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  2.  
  3. julian [3:01 PM]
  4. AMA BEGINS NOW!!!
  5.  
  6. sambiohazard [3:01 PM]
  7. thanks
  8.  
  9. dread [3:01 PM]
  10. kinda thinking i should start with a quick intro?
  11.  
  12. horus [3:01 PM]
  13. whos ama
  14.  
  15. sicarious [3:01 PM]
  16. @dread: to start off, could you give us a brief overview/update on the project? (edited)
  17.  
  18. sicarious [3:01 PM]
  19. yeah
  20. dread
  21. [3:02 PM]  
  22. Uploaded a file
  23. the_decentralized_library_of_alexandria_08152015.pdf
  24.  
  25. dread [3:02 PM]
  26. k, flip thru this as i go if you'd like ^
  27.  
  28. Online content distribution currently relies on a number of central points of failure that often result in poor playback experiences, limited monetization options and content makers feeling that they aren’t being fairly compensated. The Decentralized Library of Alexandria is disintermediating content distribution, replacing “”server side”” tasks with financially-incentivized user provided ones and eliminating unnecessary waste from the process. Alexandria is not just an app, it’s a standard for permissionless publishing of valuable digital content on the internet, embeddable anywhere, with monetization choices entirely up to content makers. It can help users resist content censorship and tracking and makes ad-based monetization entirely optional instead of the only choice for many content makers.
  29.  
  30. dread [3:03 PM]
  31. so we looked at each popular content app - from netflix to itunes to spotify to youtube - and broke down all of the server-side jobs that they do
  32.  
  33. dread [3:03 PM]
  34. and figured out how to make them all user provided jobs
  35.  
  36. dread [3:03 PM]
  37. so, Alexandria is actually two applications
  38.  
  39. dread [3:04 PM]
  40. the Alexandria browser, and Librarian, a daemon manager
  41.  
  42. dread [3:04 PM]
  43. the browser either gets its data from local info, via Librarian
  44.  
  45. dread [3:04 PM]
  46. or from web gateways
  47.  
  48. dread [3:04 PM]
  49. two primary APIs, one for looking up the library index itself
  50.  
  51. dread [3:05 PM]
  52. the web gateway for which can be found here: http://libraryd.alexandria.media/alexandria/v1/media/get/all
  53.  
  54. dread [3:05 PM]
  55. and the second for looking up the contents themselves, the web gateway for which can be found here: http://ipfs.alexandria.media/ipfs/Qmeke1CyonqgKErvGhE18WLBuhrLaScbpSAS6vGLuoSCXM
  56. :devon:3  
  57.  
  58. luigiplr [3:06 PM]
  59. lololololol @devon emoji
  60.  
  61. sambiohazard [3:06 PM]
  62. @dread: when can we start uploading files, WorldCryptoNet YT channel are looking for alternatives since one of our videos was blocked by YT
  63.  
  64. dread [3:06 PM]
  65. if the user is running librarian and its local daemons, they get the same results at:
  66.  
  67. http://localhost:41289/alexandria/v1/media/get/all
  68. and
  69. http://localhost:8080/ipfs/Qmeke1CyonqgKErvGhE18WLBuhrLaScbpSAS6vGLuoSCXM
  70.  
  71. dread [3:06 PM]
  72. you can do so right now, but it's laborious - we are working on an update to make the publishing process as easy as YouTube right now, should be out within about a week
  73.  
  74. dread [3:06 PM]
  75. will look like this:
  76. :devon:2  
  77. dread
  78. [3:06 PM]  
  79. Uploaded an image: publish album - populated - sneak preview.png
  80. Add Comment
  81. :+1:1  
  82.  
  83. horus [3:07 PM]
  84. @dread , So the point of this is to make a way for content makers to get paid?   because technically you wouldnt need a coin persay just to run a blockchain based library?   And with incentivized nodes, wouldnt you be setting up for a central point of failure?   ifa big one goes down, wouldnt you lose a chunk of your library?
  85. :moneybag:1  
  86.  
  87. sicarious [3:07 PM]
  88. that's sexy, low barrier of entry is key to adoption.
  89.  
  90. dread [3:07 PM]
  91. @horus: "wouldnt need a coin just to run a blockchain based library"
  92. :book:1  
  93.  
  94. dread [3:07 PM]
  95. please explain please
  96.  
  97. dread [3:07 PM]
  98. and "incentivized nodes"
  99.  
  100. saintgermaine [3:08 PM]
  101. @jimmyk: your the library guy right? hope your checking this AMA with Dread of Alexandria Project...I assume you could ask better questions than most
  102.  
  103. jimmyk [3:08 PM]
  104. i am following :simple_smile:
  105.  
  106. horus [3:08 PM]
  107. well you could use blockchain without a monetary token. The articles are what have value, not the tokens.  and incentivized nodes are masternodes that get money for hosting content
  108.  
  109. dread [3:09 PM]
  110. the point of the project is to create a single open standard to let content makers get paid regardless of which front end an end user finds their content
  111.  
  112. horus [3:09 PM]
  113. ok, so point is to pay content makers. Thats what I was wondering.
  114. :bitcoin:1  
  115.  
  116. dread [3:09 PM]
  117. i agree, but the security of the blockchain that stores the library is very important
  118.  
  119. dread [3:09 PM]
  120. and the financial incentive from sellign the block rewards is what drives security
  121.  
  122. dread [3:09 PM]
  123. (in a POW world, of course)
  124.  
  125. dread [3:10 PM]
  126. keep in mind please
  127.  
  128. dread [3:10 PM]
  129. that the token paid to content makers is not the same token used to secure the library
  130.  
  131. dread [3:10 PM]
  132. we're using Florincoin as our library index only
  133.  
  134. sicarious [3:10 PM]
  135. that's news to me
  136.  
  137. dread [3:10 PM]
  138. not the payment protocol, we're using BTC for that
  139. :bitcoin2:1  
  140.  
  141. horus [3:10 PM]
  142. why not just use bitcoin for micropayments and scrap token altogether, while keeping backend in the seperate token?
  143.  
  144. dread [3:10 PM]
  145. the idea is to seperate each commodity involved
  146.  
  147. dread [3:10 PM]
  148. then how do we keep the index?
  149.  
  150. ekdromoi [3:11 PM]
  151. > use bitcoin for micropayments
  152.  
  153. saintgermaine [3:11 PM]
  154. duh, micro payments are dead
  155.  
  156. dread [3:11 PM]
  157. "while keeping backend in the seperate token"
  158.  
  159. dread [3:11 PM]
  160. santgermaine, i dont think they are
  161.  
  162. saintgermaine [3:11 PM]
  163. so they tell me
  164.  
  165. dread [3:11 PM]
  166. you can send zero fee transactions
  167.  
  168. dread [3:11 PM]
  169. and they still come thru faster than ACH
  170.  
  171. saintgermaine [3:11 PM]
  172. i hope not as well
  173.  
  174. dread [3:11 PM]
  175. horus, to be clear, we are using btc for payments from users to artists
  176.  
  177. dread [3:12 PM]
  178. and we're letting artists pay for their publishing costs with btc
  179.  
  180. dread [3:12 PM]
  181. (behind the scenes it trades to FLO and uses the FLO to publish)
  182.  
  183. sambiohazard [3:12 PM]
  184. @dread: What about piracy? is there a way to censor content or some kind of rating system? is there some way you the devs can control content?
  185.  
  186. dread [3:12 PM]
  187. so, everything works for users who only have BTC, but if someone has FLO things are more direct
  188.  
  189. sicarious [3:12 PM]
  190. or childporn, while we're on the topic.
  191.  
  192. dread [3:12 PM]
  193. yes
  194.  
  195. dread [3:12 PM]
  196. two mechanisms
  197.  
  198. dread [3:12 PM]
  199. 1) child porn and it's ilk
  200.  
  201. dread [3:13 PM]
  202. we have a blacklist
  203.  
  204. dread [3:13 PM]
  205. which the libraryd API checks
  206.  
  207. dread [3:13 PM]
  208. so, if a TXID is listed in the blacklist, it wont show up in the library results
  209.  
  210. dread [3:13 PM]
  211. but we're using that only for stuff like child porn
  212.  
  213. dread [3:13 PM]
  214. for the sake of copyright infringement we have a more programatic approach
  215.  
  216. fate [3:13 PM]
  217. what if MPAA comes with lawyers to remove content?
  218.  
  219. sambiohazard [3:14 PM]
  220. so you control the blacklist?
  221.  
  222. dread [3:14 PM]
  223. publishing Music + Movies both requires some additional info
  224.  
  225. fate [3:14 PM]
  226. to them, its the same
  227.  
  228. dread [3:14 PM]
  229. the child porn blacklist, yes
  230.  
  231. sambiohazard [3:14 PM]
  232. ok
  233.  
  234. dread [3:14 PM]
  235. the extra info basically connects the individual to themselves on musicbrainz or imdb
  236.  
