[b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 who is this?
Infinity says:
 It's Airstrike - and before you ignore this conversation I have a proposal to make... we can either discuss it here or over the mic on vent in a private chat
 It's for the good of the community as a whole
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Tell me here, I am very busy dealing with something so small.
Infinity says:
 lol
 well, basically I work for a management consultancy where we turn around businesses that have come out of hard times, and I kind of liken my work to the situation where Orange Cosmos currently finds itself
 My proposal, and it is something that I offered to Kaz in the past (and he obviously didn't take up...)
 is to work with you to declutter the community and rebuild its foundations
 because as we discussed before, if even the rules aren't right, the foundations aren't there
 and without foundations the community can't grow
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Ok, what do you mean, by "Declutter" specifically.
 Like, re-new the community?
Infinity says:
 well, all sorts really
 yes and no
 the community has some good roots
 but needs to have the foundations rebuilt before it can grow by any significant amount
 so that means looking at the rules
 the server offering (game mods etc)
 what makes the server different to other ones
 why people should come here and not other large servers such as Ventmob
 Looking at how the server is structured
 all sorts really
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Darthkatzs would listen to that sort of proposal
 what you're asking, is pretty much stretching my position, alot.
 a lot*
Infinity says:
 well, what i would say is that you obviously want to make the community work
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Ofcourse.
Infinity says:
 and although i love an argument with people like Jord
 i know that he also has the heart of the community in mind
 so with your position
 and my experience
 I think that we could make a really good case to Darthkatz together
 on what sort of changes should be made for the better
 I mean, I love the server
 but it could be so much more, you know what i mean?
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Maybe.
 But I don't beleive
 Believe*
 a community should run off, just from an RP server
 I want the community to focus, a more, simple fun route
 making gamemodes and using downloaded gamemodes
 like GMR.
 TTT
 They're fun gamemodes.
 They require little-to-no rules.
Infinity says:
 i agree, but what i would say is that the foundations need to be there before that sort of change happens
 otherwise you risk trying to run before you can walk and falling over and hurting your knee
 I mean, you tell me, why do people come to Orange Cosmos? what is it known for?
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 For an RP gamemode or using GMR.
 Nothing more, nothing less.
Infinity says:
 exactly
 so to make it more than that, you have to get the RP gamemode right
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 There is a new OCRP: Serious coming out
 and I will
 put my foot down. with the work of some specifically picked admins
 to make the RP keep it's policy in being serious.
Infinity says:
 thats right
 but this is where you need to to ensure that the structure is right
 otherwise, when OCRP: Serious launches
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Right, and the server I am on
 is UNsrs
 I can't change that
 I can only enforce policies.
Infinity says:
 you risk destroying its chacnes of success
 but you can also create them
 there is no reason why people cannot put their thoughts forward
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 So, what should I do then, to keep the RP community, working as you say.
Infinity says:
 I would say that you need to go back to basics
 Speak to players
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 about?
Infinity says:
 find out what they like about the current setup, what they dont like
 and i bet that you will find some trends within those statements
 from there, you can start to craft a new structure
 I mean, a gaming server is like a business
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 So, simply: Listen to people, and follow the trends people do by the majority.
Infinity says:
 you have to give people a reason to buy/play
 this is a long conversation over the keyboard lol...
 yes, but that is only the start
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Ok, there's a flaw
Infinity says:
 from there, you need to look at where the server is compared to that
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 What if:
 That the trend is to rob the mayor, on the daily basis
Infinity says:
 well then you address that
 why do people just 'rob the mayor?'
 could there be more put into the gamemod to keep people busy?
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 for extra money, obviously
 The focus on the gamemode
 is:
 Making money to get a car
Infinity says:
 what would players like to see in the server
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 then make more money to craft and make guns
 then make even more money to invest on cars
 then get more money from weapons to use it in robberies
 then get in orgs to do more criminal activities
Infinity says:
 that's right, and doesn't that, if we are honest, sound a bit boring?
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 The only solution
 I put it
 is to have 2 types
 1 unsrs, for the current people
 and 1 serious
 for those who actually value RP
 Because you simply can't please everyone
 no matter what you do
Infinity says:
 yes, but the ones who play unserious
 may drift over to serious
 but you can please the majority
 which will attract more players who agree with the majority
 and then you will end up with a community of people who all agree with the majority
 and don't complain, don't make 'admin abuse' threats etc
 it all sounds very flowery, but it's basic commerce
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Hang on
 those who drift to unserious
Infinity says:
 give the majority what they want and you will build a sustainable community
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 From unserious*
 must abide to the serious rules
 or they won't last long
Infinity says:
 that's true
 but this is where the majority come from
 work with them and everyone will be happy
 that allows you to discourage the idiots from playing
 and you can replace them with people who actually want to be there
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 mmm
Infinity says:
 which builds a sustainable community
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 But then again
 I've said
 OCRP: Serious
 Will keep that policy
 and the current OCRP
 will avoid being serious
 I need to go ingame, so I can't read MSN.
Infinity says:
 true, but do you think at the moment that you would be able to sustain that community?
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 What do you think?
Infinity says:
 ok man
 Honestly? I think it would struggle. I don't think it would die or anything, but without a good base it wouldn't have anything to build up from
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 But you didn't give suggestions about keeping it stable
Infinity says:
 Oh... and I didn't say I was "close friends" with Darthkatz... I said that I got on with him and that he would see my point of view
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 You're claiming to give me advice, I am lending my ears.
Infinity says:
 Lol, I have given you loads...
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 I didn't tell darth that btw.
Infinity says:
 well he is saying that both of you said it
 ^0Bush: both are saying
Airstrike: well i think if you ask Haydn
^0Bush: that you said exactly that "you are a close friend of mine"

 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 Actually, all I said, "you was friends with darth", or along the lines of that
 I didn't say exactly close friends
 that was jord.
 I was paying attention to you, not at them.
Infinity says:
 fair enough, well he seems to think that you agreed with what Jord said
 anyway, I would love to help you build the community up, it is never easy over the keyboard
 we'll have to grab a mic chat in private about it sometime
 [b][c=3]H[/c][c=12]a[/c][c=3]y[/c][c=12]d[/c][c=3]n[/c][/b]  says:
 right
 maybe another time
Infinity says:
 sounds good