MCXBPE01/07/2020
Hey guys, @Bumblewasp this is the potential investor @Nine and Nine this is the other Co-Owner of Pickaxed: Bumblewasp
Here is the link to our Discord if you'd like to join: https://discord.gg/JsFqdUX
Bumble will probably be on in a couple hours so we can resume talking then

Nine01/07/2020
Well let’s start on some details

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay

Nine01/07/2020
What’s the network about? What’s the goal here?
What is the expected player base?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
The network is as of now just a custom Aerial Prison gamemode. We're going to be discussing a release date when he gets back on the server but I would say due to the size of the Discord, I would assume our starting playerbase (people that will continue to play after release) will be 10-20 players, of course we can grow that but as of now I'm not sure how much it'll be growing to

Nine01/07/2020
Aerial Prison
Explain please

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Correct, so it's our own custom gamemode that we're creating. Basically it's like prison but we're going to be having tools with custom enchants, some small changes here and there, and the biggest feature (as of now, we plan on adding more appealing features like this in a couple of weeks) is that you don't have a plot to put your supplies in, we just don't think that's how a typical prison would function. Instead, you have a cell that's on a floating island (kind of like a skyblock, except you're encaged). And in your cell you'll be given a chest with very few farming materials, a crafting table, a furnace, and a Warden NPC. With this warden you can trade farming materials (like wheat) to get other farming materials you didn't start out with (like pumpkins and melons) thus this will allow you to have food for yourself and eventually if you rank up enough the warden will let you leave your cell and build onwards of your island. Your goal is to not only rankup in the prison but have the largest cell level on the server and be the best prisoner there is

Nine01/07/2020
So economy skyblock

MCXBPE01/07/2020
What do you mean sorry?
Like the economy would be based around skyblock?

Nine01/07/2020
No
There’s a specific competitive style in skyblock
It’s essentially what you’ve described

MCXBPE01/07/2020
What is it exactly? Like a prison gamemode with a cell island?
Or is it like you're stuck on your island and you have to rank up to get out

Nine01/07/2020
Are there mines on your server

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Yes
Prison mines
That would be their main source of income is the mines, not the farming materials

Nine01/07/2020
ah
Dismiss the economy skyblock comment

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay, no worries

Nine01/07/2020
Are you offering any cell top reward type thing?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Yes, Bumble and I haven't discuss specifics on the reward but we'll be offering store credit and paypal money

Nine01/07/2020
Great
Sounds like a semi unique concept

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Thanks!

Nine01/07/2020
Where’s the budget at currently

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Right now we've purchased most of the development process, we'd just be using your investment to be paying a developer to customize some of our plugins, fix a couple of bugs, and we may use the rest of your investment towards advertising depending on how much you'd be willing to invest
We already have the host, the concept setup, the builds, the domain, the xenforo, the plugins that we needed

Nine01/07/2020
Alright
Let me go down the checklist with you guys

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay

Nine01/07/2020
After I get on my pc

MCXBPE01/07/2020
No worries

Nine01/07/2020
Alrighty

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Welcome back

Nine01/07/2020
What host are you using?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Titan Nodes

Nine01/07/2020
How much is it

MCXBPE01/07/2020
$11.40/Month (6GB)

Nine01/07/2020
Diamond plan huh

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Yup

Nine01/07/2020
It's an ovh reseller panel
Free DDoS protection?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Probably, most host like this are
Yup

Nine01/07/2020
oh wait actually
it might be a sys reseller
if its only 1.7

MCXBPE01/07/2020
It's i7 cpu if that's what you mean

Nine01/07/2020
Do the staff get paid?
and no, I mean its only 1.7 tbps

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Oh okay
And the current staff on board are not

Nine01/07/2020
Could you name them all?
Can you send some photos of the builds?
Can you estimate the cost of the redo on some plugins from the developers?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Building doesn't start till the 12th
And the owners are in the chat, BDM32703 is the administrator and Rohan is our moderator, and the developer we want to hire charges $20/week

Nine01/07/2020
I see
Any links to this dev?
Seems like a bit of a scam

MCXBPE01/07/2020
https://www.mc-market.org/members/171044/
MC-Market
Hobbing
Hobbing is a Professional Manager at MC-Market

Do you know developers?