  237. fate [3:14 PM]
  238. blacklists should have node voting
  239.  
  240. dread [3:14 PM]
  241. and then they send a tweet with the connection
  242.  
  243. fate [3:14 PM]
  244. not a central location
  245.  
  246. dread [3:14 PM]
  247. fate - i agree
  248. :+1:2  
  249.  
  250. dread [3:15 PM]
  251. we'll get there
  252.  
  253. dread [3:15 PM]
  254. so, when someone comes along and finds a song they want to play
  255.  
  256. dread [3:15 PM]
  257. their local client will check that its still authorized
  258.  
  259. dread [3:15 PM]
  260. by checing that the tweet still exists
  261.  
  262. dread [3:15 PM]
  263. if it does, its authorized
  264.  
  265. dread [3:15 PM]
  266. if it doesnt, its not, and it wont be shown
  267.  
  268. dread [3:16 PM]
  269. and the tweet needs to claim that the person is the same name as the person in IMDB or Musicbrainz
  270.  
  271. fate [3:16 PM]
  272. what will be done to maintain the twitter database? you can only search so many back, and they ban bots all the time
  273.  
  274. sambiohazard [3:16 PM]
  275. @dread: hmm dont you think something like onename or keybase is a better option than a tweet?
  276.  
  277. dread [3:16 PM]
  278. we'll store the tweet ID of the authorizing tweet with the artifact data
  279.  
  280. dread [3:16 PM]
  281. so we dont have to do a full rest search, just look up a specific tweet
  282.  
  283. dread [3:16 PM]
  284. sambiohazard - yes, but neither are very highly used by artists yet
  285.  
  286. dread [3:17 PM]
  287. we're designing it to be a robust process - initially the authorization goes on a service that everyone is using, twitter
  288.  
  289. dread [3:17 PM]
  290. eventually it will include decentralized social media platforms and name services
  291.  
  292. dread [3:17 PM]
  293. we're going to start integrating NetKi and Onename's namespace look up services soon
  294. :+1:1  
  295.  
  296. slackbot [3:17 PM]
  297. Soon™
  298.  
  299. dread [3:17 PM]
  300. lol
  301.  
  302. sambiohazard [3:17 PM]
  303. yeah i agree that might turn away lots of people from trying, maybe later you can add that as an option.
  304.  
  305. ekdromoi [3:17 PM]
  306. neat
  307.  
  308. dread [3:18 PM]
  309. right
  310.  
  311. fate [3:18 PM]
  312. babysteps then
  313.  
  314. dread [3:18 PM]
  315. the side effect of this is that it will hopefully help grown MusicBrainz database
  316.  
  317. dread [3:18 PM]
  318. major artists will def already be in it
  319.  
  320. dread [3:18 PM]
  321. but indies might not yet, so we'll have the publish API also submit info to musicbrainz for the sake of artists who arent in it yet
  322.  
  323. cryptokrill [3:19 PM]
  324. Any other artists you can comment on that are interested in addition to Imogene ?
  325.  
  326. dread [3:19 PM]
  327. yes, but i dont want to say who until they publish :simple_smile:
  328.  
  329. fate [3:19 PM]
  330. so how does JoBlo publish his video with his music mix to monitize like youtube?
  331.  
  332. john [3:19 PM]
  333. You say on the first page of the pdf without servers
  334.  
  335. dread [3:19 PM]
  336. lots of indie rappers and hip hop artists are interested
  337.  
  338. john [3:19 PM]
  339. When you mean centralized servers
  340.  
  341. dread [3:20 PM]
  342. a few mainstream ones
  343.  
  344. dread [3:20 PM]
  345. and a big artist from the 90s
  346.  
  347. cryptokrill [3:20 PM]
  348. Kewl
  349.  
  350. dread [3:20 PM]
  351. john, go ahead
  352.  
  353. takeshi [3:20 PM]
  354. rick astley ?
  355.  
  356. dread [3:20 PM]
  357. fate, sorry, ill get your question in a moment
  358.  
  359. sicarious [3:20 PM]
  360. LOL
  361.  
  362. fate [3:20 PM]
  363. lol
  364.  
  365. fate [3:20 PM]
  366. np
  367.  
  368. john [3:20 PM]
  369. not a question.  More of a comment
  370.  
  371. dread [3:20 PM]
  372. lol, no
  373.  
  374. dread [3:20 PM]
  375. oh, sorry, yes, good point
  376.  
  377. dread [3:21 PM]
  378. fate - you saw the preview of the publish page earlier i assume
  379.  
  380. dread [3:21 PM]
  381. the user just has to decide how theyd like to monetize
  382.  
  383. fate [3:21 PM]
  384. ahh, i did not
  385.  
  386. dread [3:21 PM]
  387. let people enjoy it for free but ask for tips?
  388.  
  389. dread [3:21 PM]
  390. or put up a paywall?
  391.  
  392. dread [3:21 PM]
  393. can someone paste a link to it?
  394.  
  395. dread [3:21 PM]
  396. under the paywall option, they get a few pricing options
  397.  
  398. dread [3:22 PM]
  399. price to play vs price to buy (download)
  400.  
  401. sicarious [3:22 PM]
  402. @dread: if i recall correctly you guys have received some outside funding for the project. assuming i'm not misrecalling, what are your plans for leveraging those funds? just wages? server costs? any big new initiatives these funds will make possible?
  403.  
  404. dread [3:22 PM]
  405. also, they can chose to let some users play it for free if they are helping to seed it
  406.  
  407. dread [3:22 PM]
  408. in that case, the user would download and install librarian and turn on IPFS
  409.  
  410. sambiohazard [3:23 PM]
  411. @dread: if i already have a torrent for my content, is there a easy way to put that in Alexandria?
  412.  
  413. takeshi [3:23 PM]
  414. @fate: https://slack-files.com/files-pri-safe/T04A5KMTX-F0CF1F3GU/the_decentralized_library_of_alexandria_08152015.pdf?c=1444854167-8da21041a6014599f12fccd5546d8039e4c3af1a
  415.  
  416. dread [3:23 PM]
  417. and then look at the content again, and itll play for free if the publisher has enabled that option
  418.  
  419. dread [3:23 PM]
  420. also, another option they'll have will be to pay "promoters" for helping
  421.  
  422. dread [3:23 PM]
  423. well, not paying them, but giving them a cut of the action
  424.  
  425. dread [3:23 PM]
  426. like amazon affiliates
  427.  
  428. dread [3:23 PM]
  429. user shares a link or embedded version of the content thru social media, on blogs, etc
  430.  
  431. dread [3:23 PM]
  432. if their shares result in a purchase or a paid play, they get a share of the payment
  433.  
  434. dread [3:24 PM]
  435. fate, does that answer your question?
  436.  
  437. fate [3:24 PM]
  438. yes, thank you
  439.  
  440. dread [3:25 PM]
  441. sicarious - we raised some friends and family money in 2014, but it ran out in the spring, so we've been keeping things going on scrapiness and dedication since then. but we are about to raise our seed round, we have a lead investor and a number of interested VC firms, so yay!
  442. :sunglasses:2 :eggplant:1  
  443.  
  444. dread [3:25 PM]
  445. the money from which will be used for wages and market making in a few areas
  446.  
  447. dread [3:26 PM]
  448. ill come back to the topic of market making shortly
  449.  
  450. fate [3:26 PM]
  451. when you finalize that project, lemme know if you would be interested in another
  452.  
  453. dread [3:26 PM]
  454. sambiohazard - no, this uses the IPFS DHT, not the bittorrent one, but we'll make the process of adding the file to the DHT very easy
  455. :+1:1  
  456.  
  457. fate [3:26 PM]
  458. I have little to no time right now to hash out my WP
  459.  
  460. fate [3:26 PM]
  461. but, back to it
  462.  
  463. dread [3:27 PM]
  464. we'll be working on this for quite a while im sure, but if theres enough overlap perhaps they could merge?
  465.  
  466. dread [3:27 PM]
  467. oh, thats a pretty important topic we should discuss at some point
  468.  
  469. sicarious [3:27 PM]
  470. @fate: i know a guy :wink:
  471.  
  472. fate [3:27 PM]
  473. anything being done to promote this to average facebook style users who just care to click a link and use this over how it works?
  474.  
  475. dread [3:28 PM]
  476. we've set aside a big chunk of equity for code bounties, which can be used for open source projects that do some important job but cant figure out how to monetize themselves
  477.  
  478. fate [3:28 PM]
  479. yeah jack, i know, i just need to get my research in a stack, outline, and dump a weeks worth of work on your lap
  480. :+1:1  
  481.  
  482. dread [3:28 PM]
  483. so that their work can turn into continuing wages
  484.  
  485. dread [3:28 PM]
  486. fate, say more please
  487.  
  488. dread [3:28 PM]
  489. oh, yes
  490.  
