14:53:04] <Shaboozey> so. i would like to know when i get unbanned.
[14:53:13] <Shaboozey> i am aware that you can not keep me banned forever.
[14:59:43] <gry> hi
[15:00:01] <Shaboozey> hi.
[15:00:05] <Shaboozey> [14:53:04] <Shaboozey> so. i would like to know when i get unbanned.
[15:00:05] <Shaboozey> [14:53:13] <Shaboozey> i am aware that you can not keep me banned forever.
[15:00:18] <gry> I think it would make sense if we would unban as soon as you agree to avoid trolling and annoying behavior in there
[15:00:42] <Shaboozey> trolling no? annoying? fine.
[15:00:55] <Shaboozey> +
[15:00:57] <gry> what?
[15:00:58] <Shaboozey> even if i dont agree.
[15:01:05] <Shaboozey> i remember kottizen saying similar line :
[15:01:09] <Shaboozey> we do not keep perma bans.
[15:01:43] <gry> thanks, I'll pass this on and get back to you once we decide on something
[15:01:57] <Shaboozey> do you find it acceptable if i am annoying towards the person who is trying to annoy me?
[15:02:05] <gry> no
[15:02:14] <Shaboozey> then
[15:02:18] <Shaboozey> if i accept what ur saying here.
[15:02:28] <Shaboozey> i will Still walk on the edge of rules. like always
[15:02:29] <Shaboozey> Plus
[15:02:35] <Shaboozey> i will technically be 'more annoying'
[15:02:40] <gry> it's like 'he's stealing a donut, let me steal a cookie somewhere around too' -- it doesn't really help to build a productive environment
[15:02:43] <Shaboozey> because i will report all kiinds of shit.
[15:02:52] <Shaboozey> because you cant make a rule Just for me.
[15:02:58] <Shaboozey> Everyone stops trolling and beeing annoying.
[15:02:59] <Shaboozey> not just me.
[15:03:15] <gry> I would ask that you try to not play with the rules, or walk on the edge, of course
[15:03:23] <Shaboozey> and i can disregard it.
[15:03:26] <Shaboozey> and will.
[15:03:27] <gry> saying that you would doesn't help with ban removal
[15:03:30] <Shaboozey> because i try to not break them
[15:03:50] <Shaboozey> remember i asked keep PM's away from rest of irc?
[15:04:03] <gry> yup
[15:04:10] <Shaboozey> then i can say whatever i want in pm.
[15:04:14] <Shaboozey> as long as it does not break any rules.
[15:04:36] <Shaboozey> and it should not change any decisions for anyone.
[15:04:50] <gry> it's ok if you rant here, or yell or w/e, it's just that you not only didn't agree to stop trolling/annoying, you even said that you would walk on the edge of rules
[15:05:14] <gry> so I'll stop here and get back to see what others think
[15:05:15] <Shaboozey> you never really noticed that i walked on edge of rules yet right?
[15:05:22] <Shaboozey> i have been doing that since day1
[15:05:37] <Shaboozey> there are just exceptions for 'walking on edge of rules'
[15:05:48] <Shaboozey> i dont spam any kinds of porno/illegal stuff here.
[15:05:50] <Shaboozey> or similar.
[15:08:16] <Shaboozey> And
[15:08:21] <Shaboozey> i just did read rules again.
[15:08:29] <Shaboozey> i havent broken a single rule.
[15:08:58] <Shaboozey> only thing you can Actually argue about is
[15:08:59] <Shaboozey> §3
[15:09:02] <Shaboozey> and even that.
[15:09:18] <Shaboozey> noone told that they dont like whatever i am saying at the point.
[15:09:29] <gry> ok, it appears that we're inclined to keep that ban for the time being. It's the last item of the rules, we reserve the right to set decisions at our own discretion, depending on whatever the context is.
[15:09:55] <Shaboozey> so now. when you figured out you cant do anything
[15:10:01] <Shaboozey> you decide to be a little asshole?
[15:10:07] <gry> is there something else I could possibly help you with?
[15:10:16] <Shaboozey> start beeing normal? possibly?
[15:10:29] <Shaboozey> the last item of rules is not actually valid reason.
[15:10:33] <Shaboozey> i know you can keep it for that reason
[15:10:38] <Shaboozey> but you either give me proper reason
[15:10:41] <Shaboozey> or you go fuck yourself.
[15:10:42] <Shaboozey> simple.
[15:12:07] <Shaboozey> before you start voting for another kline because i just said that ^^  . i remind you whatever i say in pms is mean in private. .reason i didint take this to #help.
