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<BoN> Are you the Jace Hall?
<jacehall> i posted on the forum but I think someone deleted it
<BoN> Your involved with Blood's development?
<jacehall> I am the reason you know Blood exists at all.. yes
<meleemario> holy shit
<meleemario> good to see you in here Mr. Hall, Blood is one of my all time favorite games!
<jacehall> I've come to this website because I was thinking about bringing blood back
<BoN> A Reboot perhaps?
<jacehall> wanted to see what the community thought of that idea
<jacehall> not a reboot
<jacehall> the original
<BoN> That's great news
<meleemario> like, release the source code??
<jacehall> i have the source code
<meleemario> my god, thats the best thing ive heard in a long time
<meleemario> id love it if the source code to Blood were finally released
<BoN> I think there is legal barriors though preventing you from releasing right?
<Hendricks266> jacehall: Wow, that's great news!
<Hendricks266> jacehall: Did you hang on to it way back from the original development or did you reacquire it since then?
<jacehall> if I wanted to release the source i could of course
<meleemario> i think we'd all like to know
<BoN> The source code could help this community
<jacehall> however, i am not sure if that is the best thing considering what I would like to do
<jacehall> so i have some ideas and I need to know what the community thinks
<jacehall> do you guys have a few minutes to discuss this?
<Hendricks266> jacehall: Absolutely
<BoN> Well....where to start...
<jacehall> ok first of all I need you all to understand that I am not looking to try to make money with what I want to do
<jacehall> everything I am talking about is intended to be free for everyone
<jacehall> got it?
<BoN> Got it
<jacehall> ok. Are you all familiar with ZDAEMON?
<BoN> I know ZDoom very well
<Hendricks266> ZDoom, ZDaemon, Skulltag, same family
<Hendricks266> Yes :)
<meleemario> yep, im familiar with em
<meleemario> big user of zDoom here
<Hendricks266> jacehall: Wow... there's so much to say...
<jacehall> well zdaemon is a really cool enhancement to doom that offers better networking, options, etc.
<Hendricks266> I know exactly what you mean
<Hendricks266> jacehall: http://eduke32.com
<Hendricks266> I am a member of the EDuke32 team
<BoN> Well have you heard the BloodXL project?
<Hendricks266> it's a modern "source port" using the original source code of Duke Nukem 3D release by 3D Realms
<Hendricks266> same BUILD engine as Blood
<jacehall> im familliar with eduke32 but it is not as robust as ZDAEMON... but you all know what I mean now right?
<Hendricks266> Yes, the Doom community is bigger and we have had the Doom source for a number of years longer than Duke
<jacehall> so i want to talk about this in 3 parts
<jacehall> The first part is the game BLOOD itself
<jacehall> The game BLOOD is awesome. AS IS. It has great gameplay and excellent ideas and is super fun to play. Can we all agree on that?
<meleemario> hell yes!
<Hendricks266> The original is the best.
<BoN> Well the original is better than Blood 2 at least
<meleemario> without a doubt
<jacehall> Ok. Part one of what I want to do is make it so that BLOOD is made to work NATIVELY on current computers (Mac/PC) without any special drivers/mods/etc. and that all platforms can play against each other on the same server.
<meleemario> you mean like release the source code, right?
<meleemario> or am i getting off track here?
<jacehall> the graphics would remain the same, except higher resolutions would be possible and there would be some enhancement options added (but not required)
<jacehall> forget about the source code for this part of the conversation. I am only talking about what I would like to do.
<meleemario> that would be wonderful!
<meleemario> carry on with what you were saying
<Hendricks266> Everything so far sounds good.
<BoN> Anyway, Jace Hall have you heard of Kurt's B2R by anychance? http://blood2r.com/
<jacehall> So are you following me so far in what I want to do with Part One?
<meleemario> yes, i follow
<jacehall> ok. So imagine this updated but ORIGINAL perfect working copy of BLOOD.
<jacehall> Now add all the standard network capability that you would expect in a modern game. Just like what ZDAEMON adds to Doom...
<jacehall> Are you still with me?
<jacehall> OK. Now here is PART 2
<jacehall> Now imagine that all of the things that matter in game, like frags, # of secrets found, time to complete a level in single play or co-op play, hit/miss shot percentages, battles won, etc. ARE ALL TRACKED in a universal BLOOD database that can be accessed by users and the information displayed
<meleemario> that sounds heavy
<jacehall> Now imagine that this database can not be cheated or hacked so you know that the information in it is always accurate
<Hendricks266> Interesting idea
<jacehall> Now imagine tournaments of every kind that the community can have. From who can play levels the fastest, to who is the best at bloodbath, etc.
<jacehall> and all the records are accurate
<meleemario> that would be pretty awesome
<Hendricks266> A leadboard! Nice
<jacehall> Certainly, anyone can make maps and levels for general use that dont get tracked, but imagine being able to submit your level into the system and have it be part of the official available set...
