:55:01] Danube: rule 4, let me see
  2312. [Wed 15:56:03] Honeycomb: admin said fight club alliances aren't allowed
  2313. [Wed 15:56:29] Danube: How could a war possibly infringe that. War is war, unless you burn down your nations on purpose, in which case there is a simple solution: Don't do it !
  2314. [Wed 15:56:45] Danube: SRSLY?
  2315. [Wed 15:57:02] Danube: Admin, that's ... just dumb
  2316. [Wed 15:57:25] Danube: I can see the point of it, but still
  2317. [Wed 15:58:14] Honeycomb: maybe a pirate alliance, on the theme of "we will try to defend you from repercussions for your attacks on other alliances"
  2318. [Wed 15:58:26] Honeycomb: but at that point you're really just at war with the entire game
  2319. [Wed 15:58:53] Danube: Bottom of the guide reads : "Other than these, there are no rules. Take over the economy, manipulate the market, lie extravagantly, gang up on whoever you want."
  2320. [Wed 15:58:57] Danube: ---- gang up on whoever you want-----
  2321. [Wed 16:02:03] Danube: "GANG UP", unless that's an euphemism for get together, have a beer and play some rasta music, there's no other way of taking it other than a fight club.
  2322. [Wed 16:02:44] Honeycomb: not sure we're on the same page here, by fight club I meant an alliance where you defend from outside aggression but allow infighting
  2323. [Wed 16:03:26] Danube: Oh
  2324. [Wed 16:03:31] Danube: No we're not
  2325. [Wed 16:03:42] DictatorDuck: It'd need a really strong cnetral player to keep it organized
  2326. [Wed 16:03:54] Danube: But, why'd you want that.
  2327. [Wed 16:04:21] Honeycomb: safe, limited war opportunities for small players to grow and enter the middle class
  2328. [Wed 16:05:14] Danube: Why wouldn't you make a farming club, that ought to work to and would have the same result M8.
  2329. [Wed 16:05:41] Honeycomb: Because farming is against rule 4, and I thought this up as a way to get around that.
  2330. [Wed 16:06:30] Danube: Farming is against rule 4? What? What does farming mean for you. I don't mean crack or weed.
  2331. [Wed 16:06:50] Honeycomb: I mean farming nations. "Nation-building".
  2332. [Wed 16:07:39] Danube: No, a farming club would be an alliance that trades resources internally and just grows like you would in a SIMCity
  2333. [Wed 16:08:09] Danube: Is that "Nation-Building" ?
  2334. [Wed 16:08:24] Honeycomb: No
  2335. [Wed 16:09:11] Danube: Well, than, that could work, and than, you just have to find another faction, you attack them and hope for the best.
  2336. [Wed 16:09:17] Honeycomb: However, there's a limit to how big one nation can really get, and if you have someone with an empire giving handouts, you can hit that limit pretty quickly.
  2337. [Wed 16:10:16] Danube: True, but I believe the late game should be about helping your faction grow. You as a player grew enough.
  2338. [Wed 16:10:41] DictatorDuck: Not really since there's potential for 9x your size.
  2339. [Wed 16:11:03] Danube: Yes, there is, but that's it.
  2340. [Wed 16:11:18] Danube: In any case, have a nice day, I'm out...
  2341. [Wed 16:11:54] Honeycomb: See ya 'round.
  2342. [Wed 17:05:22] Schatten: Man, my computer gets old. Took an hour to completely recover from a bluescreen...
  2343. [Wed 17:09:44] Schatten: Hey, what about "limited engagements"? Players are allowed to attack other participating players with, let's say, 3k units total, for one week. Without intervention from any big hitters.
  2344. [Wed 17:10:30] Schatten: Obviously, there has to be honest defenses, but we can police ourselves, I imagine. Would that be within the rules?
  2345. [Wed 17:11:57] Schatten: Yes, that's kind of a "fight club"...hmm... but the attacks and defenses are honest fighting, so would that be okay?...
  2346. [Wed 17:13:02] Schatten: Might need to refine the terms, probably. Tomorrow. Throwing it out here as food for thought.
  2347. [Wed 17:13:51] Honeycomb: I hadn't thought of a total unit cap.
  2348. [Wed 17:14:53] Honeycomb: I think you'd have to limit it so only players with a certain level of development could participate, for example, you have to have ten enviros up
  2349. [Wed 17:16:10] Honeycomb: also it's no fair if bigger players attack smaller ones, so it'd have to be limited to 1-nation-vs-1-nation or something like that, and you'd have to get the bigger players to agree about it
  2350. [Wed 17:16:39] Honeycomb: then announce it all well ahead of time so players can prepare and decide if they want in or not
  2351. [Wed 20:47:18] Calamity: parts, go get 'em quick!
  2352. [Thu 02:43:21] Schatten: It's hard to determine "development" though. Some players, especially those with help, get their EFs sooner than others. But they're still small in terms of resource throughput.
  2353. [Thu 02:46:31] Schatten: Besides that, I imagined it being like actual war, just a bit more limited. As in, there's a limit on troops, and on time. Other than that, fair game. Gang up on someone, backstab, whatever.
  2354. [Thu 02:47:03] Schatten: I think I'll make a post on the board. Easier to explain when I have more than one line of text...
  2355. [Thu 04:42:40] Incarnum: Basically what you're saying is make a game of bets. You think your army is though? Go 1 v 1 someone who thinks that too. Winner gets both nations?
  2356. [Thu 07:31:08] Danube: Organised war, I disagree.
  2357. [Thu 07:32:09] Danube: It has to be spontaneous and what not. What I like about this game is that there aren't any other rules besides those that limit exploits
  2358. [Thu 07:33:37] Danube: If you start organising anything, than well... I am ok with the players making up their own "societies of nations", with rules. But it can't be a rule of the game, nor a generally accepted as usual thingy.