[15:12:19] <Shaboozey> meant to be in*
[15:13:47] <gry> it would have to be a little more than just a channel ban before we would set a kline, although repeated requests for unban may get over a line once it was denied here
[15:14:11] <Shaboozey> again.
[15:14:19] <Shaboozey> warn me before you kline.
[15:14:22] <Shaboozey> so i know when to stop.
[15:14:31] <Shaboozey> and when you decide to give me proper ban reason.
[15:14:33] <Shaboozey> please tell.
[15:14:34] <gry> stop now, then. it's almost always a safe option
[15:14:46] <Shaboozey> sure- read lines above.
[15:15:35] <gry> Please note that the network staff members reserve the right to change these policies, restrict access to services, and/or shut down the network and its services at any time and without prior notification to its users.
[15:15:49] <gry> I can do that without notification, thanks.
[15:16:01] <Shaboozey> if you wanna be assho.e
[15:16:04] <Shaboozey> asshole*
[15:16:08] <Shaboozey> sure. do whatever you want.
[15:17:50] <Shaboozey> do you agree that one could call operator who does whatever he wants with using ' that rule you posted twice' an asshole safely?
[15:33:18] <Shaboozey> ^
[15:37:24] <gry> I'm here. I don't find it useful to continue, as you're a good questions box, and how I answer won't affect anything.
[15:37:40] <Shaboozey> it will.
[15:37:46] <Shaboozey> and i am not question box.
[15:37:50] <Shaboozey> and i find that offensive.
[15:37:56] <Shaboozey> ^ can report.
[15:38:08] <gry> It's in no way personal. You've asked more questions than I got during the day. :P
[15:38:39] <Shaboozey> and i can ask 50 million more if needed.
[15:38:42] <Shaboozey> wont run out.
[15:39:24] <gry> So, let's start. I'll answer a few, then you'll explain how these answers affect anything on either of our sides.
[15:39:32] <gry> <Shaboozey> do you agree that one could call operator who does whatever he wants with using ' that rule you posted twice' an asshole safely?
[15:39:58] <Shaboozey> so. go ahead. answer.
[15:40:04] <gry> Yes, you can do that safely. Your health, or life won't be affected.
[15:40:15] <Shaboozey> i meant not real life safety
[15:40:20] <Shaboozey> i know that you can not do anything to me irl.
[15:40:22] <Shaboozey> i meant irc.
[15:40:59] <gry> So, you're asking if calling us names could be harmful to your presence here?
[15:41:27] <Shaboozey> ^ since you didint respond to question i asked in such form. i wont respond to this one either.
[15:41:42] <Shaboozey> [15:17:50] <Shaboozey> do you agree that one could call operator who does whatever he wants with using ' that rule you posted twice' an asshole free of consequences?
[15:42:05] <gry> ok, this is bit more answer-able, I'll proceed
[15:42:33] <gry> Calling users names is a breach of item 3, namely user harrassment in PMs or channels.
[15:42:54] <gry> So, no, it wouldn't be free of consequences in the long term.
[15:43:01] <Shaboozey> operator doing anything he wants and hiding behind last section. is also harassment of users in pms or channels.
[15:43:25] <gry> Am I harrassing you now? (does this imply I must stop?)
[15:43:37] <Shaboozey> not talking about you here.
[15:44:26] <gry> ok, is there a next question you could possibly shape?
[15:44:48] <gry> out of the operator hiding thing or whatnot.
[15:46:08] <Shaboozey> well.
[15:46:16] <Shaboozey> now i can actually report you.
[15:46:17] <Shaboozey> thanks.
[15:46:46] <gry> I will have to add that, nobody other than we two is aware of your definitions of 'trolling' -- explaining them would be more useful tham assming that _empty is crazy ...
[15:47:03] <Shaboozey> i never said he is crazy.
[15:47:15] <gry> s/crazy/prejudging/
[15:47:22] <Shaboozey> prejudging is not crazy.
[15:47:35] <gry> I've corrected the previous line, you can read it again
[15:48:04] <Shaboozey> got another justification for banning me from #Help?
[15:48:09] <Shaboozey> and stop hiding behind the last section.
[15:49:11] <gry> You've spend last few weeks in doing aggressive reporting of users, playing with the rules in channels, and lawyering with the rules in /msg with intent of "making" us do things like ban helen and fix our warnings style.
[15:49:44] <Shaboozey> what do you define as agressive.
[15:49:46] <Shaboozey> plus.
[15:49:46] <gry> Dragging any of these to #help, or asking me to change phrasing here, is not useful to any of the parties.
[15:50:00] <Shaboozey> wait. wtf
[15:50:06] <Shaboozey> are you really that dumb or what?