  491. dread [3:28 PM]
  492. there is
  493.  
  494. dread [3:29 PM]
  495. but it will require some more proliferation of ProTip
  496.  
  497. dread [3:29 PM]
  498. ProTips functionality is very important
  499.  
  500. dread [3:29 PM]
  501. it monetizes all of the non-paywall content
  502. :sunglasses:1  
  503.  
  504. frencheehui [3:29 PM]
  505. now I owe the dgb guys not just a beer but  dinner as well
  506.  
  507. dread [3:29 PM]
  508. so, lets say for example that someone creates a new meme
  509.  
  510. dread [3:29 PM]
  511. and they publish it in alexandria with a payment address but no paywall
  512.  
  513. dread [3:30 PM]
  514. and they turn on "promoters" and offer 15% of revenues to them
  515.  
  516. dread [3:30 PM]
  517. and its very funny so it gets shared around a lot
  518.  
  519. dread [3:30 PM]
  520. no payments have been made for it to be seen by people
  521.  
  522. dread [3:30 PM]
  523. but everyone who has protip running has been tracking its payment addresses
  524.  
  525. dread [3:30 PM]
  526. and in teh case of users who shared it for the meme-maker, it also grabs their promoter addresses
  527.  
  528. sambiohazard [3:31 PM]
  529. hmm maybe we can monetize opensource projects finally
  530.  
  531. dread [3:31 PM]
  532. so at the end of the week, a bunch of money is sent to everyone involved, including the creator, using protip
  533.  
  534. dread [3:31 PM]
  535. sambiohazard - thats the idea :wink:
  536.  
  537. dread [3:31 PM]
  538. without having to break them
  539.  
  540. john [3:31 PM]
  541. I imagine most of the work you are doing revolves around ipfs and serving the actual data and the payment channels for tipping etc.  isnt the index kind of an afterthought? why FLO?  can't I store indices anywhere, anyhow?
  542.  
  543. fate [3:31 PM]
  544. so how are those sharers charged then?
  545.  
  546. sambiohazard [3:31 PM]
  547. yuss!!
  548.  
  549. fate [3:31 PM]
  550. no paywall means they dont have to pay, so who does?
  551.  
  552. dread [3:31 PM]
  553. ProTip users
  554.  
  555. dread [3:31 PM]
  556. voluntary tipping
  557.  
  558. dread [3:31 PM]
  559. all at once
  560.  
  561. fate [3:32 PM]
  562. ahh, ok
  563.  
  564. dread [3:32 PM]
  565. protip.is
  566.  
  567. dread [3:32 PM]
  568. John - great question
  569.  
  570. frencheehui [3:32 PM]
  571. Is that Mr chris?
  572.  
  573. sambiohazard [3:32 PM]
  574. yes
  575.  
  576. dread [3:32 PM]
  577. we spent a lot of our time early on working on the index, and in the past few months on IPFS and the payments process, yes
  578.  
  579. dread [3:32 PM]
  580. Yes
  581.  
  582. dread [3:32 PM]
  583. you can store an index anywhere, yes
  584.  
  585. frencheehui [3:32 PM]
  586. WHAT'S UP MR CHRIS
  587.  
  588. dread [3:32 PM]
  589. we picked FLO cuz it was a great fit
  590.  
  591. dread [3:33 PM]
  592. it lets us store 528 bytes per transaction
  593.  
  594. dread [3:33 PM]
  595. and its pretty much only being used by us
  596.  
  597. dread [3:33 PM]
  598. my opinion is that the database that alexandria uses is quite important
  599.  
  600. dread [3:33 PM]
  601. and its security is quite important
  602.  
  603. dread [3:33 PM]
  604. so its miners should only be mining it
  605.  
  606. john [3:33 PM]
  607. database for the indices
  608.  
  609. dread [3:33 PM]
  610. right now, its just 2GBs
  611.  
  612. john [3:33 PM]
  613. ? or is there another db
  614.  
  615. dread [3:34 PM]
  616. huh?
  617.  
  618. jimmyk [3:34 PM]
  619. do users need the whole FLO blockchain?
  620.  
  621. dread [3:34 PM]
  622. we use FLO as the index db
  623.  
  624. dread [3:34 PM]
  625. it has links to the content, and all of its meta data
  626.  
  627. dread [3:34 PM]
  628. descriptive info, payment info, etc
  629.  
  630. john [3:34 PM]
  631. and thats the only db alexandria needs?
  632.  
  633. dread [3:34 PM]
  634. jimmyk, some of them do
  635.  
  636. dread [3:34 PM]
  637. john, yes
  638.  
  639. ekdromoi [3:34 PM]
  640. will alexandria hav a nsfw section
  641.  
  642. dread [3:34 PM]
  643. yes
  644.  
  645. john [3:34 PM]
  646. nice
  647.  
  648. ekdromoi [3:34 PM]
  649. nice
  650.  
  651. dread [3:35 PM]
  652. jimmyk, if a user wants to search/browse privately they do
  653.  
  654. sambiohazard [3:35 PM]
  655. please ban john from your nsfw :stuck_out_tongue:
  656. :+1:2  
  657.  
  658. dread [3:35 PM]
  659. cuz the search funciton would be run against a local DB
  660.  
  661. dread [3:35 PM]
  662. if they dont mind their searches being stored by a server, they can use the web gateway
  663.  
  664. dread [3:35 PM]
  665. if they want to publish, theyll need it
  666.  
  667. dread [3:35 PM]
  668. for now, we'll be forking litevault to provide a web wallet for FLO
  669.  
  670. dread [3:36 PM]
  671. until then, publishers will need the blockchain
  672.  
  673. dread [3:36 PM]
  674. this is of course especially valuable in regards to the NSFW content
  675.  
  676. joseph [3:36 PM]
  677. the local DB is populated from the info found on the blockchain, on the other hand, "light client" users can trust another full node to retrieve their data (as devon demonstrated earlier with the alexandria.media gateway vs localhost)
  678.  
  679. dread [3:36 PM]
  680. if a user wants to watch some porn, this keeps their search history local
  681.  
  682. dread [3:37 PM]
  683. actually, they'd need to
  684.  
  685. dread [3:37 PM]
  686. cuz we're probably gonna keep porn off of the public gateway results
  687.  
  688. fate [3:37 PM]
  689. so now when anyone sends btc to romano, we can also see his porn habits
  690. :pump:1 :bryce2:1  
  691.  
  692. dread [3:37 PM]
  693. so that we dont get complaints from teachers that their kids are using alexandria for porn
  694.  
  695. dread [3:37 PM]
  696. so that a user would have to have the full blockchain to get those results
  697. :+1:3  
  698.  
  699. dread [3:37 PM]
  700. we'll see
  701.  
  702. dread [3:38 PM]
  703. might be too much pushback against that, but it means that people will never expose their porn searches to a server, so they might be ok with it
  704.  
  705. dread [3:38 PM]
  706. payments for said porn are more challenging to keep private
  707.  
  708. dread [3:38 PM]
  709. but obvs possible
  710.  
  711. dread [3:38 PM]
  712. coin mixers, etc
  713.  
  714. dread [3:38 PM]
  715. i kinda think the porn industry would be big fans
  716.  
  717. sambiohazard [3:39 PM]
  718. dark wallet?
  719.  
  720. john [3:39 PM]
  721. how can I fork alexandria to use my own indexing system.  or can I just issue a pull request to your code?  this is all on github right?
  722. :bryce3:3  
  723.  
  724. dread [3:39 PM]
  725. people generally dont like porn website companies on their CC statements, so no one ever wants to pay for it
  726.  
  727. dread [3:39 PM]
  728. this would let people do so privately, and the only thing on their CC statement is the purchase of some BTC
  729.  
  730. dread [3:39 PM]
  731. john, for what purpose?
  732.  
  733. john [3:39 PM]
  734. use lets say JBS for indexing
  735. :jbs:2  
  736.  
  737. dread [3:40 PM]
  738. i understand what you are wanting to do, im asking why
  739.  
  740. dread [3:40 PM]
  741. i dont have a problem with it, but its designed to be one of those natural monopoly kind of things
  742.  
  743. dread [3:40 PM]
  744. the whole eco system is best served when it has a single DB
  745.  
  746. dread [3:40 PM]
  747. and many competitive front ends
  748.  
  749. john [3:40 PM]
  750. to further distribute all the things
  751.  
  752. dread [3:41 PM]
  753. but its a blockchain, its distributed as it is
  754.  
  755. john [3:41 PM]
  756. maybe someone wants a more secure chain
  757.  
  758. dread [3:41 PM]
  759. oh i get that
  760.  
  761. dread [3:41 PM]
  762. but i havent told you our plan for how we'll secure our chain :wink:
  763.  
  764. jonnyking [3:41 PM]
  765. oh the suspense!
  766.  
  767. dread [3:41 PM]
  768. but also, then how would index searches happen?
  769.  
