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  1. [2018-03-17 17:00:19] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so hey meeting's starting
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  4. [2018-03-17 17:00:27] <Lord_Bowser> hi
  5. [2018-03-17 17:00:29] <Anton{Politoed}> 4here we are again to talk stuff and do things !
  6. [2018-03-17 17:00:39] <Lord_Bowser> i want to do things
  7. [2018-03-17 17:01:03] <Anton{Politoed}> 4the plans for this meeting are mostly to go over what we've started on the forum, so:
  8. [2018-03-17 17:01:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Finalizing talks on M8 Favorite Art Style
  9. [2018-03-17 17:01:21] <smasher> h
  10. [2018-03-17 17:01:22] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Finalizing talks on M9 Favorite DLC
  11. [2018-03-17 17:01:41] <__2257> 7hold object last position?
  12. [2018-03-17 17:01:56] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Bringing up what to do with M10 Favorite Partner Developer
  13. [2018-03-17 17:02:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Discussing 22's idea on M5-7 officially
  14. [2018-03-17 17:02:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Loading up Favorite capture
  15. [2018-03-17 17:02:39] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Possible talks on new award ideas
  16. [2018-03-17 17:02:48] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Continuing work on the rest of Mario Awards
  17. [2018-03-17 17:03:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4if no one has anything super enormous to bring up now we'll begin on M8 in just a minute
  18. [2018-03-17 17:03:34] <Gabumon> 3I can't think of anything pressing
  19. [2018-03-17 17:03:49] <NEXandGBX> same here
  20. [2018-03-17 17:03:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4woo!
  21. [2018-03-17 17:03:52] <smasher> nope
  22. [2018-03-17 17:03:55] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so for reference, https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39720.0
  23. [2018-03-17 17:03:56] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> not here
  24. [2018-03-17 17:04:10] <Anton{Politoed}> 4what we had left to do with M8 Favorite Art Style was discussion on a new nominee
  25. [2018-03-17 17:04:30] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it seems pretty set that the wording on it will be "2D Promotional Artwork style"
  26. [2018-03-17 17:04:49] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but we haven't exactly settled on whether we're adding it at all and what it means for the state of the award and further implications
  27. [2018-03-17 17:05:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4initially Favorite Art Style was meant for styles in games, as reflected by the nominees
  28. [2018-03-17 17:05:50] <Gabumon> 3the concern is that so far we have only really included art styles that were the dominant style in a specific game
  29. [2018-03-17 17:05:52] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'm personally not opposed to adjusting the definition to allow 2D Promo style but in the event we do I think we should address on including comic styles which are just as iconic, if not more so
  30. [2018-03-17 17:06:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4or we could decide on a more specific title of the award simply
  31. [2018-03-17 17:07:06] <Lord_Bowser> the only really iconic comic style that comes to mind is super mario-kun
  32. [2018-03-17 17:07:08] <Lakituthequick> i.e. if 2d promo arts get added, maybe add mario kun too and stuff
  33. [2018-03-17 17:07:13] <Gabumon> 3yeah
  34. [2018-03-17 17:07:18] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> are any of the comic styles iconic - yeah
  35. [2018-03-17 17:07:24] <Lord_Bowser> i dont remember the other styles
  36. [2018-03-17 17:07:25] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> mario kun is the only one that feels well-known
  37. [2018-03-17 17:07:26] <NEXandGBX> that seems fine
  38. [2018-03-17 17:07:28] <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's currently 12 nominees in this, so adding 2D wouldn't be a logistical issue, as would adding a couple forms of comic styles, so it's more in the form of definition
  39. [2018-03-17 17:07:30] <Lord_Bowser> yeah per perch
  40. [2018-03-17 17:07:49] <Lord_Bowser> i wouldnt mind expanding the definition to incorporate them
  41. [2018-03-17 17:07:52] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'm fine with simply broadending it
  42. [2018-03-17 17:07:56] <Gabumon> 3if we add the promo artwork style, we should also include super mario kun
  43. [2018-03-17 17:08:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I agree with that
  44. [2018-03-17 17:08:20] <turb> agreed
  45. [2018-03-17 17:08:28] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Baby_Luigi did mention a slipper slope thing but I don't think that's inherently bad or antithetical to including 2D
  46. [2018-03-17 17:08:29] <Lakituthequick> per
  47. [2018-03-17 17:08:31] <Anton{Politoed}> 4slippery*
  48. [2018-03-17 17:09:01] <turb> I don't think there are too many things that would like, make broadening the definition of the award an actual slippery slope
  49. [2018-03-17 17:09:13] <smasher> i dont oppose
  50. [2018-03-17 17:09:17] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> add the donkey kong cartoon style :)
  51. [2018-03-17 17:09:19] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> (don't)
  52. [2018-03-17 17:09:25] <Gabumon> 3I'm ok with adding both, but under the stipulation that we hammer out some kind of specific definition when the time comes
  53. [2018-03-17 17:09:35] <turb> yeah, thatd be good
  54. [2018-03-17 17:09:42] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> fine by me
  55. [2018-03-17 17:09:44] <Toadbert> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JO_Tn9d9u1A/hqdefault.jpg you mean this
  56. [2018-03-17 17:09:52] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> yes
  57. [2018-03-17 17:09:56] <Toadbert> y
  58. [2018-03-17 17:09:58] <Lord_Bowser> highlighting distinct and notable art styles used in mario games and related media...?
  59. [2018-03-17 17:10:01] <Lord_Bowser> idk
  60. [2018-03-17 17:10:02] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yeah, https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39717.0 could use some work put to it
  61. [2018-03-17 17:10:24] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but I agree that this does open a bit of leeway for cartoon styles
  62. [2018-03-17 17:10:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'm not exactly gung-ho on adding those immediately or talking about it
  63. [2018-03-17 17:10:42] <NEXandGBX> the dic cartoon style is pretty distinct but i don't know how many votes it would get
  64. [2018-03-17 17:10:48] <smasher> i have a dkc cartoon video
  65. [2018-03-17 17:10:50] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i think if we did do cartoon styles the dic one is the only one i'd seriously wanna add
  66. [2018-03-17 17:10:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but it means in the sense that if we agree on the definition change that we just won't toss out those write-ins when they come in
  67. [2018-03-17 17:10:56] <Lord_Bowser> i dont think anyone legitimately thinks the dic style is the best one anyway
  68. [2018-03-17 17:10:56] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> as a full nominee
  69. [2018-03-17 17:11:01] <Gabumon> 3for now lets leave the cartoons out and see if they get any write-ins
  70. [2018-03-17 17:11:07] <Lord_Bowser> yeah per edo
  71. [2018-03-17 17:11:08] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> works for me
  72. [2018-03-17 17:11:15] <NEXandGBX> seems good
  73. [2018-03-17 17:11:16] <smasher> agree
  74. [2018-03-17 17:11:18] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so, time for me to figure out an inclusive vote wording
  75. [2018-03-17 17:12:26] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Allow the change in definition for M8 Favorite Art Style to include non-games, subsequently allowing in "2D Promotional Artwork style" and "Super Mario-Kun" as nominees? (y/n/a)
  76. [2018-03-17 17:12:33] <Lord_Bowser> y
  77. [2018-03-17 17:12:34] <NEXandGBX> y
  78. [2018-03-17 17:12:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4if there is an issue with how wide-reaching this vote is I can change it
  79. [2018-03-17 17:12:35] <Lakituthequick> y
  80. [2018-03-17 17:12:41] <__2257> 7y
  81. [2018-03-17 17:12:42] <turb> y
  82. [2018-03-17 17:12:44] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but y
  83. [2018-03-17 17:12:48] <Gabumon> 3y
  84. [2018-03-17 17:12:51] <smasher> y
  85. [2018-03-17 17:12:58] <Gamefreak75> y
  86. [2018-03-17 17:13:14] <smasher> 9-0-0
  87. [2018-03-17 17:13:26] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  88. [2018-03-17 17:13:33] <smasher> 10-0-0
  89. [2018-03-17 17:13:53] <Anton{Politoed}> 4gr8, it passes
  90. [2018-03-17 17:14:14] <Anton{Politoed}> 4i've added them on our Full List and put in my notes to mark down the change in definition when we put up a formal wording of it in that thread
  91. [2018-03-17 17:14:39] <Anton{Politoed}> 4any other considerations right now for M8?
  92. [2018-03-17 17:14:59] <Gabumon> 3nop
  93. [2018-03-17 17:15:01] <turb> nothing that needs to be addressed right here and now I don't think
  94. [2018-03-17 17:15:02] <Anton{Politoed}> 4oh wait i gotta add "style" to the end of mario kun but otherwise _
  95. [2018-03-17 17:15:05] <NEXandGBX> since we already covered what we'll do with cartoon styles i can't think of anything
  96. [2018-03-17 17:15:22] <smasher> !skip
  97. [2018-03-17 17:15:29] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so onto M9 Favorite DLC
  98. [2018-03-17 17:15:59] <Anton{Politoed}> 4which in https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39718.0 and last meeting it was pretty uncontested with changing the name, so just to make that official
  99. [2018-03-17 17:16:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Change the title of "M9 Favorite DLC" to "M9 Favorite Add-On Content"? (y/n/a)
  100. [2018-03-17 17:16:22] <turb> y
  101. [2018-03-17 17:16:23] <Gamefreak75> y
  102. [2018-03-17 17:16:25] <Lakituthequick> y
  103. [2018-03-17 17:16:26] <Gabumon> 3y
  104. [2018-03-17 17:16:27] <Anton{Politoed}> 4while this vote is ongoing other ideas may be presented still
  105. [2018-03-17 17:16:27] <Lord_Bowser> y
  106. [2018-03-17 17:16:29] <__2257> 7y
  107. [2018-03-17 17:16:34] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  108. [2018-03-17 17:16:37] <NEXandGBX> y
  109. [2018-03-17 17:16:54] <smasher> y
  110. [2018-03-17 17:17:06] <smasher> 9-0-0
  111. [2018-03-17 17:17:47] <Anton{Politoed}> 4excellent, so that's changed
  112. [2018-03-17 17:18:05] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and with that comes in the potential for a complete shake-up in nominees, something that wasn't really touched on
  113. [2018-03-17 17:18:18] <Anton{Politoed}> 4current nominees are:
  114. [2018-03-17 17:18:19] <Anton{Politoed}> 4The Legend of Zelda × Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing × Mario Kart 8, Mercedes-Benz × Mario Kart 8, New Super Luigi U, Peach's Castle stage (SSB4), Super Mario Maker stage (SSB4), Super Mario Mash-Up Pack (Minecraft)
  115. [2018-03-17 17:18:44] <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's https://www.mariowiki.com/Category:Downloadable_content to reference but basically we just need to brainstorm what needs to be added or anything to be removed
  116. [2018-03-17 17:18:54] <Anton{Politoed}> 4here's https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RsocZ6s-whVG__FrTqGK_CVeDPOJiAVeYBB-7aat2oo/edit#heading=h.culgiaqu7gjr for results
  117. [2018-03-17 17:18:58] <Lakituthequick> Current nominees seem fine still
  118. [2018-03-17 17:19:06] <smasher> does that sonic lost world count now
  119. [2018-03-17 17:19:09] <Lord_Bowser> im not sure if minecraft is really add on content now....?
  120. [2018-03-17 17:19:28] <Lakituthequick> minecraft is funny because iirc
  121. [2018-03-17 17:19:33] <smasher> weve considered it in the past
  122. [2018-03-17 17:19:34] <Lakituthequick> it was part of an update
  123. [2018-03-17 17:19:37] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> back in abit
  124. [2018-03-17 17:19:39] <turb> minecraft technically is add-on content still though isn't it
  125. [2018-03-17 17:19:42] <Lord_Bowser> oh wait im remembering the discussion last year
  126. [2018-03-17 17:19:44] <turb> if considered "added on to the base game"
  127. [2018-03-17 17:19:55] <Anton{Politoed}> 4balloon world would have to be voted in to add since that's kinda what this expansion was for
  128. [2018-03-17 17:20:02] <smasher> also add balloon world now
  129. [2018-03-17 17:20:05] <smasher> yeah
  130. [2018-03-17 17:20:19] <Lakituthequick> minecraft stuff really is add-on because it was added later yeah
  131. [2018-03-17 17:20:20] <Lord_Bowser> balloon world add on yeah
  132. [2018-03-17 17:20:32] <Lakituthequick> + balloon world
  133. [2018-03-17 17:21:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Add "Balloon World (SMO)" to M9 Favorite Add-On Content? (y/n/a)
  134. [2018-03-17 17:21:07] <turb> y
  135. [2018-03-17 17:21:08] <Gamefreak75> y
  136. [2018-03-17 17:21:08] <Gabumon> 3y
  137. [2018-03-17 17:21:08] <Lakituthequick> y
  138. [2018-03-17 17:21:10] <__2257> 7y
  139. [2018-03-17 17:21:11] <Lord_Bowser> y
  140. [2018-03-17 17:21:12] <smasher> everything there already can stay btw
  141. [2018-03-17 17:21:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4fun fact i kept typoing balloon as balloween
  142. [2018-03-17 17:21:13] <NEXandGBX> y
  143. [2018-03-17 17:21:16] <smasher> y
  144. [2018-03-17 17:21:18] <turb> is the full title Luigi's Balloon World?