[15:50:13] <Shaboozey> #help wasnt related to pms.
[15:50:15] <Shaboozey> learn that.
[15:50:21] <Shaboozey> +
[15:50:24] <Shaboozey> as i said previously.
[15:50:29] <Shaboozey> my current goal about helen has changed.
[15:50:38] <Shaboozey> i do not want to get him/her/it banned .
[15:50:43] <Shaboozey> i taken it to police.
[15:50:47] <Shaboozey> i dont give a fuck what you guys do about it
[15:50:51] <Shaboozey> PERIOUD
[15:50:54] <Shaboozey> PERIOD*
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[15:51:26] <Shaboozey> playing with the rules in channels?
[15:51:30] <Shaboozey> Which ones? EXACTLY PLEASE
[15:51:43] <gry> We will not "do" things for you, or "learn" things for you, or fix our phrasing. It's clear enough for you to understand what we're referring to.
[15:51:44] <Shaboozey> and technically i never did /msg. i do /q
[15:51:52] <Shaboozey> and 'fix phrasing'
[15:51:55] <Shaboozey> was request/suggestion
[15:52:03] <Shaboozey> i am not forcing anyone d oanything/ can not
[15:52:20] <Shaboozey> gry- everyone is different. it is not clear for everyone always.
[15:52:33] <gry> I will ask you to stop lawyering and to bring any seeked orders if you have these.
[15:52:55] <Shaboozey> and to bring any seeked orders if you have these.
[15:52:56] <Shaboozey> ?
[15:53:17] <gry> If you want me to do something, list it here, one by one, in numbered lines, and tell when you're done.
[15:53:45] <Shaboozey> i wont. because you will clearly use it against me
[15:53:51] <Shaboozey> because now you said i am demanding shit.
[15:53:53] <Shaboozey> when i am not.
[15:54:04] <Shaboozey> also, could you remind me what was email to send complaints at?
[15:54:11] <gry> If you don't have anything you want me to do, please confirm that, so we can depart and have a nice day.
[15:54:27] <gry> If you do, please list it here, one by one, in numbered lines, and tell when you're done.
[15:54:37] <Shaboozey> okay. sure i will refrase it so you cant use it later.
[15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:55:15] <Shaboozey> to learn definition / difference between beeing a troll and beeing annoying there is a bit of difference.
[15:55:21] <gry> numbered lines please
[15:55:25] <Shaboozey> ...
[15:55:35] <Shaboozey> 1 to learn definition / difference between beeing a troll and beeing annoying there is a bit of difference.
[15:56:04] <Shaboozey> 2 to give me direct warnings. because i can not understand others always. (you see, everyone is unique. and i am the idiot who doesnt understand indirect warnings)
[15:56:30] <Shaboozey> 3 to give me Proper reasons for beeing banned from #kottnet and #help and stop hiding behind last rule.
[15:56:43] <Shaboozey> 4  be nicer *
[15:56:46] <Shaboozey> and i am done.
[15:56:50] <gry> ok.
[15:56:58] <gry> For each item, please list the reasons why you want it to be done, pointing to a part of the guidelines which would be breached if we didn't do that.
[15:57:01] <Shaboozey> remind me email to send complaints at.
[15:57:14] <Shaboozey> gry.
[15:57:16] <Shaboozey> seriously
[15:57:20] <Shaboozey> are you fucking kidding me?
[15:57:23] <Shaboozey> are you dumb or what?
[15:57:24] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:24] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:25] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:25] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:25] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:25] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:26] <Shaboozey> [15:54:51] <Shaboozey> i would like you to do  ( not demanding or whatever ) :
[15:57:30] <Shaboozey> CAN YOU FUCKING READ?
[15:58:25] <gry> If you don't demand these things, please consider them filed, stamped, and sent to us, and don't bring these topics up again.
[15:58:32] <gry> If you do demand them, please proceed with my last query.
[15:58:50] <Shaboozey> if i demand them. you will say that i have no rights to demand it or whatever.
[15:59:53] <gry> Please make your choice now, so we can continue the conversation, or cease.
[16:00:17] <Shaboozey> i will in few min
[16:00:18] <Shaboozey> in meanwhile.
[16:00:26] <Shaboozey> i want you to remind me email i send complaints at
[16:00:30] <gry> You have an option of delaying your choice by a amount of time you choose, in which case you also can't bring these topics up unless the choice is made.
[16:00:34] <Shaboozey> it was kottizens one.
[16:00:37] <gry> ok, hold on.
[16:00:47] <Shaboozey> i asked that like ten times.
