Sylvirr
so fun fact
if you end up getting a spirit pass
you can use that spirit pass on a character that has already passed
I was recently informed of this (recently, being a few months ago?)
so if Holl dies before you get the spirit ep but end up getting a pass later, that can still be a thing.
riv
i thought that was a known thing
..
Sylvirr
It was not.
It isn't written anywhere.
riv
i did that with gisela aha
Frazz
some of us are super slow rip
Sylvirr
wasn't, and still isn't
if I had known that, I would have made Clarus a spirit the firsttime.
But it's too late now and you know that it's a very bitter, salty subject for me
riv
(never too late)
Sylvirr
but yeah, its a thing.
Frazz
If I do manage to get a spirit pass after he dies - unless i get attached to another character then he's gonna haunt everyone
riv
i think it's best if you honestly wait.
Sylvirr
get attached to celeste bcuz she is a d o r a b l e
and i want to rp with her more
celeste n anteros threads k
Frazz
I knooooow ugh I love my earth kid I just never hav muse for her anymore
Sylvirr
she can learn more about kaede and earth and stuff from anteros
Frazz
Xech and I were gonna have Celeste and Aster be an item at some point
Sylvirr
since kaede is partially responsible for his existence**
Xech also says Aster will return at some point
Frazz
good then lesbian healers can commence
riv
pssst. just a small thing, if you wanna continue this particularly conversation. pm it or do it on the official server ;) because i wanna get down to business (and defeat the huns) with you guys
Sylvirr
also suggestion board opens....the 11th, ye?
riv
that's what i was gonna talk about.
As we have talked about before, staff will be refraining from input in this current suggestion board round to avoid any comments that may come off as defensive or feeling hurt. Any ideas you may personally have, can go into the staff suggestion however (and possibly be opened up for discussion if it’s a thing necessary for member input) I think it’s best to not post in the public forum this rotation. Not sure how others think on that, but I believe removing ourselves completely would be wise to get the most authentic opinions and suggestions put in.
To answer your question, we agreed that it would be opened up after the end of the event. Meaning the suggestion board opens up tomorrow.
That was posted in the announcement I made in the public server.
Sylvirr
yeah i thought we agreed on that BUT ALSO I thought the board opened the 11th but tbh I am vvvv bad with dates that rhyme  but
was there anything we were supposed to put up as a term for discussion that never got spoken about last time? I remember SOMETHING but I can't....remember...what that something was
riv
Nothing immediately comes to mind for discussions. Though I'm sure something will if people post about it.
also @Frazz the not active staff role is actually just for the Doutaini account in the server that no one is ever on LOL
Just so you are aware that it is not an assignable role for the staff members.
sorceror
spent like 30 seconds trying to think of a date that rhymes but came up with nothing
anyway am I still supposed to b like moderating that thing or what
idk tam mentioned it and I was like yeah ok but tams gone soo
riv
Er.
Sylvirr
yah i think we're still supposed to like..make sure it doesn't devolve into arguments
riv
I think now would be a smart move that we won't moderate it.. till we need to? And go from that basis.
Sylvirr
but to just like
not comment
and watch
sorceror
i think that leaving it unmoderated is a bad idea but that having literally every member of staff doing it is also
Sylvirr
and occasionally use the 'simmer down' stick since theres always gonna be ONE person
riv
I'm not saying leaving it unmoderated.
sorceror
there is always that one person
riv
I'm saying we leave it till we come to that basis it and discuss it as a group rather.
Sylvirr
yeah it was supposed to be just me and sorc watching it to make sure it doesn't turn into a trash heap and I am cool with that
riv
Rather than relying on that one person.
or two in this case.
sorceror
i think waiting until something happens is a bad idea bc then itll just take longer to solve the problem
vs having someone who can just immediately b like everyone chill out
Sylvirr
^
riv
I think you're misinterpreting what I mean by that.
I'm not saying wait until it goes into a trash heap of commotion. I'm taking about until we start to see a problem develop.
Sylvirr
also by moderating the board we don't mean actually swooping in and being like YOU ARE BEING OFFENSIVE APOLOGIZE
more like using the 'quiet down' hat when an obvious argument happens that isn't constructive
sorceror
yeah that
its a lot easier for one person to jump in and do that then wait for everyone on staff to chime in on the issue
Sylvirr
cause it's bound to get tense, of course, but tension is fine as long as nobody is actively attacking someone and being a dick
sorceror
while it starts to boil over
riv
I'd rather it be a staff discussion if I'm being honest here.
sorceror
i mean i guess its technically up to you as the only admin
Sylvirr
tbh that takes too long sometimes, and we're not talking about discussing the issues
sorceror
but me and syl are around a lot more often than like everyone else
Sylvirr
we're talking about making sure the PEOPLE aren't being disruptive
riv
I'm aware Virr.
Sylvirr
IE; If person A calls out person B on being a smarmy bitch and person C jumps in to defend person B, it is best for someone to immediately say 'calm down' instead of waiting for a staff discussion to come to the same conclusion of 'calm down'.
sorceror
like
5 hours later
riv
Again not what I mean by discussion.