  145. [2018-03-17 17:21:25] <smasher> 8-0-0
  146. [2018-03-17 17:21:27] <Lakituthequick> that's one heck of a type
  147. [2018-03-17 17:21:27] <NEXandGBX> i think so
  148. [2018-03-17 17:21:31] <Lakituthequick> *typo
  149. [2018-03-17 17:21:33] <Anton{Politoed}> 4wiki only says Balloon World but _
  150. [2018-03-17 17:21:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4https://www.mariowiki.com/Balloon_World
  151. [2018-03-17 17:22:15] <Lakituthequick> I think it should be Luigi's Balloon World actually yeah
  152. [2018-03-17 17:22:17] <turb> "called Luigi's Balloon World in the Nintendo Mini Direct trailer"
  153. [2018-03-17 17:22:20] <Gabumon> 3its ok, nobody likes luigi anyway
  154. [2018-03-17 17:22:22] <Lord_Bowser> i believe nintendo officially referr- yeas
  155. [2018-03-17 17:22:25] <turb> not from the wiki but from the other wikia LOL
  156. [2018-03-17 17:22:36] <Anton{Politoed}> 4someone tell the wiki
  157. [2018-03-17 17:22:37] <turb> it's just balloon world in-game though
  158. [2018-03-17 17:22:41] <smasher> h
  159. [2018-03-17 17:22:41] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but I'll retcon that change in
  160. [2018-03-17 17:23:00] <Gamefreak75> our wiki confirmed trash
  161. [2018-03-17 17:23:32] <Anton{Politoed}> 4any other possible considerations for this?
  162. [2018-03-17 17:23:33] <Lakituthequick> whats fun is
  163. [2018-03-17 17:23:36] <Lakituthequick> Balloon World[1] is a minigame ...
  164. [2018-03-17 17:23:37] <Anton{Politoed}> 4re: nominees
  165. [2018-03-17 17:23:47] <Lakituthequick> [1] literally says Luigi's Balloon World
  166. [2018-03-17 17:24:15] <NEXandGBX> the only other possibility i can think of is smm's updates
  167. [2018-03-17 17:24:37] <smasher> that sonic level?
  168. [2018-03-17 17:24:50] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that was something we explicitly left off in previous years because it didn't fit "DLC" so yeah the SMM things can come back into discussion
  169. [2018-03-17 17:25:02] <Anton{Politoed}> 4what's the sonic level
  170. [2018-03-17 17:25:07] <NEXandGBX> yoshi's island zone
  171. [2018-03-17 17:25:14] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that sounds neat
  172. [2018-03-17 17:25:21] <smasher> yeah that
  173. [2018-03-17 17:25:35] <smasher> its in sonic lost world
  174. [2018-03-17 17:25:46] <smasher> weve discussed it before
  175. [2018-03-17 17:25:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it fits into a similar context as the minecraft and ssb things
  176. [2018-03-17 17:26:11] <Gabumon> 3yeah I guess thats true
  177. [2018-03-17 17:26:14] <Lakituthequick> it does really
  178. [2018-03-17 17:26:46] <turb> oh yeah the smm things
  179. [2018-03-17 17:26:47] <Lakituthequick> wouldn't oppose adding it
  180. [2018-03-17 17:26:49] <turb> i forgot about those entirely
  181. [2018-03-17 17:27:02] <turb> i legit could've sworn the sonic level was already on there once
  182. [2018-03-17 17:27:06] <turb> did we remove it
  183. [2018-03-17 17:27:12] <Lakituthequick> it was written in at least
  184. [2018-03-17 17:27:16] <NEXandGBX> yeah i remember it being on there too
  185. [2018-03-17 17:27:21] <NEXandGBX> not sure
  186. [2018-03-17 17:27:22] <Gabumon> 3lets add it
  187. [2018-03-17 17:27:28] <smasher> i dont think we ever added it
  188. [2018-03-17 17:27:39] <smasher> we just considered it
  189. [2018-03-17 17:27:53] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Add "Yoshi's Island Zone (Sonic Lost World)" to M9? (y/n/a)
  190. [2018-03-17 17:27:56] <Lakituthequick> y
  191. [2018-03-17 17:27:57] <smasher> i think we werent sure if it counted
  192. [2018-03-17 17:27:57] <Gabumon> 3y
  193. [2018-03-17 17:27:59] <Lord_Bowser> a
  194. [2018-03-17 17:28:05] <smasher> now it does
  195. [2018-03-17 17:28:06] <smasher> Y
  196. [2018-03-17 17:28:09] <smasher> y
  197. [2018-03-17 17:28:17] <__2257> 7y
  198. [2018-03-17 17:28:25] <turb> y
  199. [2018-03-17 17:28:47] <smasher> 5-0-1
  200. [2018-03-17 17:28:48] <Gamefreak75> y
  201. [2018-03-17 17:28:53] <smasher> 6-0-1
  202. [2018-03-17 17:28:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4y
  203. [2018-03-17 17:29:07] <smasher> 7-0-1
  204. [2018-03-17 17:29:15] <Lord_Bowser> y then
  205. [2018-03-17 17:29:29] <smasher> almost typed 7-£-1
  206. [2018-03-17 17:29:34] <smasher> 8-0-0
  207. [2018-03-17 17:29:45] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it's added
  208. [2018-03-17 17:29:46] <Anton{Politoed}> 4https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Maker#Updates
  209. [2018-03-17 17:29:55] <Gabumon> 3I have a question
  210. [2018-03-17 17:29:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4are there any of these that stand out as anything we should include
  211. [2018-03-17 17:30:05] <smasher> now i can rest in peace
  212. [2018-03-17 17:30:34] <Gabumon> 3regarding that remake of smb3, does the e-reader stuff fit under this definition?
  213. [2018-03-17 17:30:44] <smasher> imo yes
  214. [2018-03-17 17:31:12] <turb> i guess it does yeah
  215. [2018-03-17 17:31:21] <smasher> it kind of is addon content
  216. [2018-03-17 17:31:24] <Lord_Bowser> was smb3 the only game that extensively used e-readers
  217. [2018-03-17 17:31:43] <__2257> 7mvdk
  218. [2018-03-17 17:31:45] <turb> hm
  219. [2018-03-17 17:31:54] <Lord_Bowser> whatd mvdk do
  220. [2018-03-17 17:31:58] <turb> i guess i'd say, if any of these updates were to be added, i'd pick 1.40
  221. [2018-03-17 17:32:16] <turb> I don't really know if it has like more meaningful content than the others
  222. [2018-03-17 17:32:33] <turb> but it had super expert and some fairly substantial cours eelements
  223. [2018-03-17 17:33:07] <smasher> that makes sense to add
  224. [2018-03-17 17:33:10] <__2257> 7i dont really know, i never owned it
  225. [2018-03-17 17:33:13] <Lord_Bowser> what about 1.2.0
  226. [2018-03-17 17:33:17] <__2257> 7extra levels i think
  227. [2018-03-17 17:33:32] <Lord_Bowser> that added checkpoints and event courses
  228. [2018-03-17 17:33:35] <__2257> 7there was also mario party e which was only an ereader game
  229. [2018-03-17 17:33:37] <smasher> i have mvdk but idk what the ereader does
  230. [2018-03-17 17:33:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4if we list SMM stuff would it just be called "Version 1.40" or something
  231. [2018-03-17 17:33:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4also idk anything about e-readers so i can't contribute beyond initiating a vote
  232. [2018-03-17 17:34:07] <Lakituthequick> just a version number is fairly non-describing
  233. [2018-03-17 17:34:24] <NEXandGBX> i don't know how many people are familiar with the e-reader levels so _
  234. [2018-03-17 17:34:27] <smasher> idk if enough would know what version numbers would cover
  235. [2018-03-17 17:35:02] <Gabumon> 3I think I may have suggested this last year and it wasnt very popular, but if we have too many small updates, we could just do this award on a by-game-basis
  236. [2018-03-17 17:35:04] <smasher> maybe add Super Expert or something at least
  237. [2018-03-17 17:35:07] <turb> Version 1.40 (Super Expert, Keys/Locked Doors, Pink Coins, Skewers) ? ? ? ?
  238. [2018-03-17 17:35:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4i mean it'd also have the (SMM) on the end of it but _
  239. [2018-03-17 17:35:10] <turb> idk
  240. [2018-03-17 17:35:13] <Gabumon> 3and ask "which of these games had the best add on content?"
  241. [2018-03-17 17:35:14] <turb> and then there's also the smm on the end
  242. [2018-03-17 17:35:35] <turb> if nintendo keeps pushing out dlc I'm not like
  243. [2018-03-17 17:35:37] <Anton{Politoed}> 4out of commission for a minute, kitty really wants the keyboard
  244. [2018-03-17 17:35:38] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> hi
  245. [2018-03-17 17:35:40] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'm back
  246. [2018-03-17 17:35:48] <turb> opposed to that being a change maybe next year or so
  247. [2018-03-17 17:35:56] <turb> idk if we should do it this year
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  250. [2018-03-17 17:36:23] <turb> i should probably say I'm not opposed to it being a thing this year either
  251. [2018-03-17 17:37:16] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok kitty has been satisfied
  252. [2018-03-17 17:37:31] <Anton{Politoed}> 4anyways if a nominee name can be squirted out I'll be up for it
  253. [2018-03-17 17:38:18] <Lakituthequick> Version 1.4.0: level elements/expert mode (SMM)
  254. [2018-03-17 17:38:19] <Lakituthequick> ?
  255. [2018-03-17 17:38:44] <turb> i thought about just shitting Level Elements in but like
  256. [2018-03-17 17:38:54] <turb> I wondered if it was too unspecific
  257. [2018-03-17 17:38:55] <Gabumon> 3I dont SMM
  258. [2018-03-17 17:39:01] <turb> which is why i listed them all in the hypothetical i brought up
  259. [2018-03-17 17:39:04] <Gabumon> 3Is the term "expert mode" recognizable?