  2359. [Thu 08:03:18] Admin tests
  2360. [Thu 08:03:25] Admin: awesome, I sped the chat javascript up some more
  2361. [Thu 08:04:42] Admin: also if you plan to fight each other legitimately in some limited, agreed-upon form, as long as it's a fair fight I don't think I can complain
  2362. [Thu 08:04:59] Admin: but just don't be surprised when someone breaks your predefined rules- and I won't enforce any rules but my own
  2363. [Thu 08:14:41] Admin /me /me /me's for polandball
  2364. [Thu 08:16:04] Admin: just for you polandball: </a>: /me </a>: /me
  2365. [Thu 09:45:08] Schatten: I know you won't enforce them. And quite possibly someone'll break them. But then, we just have a real war.
  2366. [Thu 09:46:03] Schatten: Danube: It's not supposed to be a rule that everyone has to follow. If you want to, that's fine. If you don't, don't expect me to hold back should you send troops to me.
  2367. [Thu 09:47:24] Schatten: Basically, it's just people saying "if you keep your troops below a certain number, I will too." Nothing more, nothing less.
  2368. [Thu 09:47:32] Schatten: *some people saying
  2369. [Thu 10:52:02] Danube: XD I do support people forming alliances and groups with various purposes and rules. I think it's really cool. I just mentioned I don't want those rules to be general rules.
  2370. [Thu 10:54:39] Danube: If they want to make a right-handed government-like alliance where the rule is the survival of the fittest, in a fight-club format, I am ok with that. That+ dictatorship= fascism. However, in itself, it's a pretty reasonable society, dark, rough, but func
  2371. [Thu 10:54:43] Danube: ional.
  2372. [Thu 10:55:50] Danube: If they want to make a capitalistic one, where fights are only between nations that want to take the chance, them, yeah, cool too.
  2373. [Thu 10:57:23] Danube: But I don't think it's a true fight, best ones are those between truly rival nations/ alliances, but I won't stand against anything. I am glad people are working towards forming a society here.
  2374. [Thu 10:59:42] Danube: BTW, this game is in a state of cold war. Anything you can do to heat it up a bit is great. But, in the end, we just need some more players.
  2375. [Thu 11:06:32] NotASomepony: send help pls
  2376. [Thu 11:07:41] Honeycomb: I gotcha NaS
  2377. [Thu 11:16:36] NotASomepony: tanks
  2378. [Thu 11:17:19] NotASomepony: I only exploded for the tenth time.
  2379. [Thu 11:20:39] Schatten: Yes, it IS cold war. It's always been cold war. Except when it's just war.^^
  2380. [Thu 11:21:39] Schatten: And as I said before: the system would be for nations who DON'T want to take their chance at a war they cannot win. It gives the a chance for fighting and conquest, but with less risk.
  2381. [Thu 11:23:03] Schatten: Btw, I've never been one to force rules on people. This alliance is the third I lead, since December '15, and I've never told anyone what to do. Ask around.^^
  2382. [Thu 15:25:09] DictatorDuck: Any competent player could easily win if attacking units were capped. There's a reason overwelming force is the most common strategy.
  2383. [Thu 15:25:49] DictatorDuck: ffs Honeycomb we need those players!
  2384. [Thu 15:25:54] Schatten: Huh? Win when there's a cap?
  2385. [Thu 15:26:10] Schatten: You can't overwhelm then.
  2386. [Thu 15:26:11] Honeycomb: By "win" you mean "defend" right?
  2387. [Thu 15:27:40] Schatten: Yes, defending is easy enough. But "overwhelming force" can't be done when you're a month old.
  2388. [Thu 15:28:57] DictatorDuck: Defenders pay less upkeep, get a combat bonus, and can optimally equipt their army. You're treating war like it's a random game for nations to gamble with. And yes, I did mean defend.
  2389. [Thu 15:30:31] DictatorDuck: It also would make unicorns the best unit by far.
  2390. [Thu 15:30:34] Honeycomb: about that unit cap, it occurred to me that 3000 unicorns hit a lot harder than 3000 cavalry
  2391. [Thu 15:31:14] Honeycomb: heh
  2392. [Thu 15:34:35] Schatten: I know it's not random.
  2393. [Thu 15:35:13] Schatten: And yes, unicorns hit harder. But Unicorns are expensive, and 3 Unicorns, I can counter.^^
  2394. [Thu 15:35:17] Incarnum: For it to be a cold war we need a few nuclear subs near ponycuba.
  2395. [Thu 15:35:31] Incarnum: And then we can surely claim it a ponywar.
  2396. [Thu 15:35:38] Incarnum: Ponycoldwar?
  2397. [Thu 15:35:44] Incarnum: warcoldpony?
  2398. [Thu 15:35:51] Incarnum: poconywarld?
  2399. [Thu 15:35:54] Schatten: ponyponypony?
  2400. [Thu 15:36:01] Incarnum: PONYPONYPONY!
  2401. [Thu 19:46:25] Honeycomb: Well that was an effective derail.
  2402. [Thu 19:46:44] Honeycomb: Not that I mind.
  2403. [Fri 01:49:27] NotASomepony: Guys stop exploding
  2404. [Fri 01:49:31] NotASomepony: Thats my thing
  2405. [Fri 01:51:44] NotASomepony: dang. Nation_Xplode™
  2406. [Fri 01:53:24] NotASomepony: Next person that lets a nation explodes, I'm suing them.
  2407. [Fri 01:53:39] NotASomepony: ^Pony
  2408. [Fri 01:53:56] NotASomepony: ^explode*
  2409. [Fri 01:54:06] NotASomepony: ^explodes*
  2410. [Fri 01:56:48] Honeycomb: Do we have a judicial system in this game?
  2411. [Fri 01:59:17] NotASomepony: Admin should add that.
  2412. [Fri 01:59:38] NotASomepony: Its better then what schatten was thinking about.
  2413. [Fri 02:01:38] Honeycomb: >CLOP: Ace Attorney
  2414. [Fri 02:03:14] Honeycomb: Because all this game needs is dialogue trees.
  2415. [Fri 02:05:05] Honeycomb: What else, what else... maybe an RTS minigame to replace war?