  770. dread [3:41 PM]
  771. look at both blockchains? or just one?
  772.  
  773. dread [3:41 PM]
  774. hence the confusion
  775.  
  776. dread [3:41 PM]
  777. lol ok, then lets get into that
  778.  
  779. john [3:42 PM]
  780. both
  781.  
  782. dread [3:42 PM]
  783. introducing, the "collaborative bargaining mining pool"
  784.  
  785. fate [3:42 PM]
  786. i thin k he just wants all the backend monies for himself on everyone elses porn posts
  787.  
  788. john [3:42 PM]
  789. ^
  790.  
  791. dread [3:42 PM]
  792. lol
  793.  
  794. frencheehui [3:42 PM]
  795. Is there a live feed for this convo or is this just a slack discussion?
  796.  
  797. dread [3:42 PM]
  798. just slack
  799.  
  800. frencheehui [3:42 PM]
  801. K thanks
  802.  
  803. dread [3:42 PM]
  804. so, this feature would be found inside of Librarian
  805.  
  806. dread [3:42 PM]
  807. to remind you, Librarian is the daemon manager
  808.  
  809. fate [3:42 PM]
  810. jack will make a q&a post on pastebin #justdoit
  811.  
  812. dread [3:43 PM]
  813. it runs all of the headless "server-side" processes of the library
  814.  
  815. dread [3:43 PM]
  816. right now it has IPFS, Florincoind and Libraryd
  817.  
  818. sicarious [3:43 PM]
  819. I actually probably will do something like that
  820.  
  821. john [3:43 PM]
  822. fate gotta do it live b4 posts r edited (;
  823.  
  824. dread [3:43 PM]
  825. user will find another option "mining pools"
  826.  
  827. dread [3:43 PM]
  828. and also "miner rentals"
  829.  
  830. dread [3:44 PM]
  831. i dont want to go into too much detail on the miner rentals part, i aim for it to be a partnership with betarigs, but the idea is just to let some users offer up their sCrypt miner rigs at a BTC/GH/day price
  832.  
  833. dread [3:44 PM]
  834. and let other users rent said rigs
  835. from those active rentals can be extracted a current cost basis per Florincoin token
  836. ie, the pool knows how much block rewards its winning and it knows the mean price that rigs are rented at.
  837.  
  838. dread [3:45 PM]
  839. do some math, and get the BTC cost per FLO mined for that period
  840.  
  841. dread [3:45 PM]
  842. make sense so far?
  843.  
  844. sambiohazard [3:45 PM]
  845. why not merge mine with LTC for security?
  846.  
  847. dread [3:45 PM]
  848. (sam, ill get there)
  849.  
  850. sambiohazard [3:46 PM]
  851. oh
  852.  
  853. luigiplr [3:46 PM]
  854. sam?
  855.  
  856. dread [3:46 PM]
  857. (short answer is cuz it would completely kill us right now - would make it incredibly attackable)
  858.  
  859. luigiplr [3:46 PM]
  860. oh
  861.  
  862. dread [3:46 PM]
  863. cuz cost to merge mine FLO would be $0
  864.  
  865. dread [3:46 PM]
  866. for current LTC miners
  867.  
  868. dread [3:46 PM]
  869. thus, cost to attack would be $0
  870.  
  871. dread [3:46 PM]
  872. we need to get our hash rate up to something much closer to LTC, and then enable merged mining
  873.  
  874. dread [3:46 PM]
  875. so, lemme finish
  876.  
  877. frencheehui [3:47 PM]
  878. Devon is there a tutorial available for uploading music...err for non tech folks...or is it still getting tested
  879.  
  880. dread [3:47 PM]
  881. now, all owners of alexandria (ill come back to who this group is later) vote to decide what margin the Alexandria pool should earn
  882.  
  883. frencheehui [3:47 PM]
  884. Sry if that's an old Q
  885.  
  886. sambiohazard [3:47 PM]
  887. sorry for jumping the gun
  888.  
  889. dread [3:47 PM]
  890. (french, no, there isn't, but hold off a few days, will get much easier soon)
  891.  
  892. slackbot [3:47 PM]
  893. Soon™
  894.  
  895. dread [3:47 PM]
  896. (sam, no worries)
  897.  
  898. dread [3:47 PM]
  899. lets say the margin is 10%
  900.  
  901. dread [3:48 PM]
  902. all of the coins mined by the pool are now available to be traded for BTC as their cost basis + 10%
  903.  
  904. dread [3:48 PM]
  905. now, front end users need FLO from time to time
  906.  
  907. dread [3:48 PM]
  908. namely when they want to publish something, or when they want to leave a comment on something
  909.  
  910. dread [3:49 PM]
  911. publishing will cost the price tag of a single purchase of their content, and commenting will cost the current tx-fee for Florincoin, so like ~$0.00025
  912.  
  913. dread [3:49 PM]
  914. if a publisher is doing a $10 album, itll cost them $10 in FLO to publish it
  915.  
  916. dread [3:50 PM]
  917. the publishing cost is a TX-fee, so it will go straight to the miners
  918.  
  919. dread [3:50 PM]
  920. so, like i said, things are set up so that users can just hold BTC
  921.  
  922. dread [3:50 PM]
  923. if thats the case, when they publish or comment, they need some FLO
  924.  
  925. dread [3:51 PM]
  926. so a little tool that @julian started for us called TradeBot checks if there are any offers from the collaborative bargaining mining pool that match the current market price
  927.  
  928. dread [3:51 PM]
  929. if there are, the publishers trade comes from one of the miners, if there aren't, it comes either from us as market makers, or ShapeShift
  930.  
  931. frencheehui [3:51 PM]
  932. (In regards to music) Would alexandria be a competitor to other btc music distributions like aurovine.com and bittunes.com ...
  933.  
  934. frencheehui [3:52 PM]
  935. Or is it something even they can use
  936.  
  937. dread [3:52 PM]
  938. so, the result is that all miners earn the same amount of BTC for the work they put in, at a known margin above their costs, altho it make take a week or 4 for the market to reach that price
  939.  
  940. sicarious [3:52 PM]
  941. ooh, @julian designed it? sexy #jumbucks dev strutting his stuff.
  942. NEW MESSAGES
  943.  
  944. dogedoggertonog [3:52 PM]
  945. He operates in the shadows with his awesomeness
  946.  
  947. dread [3:53 PM]
  948. the net result of all this is that front end users always have access to liquidity to FLO, and FLO miners are earning better margins than any multipool is paying out
  949.  
  950. dread [3:53 PM]
  951. thus tying the demand caused by the delta of front-end users to drive the price - if our users go up, FLO should go up as well, also driving its hash rate up accordingly
  952.  
  953. dread [3:54 PM]
  954. obvs outsize market factors like a fat finger trade, speculators or P&D crews can fuck with this
  955.  
  956. dread [3:54 PM]
  957. but for that reason, we'll also be using some of our market making money to arbitrage FLO on the third party markets
  958.  
  959. dread [3:55 PM]
  960. absorbing as much instability as we can, driving the mean trade price toward the current cost basis for mining, and earning profits for our efforts
  961.  
  962. dread [3:55 PM]
  963. possibly quite a bit of profits, depending on how much hype/excitement/emotionally-driven trading it causes
  964.  
  965. dread [3:56 PM]
  966. so, i hope you could see why i would say that it will best serve the libraries purpose to keep all of its index data in a single blockchain
  967.  
  968. dread [3:56 PM]
  969. so that said blockchain can serve a single purpose
  970.  
  971. saintgermaine [3:56 PM]
  972. Stability fund?
  973.  
  974. dread [3:56 PM]
  975. and the commodity that it represents, that is, "security of the data in the decentralized library of alexandria" can have the most efficient price discovery possible
  976.  
  977. dread [3:56 PM]
  978. yeah, basically, but driven by users, not just us
  979.  
  980. jimmyk [3:57 PM]
  981. why did you pick ipfs?
  982.  
  983. dread [3:57 PM]
  984. whereas, if some of the index data was on FLO and some was on another blockchain, one whos primary purpose is something else, like payments, that would make price discovery of that commodity much harder
  985.  
  986. dread [3:57 PM]
  987. Virgil Griffith suggested i look at it
  988.  
  989. dread [3:57 PM]
  990. and when i did, i fell in love
  991.  
  992. dread [3:57 PM]
  993. showed it to the rest of the team
  994.  
  995. dread [3:57 PM]
  996. they all fell in love
  997.  
  998. dread [3:57 PM]
  999. been a love affair ever since
  1000.  
  1001. dread [3:58 PM]
  1002. its perfect for our needs
  1003.  
  1004. dread [3:58 PM]
  1005. faster to bootstrap a new file in the DHT than the bittorrent mainline DHT
  1006.  
  1007. saintgermaine [3:58 PM]
  1008. are you the dread pirate?
  1009.  
  1010. saintgermaine [3:58 PM]
  1011. going legit??
  1012.  