Nine01/07/2020
I have a team of 11 devs under me

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Oh awesome!

Nine01/07/2020
Though, all of them quite expensive in comparison to that.

MCXBPE01/07/2020
If they're good and have better rates I'll love to contact one of them
What kind of rates?

Nine01/07/2020
$12/h or around there
Those are for the lowest tier dev

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay, well we can discuss all of that later

Nine01/07/2020
However, I'm sure they can complete whatever you need completed in a few hours

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay

Nine01/07/2020
Are the builds paid for?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Yes, they're already paid

Nine01/07/2020
Great
How much is the total?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Of how much we spent?

Nine01/07/2020
Of the builds

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Oh, they'll be free, I know the guy in real life so he's doing this as a favor
And he's a top tier builder, he's not one of those guys who builds like crap lol

Nine01/07/2020
Any portfolio>?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Not really, but trust me I've seen his builds, he's just not as professional as most builders
But we don't need to worry on the builds atm, if you were to invest money it wouldn't be going towards builds

Nine01/07/2020
Alright
It's not about that
It's about assessing the state of the server

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Ah, okay
Well I can update you about the building process in about a week
Any other questions?

Nine01/07/2020
Yea
Give me a few

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay, no worries

Nine01/07/2020
No logo or website done I assume

MCXBPE01/07/2020
We do have a logo, just not a banner

Nine01/07/2020
Can I see the logo

MCXBPE01/07/2020
It's just our discord logo
That pickaxe

Nine01/07/2020
That's not a logo lmfao

MCXBPE01/07/2020
It's a good icon, we'll need to get better graphics though for other things

Nine01/07/2020
Theres no spark about it
it's just a default texture pack icon type deal
You'll probably want a rework on that
Anyways
I'll offer you my team of resources while I'm an investor; Condition is that I ask for 145% ROI; I'll be investing around $300
Quick maths, the return is $435

MCXBPE01/07/2020
So your team would be an additional cost? Or they cost with the investment?

Nine01/07/2020
Additional
Oh
I mean with the investment
they will be open to you

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Oh okay
I'll discuss this with Bumble

Nine01/07/2020
Any update

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Hey, we're in a call right now discussing the deal

Nine01/07/2020
Great

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
Hey Nine, nice to meet you. MCX and I believe you offer is fair and we like the fact that you are offering your connections. Is there any more questions you have for us?

Nine01/07/2020
Yea
Where are you from?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
I'm from the United States

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
I'm from the UK.
We believe this will make it easy to manage the server as we are available over more timezones.

Nine01/07/2020
Ages?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
18

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
18 aswell.

Nine01/07/2020
Have you guys known each other for a while?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
We've known each other for a few months now I'd say

Nine01/07/2020
Is this before or after the creation of the server

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Before

Nine01/07/2020
I see
How did you find each other

MCXBPE01/07/2020
MC-Market, just from third party connections.
I have another staff member on the team that I know in real life, he was the builder I was telling you about as well

Nine01/07/2020
Right
Whats the mutual level of trust here

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
Obviously with the online industry there are risks even if you have known people for years. Nevertheless, we got along well before this project and either of us ruining this project would be financially and morally inefficient.

Nine01/07/2020
How do the shares work
is it 50/50 or

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Yup

Nine01/07/2020
Nice

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
Do you have a rough estimate when you would like to start this investment?

Nine01/07/2020
I can do today
But I want to see your protection

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
What do you mean by protection?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Are you asking us to show you how you'll be getting your money back?

Nine01/07/2020
The server protection
Stopping invalid clients from doing anything

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
DDoS Protection?

Nine01/07/2020
DDoS prot is provided by the host.
That has nothing to do with this

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Like, anti-hacking plugins?