  2416. [Fri 02:05:20] Honeycomb: specific pixels where if you click them, it links to horse porn
  2417. [Fri 02:05:31] Honeycomb: konami code easter eggs
  2418. [Fri 02:06:41] Honeycomb: ooh, oohhh! ACHIEVEMENTS.
  2419. [Fri 03:41:33] Schatten: Oh, and a 30-hour epic story. Delivered in 6pt red text. Oo
  2420. [Fri 09:04:51] Admin: Honeycomb, in the chat room, with the candlestick- WAIT THAT'S NOT A CANDLESTICK
  2421. [Sat 22:29:28] Stormy: I'd be in favor of achievements. Not sure what though. They'd have to be something specific to attain that required some risk and you couldn't get just by maintaining a nice, easy stable nation.
  2422. [Sun 02:20:58] Schatten: Run 100 Malls for a tick. Ascend. Make 2k sugar / 5k oil / 2k copper / 500 gems / 2k energy in one tick multiple achievements, for the different regions). Have 10k troops.
  2423. [Sun 02:21:55] Schatten: Have an empire of 5 nations. Have an empire encompassing each region.
  2424. [Sun 02:22:12] Schatten: Adopt a second-tier government.
  2425. [Sun 02:27:19] Schatten: Huh. I think I acchieved all this in the past already.^^
  2426. [Sun 04:30:26] Honeycomb: Oh... oh no
  2427. [Sun 04:30:36] Honeycomb: We're not seriously floating this idea, are we?
  2428. [Sun 06:42:38] Danube: Achievements would be nice, but I don't think they're a priority. However, they might encourage new members.
  2429. [Sun 08:06:27] DeDuder: achievements are dumb for this type of game
  2430. [Sun 08:06:44] DeDuder: this game has many possibilites
  2431. [Sun 08:07:10] DeDuder: it's not fair to have someone be forced to follow one possible possibility
  2432. [Sun 09:10:48] Danube: "one possible possibility" ? EH? The hell are you talking about?
  2433. [Sun 10:04:35] Admin: you can float the possibility all you like I'm not gonna do it
  2434. [Sun 16:40:51] Schatten: Doesn't surprise me.^^
  2435. [Sun 16:41:34] Schatten: And yeah, >CLOP is not game fit for achievements anyway.
  2436. [Mon 07:53:46] Stormy: I feel like it'd be awesome to have an icon or something indicating that you managed to get at least one nation to ascend. That would be nice.
  2437. [Mon 09:03:54] Schatten: Well, there's an Ascensions page.^^
  2438. [Mon 15:52:29] NotASomepony: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  2439. [Mon 15:52:55] NotASomepony: IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
  2440. [Mon 17:07:23] Incarnum: so war and drama is over?
  2441. [Mon 20:32:01] Incarnum: what happened to "drama romance bloodshed"
  2442. [Mon 23:00:28] DictatorDuck: There is no room for love in the world of geoponitics!
  2443. [Tue 04:25:46] Danube: What were the specs of lunar clientelatte ? sat? transfers?
  2444. [Tue 04:27:42] Schatten: IIRC, it's 1250 max sat, and the rep fixed to 1k.
  2445. [Tue 11:12:34] fdadgasgdagdsagdg: Ayy
  2446. [Tue 12:25:27] Admin: >primitive trolling
  2447.  
  2448. [Wed 12:20:58] Stormy: Pretty quiet round here.
  2449. [Wed 15:40:30] Admin: whinny
  2450. [Wed 15:41:06] DictatorDuck: neigh
  2451. [Wed 15:52:54] angelicdemon: Wait when did we update the game?!!! Have i've been gone for too long?
  2452. [Wed 16:38:26] Honeycomb: of course you have been gone too long
  2453. [Wed 16:41:14] Honeycomb: parts upppppp
  2454. [Wed 19:13:46] DictatorDuck: at least there's less people taking down my messages
  2455. [Wed 19:48:42] NotASomepony: *Nickers*
  2456. [Fri 02:49:21] AzureSkies: Hihi~!
  2457. [Fri 02:49:46] AzureSkies: I'm new, and thought it would be good to not read the guide first. x3
  2458. [Fri 06:10:55] Incarnum: Well, do read the rules at least.
  2459. [Fri 07:34:16] Schatten: Lol. Well, good luck then.^^
  2460. [Fri 07:34:56] Schatten: But seriously, if you need help, resources or advice, ask away. You'll find we all like to help out newbies. :)
  2461. [Fri 08:35:54] Stormy: Well, the guide is kind of out of date, last I checked.
  2462. [Fri 08:40:19] Stormy: @AzureSkies If you don't like/can't afford the market rate, remember to post an offer on the buyer's marketplace.
  2463. [Fri 10:03:18] Schatten: Or message someone directly. I _am_ in need of some parts...
  2464. [Fri 15:22:57] NotASomepony: Pls buy copper and make dremto- I mean the "Frozen North" great.
  2465. [Fri 16:00:42] DictatorDuck: oh please do try to make Dreamtown greater!
  2466. [Fri 20:38:17] AzureSkies: I was honestly contemplating letting this nation die out, and starting again with a slightly easier nation, and not Przewalskia. x3
  2467. [Fri 20:48:43] Admin: the players clearly need an aware prze
  2468. [Fri 20:48:49] Admin: welcome to the game :)
  2469. [Fri 20:58:11] AzureSkies: Thanks~ :P
  2470. [Fri 20:58:31] AzureSkies: I spent so long making it silly~! x3
  2471. [Fri 20:58:44] AzureSkies: East Western Przewalskia, located to the South. x3
  2472. [Fri 21:09:02] AzureSkies: Also, sorry about my strange online-times, I'm Australia based, so yeah, time zones. x3
  2473. [Fri 21:58:20] DictatorDuck: That's actually a positive if the warticks work on your schedule.
  2474. [Fri 23:02:44] Honeycomb: What's this? A diss from the Admin?
  2475. [Fri 23:04:32] Honeycomb: No matter! I just got back from the Trump rally. No diss can lower my energy!
  2476. [Sat 01:31:39] Schatten: Burn, Honeycomb! Burn! But admin is right: another Pre can't hurt.^^
  2477. [Sat 01:31:45] Incarnum: MORNING.
