[11:19] <zL-jway> who setup the TS rankings?
[11:19] <zL-jway> I want to talk to them
[11:19] <zL-jway> for this invite division
[11:20] <ZephyR`work> zL-jway:
[11:20] <zL-jway> ?
[11:20] <ZephyR`work> from what I know it was based on past seasonal performances, the roster, and admin discretion
[11:20] <ZephyR`work> Just wanted to get your attention first
[11:20] <zL-jway> then why are we behind NN?
[11:20] <ZephyR`work> I dunno
[11:20] <zL-jway> I would like it explained
[11:20] <ZephyR`work> you'd have to ask the administrative group for that info
[11:20] <zL-jway> We finished ahead of NN in TS.
[11:21] <ZephyR`work> I'm just saying what I remember from reading in the forums
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[11:21] <ZephyR`work> well we've beaten ICU before too
[11:21] <ZephyR`work> so that doesn't explain much of anything
[11:21] <ZephyR`work> it's just a part of it
[11:21] <zL-jway> w/e.
[11:21] <ZephyR`work> for all I know they could have narrowed it to 10 players and picked it out of a hat
[11:21] <zL-jway> This all goes back to hate for zL and no zL being an admin
[11:21] <zL-jway> but alright.
[11:21] <ZephyR`work> err 10 teams, and picked 6
[11:21] <zL-jway> SA? NN? Proved they are better than us?
[11:22] <zL-jway> iono abt all that.
[11:22] <zL-jway> and iTc.. we have beaten like 5 times.. and they beat us once in the playoffs
[11:22] <zL-jway> and they are top?
[11:22] <zL-jway> lul.
[11:22] <ZephyR`work> I dunno
[11:23] <ZephyR`work> that's just what is said on the forums
[11:23] <zL-jway> this shit is wack
[11:23] <ZephyR`work> I was suprised by SA over itc tbh
[11:23] <ZephyR`work> ITC had a better consistency record from what I remember
[11:24] <ZephyR`work> playoff performance might be worth more too
[11:24] <ZephyR`work> so I hav eno idea
[11:24] <zL-jway> I'm sure whatever fucks zL out of a spot
[11:24] <zL-jway> was worth more
[11:25] <ZephyR`work> I thought sYn was their A team and SA was B team
[11:25] <ZephyR`work> did I have that backwards?
[11:25] <zL-jway> and if NN wants to make the claim they get legend..
[11:25] <zL-jway> well, bellum is gonna play this season
[11:25] <zL-jway> soooooo
[11:25] <zL-jway> what now?
[11:25] <zL-jway> Like.. what did these rankings come down to?
[11:25] <ZephyR`work> I haven't even seen legend play UrT once yet
[11:25] <zL-jway> UGH.
[11:25] <zL-jway> I need to talk to whoever decided this
[11:25] <zL-jway> explanation.
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[11:28] <sparkk> hi jway :D
[11:28] <sparkk> nice to meet you ..
[11:28] <sparkk> go play gtz vs zl
[11:28] <sparkk> after ?
[11:42] <Cham> to be fair, dt is probably a very easy win for zl
[11:42] <@Ender> to be more fair
[11:42] <@Ender> if zL loses
[11:42] <@Ender> they don't even deserve a qualifier spot
[11:43] <Touma> hey Cham sup
[11:43] <Cham> hi
[11:43] <zL-jway> None of this is the point.
[11:44] <zL-jway> The TS rankings should have been used.. thats why we have standings.. and a season.. to figure out a 1-6.. or a 1-10.. or 1-16
[11:44] <zL-jway> not have someone make it up
[11:44] <zL-jway> with biased
[11:44] <@Ender> by rankings
[11:44] <Cham> a playoff win counts more than ts rankings though
[11:44] <@Ender> you're right where you should be
[11:45] <zL-jway> lemme see these rankings then
[11:45] <@Ender> srsly jway, you don't deserve an automatic in
[11:45] <@Ender> when you've never moved out of round 1 of playoffs
[11:45] <zL-jway> rofl. People didnt SHOW UP.