Nine01/07/2020
Like
Anti Jigsaw plugins

MCXBPE01/07/2020
I mean we had planned on just getting a configuration of NCP as this is only a custom prison server. Besides fighting in the Kit-PvP zone there's not much hacking you can do.
All the ores are displayed in spawn, you aren't really interacting with other users, and there's no need to dupe (which even if there is a need to dupe we'll have that covered with our plugin)

Nine01/07/2020
I don't believe you know the extent of what these guys can do.
Theres invalid proxy clients that will allow them to log on and imitate you, perms and all. They can completely destroy your server.
You're not quite experienced enough in server creation if you don't know this.
Although, it should be fine once resolved.
I know I've asked this indirectly, but I want to see if there's anything else.
What is the monthly server cost currently?

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
I have been involved with a number of Minecraft servers, both large and small. I understand that there is a risk of exploitation and I always use diligence through every step of the creation process. Using this, I was able to release Blocksville with over 150 players with no issues. Nevertheless, I really appreciate your concern. I will look into the latest research in this area and would be happy to look into areas which concern you particularly.

Nine01/07/2020
I'm sure with the money earned from that 150 playerbase you could at least fund this project. What happened exactly?

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
As we are currently in the development process, we are keeping costs to a minimum. It is currently just a low-scale hosting package that we are paying for monthly (as well as some minor costs, such as the domain and webhosting). Upon release, we do expect an increase in monthly costs but your investment will probably be used towards custom development and advertisement.

Nine01/07/2020
Way to answer the question

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
I was answering your first question regarding our monthly costs. I will answer your second regarding my finances now.

Nine01/07/2020
I know that; you didn't give me an answer.

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
The monthly costs are current near zero (approximately $20), so we can invest as much as possible on initial investment.

Nine01/07/2020
Got it

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
Overall, I did make net profits on Blocksville. Nevertheless, it did not peak when I expected due to restrictions on my partners financial contributions. For this reason, I did have to sell my share in the server and I did make less than I hoped with my large initial investment. Blocksville was 2 years ago and I do not reserve all my capital for Minecraft. Presently, my financial situation is healthy and I have saved up money to invest in this project. Nevertheless, further investment is always welcomed as more custom development and advertisement can only lead to more success under our good management.

Nine01/07/2020
That would be a great response for a large scale project. This is an small project, so I am a bit confused as to why you need investors if your financial situation is healthy.
You're just losing money.

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
Although my financial situation is healthy, I use the vast majority for living and personal development for my primary current and future sources of income. For this reason, I have a restricted amount available for my Minecraft projects. Despite this, I have spent recent months saving up for the project. I appreciate you think that taking your money would lead to a loss in funds for me, but I personally think that your $300 could generate more than $435 if invested in the correct places.
Even though I could theoretically invest $300 more in Minecraft right now, that would also restrict the available cash flow I have right now for non-Minecraft related spending - which at the moment (hopefully) have a net reward of more than $135.

Nine01/07/2020
alrighty

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
I hope I was able to answer your question. Are you ready to proceed with the investment?

Nine01/07/2020
Do you have an hour
I've got about 5 pages of paperwork I've got to fill out
Afterwards, I can invest.

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
That is perfectly fine. I will have to go to sleep shortly as I am based in the UK, I'm sure @MCXBPE can deal with final arrangements later.

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Yup, just message me when you're ready :slight_smile:

Nine01/07/2020
Great

Nine01/07/2020
I'm ready

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay great!
So would you like my PayPal email?
Or do you want me to confirm on MC-Market first

Nine01/07/2020
Yea
Email

MCXBPE01/07/2020
soenixhelp@gmail.com

Nine01/07/2020
sent

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Awesome! We'll send you updates on the builds in a week! Anything else you'd like to know?

Nine01/07/2020
No

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Okay


Here is proof I've received the investment!