  2478. [Sat 01:31:54] Incarnum: Caps...
  2479. [Sat 01:32:00] Schatten: Also, I find Pre kinda easy. Much less sat to worry about.
  2480. [Sat 01:32:06] Schatten: Hi, Incarnum.
  2481. [Sat 01:33:13] Incarnum: And I guess yes.
  2482. [Sat 01:33:19] Incarnum: Prze's can't really be oneshot
  2483. [Sat 01:33:24] Incarnum: By their own sat.
  2484. [Sat 01:33:35] Incarnum: Unless you overexpand your oil burning, but why would you do that?
  2485. [Sat 04:30:21] AzureSkies: That would be silly. :P
  2486. [Sat 04:34:29] AzureSkies: But yeah, I would have liked to have known to start off with another country startup, so I could get a feel for how to play, instead of the autoselected country being Prze. x3
  2487. [Sat 04:39:44] Honeycomb: I always liked Prze. My first nation, Heartvale, was Prze... You have to play the markets though.
  2488. [Sat 04:40:06] AzureSkies: Yeah, I don't think I'll be around enough to be able to do that, with Uni starting again and all~
  2489. [Sat 04:41:01] Honeycomb: Well, there's also the option of making backdoor deals to supply people with parts on a regular basis.
  2490. [Sat 04:41:15] Honeycomb: That avoids the markets.
  2491. [Sat 04:41:36] Honeycomb: Only problem is you have to talk to people.
  2492. [Sat 04:41:39] AzureSkies: True~
  2493. [Sat 04:42:02] AzureSkies: But again, time zones~ :P
  2494. [Sat 04:42:10] AzureSkies: It's only like 20 to 10pm over here~ :P
  2495. [Sat 04:42:23] Honeycomb: A lot of players here are from around the world.
  2496. [Sat 04:43:16] AzureSkies: True, true~
  2497. [Sat 04:44:39] Honeycomb: if it's 20 till ten, that means warticks for you are at... 5 AM and 5 PM?
  2498. [Sat 04:45:00] AzureSkies: Yup, perfect times~ :P
  2499. [Sat 04:45:10] AzureSkies: Asleep time and work time. x3
  2500. [Sat 04:45:34] Honeycomb: I dunno, seems kinda rough, unless you wake up at 4:00-4:30.
  2501. [Sat 04:46:54] AzureSkies: That's a big fat nope~! :P
  2502. [Sat 04:48:11] Honeycomb: Eh. Usually you want to be awake right before the wartick. But it's not essential, just slightly safer.
  2503. [Sat 04:48:44] AzureSkies: Don't wanna get back after a good night sleep to find your nation gone. :P
  2504. [Sat 04:50:05] Honeycomb: Right, exactly.
  2505. [Sat 04:51:57] AzureSkies: Thanks for all the help though~ c:
  2506. [Sat 04:52:12] Honeycomb: I... I helped? lol
  2507. [Sat 04:52:29] AzureSkies: I was pretty tempted to give up after being so confused and without info of how to play, but now I kinda get the idea of how to get things done~ :P
  2508. [Sat 04:53:47] Honeycomb: Well, we hope you keep at it. New player turnover is too damn high.
  2509. [Sat 07:23:13] Schatten: Honeycomb, Heartvale made it to the Ascensions page, remeber?^^ So Przes are awesome.^^
  2510. [Sat 07:23:51] Schatten: Talking to people is usually not a problem, even in different time zones. It just takes longer. And war ticks are only a problem if yu are at war.
  2511. [Sat 07:33:08] Admin: just don't die of something stupid, it's easier than you think
  2512. [Sat 07:33:26] Admin: and honeycomb I wasn't even thinking of you when I said that heh, I don't pay attention to who's got what
  2513. [Sat 14:12:59] Incarnum: My warticks are. 8 AM and 8 PM. Perfect times as I wake up at 7 check on here do all the shit before 8 am tick. lol
  2514. [Sun 01:16:49] Stormy: Heh. 1 AM and 1 PM here looks like. Not so great, but manageable. Better than 5 AM, at least I can see the 'midnight' tick and still get some sleep.
  2515. [Mon 04:58:10] AzureSkies: My only problem is remembering what I planned to do from tick to tick. 2 hours is a looong time to forget things in. :P
  2516. [Mon 08:52:59] Schatten: Pro tip: Make notes.^^
  2517. [Mon 15:02:01] Incarnum: Pro tip#2 get a pen and paper or something. *Taken from Admin... Just try to send yourself a PM. I dare you*
  2518. [Mon 17:02:14] Schatten: Hly crap. Sugar market seems to be empty. Ah well... everyone who wants to make me an offer instead of just grabbing it for a high price can send me a message. ^^
  2519. [Mon 17:03:20] Incarnum: I emptied it
  2520. [Mon 17:03:25] Incarnum: I just bought roughly 40k of sugar.
  2521. [Mon 17:03:34] Incarnum: I login once 3 days. Crash the oil market buy off everything else lol
  2522. [Mon 17:05:01] Schatten: 40k? I had more than half of that up. So you bought everything but mine? ^^
  2523. [Mon 17:05:10] Schatten: *still up
  2524. [Mon 17:05:12] Incarnum: Mhm
  2525. [Mon 17:05:29] Incarnum: There was around 20k at some lower price. I kept pressing "Buy all" till i saw yours
  2526. [Mon 17:05:38] Incarnum: My oil was at 90k
  2527. [Mon 17:05:40] Incarnum: lol
  2528. [Mon 17:05:48] Schatten: Oo
  2529. [Mon 17:06:18] Schatten: Oh, the others were cheaper than mine? Seems like pricees changd since I looked at them on Friday.^^
  2530. [Mon 17:06:41] Incarnum: It was under 15k
  2531. [Mon 17:06:46] Incarnum: But like really small bunches
  2532. [Mon 17:06:49] Schatten: Anyways, I pu 51k back up. Since that seems to be my market limit right now.
