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  1. 8 May
  2. Matthew VanDyke
  3. 08/05/2013 17:38
  4. Matthew VanDyke
  5. I read your piece on chemical weapons
  6. good analysis
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  8. Eliot Higgins
  9. 08/05/2013 17:39
  10. Eliot Higgins
  11. Thanks, not being able to get an exact ID is driving me (and a lot of other people) mad
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  13. Matthew VanDyke
  14. 08/05/2013 17:39
  15. Matthew VanDyke
  16. it could be homemade
  17. it looks like pvc pipe to me
  18. I didn't look too closely, but it could be some industrial part they brought in from Turkey
  19. or from the chlorine facility you mentioned
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  21. Eliot Higgins
  22. 08/05/2013 17:40
  23. Eliot Higgins
  24. There's other similar looking gas grenades with the same PVC look, but I get the feeling it could be made in Syria or Iran
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  26. Matthew VanDyke
  27. 08/05/2013 17:40
  28. Matthew VanDyke
  29. don't rule out the possibility that the rebels do have a small quantity of chemical weapons
  30. I've had information for a few months on this
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  32. Eliot Higgins
  33. 08/05/2013 17:41
  34. Eliot Higgins
  35. Did you see my last post about JaN having one of those grenades?
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  37. Matthew VanDyke
  38. 08/05/2013 17:41
  39. Matthew VanDyke
  40. This is OFF THE RECORD
  41. I am just telling you since you've done so much good work in this field, you have a right to know about the likelihood
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  43. Eliot Higgins
  44. 08/05/2013 17:41
  45. Eliot Higgins
  46. I'll keep it off the record
  47.  
  48. Matthew VanDyke
  49. 08/05/2013 17:41
  50. Matthew VanDyke
  51. I think it was your last post that I just read
  52. I have a source that has been reliable in the past, who gave me information about the rebels having acquired a small quantity a few months ago, and I know what building they came out of.
  53. and I know some things about the building, having been to the site, that give the information some additional credibility
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  55. Eliot Higgins
  56. 08/05/2013 17:43
  57. Eliot Higgins
  58. Did they mention what type?
  59.  
  60. Matthew VanDyke
  61. 08/05/2013 17:43
  62. Matthew VanDyke
  63. The Syrian regime was openly contemplating the idea of letting inspectors into the Aleppo case for a reason
  64. I do not know what type they were
  65. The rebels hauling the stuff out of the building might not have even known what type they had captured
  66.  
  67. Eliot Higgins
  68. 08/05/2013 17:45
  69. Eliot Higgins
  70. You know if it was artillery shells, mortars, etc?
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  72. Matthew VanDyke
  73. 08/05/2013 17:45
  74. Matthew VanDyke
  75. I do not know
  76. I think it was a small quantity, judging by where they were stored
  77. but by small quantity, I mean possibly hundreds of shells of some type. I do not know.
  78. The source didn't have that level of detail.
  79. I'm just telling you so that you'll keep an open mind about these incidents and not have anything come totally unexpected to you in the future about chemical weapons use in Syria
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  81. Eliot Higgins
  82. 08/05/2013 17:48
  83. Eliot Higgins
  84. I'll keep an eye out then
  85.  
  86. Matthew VanDyke
  87. 08/05/2013 17:49
  88. Matthew VanDyke
  89. You did not hear any of this from me
  90.  
  91. Eliot Higgins
  92. 08/05/2013 17:49
  93. Eliot Higgins
  94. Okay, understood
  95.  
  96. Matthew VanDyke
  97. 08/05/2013 17:52
  98. Matthew VanDyke
  99. I mean privately you can discuss it with other journalists I suppose and tell them that I told you, since I did post something about it on The NVC awhile back, but what I posted on The NVC was more vague than what I just told you, and even what I told you is more vague than the level of details I actually know.
  100. Matthew VanDyke
  101. 08/05/2013 17:53
  102. Matthew VanDyke
  103. I just don't want to be quoted in any articles about it. I'm just telling journalists so they're prepared for the possibility of gas exposure if they work in the Aleppo area.
  104. as a safety issue
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  106. Eliot Higgins
  107. 08/05/2013 17:54
  108. Eliot Higgins
  109. Yeah, not a problem
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