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  1. [22:28] Harkon: https://gyazo.com/482124d356bbf7484f971e74483212c2 I was talking about kenny, but thats even funnier in context.
  2. [22:28] Harkon: Not you. XD
  3. [22:34] ʀosa ᴍ.: i know who you were talking about.
  4. [22:34] ʀosa ᴍ.: and i draw the line at that kind of talk.
  5. [22:35] ʀosa ᴍ.: you're so upset over make believe internet fun times that you compared someone ooc to that.
  6. [22:37] Harkon: I've called somebody who is corrupt, corrupt. Somebody who is proven by logs to be corrupt, who you're actively permitting to be corrupt because he's your friend. Yeah. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with hurting feelings with the truth. People use terms like 'whining' or 'upset' when legitimate grievances come up that they ignore. You're staff in the guild and an official faction. I think that you have thick enough skin to discuss the matter, at least, without throwing out something to mitigate the problem. Were you not left in charge? What is the point of you having responsibility if you're gong to pass the buck to the problem, then get mad at the people bringing it up?
  7. [22:38] Harkon: You should at least, have thick enough skin to discuss it.
  8. [22:38] Harkon: You shouldn't exist to maintain the OOC Status quo through friendships. I'd like to think you've got more integrity than that, otherwise I'd not talk to you on it.
  9. [22:41] Harkon: You can't hold a position like that, then have a complaint, and block the person complaining with an excuse like 'it's just a game' to avoid the problem. Yeah. it sucks to talk about. Yeah, it's a problem in your lap. Welcome to leadership101
  10. [22:41] Harkon: Where it doesn't go away by ignoring it
  11. [22:44] ʀosa ᴍ.: i've heard you out this entire time. i've heard all your complaints, i've talked to kenny on your behalf and he's listened.
  12. [22:44] Harkon: Then where's the feedback?
  13. [22:44] ʀosa ᴍ.: i've been working really hard to work with you instead of against you.
  14. [22:44] Harkon: is it going to improve? Was there never a problem?
  15. [22:45] ʀosa ᴍ.: there was a problem, but there was also a problem on your side too.
  16. [22:45] ʀosa ᴍ.: the issue was two-sided.
  17. [22:45] ʀosa ᴍ.: that's my completely unbiased view.
  18. [22:45] Harkon: Yes. Red was being shitty. I've been shitty in chat. I've done my best over the last day and a half to avoid talking about it there anymore.
  19. [22:46] Harkon: and by god, I didn't want to talk about it today, but MY integrity rests on whether or not I get get somebody I vouched for through. That's my integrity on the line. If I failed to talk to you on it, or make sure it wasn't solved, ID be an accomplice to something shitty. Do you feel where I'm coming from?
  20. [22:47] Harkon: IF I didn't follow through, or ask about it, or bring up questions, and just sat down and accepted things without question, it would actively mean that I told people who rely on my judgement to fuck themselves. That's on me.
  21. [22:48] Harkon: I'm fine with people hating me, but by god I'm going to be consistent when I tell somebody I'm going to do something.
  22. [22:49] Harkon: That's where I'm coming from. Sure. I'll look like a bitch. It looks petty as hell, but I've told people things before that weren't follow through on.
  23. [22:49] Harkon: And I'm sorry if that comes off as aggressive
  24. [22:50] Harkon: it isnt
  25. [22:50] ʀosa ᴍ.: the reason i blocked you was because you compared someone to a terrorist over something that happened in SL
  26. [22:50] ʀosa ᴍ.: i have heard all the complaints you've had of corruption
  27. [22:50] ʀosa ᴍ.: but idk - it's like talking bad about my toddler irl
  28. [22:50] ʀosa ᴍ.: there's someone behind that computer
  29. [22:51] ʀosa ᴍ.: and they may have made shitty actions in your opinion, but they don't deserve that
  30. [22:51] Harkon: I compared him to one of the members of iraqi police. We actually put them in power and trained them. Thats a red herring and much longer story though. They aren't terrorists.
  31. [22:51] Harkon: well. Most of them.
  32. [22:51] ʀosa ᴍ.: point is there's someone behind that computer
  33. [22:52] ʀosa ᴍ.: i understand why you said it
  34. [22:52] ʀosa ᴍ.: i understand why you feel the way you do
  35. [22:52] ʀosa ᴍ.: but it still isn't right to compare him to someone irl over sl
  36. [22:52] ʀosa ᴍ.: not like that
  37. [22:52] Harkon: Yes. There is .I should be nicer. You're absolutely right on that scenario, but after 3 days of it, and past problems, it feels like braining myself with a nine iron. Like. Kind of running in circles.
  38. [22:53] Harkon: I'm running in circles
  39. [22:53] Harkon: and it's getting increasingly more frustrating to find my water dish
  40. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: really? cause after 3 days of this, i broke down crying tonight
  41. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: i've run this guild by myself for 3 weeks and nothing bad happened
  42. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: but everyday, it's something
  43. [22:53] Harkon: Well. I never intended for something like that to happen.
  44. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: bhg discord channel
  45. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: diana
  46. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: this
  47. [22:53] ʀosa ᴍ.: everything
  48. [22:54] ʀosa ᴍ.: everyday, i have to wonder 'i wonder what my hunters have done to stress me out today'
  49. [22:54] ʀosa ᴍ.: anyway, i have a headache
  50. [22:54] ʀosa ᴍ.: i'd like to stop thinking for a second
  51. [22:55] Harkon: Okay.
  52. [22:55] Harkon: I'm not trying to cause you stress.
  53. [22:56] Harkon: And I apologize if it has.
  54. [22:56] Harkon: I don't like to hurt anybody, or make em feel bad, or anything like that, unless they generally ask for that throw down. I apologize for that fallout
  55. [22:57] Harkon: I'm blunt. It comes off rude, but when people questioned my integrity, I figured it was far important to speak my mind, and make less friends, than it was to be easy about it, and make them think I lied. Its sort of an unfortunate side affect of me wanting to be honest with others and myself.
  56. [22:58] Harkon: I know how it comes off, and I'm sorry. I shouldn't create such a stink for somebody with that sort of a burden.
  57. [23:00] Harkon: Now you've got me feeling bad and shit.
  58. [23:00] Harkon: I'll pipe down until lone gets back.
  59. [23:00] Harkon: I'll pass my logs to kenny
  60. [23:01] Harkon: shut myself up, and stay out of the other chat
  61. [23:01] Harkon: I'll trust that you've got your lane covered
  62. [23:01] Harkon: which I'm sure you do
  63. [23:02] ʀosa ᴍ.: just try to cooperate and work to make the guild better instead of tearing it apart, okay? i know you don't like the guy and find him corrupt, but he's doing his job. lone will be notified of all. let him handle it. the noisier you get, the less seriously people take you. you don't want that either.
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