  2533. [Mon 17:07:06] Incarnum: Id buy coffee off of ya
  2534. [Mon 17:07:14] Incarnum: I still have 50kk to spare
  2535. [Mon 17:07:30] Incarnum: Even though I am not lacking naything lol
  2536. [Mon 17:07:34] Schatten: Sure. Put up a buy offer with what you wanna pay.
  2537. [Mon 17:07:41] Incarnum: Kay
  2538. [Mon 17:08:04] Schatten: Eh, I don't really need money right now. Bought out Honeycombs offer of VP with what bits I had.^^
  2539. [Mon 17:08:21] Incarnum: Well its up
  2540. [Mon 17:08:48] Incarnum: Ah. I still have a good stock of VP and MP so im pretty content for another 40 ticks or so lol
  2541. [Mon 17:08:54] Schatten: Done.
  2542. [Mon 17:09:04] Incarnum: Danke Sch(weird O)n
  2543. [Mon 17:09:26] Schatten: Yeah, but I wanna gather a stock of them. I'm still missing a good 400 farms in my nations.^^
  2544. [Mon 17:10:10] Incarnum: Well, if you need oil i still have a good stock
  2545. [Mon 17:10:17] Incarnum: So poke me if needed
  2546. [Mon 17:10:32] Schatten: *sigh* But I should really lower my rices more, should I? I'm sure there's people needing sugar...
  2547. [Mon 17:10:48] Incarnum: *shrug* I can afford it, can't speak for the rest.
  2548. [Mon 17:11:00] Incarnum: I have my oil price cheap not because i need bits.
  2549. [Mon 17:11:06] Incarnum: But because I need to get rid of it
  2550. [Mon 17:11:08] Incarnum: XD
  2551. [Mon 17:11:23] Incarnum: I have way too much oil and even at 5k per unit i'm making profit
  2552. [Mon 17:11:41] Incarnum: If only i had more nations to sell more oil xD
  2553. [Mon 17:12:47] Incarnum: tempted to make all my Oil Combustions into Gasoline.
  2554. [Mon 17:12:52] Incarnum: But that lowers my oil output :V
  2555. [Mon 17:13:09] Incarnum: And the amount of sat I'll make won't be enough to make as many oil production buildings
  2556. [Mon 17:13:16] Schatten: My reason to sell is to keep others alive.
  2557. [Mon 17:13:27] Incarnum: Its more of a bonus for me lol
  2558. [Mon 17:13:34] Incarnum: Like. "Free oil." *throws shit out*
  2559. [Mon 17:13:42] Incarnum: "Just take it, I dont want it"
  2560. [Mon 17:13:47] Schatten: ^^
  2561. [Mon 17:13:51] Incarnum: Beacuse I bet 5k per oil is a pretty normal price
  2562. [Mon 17:13:55] Incarnum: I mean oil is used the most
  2563. [Mon 17:13:56] Schatten: Seems cool though.
  2564. [Mon 17:13:59] Incarnum: It should be the cheapest.
  2565. [Mon 17:14:02] Incarnum: Since its easiest to make
  2566. [Mon 17:14:09] Incarnum: I have frakers that make 20 per tick
  2567. [Mon 17:14:14] Incarnum: You dont have sugar frakers
  2568. [Mon 17:14:22] Schatten: I know.^^
  2569. [Mon 17:14:27] Incarnum: your is max 8 per building, right?
  2570. [Mon 17:14:30] Incarnum: Same with copper
  2571. [Mon 17:14:32] Schatten: Yep.
  2572. [Mon 17:14:36] Incarnum: So oil should be atleast 2 times cheaper
  2573. [Mon 17:14:49] Schatten: But Burros and Zebras have secondary resources.
  2574. [Mon 17:14:56] Incarnum: Yep.
  2575. [Mon 17:15:05] Incarnum: Zebras are the hardest to survive if you ask me
  2576. [Mon 17:15:10] Incarnum: Not prze
  2577. [Mon 17:15:13] Incarnum: Prze will alwyas live lol
  2578. [Mon 17:15:19] Incarnum: Theres ALWAYS a need for parts.
  2579. [Mon 17:15:25] Incarnum: For copper, not so much.
  2580. [Mon 17:15:28] Schatten: They are, kinda. Przes are easy.
  2581. [Mon 17:15:47] Incarnum: I mean zebra is only needed when Prze is making something
  2582. [Mon 17:15:51] Incarnum: Or when someone wants to build
  2583. [Mon 17:15:58] Incarnum: And thep eople wont buy THAT much copper
  2584. [Mon 17:16:13] Schatten: You need copper for parts though.^^
  2585. [Mon 17:16:17] Incarnum: I mean when I build i buy around 20k xD
  2586. [Mon 17:16:20] Incarnum: But Im done building.
  2587. [Mon 17:16:28] Schatten: Malls need copper.
  2588. [Mon 17:16:30] Incarnum: I have nothing to build
  2589. [Mon 17:16:37] Incarnum: I've reached the productive cap.
  2590. [Mon 17:16:45] Incarnum: Building more will just make me waste money on sat
  2591. [Mon 17:17:07] Schatten: On _all_ buildings?
  2592. [Mon 17:17:14] Incarnum: On all oil production buildings
  2593. [Mon 17:17:19] Incarnum: I dont produce anything but that
  2594. [Mon 17:17:25] Incarnum: I dont make plastics to sell
  2595. [Mon 17:17:33] Incarnum: Hm...
  2596. [Mon 17:17:35] Incarnum: Might just.
  2597. [Mon 17:17:36] Schatten: GDP. Factories. Or malls.
  2598. [Mon 17:17:42] Schatten: Or plastics, yes.
  2599. [Mon 17:17:45] Incarnum: I have 2nd biggest gdp
  2600. [Mon 17:17:54] Incarnum: More malls will hurt me
  2601. [Mon 17:18:03] Schatten: Plastics are important in war. So it's useful to have a stock.