Sylvirr
Because that's extra time that could have been spent both focusing on the actual subject, and giving all those people invilved time to simmer and get more annoyed at the situation
I suppose I don't understand what you mean, then?
sorceror
yeah i guess not either
Sylvirr
because no matter what, any suggestion put forth will be a staff discussion of course, but the behaviour of the people in the forum SHOULDN'T be left up to discussion, it should simply be enforced
riv
Staff discussion I'm implying is not related to the topics or suggestions
What I'm meaning is that it might be wise of us to create some rules of behaviors that will not be accepted ,possibly. Allow for the chance of self moderation however if need be we can come in, guide the chats and access in situation because. The way one interprets a message as argumentative or defensive isn't how another is going to see it and I'd rather avoid others getting in trouble for something that wasn't an intentional voice to be carried. That isn't gonna help us out in the long run. If we make our terms and guidelines, and post them on the board prior to the opening. We can create a strike system for it possibly to take proper account in those cases.
Sylvirr
ngl it should be the same rules you're already expected to follow? I guess I just assumed everybody already knew how you should conduct yourself when given the chance to air your opinions or suggestions
riv
In these cases it's why I believe a staff discussion with all of us is important because communication and understanding for all of the members to understand why we chose to follow with x, y, and z for a course of action.
It's like being in kindergarten when voicing your opinion. You need to lay it out so people understand what is expected and how it will be handled if they chose to not follow the terms laid out.
sorceror
i mean we already have site rules
Sylvirr
you know, don't insult people, remain respectful, try to keep cursing to a minimum, etc etc, the normal things that people are already expected to obey when they join the site
sorceror
i dont see how we need to add further site rules to one board when like the ones we got already are there
riv
Not what I mean either.
I'm saying we state them again. Posted  freshly there, and explain the actions that may be taken if they chose not to follow them and the staff deem it to be not within the limits laid out.
I’m heading out for dinner so I’ll be back around later if any of you wish to discuss it further. Just directly message me please.
Sylvirr
I disgaree with that because that's truly undermines the intelligence of the userbase
but eh, I'll put together something later
just go enjoy dinner
sorceror
i agree
riv
How is reposting the rules (for new members who haven't been here for our suggestions, and those who just have forgotten over time) undermining the intelligence of the userbase?  I don't see how laying out the rules and possible actions that may be taken as that.
sorceror
but i mean ur gonna do what ur gonna do
regardless so
just do it i guess
riv
By posting those rules, it doesn't give people the option who may react negatively in the suggestion discussions to say "Oh I didn't know." And it should cut out more of a likelihood of that happening?
Sylvirr
tbh that shouldn't matter? If you kill someone and didn't know it was a crime, does that absolve you from the ramifications? No. You still did it. If you kill someone and you know its bad but you say 'I didn't know', does that excuse you because you simply SAID you didn't know? No.
Doesn't matter. It was a rule, it was broken, you read them when you joined and they're there for you to read whevever you want.
we can say 'hey read the rules just to be sure' but we don't need to hold their hand and tell them to obey
riv
Virr. Message me privately.


AND THEN....


溺死
You're coming off extremely defensive in how you're writing.
Sylvirr
Sorry, not what I meant. Just trying to be, like I said, blunt and concise
溺死
What was meaning to be a discussion about setting out guidelines so people are aware honestly feels like the undermining me and borderline aggression.
Sylvirr
What I mean is; the rules have already been written, you read them when you join. I think re-writing them for the suggestion forum is not only stupid, but insulting to the small userbase we've managed to keep, because it treats them like children who don't know any better, or who dont have the ability to read or learn things for themselves.  For newer members; it should be even fresher in their minds since they recently joined and recently read the rules, moreso compared to those who have been there longer.  I  think that simply saying 'refresh yourself on the rules before posting' would more than cover everything.
The guidelines are already set, you agreed to follow them when you joined the site, you don't need to re-set them, or set extra ones. If they mess up and say something wrong, it's THEIR fault, not staffs, not yours, not the rules. THEY are the ones who chose to not educate themselves before posting and THEY are the ones who have to suffer the consequences that come from it
there don't need to be extra rules for the forum, its just that forum in particular has the habit of becoming a battleground BECAUSE its very nature is 'people putting their opinions out there' and unlike the rest of the site where you can separate ooc from ic, that whole forum is OOC meaning people are more attached to their words and bound to be more defensive about them.  You don't have to hold their hands for it-- just remind them that rules exist, and they gotta be followed.
cut, dry.
I suppose I don't understand why that needs/needed to be a discussion, since we assumed it was already a given since everybody on the site is an adult with the capacity to understand ramifications for their actions
btw if I was being aggressive I would actually say so, you know this. I appreciate you telling me that I'm coming off as aggressive tho, I really don't know any other way to  talk  so I apologize if it makes you feel like that
I'll try harder to...idk? I'm not sure how to soften my words any
溺死
The whole discussion which I was trying to explain turned into an argument before I had any chance to thoroughly explain myself.
Sylvirr
just; if I disagree with you,  I will tell you I disagree with you, and then I will tell you why, and I TRULY don't intend for that to sound mean, I just...always figure it's better to be honest and informative when it comes to any sort of platform where it concerns other people
also; I didn't understand that as an argument