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  1. [20:57:33] <-- zephyrus (mibbit@gamesurge-bb33f681.static.digikabel.hu) has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  2. [21:01:14] --> nef (~nef@gamesurge-cb40211f.range86-182.btcentralplus.com) has joined #sourcemod
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  4. [21:06:44] <house2> Fyren: Heard about what happened here few minutes ago. I agree they're all shitbags, but they're shitbags nonetheless
  5. [21:08:54] <house2> AM is a great institution (if I may call it that) which I assume created those frameworks in order to make the community a better place. Regardless of licenses being violated, those shitbags scam people and profit using what alliedmods stands for
  6. [21:10:15] <house2> The vast majority of server ops blindly relies on that private sector that isn't controlled, selling products that are either already published or so bad they're dangerous to run and not worth the money
  7. [21:11:11] <house2> Instead of just not supporting private plugins one should go further and set a sign and ban known offenders, as every plugin coder has an am account which is his coding ID if you will and part of his reputation and credit
  8. [21:11:56] <Fyren> asherkin has spent some of his free time on a compiler modification for signing plugins.
  9. [21:12:22] <house2> what would that change on the current situation?
  10. [21:13:03] <house2> These people have reputation based on the people they successfully coned. It would help if there were an official statement addressing this
  11. [21:13:23] <Fyren> If people sign plugins, then random backdoored SMX file one guy says he got from other random guy, then we can show it was signed by random other guy.
  12. [21:14:38] <house2> From what I've been hearing and had to fix for others over the years intentionally placed backdoors are just the tip of the shitberg
  13. [21:15:16] <Fyren> I've only been paying attention to AM stuff a little recently, my idea of what happened in the past is no one provided real proof.
  14. [21:15:22] <house2> Theres an entire cleanup crew helping out people that have been scammed, fixing up the shit and installing working solutions for free
  15. [21:15:30] <Fyren> But "proof" is hard to provide in situations where everything is private communication.
  16. [21:15:41] <house2> I agree on that
  17. [21:16:11] <house2> I fully understand if that is the sole reason nothing has been done
  18. [21:16:30] <Fyren> So we end of up a Francisco hate squad that just starts spewing vitriol and trash everywhere.
  19. [21:16:37] <house2> But for a while the forum has pretty much been an anarchy
  20. [21:16:38] <Fyren> Making is less likely to listen to them.
  21. [21:17:05] <house2> He has been banned permanently once for evidently violating sm's license
  22. [21:17:20] <Fyren> While Francisco mostly seems to appear somewhere between slimy and normal in his communication.
  23. [21:17:38] <house2> So from the perspective of the "hate squad" hope is pretty non-existent at this point
  24. [21:18:01] <Fyren> I'm pretty sure if people fix their GPL violations we're pretty open to unbanning, if the same thing happens repeatedly we probably wouldn't be.
  25. [21:19:12] <house2> What is your stance on people using their forum account as an id, source of reputation to rip off people?
  26. [21:19:30] <Fyren> If people keep coming up and just saying "I paid a guy for X and it was not provided" since 'proof' is difficult what do you want besides us telling people to stop paying people they don't trust?
  27. [21:19:37] <Fyren> We're not going to start rating people on their scripting ability.
  28. [21:20:26] <house2> Over the 5 years I've been hear francisco has been the only one with multiple complaints from former clients popping up on the OT forum
  29. [21:20:42] <house2> correct me if Im wrong, but the presence is definitely there
  30. [21:21:22] <Fyren> He's one of the few I've heard people complain about and I've hardly paid attention to AM stuff in the last few years till recently.
  31. [21:21:22] <house2> I thing what would help would be an official statement that private requests are under no circumstances supported and that a lot of drama and scamming probably happened
  32. [21:21:58] <house2> right now the hidden stance on the forum is "we tolerate private requests but don't want turnkey posts here"
  33. [21:22:36] <Fyren> There's not a magic number of complaints about someone we can't substantiate that someone surpasses and then we condemn them.
  34. [21:23:02] <house2> There should be a baseline and everything above makes something more and more suspicious
  35. [21:24:14] <Fyren> And then what?
  36. [21:24:16] <house2> I look at some of his responses on the forum, check out his twitter and I'm convinced enough something is going on or at least find his behavior extraordinarily suspicious
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  38. [21:24:50] <house2> Realize that theres something cooking
  39. [21:24:58] <PLX> Hi
  40. [21:25:17] <house2> I would like there to be an official statement warning about private requests without naming names
  41. [21:25:41] <house2> And I would like to know what kind of proof for whatever wrongdoings would be needed to get rid of that kind of warts
  42. [21:26:12] <house2> Personally I find the drama itself on the forum intolerable
  43. [21:26:19] <house2> And my title says I have a high tolerance
  44. [21:27:17] <house2> I dont care about the github drama between some coders
  45. [21:27:21] <house2> theyre all shady at best
  46. [21:27:48] <house2> I care about people that are actual victims
  47. [21:31:45] <house2> btw this is also weird http://memegenerator.net/Franug
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  49. [21:33:01] <house2> also if I am not mistaken he was actually involved with cola-team a non-steam community, whose website he even linked on his AM profile has his homepage until the duck asked him to remove it (or he removed it himself)
  50. [21:33:52] --> Python1320 (~Python132@gamesurge-81015974.tunnel.tserv24.sto1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #sourcemod
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  53. [21:34:54] <Fyren> I don't know what would be acceptable as proof and I doubt we can come up with any requirement for it.
  54. [21:36:58] <house2> http://cola-team.es/foro/showthread.php?tid=225
  55. [21:40:12] <hams> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=276683 -- who can move this out of general and into scripting section?
  56. [21:41:26] <house2> are these the new traces or did the op copypaste it together?
  57. [21:41:49] <house2> I remember a PR using the word "blaming"
  58. [21:42:10] <Fyren> It's new.
  59. [21:42:37] <Fyren> The stack trace is from 1.7, the blame line is from last month.
  60. [21:42:55] <Fyren> If you want the parentheses removed, you should complain to VoiDeD.
  61. [21:43:02] <Fyren> Because he never filed the PR to fix it.
  62. [21:43:37] <Fyren> Or maybe I just modified the blame line, I don't remember.
  63. [21:44:04] <KyleS> p. sure VoiDeD had to do some stylistic change because it already landed
  64. [21:44:11] <Fyren> The issue was there were certain errors that pre-1.7 never reported and certain errors that don't have a stack, the combination of the two resulted in a useless message.
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  67. [21:47:01] <Fyren> KyleS: https://github.com/alliedmodders/sourcemod/blob/master/core/logic/DebugReporter.cpp#L188
  68. [21:47:24] <KyleS> si
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  72. [21:47:39] <Fyren> I told him to file a PR if he wanted to fix it.
  73. [21:47:51] <Fyren> I am a busy man and do not have the time to remove parentheses myself.
  74. [21:48:04] <MorgyN> so busy
  75. [21:48:26] <house2> you need a pra
  76. [21:48:36] <house2> parentheses removal assistant
  77. [21:48:55] <KyleS> I kind of like them, they're a good reminder that two bytes can make all the difference.
  78. [21:49:28] --> NoFaTe (~NoFaTe@gamesurge-b75aa335.emulatornexus.com) has joined #sourcemod
  79. [22:05:10] <house2> oh look a backdoor https://github.com/Franc1sco/UEA-jailplugins/blob/92ca2594f29577bc2c61ff7f22bc3e4f4d3a4607/franug/ar.sp#L181
  80. [22:07:21] --> Marshmallow__ (~Marshmall@gamesurge-4c872f8d.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #sourcemod
  81. [22:07:45] <house2> funny, one of the three alts he checks for in that plugin is vac banned
  82. [22:09:20] <Bara> or https://github.com/Franc1sco/UEA-jailplugins/blob/92ca2594f29577bc2c61ff7f22bc3e4f4d3a4607/franug/ar.sp#L58
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