  1013. dread [3:58 PM]
  1014. it causes less discomfort than bittorrent when talking to artists
  1015.  
  1016. dread [3:58 PM]
  1017. dread = devon read
  1018.  
  1019. saintgermaine [3:58 PM]
  1020. sure sure
  1021.  
  1022. dread [3:59 PM]
  1023. i didnt realize it till my first job when i got an job at an ISP in '96 and they created my email address
  1024.  
  1025. dread [3:59 PM]
  1026. dread@electriciti.com
  1027.  
  1028. dread [3:59 PM]
  1029. quite a cool moment :wink:
  1030.  
  1031. jimmyk [3:59 PM]
  1032. i'm not totally clear on how ipfs works, do you happen to know what incentives there are to share bandwidth?
  1033.  
  1034. dread [3:59 PM]
  1035. none currently
  1036.  
  1037. dread [3:59 PM]
  1038. but FileCoin will run on top of it
  1039.  
  1040. dread [3:59 PM]
  1041. filecoin.io/filecoin.pdf
  1042.  
  1043. dread [3:59 PM]
  1044. which creates tokens for sharing
  1045.  
  1046. dread [3:59 PM]
  1047. basically it works like this
  1048.  
  1049. dread [4:00 PM]
  1050. user who wants something seeded submits the file while destroying some Filecoin, thus creating an anti-spam cost
  1051.  
  1052. dread [4:00 PM]
  1053. then users who seed it create and share "Piece Proofs" which are cryptographic proof that a piece was on the hdd and shared in the moment previous
  1054.  
  1055. dread [4:00 PM]
  1056. the piece proofs work just like the hashes submitted to a difficulty engine
  1057.  
  1058. sicarious [4:00 PM]
  1059. ah, there's another coin I need to be buying?
  1060.  
  1061. dread [4:00 PM]
  1062. so one of the submitters per block wins a block reward of Filecoins
  1063.  
  1064. dread [4:01 PM]
  1065. lol
  1066.  
  1067. dread [4:01 PM]
  1068. no, it doesnt exist yet
  1069.  
  1070. dread [4:01 PM]
  1071. but set up a google alert for it
  1072.  
  1073. sicarious [4:01 PM]
  1074. ah, okay.
  1075.  
  1076. dread [4:01 PM]
  1077. cuz when it does, itll prolly be pretty hot
  1078.  
  1079. sicarious [4:01 PM]
  1080. what algo?
  1081.  
  1082. dread [4:01 PM]
  1083. its a coin that represents shared hdd space
  1084.  
  1085. dread [4:01 PM]
  1086. that'll be a big deal
  1087.  
  1088. dread [4:01 PM]
  1089. btc blew up cuz it let users use their idle computer resources to earn money
  1090.  
  1091. dread [4:01 PM]
  1092. everyone's got spare HDD space :wink:
  1093.  
  1094. dread [4:02 PM]
  1095. no algo yet, the "mining" process is what i described above
  1096.  
  1097. dread [4:02 PM]
  1098. but they are waiting to launch till they connect it with a POW process
  1099.  
  1100. frencheehui [4:02 PM]
  1101. Storj not doing that already?
  1102.  
  1103. dread [4:02 PM]
  1104. so that its history is protected
  1105.  
  1106. dread [4:02 PM]
  1107. yes, storj is basically doing the same thing, but on top of bittorrent
  1108.  
  1109. dread [4:02 PM]
  1110. and more of a Dropbox competitor
  1111.  
  1112. dread [4:02 PM]
  1113. this is more like getting an AWS account
  1114.  
  1115. dread [4:03 PM]
  1116. pay money, get guaranteed storage and bandwidth from "the cloud"
  1117.  
  1118. frencheehui [4:03 PM]
  1119. Ah I see
  1120.  
  1121. dread [4:03 PM]
  1122. whereas storj is more designed to let users store their private data on ohters computers
  1123.  
  1124. dread [4:03 PM]
  1125. same underlying functionality, just diff use case
  1126.  
  1127. dread [4:04 PM]
  1128. https://jumbucks.slack.com/archives/general/p1444855902006302
  1129. Che Frowgbatfrencheehui
  1130. (In regards to music) Would alexandria be a competitor to other btc music distributions like aurovine.com and bittunes.com ...
  1131. Today at 3:51 PM
  1132.  
  1133. dread [4:05 PM]
  1134. our goal is to let them use it
  1135.  
  1136. frencheehui [4:05 PM]
  1137. Or can these projects make use of each other's work ...synergistically (edited)
  1138.  
  1139. sicarious [4:05 PM]
  1140. @dread: where do you see #alexandria in 5 years, regarding market penetration? If you're talking to VC people, do you have projected metrics?
  1141.  
  1142. dread [4:06 PM]
  1143. some of the blockchain-music projects being worked on are just focused on a front end that provides payments via crypto
  1144.  
  1145. dread [4:06 PM]
  1146. those can easily use our library
  1147.  
  1148. frencheehui [4:06 PM]
  1149. Yea that's what I was thinking
  1150.  
  1151. dread [4:06 PM]
  1152. because most of them all use centralized libraries
  1153.  
  1154. dread [4:06 PM]
  1155. ie, server hosted
  1156.  
  1157. dread [4:07 PM]
  1158. one of them, ujo, is also trying to decentrlalize the library
  1159.  
  1160. dread [4:07 PM]
  1161. but they're using ethereum to do so, which i dont agree with
  1162.  
  1163. dread [4:07 PM]
  1164. we're going to use ethereum for smart contract execution, namely split payments
  1165.  
  1166. dread [4:07 PM]
  1167. we can do split payments when the end user is using our browser application
  1168.  
  1169. dread [4:07 PM]
  1170. but over the web, we'll rely on ethereum for that
  1171.  
  1172. dread [4:08 PM]
  1173. but using ethereum for the index doesnt make sense to me
  1174.  
  1175. sambiohazard [4:08 PM]
  1176. @dread: if the content is hashed into blockchain then if a change is made then we have to resubmit the content. Will we loose all related data like viewing stats, comments etc?
  1177.  
  1178. dread [4:08 PM]
  1179. for the same reason i said earlier, makes price discovery very hard for the specific commodity that is secuirty of the index
  1180.  
  1181. dread [4:09 PM]
  1182. comments are in the blockchain, so no - viewing stats are kinda hard
  1183.  
  1184. dread [4:09 PM]
  1185. we can estimate them based on the views that go thru web gateways
  1186.  
  1187. dread [4:09 PM]
  1188. and the publisher will know how many payments theyve gotten
  1189.  
  1190. dread [4:09 PM]
  1191. but keeping a specific and accurate play count will likely be quite a bitch
  1192.  
  1193. dread [4:09 PM]
  1194. but we're gonna use a reputation system
  1195.  
  1196. dread [4:10 PM]
  1197. which should help, cuz itll be a trackable history of opinion of the piece of content
  1198.  
  1199. dread [4:10 PM]
  1200. which will be a metric that can work similarly to view count
  1201.  
  1202. sambiohazard [4:10 PM]
  1203. so if i edit a file & resubmit it will replace previous file?
  1204.  
  1205. dread [4:10 PM]
  1206. ah, you mean updating the content itself not just the data about the content?
  1207.  
  1208. sambiohazard [4:10 PM]
  1209. yes
  1210.  
  1211. jimmyk [4:10 PM]
  1212. can you elaborate on the reputation system?
  1213.  
  1214. dread [4:11 PM]
  1215. as the publisher of the original piece, you can deactivate it and replace the new one
  1216.  
  1217. dread [4:11 PM]
  1218. whether the comments should stay attached or not im not sure, i dont think they should be
  1219.  
  1220. dread [4:11 PM]
  1221. if you change the content of a youtube video you lose the comment history
  1222.  
  1223. dread [4:11 PM]
  1224. if you update its data, like what the description says, you dont lose it
  1225.  
  1226. dread [4:12 PM]
  1227. jimmyk, no i cant, cuz we dont know which one we're going to implement
  1228.  
  1229. sambiohazard [4:12 PM]
  1230. or is there anyway to redirect to new updated content?
  1231.  
  1232. dread [4:12 PM]
  1233. there are a lot of good projects on that front right now
  1234.  
  1235. dread [4:12 PM]
  1236. redirect what? like, from the old one to the new one?
  1237.  
  1238. sambiohazard [4:12 PM]
  1239. yes
  1240.  
  1241. dread [4:12 PM]
  1242. yes, you can update the artifact listing itself, to update the description field or something to add a link
  1243.  
  1244. dread [4:13 PM]
  1245. on the back-end, its a new publish message in the blockchain, but since its from the same publisher and with the same content, it would look like an update
  1246.  
  1247. sambiohazard [4:14 PM]
  1248. hmm okay, thanks for all your answers, looking forward to easy publishing :simple_smile:
  1249.  