  2602. [Mon 17:18:05] Incarnum: Again my oil cap is reached beyond that its just a waste of money
  2603. [Mon 17:18:13] Incarnum: I mean I have my stock xD
  2604. [Mon 17:18:39] Schatten: Can never have enough,^^
  2605. [Mon 17:18:44] Incarnum: Might as well start making excessive amount of plastics
  2606. [Mon 17:18:47] Incarnum: I mean you can
  2607. [Mon 17:18:50] Incarnum: If its above 50k lol
  2608. [Mon 17:19:15] Incarnum: Yea Im gonna build shit now.
  2609. [Mon 17:19:23] Schatten: You still make more then. You only lose 1 for every 500.
  2610. [Mon 17:19:35] Incarnum: Yea
  2611. [Mon 17:19:42] Incarnum: I was at 90k oil when i logged in
  2612. [Mon 17:19:53] Incarnum: But you know, buying resources that you do not produce but those which you use
  2613. [Mon 17:19:55] Schatten: Especilly for oil, whch is needed in high numbers, that's not that much.
  2614. [Mon 17:19:56] Incarnum: Over 50K is a waste
  2615. [Mon 17:20:07] Schatten: True.
  2616. [Mon 17:20:14] Incarnum: Like for me buying over 50k machinery parts will be waste
  2617. [Mon 17:20:28] Incarnum: Especially since i use only 100 per tick lol
  2618. [Mon 17:20:43] Incarnum: And since I make oil, I dont even need to stock it up
  2619. [Mon 17:20:50] Schatten: Yeah. But you can have 50k of everything. Gems, Tungsten, etc.
  2620. [Mon 17:20:59] Incarnum: Thats what my goal is right now lol
  2621. [Mon 17:21:03] Incarnum: Thats the only goal im aiming for
  2622. [Mon 17:21:07] Schatten: K.^^
  2623. [Mon 17:21:14] Incarnum: i wonder will energy decay beyond 50k?
  2624. [Mon 17:21:25] Incarnum: i mean all things point to yes
  2625. [Mon 17:21:27] Schatten: Dunno. Probably.
  2626. [Mon 17:21:38] Incarnum: Welp, might just burn my oil to find it out lol
  2627. [Mon 17:21:47] Schatten: Don't. Burning uses sat.
  2628. [Mon 17:22:01] Incarnum: You think i dont have a +number of cupcakes per tick?
  2629. [Mon 17:22:11] Incarnum: I learned from my mistakes, i have a buffer of cupcakes
  2630. [Mon 17:22:29] Schatten: Yes. But 25k cupcakes just for that is a steep price to pay.^^
  2631. [Mon 17:22:50] Incarnum: Im thinking
  2632. [Mon 17:22:54] Incarnum: My oil burning fascilities
  2633. [Mon 17:23:00] Incarnum: They waste shitloads of sat
  2634. [Mon 17:23:09] Incarnum: Maybe itll be better sat wise burn oil per tick
  2635. [Mon 17:23:12] Incarnum: and disable them? XD
  2636. [Mon 17:23:41] Incarnum: I dont like my gasolines because 12 oil into 8 energy.
  2637. [Mon 17:23:54] Incarnum: or wait a second
  2638. [Mon 17:23:58] Schatten: Upgrade most to Gas? Saves sat.
  2639. [Mon 17:24:04] Incarnum: 10 oil
  2640. [Mon 17:24:26] Incarnum: 10 oil per 12 energy
  2641. [Mon 17:24:30] Incarnum: with combustion its 8 oil per 12
  2642. [Mon 17:24:37] Schatten: You need 20% more oil, for no sat use. That IS a good exchange, mostly.
  2643. [Mon 17:24:46] Schatten: *25%
  2644. [Mon 17:24:53] Incarnum: I dont have /that/ much of them
  2645. [Mon 17:24:54] Incarnum: I just think
  2646. [Mon 17:24:59] Incarnum: The amount of sat ill get per tick
  2647. [Mon 17:25:08] Incarnum: Wont be enough to build enough oil frackers to cover up for that oil loss
  2648. [Mon 17:25:18] Schatten: You have 5. That is much. They have environmental impact, you know?
  2649. [Mon 17:25:20] Incarnum: i mean 1 fraker or anything costs me around 50 sat or so
  2650. [Mon 17:25:21] Schatten: *50
  2651. [Mon 17:25:28] Incarnum: I do.
  2652. [Mon 17:25:35] Incarnum: But so do 220+ frackers mecha and wells
  2653. [Mon 17:25:38] Incarnum: xD
  2654. [Mon 17:26:01] Incarnum: i thought its a price worth to pay for extra oil with out building more sat hurting buildings
  2655. [Mon 17:26:14] Schatten: You could disable/dismantle sat buildings. Saves resources too.
  2656. [Mon 17:26:14] Incarnum: I didn't downgrade my buildings no. I just build combustions instead of gas
  2657. [Mon 17:26:42] Incarnum: The only buildings worth dismantling for me are malls
  2658. [Mon 17:26:48] Incarnum: But they give me the GDP XD
  2659. [Mon 17:27:23] Schatten: Why? 50 combustors take a lot of sat. Without that, you could dismantle, I dunno, a bunch of TnC's.
  2660. [Mon 17:27:37] Schatten: Which save on both oil and sugar.
  2661. [Mon 17:27:40] Incarnum: I mean righ now i counted everything. Even if i buy at the AVERAGE (which was some at some point) price the stuff that i need per tick. Then look at how much bits i make and if i sell my oil at 5k I still make a profit of around 20kk per tick
  2662. [Mon 17:28:10] Incarnum: Hm. You know
  2663. [Mon 17:28:12] Schatten: So? Is it less if you upgrade those combustors? Or more?
  2664. [Mon 17:28:20] Incarnum: It will be less most likely
  2665. [Mon 17:28:26] Incarnum: My sat pay for combustions isn't big.
  2666. [Mon 17:28:41] Schatten: It's not about how much you make ALREADY, it's about how much you make MORE.