Nine01/07/2020
Oh
When would you return said investment
I believe you said two weeks or smth

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Um, no?
We will do our best to get it out as quickly as possible but I can't guarantee 2 weeks as we won't even be open by then

Nine01/07/2020
It was on mcm; when is the estimate?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
On MCM I said we may try to release by the end of January but I haven't talked to Bumble about a specific date, anything I was saying though was towards a $100 investment. Although I never said 2 weeks or even a specific date we would have this return, all I can say is you'll be slowly getting your money back.
My estimate would be a couple months at least as $145 dollars is hard to payback then just $20.

Nine01/07/2020
I asked for timeframe, and you said estimated 2 weeks ish for payback.

MCXBPE01/07/2020
For a $20 return on a $100 investment. Not a $435 return on a $300 investment.
That's a much larger scale
Nine, this is a Minecraft server, you're getting your money back through profits of the server. How do you expect us to get $435 from release? That's nearly impossible

Nine01/07/2020
No I understand
I was just stating

MCXBPE01/07/2020
I'm not trying to come off as a scam, I'm just trying to be realistic, I'll always be giving you updates and I'm not gonna disconnect from you out of no where
And I'm truly sorry for the miscommunication

Nine01/07/2020
So are we thinking like

MCXBPE01/07/2020
All I'm saying is since this is a larger investment we will need a lot more time

Nine01/07/2020
6 weeks?

MCXBPE01/07/2020
We would estimate 2 months (8 weeks) from release. Please bare in mind though we can't calculate server profits, only estimate. Also, bare in mind that we won't be pocketing any of the money until your investment is paid off so if we're taking longer than expected don't think we're doing this to scam you.
Although I would truly love for this to be a huge success and give it to you asap, but time can only tell, which is why we're all invested into this

Nine01/07/2020
So when is release

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Bumble and I haven't discussed a specific date and it's very late for him at the moment, but my personal goal is by the end of January assuming that everything is on track.

Nine01/07/2020
So around 3 months for the ROI

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
That would be our estimate, correct.

MCXBPE01/07/2020
That is our estimate. We'll keep you updated along the way

Nine01/07/2020
I mean
That's ridiculously long for $135

MCXBPE01/07/2020
Nine, if anyone on MC-Market said they could return that much money solely from the profits of a Minecraft server any sooner, they would be attempting to scam you.

Nine01/07/2020
You said you'd be returning it from the jobs that you work at.
Not the profits of your server.

MCXBPE01/07/2020
1. That was again said about the $100 investment
2. That was said if the server had failed

Nine01/07/2020
The second point was never mentioned
I'll accept a payback at 9 weeks latest; Otherwise, we'll be cutting this investment short.
March 10th

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
We have spent a good amount of time discussing this with you and you are eligible for a very high ROI if Pickaxed is successful - we also have invested large amount and the server succeeding is in our best interests.

Nine01/07/2020
Phenomenal
Are you going to agree to my conditions, or am I going to have to withdraw early?

Bumblewasp01/07/2020
Yes, the projected goal for this investment is March 10th.

Nine01/07/2020
Great

NineLast Tuesday at 8:16 AM
week one
Updates?

NineLast Wednesday at 3:42 PM
^

MCXBPELast Wednesday at 3:42 PM
Oh crap my bad
I meant to reply to this
We have a banner being made for advertisement, and all the configuration is done for basic plugins, we're just now making the plugins that will make it more unique
Feel free to let us know anything you think we should add to the server to make it more unique

NineLast Wednesday at 3:45 PM
Are you going to post it

MCXBPELast Wednesday at 3:45 PM
Post what?

NineLast Wednesday at 3:46 PM
oh nvm
i read wrong
i thought you said you already had the banner made

MCXBPELast Wednesday at 3:46 PM
Nope my apologies, it'll be done in a few days

NineYesterday at 4:59 PM
Updates

MCXBPEYesterday at 5:00 PM
Brady is building the spawn atm and Bumble is resigning from the team, I've just done a bunch of config and I hired a manager named Mason

NineYesterday at 5:07 PM
Alright