  260. [2018-03-17 17:39:09] <turb> Super Expert likely is
  261. [2018-03-17 17:39:16] <turb> not expert mode in and of itself, that's a different thing
  262. [2018-03-17 17:39:34] <Lakituthequick> yeah, was more of an outline
  263. [2018-03-17 17:39:42] <Anton{Politoed}> 4also i mean if these two things need more in-depth refinement we can just continue it on the forum
  264. [2018-03-17 17:39:46] <turb> yeah
  265. [2018-03-17 17:39:50] <Lakituthequick> Super Expert is it's actual name
  266. [2018-03-17 17:39:56] <Gabumon> 3if you can put one clearly recognizable thing in the name, people might know which update is meant
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  268. [2018-03-17 17:40:21] <turb> Version 1.40 (Super Expert) (SMM)
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  271. [2018-03-17 17:40:44] <Gabumon> 3like for example if you talked to me about a version number of minecraft, I might not remember, but if you say "the update that had polar bears", I'll probably know
  272. [2018-03-17 17:41:01] <turb> yeah
  273. [2018-03-17 17:41:13] <Toadbert> ive been forgetting which version added what lately
  274. [2018-03-17 17:41:17] <Toadbert> ever since 1.0
  275. [2018-03-17 17:41:18] <Lakituthequick> oh yeah, minecraft has polar bears now
  276. [2018-03-17 17:41:21] <Toadbert> whic isnt lately
  277. [2018-03-17 17:41:29] <turb> one of the updates had horses
  278. [2018-03-17 17:41:32] <Toadbert> actually on that note
  279. [2018-03-17 17:41:32] <turb> thats all i know
  280. [2018-03-17 17:41:36] <Lakituthequick> i should get myself updated on that stuff
  281. [2018-03-17 17:41:37] <Toadbert> the updates have had names
  282. [2018-03-17 17:41:42] <Toadbert> so you could use htose
  283. [2018-03-17 17:41:48] <turb> but yeah going with what i said i think that super expert is the most recognizable thing for that
  284. [2018-03-17 17:41:59] <turb> i remember it being a point of discussion when it came out
  285. [2018-03-17 17:42:02] <turb> moreso than the level elements
  286. [2018-03-17 17:42:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4well I think we should move this onto the forum for later in the pre-existing thread, but it feels like there's a solid end in sight for it
  287. [2018-03-17 17:43:07] <Anton{Politoed}> 4figuring out nominees from e-reader and wording for SMM stuff
  288. [2018-03-17 17:43:10] <turb> sounds goo
  289. [2018-03-17 17:43:10] <turb> d
  290. [2018-03-17 17:43:28] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i feel like the e-reader could plausibly be considered add-on content
  291. [2018-03-17 17:43:32] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> the levels and such i mean
  292. [2018-03-17 17:43:57] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so with this going on the forum for later, next up would be an official stance on wat do with M10 Favorite Partner Developer
  293. [2018-03-17 17:44:15] <Gabumon> 3nuke
  294. [2018-03-17 17:44:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it was pretty uncontested with the assumption of just removing it, but edo's here to give the better worded reason for that
  295. [2018-03-17 17:44:38] <Gabumon> 3you kind of already summarized my reason pretty well last time
  296. [2018-03-17 17:44:42] <Gabumon> 3like
  297. [2018-03-17 17:44:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4oh, gr8
  298. [2018-03-17 17:45:06] <Gabumon> 3my issue with the award is that it might not be entirely clear what is even voted on
  299. [2018-03-17 17:45:38] <Gabumon> 3like, me personally, I see the name Rareware and I think "oh, they made Banjo Kazooie, I love that!" and vote them
  300. [2018-03-17 17:45:50] <Gabumon> 3but B-K is not why theyre on that list
  301. [2018-03-17 17:45:53] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> honestly, i've done that too
  302. [2018-03-17 17:45:58] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> voted retro studios primarily for metroid prime
  303. [2018-03-17 17:46:04] <Gabumon> 3other people may see Intelligent Systems and be like "yay fire emblem"
  304. [2018-03-17 17:46:14] <Gabumon> 3or yeah, retro studios
  305. [2018-03-17 17:46:28] <Gabumon> 3or squaresoft
  306. [2018-03-17 17:46:37] <turb> yeah
  307. [2018-03-17 17:46:42] <turb> i always kind of feel like that with the award too
  308. [2018-03-17 17:46:48] <Anton{Politoed}> 4the nominees since we added on reference games didn't change much beyond sega shooting down a few spots
  309. [2018-03-17 17:46:49] <Gabumon> 3I don't feel like this award produces a result that is very relevant to mario
  310. [2018-03-17 17:46:51] <NEXandGBX> ah, that definitely could be an issue
  311. [2018-03-17 17:46:52] <turb> like i TRY to view it as "oh huh intsys developed paper mario i love that game"
  312. [2018-03-17 17:46:55] <turb> but it's hard
  313. [2018-03-17 17:47:05] <turb> and i feel like the majority of the voterbase also does not do that judging by the results
  314. [2018-03-17 17:47:16] <Gabumon> 3so its spot should go to something with more relevancy
  315. [2018-03-17 17:47:19] <turb> yeah
  316. [2018-03-17 17:47:28] <Stargazing> yeah i agree with that
  317. [2018-03-17 17:47:33] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so to put this formally while discussion is still on-going
  318. [2018-03-17 17:47:44] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Remove M10 Favorite Partner Developer? (y/n/a)
  319. [2018-03-17 17:47:49] <Meta_Knight> y
  320. [2018-03-17 17:47:58] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  321. [2018-03-17 17:48:02] <Gabumon> 3y
  322. [2018-03-17 17:48:04] <Stargazing> y
  323. [2018-03-17 17:48:04] <NEXandGBX> y
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  325. [2018-03-17 17:48:06] <Lord_Bowser> y
  326. [2018-03-17 17:48:17] <Lakituthequick> y
  327. [2018-03-17 17:48:26] <turb> y
  328. [2018-03-17 17:48:27] <Lord_Bowser> i think thats a majority vote to fire smasher
  329. [2018-03-17 17:48:31] <__2257> 7y
  330. [2018-03-17 17:48:34] <smasher> phone deleted the internet
  331. [2018-03-17 17:48:44] <smasher> what are we ying
  332. [2018-03-17 17:48:52] <Lord_Bowser> 5:47 PM <@Anton{Politoed}> Vote: Remove M10 Favorite Partner Developer? (y/n/a)
  333. [2018-03-17 17:48:58] <Lakituthequick> nuke fav-- yeah
  334. [2018-03-17 17:49:09] <Lord_Bowser> 9-0-0
  335. [2018-03-17 17:49:26] <smasher> i missed the main reason but i dont care about it anyway so y
  336. [2018-03-17 17:49:39] <Lord_Bowser> not relevant to mario enough
  337. [2018-03-17 17:49:42] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so it's officially removed
  338. [2018-03-17 17:49:46] <smasher> fair
  339. [2018-03-17 17:49:55] <Lord_Bowser> i.e. people vote on a nominee cause they liked other games they made
  340. [2018-03-17 17:50:08] <Anton{Politoed}> 4leaving us now with M10, M23, and M24 open
  341. [2018-03-17 17:50:14] <Lord_Bowser> intsys with fire emblem, retro studios with metroid, etc
  342. [2018-03-17 17:50:36] <smasher> fair [2]
  343. [2018-03-17 17:51:00] <Anton{Politoed}> 4up next is 22's idea which is a bit complicated to approach as a discussion topic but I think now is the time
  344. [2018-03-17 17:51:02] <Anton{Politoed}> 4https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1995703#msg1995703
  345. [2018-03-17 17:51:24] <smasher> i might disappear again now
  346. [2018-03-17 17:51:52] <Lord_Bowser> i think thats a pretty solid idea overall
  347. [2018-03-17 17:52:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4over last week there's been some debate on what new award ideas to fill in M23 and M24 with, and this is a way we found that would make everyone happy while also nixing the boringness of a few awards that are traditional and not exactly up for solid elimination
  348. [2018-03-17 17:52:05] <Gabumon> 3I think its good
  349. [2018-03-17 17:52:14] <Lord_Bowser> the question is how will the series be determined
  350. [2018-03-17 17:52:16] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i had my own suggestion for this award
  351. [2018-03-17 17:52:18] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> 1 sec
  352. [2018-03-17 17:52:21] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> well, this idea
  353. [2018-03-17 17:52:24] <Lord_Bowser> like what will go in what
  354. [2018-03-17 17:52:30] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that being M5-7, Favorite DK, Wario, and Yoshi Game respectively
  355. [2018-03-17 17:52:36] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1996377#msg1996377
  356. [2018-03-17 17:52:54] <Anton{Politoed}> 4the series reps I have no intention on budging with this idea
  357. [2018-03-17 17:53:00] <Anton{Politoed}> 4they will remain DK, Wario, and Yoshi
  358. [2018-03-17 17:53:47] <Anton{Politoed}> 4 22's idea was "replace them with m5 favorite ___ level, m6 favorite ____ game, and m7 favorite ____ character ", a complete rotation of the 3 types
  359. [2018-03-17 17:53:52] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but I think blocky's idea has some merit
  360. [2018-03-17 17:54:12] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'm not advocating making these permanently "x level", after all
  361. [2018-03-17 17:54:29] <NEXandGBX> assuming yoshi himself wouldn't count what would be in the favorite yoshi character award aside from kamek'
  362. [2018-03-17 17:54:32] <Gabumon> 3its essentially the same concept, just the variables are in different positions
  363. [2018-03-17 17:54:40] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> it's more i think we should put away ALL the stagnant awards for a year, and hopefully next year we'll have enough new material that we can bring back some of them with new nominees to see
  364. [2018-03-17 17:54:42] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> yeah, what edo said
  365. [2018-03-17 17:54:45] <Gabumon> 3poochy
  366. [2018-03-17 17:54:48] <Gabumon> 3the babies
  367. [2018-03-17 17:54:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4since the intention behind this is to make for a rotation award slot, and not necessarily an exact type of award each year, so I'm personally content with them all being a Level award if those are what's gonna be more relevant this year
  368. [2018-03-17 17:55:11] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> also
  369. [2018-03-17 17:55:18] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> this would obv. involve overhauling favorite 2d level
  370. [2018-03-17 17:55:22] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> to remove wario and yoshi levles
  371. [2018-03-17 17:55:30] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yes
  372. [2018-03-17 17:55:45] <smasher> rip those
  373. [2018-03-17 17:55:54] <smasher> but im ok with this
  374. [2018-03-17 17:55:56] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so I guess to put this in a solid vote to lurch forward chunk by chunk
  375. [2018-03-17 17:56:05] <NEXandGBX> we could possibly look at the write-ins to see what can replace them
  376. [2018-03-17 17:56:19] <Lakituthequick> if we do this, don't we end up with four favorite x level awards
  377. [2018-03-17 17:56:22] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> yes
  378. [2018-03-17 17:56:29] <NEXandGBX> if favorite 2d level isn't cramped
  379. [2018-03-17 17:56:34] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> but they're all completely different contexts
  380. [2018-03-17 17:56:38] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Reset M5-7 as rotating rep slots for DK, Wario, and Yoshi? (y/n/a)
  381. [2018-03-17 17:56:40] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  382. [2018-03-17 17:56:42] <Anton{Politoed}> 4just to make it official
  383. [2018-03-17 17:56:43] <Gabumon> 3y
  384. [2018-03-17 17:56:44] <__2257> 7y
  385. [2018-03-17 17:56:46] <Gamefreak75> y
  386. [2018-03-17 17:56:46] <turb> y
  387. [2018-03-17 17:56:46] <Anton{Politoed}> 4y
  388. [2018-03-17 17:56:47] <Meta_Knight> Y
  389. [2018-03-17 17:56:48] <Lakituthequick> y
  390. [2018-03-17 17:56:56] <Anton{Politoed}> 4gr8
  391. [2018-03-17 17:57:03] <smasher> y
  392. [2018-03-17 17:57:07] <Lord_Bowser> y
  393. [2018-03-17 17:57:18] <smasher> 10-0-0
  394. [2018-03-17 17:57:25] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and as blocky pointed out the implication within this is clearing out 2d/3d levels and the like from dk, wario, and yoshi reps just to remain fair and balanced on level with each of them
  395. [2018-03-17 17:57:38] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so if anyone has an issue with that now's the time to discuss
  396. [2018-03-17 17:58:05] <smasher> i do not
  397. [2018-03-17 17:58:13] <turb> i have no issues yeah
  398. [2018-03-17 17:58:19] <turb> would we be finding replacement mario nominees
  399. [2018-03-17 17:58:23] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it would mean renaming them with Mario in it to be clear on the intention and we'd get to that as we cycle through Mario awards
  400. [2018-03-17 17:58:26] <Anton{Politoed}> 4probably yeah
  401. [2018-03-17 17:58:56] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> Favorite 2D Mario Level?
  402. [2018-03-17 17:58:58] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'd be fine with that
  403. [2018-03-17 17:59:03] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yeah something like that
  404. [2018-03-17 17:59:07] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> and yeah, i imagine we'd bring in some fo the best performing write-ins
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  406. [2018-03-17 17:59:14] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> and having those become new full nominees
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  409. [2018-03-17 17:59:39] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so next step in this process is filling in M5-7 with rep awards
  410. [2018-03-17 18:00:01] <Anton{Politoed}> 4in this meeting all I want to do for time's sake is figure out what those awards are
  411. [2018-03-17 18:00:11] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and once decided I'll make a forum topic to decide on nominees
  412. [2018-03-17 18:00:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4blocky's idea was for them to be all Level this year
  413. [2018-03-17 18:00:36] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so
  414. [2018-03-17 18:00:49] <smasher> back in a bit
  415. [2018-03-17 18:01:00] <Anton{Politoed}> 4M5 Favorite DK Level, M6 Favorite Wario Level, and M7 Favorite Yoshi Level
  416. [2018-03-17 18:01:14] <Gabumon> 3I dont really have a strong opinion on an exact approach as long as all three series are represented in some fashion
  417. [2018-03-17 18:01:39] <turb> pering edo on that
  418. [2018-03-17 18:01:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4the implication is that these would rotate out next year and /not/ be Level awards, unless for some reason we later decide to keep it, but that's next year's problem
  419. [2018-03-17 18:01:41] <Gabumon> 3I guess I could roll a die
  420. [2018-03-17 18:01:42] <Gamefreak75> same
  421. [2018-03-17 18:01:47] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> yeah
  422. [2018-03-17 18:02:07] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> next year we should hopefully have material that allows us to make game and character more interesting
  423. [2018-03-17 18:02:10] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> and then we'd bring those in
  424. [2018-03-17 18:02:16] <Gabumon> 3ok I did it
  425. [2018-03-17 18:02:34] <Gabumon> 3the outcome is all level, all across the board
  426. [2018-03-17 18:02:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4:clap:
  427. [2018-03-17 18:02:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so,
  428. [2018-03-17 18:03:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Set M5 Favorite DK Level, M6 Favorite Wario Level, and M7 Favorite Yoshi Level as the awards in rotation for M5-7 this year? (y/n/a)
  429. [2018-03-17 18:03:23] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  430. [2018-03-17 18:03:26] <Gabumon> 3y
  431. [2018-03-17 18:03:28] <turb> y
  432. [2018-03-17 18:03:30] <Lord_Bowser> y
  433. [2018-03-17 18:03:35] <Lakituthequick> a
  434. [2018-03-17 18:03:35] <NEXandGBX> y
  435. [2018-03-17 18:03:53] <Anton{Politoed}> 4y
  436. [2018-03-17 18:04:06] <Gamefreak75> y
  437. [2018-03-17 18:04:08] <__2257> 7y
  438. [2018-03-17 18:04:14] <Gabumon> 3the dice have spoken very loudly
  439. [2018-03-17 18:04:18] <Stargazing> y
  440. [2018-03-17 18:04:39] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> you know what i realized
  441. [2018-03-17 18:04:40] <Gabumon> 3I rolled a d6 with the condition that an even number means all level, and an odd number means all different categories
  442. [2018-03-17 18:04:45] <Anton{Politoed}> 4how we'll handle this on Historical Results I guess will be turb's and my problem so
  443. [2018-03-17 18:04:47] <Anton{Politoed}> 4pray for us
  444. [2018-03-17 18:04:48] <Gabumon> 3I actually rolled 3 times
  445. [2018-03-17 18:04:53] <Gabumon> 3and I got 6, 6, and 4
  446. [2018-03-17 18:04:55] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> honestly
  447. [2018-03-17 18:05:05] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'd just assume you'd put them as new awards for 5, 6, 7
  448. [2018-03-17 18:05:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4probably yeah
  449. [2018-03-17 18:05:13] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> as if they were removed and replaced, except they can go back to the other one
  450. [2018-03-17 18:05:36] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> anyhow this reminds me of the "compromise" we made with ralph when we were shrinking the awards to 25 after we overthrew him
  451. [2018-03-17 18:05:45] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> except unlike then we actually have a reason to rotate next year
  452. [2018-03-17 18:06:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  453. [2018-03-17 18:07:25] <Anton{Politoed}> 4up next would be getting back to M12 Favorite Supporting Character
  454. [2018-03-17 18:07:41] <Lakituthequick> re: levels btw
  455. [2018-03-17 18:07:41] <Anton{Politoed}> 4with the new consideration now of having reps from DK, Wario, and Yoshi if they're not already there
  456. [2018-03-17 18:07:44] <Anton{Politoed}> 4hi
  457. [2018-03-17 18:08:07] <Lakituthequick> this would affect m25 fav 2d level as well as m26 fav 3d level?