  1250. dread [4:14 PM]
  1251. sicarious - ideally i'd like to watch a newly released star wars movie from my couch over Alexandria in about 5 years :simple_smile:
  1252.  
  1253. yes, we have, but im not ready to share them quite yet
  1254. yes, we have, but im not ready to share them quite yet
  1255.  
  1256. sicarious [4:14 PM]
  1257. I could get on board with that :wink:
  1258.  
  1259. dread [4:14 PM]
  1260. oh, also, we're gonna give 15% of alexandria's equity to publishers
  1261.  
  1262. dread [4:14 PM]
  1263. everyone who publishes in the first 18 months will split it up
  1264. :+1:4
  1265. You, sambiohazard, sterky and takeshi reacted with :+1:
  1266.  
  1267.  
  1268. john [4:15 PM]
  1269. best news of today
  1270.  
  1271. dread [4:15 PM]
  1272. one of our main goals is to demonstrate that piracy is only a problem because possible conversions are being lost
  1273.  
  1274. john [4:15 PM]
  1275. 15% of 250k min funding?
  1276.  
  1277. saintgermaine [4:15 PM]
  1278. so as the time fly's...can we move into timelines,,,like what is next? what steps need to happen
  1279.  
  1280. dread [4:15 PM]
  1281. much more than that, ill say what it is once everything is signed :wink:
  1282.  
  1283. ekdromoi [4:16 PM]
  1284. wut equity
  1285.  
  1286. saintgermaine [4:16 PM]
  1287. so you got over your estimated goal need of 250K?
  1288.  
  1289. sicarious [4:16 PM]
  1290. damn, i need to go learn a hostable skill.
  1291.  
  1292. dread [4:16 PM]
  1293. a large number of piraters say that they would not pirate if the content they were looking for if it was available as easily as it is on PopcornTime
  1294.  
  1295. dread [4:16 PM]
  1296. and theyd even pay for it
  1297.  
  1298. dread [4:16 PM]
  1299. pirates pay more money for online content than non pirates as it is currently
  1300.  
  1301. john [4:17 PM]
  1302. pirates sound like good people
  1303.  
  1304. sambiohazard [4:17 PM]
  1305. we are lol
  1306.  
  1307. saintgermaine [4:17 PM]
  1308. animal porn is huge..so i heard @sicarious
  1309.  
  1310. bitcoinpaul [4:17 PM]
  1311. dread honest to god i have priated so much shit in my day, last 4 years almost nothing thanks to netflix, hulu, and amazon prime, along with google play/ spotify
  1312.  
  1313. dread [4:17 PM]
  1314. so if we can let people watch a new release movie at home the same day as it comes out in theaters but not have to compete with teenagers to get into the theater, ill bet theyd be willing to pay $20 for the watch
  1315.  
  1316. bitcoinpaul [4:17 PM]
  1317. all my needs are covered just dont let them crack the xbone or ps4
  1318.  
  1319. sicarious [4:17 PM]
  1320. except my screen isn't as big.
  1321.  
  1322. ekdromoi [4:17 PM]
  1323. i like theaters
  1324.  
  1325. dread [4:17 PM]
  1326. the 250k thing was kind of a joke
  1327.  
  1328. dread [4:18 PM]
  1329. well, it wasnt a joke
  1330.  
  1331. dread [4:18 PM]
  1332. but we didnt actually think that we'd get that much from donations
  1333.  
  1334. sicarious [4:18 PM]
  1335. i also like theaters, but lots of people in my friendgroup don't.
  1336.  
  1337. dread [4:18 PM]
  1338. it was just to show our expected budget to get there in an expedient way
  1339.  
  1340. dread [4:18 PM]
  1341. but no, we have not raised it yet
  1342.  
  1343. dread [4:18 PM]
  1344. we are raising our Seed round right now
  1345.  
  1346. dread [4:18 PM]
  1347. $1m raise
  1348.  
  1349. sicarious [4:18 PM]
  1350. pool money, all chip in 2 bucks and watch starwars in the comfort of my crib, seems reasonable.
  1351.  
  1352. dread [4:19 PM]
  1353. sicarious, that would be the main issue the distributors would argue
  1354.  
  1355. dread [4:19 PM]
  1356. which ​*could*​ mean that they'd only be willing to do it for users who are willing to let a camera watch their living room to count watchers
  1357.  
  1358. ekdromoi [4:19 PM]
  1359. wuts a microdollar
  1360.  
  1361. sicarious [4:19 PM]
  1362. lolololol
  1363.  
  1364. dread [4:19 PM]
  1365. im not a fan of Xbox doing so
  1366.  
  1367. dread [4:19 PM]
  1368. but if someone can make a USB camera do so with open source software
  1369.  
  1370. sicarious [4:20 PM]
  1371. my laptop webcam has tape over it.
  1372.  
  1373. dread [4:20 PM]
  1374. in which all data is stored locally and only the number of people watching gets sent, i could get behind that
  1375.  
  1376. dread [4:20 PM]
  1377. and it might be necessary for new releases, but we'll see
  1378.  
  1379. sicarious [4:20 PM]
  1380. that doesn't sound like a solution
  1381.  
  1382. dread [4:20 PM]
  1383. mine does too :wink:
  1384.  
  1385. ekdromoi [4:20 PM]
  1386. ^
  1387.  
  1388. dread [4:20 PM]
  1389. it just comes back to the piracy issue
  1390.  
  1391. dread [4:20 PM]
  1392. they beleive that pirates are just thieves
  1393.  
  1394. sicarious [4:20 PM]
  1395. i'd just put a video of myself on the couch in front of the USB camera
  1396.  
  1397. ekdromoi [4:21 PM]
  1398. u wouldnt download a car.jpg
  1399. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:1  
  1400.  
  1401. dread [4:21 PM]
  1402. i beleive that pirates are just people who have an expectation that they can get somthing from the internet once its been created
  1403.  
  1404. sicarious [4:21 PM]
  1405. with 100 friends on the couch behind it, lol
  1406.  
  1407. saintgermaine [4:21 PM]
  1408. you ever chat with KimDotcom?? @dread
  1409.  
  1410. dread [4:21 PM]
  1411. sic - lol, id be down for that
  1412.  
  1413. saintgermaine [4:21 PM]
  1414. seems he would be down with the project
  1415.  
  1416. dread [4:21 PM]
  1417. saintgermaine, no, if anyone can introduce us, i'd enjoy doing os
  1418.  
  1419. dread [4:21 PM]
  1420. im sure he would
  1421.  
  1422. sicarious [4:21 PM]
  1423. anyway, j/s'ing that studios wanting to videotape viewers on new releases would never fly, and holy shit the bad press it would create.
  1424.  
  1425. sicarious [4:22 PM]
  1426. so you'll need an actual solution if you want to get new releases on board.
  1427.  
  1428. dread [4:22 PM]
  1429. thats what i said, the data wouldnt go to them
  1430.  
  1431. dread [4:22 PM]
  1432. id only support it under those conditions
  1433.  
  1434. saintgermaine [4:22 PM]
  1435. @dread: do you see yourself as having any competitors ?
  1436.  
  1437. fate [4:22 PM]
  1438. decentralize the card catalog in the library, and we be happy
  1439.  
  1440. dread [4:22 PM]
  1441. that the processing happens on the local machine and the count of people gets sent from it
  1442.  
  1443. dread [4:22 PM]
  1444. saintgermaine - ujo is the closest thing to a competitor right now, but we havent spoken yet, and i get the feeling that once we do we can merge project, but no promises yet
  1445.  
  1446. dread [4:23 PM]
  1447. fate - the card catalog already is
  1448.  
  1449. saintgermaine [4:23 PM]
  1450. do you fear government regulation? @dread
  1451.  
  1452. dread [4:23 PM]
  1453. http://libraryd.alexandria.media/alexandria/v1/media/get/all
  1454.  
  1455. dread [4:23 PM]
  1456. ^
  1457.  
  1458. dread [4:23 PM]
  1459. what kind?
  1460.  
  1461. fate [4:23 PM]
  1462. ahh, well true, meaning the control of it too
  1463.  
  1464. dread [4:24 PM]
  1465. there is no control
  1466.  
  1467. dread [4:24 PM]
  1468. anyone can add to that via a wallet
  1469.  
  1470. dread [4:24 PM]
  1471. well, we control our blacklist
  1472.  
  1473. dread [4:24 PM]
  1474. but we'll decentralize that as soon as we can
  1475.  
  1476. slackbot [4:24 PM]
  1477. Soon™
  1478.  
  1479. dread [4:24 PM]
  1480. oh, right, so, the "owners"
  1481.  
  1482. dread [4:24 PM]
  1483. thats an important subject
  1484.  
  1485. saintgermaine [4:25 PM]
  1486. so just to be clear you dont fear government regulation or intervention of the project?? of any type?
  1487.  
  1488. saintgermaine [4:25 PM]
  1489. what about the tax man? how you gonna work that red tape?
  1490.  