[11:45] <Cham> you have the easiest qualifing match
[11:45] <@Ender> at least, not over teams that did
[11:45] <zL-jway> We're 5-1 or something
[11:45] <zL-jway> against itc
[11:45] <zL-jway> all time
[11:45] <zL-jway> rofl
[11:45] <@Ender> gj, gTz beat ven in a scrim the other day
[11:46] <zL-jway> ...
[11:46] <zL-jway> these are matches genius
[11:46] <@Ender> they don't get a spot over them all of a sudden
[11:46] <zL-jway> not scrims
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[11:46] <Cham> if people don't show up, that's not the fault of rankings
[11:46] <@Ender> you lost in playoffs, sorry we used "matches" to determine your placement
[11:46] <Cham> daelith didn't show up for our round 1 match either
[11:46] <sephy> the idea of people showing up or not showing up applies just as much to regular season as a playoff match
[11:46] <zL-jway> and NN? What have they done to merit such a spot?
[11:47] <sephy> many teams dont field a top roster for regular season
[11:47] <@Ender> 2nd round playoffs maybe?
[11:47] <sephy> they make it to quarterfinals
[11:47] <sephy> that's it
[11:47] <zL-jway> So pretty much.. the regular season was shit to yall
[11:47] <zL-jway> and playoffs meant everything
[11:47] <zL-jway> one match.. compared to 8 matches
[11:47] <Cham> we beat nn too in league play (with diff)
[11:47] <sephy> not everything, we used the additional rankings to determine who gets the opportunity to play for the remaining open six spots
[11:48] <zL-jway> I doubt itc would even say they are better than us after us beating them multiple times in the past few FTW seasons.. but alright!
[11:48] <sephy> it's recent results that count the most
[11:49] <@Ender> well, beat dT, and you'll have ample opportunity
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[11:49] <sephy> zL was right on the border, and they got placed in the "strong" grouping for the qualifier, meaning you were not going to get paired up against other teams considered strong like syh
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[11:50] <zL-jway> I wonder if zL had just set back and let people talk shit about us and never defended ourselves.
[11:50] <zL-jway> if we would be top 6
[11:50] <@Ender> maybe
[11:50] <zL-jway> thats what i wonder.
[11:50] <@Ender> being a dick can come back to bite you in the ass for sure
[11:50] <zL-jway> Other people are the dicks
[11:50] <|21-Hydr0> says ender
[11:50] <zL-jway> not us
[11:50] <|21-Hydr0> muahaha
[11:50] <zL-jway> sorry.
[11:50] <Touma> zL-jway, zl*II not play ctf ?
[11:51] <sephy> I have no idea what you are talking about
[11:51] <zL-jway> no. were all one clan touma for ctf
[11:51] <zL-jway> Even Ender admits
[11:51] <zL-jway> biased
[11:51] <Touma> ok
[11:51] <zL-jway> was taken into account
[11:51] <zL-jway> cooooool.
[11:51] <@Ender> really?
[11:51] <@Ender> is that what I said
[11:51] <@Ender> ?
[11:51] <zL-jway> <@Ender> maybe
[11:51] <zL-jway> <@Ender> being a dick can come back to bite you in the ass for sure
[11:51] <zL-jway> yes?
[11:51] <|21-Hydr0> lol
[11:52] <@Ender> all I know is
[11:52] <sephy> Look, the whole process followed a very simple formula:
[11:52] <@Ender> you're the only ones crying about it
[11:52] <zL-jway> because we're theonly ones that got fucked..
[11:52] <zL-jway> looking @ it.