  2667. [Mon 17:29:06] Incarnum: well its only 400 sat damage. Then theres the environmentals
  2668. [Mon 17:29:14] Incarnum: so its about 220~250
  2669. [Mon 17:29:28] Incarnum: thats 50 buildings which means i lose 100 oil if i upgrade
  2670. [Mon 17:29:36] Incarnum: and if i dismantle my toy shops and factories
  2671. [Mon 17:29:40] Incarnum: I will make less oil
  2672. [Mon 17:29:54] Incarnum: thats not even 10 shsops
  2673. [Mon 17:30:36] Incarnum: 4 oil per 4 plastic. roughly 4 plastic factories at top (That will be needed)
  2674. [Mon 17:30:46] Incarnum: and thats only 12+ oil if i dismantle
  2675. [Mon 17:30:54] Incarnum: Or i can build like 3 frackers lol
  2676. [Mon 17:30:58] Incarnum: which is just 60
  2677. [Mon 17:30:59] Schatten: 50 oil combustors is about 240 sat, you know?
  2678. [Mon 17:31:01] Incarnum: I will make less oil :V
  2679. [Mon 17:31:11] Incarnum: Thats 8 shops
  2680. [Mon 17:31:28] Incarnum: 8 shops use 32 toys
  2681. [Mon 17:31:47] Incarnum: Which is roughly 10-11 plastic factories
  2682. [Mon 17:31:58] Incarnum: And thats just 44 oil
  2683. [Mon 17:32:03] Incarnum: Well, theres sugar.
  2684. [Mon 17:32:11] Incarnum: But sugar is really not that important to me XD
  2685. [Mon 17:32:17] Incarnum: (I know it is, but meh~)
  2686. [Mon 17:32:33] Incarnum: I want my ponies to breathe poluted air >:D
  2687. [Mon 17:32:51] Incarnum: That and i dont want to bother waste resources on upgrades +Gasoline Refiniries
  2688. [Mon 17:33:19] Schatten: What's more, the oil you make usually means you lose some of it to inflation. Plus, sugar is more worth than oil, so the converted bit cost might pay off.
  2689. [Mon 17:34:05] Schatten: But I'm just playing devil's advocate. You know what you're doing.
  2690. [Mon 17:34:27] Incarnum: I mean I'm content right now
  2691. [Mon 17:34:33] Incarnum: I login once 3 days and I still have a big buffer
  2692. [Mon 17:34:36] Schatten: Alright then.^^
  2693. [Mon 17:34:54] Incarnum: I'm tempted
  2694. [Mon 17:34:57] Incarnum: To go into stasis
  2695. [Mon 17:34:59] Incarnum: For a while~
  2696. [Mon 17:35:06] Incarnum: And see how the market changes with out my oil XD
  2697. [Mon 17:35:12] Incarnum: Im sure myrami will fill it easily
  2698. [Mon 17:35:13] Schatten: I needs you oil though. Oo
  2699. [Mon 17:35:25] DictatorDuck: Oh please do stop selling oil.
  2700. [Mon 17:35:31] Incarnum: XD
  2701. [Mon 17:35:37] Incarnum: You'd like that?
  2702. [Mon 17:35:59] Schatten: See? Duck wants that. So don't do it. :P
  2703. [Mon 17:36:50] Incarnum: Its auto stasis if you're gone for over 3 days rightr?
  2704. [Mon 17:37:33] Schatten: Yes.
  2705. [Mon 17:38:19] Schatten: As in, not log in. One alliance mate of mine once _stayed_ logged in for three days and was stasised for not actually logging in.^^
  2706. [Mon 17:38:27] Schatten: But I think admin fixed that.
  2707. [Mon 17:39:05] Incarnum: i guess ill check in... 20k oil thats... in 10 horus to dump my 50k oil into the marke tagain lol
  2708. [Mon 17:39:18] Incarnum: Im just going to count how much time will it be till i have the oil decay cap
  2709. [Mon 17:39:35] Incarnum: there aren't any new Saddles out there, right?
  2710. [Mon 17:40:14] Schatten: hard rock de-stasised. But otherwise, News says no.
  2711. [Mon 17:40:44] Incarnum: I mean new that are under age 5 XD
  2712. [Mon 17:40:54] Incarnum: That I wont kill them with my oil price
  2713. [Mon 17:41:10] Incarnum: Since thats enough for me, they might not have enough bits.
  2714. [Mon 17:41:29] Schatten: If you're worried about that, don't set your prices that low.
  2715. [Mon 17:41:46] Incarnum: People dont buy otherwise, and I need to get rid of it XD
  2716. [Mon 17:41:52] Incarnum: Do you want any schatten?
  2717. [Mon 17:42:25] Schatten: I'm close below the cap now. But whatever.^^
  2718. [Mon 17:43:21] Incarnum: Well, set the buyers
  2719. [Mon 17:43:53] Schatten: Done.
  2720. [Mon 17:44:09] Schatten: Now _I_ have inflation. <.<
  2721. [Mon 17:45:04] Incarnum: xD
  2722. [Mon 17:45:24] Incarnum: Do you want me to sell it all?
  2723. [Mon 17:45:31] Incarnum: Or only a part of it so you dont lose to infaltion?
  2724. [Mon 17:52:01] Schatten: I'm already at the cap. So any amount put me into inflation. So might as well give it all, if you really stasis afterwards.
  2725. [Mon 17:52:39] Incarnum: Probably yes. I would like the copper price to drop :V
  2726. [Mon 17:52:56] Schatten: I'd like that too, actually.^^
  2727. [Mon 17:54:15] Schatten: But you know, with the player situation, you are needed. I'd ask you to stay, but at least make sure you aren't gone long, and come back.
  2728. [Mon 17:54:38] Incarnum: I just want the pries to change
  2729. [Mon 17:54:48] Incarnum: The market was so dynamic till i became this level of progress lol
  2730. [Mon 17:54:58] Incarnum: Did i kill it?
  2731. [Mon 17:55:06] Incarnum: Or was it the ragequit
  2732. [Mon 17:55:27] Schatten: You influenced it, obviously.
  2733. [Mon 17:55:32] Schatten: As do we all.
  2734. [Mon 17:55:44] Incarnum: I mean when i was a small nation
  2735. [Mon 17:55:53] Incarnum: it was up to 25k and peoplebought oil at that price :V
  2736. [Mon 17:56:01] Incarnum: By small i mean <500 oil per tick
  2737. [Mon 17:56:06] Schatten: I'm just saying. There's always the danger of players getting frustrated without your cheap oil and quitting.