  1491. dread [4:26 PM]
  1492. so, the owners of alexandria will ultimately be:
  1493. ~%50 - the blocktech team that built it
  1494. ~%10 - seed round
  1495. 10% - crowd funding round (spring '16)
  1496. 15% - publishers
  1497. ~15% - code bounties
  1498.  
  1499. sicarious [4:26 PM]
  1500. @saintgermaine: with a machete :wink:
  1501.  
  1502. dread [4:26 PM]
  1503. those owners will make all decisions in a blockchain voting p2p chat room
  1504.  
  1505. dread [4:26 PM]
  1506. all owners will be in a single room
  1507.  
  1508. saintgermaine [4:27 PM]
  1509. oohh  a secret room, like CEO in ARCH??
  1510.  
  1511. dread [4:27 PM]
  1512. owners above a certain amount (either because they own that amount or they were proxied someone elses) get their own room
  1513.  
  1514. dread [4:27 PM]
  1515. which all owners can see, but only the "council of librarians" can participate in
  1516. :+1:1  
  1517.  
  1518. saintgermaine [4:27 PM]
  1519. ^^^  ooohhh
  1520.  
  1521. sicarious [4:27 PM]
  1522. not like ARCH, lol.
  1523.  
  1524. john [4:27 PM]
  1525. starting to sound like the fed reserve of digital marketplaces
  1526.  
  1527. dread [4:27 PM]
  1528. council of librarians room make most decisions
  1529.  
  1530. dread [4:27 PM]
  1531. like, what is the target margin for miners in the collaborative bargaining pool
  1532.  
  1533. dread [4:28 PM]
  1534. or whether something should be added to the blacklist
  1535.  
  1536. dread [4:28 PM]
  1537. and if there is concensus, it happens
  1538.  
  1539. dread [4:28 PM]
  1540. if there is 50/50 devide, or if a user in the larger room challenges a decision and gets "seconds" from enough other users
  1541.  
  1542. dread [4:28 PM]
  1543. a full vote is held
  1544.  
  1545. dread [4:29 PM]
  1546. any, anyone interested in how we'll handle voting should watch these two
  1547.  
  1548. dread [4:29 PM]
  1549. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
  1550. YouTube
  1551. CGP Grey
  1552. The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained
  1553.  
  1554.  
  1555. dread [4:29 PM]
  1556. ^ whats wrong with the voting systems we use currently
  1557.  
  1558. bitcoinpaul [4:29 PM]
  1559. OMFG COUNCIL OF LIBRArians sounds bad ass in a star wars kind of way
  1560.  
  1561. dread [4:29 PM]
  1562. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI
  1563. YouTube
  1564. CGP Grey
  1565. Politics in the Animal Kingdom: Single Transferable Vote
  1566.  
  1567.  
  1568. dread [4:29 PM]
  1569. the much better way ^
  1570.  
  1571. dread [4:30 PM]
  1572. bitcoinpaul - just wait till we integrate Occulus rift and we have meetings in the Jedi Council room :wink:
  1573.  
  1574. bitcoinpaul - just wait till we integrate Occulus rift and we have meetings in the Jedi Council room :wink:
  1575.  
  1576. bitcoinpaul [4:30 PM]
  1577. yes
  1578.  
  1579. bitcoinpaul [4:30 PM]
  1580. i am down
  1581.  
  1582. dread [4:30 PM]
  1583. (thats another big advantage of an open decentralized index - you can draw the content however you'd like, including as a MetaVerse)
  1584.  
  1585. dread [4:30 PM]
  1586. (for any Snow Crash fans in the room)
  1587.  
  1588. dread [4:31 PM]
  1589. john - yes, fed reserve in that part of its job is making price discovery easy, making market efficient - but does it all with transparency and group participation :wink:
  1590.  
  1591. saintgermaine [4:31 PM]
  1592. one last try ..not to push it or perhaps you already answered,,,are you worried about government intervention regulation, taxes etc..any concerns going forward ??:relieved:
  1593.  
  1594. dread [4:32 PM]
  1595. oh, and of course, owners then also get a cut of profits if they register themselves with the SEC
  1596.  
  1597. dread [4:32 PM]
  1598. if they dont, they can stay anonymous and vote with their ownership
  1599.  
  1600. dread [4:32 PM]
  1601. or sell it
  1602.  
  1603. dread [4:32 PM]
  1604. oh, their ownership is of course represented by a token
  1605.  
  1606. dread [4:32 PM]
  1607. ANOTHER BLOCKCHIAN!!!
  1608. :bryce3:1  
  1609.  
  1610. bitcoinpaul [4:32 PM]
  1611. woot
  1612.  
  1613. dread [4:33 PM]
  1614. id tell you its name, but someone will definitely want to steal it before we create the chain :wink:
  1615. :bryce2:2  
  1616.  
  1617. dread [4:33 PM]
  1618. cuz its really fucking good, lol
  1619.  
  1620. dread [4:33 PM]
  1621. anyway, it has zero function within alexandria, except for blockchain voting
  1622.  
  1623. outragedhuman [4:33 PM]
  1624. you used the jumbucks coin name generator didn't you
  1625. :jbs:1  
  1626.  
  1627. dread [4:33 PM]
  1628. lol, uhm, yes, of course we did
  1629.  
  1630. outragedhuman [4:33 PM]
  1631. figured
  1632.  
  1633. dread [4:34 PM]
  1634. oh, taxes and gov regulations
  1635.  
  1636. outragedhuman [4:34 PM]
  1637. So if the librarians have to monitor the content and vote on it, wouldn't viewing of (in order to vote) the child porn make them criminals?
  1638.  
  1639. dread [4:34 PM]
  1640. gonna be a headache, but we'll do our best to make it as easy as possible for users
  1641.  
  1642. dread [4:34 PM]
  1643. should mainly be income taxes for the miners
  1644.  
  1645. sicarious [4:35 PM]
  1646. "wouldn't viewing CP make them vomit and hate life?" FTFY.
  1647.  
  1648. dread [4:35 PM]
  1649. and sales/use taxes for artists
  1650.  
  1651. outragedhuman [4:35 PM]
  1652. yea that too @sicarious
  1653.  
  1654. dread [4:35 PM]
  1655. its not gonna work for a while, so we'll probably get some shit from some gov agency or another
  1656. :+1:1  
  1657.  
  1658. dread [4:35 PM]
  1659. its not a high priority
  1660.  
  1661. dread [4:35 PM]
  1662. but it wont be hard, the ledger is all right there
  1663.  
  1664. dread [4:35 PM]
  1665. oh, and we have a daemon that will be very helpful
  1666.  
  1667. dread [4:35 PM]
  1668. publishes market data to the library
  1669.  
  1670. dread [4:36 PM]
  1671. so that the historical USD price of a token can be looked up
  1672.  
  1673. dread [4:36 PM]
  1674. so that its finding a timestamped record, instead of relying on a server's history
  1675. :+1:1  
  1676.  
  1677. dread [4:37 PM]
  1678. the IRS has said that for calculating income from price changes one can use FIFO (first in first out)
  1679.  
  1680. dread [4:37 PM]
  1681. so accounting wise, its really not hard to figure out taxes owed
  1682.  
  1683. john [4:37 PM]
  1684. what military applications does all this have?
  1685.  
  1686. slackbot [4:37 PM]
  1687. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  1688.  
  1689. dread [4:37 PM]
  1690. and i know there are some projects to create accounting layers on top of users wallets
  1691.  
  1692. dread [4:37 PM]
  1693. john - well, id hope zero
  1694.  
  1695. dread [4:37 PM]
  1696. im a vet who doesnt have a very high opinion of the military these days
  1697.  
  1698. dread [4:37 PM]
  1699. but im sure theyll find a way to coopt it for evil
  1700.  
  1701. dread [4:38 PM]
  1702. they're good at that :wink:
  1703.  
  1704. saintgermaine [4:38 PM]
  1705. so for the record who did 9/11,?
  1706.  
  1707. dread [4:38 PM]
  1708. i have no clue
  1709.  
  1710. outragedhuman [4:38 PM]
  1711. Building 7 did, fucker got out of line
  1712.  
  1713. dread [4:38 PM]
  1714. but of course i dont beleive the official story
  1715.  
  1716. dread [4:38 PM]
  1717. "history is written by the victors" was one of our driving motivations
  1718.  
  1719. outragedhuman [4:38 PM]
  1720. Gunna repost my question since you circled back to @saintgermaine's question
  1721.  
  1722. outragedhuman [4:38 PM]
  1723. So if the librarians have to monitor the content and vote on it, wouldn't viewing of (in order to vote) the child porn make them criminals?
  1724.  
  1725. dread [4:38 PM]
  1726. shit, we havent even gotten into the historian aspects of Alexandria, lol
  1727.  
  1728. dread [4:39 PM]
  1729. for child porn we're gonna get a net-nanny subscription
  1730.  
