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  1. Section "Developers"
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  3. 1) Link to https://rentry.co/manjaro-controversies
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  5. - Section "Stability"
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  7. Manjaro doesnt hold back all packages for a week. There is no single magic number. Some Stable updates happen days within each other. If you use the Unstable branch you are rather close to Arch Stable - packages should be updated within hours of hitting Arch.
  8. https://imagebin.ca/v/5KTa4Vtlk6Wx
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  11. - Section "Suitable for beginners"
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  13. Simply stating 'rolling release is not for beginners' is probably gate-keeping .. but a subjective opinion at best.
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  15. - Section "SSL certification issues"
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  17. OK yes that happened. Years ago. Nothing like it since. Most of the team is different than then. You can dig up skeletons for many distros.
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  19. - Section "Partial upgrades"
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  21. This section is hilarious. It just flatly states ' manjaro has users do partial upgrades' and points to a few things like the archwiki and a gist about how partial upgrades are bad... but no evidence as to how manjaro 'suggests users perform a partial upgrade'... probably because no such thing exists?
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  23. - Section "Yaourt & Pamac"
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  25. Pamac is _not_ a frontend for pacman. It uses the ALPM. If you dont know the difference you shouldnt be so brazen as to write pages like this...
  26. Yaourt is not even in the repos or the AUR and is vehemently warned against any time it is mentioned.
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  28. - Section "Monetizing"
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  30. Making hardware deals to sell linux laptops is bad? OK I guess..
  31. Well, tell that to fedora, and KDE, and everyone who is happy to have a fully working pinebook...
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  33. - Section "Dodgy miscellaneous stuff"
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  35. What system update script? This entire section again makes random claims without support and seems to belie either very very old applications or simply was never true at all. (again there is no pacman wrapper .. or an 'update script', etc) There is certainly no 'rm' a lock file while pacman or pamac is run.. so..
  36. Oo my favorite conspiracy theory! "Manjaro fakes distrowatch score with bots". Hilarious. If anyone cared that much about a distrowatch ranking we should all feel a bit sorry for them. But no .. that doesnt happen, isnt done, no one cares. I guess this little nugget gets repeated every time a relative newcomer gets highish rankings there.
  37. Again .. this whole section is made almost entirely out of fallacy.
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  39. - Section "Systemd manual downgrade"
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  41. Actually that is _not_ a manual downgrade. Using '-Syuu' or similar allows for downgrade during sync. Due to the versioning issue that was actually the proper way forward. In rolling sometimes manual interaction is needed. Sometimes it is tried to be made smoother. The 'epoch' variable is actually supposed to be avoided because it sticks with the package virtually forever. Arch maintainers refer to them like ugly scars.
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  43. - Section "Conclusion"
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  45. Again this is untrue. At one point there was a bit of frustration between the groups. But there are whole threads on the manjaro forums, backported patches and fixes, working with upstream etc.
  46. And yes security fixes are fast-tracked. Here are some examples:
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  48. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/stable-security-update-2020-04-04-firefox-74-0-1/133714
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  50. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/stable-update-2019-01-19-security-update-to-systemd-v239-series/72462
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  54. All in all - I think there were many reasons the original document was taken down. The idea that someone else blindly copied and hosts it now only shows how little effort was put into verifying claims that had already been abandoned by the original author.
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