[16:04:04] <gry> martin@pola.org
[16:04:11] <Shaboozey> ty.
[16:05:31] <gry> To help us to be both available at needed time, how long do you want to delay your choice by?
[16:05:59] <Shaboozey> long enough to think.
[16:06:11] <Shaboozey> How to frase it that way so you can not exploit it.
[16:06:14] <gry> Do you agree to not bring these topics up during the time being?
[16:06:39] <Shaboozey> i do not agree on anything with you. never.
[16:06:42] <Shaboozey> just because i can.
[16:06:52] <Shaboozey> brb thinking.
[16:07:59] <gry> This means that during that time you will have to:  1 accept that trolling includes all kinds of annoying or otherwise disruptive behaviour in any way 2 not talk to us about any bans which you think weren't warned 3 not ask us about reasons for bans from #kottnet and #help. If you're seen doing any of these before your choice is made, we'll stop dealing with the things.
[16:08:43] <Shaboozey> walls of text...
[16:09:11] <Shaboozey> wait
[16:09:13] <Shaboozey> where is 2?
[16:09:18] <Shaboozey> i see 1, 3
[16:09:20] <Shaboozey> but 2?
[16:09:26] <gry> n any way 2 not talk t
[16:10:08] <Shaboozey> cool. i can bring up helenB matter up once again in meanwhile.
[16:10:14] <Shaboozey> since its not listed there.
[16:10:16] <Shaboozey> gry
[16:10:19] <Shaboozey> could you please Remember
[16:10:22] <Shaboozey> that my goal has changed?
[16:10:30] <gry> yes?
[16:10:39] <Shaboozey> that my current goal is not getting helen banned and i dont give a fuck about helenB staying on kottnet?
[16:10:49] <Shaboozey> can you burn it in your mind and not come up with saying that iw ant helen banned.
[16:11:02] <gry> sure
[16:11:08] <gry> this comes with condition
[16:11:26] <gry> namely: that you don't bring this topic in channels, or in pms, here, anymore.
[16:11:45] <Shaboozey> pretty sure that this is not the time you can give conditions at.
[16:11:58] <Shaboozey> because my goal has changed. it doesnt mean i wont bring this entire topic up again.
[16:12:13] <gry> This means, we will do that, but if you bring the Helen issue up with any user on the network, we will stop dealing with the things.
[16:12:18] <Shaboozey> my current goal is to prove to ops that i didint fake the logs. and that is the point where i stop bringing it up
[16:12:25] <gry> Including any lines past this line.
[16:12:25] <gry> ---
[16:12:33] <Shaboozey> Again
[16:12:41] <Shaboozey> idgf about what ops say in pms.
[16:12:45] <Shaboozey> public channel plox.
[16:13:00] <Shaboozey> you see. i keep pms separate from public channels.
[16:13:16] <gry> Please add #5. "To accept that PMs are outside of IRC" or how you want to phrase?
[16:13:35] <Shaboozey> you can phrase it youself as long as point remains same.
[16:13:43] <gry> ok, I'll consider phrasing done.
[16:13:48] <Shaboozey> also.
[16:13:51] <Shaboozey> i just realised.
[16:13:59] <Shaboozey> why the fuck i am talking with you about this.
[16:14:02] <Shaboozey> i need someone objective.
[16:14:04] <Shaboozey> .
[16:14:19] <Shaboozey> who from operators is online?
[16:14:43] <gry> We're now in the " shaboozey makes choice of whether to demand " stage. You now can't bring any of the 5 issues with us, and we won't proceed untill the choice is made.
[16:15:22] <Shaboozey> i'm sorry. i think i will just bring that over to someone who does not prejudge me.
[16:15:25] <gry> All of us are online I think. I wouldn't have a way to guide in who's quite awake here other than using channels we share.
[16:15:36] <gry> I'm trying to be objective, am I not?
[16:15:46] <Shaboozey> no you are not. sorry.
[16:15:49] <Shaboozey> and #help did prove that.
[16:16:04] <Shaboozey> i was Super polite.
[16:16:06] <Shaboozey> not trolling.
[16:16:10] <Shaboozey> not trying to be annoying.
[16:16:13] <Shaboozey> yet i got kicked and banned.
[16:16:20] <Shaboozey> = subjectiveness much
[16:16:21] <gry> "3 not ask us about reasons for bans from #kottnet and #help." was not done, and you've not made your choice, but asked for the reason.
[16:16:34] <Shaboozey> i didint ask for anything.
[16:16:36] <Shaboozey> i said.
[16:16:41] <Shaboozey> reason why i will bring it over to other operator.
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