  458. [2018-03-17 18:08:42] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i think only 2d level
  459. [2018-03-17 18:08:44] <NEXandGBX> unless there are any dk64 levels in favorite 3d, no
  460. [2018-03-17 18:08:45] <Gabumon> 3if we're cutting spinoff series levels from the level awards, we should also cut spinoff characters from the character awards
  461. [2018-03-17 18:08:47] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> since 3d - yeah
  462. [2018-03-17 18:08:51] <NEXandGBX> or wario world
  463. [2018-03-17 18:09:15] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> are they in there to begin wth?
  464. [2018-03-17 18:09:28] <Gabumon> 3whats the fav minor character nominee list
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  466. [2018-03-17 18:09:37] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'm unsure if that affects any of the current nominees edo
  467. [2018-03-17 18:09:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Favorite Supporting Character (Princess Daisy, Waluigi, Toadsworth, Diddy Kong, Professor E. Gadd, Toadette, Captain Toad, Birdo, Kamek, Poochy, Pauline, Cappy)
  468. [2018-03-17 18:09:48] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Kamek and Poochy would be the most at-risk but
  469. [2018-03-17 18:09:53] <Anton{Politoed}> 4they're both in Mario games
  470. [2018-03-17 18:10:03] <Anton{Politoed}> 4diddy kong maybe
  471. [2018-03-17 18:10:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4i forgot he was there lol
  472. [2018-03-17 18:10:22] <turb> the most mario stuff diddy is in is uhhhh
  473. [2018-03-17 18:10:25] <turb> mario kart i guess
  474. [2018-03-17 18:10:42] <Gamefreak75> mario party too
  475. [2018-03-17 18:10:43] <Lakituthequick> and mario party ds
  476. [2018-03-17 18:10:53] <Lakituthequick> as board host
  477. [2018-03-17 18:11:02] <Gabumon> 3I guess leave him there then
  478. [2018-03-17 18:11:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so I guess as a concept edo I agree with you but it just happens to not do anything right now lol
  479. [2018-03-17 18:11:15] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but for future nominees it absolutely does matter
  480. [2018-03-17 18:11:22] <Meta_Knight> I agree
  481. [2018-03-17 18:11:29] <Gabumon> 3ok
  482. [2018-03-17 18:11:41] <Meta_Knight> These nominees all feel substantial enough in mario games
  483. [2018-03-17 18:11:52] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> per
  484. [2018-03-17 18:11:58] <Meta_Knight> Like Waluigi and daisy are in a lot of spinoffs but so is diddy
  485. [2018-03-17 18:12:00] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> although just to check
  486. [2018-03-17 18:12:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Poochy I'm _ about how important he is but I'm not like
  487. [2018-03-17 18:12:13] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> what's poochy's thing? diddy has a lot of the spinoffs (kart, golf, etc)
  488. [2018-03-17 18:12:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ready to do anything about that lol
  489. [2018-03-17 18:12:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Odyssey
  490. [2018-03-17 18:12:22] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> and kamek has PiT offhand
  491. [2018-03-17 18:12:23] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> ok
  492. [2018-03-17 18:12:38] <Meta_Knight> I'd say Odyssey makes poochy safe
  493. [2018-03-17 18:12:41] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> but yeah, i'm fine with like
  494. [2018-03-17 18:12:50] <Meta_Knight> Even if it's just cameos its recent
  495. [2018-03-17 18:12:52] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> not adding wario, dk, or yoshi-exclusive characters here
  496. [2018-03-17 18:12:55] <Gabumon> 3yeah, he helps you by photobombing hint art
  497. [2018-03-17 18:12:59] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> they'll get their own chance in future years anyway
  498. [2018-03-17 18:13:26] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so if that's that on that, M12 is ready to be closed
  499. [2018-03-17 18:13:31] <Anton{Politoed}> 4unless anyone else has anything to add
  500. [2018-03-17 18:13:38] <turb> a lot of poochy's importance is in full spinoffs from mario but odyssey does make him safe imo
  501. [2018-03-17 18:13:40] <turb> and i dont
  502. [2018-03-17 18:13:46] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i don't
  503. [2018-03-17 18:13:50] <Gamefreak75> no
  504. [2018-03-17 18:14:13] <Anton{Politoed}> 4add: Hint Toad
  505. [2018-03-17 18:14:35] <Anton{Politoed}> 4you know that bitch took 50 of my coins to tell me about a moon that I could physically see in the current screen while talking to him
  506. [2018-03-17 18:14:43] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> can we add Mercedes-Benz Toad
  507. [2018-03-17 18:15:34] <turb> lol anton
  508. [2018-03-17 18:15:35] <Gabumon> 3are those serious suggestions
  509. [2018-03-17 18:15:38] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so I think that's it for my list of other nonsense to figure out at the time being and we can commence regular mario awarding
  510. [2018-03-17 18:15:51] <turb> add uncle amiibo next year
  511. [2018-03-17 18:15:52] <Anton{Politoed}> 4god no
  512. [2018-03-17 18:16:01] <Gabumon> 3uh
  513. [2018-03-17 18:16:14] <Gabumon> 3did we talk about the three open award spots
  514. [2018-03-17 18:16:20] <Lakituthequick> I'd dare say Mercedes-Benz Toad is safe to say is not serious
  515. [2018-03-17 18:16:30] <Gamefreak75> uncle amiibo for smash 5
  516. [2018-03-17 18:16:37] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i think those are coming later
  517. [2018-03-17 18:16:44] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> ...although
  518. [2018-03-17 18:16:47] <Anton{Politoed}> 4not on what they're decided to be, no, I'm not sure if that's fully ready but
  519. [2018-03-17 18:16:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that reminds me I did forget this
  520. [2018-03-17 18:17:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39682.20
  521. [2018-03-17 18:17:13] <Anton{Politoed}> 4this currently has enough votes to consider set
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  523. [2018-03-17 18:17:22] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so if anyone still needs to vote they should do that
  524. [2018-03-17 18:17:27] <Freakworld> i vote n to everything
  525. [2018-03-17 18:17:27] <Stargazing> i didn't vote because i don't have odyssey
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  527. [2018-03-17 18:17:37] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> same as star
  528. [2018-03-17 18:17:37] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Favorite Capture isn't an officially agreed upon award yet so _
  529. [2018-03-17 18:17:38] <Stargazing> i forgot to like
  530. [2018-03-17 18:17:42] <Stargazing> publically say that
  531. [2018-03-17 18:17:45] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but we can do that
  532. [2018-03-17 18:18:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39719.msg1996360#msg1996360
  533. [2018-03-17 18:18:21] <Meta_Knight> I think it's a good award
  534. [2018-03-17 18:18:22] <Lord_Bowser> star control your boyfriend
  535. [2018-03-17 18:18:36] <Stargazing> i just yelled at him for doing it LOL
  536. [2018-03-17 18:18:40] <Meta_Knight> Its basically favorite power up but feels unique
  537. [2018-03-17 18:18:52] <Anton{Politoed}> 4favorite song seems to have picked up steam lately
  538. [2018-03-17 18:19:04] <Gabumon> 3I think favorite song is a solid concept
  539. [2018-03-17 18:19:06] <turb> I like favorite capture fwiw
  540. [2018-03-17 18:19:10] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i like favorite song
  541. [2018-03-17 18:19:14] <Lord_Bowser> im good on fav song and fav capture
  542. [2018-03-17 18:19:16] <Stargazing> i like favourite song as well
  543. [2018-03-17 18:19:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I didn't prepare Favorite Capture to be discussed re: nominees for this meeting but I guess what we could do is vote on if we want these awards at all
  544. [2018-03-17 18:19:17] <turb> if that doesn't get in i'm gonna be slightly salty
  545. [2018-03-17 18:19:20] <turb> favorite song is ok
  546. [2018-03-17 18:19:22] <Lord_Bowser> fav costume im kinda _ on
  547. [2018-03-17 18:19:22] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so
  548. [2018-03-17 18:19:24] <turb> we have enough for it
  549. [2018-03-17 18:19:32] <Gabumon> 3wait
  550. [2018-03-17 18:19:47] <turb> i think favorite costume's problem isn't that it's a bad award but rather we'd need to do something about mix and match writeins
  551. [2018-03-17 18:19:48] <Gabumon> 3I would like to uh
  552. [2018-03-17 18:19:58] <Gabumon> 3make a case I guess
  553. [2018-03-17 18:20:01] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok
  554. [2018-03-17 18:20:02] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i feel like these awards should be like
  555. [2018-03-17 18:20:07] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> individually added rather than in a block
  556. [2018-03-17 18:20:14] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> unless that's what you mean in which case ignore me anton
  557. [2018-03-17 18:20:27] <Anton{Politoed}> 4i was gonna do individual yeah
  558. [2018-03-17 18:20:36] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> cool
  559. [2018-03-17 18:21:09] <Gabumon> 3like, I know that there are concerns that if we're going to do odyssey awards this year, they're not going to be relevant anymore next year
  560. [2018-03-17 18:21:27] <Gabumon> 3but like, I think they don't really have to be
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  562. [2018-03-17 18:22:06] <Gabumon> 3the thing I am thinking is, odyssey was probably the most important release for this series in years
  563. [2018-03-17 18:22:14] <Meta_Knight> Costume fee
  564. [2018-03-17 18:22:15] <NEXandGBX> even if odyssey stops getting updates next year, people could still look back on it
  565. [2018-03-17 18:22:26] <Meta_Knight> *feels like it's too massive to contain to 15 nominees
  566. [2018-03-17 18:22:34] <turb> yeah per edo
  567. [2018-03-17 18:22:36] <Gabumon> 3and right now, we are within the perfect time frame to celebrate this
  568. [2018-03-17 18:22:38] <Meta_Knight> Theres so many combinations that can't be accounted for
  569. [2018-03-17 18:22:39] <turb> I actually wanted to say something like that myself
  570. [2018-03-17 18:22:45] <Lord_Bowser> per edo
  571. [2018-03-17 18:22:46] <turb> that odyssey actually could be a long-lasting thing
  572. [2018-03-17 18:22:53] <turb> the thing is, its on a far different scale than SMM is
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  576. [2018-03-17 18:22:56] <Gabumon> 3next year it will be a different story, but this year it is perfect
  577. [2018-03-17 18:22:57] <turb> it breathed new life into the series
  578. [2018-03-17 18:22:58] <Meta_Knight> I agree with edo too
  579. [2018-03-17 18:22:59] <turb> yeah
  580. [2018-03-17 18:23:00] <Gabumon> 3so like
  581. [2018-03-17 18:23:05] <turb> at least this year we need to have them
  582. [2018-03-17 18:23:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4when's odyssey 2: peach throws mario into the volcano and goes on her own adventure
  583. [2018-03-17 18:23:16] <turb> even if next year we go "well maybe we should overhaul these"
  584. [2018-03-17 18:23:24] <Lord_Bowser> does she go to coconut mall with bowser
  585. [2018-03-17 18:23:27] <Gabumon> 3I would very much like to see us have the two odyssey awards that are currently under consideration
  586. [2018-03-17 18:23:35] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I agree
  587. [2018-03-17 18:23:37] <turb> agreed
  588. [2018-03-17 18:23:40] <Lord_Bowser> agree
  589. [2018-03-17 18:23:42] <Lakituthequick> per
  590. [2018-03-17 18:23:55] <Gabumon> 3and use any strong contenders we can come up with to replace them once they are no longer relevant
  591. [2018-03-17 18:23:57] <Anton{Politoed}> 4this is a thing I meant within the "makes everyone happy" earlier when discussing the M5-7 thing
  592. [2018-03-17 18:24:01] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'm down
  593. [2018-03-17 18:24:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that rotation idea absorbed several of the ideas that were in contention with odyssey ideas
  594. [2018-03-17 18:24:13] <Lakituthequick> hi down
  595. [2018-03-17 18:24:25] * Lakituthequick get tomato in the face
  596. [2018-03-17 18:24:29] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> hi dad
  597. [2018-03-17 18:24:29] <Gabumon> 3so like, I guess my vote would be, add fav song, add fav capture, and add fav costume
  598. [2018-03-17 18:24:31] * Lord_Bowser places ltq in the shame corner
  599. [2018-03-17 18:24:49] <Lord_Bowser> i really dont know about favorite costume tbh
  600. [2018-03-17 18:24:53] <Gabumon> 3and then next year we can replace the odyssey ones with fav minigame and something else
  601. [2018-03-17 18:25:05] <Lord_Bowser> theres just too many options
  602. [2018-03-17 18:25:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Favorite Costume will be tricky but it's a unique feature that we could explore
  603. [2018-03-17 18:25:16] <Baby_Luigi> Favorite costume combination?