  2738. [Mon 17:56:19] Incarnum: I find it stupid
  2739. [Mon 17:56:30] Incarnum: How one "starter" pack jumped me month forward in progression
  2740. [Mon 17:56:32] Schatten: Oh, that. Of course. Any nation as big as yours _seriously_ influences the market.
  2741. [Mon 17:56:38] Incarnum: And it just escalated.
  2742. [Mon 17:56:49] Incarnum: The further it was the faster i grew
  2743. [Mon 17:56:50] DictatorDuck: The stangant market is a direct result of the low playerbase.
  2744. [Mon 17:56:54] Incarnum: Then i had to destroy my 100 mals lol
  2745. [Mon 17:57:17] Schatten: Yes. With more players, individual nations' influence isn't as prominent.
  2746. [Mon 17:57:19] Incarnum: Gems were way too expensive and there were no cheap parts :V
  2747. [Mon 17:57:26] Incarnum: So now I took it slower.
  2748. [Mon 17:57:33] Incarnum: And ha. I influence something.
  2749. [Mon 17:57:40] Incarnum: For the first time in my life xD
  2750. [Mon 17:57:53] Incarnum: Im tempted to count my networth.
  2751. [Mon 17:57:57] Schatten: Lol.
  2752. [Mon 17:58:09] Incarnum: Like all my buildings price. With all the resources i put into it with the current price
  2753. [Mon 17:58:23] Incarnum: And probably be like
  2754. [Mon 17:58:30] Incarnum: "Where the fuck did i get all that money!?"
  2755. [Mon 17:58:57] Schatten: Yeah, it adds up.
  2756. [Mon 17:58:59] DictatorDuck: At this point, any developed player could probably start an empire of their own at the risk of further depopulating the game.
  2757. [Mon 17:59:16] Schatten: Yes. So we don't do it.
  2758. [Mon 17:59:40] Schatten: Well. Me, at least.
  2759. [Mon 17:59:53] Incarnum: You dont see me flailing any tanks around either
  2760. [Mon 17:59:55] Incarnum: I could...
  2761. [Mon 18:00:00] Incarnum: I could easilly. But its not worth
  2762. [Mon 18:00:23] Incarnum: Im mainly too lazy to count the war stats. Armors weapons ect.
  2763. [Mon 18:00:41] Incarnum: That and I dont want ot start any shit and make schatten mad XD
  2764. [Mon 18:00:51] Schatten: Heh.^^
  2765. [Mon 18:00:59] Incarnum: I just wonder
  2766. [Mon 18:01:08] Incarnum: What is the real active player count.
  2767. [Mon 18:01:13] Incarnum: That greatly contribute the game?
  2768. [Mon 18:01:20] Incarnum: Like. WHo buys all my oil?
  2769. [Mon 18:01:23] Schatten: Actually, I think I might announce the start of my mini-war idea tomorrow or so. Since I actually can tank a bit now.
  2770. [Mon 18:01:26] Incarnum: Who sells me them gems
  2771. [Mon 18:01:42] Schatten: Look in your reports.
  2772. [Mon 18:01:45] Incarnum: I never check the names in the reports
  2773. [Mon 18:01:49] Incarnum: xD
  2774. [Mon 18:01:53] Incarnum: I know i can
  2775. [Mon 18:01:55] Schatten: Do it then.^^
  2776. [Mon 18:01:57] Incarnum: But i need to move my mouse...
  2777. [Mon 18:02:04] Incarnum: Then list through walls of reports
  2778. [Mon 18:02:16] Schatten: And everyone who buys less than 100 units or so is probably in need of some help and encouragement.
  2779. [Mon 18:02:38] Incarnum: ... *goes and buys 99 of eery resource* HALP!
  2780. [Mon 18:02:51] Schatten: PIBH used to send a newbie package to everyone who bought less than 100 units, back in the day. On account of being helpful.
  2781. [Mon 18:03:06] Incarnum: I could send help package
  2782. [Mon 18:03:12] Incarnum: But that'd be mostly oil lol
  2783. [Mon 18:03:15] Incarnum: And bits
  2784. [Mon 18:04:03] Schatten: Doesn't matter. Still helps. Besides, if you send someone 5k sugar, they'd have enough for at least a week if they're new. Which is a major help, too, and for you, it's not much.
  2785. [Mon 18:04:11] Incarnum: Screw it
  2786. [Mon 18:04:19] Incarnum: I'm changing goverment type to 2500 sat cap
  2787. [Mon 18:04:24] Incarnum: And ill be the first place in GDP again
  2788. [Mon 18:04:34] Incarnum: since Le meme nation makes 100k less than me in raw GDP
  2789. [Mon 18:04:41] Schatten: But it's a moot point anyways, with the lck of new players.
  2790. [Mon 18:04:41] Incarnum: and i have 1k less sat
  2791. [Mon 18:05:01] Incarnum: Yea
  2792. [Mon 18:05:05] Incarnum: I wont be able to send copper
  2793. [Mon 18:05:20] Incarnum: My stock is purely for desperate times, if no parts are around and I need to make some myself
  2794. [Mon 18:05:24] Schatten: Then don't.
  2795. [Mon 18:05:31] Incarnum: Though I try not to XD
  2796. [Mon 18:06:29] Schatten: So. I'm off to bed now. I wanted to go to sleep an hour ago.^^
  2797. [Mon 18:06:35] Schatten: So cya.
  2798. [Mon 18:06:50] Incarnum: Meh
  2799. [Mon 18:06:56] Incarnum: 2 am, Im sick. i tried sleeping but cant
  2800. [Mon 18:06:59] Incarnum: Nini tho.
  2801. [Mon 18:07:17] Incarnum: 46kk GDP next turn
  2802. [Mon 18:07:26] Incarnum: Fuck i should have done that 8 minutes ago.
  2803. [Mon 22:17:28] Incarnum: woo I took my first place back. 1000 sat op
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