[11:52] <sephy> 1.  Based on the most recent and significant results, meaning last seasons playoffs for Team Survivor
[11:52] <sephy> auto-advance the quarterfinalists to invite division
[11:52] <sephy> For any spots left over, select based on results and knowledge about the teams, the top contenders for the remaining spots
[11:53] <sephy> take those contenders, break them into two groups, one considered to be the stronger teams and one group for the weaker teams
[11:53] <zL-jway> Its like says.. some #13 team that MAGICALLY gets to the final 4
[11:53] <sephy> and randomly pair them against each other
[11:53] <zL-jway> is a TOP 4 TEAM
[11:53] <zL-jway> NO WAY
[11:53] <sephy> Because, they beat ven
[11:53] <sephy> and upset
[11:53] <sephy> when it COUNTED
[11:53] <sephy> i.e.  playoffs
[11:53] <sephy> you determine final standings
[11:53] <sephy> based on PLAYOFFS
[11:53] <sephy> like in every other sport, competition
[11:53] <zL-jway> uhhh.. so you're sayng St Marys makes it to the Final 4.. and they are a top 4 team
[11:53] <sephy> in the entire world
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[11:54] <zL-jway> People would never rank them #4 in the US the next year.
[11:54] <zL-jway> Worst teams make it to the final 4 sometimes
[11:54] <zL-jway> it happens.
[11:54] <zL-jway> dude
[11:54] <kbar> heylo
[11:54] <@Ender> or any other team in that list of 6?
[11:54] <zL-jway> i am worry about zL getting biaed FUCKED
[11:54] <zL-jway> over
[11:54] <zL-jway> as always
[11:55] <zL-jway> biased*
[11:55] <zL-jway> think I am scared of dt?
[11:55] <zL-jway> righttttt.
[11:55] <@Ender> well then why are you complaining?
[11:55] <zL-jway> i just told you.
[11:55] <zL-jway> ...
[11:55] <@Ender> so
[11:55] <sephy> jway, it's not bias, it was just the system I choose to use because I considered it the most relevant.  You can attack the system if you want, but it has nothing to do with you or any kind of bias.
[11:55] <@Ender> imagine this
[11:55] <tEh-kEEpEr> its the famous jway
[11:56] <sephy> The only bias is in which matches I consider to be more meaningful, not against any particular team
[11:56] <@Ender> 1. zL gets "fucked" because they lost in playoffs to iCu
[11:56] <@Ender> 2. they play dT and lose because "people don't show"
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[11:56] <@Ender> think we want a team in invite that can't garner a competitive roster?
[11:56] <tEh-kEEpEr> sephy dont you know its always corruption when someone looses
[11:56] <sephy> It's not even really that big of a deal
[11:56] <zL-jway> Uhhhhh.. Our people showed up to every match last season Ender..
[11:56] <zL-jway> it was ONE match
[11:56] <@Ender> and lost when it counted
[11:57] <sephy> because any team that ends up in open division still has the opportunity to fight all the way back to the top
[11:57] <sephy> plus guarantee themselves an invite slot next season
[11:57] <sephy> with a quarterfinal placing
[11:57] <tEh-kEEpEr> so ven lost to
[11:57] <tEh-kEEpEr> !tc
[11:57] <zL-jway> I like how everything comes down to the last thing u did.. rofl. History of s2 or anything is not taken into account.
[11:57] <tEh-kEEpEr> nobody could hit
[11:57] <sephy> jway, if a team goes 16-0 in regular season NFL but goes out first game of the playoffs
[11:57] <@Ender> hitting mexicans = separates the men from the boyz :P
[11:57] <sephy> do you seed them #1?
[11:57] <sephy> of course not
[11:57] <sephy> recent history does matter the most
[11:58] <tEh-kEEpEr> like the pats, undefeated and lost superbowl
[11:58] <zL-jway> and the next season
[11:58] <zL-jway> who was picked to win?
[11:58] <zL-jway> THEM<
[11:58] <zL-jway> or AT LEAST
[11:58] <zL-jway> top3
[11:58] <sephy> Picked by who, by people making guesses
[11:58] <zL-jway> you go 16-0 in the regular season.. believe me..
[11:58] <sephy> some people guessed they wouldn't win
[11:58] <zL-jway> you will be picked to do well the next season
[11:58] <sephy> who are you to say which system is right