  604. [2018-03-17 18:25:18] <Lord_Bowser> most sets arent officially named
  605. [2018-03-17 18:25:30] <Lord_Bowser> and some are standalone, liek the boxers
  606. [2018-03-17 18:25:36] <Meta_Knight> Split it into favorite hat and favorite suit
  607. [2018-03-17 18:25:36] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it's not something we haven't tried to accomplish before
  608. [2018-03-17 18:25:44] <Lakituthequick> I'd say stuff like "Pirate outfit" is self-explaining to be the suit and the hat
  609. [2018-03-17 18:25:45] <turb> we can probably come up with recognizable names for all the sets
  610. [2018-03-17 18:25:47] <GBAToad> im here but im too far behind to contribute
  611. [2018-03-17 18:25:50] <Anton{Politoed}> 4we definitely have time to work out the kinks in it or suggest a new idea
  612. [2018-03-17 18:25:53] <GBAToad> whats the current discussion
  613. [2018-03-17 18:25:57] <turb> i dont really feel comfortable with having it be two awards
  614. [2018-03-17 18:26:00] <Lord_Bowser> gba: favorite costume
  615. [2018-03-17 18:26:00] <Baby_Luigi> Odyssey themed polls
  616. [2018-03-17 18:26:04] <Lord_Bowser> and yeah per turb
  617. [2018-03-17 18:26:10] <GBAToad> per turb
  618. [2018-03-17 18:26:12] <Gabumon> 3one is enough
  619. [2018-03-17 18:26:13] <Anton{Politoed}> 4we're discussing which awards to fill in the 3 empty slots we have
  620. [2018-03-17 18:26:18] <Gabumon> 3as in one costume award
  621. [2018-03-17 18:26:26] <Baby_Luigi> When we say "Trunks Mario", people will know we mean boxer + topless Mario
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  623. [2018-03-17 18:26:38] <Anton{Politoed}> 4favorite song and favorite capture seem pretty locked in but we're discussing costume and alternatives
  624. [2018-03-17 18:26:39] <Gabumon> 3I think its doable
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  627. [2018-03-17 18:26:53] <Baby_Luigi> Don't most costumes have accompanying combos anyway?
  628. [2018-03-17 18:26:54] <turb> i agree it can be done yeah
  629. [2018-03-17 18:27:02] <Lord_Bowser> the thing is blof: what hat goes with that
  630. [2018-03-17 18:27:09] <turb> like every time i bring up "b-but the writeins" don't take it as "let's not do this guys"
  631. [2018-03-17 18:27:18] <Baby_Luigi> Hatless....maybe
  632. [2018-03-17 18:27:21] <turb> we can work it out
  633. [2018-03-17 18:27:23] <Baby_Luigi> Whatever used in promotional material
  634. [2018-03-17 18:27:43] <GBAToad> we're cutting spinoffs entirely?
  635. [2018-03-17 18:27:58] <Baby_Luigi> Which spin-offs?
  636. [2018-03-17 18:28:00] <Anton{Politoed}> 4unironically since costume isn't working with official sets I want to see if we can cram in peach's wonderful fashion
  637. [2018-03-17 18:28:01] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and yes gba
  638. [2018-03-17 18:28:08] <GBAToad> warioware dk yoshi etc
  639. [2018-03-17 18:28:14] <Anton{Politoed}> 4or wait maybe you mean something else
  640. [2018-03-17 18:28:20] <turb> we're cutting spinoffs from level awards
  641. [2018-03-17 18:28:29] <Uniju> just make favourite peach outfit instead of mario outfit
  642. [2018-03-17 18:28:29] <turb> so that way it's not imbalanced when we have favorite wario/dk/yoshi level this year
  643. [2018-03-17 18:28:37] <GBAToad> ok cool
  644. [2018-03-17 18:28:49] <GBAToad> microgames arent getting representation are they
  645. [2018-03-17 18:28:56] <NEXandGBX> the only costume i can think of that doesn't have a set is the captain's hat
  646. [2018-03-17 18:28:58] <Baby_Luigi> Probably not
  647. [2018-03-17 18:29:01] <GBAToad> also yeah im ok with the current odyssey awards
  648. [2018-03-17 18:29:07] <NEXandGBX> the standalone clothes go with mario's cap i think
  649. [2018-03-17 18:29:10] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> w/ regards to microgames
  650. [2018-03-17 18:29:11] <Baby_Luigi> I don't think microgames are good awards material
  651. [2018-03-17 18:29:16] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i'm pretty much gonna side with blof on this one
  652. [2018-03-17 18:29:23] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i think it was blof?
  653. [2018-03-17 18:29:28] <turb> microgames I think would be good next year
  654. [2018-03-17 18:29:31] <turb> if we need a replacement
  655. [2018-03-17 18:29:38] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> ok it was edo AND blof
  656. [2018-03-17 18:29:38] <turb> because warioware gold will be out for a year by then
  657. [2018-03-17 18:29:40] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> but still
  658. [2018-03-17 18:29:40] <GBAToad> i dont mind im just trying to catch up
  659. [2018-03-17 18:29:41] <Baby_Luigi> Yeah I'm blof
  660. [2018-03-17 18:29:46] <Gabumon> 3I have an idea regarding warioware
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  663. [2018-03-17 18:30:14] <Gabumon> 3I dont know how to implement it exactly, but I guess I can just throw it out and see if anyone has ideas
  664. [2018-03-17 18:30:20] <Gabumon> 3so like
  665. [2018-03-17 18:30:37] <Gabumon> 3microgames arent very good award material, but
  666. [2018-03-17 18:30:45] <Gabumon> 3what I think would be decent material is
  667. [2018-03-17 18:31:02] <Gabumon> 3the little scenarios that string them together
  668. [2018-03-17 18:31:06] <Baby_Luigi> The stories?
  669. [2018-03-17 18:31:09] <Gabumon> 3yeah
  670. [2018-03-17 18:31:18] <Baby_Luigi> How can we name them?
  671. [2018-03-17 18:31:20] <GBAToad> it would be interesting but
  672. [2018-03-17 18:31:25] <Gabumon> 3dont some of them have names?
  673. [2018-03-17 18:31:27] <Baby_Luigi> And they differ from game to game
  674. [2018-03-17 18:31:41] <turb> what do you mean
  675. [2018-03-17 18:31:43] <Baby_Luigi> Not that I know of
  676. [2018-03-17 18:31:47] <turb> the microgame groupings that the characters have?
  677. [2018-03-17 18:31:55] <Gabumon> 3what I mean is
  678. [2018-03-17 18:32:07] <GBAToad> i feel that would boil down to favourite warioware character at points
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  680. [2018-03-17 18:32:16] <Gabumon> 3theres usually some sort of mini narrative that serves as a backdrop to the microgame sequences
  681. [2018-03-17 18:32:16] <GBAToad> which is fine since we can rework that
  682. [2018-03-17 18:32:17] <turb> oh i might know what you mean but idk if its the same thing
  683. [2018-03-17 18:32:17] <turb> yeah
  684. [2018-03-17 18:32:20] <turb> the mini-narrative
  685. [2018-03-17 18:32:27] <GBAToad> yeah like ashleys story in touched
  686. [2018-03-17 18:32:30] <turb> and then the success/failure based on how well you do in the microgames
  687. [2018-03-17 18:32:30] <Baby_Luigi> Yeah I know that but from what I remember, they don't have names, at least in Touched
  688. [2018-03-17 18:32:42] <GBAToad> dribble and spits on tomorrow hill
  689. [2018-03-17 18:32:43] <GBAToad> etc
  690. [2018-03-17 18:32:46] <Gabumon> 3theyre mostly character specific
  691. [2018-03-17 18:32:51] <GBAToad> jimmy ts aerobics
  692. [2018-03-17 18:32:55] <GBAToad> jimmy t with cats
  693. [2018-03-17 18:32:58] <Gabumon> 3so we could probably tie this into favorite wario character somehow
  694. [2018-03-17 18:33:03] <GBAToad> yeah thats how id do it
  695. [2018-03-17 18:33:10] <GBAToad> it wouldnt change much but it would flesh it out a lot
  696. [2018-03-17 18:33:11] <Gabumon> 3maybe even replace it
  697. [2018-03-17 18:33:17] <Baby_Luigi> There's a lot of scenarios though
  698. [2018-03-17 18:33:32] <Stargazing> i'm not sure i'm on board with this
  699. [2018-03-17 18:33:36] <Baby_Luigi> And how will we name it. 9-Volt's Story (WWT)?
  700. [2018-03-17 18:33:43] <Gabumon> 3we would have to pick what we think to be the best ones
  701. [2018-03-17 18:33:57] <GBAToad> i wouldnt want to add this this year
  702. [2018-03-17 18:34:00] <GBAToad> next year for sure
  703. [2018-03-17 18:34:04] <Baby_Luigi> I know my favorite Touched one is Mona Pizza's
  704. [2018-03-17 18:34:06] <GBAToad> since warioware gold will be out
  705. [2018-03-17 18:34:16] <GBAToad> but yeah
  706. [2018-03-17 18:34:32] <GBAToad> just wanted to weigh in on that topoc
  707. [2018-03-17 18:34:34] <GBAToad> topic
  708. [2018-03-17 18:35:09] <Baby_Luigi> Favorite WarioWare gimmick...has this been discussed before?
  709. [2018-03-17 18:35:19] <GBAToad> no regarding the spinoff awards
  710. [2018-03-17 18:35:32] <Lord_Bowser> smasher says she's out for the night
  711. [2018-03-17 18:35:35] <Lord_Bowser> mibbit broke
  712. [2018-03-17 18:35:48] <GBAToad> oh wait you mean like
  713. [2018-03-17 18:35:53] <GBAToad> sliding tapping blowing etc
  714. [2018-03-17 18:36:03] <GBAToad> i dont know if i could support thay
  715. [2018-03-17 18:36:03] <Baby_Luigi> And those motion controls from Smooth Moves
  716. [2018-03-17 18:36:24] <GBAToad> unironic asmr from those form baton descriptions
  717. [2018-03-17 18:36:25] <GBAToad> but
  718. [2018-03-17 18:36:27] <Anton{Politoed}> 4since we've only got 25 minutes left I think this exact topic is pretty much a done deal until next year at this point?
  719. [2018-03-17 18:36:27] <Baby_Luigi> Maybe favorite hardware gimmick like gyro controls, touch screen, motion control...
  720. [2018-03-17 18:36:29] <GBAToad> there isnt much depth there
  721. [2018-03-17 18:36:38] <GBAToad> and yeah back on topic
  722. [2018-03-17 18:36:40] <Gabumon> 3ok
  723. [2018-03-17 18:36:44] <GBAToad> for this year
  724. [2018-03-17 18:36:52] <turb> sorry
  725. [2018-03-17 18:36:55] <Lakituthequick>  maybe get back to adding those three awards yeah
  726. [2018-03-17 18:37:00] <turb> had to get up for something
  727. [2018-03-17 18:37:01] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so as a quick vote
  728. [2018-03-17 18:37:05] <turb> back now
  729. [2018-03-17 18:37:07] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Add "Favorite Capture" as the new M23? (y/n/a)
  730. [2018-03-17 18:37:10] <GBAToad> y
  731. [2018-03-17 18:37:11] <Baby_Luigi> y
  732. [2018-03-17 18:37:13] <Lord_Bowser> y
  733. [2018-03-17 18:37:13] <Gabumon> 3y
  734. [2018-03-17 18:37:15] <Lakituthequick> y
  735. [2018-03-17 18:37:15] <NEXandGBX> y
  736. [2018-03-17 18:37:17] <turb> y
  737. [2018-03-17 18:37:21] <Gamefreak75> y
  738. [2018-03-17 18:37:28] <Anton{Politoed}> 4nominees tbd once I parse the poll results
  739. [2018-03-17 18:37:40] <GBAToad> everyone voted for pokio rigjt
  740. [2018-03-17 18:37:41] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  741. [2018-03-17 18:37:56] <Lakituthequick> 22 made a poll results sorter once
  742. [2018-03-17 18:37:57] <Baby_Luigi> I'll make sure to vote for Sherm
  743. [2018-03-17 18:38:05] <turb> i voted pokio!!