  1731. sicarious [4:39 PM]
  1732. @dread:  you're storing the data on the blockchain, correct? is there a limitation to the maximum amount of data which can be stored? Thus, Alexandria would have a cap to the number of videos, etc. it can host?
  1733.  
  1734. sicarious [4:39 PM]
  1735. That might be a dumb question.
  1736.  
  1737. dread [4:39 PM]
  1738. and we'll vote on whether to accept their recomendations
  1739.  
  1740. dread [4:39 PM]
  1741. for stuff like that
  1742.  
  1743. dread [4:39 PM]
  1744. sic - no
  1745.  
  1746. sicarious [4:39 PM]
  1747. ewww, so someone actually has that job?
  1748.  
  1749. outragedhuman [4:39 PM]
  1750. Gotcha, so you won't actually have to view the images
  1751.  
  1752. dread [4:39 PM]
  1753. we're not storing the video data
  1754.  
  1755. dread [4:39 PM]
  1756. just the meta data about the content
  1757.  
  1758. dread [4:40 PM]
  1759. the data for the content itself is in the IPFS network
  1760.  
  1761. jyapdark [4:40 PM]
  1762. okay so just surmise; @dread what you’re saying is Market buy flo right now.
  1763.  
  1764. dread [4:40 PM]
  1765. yup, thats what net nanny's model is
  1766.  
  1767. jyapdark [4:40 PM]
  1768. cool.
  1769.  
  1770. dread [4:40 PM]
  1771. they watch child porn so you dont have to
  1772.  
  1773. sicarious [4:40 PM]
  1774. Ah, okay.
  1775.  
  1776. jyapdark [4:40 PM]
  1777. Thank you for clarifying.
  1778.  
  1779. outragedhuman [4:40 PM]
  1780. now that's a fuckin' tagline
  1781.  
  1782. sicarious [4:40 PM]
  1783. they should put that out in ads. "we watch CP so you don't have to"
  1784.  
  1785. dread [4:41 PM]
  1786. lol, you guys do whatever you want about Flo - i have a long term price target in the dollars...
  1787. :bitcoin:2  
  1788.  
  1789. outragedhuman [4:41 PM]
  1790. NetNanny: "We watch child porn, so you don't have to" ​_public service announcement music plays_​
  1791.  
  1792. dread [4:41 PM]
  1793. but i can make you no promises of how soon it will get there
  1794.  
  1795. slackbot [4:41 PM]
  1796. Soon™
  1797.  
  1798. jyapdark [4:41 PM]
  1799. kekekekek
  1800.  
  1801. dread [4:41 PM]
  1802. our goal is to get it up to LTC's hashing rate within a year - may happen much faster, but we'll see once we start implementing the pool and stuff
  1803.  
  1804. sicarious [4:41 PM]
  1805. poor @bitcoinpaul
  1806.  
  1807. jyapdark [4:41 PM]
  1808. https://twitter.com/litecamel/status/654411813711249408
  1809. ActualAdviceLTCamel@litecamel
  1810. "lol, you guys do whatever you want about $FLO - i have a long term price target in the dollars..."-@BlocktechCEO
  1811.  
  1812. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) flomo.
  1813. Today at 4:41 PM
  1814.  
  1815. saintgermaine [4:41 PM]
  1816. so can you give a general plan of whats next or something like that
  1817.  
  1818. dread [4:42 PM]
  1819. oh good, thanks for tweeting that
  1820.  
  1821. dread [4:42 PM]
  1822. lol
  1823.  
  1824. jyapdark [4:42 PM]
  1825. hahaha
  1826.  
  1827. jyapdark [4:42 PM]
  1828. :heart:
  1829.  
  1830. outragedhuman [4:42 PM]
  1831. of course he left out the disclaimer
  1832.  
  1833. jyapdark [4:42 PM]
  1834. it didnt fit
  1835.  
  1836. dread [4:42 PM]
  1837. ofc
  1838.  
  1839. sicarious [4:42 PM]
  1840. I'll be posting a pastebin of this conversation afterwards, for anybody who missed it :simple_smile:
  1841.  
  1842. outragedhuman [4:42 PM]
  1843. strategic ellipsis
  1844.  
  1845. dread [4:42 PM]
  1846. i said "long term"
  1847.  
  1848. jyapdark [4:42 PM]
  1849. not with my ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  1850.  
  1851. dread [4:43 PM]
  1852. sure, up next
  1853.  
  1854. dread [4:43 PM]
  1855. we're working with Bitnation right now to integrate their emergency ID system into Alexandria's rails
  1856.  
  1857. john [4:43 PM]
  1858. sicarious remember I was yelling the other day about how flo is like where to find the book on a torrent.  the book isnt on flo.  facts is facts
  1859.  
  1860. dread [4:43 PM]
  1861. we're going to be integrating decentralized namespace lookups thru NetKi and OneName over the next few weeks
  1862.  
  1863. dread [4:44 PM]
  1864. and Glidera's white label BTC buying service
  1865.  
  1866. bitcoinpaul [4:44 PM]
  1867. because i have sold 450k flo? :disappointed:
  1868.  
  1869. jyapdark [4:44 PM]
  1870. i am sorry for your FLOss (edited)
  1871.  
  1872. dread [4:44 PM]
  1873. at this moment we're focused on a release for later this week or next week
  1874. :new_moon_with_face:2 :bryce2:1 :bryce3:1  
  1875.  
  1876. sicarious [4:44 PM]
  1877. no, because you still mine it. @dread wants to match LTC's hashrate in a year
  1878.  
  1879. dread [4:44 PM]
  1880. which will let users buy/play content over the web
  1881.  
  1882. dread [4:44 PM]
  1883. and will include Librarian for the first time so that users can get their daemons running easily
  1884. :book:1  
  1885.  
  1886. sicarious [4:45 PM]
  1887. nice!
  1888. :jack:2  
  1889.  
  1890. dread [4:45 PM]
  1891. and Alexandria will include the much upgraded publishing process i spoke of - we think it'll make publishing as easy as YouTube
  1892. :movie_camera:1  
  1893.  
  1894. dread [4:45 PM]
  1895. and the authorization checking API should be working in that release
  1896.  
  1897. jyapdark [4:45 PM]
  1898. can Moby not Mobile be put on Alexandria?
  1899. :edgar:2 :edgarmoby:2  
  1900.  
  1901. dread [4:45 PM]
  1902. so music and movies types will not be pirateable at that point
  1903.  
  1904. dread [4:46 PM]
  1905. right now, you could publish Top Gun and our only recourse would be to add it to the blacklist
  1906.  
  1907. sicarious [4:46 PM]
  1908. camel, please upload it.
  1909.  
  1910. dread [4:46 PM]
  1911. and i dont want ot do that for piracy, so please don't :wink:
  1912.  
  1913. dread [4:46 PM]
  1914. Moby not Mobile?
  1915. :edgar:3  
  1916.  
  1917. sicarious [4:46 PM]
  1918. I'll be looking forward to the releases :simple_smile:
  1919.  
  1920. sicarious [4:46 PM]
  1921. I just started looking at the project again last week, and my interest is piqued.
  1922.  
  1923. dread [4:47 PM]
  1924. everyone interested in getting notified about the next release can sign up here: http://eepurl.com/bpe1hD
  1925. Alexandria Mailing List Email Forms
  1926. :+1:2  
  1927.  
  1928. jyapdark [4:47 PM]
  1929. it’s the most popular crypto video @dread
  1930.  
  1931. jyapdark [4:47 PM]
  1932. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Kx242GeCg
  1933.  
  1934. dread [4:47 PM]
  1935. while we've been in this unfunded stage, dev has moved along pretty slowly, so i can totally understand why some people have lost track of the project
  1936.  
  1937. dread [4:48 PM]
  1938. but we're still chuging along, and things have really picked up lately
  1939.  
  1940. jimmyk [4:48 PM]
  1941. how do you make sure the metadata added with top gun is accurate?
  1942.  
  1943. dread [4:48 PM]
  1944. we have 7 devs working on it at the moment at varying levels of commitment
  1945.  
  1946. jimmyk [4:48 PM]
  1947. why can't i say i'm the rights holder?
  1948. :bryce2:2  
  1949.  
  1950. jyapdark [4:48 PM]
  1951. coz we all know you @jimmyk
  1952.  
  1953. dread [4:48 PM]
  1954. and another 3 planning to start getting more actively invovled once seed round comes in
  1955.  
  1956. ekdromoi [4:48 PM]
  1957. wat OS do uuse
  1958.  
  1959. dread [4:48 PM]
  1960. jimmyk - thats the point of the auth checking script
  1961.  
  1962. sicarious [4:48 PM]
  1963. @dread: going to do some shilling of my own here, but if you ever need a freelance writer/editor.... i know a guy :simple_smile:
  1964.  
  1965. jyapdark [4:49 PM]
  1966. @ekdromoi:  they use mac os x
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