[07:44]  Suno: the queue "mistake" gives you, in my opinion, a ton more leeway than just signing up for the wrong raid, we had the current-roster BWL meme up for days let alone the sign-ups, usually we do :45, for the first BWL run we didn't do it because it blindsided us, on top of healers(and especially shamans for their windfury) being extremely useful for progression, if it was an MC we'd likely have just dropped them both off.
as for the experience wow player meme, this is a semi-casual guild and half of these people are braindead, we're strict when it's something that's obviously been happening constantly but on the first one we've always given a little leeway.
also you misunderstood, the only two who weren't there(in my recollection) at :45, were the same that weren't there at :55.
regardless, if no experience wow player would make the queue mistake, then no experienced reader would make the wrong raid sign-up mistake, especially as we have a sign-up page with the dates & times plastered all over them + the current-roster which also specifies dates, and you weren't on it
[15:51]  Skaper: "the queue "mistake" gives you, in my opinion, a ton more leeway than just signing up for the wrong raid"
Well then this is the reasoning! :slight_smile: I disagree that it's a much lesser offense, but I am not the judge of this, and I respect that decision! I am just happy if there is a logical reasoning behind decisions.
And I also understand that it was the first BWL raid which is out of the ordinary, so other rules apply.

"regardless, if no experience wow player would make the queue mistake, then no experienced reader would make the wrong raid sign-up mistake, especially as we have a sign-up page with the dates & times plastered all over them + the current-roster which also specifies dates, and you weren't on it"
This is also something I completely agree with - and haven't denied anywhere in the process. It's actually exactly my argument - Both are "silly and stupid" mistakes that shouldn't happen. But where i think being late is the major offense, you think my mistake were the biggest. And Again, I disagree, but I am happy with there being a reasoning :)


I would still like to make a complaint about Jizzuus though. I do not believe someone with such a lack of empathy and unable to participate in simple discussions should be a part of a council. And this is before the fact that he just straight up went and ignored me after he himself told me I should write to him. And if he so even had something urgent comming up, he failed to apologize like a normal human being. Like, I would imagine (wild guess) that the players who were late were more in the alley of "sorry, I am stuck in queue, I didn't expect this" than in "Guys, I am 10minutes late, we can't start before I am there".
And just so I get my thoughts out aswell - I don't expect any formal action to be taken from this, I just hope it's something you (and the others) think of when dealing with Jizzuus, or if something similar happens with him.
[15:54]  Suno: i talked to him about ignoring you, he basically said he had to go after 10 minutes so i bitched to him about telling someone to speak to him with that limited amount of time without saying a word, told him he should've just said to PM you and you could talk tomorrow or to just ignore it, i assume he won't be doing it again, however bear in mind that you were being REALLY obnoxious with the constant questioning of our decisions during our first BWL run where tensions were already high due to the queues + the orb shit + the excitement for a new raid, etc. in the future don't press us so much when we're busy, not to excuse what jizzuus did.