  744. [2018-03-17 18:38:05] <Gabumon> 3pokio is a pretty solid entry, yes
  745. [2018-03-17 18:38:06] <GBAToad> and uproot
  746. [2018-03-17 18:38:07] <turb> pokio is so cute
  747. [2018-03-17 18:38:09] <GBAToad> stretchy boy
  748. [2018-03-17 18:38:14] <turb> uproot too
  749. [2018-03-17 18:38:16] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Add "Favorite Song" as the new M10? (y/n/a)
  750. [2018-03-17 18:38:18] <__2257> 7uhhh yeah
  751. [2018-03-17 18:38:18] <turb> y
  752. [2018-03-17 18:38:18] <GBAToad> y
  753. [2018-03-17 18:38:18] <Baby_Luigi> LGM drew some very nice fanart of Pokio
  754. [2018-03-17 18:38:19] <Gabumon> 3y
  755. [2018-03-17 18:38:20] <Baby_Luigi> y
  756. [2018-03-17 18:38:21] <Anton{Politoed}> 4nominees tbd
  757. [2018-03-17 18:38:21] <__2257> 7its still around
  758. [2018-03-17 18:38:22] <Lakituthequick> y
  759. [2018-03-17 18:38:26] <Gamefreak75> wow im the only one who voted coin coffer lol
  760. [2018-03-17 18:38:27] <NEXandGBX> uproot / sherm / gushen / pokio seem like obvious inclusions
  761. [2018-03-17 18:38:33] <__2257> 7hold on
  762. [2018-03-17 18:38:34] <Baby_Luigi> TAXI
  763. [2018-03-17 18:38:36] <Lakituthequick> i have it installed in my browser actually
  764. [2018-03-17 18:38:38] <turb> i think i was the only person who voted broode's chain chomp
  765. [2018-03-17 18:38:50] <Gamefreak75> a
  766. [2018-03-17 18:38:52] <Baby_Luigi> Bowser and Yoshi would be obvious inclusions
  767. [2018-03-17 18:38:57] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> y
  768. [2018-03-17 18:39:01] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> not gonna lie
  769. [2018-03-17 18:39:04] <GBAToad> its ok we'll nail out nominees later
  770. [2018-03-17 18:39:10] <GBAToad> from the poll results
  771. [2018-03-17 18:39:13] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i unironically would support adding a couple dkc cartoon songs to the song award
  772. [2018-03-17 18:39:16] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> if anyone else wants
  773. [2018-03-17 18:39:24] <Baby_Luigi> Do the one that rips of Daft Punk lol
  774. [2018-03-17 18:39:30] <Gamefreak75> same
  775. [2018-03-17 18:39:32] <Baby_Luigi> Also, DK's voice actor is a great singer
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  777. [2018-03-17 18:39:42] <Anton{Politoed}> 4gr8 so those are two new ones we're going with
  778. [2018-03-17 18:39:43] <Baby_Luigi> He deserves some more regonition
  779. [2018-03-17 18:39:52] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> his reflection tells the story of a pirate's life of glory
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  781. [2018-03-17 18:40:16] <NEXandGBX> my problem with bowser and yoshi is that it 1.) might spoil things for people who have yet to play odyssey and 2.) might also come off as another "favorite character" situation
  782. [2018-03-17 18:40:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4iiiiiiiiii'm not gonna try to set Costume as the official one exactly yet, I'd like to see some nominees for it, but that can be further discussed in the Incubator topic
  783. [2018-03-17 18:40:29] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but we can definitely unofficial decide that we're gonna try to focus it as an Odyssey rep
  784. [2018-03-17 18:40:31] -->| smasher (uid286289@smashers.hostname) has joined #mwikiawards
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  786. [2018-03-17 18:40:32] <Anton{Politoed}> 4M24 that is
  787. [2018-03-17 18:40:35] <Baby_Luigi> MarioWiki isn't really spoiler friendly to begin with tbh
  788. [2018-03-17 18:40:47] <Lord_Bowser> ohi smasher
  789. [2018-03-17 18:40:54] <smasher> im alive
  790. [2018-03-17 18:40:56] <turb> i think we should ignore spoilers entirely with regards to awards honestly
  791. [2018-03-17 18:41:01] <GBAToad> yeah
  792. [2018-03-17 18:41:02] <Lord_Bowser> yeah tbh
  793. [2018-03-17 18:41:04] <turb> we don't have the spoiler tag thing on our pages anymore
  794. [2018-03-17 18:41:05] <GBAToad> we dont do it with anything else
  795. [2018-03-17 18:41:07] <Baby_Luigi> MarioWiki ignores it entirely it's part of the main page
  796. [2018-03-17 18:41:09] <turb> we got rid of it like uhhhhh years ago
  797. [2018-03-17 18:41:23] <smasher> credit to lb for heping me set up irccloud
  798. [2018-03-17 18:41:25] <__2257> 7oh, then you should post the results
  799. [2018-03-17 18:41:29] <smasher> a good friend
  800. [2018-03-17 18:41:30] <Lakituthequick> Results of favorite capture would be this according to the tallier
  801. [2018-03-17 18:41:32] <Lakituthequick> 1. Pokio 2. Tropical Wiggler 3. Bowser 4. Gushen 4. T-Rex 4. Chargin' Chuck 4. Glydon 4. Sherm 4. Uproot 10. Goomba 10. Frog 12. Yoshi 12. Lakitu 12. Parabones 15. Hammer Bro 15. Lava Bubble
  802. [2018-03-17 18:41:33] <Baby_Luigi> Generally, if people want to avoid spoilers, they should avoid going to gaming sites these days
  803. [2018-03-17 18:41:33] <Anton{Politoed}> 4the award title is at the top so if someone doesn't want to read the nominees they don't have to
  804. [2018-03-17 18:41:34] <__2257> 7firefox 57 or whatever broke it
  805. [2018-03-17 18:41:51] <Anton{Politoed}> 4are there any ties at the end that would push it beyond 15
  806. [2018-03-17 18:41:54] <GBAToad> id be ok with those nominees honestly
  807. [2018-03-17 18:42:03] <turb> good nominees
  808. [2018-03-17 18:42:07] <Gabumon> 3let me check
  809. [2018-03-17 18:42:09] <Baby_Luigi> Parabones/Paragoomba
  810. [2018-03-17 18:42:12] <NEXandGBX> seems alright
  811. [2018-03-17 18:42:13] <smasher> i can partcipate now and
  812. [2018-03-17 18:42:23] <smasher> that is a good list
  813. [2018-03-17 18:42:33] <Baby_Luigi> Make sure you group the parabones and paragoomba together
  814. [2018-03-17 18:42:35] <smasher> did i miss anything else important
  815. [2018-03-17 18:42:41] <Gamefreak75> no puzzle piece smh
  816. [2018-03-17 18:42:48] <Anton{Politoed}> 4if we group some together how will they be worded
  817. [2018-03-17 18:42:59] <GBAToad> parabones/paragoomba
  818. [2018-03-17 18:43:04] <Baby_Luigi> Paragoomba/Parabones
  819. [2018-03-17 18:43:10] <Anton{Politoed}> 4also did parabones have as much flight flexibility as paragoomba
  820. [2018-03-17 18:43:15] <GBAToad> too much ambiguity otherwise if you do paragoomba/bones
  821. [2018-03-17 18:43:15] <Gabumon> 3yeah, I'm ok with this list
  822. [2018-03-17 18:43:34] <turb> someone who remembers the parabones flight will have to comment on that yeah
  823. [2018-03-17 18:43:41] <turb> because i don't
  824. [2018-03-17 18:43:42] <Lakituthequick> Anton{Politoed}  are there any ties at the end that would push it beyond 15
  825. [2018-03-17 18:43:48] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it was only in one part and was not very high
  826. [2018-03-17 18:44:01] <__2257> 7i think the mechanics are the same
  827. [2018-03-17 18:44:02] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but it could just be a restriction as particular paragoombas also had that
  828. [2018-03-17 18:44:04] <Lakituthequick> this are 16 nominees, two tied for 15
  829. [2018-03-17 18:44:10] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and ok
  830. [2018-03-17 18:44:23] <GBAToad> our hard max is uh
  831. [2018-03-17 18:44:24] <GBAToad> 18
  832. [2018-03-17 18:44:27] <__2257> 7the height is controlled by the highest platform you ever stood on
  833. [2018-03-17 18:44:28] <GBAToad> right
  834. [2018-03-17 18:44:29] <Baby_Luigi> According to the MarioWiki article, I don't think there's a huge diffrent
  835. [2018-03-17 18:44:30] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'll consider this as our official set and later on I'll slap on all of the groupings
  836. [2018-03-17 18:44:30] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yes
  837. [2018-03-17 18:44:36] <Baby_Luigi> Okay then
  838. [2018-03-17 18:44:41] <GBAToad> then add in the final two for 16
  839. [2018-03-17 18:44:48] <GBAToad> and we're good
  840. [2018-03-17 18:44:53] <smasher> i dont think theres any major difference between the paras
  841. [2018-03-17 18:44:55] <GBAToad> as in the ones tied for 15th
  842. [2018-03-17 18:45:00] <__2257> 7afaik the only difference between the two is that you can kill goompas
  843. [2018-03-17 18:45:14] <Baby_Luigi> Goompas?
  844. [2018-03-17 18:45:20] <Gabumon> 3thats murder
  845. [2018-03-17 18:45:41] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok anything else before going to M13?
  846. [2018-03-17 18:45:43] <Baby_Luigi> Can't you kill Dry Bones by leaving it while it's over a pit?
  847. [2018-03-17 18:45:56] <__2257> 7well yes but by jumping
  848. [2018-03-17 18:46:14] <turb> nothing i can think of
  849. [2018-03-17 18:46:22] <Gabumon> 3we should add the mona pizza song to favorite song
  850. [2018-03-17 18:46:30] <Uniju> i agree
  851. [2018-03-17 18:46:32] <turb> i agree
  852. [2018-03-17 18:46:40] <smasher> i agree
  853. [2018-03-17 18:46:40] <Lakituthequick> every enemy respawns at some point so "killing" doesn't really apply
  854. [2018-03-17 18:46:43] <Lord_Bowser> i agree
  855. [2018-03-17 18:46:44] <turb> you know
  856. [2018-03-17 18:46:44] <Lakituthequick> also yes
  857. [2018-03-17 18:46:47] <turb> that reminds me
  858. [2018-03-17 18:46:50] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so let's move onto M13
  859. [2018-03-17 18:46:50] <Baby_Luigi> Yes
  860. [2018-03-17 18:46:55] <Baby_Luigi> Mona Pizza is awesome
  861. [2018-03-17 18:46:58] <turb> should we make it Favorite Lyrical Song or Favorite Song With Lyrics or something
  862. [2018-03-17 18:47:03] <__2257> 7ok but what im saying is
  863. [2018-03-17 18:47:03] <turb> just so people don't vote in other shit
  864. [2018-03-17 18:47:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4M13 Favorite Level Theme (Grassland, Desert, Snow/Ice, Mountain, Underground, Beach, Sky, Jungle, Space, Fire, Ghost House, Underwater, Castle, Airship, Factory/Industrial, Carnival, City/Town)
  865. [2018-03-17 18:47:05] <Baby_Luigi> Just Favorite Song
  866. [2018-03-17 18:47:08] <__2257> 7if you jump on a paragoomba
  867. [2018-03-17 18:47:16] <__2257> 7it gets flat and has to respawn
  868. [2018-03-17 18:47:19] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> Favorite Lyrica Song and make them all piano covers :)
  869. [2018-03-17 18:47:25] <turb> are there any new substantial level themes in odyssey
  870. [2018-03-17 18:47:25] <__2257> 7but if you jump on dry bones it just gets knocked out for a while
  871. [2018-03-17 18:47:28] <turb> besides luncheon but ew
  872. [2018-03-17 18:47:29] <Anton{Politoed}> 4this award is just for theme, there's another award for particular level stages and all that
  873. [2018-03-17 18:47:46] <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's the moon but "space"
  874. [2018-03-17 18:47:47] <Gabumon> 3anton is gonna beat me for this, but maybe "food-themed"
  875. [2018-03-17 18:47:49] <Baby_Luigi> Metro
  876. [2018-03-17 18:47:49] <turb> ruined kingdom was a fucking great level theme but then it barely existed
  877. [2018-03-17 18:47:52] <turb> LEGITIMATELY pissed
  878. [2018-03-17 18:47:57] <__2257> 7food isnt a new theme
  879. [2018-03-17 18:47:58] <Lakituthequick> how would you describe luncheon anyway
  880. [2018-03-17 18:47:59] <turb> city/town could cover new donk
  881. [2018-03-17 18:48:00] <__2257> 7it was in galaxy
  882. [2018-03-17 18:48:01] <Baby_Luigi> They just made it a boss arena instead
  883. [2018-03-17 18:48:10] <Anton{Politoed}> 4odyssey is a bad game because ruined kingdom was fucking nothing
  884. [2018-03-17 18:48:15] <__2257> 7not that that means we cant add it though
  885. [2018-03-17 18:48:17] <Lakituthequick> add "Unforgettable" as a new theme
  886. [2018-03-17 18:48:21] <Baby_Luigi> They shouldn't even gave that kingdom a name
  887. [2018-03-17 18:48:23] <Gabumon> 3I would have loved a full sized ruined kingdom
  888. [2018-03-17 18:48:28] <smasher> me too
  889. [2018-03-17 18:48:30] <Gabumon> 3lets add it to missed opportunities
  890. [2018-03-17 18:48:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4good idea
  891. [2018-03-17 18:48:34] <Baby_Luigi> It's like being disappointed by Jungle Falls Galaxy being a goddamn minigame in Galaxy 2
  892. [2018-03-17 18:48:52] <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's 17 nominees in this already
  893. [2018-03-17 18:49:01] <Anton{Politoed}> 4we could make it 18 with Food if people really want it
  894. [2018-03-17 18:49:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4also if there needs to be a renaming into Space/Moon if that clarification is necessary
  895. [2018-03-17 18:49:23] <Lakituthequick> how many food themed levels are there even
  896. [2018-03-17 18:49:25] <NEXandGBX> well i'll see what the write-ins say
  897. [2018-03-17 18:49:26] <smasher> were there any notable writeins
  898. [2018-03-17 18:49:32] <Lakituthequick> if luncheon is the only one then nah
  899. [2018-03-17 18:49:34] <smasher> guessing no but
  900. [2018-03-17 18:49:43] <Anton{Politoed}> 4 16) Desert — 34 — 1.56% 17) Mountain — 32 — 1.47% 18) O. Rainbow — 4 — 0.18% 19) O. Sweets — 3 — 0.14%
  901. [2018-03-17 18:49:46] <Uniju> yoshis cookie from mkdd, magical flying sweets land from mario galaxy
  902. [2018-03-17 18:49:51] <Gabumon> 3I think a chunk of people liked luncheon kingdom
  903. [2018-03-17 18:49:55] <Gamefreak75> galaxy had food levels
  904. [2018-03-17 18:49:56] <smasher> nope!
  905. [2018-03-17 18:49:57] <Anton{Politoed}> 4they're bad people
  906. [2018-03-17 18:49:57] <__2257> 7galaxy had two of them
  907. [2018-03-17 18:50:06] <__2257> 7the cookie level and the 3rd mission of toy time
  908. [2018-03-17 18:50:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but
  909. [2018-03-17 18:50:20] <smasher> luncheon was ok
  910. [2018-03-17 18:50:22] <Baby_Luigi> But they're not really themes...are they?
  911. [2018-03-17 18:50:22] <turb> if the voters like food levels i can't argue with them
  912. [2018-03-17 18:50:27] <__2257> 7also mk8 had one and mk8d had another
  913. [2018-03-17 18:50:31] <Gamefreak75> 3d world had food levels too
  914. [2018-03-17 18:50:33] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Add "Food" to M13 Favorite Level Theme? (y/n/a)
  915. [2018-03-17 18:50:36] <turb> y
  916. [2018-03-17 18:50:38] <Baby_Luigi> a
  917. [2018-03-17 18:50:39] <__2257> 7a
  918. [2018-03-17 18:50:42] <smasher> one of the weaker ones but not terrible
  919. [2018-03-17 18:50:43] <Lakituthequick> actually
  920. [2018-03-17 18:50:44] <smasher> a
  921. [2018-03-17 18:50:44] <Lakituthequick> y
  922. [2018-03-17 18:50:51] <Gamefreak75> y
  923. [2018-03-17 18:50:52] <Lakituthequick> more food exists indeed
  924. [2018-03-17 18:50:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4y as a concept but fuck Luncheon Kingdom and everyone who enjoyed it
  925. [2018-03-17 18:51:02] <Gabumon> 3y
  926. [2018-03-17 18:51:05] <Gamefreak75> :(
  927. [2018-03-17 18:51:06] <Lord_Bowser> y
  928. [2018-03-17 18:51:10] <smasher> actually switch to y
  929. [2018-03-17 18:51:15] <NEXandGBX> :(
  930. [2018-03-17 18:51:17] <Lakituthequick> luncheon kingdom was okay
  931. [2018-03-17 18:51:19] <Lord_Bowser> nabber thought the luncheon kingdom lava was asm
  932. [2018-03-17 18:51:21] <Lord_Bowser> amsr
  933. [2018-03-17 18:51:22] <Lakituthequick> random, but okay
  934. [2018-03-17 18:51:24] <Lord_Bowser> asmr***
  935. [2018-03-17 18:51:26] <Anton{Politoed}> 4why was the food not fully rendered
  936. [2018-03-17 18:51:28] <__2257> 7how can lava be asmr
  937. [2018-03-17 18:51:29] <Baby_Luigi> My sister disliked the color palette
  938. [2018-03-17 18:51:30] <Anton{Politoed}> 4what was the pink slop
  939. [2018-03-17 18:51:33] <Lord_Bowser> the sound
  940. [2018-03-17 18:51:35] <Anton{Politoed}> 4why was this more of a lava level than food
  941. [2018-03-17 18:51:37] <smasher> 7-0-2
  942. [2018-03-17 18:51:38] <Gamefreak75> pink slime
  943. [2018-03-17 18:51:42] <__2257> 7asmr is too many things
  944. [2018-03-17 18:51:44] <GBAToad> y
  945. [2018-03-17 18:51:46] <Baby_Luigi> The color contrast looks terrible there
  946. [2018-03-17 18:51:48] <Gabumon> 3I would have liked it more had I know what things are supposed to be
  947. [2018-03-17 18:51:50] <Anton{Politoed}> 4why was that bird so much of a focus and why did I have to do anything with it twice
  948. [2018-03-17 18:51:51] <smasher> 8-0-2
  949. [2018-03-17 18:51:54] <Gabumon> 3what is the lava
  950. [2018-03-17 18:51:57] <Baby_Luigi> It vomits on you
  951. [2018-03-17 18:51:59] <GBAToad> sorry had to catch a train
  952. [2018-03-17 18:52:12] <Baby_Luigi> Cookatiel looks nothing like a cockatiel
  953. [2018-03-17 18:52:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it was a horribly executed food level and felt more rushed and wasted than anything
  954. [2018-03-17 18:52:23] <Lakituthequick> it's a pun(tm)
  955. [2018-03-17 18:52:24] <Gabumon> 3is the ground cake?
  956. [2018-03-17 18:52:31] <Anton{Politoed}> 4with Ruined Kingdom being a fucking disaster immediately after it
  957. [2018-03-17 18:52:34] <Gabumon> 3why is there cheese on it
  958. [2018-03-17 18:52:37] <Uniju> mixing food and lava themes wouldnt have been a bad idea if they made it tomato sauce and everything was pizza coloured instead of pastel
  959. [2018-03-17 18:52:45] <GBAToad> ^
  960. [2018-03-17 18:52:48] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yeah those tomato things were fucking cool
  961. [2018-03-17 18:52:49] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I loved those
  962. [2018-03-17 18:52:51] <GBAToad> molten cheese
  963. [2018-03-17 18:52:51] <Gabumon> 3yeah
  964. [2018-03-17 18:52:52] <GBAToad> fucking yeah
  965. [2018-03-17 18:52:56] <Baby_Luigi> The Pepto Bismol is there after you see its visuals
  966. [2018-03-17 18:52:57] <GBAToad> tomatos
  967. [2018-03-17 18:52:58] <Gabumon> 3pizza kingdom when
  968. [2018-03-17 18:53:05] <turb> the tomatoes were great
  969. [2018-03-17 18:53:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so Food is added
  970. [2018-03-17 18:53:07] <GBAToad> oh my god it is pepto bismol
  971. [2018-03-17 18:53:09] <GBAToad> fuck
  972. [2018-03-17 18:53:12] <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's no room for anything else so unless people want removals
  973. [2018-03-17 18:53:17] <turb> pepto bismol on fire
  974. [2018-03-17 18:53:17] <__2257> 7well, in japanese its name isnt a reference to any specific bird
  975. [2018-03-17 18:53:18] <Gamefreak75> after pasta kingdom
  976. [2018-03-17 18:53:22] <Lakituthequick> pizza kingdom
  977. [2018-03-17 18:53:29] <Lakituthequick> now eating monday
  978. [2018-03-17 18:53:29] <GBAToad> vinny kingdom
  979. [2018-03-17 18:53:33] <turb> should it be food/sweets or does food already encompass sweets
  980. [2018-03-17 18:53:41] <GBAToad> warioland kingdom fucking when
  981. [2018-03-17 18:53:41] <turb> i mean you'd also think space encompasses moon but
  982. [2018-03-17 18:53:42] <turb> _
  983. [2018-03-17 18:53:50] <Anton{Politoed}> 4we could add sweets for clarity
  984. [2018-03-17 18:53:52] <turb> more clarification isn't a problem with me
  985. [2018-03-17 18:53:57] <Anton{Politoed}> 4if other people don't mind
  986. [2018-03-17 18:54:00] <GBAToad> Food/Sweets
  987. [2018-03-17 18:54:01] <Lakituthequick> so like
  988. [2018-03-17 18:54:02] <GBAToad> ?
  989. [2018-03-17 18:54:03] <turb> it's more just "what will jog voters' memories"
  990. [2018-03-17 18:54:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4likewise with moon to space
  991. [2018-03-17 18:54:05] <Lakituthequick> Food/Sweets
  992. [2018-03-17 18:54:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4like there's already "Snow/Ice"
  993. [2018-03-17 18:54:10] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yes
  994. [2018-03-17 18:54:10] <Gamefreak75> yeah thats fine
  995. [2018-03-17 18:54:11] <turb> Food/Sweets, Space/Moon
  996. [2018-03-17 18:54:12] <turb> yeah
  997. [2018-03-17 18:54:13] <GBAToad> yeah
  998. [2018-03-17 18:54:16] <smasher> im fine with this
  999. [2018-03-17 18:54:17] <Baby_Luigi> okay
  1000. [2018-03-17 18:54:23] <Lord_Bowser> sure
  1001. [2018-03-17 18:54:24] <Lakituthequick> seems fine yeah
  1002. [2018-03-17 18:54:28] <NEXandGBX> seems fine
  1003. [2018-03-17 18:54:40] <turb> clarification subtitles are now noggin joggers
  1004. [2018-03-17 18:54:54] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Fire/Lava ?
  1005. [2018-03-17 18:54:57] <turb> sure
  1006. [2018-03-17 18:55:08] <Lakituthequick> yes
  1007. [2018-03-17 18:55:16] <Baby_Luigi> Water/Ocean
  1008. [2018-03-17 18:55:21] <GBAToad> Fire/Lava/turbs mixtape
  1009. [2018-03-17 18:55:38] <turb> good post
  1010. [2018-03-17 18:55:56] <Lakituthequick> water already encompasses ocean though
  1011. [2018-03-17 18:55:57] <Anton{Politoed}> 4anything else with M13?
  1012. [2018-03-17 18:55:58] <NEXandGBX> good one
  1013. [2018-03-17 18:56:12] <Gabumon> 3which was the weakest nominee, votes-wise
  1014. [2018-03-17 18:56:15] <Lakituthequick> i'm too tired to get the mixtape joke atm
  1015. [2018-03-17 18:56:29] <Lakituthequick> remind me to laugh tomorrow
  1016. [2018-03-17 18:56:34] <Gamefreak75> mountain i think
  1017. [2018-03-17 18:56:35] <NEXandGBX> water/ocean is definitely more redundant than like space/moon and food/sweets
  1018. [2018-03-17 18:56:39] <Anton{Politoed}> 4 12) Sky — 105 — 4.81% 13) Fire — 50 — 2.29% 13) Underwater — 50 — 2.29% 15) Underground — 36 — 1.65% 16) Desert — 34 — 1.56% 17) Mountain — 32 — 1.47% 18) O. Rainbow — 4 — 0.18%
  1019. [2018-03-17 18:56:48] <Baby_Luigi> Fire/Lava sounds a bit too pedantic for my tastes
  1020. [2018-03-17 18:57:14] <NEXandGBX> 32's not terrible considering desert and underground are around the same range
  1021. [2018-03-17 18:57:18] <Gabumon> 3we could cut mountain for uh... "ruined"
  1022. [2018-03-17 18:57:18] <GBAToad> yeah actually lava has usually been the go-to for me
  1023. [2018-03-17 18:57:28] <GBAToad> are there any actual pure fire levels
  1024. [2018-03-17 18:57:38] <GBAToad> water/beach
  1025. [2018-03-17 18:57:53] <GBAToad> would be a better distinction possibly?
