derrick - Today at 12:02 AM
I may have asked it wrong... I am used to there being a main as I do simple game programming... Being able to iterate time or have the main check your object or list versus some time that should happen in the future
What is the equivalent of main within ACE
I am at the point of applying spell effects to targets and trying to get them to expire properly

OptimShi - Today at 12:04 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ElonMad1
ElonWink1

derrick - Today at 12:04 AM
lol
will do some digging into the code

Rawaho - Today at 12:06 AM
Every world object has an update method with the last server tick, you want to decrement the tick from the remaining time of the spell effect every update
ACE1

derrick - Today at 12:06 AM
Thanks Rawaho, I will look into that!

floater - Today at 1:37 AM
no idea how ACE code is laid out but typically better to set an expiration time, rather than constantly decrementing a value
if (GetCurrentTime() >= _expirationTime)

Ripley - Today at 1:38 AM
i went that route for the generator queue

floater - Today at 1:38 AM
the "time" value is a real thing too, a double value, shared with the client
the same one that controls the seasons
err
time of day rather
lil things may not seem like much but can add up i assume
if (GetCurrentTime() >= (_startTime + interval)) is obviously slower than just doing a one time _endTime = _startTime + interval;    if (GetCurrentTime() >= _endTime)
but if that level of granularity matters the project has bigger issues haha
i just generally do things that way just because
sometimes i dont when there are scenarios that the interval might be dynamic

Rawaho - Today at 1:41 AM
Decermenting a value is ALOT quicker then constantly querying the server time

Ripley - Today at 1:41 AM
there's likely an issue with the main loop tbh, going through an spawning a town full of generators can cause the client to be "frozen"

Rawaho - Today at 1:41 AM
DateTime.Now isn't quick

floater - Today at 1:41 AM
the server time is a double value stored in memory
not a system pull of the time

Rawaho - Today at 1:42 AM
ACE doesn't use that value for updates
But it could be changed to do so

floater - Today at 1:42 AM
any game should always have some sort of floating point time variable

Rawaho - Today at 1:42 AM
That is what the server tick is

floater - Today at 1:42 AM
if ACE doesnt have one it should get one
not just a delta, an actual time value

Rawaho - Today at 1:43 AM
It's not really needed if you have the last tick

floater - Today at 1:43 AM
the time can be pulled once per tick, generally speaking at least, and the value stored as a floating point

Rawaho - Today at 1:44 AM
ACE pulls the current time at the start of a world update and calculates the delta, the actual time value is discarded at that point

floater - Today at 1:45 AM
it kind of is needed... sort of silly to explain why, but try finding a game code that doesnt reference a global game time variable, it doesn't exist
there are even parts of the AC code that are designed specifically to triggers at certain times
delta wont give you that
furthermore
weenies store time variables
not deltas

Rawaho - Today at 1:46 AM
Well if you need an event to trigger at a certain time you just calculate the time till that event and still just decrement from the delta
In such case the calculation only needs to be done once(edited)

floater - Today at 1:46 AM
so if you have a million objects all decrementing memory every tick you dont think thats bad?
when its unnecessary?

Rawaho - Today at 1:46 AM
It's not

floater - Today at 1:46 AM
it is...

Rawaho - Today at 1:47 AM
At most a single server tick will only have a few hundred objects to update
Not millions

floater - Today at 1:47 AM
this is a silly conversation
i hope you know that

Rawaho - Today at 1:48 AM
I know how game server performance works, I am not exactly a novice in the area

floater - Today at 1:48 AM
cool, make something better than PhatAC
physics took me two weeks
have fun
ill wait

Rawaho - Today at 1:48 AM
lol
I work on game servers that handle 40K plus players

floater - Today at 1:49 AM
and?