<meleemario> right, sounds like a rad idea
<BoN> Now what about single player? I'm never really into Bloodbath/Multiplayer that much though but it's just me
<jacehall> Imagine the CTF tournaments and etc. all of which can be part of a total blood gameplay experience
<jacehall> Suddenly, if you are investing a lot of time and skill into Blood, you can be recognized for it.
<meleemario> that would be pretty cool
<jacehall> Achievements can be set and clans can have official skins
<jacehall> Does all of this sound interesting to you? or do you think the community would hate this?
<BoN> Well like I said before I'm mostly a single player person
<BoN> Although there's others that like Bloodbath though
<meleemario> i like it, although i havent got the internet connection for multiplayer
<jacehall> so imagine now playing single player and having your achievements there be reflected in the database so other single players can try to compete with your accomplishments
<Hendricks266> I think it would blow the community's mind
<meleemario> ill say!
<jacehall> Ok. so now lets talk about source code
<jacehall> when source code is released in enables cheating/hacking greatly
<jacehall> especially for something like what I described
<Hendricks266> It's a tradeoff, like anything
<jacehall> When source gets released, it can sometimes really cause a community to break into small factions for all the different versions. This is what happened to DOOM
<meleemario> how do you mean exactly?
<BoN> Yep, I think there will be a ZDoom/EDuke32 Equilivant source port for Blood
<Hendricks266> That is true, but it's not a straight comparison. Doom had explosive popularity, more than Blood ever had
<BoN> I'm actually all for the modernization of Blood
<BoN> like adding new enemies/weapons/etc
<BoN> Also restoring stuff from the Alpha as well
<BoN> like Beast mode and such
<Hendricks266> There are two (three sort of) main ports of Duke 3D.
<Hendricks266> EDuke32 is the most advanced (I'm biased)
<Hendricks266> but the main developer tried to rewrite the network code to modern client/server architecture. something like you envision for Blood
<Hendricks266> then he got married and had a kid
<BoN> Of course Jace Hall have you heard of Brutal Doom? I would like to see a more gorier version of Blood...it needs more Blood
<Hendricks266> so the MP code has been somewhat broken in EDuke32 for several years
<Hendricks266> there is another port named xDuke
<Hendricks266> which is used solely for MP
<Hendricks266> a third called hDuke, based on xDuke, which was made to combat cheating and add more MP game modes
<Hendricks266> however, in the words of those who use hDuke and xDuke, many people check very often to see if there is progress on EDuke32's MP code
<jacehall> i see
<BoN> And also a Hall of Epiphany depicted from the cutscenes I always wanted to know why the cutscene HoE is different thant the retail level
<jacehall> Well, these are the thoughts I have about Blood....
<Hendricks266> I think Blood would turn out more like Duke's situation. Not splintered.
<Hendricks266> Even Doom is not in a bad spot per se
<jacehall> I will eventually figure it out...
<Hendricks266> Thinking about all your ideas
<Hendricks266> I like them very much
<meleemario> same here
<BoN> Of course I wanted to know where that Civalian from the ending came from and where that opening leads to....
<BoN> that Caleb shoots with the Tommygun at the end
<jacehall> but at least you can know that there may be more hope for Blood still. I've always loved the game.
<Hendricks266> Also, thinking about the experience in the history of Duke, and another Build game released by 3D Realms, Shadow Warrior:
<Hendricks266> they both had their source code released under the GNU GPL v2
<Hendricks266> meanwhile, the Build engine itself is released under its own license that says you are free to do almost whatever you want with the code as long as it remains for free and Ken still is credited
<Hendricks266> so we have a lot of freedom
<Hendricks266> It is true that keeping the source closed would prevent easy cheating and hacking
<Hendricks266> however, those things still exist for even closed-source games
<Hendricks266> also, open source does not necessarily mean easy hacking either
<Hendricks266> There is an algorithm named "SSH"
<Hendricks266> or SSL
<meleemario> Skulltag was closed-source for a while, and i think cheating still occurred?
<Hendricks266> (sorry, forget which, but they are closely related)
<Hendricks266> It is completely open source
<Hendricks266> it is
<jacehall> ya.. i will continue to this about this
<Hendricks266> might be named SHA
<Hendricks266> anyway, names aside
<Hendricks266> it is used to encrypt sensitive information, including many credit card transactions
<Hendricks266> it is how "HTTPS" works
<Hendricks266> and it is fundamentally secure, even being open source
<jacehall> Yes I know, I have a programming background... :) i am going to go play some ZDAEMON now and check stuff out...
<jacehall> please share what I have said with the community here. I am interested in hearing what everyone has to say...
<Hendricks266> Will do
<jacehall> thanks guys.
<jacehall> Stay great!
<Hendricks266> Stay in touch!
<jacehall> ill be around
<meleemario> we will, thanks for stopping by Mr. Hall!
<Hendricks266> Yes, thank you.
<meleemario> please stay in touch!
<jacehall> no problem
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