  1026. [2018-03-17 18:57:56] <Anton{Politoed}> 4are there more ruined stages
  1027. [2018-03-17 18:58:05] <NEXandGBX> beach is already its own separate one so _
  1028. [2018-03-17 18:58:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's already Underwater and then also Beach
  1029. [2018-03-17 18:58:07] <GBAToad> unless beach is already separate
  1030. [2018-03-17 18:58:10] <GBAToad> oknyeah
  1031. [2018-03-17 18:58:22] <Gabumon> 3not really, does there have to be
  1032. [2018-03-17 18:58:33] <Gabumon> 3actually I guess
  1033. [2018-03-17 18:58:39] <GBAToad> this reminds me of that post with the two different types of water text
  1034. [2018-03-17 18:58:41] <Gabumon> 3if you get suuuuuuper technical
  1035. [2018-03-17 18:58:43] <Anton{Politoed}> 4idk, for my personal vote I'd like there to be because Ruined Kingdom literally made me hate Odyssey
  1036. [2018-03-17 18:58:44] <GBAToad> water and w a t e r
  1037. [2018-03-17 18:58:47] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but as a concept, _
  1038. [2018-03-17 18:58:57] <Gabumon> 3maybe the thing that happens to sammer kingdom could count as "ruined"
  1039. [2018-03-17 18:58:58] <NEXandGBX> water and aesthetic water
  1040. [2018-03-17 18:59:11] <GBAToad> Aesthetic theme when
  1041. [2018-03-17 18:59:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4seeing as this is a Favorite award I'd want to not literally hate a nominee that much
  1042. [2018-03-17 18:59:37] <smasher> did it ruin odyssey
  1043. [2018-03-17 18:59:41] <smasher> im so sorry
  1044. [2018-03-17 18:59:45] <NEXandGBX> i'd love to see them expand on the ruined kingdom concept
  1045. [2018-03-17 18:59:49] <Baby_Luigi> It's a ruined Kingdom
  1046. [2018-03-17 18:59:56] <Baby_Luigi> Ruined by devs
  1047. [2018-03-17 19:00:04] <GBAToad> rename to
  1048. [2018-03-17 19:00:10] <GBAToad> Ruined Opportunities
  1049. [2018-03-17 19:00:12] <__2257> 7dry dry ruins
  1050. [2018-03-17 19:00:13] <Gabumon> 3I mean, we're not voting on the level itself
  1051. [2018-03-17 19:00:15] <Gabumon> 3just the theme
  1052. [2018-03-17 19:00:16] <Anton{Politoed}> 4time is up so let's finish up this discussion at least
  1053. [2018-03-17 19:00:17] <GBAToad> instead of missed
  1054. [2018-03-17 19:00:22] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and yeah it's the theme as a concept
  1055. [2018-03-17 19:00:29] <GBAToad> aaaa but anton i didnt finish my test
  1056. [2018-03-17 19:00:32] <Baby_Luigi> Technically, the level is part of the theme
  1057. [2018-03-17 19:00:41] <Baby_Luigi> So I think all factors should be taken into account
  1058. [2018-03-17 19:00:45] <smasher> i dont know if its needed
  1059. [2018-03-17 19:00:51] <Baby_Luigi> Including its disappointment to be bigger than it is
  1060. [2018-03-17 19:00:59] <Anton{Politoed}> 4what are specific Mountain levels
  1061. [2018-03-17 19:01:06] <Gabumon> 3I dont know like
  1062. [2018-03-17 19:01:09] <Baby_Luigi> Tall Tall Mountain
  1063. [2018-03-17 19:01:19] <Gabumon> 3if we examine why we dislike the ruined kingdom that was given to us
  1064. [2018-03-17 19:01:25] <Lakituthequick> NSMB and NSMBWii had world 6
  1065. [2018-03-17 19:01:32] <Lakituthequick> entirely mountain mostly
  1066. [2018-03-17 19:01:33] <Gabumon> 3its because we liked the theme and are disappointed so little was done with it
  1067. [2018-03-17 19:01:39] <Baby_Luigi> Mario Kart had Choco Mountain, DK Pass, etc.
  1068. [2018-03-17 19:01:46] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok
  1069. [2018-03-17 19:02:00] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I understand edo's point though so it's a valid consideration
  1070. [2018-03-17 19:02:04] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so I'll put this up
  1071. [2018-03-17 19:02:06] <Gabumon> 3so like, our disdain literally originates from our appreciation for the theme
  1072. [2018-03-17 19:02:13] <Gabumon> 3I feel like that makes it validf
  1073. [2018-03-17 19:02:15] <Gabumon> 3valid
  1074. [2018-03-17 19:02:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Vote: Swap out "Mountain" to replace with "Ruins" (name tbd?) for M13? (y/n/a)
  1075. [2018-03-17 19:02:50] <NEXandGBX> a
  1076. [2018-03-17 19:02:55] <Baby_Luigi> n
  1077. [2018-03-17 19:02:57] <Gabumon> 3y
  1078. [2018-03-17 19:03:02] <Lakituthequick> those two can't really be compared
  1079. [2018-03-17 19:03:06] <turb> if its Ruins I think thta makes a lot more things than just ruined kingdom applicable
  1080. [2018-03-17 19:03:17] <Baby_Luigi> Are there any other ruins levels?
  1081. [2018-03-17 19:03:20] <turb> oh 22 said dry dry ruins
  1082. [2018-03-17 19:03:22] <smasher> a
  1083. [2018-03-17 19:03:25] <Baby_Luigi> Oh yeah I remember
  1084. [2018-03-17 19:03:26] <Gamefreak75> is there going to be an odyssey costume suggestions thread after the meeting
  1085. [2018-03-17 19:03:27] <Gamefreak75> y
  1086. [2018-03-17 19:03:28] <Baby_Luigi> But aside from that..?
  1087. [2018-03-17 19:03:30] <Lord_Bowser> a
  1088. [2018-03-17 19:03:33] <turb> there have definitely been assorted ruins levels in like 3d world and land and stuff
  1089. [2018-03-17 19:03:37] <turb> shifting sand land pyramid
  1090. [2018-03-17 19:03:38] <smasher> 2-1-3
  1091. [2018-03-17 19:03:40] <turb> anyway Y
  1092. [2018-03-17 19:03:45] <turb> before I yap on much longer
  1093. [2018-03-17 19:03:48] <smasher> 3-1-3
  1094. [2018-03-17 19:03:54] <Lakituthequick> a
  1095. [2018-03-17 19:04:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4 22:03   Gamefreak75 is there going to be an odyssey costume suggestions thread after the meeting
  1096. [2018-03-17 19:04:08] <__2257> 7there were ruins in wario land 3...?
  1097. [2018-03-17 19:04:12] <smasher> 30
  1098. [2018-03-17 19:04:15] <GBAToad> n
  1099. [2018-03-17 19:04:18] <smasher> no stop
  1100. [2018-03-17 19:04:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4yeah i'll gear that Odyssey thread toward costume after I close out the capture poll
  1101. [2018-03-17 19:04:22] <smasher> 3-2-4
  1102. [2018-03-17 19:04:25] <Baby_Luigi> Usually, ruins overlap, like Dry Dry Ruins overlaps with Desert
  1103. [2018-03-17 19:04:29] <Gamefreak75> ok
  1104. [2018-03-17 19:04:39] <__2257> 7oh and the ghost ship from mario world
  1105. [2018-03-17 19:04:49] <Lakituthequick> pyramids are mostly desert yeah
  1106. [2018-03-17 19:04:52] <smasher> this is kind of inconclusive
  1107. [2018-03-17 19:04:53] <Gamefreak75> clockork ruins
  1108. [2018-03-17 19:05:00] <Gamefreak75> in galaxy 2
  1109. [2018-03-17 19:05:09] <Gamefreak75> clockwork
  1110. [2018-03-17 19:05:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'll say Y for concept but that's still kind of inconclusive
  1111. [2018-03-17 19:05:26] <Gabumon> 3well by that logic, the ruined kingdom overlaps with castle
  1112. [2018-03-17 19:05:35] <smasher> 4-2-4
  1113. [2018-03-17 19:05:36] <Gabumon> 3but would you really call it a typical castle level?
  1114. [2018-03-17 19:05:38] <Baby_Luigi> Clockwork Ruins overlaps with jungle
  1115. [2018-03-17 19:05:51] <Baby_Luigi> No, but I wouldn't compare it to Dry Dry Ruins either
  1116. [2018-03-17 19:06:04] <Baby_Luigi> Which is a level clearly inside a desert
  1117. [2018-03-17 19:06:04] <turb> wheres the 4th y from
  1118. [2018-03-17 19:06:07] <Anton{Politoed}> 4if the Ys are comfortable letting this slide we can consider it a No Change
  1119. [2018-03-17 19:06:19] <turb> im not about to fight for it
  1120. [2018-03-17 19:06:19] <Gabumon> 3ok
  1121. [2018-03-17 19:06:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4or otherwise I can set this as a poll on the forum and try to get a full AC vote
  1122. [2018-03-17 19:06:35] <turb> i agree with edo's point entirely but i don't feel so strongly about it that i'll fight to the death for it
  1123. [2018-03-17 19:07:05] <Gabumon> 3I think it would be a cool addition, but if nobody else feels that way I'll drop it
  1124. [2018-03-17 19:07:23] <Baby_Luigi> I think it's made an impression in pretty much only Odyssey tbh
  1125. [2018-03-17 19:07:28] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so yeah i'll consider this a No Change but keep in mind we do come back to each award at least one more time in a full review, so it could be brought up again then if mind's change
  1126. [2018-03-17 19:07:29] <Lakituthequick> it's a cool addition sure, but not as replacement for mountains
  1127. [2018-03-17 19:07:30] <Gabumon> 3I liked the aesthetic a lot
  1128. [2018-03-17 19:07:42] <Anton{Politoed}> 4-'
  1129. [2018-03-17 19:07:53] <NEXandGBX> it's a great level theme that we haven't seen a whole lot of
  1130. [2018-03-17 19:08:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so to sum up what will happen after this meeting comes to a close
  1131. [2018-03-17 19:08:12] <Baby_Luigi> I don't think it ever had worlds dedicated to it
  1132. [2018-03-17 19:08:20] <smasher> ive decided to retroacively switch to n anyway
  1133. [2018-03-17 19:08:38] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Continuing discussion on the forum for M9 re: e-readers and SMM
  1134. [2018-03-17 19:08:40] <smasher> its a good theme btut it hasnt been used enough
  1135. [2018-03-17 19:08:53] <Baby_Luigi> Mountains is a major theme for Mario games, and I'm not keen on replacing it either
  1136. [2018-03-17 19:08:58] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Remove all non-Mario from level awards, which I can do myself
  1137. [2018-03-17 19:09:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Individual threads for each M5-7
  1138. [2018-03-17 19:09:40] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Gear the Odyssey thread towards working on a prospective Favorite Costume
  1139. [2018-03-17 19:09:55] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Work on nominees for Favorite Song
  1140. [2018-03-17 19:10:02] <Gamefreak75> i want to nominate like most tropical freeze levels tbh
  1141. [2018-03-17 19:10:06] <Anton{Politoed}> 4*Continue definitions
  1142. [2018-03-17 19:10:31] <smasher> were there any other nominee adds/removals i couldnt see btw
  1143. [2018-03-17 19:10:33] <Lakituthequick> for song there are currently nine already
  1144. [2018-03-17 19:10:36] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and then finally a reminder that next award is M14 Favorite Species, and there's a good amount from Odyssey to add in and consider
  1145. [2018-03-17 19:10:40] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> one thing anton
  1146. [2018-03-17 19:10:43] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so be prepared with opinion handy on that
  1147. [2018-03-17 19:10:44] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> this is a suggestion but
  1148. [2018-03-17 19:10:52] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> i feel like any wario and yoshi levels on the current 2d level award
  1149. [2018-03-17 19:11:00] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> should be automatically made nominees for the new wairo and yoshi level awardss
  1150. [2018-03-17 19:11:05] <Raiko_Chaorikawa> like, not needing an extra vote
  1151. [2018-03-17 19:11:06] <smasher> add them automatically yeah
  1152. [2018-03-17 19:11:11] <Lakituthequick> per
  1153. [2018-03-17 19:11:17] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that could be a consideration yeah, i'll lob that in the thread when I make it
  1154. [2018-03-17 19:11:21] <NEXandGBX> yeah
  1155. [2018-03-17 19:11:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but beyond that I believe this meeting is adjourned
  1156. [2018-03-17 19:11:39] * Anton{Politoed} 4thwacks a rubber chicken against a gong
  1157. [2018-03-17 19:11:51] <turb> :clap:
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