Rawaho - Today at 1:49 AM
My point is I understand how you need to optimise
I have physics on my private ACE fork ))
I have for 8+ months(edited)

floater - Today at 1:49 AM
no, you don't

Rawaho - Today at 1:50 AM
The Physics in AC isn't overly complicated, you aren't the only one to have implemented

floater - Today at 1:50 AM
my guess is you RE'd some of it
just like you made cachePwn as if looking at a few functions in phatAC in IDA is a big deal(edited)
then anonymously post reddit asking me to "comment"
your ego needs a check

Rawaho - Today at 1:51 AM
LOL
I know who that person is
It's not me

Ripley - Today at 1:51 AM
i'd agree with that tbh

floater - Today at 1:52 AM
the purpose of obfuscating cache.bin actually wasn't to stop someone from doing it, or i would have virtualized the code
it was to slow anyone down initially and/or prevent ACE from reversing it
because it took me less than 10 minutes to obfuscate things

Ripley - Today at 1:52 AM
:cry:
but we wanna play with the pretty data too..

floater - Today at 1:53 AM
there's the comment you wanted
you spent  hours to reverse something that took me 10 minutes
glad your time is less valuable than mine

Rawaho - Today at 1:53 AM
I only worked on CachePwn because someone told me ACE already had it and I didn't want to be left out
I did take a few hours
Maybe 5 or 6
Was a slow work day :stuck_out_tongue:

floater - Today at 1:53 AM
also, the largest contents of cache.bin is mostly public
voluntarily released

Rawaho - Today at 1:54 AM
Eh, I had fun working on it regardless

floater - Today at 1:54 AM
to a handful
good, we all should have fun
i dont taunt your projects though
so don't be an idiot
and act like you are hotshit
you are a nerd
i am a nerd
we are here to enjoy this
not to outnerd each other
damn this is #development my bad

Rawaho - Today at 1:56 AM
I never said I was trying to out do someone
If anything it's you that is thinks that you are the only one with the skills to RE the physics

floater - Today at 1:56 AM
checksum RE'd physics first

Rawaho - Today at 1:56 AM
I couldn't care who did it first, I only mentioned I had done it and you shot me down

floater - Today at 1:57 AM
then show your work
i dont doubt you reversed some of physics
and that said, you would know, physics entails more than just collisions
its animations, and everything else tied in

Rawaho - Today at 2:00 AM
There are actually people that have access to my work, I don't have any plans to release it publicly at this point
I don't really have anything to prove, I only work on AC emulation because it's something I enjoy(edited)
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Ripley - Today at 2:01 AM
:raised_hand: can i take a peek? :stuck_out_tongue:

Rawaho - Today at 2:02 AM
I never even played AC, I only found the game through Reddit when I decided to work on an emulator
HellsW̶r̶a̶t̶h̶ - Today at 2:02 AM
There's a community of people looking for something stable and extensible :wink:
The game means something totally different for you than it does for us. It's a lifetime passion for most here. I spent 17 years of my 28 in this game. ISO working server :ok_hand:
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ChosenOne - Today at 2:04 AM
Can’t believe I’m gonna agree with Hells on something...
:nauseated_face:
HellsW̶r̶a̶t̶h̶ - Today at 2:04 AM
we broke it. reality is dead.

floater - Today at 2:04 AM
just a little tip for anyone who might be trying to emulate physics
Morosity (Spazmodica) - Today at 2:04 AM
hey, i applaud anyone that has working physics for AC.  that takes  effort, brains, and a lot of creativity.

floater - Today at 2:04 AM
ive mentioned this privately to a few people
consider this to be a goal, it will allow you to focus on the steps necessary to really have physics: the goal should be to be able to spawn a monster, tell it to move somewhere (move to position, move to object commands), and have the server know exactly where the monster is in sync with where the client thinks it is
if you focus on stuff like the player itself, you're missing important things like that the animations themselves need to be part of physics implementation
Morosity (Spazmodica) - Today at 2:05 AM
baby steps.  :smiley:

floater - Today at 2:06 AM
so dont worry about players, worry about monsters
once you can do monsters
players are already done o.o
players are just autonomous monsters

Ripley - Today at 2:06 AM
or vendors even..
its all derived from the same weenietype

floater - Today at 2:07 AM
one problem with focusing on players is that, sure, you may be checking collisions to verify client movement i suppose, but ultimately, you are still relying on updates from the client
Morosity (Spazmodica) - Today at 2:07 AM
holy cow, im yellow now.  just noticed
ACE2

Ripley - Today at 2:07 AM
congrats :smiley:

ChosenOne - Today at 2:08 AM
It’s 2018 bro, we don’t look at each other by color.
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floater - Today at 2:21 AM
we look at each other by the content of our emulators?
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Ripley - Today at 2:23 AM
oh look.. another failed test.. :rolling_eyes: